Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers]

Hi Mark,

Yes, I noticed the download snapshot, but having had your warning didn't
press it. Like most people, every improvement sourceforge make leaves me
more baffled!

If I get time, I will write a rexx sample script to download all files from
a directory from sourceforge into a subfolder in your download folder.  Not
sure how, I could use rexcurl, but perhaps one wouldn't want one of Mark's
utilities as a dependency for an ooRexx sample (although that might be a
good thing).  I could do it with ole & IE, but I'm not sure whether that
would work on Linux.  Do you have thoughts?

Jon






On 20 January 2014 00:11, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
> sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code
>> SVN repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing
>> of it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file
>> is downloaded using your web browser.
>>
>> Does that not work for you?
>>
>
> Jon,
>
> Yes that does work.  But, using decimalFormat  as an example.
>
> If you navigate through the tree to get to /incubator/decimalFormat, there
> are 4 files from Lee.  There is nothing to indicate to the user that you
> can download a file.  Nothing to indicate that if you click on a file you
> are then able to download it.  Plus, once you do know that, it is a little
> tedious to download them 1 by 1.
>
> However at the top of that page there is:
>
> Tree [r9856]  / 
> incubator
>  / 
> decimalFormat
>  /  Download Snapshot
>
>
> My assumption was that "Download Snapshot" would download all 4 files as a
> group.  Which would certainly be more convenient then clicking on each file
> one by one and downloading them individually.
>
> But, it doesn't.  Instead SourceForge takes 5 or 10 minutes to generate a
> 256 MB zip file that, if you do download and unzip, doesn't even contain a
> single decimalFormat file.
>
> As the person who argued to Mike that SourceForge was easy for people to
> use, I can't even think of where to start with an argument that this would
> be good for ooRexx users. ;-)
>
> Anyway, I'm not trying to dissuade you from putting your files in the
> incubator and giving out directions on hot to get them.  I think you should.
>
> Maybe we can get SourceForge to fix or enhance the "Download Snapshot" so
> that it works the way I would intuitively expect it to work.
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Mark Miesfeld]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:

>
> If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code
> SVN repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing
> of it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file
> is downloaded using your web browser.
>
> Does that not work for you?
>

Jon,

Yes that does work.  But, using decimalFormat  as an example.

If you navigate through the tree to get to /incubator/decimalFormat, there
are 4 files from Lee.  There is nothing to indicate to the user that you
can download a file.  Nothing to indicate that if you click on a file you
are then able to download it.  Plus, once you do know that, it is a little
tedious to download them 1 by 1.

However at the top of that page there is:

Tree [r9856]  /
incubator
 / 
decimalFormat
 / Download Snapshot


My assumption was that "Download Snapshot" would download all 4 files as a
group.  Which would certainly be more convenient then clicking on each file
one by one and downloading them individually.

But, it doesn't.  Instead SourceForge takes 5 or 10 minutes to generate a
256 MB zip file that, if you do download and unzip, doesn't even contain a
single decimalFormat file.

As the person who argued to Mike that SourceForge was easy for people to
use, I can't even think of where to start with an argument that this would
be good for ooRexx users. ;-)

Anyway, I'm not trying to dissuade you from putting your files in the
incubator and giving out directions on hot to get them.  I think you should.

Maybe we can get SourceForge to fix or enhance the "Download Snapshot" so
that it works the way I would intuitively expect it to work.

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers]

Hi Mark,

thanks for that.  I will pop the scripts in the incubator.

If you do not sign into sourceforge, but go to the project, select code SVN
repository and navigate to a particular file, so that you see a listing of
it, you can then click on the *download this file* link and the file is
downloaded using your web browser.

Does that not work for you?

I know you usually write back very quickly, but there is no hurry - bed
time here!

Jon


On 19 January 2014 17:49, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
> sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:
>
>>
>> However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier
>> to find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put
>> them there.
>>
>>
> Jon,
>
> I think it is perfectly acceptable for you to put them in the SVN
> repository.  I think the incubator is the best current place.
>
> Although, I would also be in favor of starting a new branch for user
> contributions.  I have thought about having a place for user contributions
> often, but not deeply.  By that I mean it has crossed my mind a lot but
> I've never gone to the effort of proposing it to the team or thinking about
> how to implement it
>
> If we had a branch in the repository for user contributions, and a
> developer willing to maintain a section in the Files downloads section for
> the contributions that would be ideal.
>
> When you browse the svn tree in the project there is a link called
> Shapshot, which I had assumed would give you a tar or zip file of just the
> current directory.  But, I just tried it to see how easy it would be for
> users to get something from the incubator.  I tried it with Lee's
> decimalFormat:
>
> Tree [r9855]  / 
> incubator
>  / 
> decimalFormat
>  /
> unfortunately, it took forever to create and produced a 256,784,919 byte
> file, which looks to be the entire repository.  I'm sure Mike would point
> out to me that this was hardly user friendly.  ;-)
>
> So we already have some stuff in the incubator that would make a good
> start towards a user contributions section.  I realize that Lee was a
> committer, but it's sort of a shame that his decimal formatter is not
> available to the casual user.
>
> Anyhow, I think the idea of accepting user contributions is worth talking
> about and maybe implementing.  But, as a committer, I think you can
> certainly set up something to make your utilities  easily available to
> ooRexx users, and you should go for it.
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Moving towards an ooRexx 4.2.0 release?

[Mark Miesfeld]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rick McGuire wrote:


> That sounds good to me.  Things have been really quiet on the beta lately,
> so I think it's time to spin a release candidate.
>
>
Okay.  I think I will create a new folder in the Files download, ooRexx
4.2.0 Release Candidate and put the Windows builds in it.  Then when David
has time, he can add the Linux builds to it and I'll announce the release
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>
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm not sure where others think we are in relation to doing the 4.2.0
>> release.  I'm finished with everything I feel strongly about being in the
>> release.
>>
>> Unless someone else has something they are still working on, or intend to
>> work on, I'm thinking maybe we should update all the packages on
>> SourceForge and call them the release candidate.  Then give it 10 days or 2
>> weeks and if no bugs are opened, do the release.
>>
>> Or ... ?
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Moving towards an ooRexx 4.2.0 release?

[Rick McGuire]

That sounds good to me.  Things have been really quiet on the beta lately,
so I think it's time to spin a release candidate.

Rick


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> Hi All,
>
> I'm not sure where others think we are in relation to doing the 4.2.0
> release.  I'm finished with everything I feel strongly about being in the
> release.
>
> Unless someone else has something they are still working on, or intend to
> work on, I'm thinking maybe we should update all the packages on
> SourceForge and call them the release candidate.  Then give it 10 days or 2
> weeks and if no bugs are opened, do the release.
>
> Or ... ?
>
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[Oorexx-devel] Moving towards an ooRexx 4.2.0 release?

[Mark Miesfeld]

Hi All,

I'm not sure where others think we are in relation to doing the 4.2.0
release.  I'm finished with everything I feel strongly about being in the
release.

Unless someone else has something they are still working on, or intend to
work on, I'm thinking maybe we should update all the packages on
SourceForge and call them the release candidate.  Then give it 10 days or 2
weeks and if no bugs are opened, do the release.

Or ... ?

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Mark Miesfeld]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:

>
> However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier to
> find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put
> them there.
>
>
Jon,

I think it is perfectly acceptable for you to put them in the SVN
repository.  I think the incubator is the best current place.

Although, I would also be in favor of starting a new branch for user
contributions.  I have thought about having a place for user contributions
often, but not deeply.  By that I mean it has crossed my mind a lot but
I've never gone to the effort of proposing it to the team or thinking about
how to implement it

If we had a branch in the repository for user contributions, and a
developer willing to maintain a section in the Files downloads section for
the contributions that would be ideal.

When you browse the svn tree in the project there is a link called
Shapshot, which I had assumed would give you a tar or zip file of just the
current directory.  But, I just tried it to see how easy it would be for
users to get something from the incubator.  I tried it with Lee's
decimalFormat:

Tree [r9855]  /
incubator
 / 
decimalFormat
 /
unfortunately, it took forever to create and produced a 256,784,919 byte
file, which looks to be the entire repository.  I'm sure Mike would point
out to me that this was hardly user friendly.  ;-)

So we already have some stuff in the incubator that would make a good start
towards a user contributions section.  I realize that Lee was a committer,
but it's sort of a shame that his decimal formatter is not available to the
casual user.

Anyhow, I think the idea of accepting user contributions is worth talking
about and maybe implementing.  But, as a committer, I think you can
certainly set up something to make your utilities  easily available to
ooRexx users, and you should go for it.

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[Oorexx-devel] Walter Pachl shared "Kedit Repository" with you

[Walter via Dropbox]

Walter's message:

"Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers' Kedit tools"

Click here to view Kedit Repository:
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers]

Hi Walter,

Thank you.  I would be happy with that and send them to you (off the list -
so that non-Kedit users are not forced to download them)

However, if it is OK to put them on the SVN I feel they would be easier to
find, so if it is possible I would prepend any necessary license and put
them there.

thanks,

Jon


On 19 January 2014 09:37, Walter Pachl  wrote:

> May I offer my dropbox to store them (and make them available to those who
> have the link)?
> Regards
> Walter
>
>  "Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers"  schrieb:
> > Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on.
> >
> > Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when
> > better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been
> > doing on ooDialog).  So several years ago, I let the site go.
> >
> > I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes
> > and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu.  It was freely
> > available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded
> and
> > used it.
> >
> > I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last
> available
> > version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives.
> >
> > The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use
> of
> > the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding
> > directives with white-space.
> >
> > I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be
> > appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is
> > somewhere more appropriate for it.
> >
> > Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has
> not
> > been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to
> it.
> >
> > If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license
> header.
> >
> > (I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would
> > like to do the same with)
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Jon
>
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Walter Pachl]

May I offer my dropbox to store them (and make them available to those who have 
the link)?
Regards
Walter 

 "Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers"  schrieb:
> Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on.
> 
> Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when
> better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been
> doing on ooDialog).  So several years ago, I let the site go.
> 
> I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes
> and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu.  It was freely
> available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded and
> used it.
> 
> I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last available
> version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives.
> 
> The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use of
> the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding
> directives with white-space.
> 
> I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be
> appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is
> somewhere more appropriate for it.
> 
> Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has not
> been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to it.
> 
> If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license header.
> 
> (I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would
> like to do the same with)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Jon


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[Oorexx-devel] Kedit utility - where to put it

[Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers]

Once I had a web-site with a few useful ooRexx things on.

Almost all of them got subsumed into the project or became obsolete when
better things came along (mainly thanks to the great work Mark has been
doing on ooDialog).  So several years ago, I let the site go.

I had a macro for Kedit on the site that allowed users to locate classes
and methods within ooRexx scripts from a popup menu.  It was freely
available code without a license and I know that some people downloaded and
used it.

I last did any maintenance on it about 7 years ago, and the last available
version did not cope with the newer ooRexx directives.

The examples just released with ooDialog guide also befuddled it by use of
the (syntactically legal but to me unexpected) practise of preceding
directives with white-space.

I have an updated version of this macro and I wonder if it would be
appropriate to put it in the sandbox, or incubator or whether there is
somewhere more appropriate for it.

Although the Kedit website has a spot for user-contributions, this has not
been maintained for a while now and it is not possible to add items to it.

If I do put it on the SVN, I assume it would need the usual license header.

(I also have a syntax completion macro for Kedit for ooRexx which I would
like to do the same with)

thanks,

Jon
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