Re: [osol-discuss] Recover data from disk with zfs

2011-02-22 Thread Orvar Korvar
When you created your zpool, you should have specified raidz1, which means 
ZFS allows one disc to crash without problems. If you have not specified 
raidz1, it means no discs are allowed to crash - if one disc crashes, your 
whole zpool is gone.

If you have configured raidz1 on your zpool and one disc crashes, you can 
simply swap that disc to a new one, and use the command resilver which means 
your zpool will automatically repair itself.

Google on zfs resilver
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Orvar Korvar
Thanks. Exactly the kind of info I wanted.

This means I have to buy a Xeon grade Sandy Bridge, which sucks. I would prefer 
a cheap i5/whatever.

AMD's new Bulldozer with graphics-on-die, does support ECC, but is not an 
option to me, because I want 3D graphics. Oracle is not supporting AMD cpus 
anymore, which means there will be no 3D graphics drivers for AMDs Bulldozer. I 
dont think anyone else will release Solaris 3D graphics drivers for AMD 
Bulldozer.

Maybe I should just discard the ECC ram thing and use normal RAM for my 
Sandybridge. :o(
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Gary Driggs
On Feb 22, 2011 Orvar Korvar wrote:
 This means I have to buy a Xeon grade Sandy Bridge, which sucks. I would 
 prefer a cheap i5/whatever.

Actually, the mobile core i5-2515E  i7-2715QE will allegedly include ECC RAM 
support so don't be surprised if some desktop class CPUs will also.

-Gary
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble

On 2/22/2011 6:00 AM, Gary Driggs wrote:

On Feb 22, 2011 Orvar Korvar wrote:

This means I have to buy a Xeon grade Sandy Bridge, which sucks. I would prefer 
a cheap i5/whatever.

Actually, the mobile core i5-2515E  i7-2715QE will allegedly include ECC RAM 
support so don't be surprised if some desktop class CPUs will also.

-Gary


I highly doubt Intel will do this. There's no technical reason not to, 
but it's a product-line differentiator for them. They could do it now, 
but don't, and I can't see any reason for them to change their behavior.


Remember that a i7 and a Xeon 5xxx are effectively identical CPUs (even 
today), except for the fact that the Xeons have an ECC-enabled Memory 
controller.




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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble

On 2/22/2011 4:04 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote:

Thanks. Exactly the kind of info I wanted.

This means I have to buy a Xeon grade Sandy Bridge, which sucks. I would prefer 
a cheap i5/whatever.

AMD's new Bulldozer with graphics-on-die, does support ECC, but is not an 
option to me, because I want 3D graphics. Oracle is not supporting AMD cpus 
anymore, which means there will be no 3D graphics drivers for AMDs Bulldozer. I 
dont think anyone else will release Solaris 3D graphics drivers for AMD 
Bulldozer.

Maybe I should just discard the ECC ram thing and use normal RAM for my 
Sandybridge. :o(


If you care about 3D, don't use the Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer on-die 
GPUs.  Get a add-in graphics card.  They're better supported all 
around.  Both AMD and (particularly) Nvidia have good Solaris drivers 
for most of their add-in card product line nowdays.


I can't speak officially for Oracle, but I don't see good support for 
even the integrated GPU in a Sandy Bridge as getting much traction (and 
support) from Oracle Solaris.  There's very little reason for Oracle to 
spend the time to add the support (after all, its not like Oracle sells 
Workstations anymore, and even their Solaris OEM agreements with people 
like HP are for servers, not desktops).




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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 02/22/11 07:47 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:
 If you care about 3D, don't use the Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer on-die GPUs.  
 Get
 a add-in graphics card.  They're better supported all around.  Both AMD and
 (particularly) Nvidia have good Solaris drivers for most of their add-in card
 product line nowdays.

No, mostly just nvidia.   For AMD/ATI we currently only just pass through the
open source 2D driver, without the support provided by the DRI driver in other
OS'es for Kernel Modesetting (KMS) or hardware acceleration.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble

On 2/22/2011 8:28 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

On 02/22/11 07:47 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:

If you care about 3D, don't use the Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer on-die GPUs.  Get
a add-in graphics card.  They're better supported all around.  Both AMD and
(particularly) Nvidia have good Solaris drivers for most of their add-in card
product line nowdays.

No, mostly just nvidia.   For AMD/ATI we currently only just pass through the
open source 2D driver, without the support provided by the DRI driver in other
OS'es for Kernel Modesetting (KMS) or hardware acceleration

Thanks for the correction, Alan.

I had thought we'd added support for KMS, but, obviously, you know 
better than I.


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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Gary Driggs


On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:

 On 2/22/2011 6:00 AM, Gary Driggs wrote:
 On Feb 22, 2011 Orvar Korvar wrote:
 This means I have to buy a Xeon grade Sandy Bridge, which sucks. I would 
 prefer a cheap i5/whatever.
 Actually, the mobile core i5-2515E  i7-2715QE will allegedly include ECC 
 RAM support so don't be surprised if some desktop class CPUs will also.
 
 -Gary
 
 I highly doubt Intel will do this. There's no technical reason not to, but 
 it's a product-line differentiator for them. They could do it now, but don't, 
 and I can't see any reason for them to change their behavior.
 
 Remember that a i7 and a Xeon 5xxx are effectively identical CPUs (even 
 today), except for the fact that the Xeons have an ECC-enabled Memory 
 controller.
 
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 02/22/11 08:46 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:
 On 2/22/2011 8:28 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
 On 02/22/11 07:47 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:
 If you care about 3D, don't use the Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer on-die GPUs.  
 Get
 a add-in graphics card.  They're better supported all around.  Both AMD and
 (particularly) Nvidia have good Solaris drivers for most of their add-in 
 card
 product line nowdays.
 No, mostly just nvidia.   For AMD/ATI we currently only just pass through the
 open source 2D driver, without the support provided by the DRI driver in 
 other
 OS'es for Kernel Modesetting (KMS) or hardware acceleration
 Thanks for the correction, Alan.
 
 I had thought we'd added support for KMS, but, obviously, you know better 
 than I.

Not for AMD/ATI.   KMS is work in progress for Intel graphics (a joint project
of Intel  Oracle, part of our ongoing partnership), but not yet integrated,
nor has any KMS support for anything but Intel graphics been done.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Gary
On Feb 22, 2011, Erik Trimble wrote:
 I highly doubt Intel will do this. There's no technical reason not to, but 
 it's a product-line differentiator for them.

Have a look  note that these are mobile procs, not desktop procs...

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54643code=i3-2310E
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54647code=i5-2515E
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54644code=i7-2715QE

-Gary
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Erik Trimble

On 2/22/2011 9:33 AM, Gary wrote:

On Feb 22, 2011, Erik Trimble wrote:

I highly doubt Intel will do this. There's no technical reason not to, but it's 
a product-line differentiator for them.

Have a look  note that these are mobile procs, not desktop procs...

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54643code=i3-2310E
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54647code=i5-2515E
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=54644code=i7-2715QE

-Gary


*Exactly* - mobile, not desktop.

You can't put these CPUs in a normal desktop motherboard (different 
socket).  These CPUs are specifically made for the mobile workstation 
laptop market.   Think of these as Xeon for Laptops.



Intel is the king of product differentiation. And, hairsplitting.  If 
there's some way of making a buck for any minor feature, Intel's on top 
of it. Consequently, TANSTAAFL with Intel - if you want ECC on the 
desktop, well, you buy a Xeon CPU. And pay for it.


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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Gary
I think it really matters what you're using it for. If you look around
on AMD's site you'll see some mention of ECC being important for
embedded applications now as well but I have to agree that most
desktop users aren't going to care one way or another...

Does either the Intel Core i7 processor or the Intel Core i5
processor family support Error Correction Code (ECC) memory?

Neither family of desktop processors supports ECC memory. Typically
ECC memory is used on servers and workstations rather than on desktop
platforms. This is due to the price premium and extremely low
likelihood of a data error occurring even on memory not utilizing
ECC.

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-029913.htm


ECC memory support for low end SOHO server applications and
applications requiring reliable data or minimum down time.

http://www.amd.com/pl/products/embedded/processors/Pages/socket-am3.aspx
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[osol-discuss] Firmware download Support For NIC

2011-02-22 Thread raghu
Hi All,

Some OS like Linux provide support for firmware file to be stored on disk. So 
that kernel driver module can access the Firmware file from filesystem and burn 
into flash. Is there similar mechanism in Solaris. Any documents and samples 
would be really helpful.

Regards
Raghu.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Another [OT] Hardware Post

2011-02-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Gary gdri...@gmail.com writes:

 Harry Putnam wrote:
 You can spend less with a dedicated predesigned commercial unit...
 Can you name a few?

 I didn't catch how many drives you said you needed. And was it this
 thread that I already responded to -- 

I'll use 8 drives if I want to use what I already have on a
dysfunctional zfs server 2@500 (ide [pata] 2@500sataII 2@750sata)

I expected to buy a pair of 1TB drives.  I've been running in a
mirrored setup so need 2X whatever drives I use.

I could buy bigger disks but of course, that would mean letting 6drives
I already have just set around. 

If I bought 4 2tb drives I'd have about the same capacity but it would
cost around $400 (or is it cheaper for 4 2tb drivs?)

One tempting thing about the Proliant Microserver N36L, It can be
gotten damned cheap if this is the one you mean:

 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=2190307#TS

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[osol-discuss] Would I be wasting my time with intel P4 3GBram (32bit)

2011-02-22 Thread Harry Putnam
I will soon have a pair of older P4 3.2 Ghz (32bit) (single core)
to put out to pasture.

Would I be wasting my time thinking of using one or both for zfs
fileserver, and sharespace to carry out video editing and other
Graphics From networked i7 running Win 7.
 

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