Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Are you the person who posted on the Cromium MLs about integrating patches? I'm trying to sort out if someone is actively working on a port or not. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
P.S. Just out of curiosity, I googled for opera financial model and on the 3rd hit down, found a page with the following: http://www.opera.com/company/investors/faq/#faq3 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
[...] > Alan, > > Didn't say if the source is publically available, I > mentioned if the source is maintained for portability > (i.e. non-Windows only in this case). > > Whatever the working relationship is between the > Opera team and the other parties is another subject. > > ~ Ken Mays Well, I doubt that anyone is going to pay Opera to make it work on Solaris, or for that matter to offer paid bodies to help make it work. (not that such things may or may not have happened before, but I'm guessing the present folks are more concerned with figuring out how to make Solaris pay for itself than with nice-to-have-but-sort-of-optional things like an additional choice of browsers) Perhaps suitably talented volunteers could approach Opera and offer to sign an NDA and use some sort of controlled VPN access or whatever to help work on it, but Opera would be entirely within their rights to say "no, thanks". -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
On 04/30/10 08:22 AM, Stefan Parvu wrote: With the right portability framework, it is sufficient to develop on Solaris and the code will work on Linux and FreeBSD also. True. However I dont see Opera's troubles caused by Oracle integration: support costs, etc but rather a more simplistic view: not enough interest. If they were interested enough they would have selected OSOL and start building on that. As well in past: Opera was not showing enough interest in Solaris , so main question would be how to keep them interested in our project and how to grow such things and engage with other communities. Thats the hard part. desktop volume drives desktop application vendor interest if not being helped by the lower volume platform's time/money. pretty simple business decision. as much as we would like to think otherwise, we are, in their minds, a niche player. rich stefan ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> With the right portability framework, it is sufficient to develop on Solaris > and the code will work on Linux and FreeBSD also. > True. However I dont see Opera's troubles caused by Oracle integration: support costs, etc but rather a more simplistic view: not enough interest. If they were interested enough they would have selected OSOL and start building on that. As well in past: Opera was not showing enough interest in Solaris , so main question would be how to keep them interested in our project and how to grow such things and engage with other communities. Thats the hard part. stefan ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
"Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: > > With the right portability framework, it is > > sufficient to develop on Solaris > > and the code will work on Linux and FreeBSD also. > > > > Jörg > > Many years ago, it certainly used to be much easier to > write something first (with some care) on Solaris, and > then port it to other platforms, rather than the other > way around. > > It would be good to see some of that again... I am doing it this way since a long time and it is still true for me. Spreading this information to developers would probably would being a lot of developers back to Solaris. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
There's a thread on Reddit.com about this issue. Up-vote if you want to increase other people's awareness of it. http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/byajn/think_oracles_purchase_of_sun_was_a_good_idea/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> Stefan Parvu wrote: > > > Opera, etc exactly do such things because of the > previous point, meaning they see > > very few interactions of OSOL with outside world. > For them porting and maintaining > > their application on OSOL/SOL is a waste since > nobody rewards them anyhow > > more they consider wasting time. OGB should take > such examples and drive/talk > > further with Oracle/Sun/etc what means keeping and > enlarging a community... > > With the right portability framework, it is > sufficient to develop on Solaris > and the code will work on Linux and FreeBSD also. > > Jörg Many years ago, it certainly used to be much easier to write something first (with some care) on Solaris, and then port it to other platforms, rather than the other way around. It would be good to see some of that again... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Stefan Parvu wrote: > Opera, etc exactly do such things because of the previous point, meaning they > see > very few interactions of OSOL with outside world. For them porting and > maintaining > their application on OSOL/SOL is a waste since nobody rewards them anyhow > more they consider wasting time. OGB should take such examples and drive/talk > further with Oracle/Sun/etc what means keeping and enlarging a community... With the right portability framework, it is sufficient to develop on Solaris and the code will work on Linux and FreeBSD also. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Ginn, Thanks for sharing this. Would be very valuable that Oracle/Sun team will encourage you to do this kind of work and dedicate you more space to make these things happen more often. This way we ensure OpenSolaris community is enlarging and communicate better with other projects/groups outside us. As well we should probable attract more users to do such things. Opera, etc exactly do such things because of the previous point, meaning they see very few interactions of OSOL with outside world. For them porting and maintaining their application on OSOL/SOL is a waste since nobody rewards them anyhow more they consider wasting time. OGB should take such examples and drive/talk further with Oracle/Sun/etc what means keeping and enlarging a community... Your port basically links our community to Google world and really means a lot to me. cheers -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> I've ported part of Chromium to Solaris. > The code of the part of Chromium is used in Firefox next release. > Also Webkit is ported to Solaris. > > But I don't have time or interest to port the whole Chromium at this time. I gave it a quick look when it was first released. I recall thinking I had fallen into one of the circles of hell when I tried to get it compiled on legacy Solaris. C'est la vie. -- Dennis Clarke dcla...@opensolaris.ca <- Email related to the open source Solaris dcla...@blastwave.org <- Email related to open source for Solaris ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
I've ported part of Chromium to Solaris. The code of the part of Chromium is used in Firefox next release. Also Webkit is ported to Solaris. But I don't have time or interest to port the whole Chromium at this time. Ginn On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Since Opera is fast and leaks memory less than Firefox, this stinks. > > Has anyone ported Chromium (the open source of Chrome) to Solaris? > That wouldn't do all the other stuff that Opera does, but it would make > an impressive browser. It _would_ do one thing that Opera does, namely > provide a rendering engine alternative to Firefox and Seamonkey. > WebKit does pretty well - I have very few times when I have to use > Firefox instead of Safari on my Mac. > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> > > http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-se > > > tting-sun > > > You know, one of the positive outcomes of the > Oracle/Sun acquisition is that one day, in the > not-too-distant future, journalists, blogsters, and > ordinary Joes with an axe to grind won't be able to > use the "settting Sun", or Sun set", or all the > myriad cute, clever, and used-to-death quips a > company with a name like Sun seemed to "inspire". No, it's not like you can't make remarks about Larry's oracular behavior... (actually, in the days of Apollo Computer, once Sun's workstation rival, it was worse - they had a publishing system called Delphi...) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-se > tting-sun You know, one of the positive outcomes of the Oracle/Sun acquisition is that one day, in the not-too-distant future, journalists, blogsters, and ordinary Joes with an axe to grind won't be able to use the "settting Sun", or Sun set", or all the myriad cute, clever, and used-to-death quips a company with a name like Sun seemed to "inspire". -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
> Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > > Has anyone ported Chromium (the open source of > Chrome) to Solaris? > > http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=301 > 01 Encouraging, thanks. Hope it happens... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Has anyone ported Chromium (the open source of Chrome) to Solaris? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30101 -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Since Opera is fast and leaks memory less than Firefox, this stinks. Has anyone ported Chromium (the open source of Chrome) to Solaris? That wouldn't do all the other stuff that Opera does, but it would make an impressive browser. It _would_ do one thing that Opera does, namely provide a rendering engine alternative to Firefox and Seamonkey. WebKit does pretty well - I have very few times when I have to use Firefox instead of Safari on my Mac. I don't personally use Opera, but perhaps the person earlier in the thread talking about zone support could run this in a branded Zone? Not ideal, perhaps, but if you're going to run this zoned then it may be an option. Hugh. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Since Opera is fast and leaks memory less than Firefox, this stinks. Has anyone ported Chromium (the open source of Chrome) to Solaris? That wouldn't do all the other stuff that Opera does, but it would make an impressive browser. It _would_ do one thing that Opera does, namely provide a rendering engine alternative to Firefox and Seamonkey. WebKit does pretty well - I have very few times when I have to use Firefox instead of Safari on my Mac. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:56:39 PDT, Anon Y Mous wrote: > We need to protest this loudly as a community because Opera is the only > web browser that makes it easy to browse the web from inside a Solaris zone > (for more secure web browsing). If you don't believe me just create a zone, > download the Opera SVR4 package, "pkgadd -d" it inside the zone, then ssh > -X into the zone and check what IP address you are browsing from. I would > imagine that any exploits run against the Opera browser would run in the > zone's chrooted environment. That doesn't really make sense, from a technical perspective. Any web browser works inside a zone. -Albert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
On 30/04/10 01:19 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: Nice wording in there: ... Linux or FreeBSD. These are the preferred UNIX-like environments of our development team... Basing such a decision by the preferences of internal dev teams is a clear and precise and logical business decision... ;-) OK, needed to offload that... ;-) Matthias You (Paul Griffith) wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:22 -0400, Peter Pauly wrote: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-setting-sun ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org :( I knew it was coming when I didn't any recent builds for Solaris. Time to move to Thunderbird to handle my RSS feeds, Evolution continues to handle my e-mail. I will continue to use Opera on Windows. Regards, Paul I don't use Opera but why would they drop support for a real UNIX OS in favour of UNIX-like OS's. Isn't that like deciding not to feed your grandma anymore because she is too old? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > From: Alan Coopersmith > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris > To: "ken mays" > Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, "Anon Y Mous" > > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 6:25 PM > ken mays wrote: > > I don't think this is really a problem. As long as > sources and portability is maintained for FreeBSD/Linux, > then a port to Oracle Solaris is not that hard for other > people to do. > > Since when does anyone else have access to the closed > source code > for Opera's browser? > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- > alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Alan, Didn't say if the source is publically available, I mentioned if the source is maintained for portability (i.e. non-Windows only in this case). Whatever the working relationship is between the Opera team and the other parties is another subject. ~ Ken Mays ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
ken mays wrote: > I don't think this is really a problem. As long as sources and portability is > maintained for FreeBSD/Linux, then a port to Oracle Solaris is not that hard > for other people to do. Since when does anyone else have access to the closed source code for Opera's browser? -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Anon Y Mous wrote: > From: Anon Y Mous > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 3:56 PM > We need to protest this loudly as a > community because Opera is the only web browser that makes > it easy to browse the web from inside a Solaris zone (for > more secure web browsing). If you don't believe me just > create a zone, download the Opera SVR4 package, "pkgadd -d" > it inside the zone, then ssh -X into the zone and check what > IP address you are browsing from. I would imagine that any > exploits run against the Opera browser would run in the > zone's chrooted environment. I don't think this is really a problem. As long as sources and portability is maintained for FreeBSD/Linux, then a port to Oracle Solaris is not that hard for other people to do. The memo seems more like "we will not provide primary support or compiled binaries of future Opera browser releases for Solaris/OpenSolaris". This no different than the Blender community which may support binary releases for only a certain platform and version of Oracle Solaris (i.e. Solaris 10 SPARC). This is where the community and Oracle's support for the smaller ISVs and organizations that port **ANY** software to Oracle Solaris/OpenSolaris become important to help sustain and grow the community. ~ Ken Mays ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
We need to protest this loudly as a community because Opera is the only web browser that makes it easy to browse the web from inside a Solaris zone (for more secure web browsing). If you don't believe me just create a zone, download the Opera SVR4 package, "pkgadd -d" it inside the zone, then ssh -X into the zone and check what IP address you are browsing from. I would imagine that any exploits run against the Opera browser would run in the zone's chrooted environment. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
On 29.04.2010 17:49, Matthias Pfützner wrote: > Nice wording in there: > > ... Linux or FreeBSD. These are the preferred UNIX-like environments of > our development team... > > Basing such a decision by the preferences of internal dev teams is a clear and > precise and logical business decision... ;-) > > OK, needed to offload that... ;-) > > Matthias I'm sure that wasn't the intention, and from the activity on the mailing lists, I "know you" better than that, but ... that sounds like a statement likely to come out of ... a metamorphorical rock... ;) //Svein -- +---+--- /"\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
Nice wording in there: ... Linux or FreeBSD. These are the preferred UNIX-like environments of our development team... Basing such a decision by the preferences of internal dev teams is a clear and precise and logical business decision... ;-) OK, needed to offload that... ;-) Matthias You (Paul Griffith) wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:22 -0400, Peter Pauly wrote: > > http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-setting-sun > > ___ > > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > > :( > > I knew it was coming when I didn't any recent builds for Solaris. Time > to move to Thunderbird to handle my RSS feeds, Evolution continues to > handle my e-mail. I will continue to use Opera on Windows. > > Regards, > Paul -- Matthias Pfützner| mailto:pfu...@germany | Das Auffallendste an Denk- @work: +49 6103 752-394 | @home: +49 6151 75717 | mälern ist, daß man sie SunCS, Ampèrestraße 6 | Lichtenbergstraße 73 | nicht bemerkt. 63225 Langen, FRG| 64289 Darmstadt, FRG | Robert Musil ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:22 -0400, Peter Pauly wrote: > http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-setting-sun > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org :( I knew it was coming when I didn't any recent builds for Solaris. Time to move to Thunderbird to handle my RSS feeds, Evolution continues to handle my e-mail. I will continue to use Opera on Windows. Regards, Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Opera drops browser support for Solaris
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/04/29/the-setting-sun ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
