Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Peter Nikolic
On Monday 13 November 2006 20:09, Peter Van Lone wrote:
> On 11/11/06, Peter Nikolic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> > What is with all this darn HTML formatted crap  hey people this is NOT
> > WINDBLOWS   cut the HTML  scribble  and get back tp proper  PLAINT text
> > emails   Shee  ..
>
> and how about trimming the crap from replies before you send?
>
> I get "bottom posting" and "in line" posting, mostly ... but as I
> access these emails very often from a mobile device, having 100 or
> more lines of useless junk to scroll past before I get to a reply is
>  a waste of my time and bandwidth. It is a waste of time on a
> "regular" device, as well ... but ever worse on a mobile.
>
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Re: [opensuse] Email signature command execution help

2006-11-14 Thread houghi
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:48:39AM -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
> On 2006-11-13 22:57, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >
> >
> > It doesn't cache the sig file. You can write a new one, put its name
> > in the Attach this Signature box, pretend to write a new message and
> > the new sig will be at the bottom on the msg.
> 
> So, apart from the cosmetics, using a named pipe as the signature file
> and overwriting the signature are identical. OK, Hylton has two methods
> now to get what he wants in his signature :-)

Yes. But cron will do it each time interval (e.g. each minute) even if it
is not needed. This means if you send two mails within that minute, you
have the same signature. If you don't send an email, there is unneeded
activity.

With fifo you will only get a new signature when there is a request.

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[opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
Hello. I already learnt that:

$ ls > result.txt
will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt

Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
the same time?

$ ls > result1.txt > result2.txt

Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt

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Re: [opensuse] `does dd and usb floppy work?

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing
if u mean by usb flobby devices the flash drives, I tried SUSE with many 
flash sticks, and SUSE detected them automatically.


Regards,...

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RutePoint wrote:

has anyone successfully used dd with usb based floppy devices?

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread houghi
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:45:57AM +0545, Prajjwal Devkota wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have been evaluating Fedora Core 5 (customising wherever necessary)
> for use in my organisation.  However, recently, I have been looking at
> OpenSuse as well, and it seems to be very user friendly.  However, there
> are the 5 cds to use, and I am still just beginning with OpenSuse.

Actualy there are 6 CDs to use (or 1 DVD)

> Thats why I would like to know a few things if you could help me out:
> * How well does wine run: which version is it?  I am talking about
> packaged rpms of course.  I did try on suse 9.3: their own packaged
> version seemed to be a bit old, and the version I compiled by
> downloading from winehq did not work well with ies4linux configuration.

I do not use wine, but I do know that 9.3 is pretty old. 10.1 is much more
recent.

> * Has anyone tried to create customised installation cds for OpenSuse?

Yes. http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs and
http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution

> I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch of rpms from extras,
> livna, and a few of my own rpms. 

use the -a option in makeSUSEdvd

> That feature is useful, but not
> essential.  However, being able to do a network install (a local network
> install, not from the official mirrors).  I am sure that Suse should
> support that, I still have to RTFM, so if you have any quickstart tips,
> I would be happy to hear them.

Well, RTFM first, then boot from the Net Boot Image: http://openSUSE.org

> Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> Regards,
> Prajjwal
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Disclaimers like this are useless. I can not recieve anything in error.
All that I recieve was send to me on purpose. If it contains any
confidential information then it is up to you to keep it that way. The
moment I recieve it, it isn't confidential anymore.

So how do we know this message is official business of UMN? I asume it is.

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Re: [opensuse] Games Repository

2006-11-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2006-11-14 01:12, Kostas Georgokitsos wrote:
> Hiall,
>
> I am using smart and I was trying to upgrade the frozen-bubble game to it's 
> 
> http://software.opensuse.org/download/games/SUSE_Linux_10.1/repodata/repomd.xml
>   

Because that URL no longer exists. Take a look at the changed structure
at http://software.opensuse.org/download/games/ -- there are several
repositories there now, one for each type of game, eg. strategy, RPG, etc.

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Re: [opensuse] Update SUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2006-11-14 01:52, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
> On 2006-11-14 01:27, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
>   
>> Hi,...
>>
>> What I need is the address of repositories that I can use to update
>> SUSE. where I can these repositories?
>>
>> 
> 
>   
I forgot to mention the repositories where you can upgrade to a new
version of many packages, at
http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/. One small glitch
with these is, you need to add a source for each application, eg. if you
want to upgrade both KDE and Gnome, then you need to add both
repositories. That can get pretty messy in your installation sources
list, if you want to keep up-to-date on many applications.


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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Dominique Leuenberger


 >>> Reply on 14-11-2006 10:13:02 <<<> Hello. I already learnt that:> > $ ls > result.txt> will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt> > Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a> the same time?> > $ ls > result1.txt > result2.txt> > Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt> 
Hi,
 
I think the command 'tee' might be an interesting case fir you.
 
Try
ls | tee result1.txt result2.txt
or, if you don't want screen output, you could do
ls | tee result1.txt > result2.txt
 
Regards,
Dominique


Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread JB
On Monday 13 November 2006 14:08, David Canar wrote: 

  Nothing worth reading other than his own whining about something that *ALL* 
SuSE users are concerned about in one way or another and have just as much 
right as he does to express their opinions/views/actions about.

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 11:19:04AM -0800, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 23:14 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
> > On Friday 10 November 2006 23:02, Basil Chupin wrote:
> > >  So what's happened since "we" got migrated?
> > 
> > I'm guessing Henne hasn't had time to figure all the 
> > new stuff out while migrating all the lists.
> > 
> > As I understand it, its new hardware, and a different
> > list server.  He's a busy guy.
> > 
> > Plus having to run the list on Windows Server 2003 is
> > probably irksome.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Running our list on windows would be blasphemy.  
> 
> BTW why would Suse drop Reiser just because the inventor is in jail.
> Can't development continue without him?

First, we do not drop it. It is there, it is fully supported, you
can install the system on it.

We only changed the installer _default_. You can of course
still select it in the istnaller.

Reasons for no longer making it the default:
- No active upstream maintenance. SUSE had 2 developers supporting it,
  one of them left SUSE.
 
- not effectively scalable to lots of CPUs.

See Jeff Mahoneys article on it.

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[opensuse] Firefox & RPM

2006-11-14 Thread Gustavo Zapico @ NETAVANZA
Hi

I have a problem with RPM. Anytime i try to download an RPM form Firefox
the borwser tries to use Real Player to play rpm files. Where i could
change this?

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt

This will make two similar files containing the list of the current 
directory.


Regards,...

TheOldWiseKing

??? wrote:

Hello. I already learnt that:

$ ls > result.txt
will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt

Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
the same time?

$ ls > result1.txt > result2.txt

Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt

Thanks.
  

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Re: [opensuse] Update SUSE

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing
I think using SMART will be more nice, it's very easy and direct. it 
also contains a GUI. there is a wiki page for it at: 
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Smart


Thanks for ur help,...

Regards,...

TheOldWiseKing




Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2006-11-14 01:52, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
  

On 2006-11-14 01:27, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
  


Hi,...

What I need is the address of repositories that I can use to update
SUSE. where I can these repositories?


  


  


I forgot to mention the repositories where you can upgrade to a new
version of many packages, at
http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/. One small glitch
with these is, you need to add a source for each application, eg. if you
want to upgrade both KDE and Gnome, then you need to add both
repositories. That can get pretty messy in your installation sources
list, if you want to keep up-to-date on many applications.


  

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2006-11-14 01:59, 张韡武 wrote:
> Hello. I already learnt that:
>
> $ ls > result.txt
> will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt
>
> Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
> the same time?
>
> $ ls > result1.txt > result2.txt
>
> Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt
>
>   
info tee

Tee will redirect output to several files, as well as to stdout. If you
don't want output to stdout, do a "usual" redirection, eg:

ls | tee result1.txt result2.txt
This will send output to each file and to stdout.

ls | tee result1.txt > result2.txt
This will send output to result1.txt and redirect stdout to result2.txt.

OK, I gave you everything you were asking about -- but you should read
the info file anyway :-)

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
Hi Houghi,

First of all, thanks for your reply.

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:07 +0100, houghi wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:45:57AM +0545, Prajjwal Devkota wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 
> > I have been evaluating Fedora Core 5 (customising wherever necessary)
> > for use in my organisation.  However, recently, I have been looking at
> > OpenSuse as well, and it seems to be very user friendly.  However, there
> > are the 5 cds to use, and I am still just beginning with OpenSuse.
> 
> Actualy there are 6 CDs to use (or 1 DVD)

Hmm, I was not talking about the addon cd, we poor people out here have
VSAT links to go through, so we tend to be economical about
bandwidth :(.

> 
> > Thats why I would like to know a few things if you could help me out:
> > * How well does wine run: which version is it?  I am talking about
> > packaged rpms of course.  I did try on suse 9.3: their own packaged
> > version seemed to be a bit old, and the version I compiled by
> > downloading from winehq did not work well with ies4linux configuration.
> 
> I do not use wine, but I do know that 9.3 is pretty old. 10.1 is much more
> recent.
> 
Will check it out... anyone else know though?  Thanks for the response
anyways.

> > * Has anyone tried to create customised installation cds for OpenSuse?
> 
> Yes. http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs and
> http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
> 

Great!  I hope to have my own suse install cds too now, in addition to
the fedora ones, hehe.  By the way, do you know if pam_mount works well
with suse?  Its useful for auto home directory mounting in active
directory cases, unless suse already has something better configured.

> > I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch of rpms from extras,
> > livna, and a few of my own rpms. 
> 
> use the -a option in makeSUSEdvd
> 
Will check that out.
> > That feature is useful, but not
> > essential.  However, being able to do a network install (a local network
> > install, not from the official mirrors).  I am sure that Suse should
> > support that, I still have to RTFM, so if you have any quickstart tips,
> > I would be happy to hear them.
> 
> Well, RTFM first, then boot from the Net Boot Image: http://openSUSE.org
> 
> > Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Prajjwal
> > 
> > Message Disclaimer: This electronic message may contain confidential 
> > information. If you have received it in error,
> > please immediately inform the sender and delete the mail and any 
> > attachments. Unless it relates to the official business 
> > of UMN, any opinions, views and other information expressed in this 
> > document are those of the individual sender. 
> 
> Disclaimers like this are useless. I can not recieve anything in error.
> All that I recieve was send to me on purpose. If it contains any
> confidential information then it is up to you to keep it that way. The
> moment I recieve it, it isn't confidential anymore.
> 
> So how do we know this message is official business of UMN? I asume it is.
> 
> houghi

Hehe, nothing I can do about it, its official :).  Maybe I should use
yahoo for mailing lists or something, but then, I don't check yahoo
every 5 minutes.

Thanks,
Prajjwal

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Re: [opensuse] Is openSUSE for the common man?

2006-11-14 Thread J Sloan


Per Jessen wrote:
> J Sloan wrote:
> 
>> That was naturally a first thought, but for one, the price per seat is
>> no longer $50 with SLED, and also, isn't SLED just a bit light on the
>> desktop apps side of things? I haven't verified, but I got the feeling
>> it wasn't quite the same.
>>
>> What they really want is not SLES10, but rather SLEDS10 but at a
>> SLED10 price.
> 
> If price is a significant criteria - which I wouldn't have thought when
> you're looking at supported corporate solutions (the SLEx series) -
> what you want is openSUSE.  That's SLEDS in a nutshell.

That's pretty much the consensus view among the linux-using techies I know -
i.e SLED10 is really nice, we'd even recommend it to aunt mildred, but for our
own workstations we'd rather go for the full monty in opensuse.

IMHO If price *isn't* a criteria, you're mismanaging your resources.

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Re: [opensuse] Is openSUSE for the common man?

2006-11-14 Thread J Sloan


Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Monday 13 November 2006 23:06, J Sloan wrote:
>> Per Jessen wrote:
>>> J Sloan wrote:
 I was impressed with how smooth SLED10 is, but I grew impatient as a
 power user, wanting to run servers and do dev work, but finding that
 SLED is targeted at the desktop only.
>>> Isn't that exactly what the 'D' means??
>> Yep, and we're finding that, ironically, the power users don't like it
>> for that reason. It's great for the secretarial types, but the techies
>> want their web servers, j2ee, databases etc on their workstations.
> 
> You might want to have a look at the SLE10 SDK. It includes much of what you 
> talk about

Ah, thanks for the tip, I will look into that -

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox & RPM

2006-11-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2006-11-14 02:22, Gustavo Zapico @ NETAVANZA wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a problem with RPM. Anytime i try to download an RPM form Firefox
> the borwser tries to use Real Player to play rpm files. Where i could
> change this?
This is happening because you have installed the Realplayer plug-in and
those files have the same extension as an RPM. RPM packages have a
distinct MIME type, but if the browser doesn't recognize it, then it
uses the file extension to decide how to handle it.

In Seamonkey/Mozilla:

Edit/Preferences/Navigator/Helper Applications, click New Type.

Enter MIME Type application/x-rpm and extension rpm, select the action
you want, click OK to create the file type, and OK to save the preferences.

In Firefox, getting to the helper apps panel might be a little
different; I've never used it, so I do not know.


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[opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Daniel Bauer
Hi,

I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which seems 
to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.

Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) 
or do I just have to wait another little while?

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
> > > Thats why I would like to know a few things if you could help me out:
> > > * How well does wine run: which version is it?  I am talking about
> > > packaged rpms of course.  I did try on suse 9.3: their own packaged
> > > version seemed to be a bit old, and the version I compiled by
> > > downloading from winehq did not work well with ies4linux configuration.
> > 
> > I do not use wine, but I do know that 9.3 is pretty old. 10.1 is much more
> > recent.
> > 
> Will check it out... anyone else know though?  Thanks for the response
> anyways.

http://en.opensuse.org/Wine

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Per Jessen
Prajjwal Devkota wrote:

> However, being able to do a network install (a local network
> install, not from the official mirrors).  I am sure that Suse should
> support that, I still have to RTFM, so if you have any quickstart
> tips, I would be happy to hear them.

No problem at all - I do all installation from a local NFS server. When
you boot the suse install-image (using your favourite method - CD, PXE,
USB etc), you can simply specify the following kernel options:

install=nfs://server/path/CD1  (for instance).

You can also install using SSH, which I find very useful: 

usessh=1 sshpassword= 




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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which 
> seems 
> to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
> 
> Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) 
> or do I just have to wait another little while?

They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today
or tomorrow.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 9 oracle 10g installation DHCP-assigned public IP addresses problem

2006-11-14 Thread Ali Durmus

Hi,
I am using server at LAN so I set static ip not to use dynamic.
I have checked hostname, it is ok. Is oracle get hosts and Ip another 
file other than /etc/hosts?


John Andersen yazmış:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:58, Ali Durmus wrote:
  

Recommendation: Oracle supports installations on systems with
DHCP-assigned public IP addresses. However, the primary network
interface on the system should be configured with a static IP
address in order for the Oracle Software to function properly.
See the Installation Guide for more details on installing the
software on systems configured with DHCP.



In my (limited) experience any resolvable name works as well
as an numerical IP address.  All the clients I have used had the
ability to use either.

You can get a resolvable name from Dyndns.org's free dynamic dns
service which lets you use something like pen.homeip.net even
when you get an ip via dhcp.

  


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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Daniel Bauer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
> > seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
> >
> > Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
> > look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
>
> They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today
> or tomorrow.
>
> Ciao, Marcus

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 04:37:23AM -0500, Mark Hounschell wrote:
> As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on
> reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be 
> applied
> to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done 
> and
> Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required.
> So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
> some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened
> no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4.

Well, the books are not closed on reiser4 and mainline acceptance.
It just might take some time.

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Daniel Bauer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:46, John Andersen wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
> > seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
> >
> > Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
> > look) or do I just have to wait another little while?
>
> http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/    Hunt around there for the distro you need.  I have Seamonkey 1.1 from
> there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you
> are using.

Thank you, John.

However, thats where I find the 1.0.99 only. But I just see another message 
from Marcus Meissner, that 1.0.6 will be available soon...

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
John Andersen wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:37, Mark Hounschell wrote:
>> Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
>> some time because no one is maintaining the code. 
> 
> Does it need a lot of maintenance?  Lots of bugs stacking up?
> 

There have been bug fixes to reiser-3 that only went into reiser-4. If you need
the fix you have to use 4. Also, when a kernel change happens that requires a
change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that change?

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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Thanks Daniel,

I don't think I have made any specific change on PAM.

I did a rpm -V on pam, pam-32bit, pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit,
yast2-pam and yast2
all but one reporting no discrepancy.

pam-modules reports
S.5T c /etc/security/pam_pwcheck.conf

but this file has only one uncommented line:
password: minlen=6 no_obscure_checks cracklib nullok

Nothing obvious to me.

Besides, the problem seems to go away after a clean iptables flush and
restarting firewall.
Not sure if it is a configuration problem.

Peter 

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Sent: 13 November 2006 17:48
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

This output is a function of PAM, so ensure your pam configurations is
still good.

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From: Chiu, PCM (Peter) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:00 AM
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com; opensuse@opensuse.org
Cc: Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Subject: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database
too restrictive


Hi all,

On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10
(x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users try
to log on using ssh and failed:

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Password: xx
Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.

The machine has firewall enabled, but it appears that certain updates
(quite likely from YOU) have been applied and the firewall has been
reset.  As a result no one can log on over the network using ssh.

Restarting firewall (by invokine /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_init and
SuSEfirewall2_setup restart alone) will NOT reactivate the service.
Access is only restored after flushing the firewall and restarting it.
   
Has anyone come across the same problem?

Any pointers here?

Peter
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:23:05 +0100
Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We only changed the installer _default_. You can of course
> still select it in the istnaller.
So far, so good.
Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
that have been installed with ReiserFs?
I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

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Re: [opensuse] AIGLX on openSUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Alexey Eremenko

Is there any chance to see Yast module in next openSUSE 10.3 that
supports both XGL and AIGLX ? (like Mandriva did drak3d)...
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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
ls | tee test.txt > test1.txt

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:23 +0200, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> S A
> 
> I found a good solution, here is the command:
> 
> ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
> 
> This will make two similar files containing the list of the current 
> directory.
> 
> Regards,...
> 
> TheOldWiseKing
> 
> ??? wrote:
> > Hello. I already learnt that:
> >
> > $ ls > result.txt
> > will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt
> >
> > Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
> > the same time?
> >
> > $ ls > result1.txt > result2.txt
> >
> > Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt
> >
> > Thanks.
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LiveCD scripts... missing (was: Re: [opensuse] chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory)

2006-11-14 Thread Martin Mielke
Hi all,

yes, yes... I solved the chroot() environment problems yesterday... I'm now 
facing some others related to apt-get ("E: Unable to determine a suitable 
packaging system type" -- this is off-topic now, I'll fire up another thread if 
needed...)...

Anyway, although this email is targeted to Marcus I'd like to know if you have 
the same problems as I describe below...

@ Marcus: I downloaded the PDF on LiveCDs based on SuSE from the FOSDEM site... 
unfortunatelly the PDF has not been rendered correctly and the text is 
grabbled. Could you please be so kind to tell Steffen Winterfeldt to regenerate 
the document and update the FOSDEM site accordingly?

Furthermore, the short description on the FOSDEM site states:

 [quote] This tutorial introduces the SUSE Linux LiveCD script... [/quote]. 

So, the PDF roughly describes the miracles and wonders that the script could do 
for us but... where is it? Some .conf files are also named but no examples are 
given...
In other words, IMHO it could be desireable to make a more interesting, more 
complete and fully descriptive document (i.e.: provide examples, too) instead 
of a "for-the-press"-presentation so the openSuSE community can benefit from 
this know-how.

Please keep us posted!

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:37, Mark Hounschell wrote:
> Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
> some time because no one is maintaining the code. 

Does it need a lot of maintenance?  Lots of bugs stacking up?

Its too bad, because it sure had a lot of promise, and considering he
wrote most of it himself its an amazing piece of work.  


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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
> seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
>
> Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
> look) or do I just have to wait another little while?

http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/   

Re: [opensuse] Suse 9 oracle 10g installation DHCP-assigned public IP addresses problem

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:58, Ali Durmus wrote:
> Recommendation: Oracle supports installations on systems with
> DHCP-assigned public IP addresses. However, the primary network
> interface on the system should be configured with a static IP
> address in order for the Oracle Software to function properly.
> See the Installation Guide for more details on installing the
> software on systems configured with DHCP.

In my (limited) experience any resolvable name works as well
as an numerical IP address.  All the clients I have used had the
ability to use either.

You can get a resolvable name from Dyndns.org's free dynamic dns
service which lets you use something like pen.homeip.net even
when you get an ip via dhcp.

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on
reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be applied
to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done and
Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required.
So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened
no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4.

Mark


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[opensuse] Re: Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Joachim Schrod

John Andersen wrote:


http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/   

[opensuse] Suse 9 oracle 10g installation DHCP-assigned public IP addresses problem

2006-11-14 Thread Ali Durmus

Hi,
I got below error when I have tried to install Oracle 10gR2.
I have checked # hostname, it is Ok. I setup network to use static Ip.
I checked /etc/hosts. Does oracle get hostname another file?
How can I solve my problem.
Thanks.

Recommendation: Oracle supports installations on systems with
DHCP-assigned public IP addresses. However, the primary network
interface on the system should be configured with a static IP
address in order for the Oracle Software to function properly.
See the Installation Guide for more details on installing the
software on systems configured with DHCP.
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Re: [opensuse] Is openSUSE for the common man?

2006-11-14 Thread Xn Nooby
One of the reasons I am using openSUSE now, is because I am also using SLES 9 at work.  SLES9 seems a little dated, and I have been having a difficult time updating certain packages for it, currently Apache 2.2.  I am using the "smart" package manager on SUSE 10 now (thanks!), but its website says its only tested on 10 and 
10.1. It is also not in YAST on SLES9.  Is there an easy to use package manager that will work with SLES9, which I believe is based on SUSE 9.1?  While trying to install Apache 2.2 (so I can use it's load balancing module for ruby/rails), I ended up having to install several rpms - one of which was apparently the wrong version (
9.3 instead of 9.1).  One of the links posted here was for a repo that seemed to include 9.1 rpms, and I can probally manually install "smart" - but should it work?  At work we have a SLES9 contract, but the online update didn't seem to have the latest version of Apache.
As a side question, is SLES9 supposed to be up-to-date, or would they mostly just have security fixes nowadays?  It has a really long lifespan, but I can't imagine they would backport all the latest packages (though it would be nice if so!).  I'm kind of locked in to SLES9 for work use.  I've been warned about using the wrong rpms on SLES9, which is why I'm so apprehensive about it.  
thanks!


Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread Lev Lafayette
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:25 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote:

> You underestimate people.
> 
> I work in an enterprise with less than a thousand people.  Because of
> those people, we went from a Word Perfect shop to a MS Office shop. 
> Why, because they ran it at home.  People see Microsoft advertising
> everywhere, and that's what drives their decisions.  I'd wager no one,
> and I mean no one, at our organization has ever heard of Ubuntu, or most
> any other flavor of Linux.  Worse yet, the CEOs haven't either.  Do you
> think they run MS because it's technically superior?  To the contrary,
> MS failings are widely publicized, and it's STILL dominant.  You expect
> those people to choose Linux?
> 

Just for the record, when Linux Users Victoria did their Software
Freedom Day walk around Melbourne handing out Ubuntu CDs, not only were
people aware of Linux, they were also aware of Ubuntu as a distribution.

Maybe that's just Melbourne, but I think it's more general. So I'll take
you up on your wager. Gentleman's bet of course. Run a survey of your
less than 1,000 people and I bet you $1 that, apart from yourself,
someone has heard of Ubuntu.

Ball in your court,


Lev
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Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

2006-11-14 Thread Juergen Weigert
On Nov 12, 06 20:47:43 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> Hi all !
> 
> Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask
> include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE
> 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). 

We cannot exploit the deal for that.
Even if the deal would allow what you hoped for [*], the deal is not perpetual. 
If it terminates (in 5 years, or for some reason earlier) we'd suddenly
infringe MS-patents. Not a good plan, methinks.

[*] It does not allow us to include patented code from MS. 
It actually says quite the opposite: MS somewhat agrees 
with us, that we don't.

cheers,
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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread kanenas
On Monday 13 November 2006 08:54, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> On Monday 13 November 2006 16:15, Clayton wrote:
> > Normally I don't have any problems playing embedded videos... using
> > Firefox (1.5.0.7) and the latest MPlayer (plus the w32codecs and
> > mplayerplugin).  Recently I've noticed that MPlayer isn't able to
> > pickup and play the embedded video anymore.
> > Case in point
> > https://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/kbc/
> > I'd like to check out what's on offer and watch KBC in Linux.
> > In my setup, this doesn't work.  I'm sure if "can" work if I can
> > figure out what's wroing with my MPlayer setup.
> >
> > But... as a first step, is anyone able to play the sample video on this
> > site?
>
> Yep it plays just fine here. Using a centrino with SUSE 10.1, and the
> following packages:
>
> mplayerplug-in-3.25-0.pm.7
> MPlayer-1.0pre8-8.pm.svn20060811
> MozillaFirefox-2.0-41.1
>
> Mpl* was obtained through packman and Firefox was from the build service.
>
> Hugo Costelha

Are they 32 or x86-64 apps?
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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread Hugo Costelha
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Monday 13 November 2006 08:54, Hugo Costelha wrote:
> > On Monday 13 November 2006 16:15, Clayton wrote:
> > > Normally I don't have any problems playing embedded videos... using
> > > Firefox (1.5.0.7) and the latest MPlayer (plus the w32codecs and
> > > mplayerplugin).  Recently I've noticed that MPlayer isn't able to
> > > pickup and play the embedded video anymore.
> > > Case in point
> > > https://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/kbc/
> > > I'd like to check out what's on offer and watch KBC in Linux.
> > > In my setup, this doesn't work.  I'm sure if "can" work if I can
> > > figure out what's wroing with my MPlayer setup.
> > >
> > > But... as a first step, is anyone able to play the sample video on this
> > > site?
> >
> > Yep it plays just fine here. Using a centrino with SUSE 10.1, and the
> > following packages:
> >
> > mplayerplug-in-3.25-0.pm.7
> > MPlayer-1.0pre8-8.pm.svn20060811
> > MozillaFirefox-2.0-41.1
> >
> > Mpl* was obtained through packman and Firefox was from the build service.
> >
> > Hugo Costelha
>
> Are they 32 or x86-64 apps?

32 bit. But I have a computer at home, and might try it there also, although 
only in about 8h to 10h from now.

Hugo Costelha
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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Bob S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [11-14-06 00:56]:
> I cannot. Does the page ask you to install a plugin ?

no

> (unknown type) And if not,is that where the sample video is located ?
> (upper left)

see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox-mplayer.jpg


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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:02, Mark Hounschell wrote:
> Also, when a kernel change happens that
> requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that
> change?

I think you misunderstand the benefits of having your module in the mainline 
tree: you don't have to do all the work yourself. Many changes are made by 
other people
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:25:00 +0100
Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
> > that have been installed with ReiserFs?
> > I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
> > Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.
> 
> Backup
> re-format
> restore
> mount and edit fstab
> reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
> secondary stages changed)
> reboot
> 
> what else?
Ext3 is not loaded in the kernel at boot time.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

> > > Fixed now. Happy? :)
> > 
> > Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
> 
> 7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
> it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
> to poll my ISP for new mail).

It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Thanks Anders,

The system uses NIS, a client.

I happened to have a session logged on at the time, and I could access
the NIS servers.
I did also restart ypbind, and it got started okay.

As explained in my earlier post to Daniel Gomez, I ran a verify on pam,
pam-32bit,
pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit and yast2-pam, no specific differences
reported apart
from pam_pwcheck.conf.  The latter has only 1 line, nothing obvious...

Peter


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Sent: 13 November 2006 19:31
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

On Monday 13 November 2006 16:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 
> (x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users 
> try to log on using ssh and failed:
>
> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Password: xx
> Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.

This error comes from PAM, and as far as I know it can mean one of two
things: 
either the password or username was wrong, or PAM failed to contact the
password source (for example failed to read /etc/shadow, or failed to
contact the LDAP server for some reason)
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Re: [opensuse] Need gnome-pilot applet update

2006-11-14 Thread James Ogley
> For 10.1 I would suggest rebuilding a source rpm of gnome-pilot (and
> probably pilot-link) from 10.2

And keeping an eye on http://repos.opensuse.org/GNOME:/STABLE too.
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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
Thank you Lars and all the rest!

What you sent me seems to have most of what I was asking about (except
if anyone had tried pam_mount or used any other method for automatic
directory mounting in active directory/centralised authentication-- idle
curiosity once again ).  

 I look forward to testing out my new distribution for internal use.  If
the customisation process is as simple as outlined in the documentation,
I definitely look forward to it :).

Now, I have a lot of reading to do, hehe.

Best Regards,
Prajjwal

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 13:22 +0100, Lars Rupp wrote:
> Hi Prajjwal 
> 
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:00, Prajjwal Devkota wrote (shortened):
> > * Has anyone tried to create customised installation
> > cds for OpenSuse? I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch
> > of rpms from extras, livna, and a few of my own rpms.  That feature
> > is useful, but not essential.  However, being able to do a network
> > install (a local network install, not from the official mirrors).  I
> > am sure that Suse should support that, I still have to RTFM, so if
> > you have any quickstart tips, I would be happy to hear them.
> 
> This depends on what you want. 
> * Yes, you can install openSUSE via Network (SMB, NFS, FTP, HTTP, ...)
> * Yes, you can customize your openSUSE:
> + create an Add on installation source if you just want to add some of 
> your own packages:
> http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Package_Repositories_to_YaST
> http://en.opensuse.org/Inst-source-utils => create_update_source.sh
> 
> + create a full customized installation source (even without or just 
> some small user interaction):
> http://www.suse.de/~ug/autoyast_doc/index.html
> 
> > Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> I hope this is enough documentation for you... ;-)
> 
> Greetings,
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
> So far, so good.
> Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
> that have been installed with ReiserFs?
> I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
> Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

Backup
re-format
restore
mount and edit fstab
reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
secondary stages changed)
reboot

what else?
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Matthew Stringer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 09:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

> Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
> that have been installed with ReiserFs?
> I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
> Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.
>
> Cheers,
>
> luciano.


Why would you want to do that? Just because 10.2 uses EXT3 as the default FS 
doesn't mean your existing machines are in danger of becoming out of support 
any time soon?
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:02, Mark Hounschell wrote:
>> Also, when a kernel change happens that
>> requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that
>> change?
> 
> I think you misunderstand the benefits of having your module in the mainline 
> tree: you don't have to do all the work yourself. Many changes are made by 
> other people

I think your understanding of the benefits of having your module in the mainline
kernel may be slightly delusional. Just because your module is in the kernel
doesn't mean that everyone else or even anyone else is going to understand the
code enough to be able make arbitrary changes that may be required. Abandoned
kernel code gets removed eventually. If someone steps up to maintain it thats
another story.



Mark

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[opensuse] alsa + udev problem on 10.1

2006-11-14 Thread Frank Steiner
Hi,

I'm running several hosts on SuSE 10.1. On some I've problems with
alsa: udev does not load the sound modules, so there is no /proc/asound
when /etc/init.d/alsa starts, thus not loading anything.

Debugging udev I saw that on the failing hosts hwup complains about
blacklisted modules. However, on two other hosts with exactly the same
sound device (and the same module) it works. Doing it manually:

knuth /root# lspci |grep 11.5
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 
AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
knuth /root# /sbin/hwup bus-pci-:00:11.5 -o hotplug 
WARNING: module 'via82cxxx_audio' is blacklisted
WARNING: module 'snd_via82xx' is blacklisted

==> module not loaded

galois /root/tmp# lspci |grep 11.5
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 
AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
galois /root/tmp# /sbin/hwup bus-pci-:00:11.5 -o hotplug
hwup: Loading module 'snd-via82xx'  for device 'bus-pci-:00:11.5'

==> module loaded.

What can be the reason that one host loads the module while the
other does not? Both hosts have the same installation, sysconfig.rpm
is the same, so is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

Any ideas what goes wrong here? 

cu,
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Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
Well, NIS in itself is not an authentication scheme, it only distributes 
configurations. A NIS client can authenticate against LDAP or local shadow 
files, depending on the config files you're distributing

Check the pam_unix2.conf in /lib/security to see what you are using for 
authentication

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> Thanks Anders,
>
> The system uses NIS, a client.
>
> I happened to have a session logged on at the time, and I could access
> the NIS servers.
> I did also restart ypbind, and it got started okay.
>
> As explained in my earlier post to Daniel Gomez, I ran a verify on pam,
> pam-32bit,
> pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit and yast2-pam, no specific differences
> reported apart
> from pam_pwcheck.conf.  The latter has only 1 line, nothing obvious...
>
> Peter
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anders Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 13 November 2006 19:31
> To: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
> database too restrictive
>
> On Monday 13 November 2006 16:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10
> > (x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users
> > try to log on using ssh and failed:
> >
> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Password: xx
> > Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.
>
> This error comes from PAM, and as far as I know it can mean one of two
> things:
> either the password or username was wrong, or PAM failed to contact the
> password source (for example failed to read /etc/shadow, or failed to
> contact the LDAP server for some reason)
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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Lars Rupp
Hi Prajjwal 

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:00, Prajjwal Devkota wrote (shortened):
> * Has anyone tried to create customised installation
> cds for OpenSuse? I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch
> of rpms from extras, livna, and a few of my own rpms.  That feature
> is useful, but not essential.  However, being able to do a network
> install (a local network install, not from the official mirrors).  I
> am sure that Suse should support that, I still have to RTFM, so if
> you have any quickstart tips, I would be happy to hear them.

This depends on what you want. 
* Yes, you can install openSUSE via Network (SMB, NFS, FTP, HTTP, ...)
* Yes, you can customize your openSUSE:
+ create an Add on installation source if you just want to add some of 
your own packages:
http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Package_Repositories_to_YaST
http://en.opensuse.org/Inst-source-utils => create_update_source.sh

+ create a full customized installation source (even without or just 
some small user interaction):
http://www.suse.de/~ug/autoyast_doc/index.html

> Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.

I hope this is enough documentation for you... ;-)

Greetings,
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread jdd

Anders Johansson a écrit :

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

So far, so good.
Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
that have been installed with ReiserFs?
I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.


Backup
re-format
restore
mount and edit fstab
reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
secondary stages changed)

reboot

what else?


better wait any hardware change and use ext3 on new 
formatted partition.


for now there no instruction from openSUSE/Novell to make a 
switch, so we can hope a very long maintenance cycle


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Re: [opensuse] Transfer log i Konqueror?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hi,

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:14, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:


Well, I saw something for the first time here. KMail gave me a big blue 
banner that says:

-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data.
Error: Decryption failed
  Encrypted data not shown.
End of encrypted message
-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-


Is this a problem on my end, or was the message itself malformed or 
invalid in some way?


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[opensuse] Anonymous access to forgesvn1.novell.com doesn't work

2006-11-14 Thread Flávio Moringa
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Hi guys,

sorry if this is out of place but I can't find any help elsewere.

I'm trying to do an anonymous checkout of the LiveCD scripts from
forgesvn1.novell.com but it doesn seem to work. I even tried with my
novell username account and it also doesn't work.

The exact command I'm doing is:
svn checkout https://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/svn/livecd/trunk

I've also tried with no user:
svn checkout https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/livecd/trunk

An even with:
svn checkout https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/livecd/trunk --username
anonymous

Any tips???

Thanks in advance

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[opensuse] Re: [SLE] how to enable XGL? (could not enable 3D accelerate)

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
在 2006-11-05日的 13:03 +0100,Peo Nilsson写道:
> On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:23 +0800, 张韡武 wrote:
> 
> > installation. Check display card properties, it shows the "Enable 3D
> > accelerate" checkbox is in gray color, that is, I cannot check this
> > checkbox. 
> If nvidias driver is properly installed you should have 3D accel.
> Don´t bother about the checkbox in yast (enable 3D), it´s enabled
> nomatter what it says. Somewhere in the documentation I have read
> about this issue, don´t remember where though.

Thank you very much for offering this checklist to determine my problem.
I believe I have nvidia driver properly installed : first by using the
install source of download.nvidia.com and when it doesn't work, run the
install program of nvidia to have compiled a kernel module. X starts
fine.
> 
> 1) What happens if you run 'glxgears' in a shell.
>If it runs you have 3D enabled.

I have glxgear runs fine, I can reach as much as 1800 FPS. (Before using
nvidia driver I can reach only around 500 FPS with nv driver)

> 2) Read the mail archive, there have been a LARGE amount about
>the nvidia drievr.
> 
> If you still can´t get it to run properly, please feel free to post
> again.
> Also if it works out for you, do tell it in a post.

SaX2 said I have Geforce Go 6150. 3D is enabled and not possible to
disable (checkbox always checked).

However gnome-xgl-setting display this information:
Video card: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge
Your video card is not in XGL's database
3D Acceleration: Disabled
Desktop Effect: Disabled

I was also told that I can run SaX to fix this, but actually I can do
nothing in SaX (because 3D is already enabled).

I also checked gentoo's xgl compatibility and it's clearly written my
type of card is supported. Actually that's why I sold my old notebook to
get this new one: in order to play with XGL effects. I checked XGL
compatibility before I decide to purchase this notebook. I think if
gentoo can run XGL on it, SuSE must be able to too.

Any hint?

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [SLE] how to enable XGL? (could not enable 3D accelerate)

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
在 2006-11-14二的 20:32 +0800,张韡武写道:
> 在 2006-11-05日的 13:03 +0100,Peo Nilsson写道:
> > On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:23 +0800, 张韡武 wrote:
> > 
> > > installation. Check display card properties, it shows the "Enable 3D
> > > accelerate" checkbox is in gray color, that is, I cannot check this
> > > checkbox. 
> > If nvidias driver is properly installed you should have 3D accel.
> > Don´t bother about the checkbox in yast (enable 3D), it´s enabled
> > nomatter what it says. Somewhere in the documentation I have read
> > about this issue, don´t remember where though.
> 
> Thank you very much for offering this checklist to determine my problem.
> I believe I have nvidia driver properly installed : first by using the
> install source of download.nvidia.com and when it doesn't work, run the
> install program of nvidia to have compiled a kernel module. X starts
> fine.
> > 
> > 1) What happens if you run 'glxgears' in a shell.
> >If it runs you have 3D enabled.
> 
> I have glxgear runs fine, I can reach as much as 1800 FPS. (Before using
> nvidia driver I can reach only around 500 FPS with nv driver)
> 
> > 2) Read the mail archive, there have been a LARGE amount about
> >the nvidia drievr.
> > 
> > If you still can´t get it to run properly, please feel free to post
> > again.
> > Also if it works out for you, do tell it in a post.
> 
> SaX2 said I have Geforce Go 6150. 3D is enabled and not possible to
> disable (checkbox always checked).
> 
> However gnome-xgl-setting display this information:
> Video card: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge
> Your video card is not in XGL's database
> 3D Acceleration: Disabled
> Desktop Effect: Disabled
> 
> I was also told that I can run SaX to fix this, but actually I can do
> nothing in SaX (because 3D is already enabled).
> 
> I also checked gentoo's xgl compatibility and it's clearly written my
> type of card is supported. Actually that's why I sold my old notebook to
> get this new one: in order to play with XGL effects. I checked XGL
> compatibility before I decide to purchase this notebook. I think if
> gentoo can run XGL on it, SuSE must be able to too.
> 
> Any hint?

Now I can run it!

I tried this: I discovered a new command gnome-xgl-switch and I enabled
XGL with this command. Reboot the computer and then xgl works!

I think this should be filed as a bug: a supported brand of video card
is by mistake considered not-supported and users are forbidden to
activate xgl by using control center panel.
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.1 can not open GDM manager

2006-11-14 Thread JP Rosevear
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 11:13 +0700, Adrianus Wasis wrote:
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> 
> I want to change GDM themes by using GDM manager from Gnome (as root).
> But nothing appear, also with login photo program from
> Applications-System-Configuration.
> What is wrong? Can I change GDM themes by other way?

Are there any errors on the command line?

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Re: [opensuse] TV Cards (IT WORKS!)

2006-11-14 Thread John Meyer
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I'm not using the PVR-150, I'm using WinTV GO Plus, and it does work.
Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
> On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:31, John Andersen wrote:
>>> Edited the tv file to add tuner=44.
>> Well it might get you a bit closer, but
>> That's not the correct way to go about it according to the ivtv docs.
>> modprobe ivtv should do it all.  
>> This suggests to me you still have a mix of modules installed.
> 
> If you give a tuner number, to me that means you are using bttv module. 
> PVR-150 uses ivtv, not bttv. Ivtv has no such thing as tuner=a number.
> 
> Bryan
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[opensuse] Viewing Info Files in Konqueror

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hi,

I've recently begun to get some odd behavior from Konqueror when I use 
it as an info file viewer.

Specifically, I enter an "info:" URL (say, info:a2ps) and I see the main 
page, complete with links. But when I click any of those links I'm not 
shown the corresponding secondary page. Instead, I get an alert asking 
me how to handle the target of the link:

Open 'info:/a2ps/Important parameters'?
Type: HTML Document

[] Do not ask again

[Save As...] [Open with Firefox...] [Cancel]


Has anyone else seen this? Is it some kind of misconfiguration I've 
inadvertently created?


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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
> 
> > > > Fixed now. Happy? :)
> > > 
> > > Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
> > 
> > 7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and 
> > have
> > it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am 
> > about
> > to poll my ISP for new mail).
> 
> It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
> minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
> steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
> just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
> stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.

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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Hi Anders,

I can only find pam_unix2.conf under /etc/security.
In that, apart from comments, it contains the following four lines

auth:
account:
password:
session: none

So presumably just using the defaults.

Peter
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From: Anders Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 14 November 2006 12:08
To: Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

Well, NIS in itself is not an authentication scheme, it only distributes
configurations. A NIS client can authenticate against LDAP or local
shadow files, depending on the config files you're distributing

Check the pam_unix2.conf in /lib/security to see what you are using for
authentication

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> Thanks Anders,
>
> The system uses NIS, a client.
>
> I happened to have a session logged on at the time, and I could access

> the NIS servers.
> I did also restart ypbind, and it got started okay.
>
> As explained in my earlier post to Daniel Gomez, I ran a verify on 
> pam, pam-32bit, pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit and yast2-pam, no 
> specific differences reported apart from pam_pwcheck.conf.  The latter

> has only 1 line, nothing obvious...
>
> Peter
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anders Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 13 November 2006 19:31
> To: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password 
> database too restrictive
>
> On Monday 13 November 2006 16:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 
> > (x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users 
> > try to log on using ssh and failed:
> >
> > ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Password: xx
> > Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.
>
> This error comes from PAM, and as far as I know it can mean one of two
> things:
> either the password or username was wrong, or PAM failed to contact 
> the password source (for example failed to read /etc/shadow, or failed

> to contact the LDAP server for some reason)
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Re: [opensuse] 3D With RADEON 7000

2006-11-14 Thread BRUCE STANLEY
BandiPat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 13 November 2006 13:14, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:> I have replaced my ATI 9250 video card with a> ATI Radeon 7000 card.>> The 9250 was not working very well with my> motherboard.>> The question I have is: does the XORG driver for the> Radeon 7000 support  3D acceleration?>> When I swithed driver for it, sax2 did not set up any> 3D acceleration.>> If it is supported, what is the correct option(s) that need> to be set up in the xorg.conf file?=You should drop down to init 3, run sax2 and set the 3D on with your other settings.  It should work fine on that
 card.bye,Lee-Hi Lee!That's how I set it up originally.  I remember checking the options listand it had the 'no acceleration' option set, but I did not see any wayto reverse it.I must have missed something?

[opensuse] Activating routes

2006-11-14 Thread James Mohr
Hi All!

This is a pretty basic question and I am almost embarrassed to ask. I have 
SUSE 10.0 Pro and configured a route in /etc/sysconfig/network/routes.  I 
have been digging through the scripts under /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts, 
looking for a means to activate this route without having to run 
"/etc/init.d/network restart". Doing that does not seem to be a problem, but 
it seems to be overkill. Any info is appreaciated.

Regards,

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Re: [opensuse] Update SUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Kenneth Schneider
Try http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378


On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:27 +0200, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> Hi,...
> 
> What I need is the address of repositories that I can use to update 
> SUSE. where I can these repositories?
> 
> Thanks,...
> 
> TheOldWiseKing
> 

Try http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378


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Re: [opensuse] AIGLX on openSUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Jigish Gohil

On 11/14/06, Sorin Peste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm writing to ask about AIGLX support in openSUSE 10.1 and 10.2. According


--snip---


I couldn't find it in any other language. My
deutsch is quite rusty, so I can't make out which openSUSE version allows
this. Can anyone help me?


All versions of openSUSE allows this, i.e. the first one that is
coming openSUSE 10.2. SUSE Linux 10.1 also allows AIGLX if you are
using xorg 7.2 packages from this repository:

http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.1/

To be able to use AIGLX you would need graphics card that is supported
and most recent compiz or beryl packages, information about those can
be found on these sites:

http://go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Download

http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-4853-beryl-suse-packages

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:17:17 +
Matthew Stringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
> > that have been installed with ReiserFs?
> 
> 
> Why would you want to do that? Just because 10.2 uses EXT3 as the default FS 
> doesn't mean your existing machines are in danger of becoming out of support 
> any time soon?
Well, if hou have a bunch of machines that you maintain and you add
a new one once every couple of months, you may wish (just wish :) to
deal with the same kind of root filesystem on every computer.

Cheers again,

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[opensuse] AIGLX on openSUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Sorin Peste
I'm writing to ask about AIGLX support in openSUSE 10.1 and 10.2. According
to an older e-mail on opensuse-factory
(http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-08/msg00460.html), this is
not planned; however, the German wiki has a HOWTO for setting up AIGLX
(http://de.opensuse.org/AIGLX). I couldn't find it in any other language. My
deutsch is quite rusty, so I can't make out which openSUSE version allows
this. Can anyone help me?

Thanks,
Sorin



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Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread JJ Gitties
On 11/13/06, ted leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I agree, i like to see the feed back in the group to see how thecommunity is taking it.Not in this group buddy. Over here the lemmings prefer to stay focused and keep it a "team effort" as they jump off the cliff. 
-- jjgitties,"*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend."


Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:48, Geoffrey wrote:
> TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> > S A
> >
> > I found a good solution, here is the command:
> >
> > ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
>
> Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)
>
> I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work.
> file2.txt will likely end up empty.

No, it won't. When cat is given command-line file name arguments it 
ignores the standard input.

But this is a poor construction. Others have given the information the 
OP needs, which is to learn about the "tee" command.


> ...


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Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread JJ Gitties
On 11/14/06, Lev Lafayette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:25 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote:> You underestimate people.>> I work in an enterprise with less than a thousand people.  Because of> those people, we went from a Word Perfect shop to a MS Office shop.
> Why, because they ran it at home.  People see Microsoft advertising> everywhere, and that's what drives their decisions.  I'd wager no one,> and I mean no one, at our organization has ever heard of Ubuntu, or most
> any other flavor of Linux.  Worse yet, the CEOs haven't either.  Do you> think they run MS because it's technically superior?  To the contrary,> MS failings are widely publicized, and it's STILL dominant.  You expect
> those people to choose Linux?>Just for the record, when Linux Users Victoria did their SoftwareFreedom Day walk around Melbourne handing out Ubuntu CDs, not only werepeople aware of Linux, they were also aware of Ubuntu as a distribution.
Maybe that's just Melbourne, but I think it's more general. So I'll takeyou up on your wager. Gentleman's bet of course. Run a survey of yourless than 1,000 people and I bet you $1 that, apart from yourself,
someone has heard of Ubuntu.Ball in your court,People have heard of Linux. But people like their computers to work all the time and they really like it even more when the computer does no change on them.  Regular joe user gets heart palpitations when the "web browser" icon that launchers their web browsers gets moved from the top left to the top right hand of the screen. They really don't like it when their entire system does a 180 degree turn on them that they didn't ask for.  People are creatures of habit and they like what they are used to. 
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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing

Hi,

It sure works, and I tried it myself. the pipe operator | takes the 
output of the certain command and Input it to the other command.


When saying ls > file1.txt, this will create a list of folders inside 
the file1.txt
cat file1.txt will list the contents of file1.txt and take the output to 
file2.txt


Regards,..

TheOldWiseKing

Geoffrey wrote:

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt


Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work. 
file2.txt will likely end up empty.


Maybe you meant:

ls > file1.txt; cat file1.txt > file2.txt

What you really want as someone else mentioned is a tee as in:

ls |tee file1.txt > file2.txt

It's a lot cleaner and probably more efficient.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Sandy Drobic

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:


Fixed now. Happy? :)

Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)

7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
to poll my ISP for new mail).
It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).


The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.


Usual advice is to use "relay" as transport for outgoing mail, so that 
incoming smtp connections do not use up all allowed smtp connections or 
vice versa.


Sandy
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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Geoffrey

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt


Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work. 
file2.txt will likely end up empty.


Maybe you meant:

ls > file1.txt; cat file1.txt > file2.txt

What you really want as someone else mentioned is a tee as in:

ls |tee file1.txt > file2.txt

It's a lot cleaner and probably more efficient.

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[opensuse] Mail's getting betterer and betterer....

2006-11-14 Thread Basil Chupin
No mail from anything-suse for over 5 hours now - and I do not believe 
that no posts have made in this period. What's going on?


Cheers.

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox & RPM

2006-11-14 Thread Juergen Weigert
On Nov 14, 06 06:54:48 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > Enter MIME Type application/x-rpm and extension rpm, select the
> > action you want, click OK to create the file type, and OK to save the
> > preferences.
> 
> This will work, but when the browser is forced to base a dispensation 
> decision on the file name suffix you cannot have to treatments for a 
> given suffix, so if a RealPlayer ".rpm" stream comes along, it will get 
> saved as a download. And URLs that don't actually have a suffix can't 
> behandled.
> 
> The only truly effective way is to get the server to supply a MIME type.

.rpm files should be downlaoded by the browser, then the 'file' utility can
be easily used to see if this is an installable software package, or a link
to streaming media.

.rpm files for realplayer are usually only a few lines of plain text.
They do not contain the video stream itself.

cheers,
Jw.

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Geoffrey

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:48, Geoffrey wrote:

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt

Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work.
file2.txt will likely end up empty.


No, it won't. When cat is given command-line file name arguments it 
ignores the standard input.


Yes, sometimes it will.  Do you think I posted without testing it myself?

Results are unreliable. I tried this 10 times, twice file2.txt was 
empty, the other 8 it contained the same data as file1.txt.  Cut and 
paste from my latest attempt:


rhws -> ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
rhws -> ls -l file?.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file1.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file2.txt

I'll not explain why this happens, but it has to do with the improper 
use of the pipe symbol.  If you research how the command line is parsed 
you will understand why the results is unrealiable.  The bottom line is, 
you don't want that solution, tee is your friend here.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail's getting betterer and betterer....

2006-11-14 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Wednesday, November 15, 2006 at 02:26:43, Basil Chupin wrote:

> No mail from anything-suse for over 5 hours now - and I do not believe 
> that no posts have made in this period. What's going on?

The last mail before yours is from 15:25 GMT. And in the last 5 hours we
had ~30 mails on this list.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/date5.html

Henne

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Geoffrey

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:16, Geoffrey wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:48, Geoffrey wrote:

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt

Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will
work. file2.txt will likely end up empty.

No, it won't. When cat is given command-line file name arguments it
ignores the standard input.

Yes, sometimes it will.  Do you think I posted without testing it
myself?


What I said was true. As was the result you report.


No, you said "No, it won't", my results indicate it will.  See your own 
words above.



Results are unreliable. I tried this 10 times, twice file2.txt was
empty, the other 8 it contained the same data as file1.txt.  Cut and
paste from my latest attempt:


Had I stopped to think about it a moment longer, I'd have seen the 
problem.


The shell launches every command in a pipeline concurrently. That means 
the cat command in that pipeline can easily run before the ls completes 
and thus get thing from total ls output to partial output to none at 
all.




rhws -> ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
rhws -> ls -l file?.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file1.txt
-rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file2.txt

I'll not explain why this happens,


But I did, above.


but it has to do with the improper 
use of the pipe symbol.  If you research how the command line is

parsed you will understand why the results is unrealiable.  The
bottom line is, you don't want that solution, tee is your friend
here.


It's not so much the parsing as it is the execution. And it's not 
an "improper" use, just an unuseful one.


Come on, there will be no output to standard out by 'ls > file1.txt' so 
it's not proper usage.  It can produce unwanted results.  What more do 
you need to say it's improper usage?  Argue for the sake of arguing?


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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:16, Geoffrey wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:48, Geoffrey wrote:
> >> TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> >>> S A
> >>>
> >>> I found a good solution, here is the command:
> >>>
> >>> ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
> >>
> >> Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)
> >>
> >> I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will
> >> work. file2.txt will likely end up empty.
> >
> > No, it won't. When cat is given command-line file name arguments it
> > ignores the standard input.
>
> Yes, sometimes it will.  Do you think I posted without testing it
> myself?

What I said was true. As was the result you report.


> Results are unreliable. I tried this 10 times, twice file2.txt was
> empty, the other 8 it contained the same data as file1.txt.  Cut and
> paste from my latest attempt:

Had I stopped to think about it a moment longer, I'd have seen the 
problem.

The shell launches every command in a pipeline concurrently. That means 
the cat command in that pipeline can easily run before the ls completes 
and thus get thing from total ls output to partial output to none at 
all.


> rhws -> ls > file1.txt | cat file1.txt > file2.txt
> rhws -> ls -l file?.txt
> -rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file1.txt
> -rw-r--r--  1 esoteric esoteric 14168 Nov 14 10:11 file2.txt
>
> I'll not explain why this happens,

But I did, above.


> but it has to do with the improper 
> use of the pipe symbol.  If you research how the command line is
> parsed you will understand why the results is unrealiable.  The
> bottom line is, you don't want that solution, tee is your friend
> here.

It's not so much the parsing as it is the execution. And it's not 
an "improper" use, just an unuseful one.

But it's clear "tee" is the tool for the OP's purpose.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail's getting betterer and betterer....

2006-11-14 Thread Pete Connolly
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 15:26, Basil Chupin wrote:
> No mail from anything-suse for over 5 hours now - and I do not believe
> that no posts have made in this period. What's going on?
>
> Cheers.

List emails are getting through to the UK just fine, so I don't think it's a 
list server problem.

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:53, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sure works, and I tried it myself. the pipe operator | takes the
> output of the certain command and Input it to the other command.
>
> When saying ls > file1.txt, this will create a list of folders inside
> the file1.txt
> cat file1.txt will list the contents of file1.txt and take the output to
> file2.txt

It might work and it might not, but either way it is an improper use of the 
pipe. When you want to say "first run command1 then command 2" you should use

command1 && command2

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[opensuse] Transfer log i Konqueror?

2006-11-14 Thread Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no


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Re: [opensuse] Transfer log i Konqueror?

2006-11-14 Thread Goksin Akdeniz
Hi Randall,
>
> Is this a problem on my end, or was the message itself malformed or
> invalid in some way?
>
I suppose a corrupt message. I had the same warning.

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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:59, Geoffrey wrote:
> ...
> >
> >> but it has to do with the improper
> >> use of the pipe symbol.  If you research how the command line is
> >> parsed you will understand why the results is unrealiable.  The
> >> bottom line is, you don't want that solution, tee is your friend
> >> here.
> >
> > It's not so much the parsing as it is the execution. And it's not
> > an "improper" use, just an unuseful one.
>
> Come on, there will be no output to standard out by 'ls > file1.txt'
> so it's not proper usage.

As used, the pipe in that command line is equivalent to an ampersand, 
that's all.


> It can produce unwanted results.  What 
> more do you need to say it's improper usage?

If it were "improper," the shell would tell you. Otherwise, like most 
computer programs, it assumes you meant what you said, since it has 
little recourse but to do so.


> Argue for the sake of arguing?

Well, clearly that's all you're doing. And you're doing it too 
disrespectfully to even trim the quotations in the process.


RRS
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Re: [opensuse] Activating routes

2006-11-14 Thread J Sloan


James Mohr wrote:
> Hi All!
> 
> This is a pretty basic question and I am almost embarrassed to ask. I have 
> SUSE 10.0 Pro and configured a route in /etc/sysconfig/network/routes.  I 
> have been digging through the scripts under /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts, 
> looking for a means to activate this route without having to run 
> "/etc/init.d/network restart". Doing that does not seem to be a problem, but 
> it seems to be overkill. Any info is appreaciated.

ip route change default via 
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Re: [opensuse] Re: [SLE] Novell-Microsoft: What They Aren't Telling You

2006-11-14 Thread M Harris
On Saturday 11 November 2006 22:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> . . .  software _is not_ text. It is mechanism. It is logic. It is
> ideas. Text is only the way it is externalized from its point of
> conception in a human mind (or, in some cases, from another program).
 No...

 Software is *only* text. Software is not an idea, a mechanism, or logic. 

 Software text is *the way* (means by which) logic, ideas, and intended 
human conception is transferred to a *patentable* mechanism. 

 What may be patented (in my view) is the mechanism... which includes the 
microprocessor hardware and its associated binary instruction set. What may 
not be patented (in my view) is the software text which is used to convey 
human conception to an interpreter (or compiler) for the express purpose of 
generating processor instructions to manipulate the patentable processor 
hardware. The software text is *never* executed... it is always read 
(obliterated in the transfer) and translated for the mechanism. The mechanism 
*never sees* the software text... because it is, text not machine 
instructions.

 This is analogous to the script produced by a playwrite. The script is 
not the mechanism, the emotion, the dance, the music it must be 
interpretted by the dancers, the actors, the musicians in order to come alive 
in mechanism and emotion. Plays are protected by copyright. So it is with 
computer software text. Software text must be translated (compiled or 
interpretted in some way) in order to come alive in logic, mechanism, and 
useful function. Software text may be protected (in my view) by copyright, or 
better yet by copyleft.

 Consider the following software text:

 for (i=0; i<=9; i++) {
;
 }

 I intend this text to be translated into machine instructions by a 
compiler or interpretter--- instructions which may or may not eventually be 
executed on a real processor chip. These three lines of software text convey 
the idea (human conception) of looping through a nop instruction ten times 
essentially doing nothing except progressing through a loop counter. These 
three lines of software text are twenty(20) symbols arranged for human 
capacity by the use of white space and will *never* see the registers of a 
patentable mechanism. These lines are not logic, not mechanism, not 
executable, and are not patentable (in my view). These three lines are *only* 
text. 

 I have written software text for over twenty years... most of it for 
commercial application (though some for my own hobby interest). All of it 
(except the machine code I produced for my Vic20) was produced through a text 
editor, and some of it was produced through a word processor... like plays, 
and recipes, and instructions for building a balsa wood glider. Patents are 
not appropriate for text of any kind... including software.




 

 


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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:12, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 16:53, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > It sure works, and I tried it myself. the pipe operator | takes the
> > output of the certain command and Input it to the other command.
> >
> > When saying ls > file1.txt, this will create a list of folders
> > inside the file1.txt
> > cat file1.txt will list the contents of file1.txt and take the
> > output to file2.txt
>
> It might work and it might not, but either way it is an improper use
> of the pipe. When you want to say "first run command1 then command 2"
> you should use
>
> command1 && command2

Just to be clear (and I know you know this, Anders, but others may not), 
the semicolon is unconditional sequencing regardless of how the first 
command exits or terminates, the second command is executed. The 
double-ampersand make the execution of the second command contingent 
upon normal termination and a successful exit status (0) from the first 
command.


> Anders


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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Thanks, Joe,

Maybe a mix-up on terminalogy used.

I did restart firewall by invoking
 
  /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_init restart 

and 
  
  /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_setup restart

I shall have to wait until the next time the problem strikes again
to see if I have nailed the problem.  Did try before with chkstat -set
/etc/permissions
but that didn't help - so thought it was a firewall issue triggered by
YOU updates.

Thanks a lot.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Joe Morris (NTM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 14 November 2006 01:26
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
> Restarting firewall (by invokine /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_init and 
> SuSEfirewall2_setup restart alone) will NOT reactivate the service.  
> Access is only restored after flushing the firewall and restarting it.
>
> Has anyone come across the same problem?
>
> Any pointers here?
>   
Since you seem to indicate it IS a firewall issue, and not a PAM issue,
I would suggest doing what many of us are doing (but which seems to be a
bug), and that is SuSEfirewall2 stop, then SuSEfirewall2 start, which
for me has always worked.  For some reasons unknown to me (and since the
fix was just as easy) this seems to flush the rules and works better
than a restart.  YMMV.  HTH.

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Re: [opensuse] Need gnome-pilot applet update

2006-11-14 Thread Simon Roberts
- Original Message 
From: James Ogley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> For 10.1 I would suggest rebuilding a source rpm of gnome-pilot (and
> probably pilot-link) from 10.2

And keeping an eye on http://repos.opensuse.org/GNOME:/STABLE too.

--

Hmm, I don't see any gnome applets in that set at all, source or otherwise? Am 
I missing something?
 
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man is wise by his questions." — Naguib Mahfouz





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Re: [opensuse] Re: [SLE] Novell-Microsoft: What They Aren't Telling You

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:59, M Harris wrote:
> On Saturday 11 November 2006 22:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > . . .  software _is not_ text. It is mechanism. It is logic. It is
> > ideas. Text is only the way it is externalized from its point of
> > conception in a human mind (or, in some cases, from another
> > program).
>
>  No...
>
>  Software is *only* text. Software is not an idea, a mechanism,
> or logic.

You couldn't be more wrong, but I don't care to teach you undergraduate 
computer science.

Persist in your willful misconception.


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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Geoffrey

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:59, Geoffrey wrote:

...

but it has to do with the improper
use of the pipe symbol.  If you research how the command line is
parsed you will understand why the results is unrealiable.  The
bottom line is, you don't want that solution, tee is your friend
here.

It's not so much the parsing as it is the execution. And it's not
an "improper" use, just an unuseful one.

Come on, there will be no output to standard out by 'ls > file1.txt'
so it's not proper usage.


As used, the pipe in that command line is equivalent to an ampersand, 
that's all.


For the sake of the original poster, HE DOES NOT REALIZE THAT.  So why 
lead him down such a path?  Teach people to use the tools right.


It can produce unwanted results.  What 
more do you need to say it's improper usage?


If it were "improper," the shell would tell you. Otherwise, like most 
computer programs, it assumes you meant what you said, since it has 
little recourse but to do so.


The pipe does not serve the purpose the original poster intended.  You 
are simply clouding the issue by continuing the discourse.  Further, the 
proper intention of the pipe is to accept input from a process.  The 
leading process is not sending any input.



Argue for the sake of arguing?


Well, clearly that's all you're doing. And you're doing it too 
disrespectfully to even trim the quotations in the process.


Brother.  Deflect the issue to something totally unrelated.

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Until later, Geoffrey

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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Re: [opensuse] Viewing Info Files in Konqueror

2006-11-14 Thread Goksin Akdeniz
>   Open 'info:/a2ps/Important parameters'?
>   Type: HTML Document
>
Did you check the file associations? I had Konqueor as the first application 
to handle such formats of HTML and so on. 

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox & RPM

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:56, Juergen Weigert wrote:
> ...
>
> .rpm files should be downlaoded by the browser, then the 'file'
> utility can be easily used to see if this is an installable software
> package, or a link to streaming media.

That's overly manual, is it not? Computers should not require humans to 
tell them what kind of data they have in hand, at least not in normal 
operating scenarios.


> .rpm files for realplayer are usually only a few lines of plain text.
> They do not contain the video stream itself.

The question is not what kind of bytes are in the resource retrieved, 
but rather how to handle them. Redhat Package Manager RPM files are 
usually to be downloaded, but I think Konqueror can handle them via a 
plug-in of some sort. RealPlayer's ".rpm" files can be handled by 
browser plug-ins.

Thus, the browser needs to know the _type_ of the resource in order to 
handle it properly. Inference of type based on name suffix is 
ambiguous, hence the problem.


> cheers,
> Jw.


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Re: [opensuse] Viewing Info Files in Konqueror

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hello again,

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> I've recently begun to get some odd behavior from Konqueror when I
> use it as an info file viewer.
>
> Specifically, I enter an "info:" URL (say, info:a2ps) and I see the
> main page, complete with links. But when I click any of those links
> I'm not shown the corresponding secondary page. Instead, I get an
> alert asking me how to handle the target of the link:
>
>   Open 'info:/a2ps/Important parameters'?
>   Type: HTML Document
>
>   [] Do not ask again
>
>   [Save As...] [Open with Firefox...] [Cancel]

If it sheds some light on this, I've discovered that "KDevelop 
Assistant" does not have this problem, even though it appears to be 
sharing some components with Konqueror (specifically, the rendering 
looks very similar).

So I have a work-around (KDevelop Assistant), but I'm still curious 
about why Konqueror has developed this system which it did not have in 
the past.


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[opensuse] Qt4 sql plugins does not work!?

2006-11-14 Thread Stefan Sander
Hi,

Whats the reason libqt4 sql plugins have a different version then the core qt4 
libs?

I tried compiling a simple qt4 app using QtSql with no succes.
Error Message is always:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded
QSqlDatabase: available drivers:
Could not open db QSqlError(-1, "Driver not loaded", "Driver not loaded")

*> rpm -qa libqt*
libqt4-x11-4.2.0-21.1
libqt4-sql-4.2.0-21.1
libqt4-devel-doc-4.2.0-21.1
libqt4-4.2.0-21.1
libqt4-qt3support-4.2.0-21.1
libqt4-sql-mysql-4.2.1-3.2
libqt4-devel-4.2.0-21.1

My ~/.config/Trolltech.conf
[Qt%20Plugin%20Cache%204.2.false]
usr\lib\qt4\plugins\sqldrivers\libqsqlmysql.so=40201, 0, i686 Linux g++-4 
full-config, 2006-11-11T13:16:02

Regards
Stefan
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