[opensuse-factory] Out of memory - endless loop

2006-11-14 Thread Hans Witvliet
Gents,

I know  that in certain circles, PHP has not a good
reputation( security) Untill know, i had never any problems.

I have a machine, not directly connected to the Net, and the only php
application on it is cacti.

Yesterday, coming home i found the machine unresponsive, it did reply to
ping, but that was all i could see (console dead, no reply to ssh)

After rebooting i found this in messages (below).
This section of messages repeated about hundred times
Is this a know feature of 10.1??

If there's a runaway process, too bad, that's life, it can happen.
But ending up in an endless loop is not good at all.
As it states free swap = 0kb it looks like a kernel process has eaten
all the mem, and that php gives the final trigger!

As it only happened once: i'll guess it's not reproducable.

Hans
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nov 13 18:55:01 fw3 /usr/sbin/cron[963]: (wwwrun) CMD (
php /usr/share/cacti/poller.php  /dev/null)
Nov 13 19:00:01 fw3 /usr/sbin/cron[998]: (wwwrun) CMD (
php /usr/share/cacti/poller.php  /dev/null)
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: printk: 504 messages suppressed.
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel:
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: Call Trace: 8015ae11{out_of_memory
+53} 8015cc81{__alloc_pages+552}
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel:
8015e4af{__do_page_cache_readahead+149}
802ceaf4{thread_return+0}
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel:8015a477{filemap_nopage
+323} 80164b59{__handle_mm_fault+911}
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel:802d1f7e{do_page_fault+965}
8018c9c7{sys_select+795}
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel:8010b449{error_exit+0}
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: Mem-info:
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA per-cpu:
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: cpu 0 hot: high 0, batch 1 used:0
Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: cpu 0 cold: high 0, batch 1 used:0
Nov 13 19:05:12 fw3 kernel: cpu 1 hot: high 0, batch 1 used:0
Nov 13 19:05:13 fw3 kernel: cpu 1 cold: high 0, batch 1 used:0
Nov 13 19:05:13 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA32 per-cpu:
Nov 13 19:05:13 fw3 kernel: cpu 0 hot: high 186, batch 31 used:20
Nov 13 19:05:13 fw3 kernel: cpu 0 cold: high 62, batch 15 used:24
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: cpu 1 hot: high 186, batch 31 used:8
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: cpu 1 cold: high 62, batch 15 used:61
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: Node 0 Normal per-cpu: empty
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: Node 0 HighMem per-cpu: empty
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: Free pages:8016kB (0kB HighMem)
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: Active:104983 inactive:112014 dirty:0
writeback:0 unstable:0 free:2004 slab:13709 mapped:204535
pagetables:15090
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA free:4016kB min:44kB low:52kB
high:64kB active:3400kB inactive:3208kB present:12056kB
pages_scanned:16107 all_unreclaimable? yes
Nov 13 19:05:14 fw3 kernel: lowmem_reserve[]: 0 993 993 993
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA32 free:4000kB min:4008kB
low:5008kB high:6012kB active:416532kB inactive:444848kB
present:1017828kB pages_scanned:2416680 all_unreclaimable? yes
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB
high:0kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0
all_unreclaimable? no
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 /usr/sbin/cron[1069]: (wwwrun) CMD (
php /usr/share/cacti/poller.php  /dev/null)
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:128kB
high:128kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0
all_unreclaimable? no
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA: 0*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 1*32kB 0*64kB
1*128kB 1*256kB 1*512kB 1*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 4016kB
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 DMA32: 0*4kB 2*8kB 7*16kB 1*32kB
0*64kB 4*128kB 1*256kB 2*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 4000kB
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 Normal: empty
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Node 0 HighMem: empty
Nov 13 19:05:15 fw3 kernel: Swap cache: add 420648, delete 420648, find
82842/99473, race 0+39
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: Free swap  = 0kB
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: Total swap = 1052248kB
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: Free swap:0kB
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: 262080 pages of RAM
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: 5020 reserved pages
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: 9462 pages shared
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: 0 pages swap cached
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: Out of Memory: Kill process 32061 (php)
score 62063 and children.
Nov 13 19:05:16 fw3 kernel: Out of memory: Killed process 32065 (php).
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Out of memory - endless loop

2006-11-14 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Hans Witvliet wrote:
 Gents,
 
 I know  that in certain circles, PHP has not a good
 reputation( security) Untill know, i had never any problems.

PHP has problems, but the biggest problem is the code quality of the
applications written on it.


 Nov 13 19:05:11 fw3 kernel: Call Trace: 8015ae11{out_of_memory
 +53} 8015cc81{__alloc_pages+552}

This is a kernel crash that is most likely caused by something that ahs
nothing to do with PHP.

How can I reproduce it ? ( step By step ? )



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Re: [opensuse-factory] lua50 not synced out

2006-11-14 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Andreas Hanke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,

 I have a problem with the following two bugs:

 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=217875
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219773

 The former is not properly fixed and needs to be reopened, but the
 latter prevents me from working on a solution.

 Would it be possible to get lua50 synced out on the next opportunity?
 It's missing since it exists (~4 weeks according to my crystal ball).

We're looking into this now, thanks for the report,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] VMWare-Config [was: Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated]

2006-11-14 Thread Dominique Leuenberger


 Reply on 14-11-2006 13:00:22 
 I installed another 10.1 for this test. VMware-tools installs there, no problem with the kernel modules.   Anyway, what I wanted to see was if the tools would work any better in 10.2 than the have so far in Linux.  The windows client can run in its window and the cursor can go in and out of the window when tools are installed. Can you confirm this function working when running SUSE as guest?  This has not been the case here. The cursor needs to be released from the guest window by pressing Ctrl+Alt if the tools are there or not.  So the tools in case of SUSE as guest are useless anyway. The display properties can be adjusted just as fine with or without the tools, so I'm not too worried about the tools.  Also if I run a remote session to that guest SUSE with FreeNX, the window works as any other window.  Tools = no biggie :)
No, I can not confirm this. This still seems not to work with Linux Guests (I don't think it's specific to SUSE).
So the tools are really limited in usability...

Also the clipboard copy/paste functionaltity, which would be VERY handy, seems not to work (VM WS 5.5 on Win Host)

Dominique


Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Dominique Leuenberger


 Reply on 14-11-2006 15:16:24  Hi,  looking at  http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Management#Package_source_directories_on_t he_servers  it seems that there is no agreement on how to name a 'software repository', 'installation source', 'catalog', 'channel', whatever ;-)  I'm hereby asking the community to come forward with a proposal for a proper name. 
Klaus,

I think the problem arised especially from the different tools to manage these 'things'
yum - repositories
smart - channels
yast - installation sources
rug/zmd - catalogs

(But I'm sure you knew this)

I for myself always use the wording 'repository', which is also very reflected on the BuildService (repos.opensuse.org).

But probably just a usability question. But I agree, it would be nice to have these wordings unified, but again: this will be VERY difficult when you explain the users how to use a specific program and they come with specific problems.

Dominique


[opensuse-factory] Grub Bugs

2006-11-14 Thread Juan Erbes

Tha last week, I have made a installation in a new har disk with 10.2
beta 1, and later upgraded to beta 2. Later I has cloned the hard
disk, and when I boot from the 1st cd of beta 1 to correct and repair
the grub installation, I could'nt add other OS residing in other hard
disk, and the yast/grub utilitý do'nt let me add the disk and
partition from the other OS.
Later, I tryied to repair grub with the 1st Cd of SuseLinux 10.1(from
the box), and the config utility works ok, but it coul'nt write the
changes to the disks.

I made a search in bugzila with the grub keyword, and I found 21
with the status NEW, about 60 ASSIGNED, and 19 with NEEDINFO status.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=grubx=17y=4

How can I deal with this problem?
Registering a new bug, I mean is'nt a solution

Thanks
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated

2006-11-14 Thread Vahis
Vahis wrote:
 Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
   
  

 
 Reply on 13-11-2006 16:00:21  Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
   
 Hi everybody,

 I just posted bugzilla
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220384
 
 Just installed Beta 2 in a VMware.

 In order to compile the Tools, the Kernel Header include files are
 quired.
 Installed the package 'linux-kernel-headers', but they are from an
 older kernel
 (2.6.18-13, while installed kernel is 2.6.18.2-4)

 Also in factroy tree, linux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.18-13
 

 Severity is set to normal at the moment, even though it should be
 
 much
   
 higher (but I assume as reporter I should not change that)

 OR: Did I  miss something completely different? (that would render
 
 that
   
 bugzilla report invalid?

 Regards,
 Dominique
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 I have seen this vmware-tools/kernel header not matching  -problem
 discussed in several groups and forums concerning several distros in
 addition to SUSE. And not just rpm based ones. As for SUSE it has been
 discussed already during the 9.x series.

 But I have still not found a solutions for it. I sure would like to see
 a solution how to install the vmwaretools properly :)

 Although this is obviously not quite the right place, I'd like to use
 the opportunity to ask for any pointers to this matter.

   
 Vahis,
  
 please read the Bugzilla Followup. I'm sorry for the noise I did. But
 it seems it's not the package linux-kernel-headers that is required,
 but the whole kernel-source.
  
 After installing that package, I was able to run
 vmware-config-tools.pl without any problems.
  
 Regards,
 Dominique
 
 I installed another 10.1 for this test. VMware-tools installs there, no
 problem with the kernel modules.


 Anyway, what I wanted to see was if the tools would work any better in
 10.2 than the have so far in Linux.

 The windows client can run in its window and the cursor can go in and
 out of the window when tools are installed. Can you confirm this
 function working when running SUSE as guest?

 This has not been the case here. The cursor needs to be released from
 the guest window by pressing Ctrl+Alt if the tools are there or not.

 So the tools in case of SUSE as guest are useless anyway. The display
 properties can be adjusted just as fine with or without the tools, so
 I'm not too worried about the tools.

 Also if I run a remote session to that guest SUSE with FreeNX, the
 window works as any other window.

 Tools = no biggie :)
  

   
Nevertheless the tools, but I came to think why it perhaps does not compile.

I installed a real vmware server on a real host machine running 10.2 beta2.
There weren't any probs.

I haven't installed any virtual machines on that yet, but I guess the
server should be like the tools in that matter.

So I think maybe this problem with the vmware-tools not compiling comes
from the fact that my guest machine was built with the
http://www.easyvmx.com/ service. It's fake

It's not installed from a real vmware workstation like they used to be
when I made the instructions on my site.

http://waxborg.pp.fi/mobile/articles/vmware.html

Anything to confirm this?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Software test plans

2006-11-14 Thread Peter Flodin

On 11/14/06, JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


bugzilla.novell.com now has testopia 1.1 as well and there is some
testing going on with that, could be a route forward.



Yes, I think that Testopia will be very useful to allow community beta
testers to contribute further to the formal QA test cycle, and as I
learn more I will document on http://en.opensuse.org/testing

As some of the emails to this thread have shown, there are people just
sitting at home wishing to help, they just need some guidance. And I
think there is room for the casual tester who just wants a quick test
to run through. I do not really know enough yet, but I think Testopia
may be a bit heavy for those users, and may provide an initial hurdle.

So I can see Wiki based testplans for new and casual users to be more
of a guide than formal test plans and then if testers want to give
more time they can graduate to actually doing official test runs of
the Testopia testplans and record results against them in the
bugzilla.

Pflodo
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[opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Klaus Kaempf
Hi,

looking at

http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Management#Package_source_directories_on_the_servers

it seems that there is no agreement on how to name a 'software repository',
'installation source', 'catalog', 'channel', whatever ;-)

I'm hereby asking the community to come forward with a proposal for a proper
name.


Klaus
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal on metadata fetching

2006-11-14 Thread Dominique Leuenberger


 Reply on 14-11-2006 15:34:53 
  For a detailed search do not download metadata but query a server. E.g if im  looking for the string "foobar" and content cannot be found in the local  metadatafile, Suse should not download further metadata, but contact an  official server, which does the search.  I do not know, what kind of server we need, if 10 or 100 thousends of clients  will start search queries, but I think this may be faster, than fetching so  much metadata all the time. I also do not know how many data must be uploaded  in order to get this system working, so maybe it's a very bad idea and not  realizeable, but perhaps there is a chance.
Marcel,

The idea of only having the RPM names / Summary is not bad IMHO. (maybe having an option for the user to decide HOW he would like to add the repo?)

The thing with the search engine sounds fascinating, but I don't think it's possible to realize: just think about all the repos that exist out there. How could they possibly EVER be included in a search? And in plus, the server you query should know in which repos to have a look, as obviously it should only offer packages from repos, you're subscribed to.

Dominique


Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal on metadata fetching

2006-11-14 Thread Andreas Hanke
Marcel Hilzinger schrieb:
 The big difference between Suse and Debian/Ubuntu is, that under Suse much 
 more data get's fetched. So you can also search within package-descriptions 
 etc, whereas under Ubuntu you have only package-names and files, but no 
 description e.g. For a more detailed search you need apt-file. I think 
 apt-file is compearable to the actual suse solution.

As a starting point, the YaST2 metadata could be compressed. Debian does
that since ever, but YaST2 metadata were never compressed.

The packages file in Factory is currently at 16 MB, a good bzip2
compression reduces it to 1.8 MB - almost 90% gone.

I think that this should really be considered first because it is
possible entirely without functionality loss and without complicating
the architecture too much.

The thing with the patterns for unneeded architectures is more a
cosmetic thing because the pattern files are very small. But many users
notice it because YaST displays the filenames of the downloaded metadata.

For YUM metadata, there is not much to do because they are already
compressed and it's a standardized format - it can be extended, but
not changed in incompatible ways.

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[opensuse-factory] Proposal on metadata fetching

2006-11-14 Thread Marcel Hilzinger
Beta2 is much better than 10.1 concerning the speed of the package manager. 
But as mentioned by other users already it's still far behind debian 
concerning the speed of fetching metadata. Adding factory as an installation 
source takes at least 15 minutes with an average DSL connection.

The big difference between Suse and Debian/Ubuntu is, that under Suse much 
more data get's fetched. So you can also search within package-descriptions 
etc, whereas under Ubuntu you have only package-names and files, but no 
description e.g. For a more detailed search you need apt-file. I think 
apt-file is compearable to the actual suse solution.

My proposal (for 10.3 etc):

Reduce downloaded metadata to package-names and RPM-content. Do not fetch 
descriptions, etc. Most users know the name of the file/RMP they want to 
install. An error tolerant search can help finding the right package.

For a detailed search do not download metadata but query a server. E.g if im 
looking for the string foobar and content cannot be found in the local 
metadatafile, Suse should not download further metadata, but contact an 
official server, which does the search.

I do not know, what kind of server we need, if 10 or 100 thousends of clients 
will start search queries, but I think this may be faster, than fetching so 
much metadata all the time. I also do not know how many data must be uploaded 
in order to get this system working, so maybe it's a very bad idea and not 
realizeable, but perhaps there is a chance.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Karl Eichwalder
James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You mean you don't want a big pile of unmaintainable patches changing
 every instance of 'channel' to 'repository'?  Why-ever not? ;)
[...]
 I add mine, +1 for repository.

If you are looking for something new, try (software) directory.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Robert Schiele [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 03:19:19PM +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
 James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  You mean you don't want a big pile of unmaintainable patches changing
  every instance of 'channel' to 'repository'?  Why-ever not? ;)
 [...]
  I add mine, +1 for repository.
 
 If you are looking for something new, try (software) directory.

 Or to be even more innovative: Make this a configure option in YaST.

Yeah, but let's avoid the term source (as in installation
source)--that's too closely coupled with source code.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Dominique Leuenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Nov 14. 2006 14:19]:
  
 I think the problem arised especially from the different tools to
 manage these 'things'
 yum - repositories
 smart - channels
 yast - installation sources
 rug/zmd - catalogs
  
 (But I'm sure you knew this)

;-)

We cannot change tools developed outside of the opeSUSE community.

But we do want to unify the wording for tools we develop like YaST,
zypper, opensuse-updater, etc.

  
 I for myself always use the wording 'repository', which is also very
 reflected on the BuildService (repos.opensuse.org).

I counted your vote ;-)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread James Ogley
 We cannot change tools developed outside of the opeSUSE community.

You mean you don't want a big pile of unmaintainable patches changing
every instance of 'channel' to 'repository'?  Why-ever not? ;)

  I for myself always use the wording 'repository', which is also very
  reflected on the BuildService (repos.opensuse.org).
 I counted your vote ;-)

I add mine, +1 for repository.
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[opensuse-factory] USB keyfob and sync

2006-11-14 Thread Jonathon M. Robison




I haven't yet braved 10.2 (I'm using 10.1 for daily desktop work), but I am curious:

On the last few versions, including 10.1, I have had to create a file /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/90-nosync.fdi which contains:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
deviceinfo version=0.2
 device
 !-- disable sync for mount --
 match key=block.is_volume bool=true
 match key=volume.fsusage string=filesystem
 match key=@info.parent:storage.bus string=usb
 merge key=volume.policy.mount_option.sync
type=boolfalse/merge
 /match
 /match
 /match
 /device
/deviceinfo

The purpose of course is to turn off sync on usb keyfobs because of the terrible throughput rate that results if sync is on. Has this been fixed for 10.2? Or will I need to create this file again if I upgrade?

--Jon Robison




Re: [opensuse-factory] amarok-helix

2006-11-14 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Marcel Hilzinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Has it been dropped totally? Under inst-source-nonoss there are only 
 helix-banshee packages, but no amarok.

Yes, we needed to reorganise our complete packaging for banshee and
amarok. We can only use the real codecs from Real - or Helix -
packages like Helix Banshee,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Gaim 2.0

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-11-14 16:14:20 +0100, Simon Strandman wrote:
 I want to suggest that gaim 2.0 is imported into factory beforce the RC. 
 I like it much more than 1.5 which is over a year old anyway (released 
 in august 2005). The current version is 2.0-beta5 but it's already 
 stable and the final version is soon to be released. Fedora 6 also ships 
 beta4.

latest rumors say the 2.0betas are buggy as usual.
spellchecking is said to be broken e.g. even for beta5.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] ok box

2006-11-14 Thread jdd

Lukas Ocilka a écrit :


So, here are some rules:

[ OK ] [ Cancel ]

[ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]

[ Abort ] [ Retry ]

[ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]

[ Yes ] [ No ]

[ Continue ] [ Cancel ]


abort and cancel are nearly the same, so

* why two words?
* why a different layout (abort on left, cancel on right)?

thanks

better have all this written. Consistency in the interface 
is of course not the first thing to do, but probably should 
be the second :-)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] ok box

2006-11-14 Thread Lukas Ocilka
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
 jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
 jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for
 OK, cancel, retry are not all the same.

 I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the
 left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the
 time the icons are only decoration.
 If those are in YaST: Please make screenshots and open a bugreport,
 well... what is the normal way? (not necessary to fill a bug report
 in that case)

 First case:

 cancel   retry  OK

 or second case

 OK  cancel  retry

 or???
 
 I don't remember :-(.  Jiri?

Actually, we have some non-written rules. Or they are written but
internally. Our plan is to release a wiki-based YaST Dialog Style Guide
but after openSUSE 10.2 is out.

So, here are some rules:

[ OK ] [ Cancel ]

[ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]

[ Abort ] [ Retry ]

[ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]

[ Yes ] [ No ]

[ Continue ] [ Cancel ]


Because these rules are still not officially 'written', it might be a
bit hard to file a bug against them :) ;)

Lukas



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[opensuse-factory] VIA GPU vs. oSL10.2B2

2006-11-14 Thread Kerti Balázs Gábor
Hello,

I have a mainboard based GPU (01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA
Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) ) and the
openSuSE Liux 10.2 Beta2 (x86_64) does not indentitify corectly it. The
frame buffer mode does not work, the sreen scrolling is brakeing - i
dont say better in english, sorry... 

Why do not setup via module (or, would be better, module for unicrome)
the Sax2?

Balazs

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Linux-Kernel-Headers outdated

2006-11-14 Thread Vahis
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
  

  Reply on 13-11-2006 16:00:21  Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
   Hi everybody,
   
   I just posted bugzilla
   https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220384
   
   Just installed Beta 2 in a VMware.
  
   In order to compile the Tools, the Kernel Header include files are
   quired.
   Installed the package 'linux-kernel-headers', but they are from an
   older kernel
   (2.6.18-13, while installed kernel is 2.6.18.2-4)
  
   Also in factroy tree, linux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.18-13
   
  
   Severity is set to normal at the moment, even though it should be
  much
   higher (but I assume as reporter I should not change that)
  
   OR: Did I  miss something completely different? (that would render
  that
   bugzilla report invalid?
  
   Regards,
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  I have seen this vmware-tools/kernel header not matching  -problem
  discussed in several groups and forums concerning several distros in
  addition to SUSE. And not just rpm based ones. As for SUSE it has been
  discussed already during the 9.x series.
 
  But I have still not found a solutions for it. I sure would like to see
  a solution how to install the vmwaretools properly :)
 
  Although this is obviously not quite the right place, I'd like to use
  the opportunity to ask for any pointers to this matter.
 
 Vahis,
  
 please read the Bugzilla Followup. I'm sorry for the noise I did. But
 it seems it's not the package linux-kernel-headers that is required,
 but the whole kernel-source.
  
 After installing that package, I was able to run
 vmware-config-tools.pl without any problems.
  
 Regards,
 Dominique
I installed another 10.1 for this test. VMware-tools installs there, no
problem with the kernel modules.


Anyway, what I wanted to see was if the tools would work any better in
10.2 than the have so far in Linux.

The windows client can run in its window and the cursor can go in and
out of the window when tools are installed. Can you confirm this
function working when running SUSE as guest?

This has not been the case here. The cursor needs to be released from
the guest window by pressing Ctrl+Alt if the tools are there or not.

So the tools in case of SUSE as guest are useless anyway. The display
properties can be adjusted just as fine with or without the tools, so
I'm not too worried about the tools.

Also if I run a remote session to that guest SUSE with FreeNX, the
window works as any other window.

Tools = no biggie :)
 

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Re: [opensuse-factory] ok box

2006-11-14 Thread Adrian Schröter
Am Tuesday 14 November 2006 17:57 schrieb jdd:
 Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
  So, here are some rules:
 
  [ OK ] [ Cancel ]
 
  [ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]
 
  [ Abort ] [ Retry ]
 
  [ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]
 
  [ Yes ] [ No ]
 
  [ Continue ] [ Cancel ]

 abort and cancel are nearly the same, so

 * why two words?
 * why a different layout (abort on left, cancel on right)?

it cames from the time, where Abort did close the complete YaST window 
and Cancel just canceld one action (esp. in a popup box).

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Mauricio Teixeira (netmask)
Em Ter, 2006-11-14 às 14:19 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger escreveu:

 smart - channels

Smart calls them channels in order to have a single name to avoid
confusion among the various ways of fetching/storing a file (not only
RPM).

I agree that for RPM the calling it 'repo' is much easier (and makes
sense since rpm-md uses a 'repomd' file and 'repodata' dir).

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[opensuse-factory] Software test plans

2006-11-14 Thread Claes Bäckström

Forgot to send to this list. Sorry for that.

On 11/14/06, Peter Flodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 11/14/06, JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 bugzilla.novell.com now has testopia 1.1 as well and there is some
 testing going on with that, could be a route forward.


Yes, I think that Testopia will be very useful to allow community beta
testers to contribute further to the formal QA test cycle, and as I
learn more I will document on http://en.opensuse.org/testing

As some of the emails to this thread have shown, there are people just
sitting at home wishing to help, they just need some guidance. And I
think there is room for the casual tester who just wants a quick test
to run through. I do not really know enough yet, but I think Testopia
may be a bit heavy for those users, and may provide an initial hurdle.


Why not start and test SyncML and OBEX.

Very nice guide:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSync/SyncML-OBEX-Client

Warm Regards,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] amarok-helix

2006-11-14 Thread Martin Schlander
Tirsdag 14 november 2006 16:18 skrev Andreas Jaeger:
 Yes, we needed to reorganise our complete packaging for banshee and
 amarok. We can only use the real codecs from Real - or Helix -
 packages like Helix Banshee,

Can as in Real will only allow.. or as in technical necessity?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] amarok-helix

2006-11-14 Thread Andreas Hanke
Martin Schlander schrieb:
 Can as in Real will only allow.. or as in technical necessity?

Look at banshee vs. helix-banshee and you'll see the reason.

Without knowing the exact background information, I guess that SUSE
would have been forced to rename Amarok to Helix Amarok, add a Helix
EULA on startup and add Helix branding.

The changelog of the amarok package cleary states that amarok-helix has
been disabled on purpose. Certainly not in order to annoy the users.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] amarok-helix

2006-11-14 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Andreas Hanke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Martin Schlander schrieb:
 Can as in Real will only allow.. or as in technical necessity?

 Look at banshee vs. helix-banshee and you'll see the reason.

 Without knowing the exact background information, I guess that SUSE
 would have been forced to rename Amarok to Helix Amarok, add a Helix
 EULA on startup and add Helix branding.

And we could not do so since we do not own the Amarok copyright - but
did own the banshee copyright...

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Font Funkiness

2006-11-14 Thread Mike FABIAN
Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] さんは書きました:

 Hi,

 I just witnessed an odd phenomenon and I'm wondering if it's a sign of a 
 problem or an aspect of the way font rendering operates (I can imagine 
 it either way).

 Specifically, I opened the Beagle window by clicking its tray icon. When 
 the window appears, the fonts were extremely ragged. I decided to take 
 a snapshot, so I used the system (KDE / Geeko) menu to launch 
 KSnapshot. I took a picture of the Beagle window. While I was doing so, 
 I was paying attention only to the KSnapshot interface and had 
 neglected to really watch the Beagle window. When I finally dismissed 
 the KSnapshot window (after capturing and saving the picture) I was 
 startled to see that the ragged font display had been replaced with a 
 properly smoothed one. I've seen the phenomenon repeat itself after 
 this first instance (again in the Beagle GUI).


 So my question is this: Is this a bug or is there some kind of 
 asynchronous rendering of smoothed fonts that sometimes leads to a 
 ragged font display upon first use of a given font but which is later 
 replaced with the smoothed version, once the smoothed glyphs have been 
 rendered?

This might be the following bug:

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=193095

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How to name that 'thing' ?

2006-11-14 Thread Sid Boyce

Klaus Kaempf wrote:

Hi,

looking at

http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Management#Package_source_directories_on_the_servers

it seems that there is no agreement on how to name a 'software repository',
'installation source', 'catalog', 'channel', whatever ;-)

I'm hereby asking the community to come forward with a proposal for a proper
name.


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I'd vote for repository.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Deselecting Zenworks

2006-11-14 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello,

Am Sonntag, 12. November 2006 12:34 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
 Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I found deselecting Zenworks and selecting instead the lightweight
  alternative to Zenworks did not prevent the ubiquitous Zenworks
  from being installed. Note the red icon along side the deselected
  Zenworks is defined as Taboo-Never Install
 
  I know this has already been reported but I think this is
  potentially very serious at this late stage of testing.

 There're already bug reports for these - 

The only one I found (searching for pattern taboo) is 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215355 
(current state is INVALID...)

The problem is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the 
contained packages as taboo. The packages are only unselected and can 
be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd).

This is not the expected behaviour and can cause confusion - especially 
for the zenworks pattern which is probably the top taboo pattern ;-)

 I'll check this next week, 

Andreas, are there any results on this yet?


Regards,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Font Funkiness

2006-11-14 Thread Mike FABIAN
Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] さんは書きました:

 On Tuesday 14 November 2006 13:11, Mike FABIAN wrote:
 ...
  So my question is this: Is this a bug or is there some kind of
  asynchronous rendering of smoothed fonts that sometimes leads to a
  ragged font display upon first use of a given font but which is
  later replaced with the smoothed version, once the smoothed glyphs
  have been rendered?

 This might be the following bug:

 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=193095

 There doesn't appear to be any mention in that bug report of spontaneous 
 replacement of the raggedly rendered glyphs with smoothed ones shortly 
 after the original, ragged display.

The bug report does mention this, see for example comment #23

Comment #23 From Felix Möller 2006-11-10 16:35:53 MST

i just ran gnome-theme-manager as was said in 214280. This
crashedfirefox and thunderbird. But now all font problems are gone!

So just starting gnome-theme-manager and exiting it without doing
anything solves this problem.

Federico Mena Quintero recently explained me that GNOME works as
follows:

- The GNOME control center sets some GConf keys.

- The running gnome-settings-daemon gets notified about changes in the
GConf keys, and it does the following.  First, it sets some X
resources.
Second, it uses the XSETTINGS protocol to tell GTK+ apps to refresh
themselves.

- Running GTK+ apps pick up the XSETTINGS notification, call
cairo_set_font_options(), and redraw their widgets.

You can try that out by starting for example gedit and then
gnome-font-properties and change the anti-alias setting in
gnome-font-properties. You will see that it applies to gedit
immediately.

I am not sure which GNOME programs apart from gnome-font-properties
and gnome-theme-manager can trigger this process to make GTK+ apps to
refresh themselves according to the current settings of the Xft.*
resources. But probably there are others. 

Therefore I guess that some gnome thing started and triggered this
process while you were trying to make the snapshot of Beagle (which is
a GTK+ program).

 I assume rendered glyphs are cached (lest font rendering consume 
 inordinate CPU cycles throughout the system's operation).

 To your knowledge, is there any code that might account for ragged 
 (point-resampled) glyphs being used (transiently) when the smoothed 
 ones are not available on a timely basis?

No. 

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Re: [opensuse-factory] VIA GPU vs. oSL10.2B2

2006-11-14 Thread Juan Erbes

You can try with the propietary drivers from VIA:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2OSID=19CatID=2170

2006/11/14, Kerti Balázs Gábor [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hello,

I have a mainboard based GPU (01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA
Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) ) and the
openSuSE Liux 10.2 Beta2 (x86_64) does not indentitify corectly it. The
frame buffer mode does not work, the sreen scrolling is brakeing - i
dont say better in english, sorry...

Why do not setup via module (or, would be better, module for unicrome)
the Sax2?

Balazs

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[opensuse-factory] reboot instead of load kernel/initrd?

2006-11-14 Thread Felix Miata
I'm really scratching my head over this. I have a system with HD on hda
 hdc, with 23 partitions on hda and 14 partitions on hdc. Among them I
have installations of SUSE Factory, SUSE 10.0, Fedora 6, Debian Etch,
Xandros 3, Ubuntu 6.10, Knoppix, DOS, OS/2  windoz.

I have separate grub /boot partitions for Etch on hda5 and for SUSE 10.0
on hdc5. Each of the others have their own grub versions installed on
their respective roots, except for Xandros, which has lilo on its root.
The MBR of each HD has generic code. IBM Boot Manager is installed on
hda2 and hdc2.

I did some disk space reallocation so that some of the distros would
have larger root partitions. So far I've only successfully done the move
with 1 of 4-5 total planned. ATM, I've succeeded in transplanting Fedora
from hda22 to hda11. I can boot hda11 either by chainloading from
elsewhere, or by selecting it from IBM BM.

I've succeeded in copying SUSE Factory from hda21 to hda10, but from
hda10 it will only boot if I use one of the other distro's grubs to
start it, either from a menu stanza, or directly from a grub prompt.
From hda21 it still works as always.

When I try to load Factory on hda10 with IBM BM or by chainloading to
Factory's installed grub, the system instantly cold boots.

I've tried redoing the copy from hda21 to hda10 twice (total 3, with
fresh mkfs -t ext3 each time), and tried grub-install by chrooting from
a different distro's boot, by booting it, and by installing with
--root-directory from a 10.0 boot, always with no errors reported, but
nothing changes anything.

Grub reports no errors, so I have no idea how to troubleshoot. Any ideas?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal on metadata fetching

2006-11-14 Thread Rajko M
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 07:46, Andreas Hanke wrote:
 Marcel Hilzinger schrieb:
  The big difference between Suse and Debian/Ubuntu is, that under Suse
  much more data get's fetched. So you can also search within
  package-descriptions etc, whereas under Ubuntu you have only
  package-names and files, but no description e.g. For a more detailed
  search you need apt-file. I think apt-file is compearable to the actual
  suse solution.

 As a starting point, the YaST2 metadata could be compressed. Debian does
 that since ever, but YaST2 metadata were never compressed.

 The packages file in Factory is currently at 16 MB, a good bzip2
 compression reduces it to 1.8 MB - almost 90% gone.

 I think that this should really be considered first because it is
 possible entirely without functionality loss and without complicating
 the architecture too much.

...

Besides compression of metadata, the idea of central server that will contain 
all details of repositories is appealing because that will substantially 
simplify package management from user prospective. One preconfigured server 
to query for detailed information. 

The problem is, who will host such server, if even link to some repositories 
can be source of legal trouble.   

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Problem em canceling aspect ratio configuration

2006-11-14 Thread Lukas Ocilka
Jim Pye wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 22:02 +, Hugo Costelha wrote:
 I had the same problem when testing the configuration. The bug report is 
 here 
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216451

 Thanks for trying this out.

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 Hugo
 
 Added my vote and 00.02 to this. Even though the bug has a resolved
 status I do not think it is working properly. So hopefully will be
 reopened and looked at.

However it's RESOLVED, the resolution is a DUPLICATE of bug #219946
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219946

The bug is still not fixed. It seems to be a problem with Xserver.

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Peter Nikolic
On Monday 13 November 2006 20:09, Peter Van Lone wrote:
 On 11/11/06, Peter Nikolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 tons of bullcrap trimmed

  What is with all this darn HTML formatted crap  hey people this is NOT
  WINDBLOWS   cut the HTML  scribble  and get back tp proper  PLAINT text
  emails   Shee  ..

 and how about trimming the crap from replies before you send?

 I get bottom posting and in line posting, mostly ... but as I
 access these emails very often from a mobile device, having 100 or
 more lines of useless junk to scroll past before I get to a reply is
  a waste of my time and bandwidth. It is a waste of time on a
 regular device, as well ... but ever worse on a mobile.

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Re: [opensuse] Email signature command execution help

2006-11-14 Thread houghi
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:48:39AM -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
 On 2006-11-13 22:57, Basil Chupin wrote:
 
 
  It doesn't cache the sig file. You can write a new one, put its name
  in the Attach this Signature box, pretend to write a new message and
  the new sig will be at the bottom on the msg.
 
 So, apart from the cosmetics, using a named pipe as the signature file
 and overwriting the signature are identical. OK, Hylton has two methods
 now to get what he wants in his signature :-)

Yes. But cron will do it each time interval (e.g. each minute) even if it
is not needed. This means if you send two mails within that minute, you
have the same signature. If you don't send an email, there is unneeded
activity.

With fifo you will only get a new signature when there is a request.

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[opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
Hello. I already learnt that:

$ ls  result.txt
will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt

Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
the same time?

$ ls  result1.txt  result2.txt

Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt

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Re: [opensuse] `does dd and usb floppy work?

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing
if u mean by usb flobby devices the flash drives, I tried SUSE with many 
flash sticks, and SUSE detected them automatically.


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RutePoint wrote:

has anyone successfully used dd with usb based floppy devices?

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread houghi
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:45:57AM +0545, Prajjwal Devkota wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have been evaluating Fedora Core 5 (customising wherever necessary)
 for use in my organisation.  However, recently, I have been looking at
 OpenSuse as well, and it seems to be very user friendly.  However, there
 are the 5 cds to use, and I am still just beginning with OpenSuse.

Actualy there are 6 CDs to use (or 1 DVD)

 Thats why I would like to know a few things if you could help me out:
 * How well does wine run: which version is it?  I am talking about
 packaged rpms of course.  I did try on suse 9.3: their own packaged
 version seemed to be a bit old, and the version I compiled by
 downloading from winehq did not work well with ies4linux configuration.

I do not use wine, but I do know that 9.3 is pretty old. 10.1 is much more
recent.

 * Has anyone tried to create customised installation cds for OpenSuse?

Yes. http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs and
http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution

 I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch of rpms from extras,
 livna, and a few of my own rpms. 

use the -a option in makeSUSEdvd

 That feature is useful, but not
 essential.  However, being able to do a network install (a local network
 install, not from the official mirrors).  I am sure that Suse should
 support that, I still have to RTFM, so if you have any quickstart tips,
 I would be happy to hear them.

Well, RTFM first, then boot from the Net Boot Image: http://openSUSE.org

 Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
 
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Re: [opensuse] Games Repository

2006-11-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2006-11-14 01:12, Kostas Georgokitsos wrote:
 Hiall,

 I am using smart and I was trying to upgrade the frozen-bubble game to it's 
 snip
 http://software.opensuse.org/download/games/SUSE_Linux_10.1/repodata/repomd.xml
   

Because that URL no longer exists. Take a look at the changed structure
at http://software.opensuse.org/download/games/ -- there are several
repositories there now, one for each type of game, eg. strategy, RPG, etc.

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Re: [opensuse] Update SUSE

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing
I think using SMART will be more nice, it's very easy and direct. it 
also contains a GUI. there is a wiki page for it at: 
http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Smart


Thanks for ur help,...

Regards,...

TheOldWiseKing




Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2006-11-14 01:52, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
  

On 2006-11-14 01:27, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
  


Hi,...

What I need is the address of repositories that I can use to update
SUSE. where I can these repositories?


  

snip
  


I forgot to mention the repositories where you can upgrade to a new
version of many packages, at
http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/. One small glitch
with these is, you need to add a source for each application, eg. if you
want to upgrade both KDE and Gnome, then you need to add both
repositories. That can get pretty messy in your installation sources
list, if you want to keep up-to-date on many applications.


  

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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
Hi Houghi,

First of all, thanks for your reply.

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:07 +0100, houghi wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:45:57AM +0545, Prajjwal Devkota wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
  
  I have been evaluating Fedora Core 5 (customising wherever necessary)
  for use in my organisation.  However, recently, I have been looking at
  OpenSuse as well, and it seems to be very user friendly.  However, there
  are the 5 cds to use, and I am still just beginning with OpenSuse.
 
 Actualy there are 6 CDs to use (or 1 DVD)

Hmm, I was not talking about the addon cd, we poor people out here have
VSAT links to go through, so we tend to be economical about
bandwidth :(.

 
  Thats why I would like to know a few things if you could help me out:
  * How well does wine run: which version is it?  I am talking about
  packaged rpms of course.  I did try on suse 9.3: their own packaged
  version seemed to be a bit old, and the version I compiled by
  downloading from winehq did not work well with ies4linux configuration.
 
 I do not use wine, but I do know that 9.3 is pretty old. 10.1 is much more
 recent.
 
Will check it out... anyone else know though?  Thanks for the response
anyways.

  * Has anyone tried to create customised installation cds for OpenSuse?
 
 Yes. http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs and
 http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
 

Great!  I hope to have my own suse install cds too now, in addition to
the fedora ones, hehe.  By the way, do you know if pam_mount works well
with suse?  Its useful for auto home directory mounting in active
directory cases, unless suse already has something better configured.

  I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch of rpms from extras,
  livna, and a few of my own rpms. 
 
 use the -a option in makeSUSEdvd
 
Will check that out.
  That feature is useful, but not
  essential.  However, being able to do a network install (a local network
  install, not from the official mirrors).  I am sure that Suse should
  support that, I still have to RTFM, so if you have any quickstart tips,
  I would be happy to hear them.
 
 Well, RTFM first, then boot from the Net Boot Image: http://openSUSE.org
 
  Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
  
  Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] Is openSUSE for the common man?

2006-11-14 Thread J Sloan


Per Jessen wrote:
 J Sloan wrote:
 
 That was naturally a first thought, but for one, the price per seat is
 no longer $50 with SLED, and also, isn't SLED just a bit light on the
 desktop apps side of things? I haven't verified, but I got the feeling
 it wasn't quite the same.

 What they really want is not SLES10, but rather SLEDS10 but at a
 SLED10 price.
 
 If price is a significant criteria - which I wouldn't have thought when
 you're looking at supported corporate solutions (the SLEx series) -
 what you want is openSUSE.  That's SLEDS in a nutshell.

That's pretty much the consensus view among the linux-using techies I know -
i.e SLED10 is really nice, we'd even recommend it to aunt mildred, but for our
own workstations we'd rather go for the full monty in opensuse.

IMHO If price *isn't* a criteria, you're mismanaging your resources.

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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which 
 seems 
 to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
 
 Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to look) 
 or do I just have to wait another little while?

They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today
or tomorrow.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 9 oracle 10g installation DHCP-assigned public IP addresses problem

2006-11-14 Thread Ali Durmus

Hi,
I am using server at LAN so I set static ip not to use dynamic.
I have checked hostname, it is ok. Is oracle get hosts and Ip another 
file other than /etc/hosts?


John Andersen yazmış:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:58, Ali Durmus wrote:
  

Recommendation: Oracle supports installations on systems with
DHCP-assigned public IP addresses. However, the primary network
interface on the system should be configured with a static IP
address in order for the Oracle Software to function properly.
See the Installation Guide for more details on installing the
software on systems configured with DHCP.



In my (limited) experience any resolvable name works as well
as an numerical IP address.  All the clients I have used had the
ability to use either.

You can get a resolvable name from Dyndns.org's free dynamic dns
service which lets you use something like pen.homeip.net even
when you get an ip via dhcp.

  


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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Daniel Bauer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:11:14AM +0100, Daniel Bauer wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
  seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
 
  Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
  look) or do I just have to wait another little while?

 They are waiting in the security update queue, but should go out today
 or tomorrow.

 Ciao, Marcus

thanks for the info.

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 04:37:23AM -0500, Mark Hounschell wrote:
 As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on
 reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be 
 applied
 to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done 
 and
 Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required.
 So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
 some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened
 no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4.

Well, the books are not closed on reiser4 and mainline acceptance.
It just might take some time.

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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Daniel Bauer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:46, John Andersen wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
  seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.
 
  Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
  look) or do I just have to wait another little while?

 http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/   Distro specific.
 Hunt around there for the distro you need.  I have Seamonkey 1.1 from
 there. Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you
 are using.

Thank you, John.

However, thats where I find the 1.0.99 only. But I just see another message 
from Marcus Meissner, that 1.0.6 will be available soon...

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
John Andersen wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:37, Mark Hounschell wrote:
 Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
 some time because no one is maintaining the code. 
 
 Does it need a lot of maintenance?  Lots of bugs stacking up?
 

There have been bug fixes to reiser-3 that only went into reiser-4. If you need
the fix you have to use 4. Also, when a kernel change happens that requires a
change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that change?

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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Thanks Daniel,

I don't think I have made any specific change on PAM.

I did a rpm -V on pam, pam-32bit, pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit,
yast2-pam and yast2
all but one reporting no discrepancy.

pam-modules reports
S.5T c /etc/security/pam_pwcheck.conf

but this file has only one uncommented line:
password: minlen=6 no_obscure_checks cracklib nullok

Nothing obvious to me.

Besides, the problem seems to go away after a clean iptables flush and
restarting firewall.
Not sure if it is a configuration problem.

Peter 

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Sent: 13 November 2006 17:48
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

This output is a function of PAM, so ensure your pam configurations is
still good.

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:00 AM
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com; opensuse@opensuse.org
Cc: Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Subject: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database
too restrictive


Hi all,

On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10
(x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users try
to log on using ssh and failed:

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Password: xx
Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.

The machine has firewall enabled, but it appears that certain updates
(quite likely from YOU) have been applied and the firewall has been
reset.  As a result no one can log on over the network using ssh.

Restarting firewall (by invokine /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_init and
SuSEfirewall2_setup restart alone) will NOT reactivate the service.
Access is only restored after flushing the firewall and restarting it.
   
Has anyone come across the same problem?

Any pointers here?

Peter
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:23:05 +0100
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 We only changed the installer _default_. You can of course
 still select it in the istnaller.
So far, so good.
Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
that have been installed with ReiserFs?
I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

Cheers,

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Re: [opensuse] AIGLX on openSUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Alexey Eremenko

Is there any chance to see Yast module in next openSUSE 10.3 that
supports both XGL and AIGLX ? (like Mandriva did drak3d)...
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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
ls | tee test.txt  test1.txt

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:23 +0200, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
 S A
 
 I found a good solution, here is the command:
 
 ls  file1.txt | cat file1.txt  file2.txt
 
 This will make two similar files containing the list of the current 
 directory.
 
 Regards,...
 
 TheOldWiseKing
 
 ??? wrote:
  Hello. I already learnt that:
 
  $ ls  result.txt
  will redirect the output of ls(1) to result.txt
 
  Now what if I wish to have the output of ls (1) redirect to two files a
  the same time?
 
  $ ls  result1.txt  result2.txt
 
  Above command only redirect the result to result2.txt
 
  Thanks.

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LiveCD scripts... missing (was: Re: [opensuse] chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory)

2006-11-14 Thread Martin Mielke
Hi all,

yes, yes... I solved the chroot() environment problems yesterday... I'm now 
facing some others related to apt-get (E: Unable to determine a suitable 
packaging system type -- this is off-topic now, I'll fire up another thread if 
needed...)...

Anyway, although this email is targeted to Marcus I'd like to know if you have 
the same problems as I describe below...

@ Marcus: I downloaded the PDF on LiveCDs based on SuSE from the FOSDEM site... 
unfortunatelly the PDF has not been rendered correctly and the text is 
grabbled. Could you please be so kind to tell Steffen Winterfeldt to regenerate 
the document and update the FOSDEM site accordingly?

Furthermore, the short description on the FOSDEM site states:

 [quote] This tutorial introduces the SUSE Linux LiveCD script... [/quote]. 

So, the PDF roughly describes the miracles and wonders that the script could do 
for us but... where is it? Some .conf files are also named but no examples are 
given...
In other words, IMHO it could be desireable to make a more interesting, more 
complete and fully descriptive document (i.e.: provide examples, too) instead 
of a for-the-press-presentation so the openSuSE community can benefit from 
this know-how.

Please keep us posted!

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Martin

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:37, Mark Hounschell wrote:
 Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
 some time because no one is maintaining the code. 

Does it need a lot of maintenance?  Lots of bugs stacking up?

Its too bad, because it sure had a lot of promise, and considering he
wrote most of it himself its an amazing piece of work.  


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Re: [opensuse] Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:11, Daniel Bauer wrote:
 Hi,

 I can't find seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm's for 10.0, only 1.0.5 and 1.0.99 which
 seems to be a beta version but I'd like to have the stable one.

 Am I just too blind to find them (then can you please tell me where to
 look) or do I just have to wait another little while?

http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/   Distro specific.  
Hunt around there for the distro you need.  I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there.
Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 9 oracle 10g installation DHCP-assigned public IP addresses problem

2006-11-14 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:58, Ali Durmus wrote:
 Recommendation: Oracle supports installations on systems with
 DHCP-assigned public IP addresses. However, the primary network
 interface on the system should be configured with a static IP
 address in order for the Oracle Software to function properly.
 See the Installation Guide for more details on installing the
 software on systems configured with DHCP.

In my (limited) experience any resolvable name works as well
as an numerical IP address.  All the clients I have used had the
ability to use either.

You can get a resolvable name from Dyndns.org's free dynamic dns
service which lets you use something like pen.homeip.net even
when you get an ip via dhcp.

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on
reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be applied
to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done and
Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required.
So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at
some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened
no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4.

Mark


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[opensuse] Re: Seamonkey 1.0.6 rpm?

2006-11-14 Thread Joachim Schrod

John Andersen wrote:


http://repos.opensuse.org/mozilla/SISE_LINIX_10.1/   Distro specific.  
Hunt around there for the distro you need.  I have Seamonkey 1.1 from there.

Just enter that as another service (repo) in what ever updater you are using.


http://repos.opensuse.org/ is not usable for apt, or is it?
One has to use ZEN or smart, AFAIK. I would love to be corrected.

And while I'm at it, as the parent asked; the *.0.99 packages from 
there: to what upstream packages do they fit? I couldn't find any 
information, and the contents files don't mention the upstream version.


Best,
Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Is openSUSE for the common man?

2006-11-14 Thread Xn Nooby
One of the reasons I am using openSUSE now, is because I am also using SLES 9 at work. SLES9 seems a little dated, and I have been having a difficult time updating certain packages for it, currently Apache 2.2. I am using the smart package manager on SUSE 10 now (thanks!), but its website says its only tested on 10 and 
10.1. It is also not in YAST on SLES9. Is there an easy to use package manager that will work with SLES9, which I believe is based on SUSE 9.1? While trying to install Apache 2.2 (so I can use it's load balancing module for ruby/rails), I ended up having to install several rpms - one of which was apparently the wrong version (
9.3 instead of 9.1). One of the links posted here was for a repo that seemed to include 9.1 rpms, and I can probally manually install smart - but should it work? At work we have a SLES9 contract, but the online update didn't seem to have the latest version of Apache.
As a side question, is SLES9 supposed to be up-to-date, or would they mostly just have security fixes nowadays? It has a really long lifespan, but I can't imagine they would backport all the latest packages (though it would be nice if so!). I'm kind of locked in to SLES9 for work use. I've been warned about using the wrong rpms on SLES9, which is why I'm so apprehensive about it. 
thanks!


Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread Lev Lafayette
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:25 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote:

 You underestimate people.
 
 I work in an enterprise with less than a thousand people.  Because of
 those people, we went from a Word Perfect shop to a MS Office shop. 
 Why, because they ran it at home.  People see Microsoft advertising
 everywhere, and that's what drives their decisions.  I'd wager no one,
 and I mean no one, at our organization has ever heard of Ubuntu, or most
 any other flavor of Linux.  Worse yet, the CEOs haven't either.  Do you
 think they run MS because it's technically superior?  To the contrary,
 MS failings are widely publicized, and it's STILL dominant.  You expect
 those people to choose Linux?
 

Just for the record, when Linux Users Victoria did their Software
Freedom Day walk around Melbourne handing out Ubuntu CDs, not only were
people aware of Linux, they were also aware of Ubuntu as a distribution.

Maybe that's just Melbourne, but I think it's more general. So I'll take
you up on your wager. Gentleman's bet of course. Run a survey of your
less than 1,000 people and I bet you $1 that, apart from yourself,
someone has heard of Ubuntu.

Ball in your court,


Lev
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Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft

2006-11-14 Thread Juergen Weigert
On Nov 12, 06 20:47:43 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
 Hi all !
 
 Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask
 include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE
 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). 

We cannot exploit the deal for that.
Even if the deal would allow what you hoped for [*], the deal is not perpetual. 
If it terminates (in 5 years, or for some reason earlier) we'd suddenly
infringe MS-patents. Not a good plan, methinks.

[*] It does not allow us to include patented code from MS. 
It actually says quite the opposite: MS somewhat agrees 
with us, that we don't.

cheers,
Jw.

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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread kanenas
On Monday 13 November 2006 08:54, Hugo Costelha wrote:
 On Monday 13 November 2006 16:15, Clayton wrote:
  Normally I don't have any problems playing embedded videos... using
  Firefox (1.5.0.7) and the latest MPlayer (plus the w32codecs and
  mplayerplugin).  Recently I've noticed that MPlayer isn't able to
  pickup and play the embedded video anymore.
  Case in point
  https://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/kbc/
  I'd like to check out what's on offer and watch KBC in Linux.
  In my setup, this doesn't work.  I'm sure if can work if I can
  figure out what's wroing with my MPlayer setup.
 
  But... as a first step, is anyone able to play the sample video on this
  site?

 Yep it plays just fine here. Using a centrino with SUSE 10.1, and the
 following packages:

 mplayerplug-in-3.25-0.pm.7
 MPlayer-1.0pre8-8.pm.svn20060811
 MozillaFirefox-2.0-41.1

 Mpl* was obtained through packman and Firefox was from the build service.

 Hugo Costelha

Are they 32 or x86-64 apps?
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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread Hugo Costelha
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 13 November 2006 08:54, Hugo Costelha wrote:
  On Monday 13 November 2006 16:15, Clayton wrote:
   Normally I don't have any problems playing embedded videos... using
   Firefox (1.5.0.7) and the latest MPlayer (plus the w32codecs and
   mplayerplugin).  Recently I've noticed that MPlayer isn't able to
   pickup and play the embedded video anymore.
   Case in point
   https://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/kbc/
   I'd like to check out what's on offer and watch KBC in Linux.
   In my setup, this doesn't work.  I'm sure if can work if I can
   figure out what's wroing with my MPlayer setup.
  
   But... as a first step, is anyone able to play the sample video on this
   site?
 
  Yep it plays just fine here. Using a centrino with SUSE 10.1, and the
  following packages:
 
  mplayerplug-in-3.25-0.pm.7
  MPlayer-1.0pre8-8.pm.svn20060811
  MozillaFirefox-2.0-41.1
 
  Mpl* was obtained through packman and Firefox was from the build service.
 
  Hugo Costelha

 Are they 32 or x86-64 apps?

32 bit. But I have a computer at home, and might try it there also, although 
only in about 8h to 10h from now.

Hugo Costelha
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Re: [opensuse] Playing online media

2006-11-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Bob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] [11-14-06 00:56]:
 I cannot. Does the page ask you to install a plugin ?

no

 (unknown type) And if not,is that where the sample video is located ?
 (upper left)

see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox-mplayer.jpg


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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:02, Mark Hounschell wrote:
 Also, when a kernel change happens that
 requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that
 change?

I think you misunderstand the benefits of having your module in the mainline 
tree: you don't have to do all the work yourself. Many changes are made by 
other people
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Luciano Mannucci
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:25:00 +0100
Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
  that have been installed with ReiserFs?
  I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
  Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.
 
 Backup
 re-format
 restore
 mount and edit fstab
 reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
 secondary stages changed)
 reboot
 
 what else?
Ext3 is not loaded in the kernel at boot time.

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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

   Fixed now. Happy? :)
  
  Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
 
 7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
 it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
 to poll my ISP for new mail).

It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

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Re: [opensuse] Need gnome-pilot applet update

2006-11-14 Thread James Ogley
 For 10.1 I would suggest rebuilding a source rpm of gnome-pilot (and
 probably pilot-link) from 10.2

And keeping an eye on http://repos.opensuse.org/GNOME:/STABLE too.
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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Prajjwal Devkota
Thank you Lars and all the rest!

What you sent me seems to have most of what I was asking about (except
if anyone had tried pam_mount or used any other method for automatic
directory mounting in active directory/centralised authentication-- idle
curiosity once again ).  

 I look forward to testing out my new distribution for internal use.  If
the customisation process is as simple as outlined in the documentation,
I definitely look forward to it :).

Now, I have a lot of reading to do, hehe.

Best Regards,
Prajjwal

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 13:22 +0100, Lars Rupp wrote:
 Hi Prajjwal 
 
 On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:00, Prajjwal Devkota wrote (shortened):
  * Has anyone tried to create customised installation
  cds for OpenSuse? I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch
  of rpms from extras, livna, and a few of my own rpms.  That feature
  is useful, but not essential.  However, being able to do a network
  install (a local network install, not from the official mirrors).  I
  am sure that Suse should support that, I still have to RTFM, so if
  you have any quickstart tips, I would be happy to hear them.
 
 This depends on what you want. 
 * Yes, you can install openSUSE via Network (SMB, NFS, FTP, HTTP, ...)
 * Yes, you can customize your openSUSE:
 + create an Add on installation source if you just want to add some of 
 your own packages:
 http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Package_Repositories_to_YaST
 http://en.opensuse.org/Inst-source-utils = create_update_source.sh
 
 + create a full customized installation source (even without or just 
 some small user interaction):
 http://www.suse.de/~ug/autoyast_doc/index.html
 
  Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.
 
 I hope this is enough documentation for you... ;-)
 
 Greetings,
 Lars

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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
 So far, so good.
 Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
 that have been installed with ReiserFs?
 I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
 Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

Backup
re-format
restore
mount and edit fstab
reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
secondary stages changed)
reboot

what else?
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Matthew Stringer
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 09:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

 Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
 that have been installed with ReiserFs?
 I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
 Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

 Cheers,

 luciano.


Why would you want to do that? Just because 10.2 uses EXT3 as the default FS 
doesn't mean your existing machines are in danger of becoming out of support 
any time soon?
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread Mark Hounschell
Anders Johansson wrote:
 On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:02, Mark Hounschell wrote:
 Also, when a kernel change happens that
 requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that
 change?
 
 I think you misunderstand the benefits of having your module in the mainline 
 tree: you don't have to do all the work yourself. Many changes are made by 
 other people

I think your understanding of the benefits of having your module in the mainline
kernel may be slightly delusional. Just because your module is in the kernel
doesn't mean that everyone else or even anyone else is going to understand the
code enough to be able make arbitrary changes that may be required. Abandoned
kernel code gets removed eventually. If someone steps up to maintain it thats
another story.



Mark

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[opensuse] alsa + udev problem on 10.1

2006-11-14 Thread Frank Steiner
Hi,

I'm running several hosts on SuSE 10.1. On some I've problems with
alsa: udev does not load the sound modules, so there is no /proc/asound
when /etc/init.d/alsa starts, thus not loading anything.

Debugging udev I saw that on the failing hosts hwup complains about
blacklisted modules. However, on two other hosts with exactly the same
sound device (and the same module) it works. Doing it manually:

knuth /root# lspci |grep 11.5
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 
AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
knuth /root# /sbin/hwup bus-pci-:00:11.5 -o hotplug 
WARNING: module 'via82cxxx_audio' is blacklisted
WARNING: module 'snd_via82xx' is blacklisted

== module not loaded

galois /root/tmp# lspci |grep 11.5
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 
AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
galois /root/tmp# /sbin/hwup bus-pci-:00:11.5 -o hotplug
hwup: Loading module 'snd-via82xx'  for device 'bus-pci-:00:11.5'

== module loaded.

What can be the reason that one host loads the module while the
other does not? Both hosts have the same installation, sysconfig.rpm
is the same, so is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

Any ideas what goes wrong here? 

cu,
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Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Anders Johansson
Well, NIS in itself is not an authentication scheme, it only distributes 
configurations. A NIS client can authenticate against LDAP or local shadow 
files, depending on the config files you're distributing

Check the pam_unix2.conf in /lib/security to see what you are using for 
authentication

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
 Thanks Anders,

 The system uses NIS, a client.

 I happened to have a session logged on at the time, and I could access
 the NIS servers.
 I did also restart ypbind, and it got started okay.

 As explained in my earlier post to Daniel Gomez, I ran a verify on pam,
 pam-32bit,
 pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit and yast2-pam, no specific differences
 reported apart
 from pam_pwcheck.conf.  The latter has only 1 line, nothing obvious...

 Peter


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 Sent: 13 November 2006 19:31
 To: opensuse@opensuse.org
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
 database too restrictive

 On Monday 13 November 2006 16:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10
  (x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users
  try to log on using ssh and failed:
 
  ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Password: xx
  Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.

 This error comes from PAM, and as far as I know it can mean one of two
 things:
 either the password or username was wrong, or PAM failed to contact the
 password source (for example failed to read /etc/shadow, or failed to
 contact the LDAP server for some reason)
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Re: [opensuse] Customized cd creation

2006-11-14 Thread Lars Rupp
Hi Prajjwal 

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:00, Prajjwal Devkota wrote (shortened):
 * Has anyone tried to create customised installation
 cds for OpenSuse? I did that for Fedora Core 5 recently, with a bunch
 of rpms from extras, livna, and a few of my own rpms.  That feature
 is useful, but not essential.  However, being able to do a network
 install (a local network install, not from the official mirrors).  I
 am sure that Suse should support that, I still have to RTFM, so if
 you have any quickstart tips, I would be happy to hear them.

This depends on what you want. 
* Yes, you can install openSUSE via Network (SMB, NFS, FTP, HTTP, ...)
* Yes, you can customize your openSUSE:
+ create an Add on installation source if you just want to add some of 
your own packages:
http://en.opensuse.org/Add_Package_Repositories_to_YaST
http://en.opensuse.org/Inst-source-utils = create_update_source.sh

+ create a full customized installation source (even without or just 
some small user interaction):
http://www.suse.de/~ug/autoyast_doc/index.html

 Thanks, thats all my questions for now, I hope to hear from you soon.

I hope this is enough documentation for you... ;-)

Greetings,
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Re: [opensuse] Reiser Linux - FYI

2006-11-14 Thread jdd

Anders Johansson a écrit :

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

So far, so good.
Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines
that have been installed with ReiserFs?
I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward
Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.


Backup
re-format
restore
mount and edit fstab
reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the 
secondary stages changed)

reboot

what else?


better wait any hardware change and use ext3 on new 
formatted partition.


for now there no instruction from openSUSE/Novell to make a 
switch, so we can hope a very long maintenance cycle


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Re: [opensuse] Transfer log i Konqueror?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hi,

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 08:14, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:


Well, I saw something for the first time here. KMail gave me a big blue 
banner that says:

-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-
Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
Reason: Crypto plug-in openpgp could not decrypt the data.
Error: Decryption failed
  Encrypted data not shown.
End of encrypted message
-==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==-


Is this a problem on my end, or was the message itself malformed or 
invalid in some way?


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[opensuse] Anonymous access to forgesvn1.novell.com doesn't work

2006-11-14 Thread Flávio Moringa
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Hi guys,

sorry if this is out of place but I can't find any help elsewere.

I'm trying to do an anonymous checkout of the LiveCD scripts from
forgesvn1.novell.com but it doesn seem to work. I even tried with my
novell username account and it also doesn't work.

The exact command I'm doing is:
svn checkout https://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/svn/livecd/trunk

I've also tried with no user:
svn checkout https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/livecd/trunk

An even with:
svn checkout https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/livecd/trunk --username
anonymous

Any tips???

Thanks in advance

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[opensuse] Re: [SLE] how to enable XGL? (could not enable 3D accelerate)

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
在 2006-11-05日的 13:03 +0100,Peo Nilsson写道:
 On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:23 +0800, 张韡武 wrote:
 
  installation. Check display card properties, it shows the Enable 3D
  accelerate checkbox is in gray color, that is, I cannot check this
  checkbox. 
 If nvidias driver is properly installed you should have 3D accel.
 Don´t bother about the checkbox in yast (enable 3D), it´s enabled
 nomatter what it says. Somewhere in the documentation I have read
 about this issue, don´t remember where though.

Thank you very much for offering this checklist to determine my problem.
I believe I have nvidia driver properly installed : first by using the
install source of download.nvidia.com and when it doesn't work, run the
install program of nvidia to have compiled a kernel module. X starts
fine.
 
 1) What happens if you run 'glxgears' in a shell.
If it runs you have 3D enabled.

I have glxgear runs fine, I can reach as much as 1800 FPS. (Before using
nvidia driver I can reach only around 500 FPS with nv driver)

 2) Read the mail archive, there have been a LARGE amount about
the nvidia drievr.
 
 If you still can´t get it to run properly, please feel free to post
 again.
 Also if it works out for you, do tell it in a post.

SaX2 said I have Geforce Go 6150. 3D is enabled and not possible to
disable (checkbox always checked).

However gnome-xgl-setting display this information:
Video card: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge
Your video card is not in XGL's database
3D Acceleration: Disabled
Desktop Effect: Disabled

I was also told that I can run SaX to fix this, but actually I can do
nothing in SaX (because 3D is already enabled).

I also checked gentoo's xgl compatibility and it's clearly written my
type of card is supported. Actually that's why I sold my old notebook to
get this new one: in order to play with XGL effects. I checked XGL
compatibility before I decide to purchase this notebook. I think if
gentoo can run XGL on it, SuSE must be able to too.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: [SLE] how to enable XGL? (could not enable 3D accelerate)

2006-11-14 Thread 张韡武
在 2006-11-14二的 20:32 +0800,张韡武写道:
 在 2006-11-05日的 13:03 +0100,Peo Nilsson写道:
  On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:23 +0800, 张韡武 wrote:
  
   installation. Check display card properties, it shows the Enable 3D
   accelerate checkbox is in gray color, that is, I cannot check this
   checkbox. 
  If nvidias driver is properly installed you should have 3D accel.
  Don´t bother about the checkbox in yast (enable 3D), it´s enabled
  nomatter what it says. Somewhere in the documentation I have read
  about this issue, don´t remember where though.
 
 Thank you very much for offering this checklist to determine my problem.
 I believe I have nvidia driver properly installed : first by using the
 install source of download.nvidia.com and when it doesn't work, run the
 install program of nvidia to have compiled a kernel module. X starts
 fine.
  
  1) What happens if you run 'glxgears' in a shell.
 If it runs you have 3D enabled.
 
 I have glxgear runs fine, I can reach as much as 1800 FPS. (Before using
 nvidia driver I can reach only around 500 FPS with nv driver)
 
  2) Read the mail archive, there have been a LARGE amount about
 the nvidia drievr.
  
  If you still can´t get it to run properly, please feel free to post
  again.
  Also if it works out for you, do tell it in a post.
 
 SaX2 said I have Geforce Go 6150. 3D is enabled and not possible to
 disable (checkbox always checked).
 
 However gnome-xgl-setting display this information:
 Video card: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge
 Your video card is not in XGL's database
 3D Acceleration: Disabled
 Desktop Effect: Disabled
 
 I was also told that I can run SaX to fix this, but actually I can do
 nothing in SaX (because 3D is already enabled).
 
 I also checked gentoo's xgl compatibility and it's clearly written my
 type of card is supported. Actually that's why I sold my old notebook to
 get this new one: in order to play with XGL effects. I checked XGL
 compatibility before I decide to purchase this notebook. I think if
 gentoo can run XGL on it, SuSE must be able to too.
 
 Any hint?

Now I can run it!

I tried this: I discovered a new command gnome-xgl-switch and I enabled
XGL with this command. Reboot the computer and then xgl works!

I think this should be filed as a bug: a supported brand of video card
is by mistake considered not-supported and users are forbidden to
activate xgl by using control center panel.
 
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.1 can not open GDM manager

2006-11-14 Thread JP Rosevear
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 11:13 +0700, Adrianus Wasis wrote:
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 I want to change GDM themes by using GDM manager from Gnome (as root).
 But nothing appear, also with login photo program from
 Applications-System-Configuration.
 What is wrong? Can I change GDM themes by other way?

Are there any errors on the command line?

-JP
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Re: [opensuse] TV Cards (IT WORKS!)

2006-11-14 Thread John Meyer
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I'm not using the PVR-150, I'm using WinTV GO Plus, and it does work.
Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
 On Sunday 12 November 2006 19:31, John Andersen wrote:
 Edited the tv file to add tuner=44.
 Well it might get you a bit closer, but
 That's not the correct way to go about it according to the ivtv docs.
 modprobe ivtv should do it all.  
 This suggests to me you still have a mix of modules installed.
 
 If you give a tuner number, to me that means you are using bttv module. 
 PVR-150 uses ivtv, not bttv. Ivtv has no such thing as tuner=a number.
 
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[opensuse] Viewing Info Files in Konqueror

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hi,

I've recently begun to get some odd behavior from Konqueror when I use 
it as an info file viewer.

Specifically, I enter an info: URL (say, info:a2ps) and I see the main 
page, complete with links. But when I click any of those links I'm not 
shown the corresponding secondary page. Instead, I get an alert asking 
me how to handle the target of the link:

Open 'info:/a2ps/Important parameters'?
Type: HTML Document

[] Do not ask again

[Save As...] [Open with Firefox...] [Cancel]


Has anyone else seen this? Is it some kind of misconfiguration I've 
inadvertently created?


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
 
Fixed now. Happy? :)
   
   Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)
  
  7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and 
  have
  it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am 
  about
  to poll my ISP for new mail).
 
 It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
 minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
 steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
 just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
 stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).

The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.

Henne 

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RE: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password database too restrictive

2006-11-14 Thread Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Hi Anders,

I can only find pam_unix2.conf under /etc/security.
In that, apart from comments, it contains the following four lines

auth:
account:
password:
session: none

So presumably just using the defaults.

Peter
-Original Message-
From: Anders Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 14 November 2006 12:08
To: Chiu, PCM (Peter)
Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password
database too restrictive

Well, NIS in itself is not an authentication scheme, it only distributes
configurations. A NIS client can authenticate against LDAP or local
shadow files, depending on the config files you're distributing

Check the pam_unix2.conf in /lib/security to see what you are using for
authentication

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
 Thanks Anders,

 The system uses NIS, a client.

 I happened to have a session logged on at the time, and I could access

 the NIS servers.
 I did also restart ypbind, and it got started okay.

 As explained in my earlier post to Daniel Gomez, I ran a verify on 
 pam, pam-32bit, pam-modules, pam-modules-32bit and yast2-pam, no 
 specific differences reported apart from pam_pwcheck.conf.  The latter

 has only 1 line, nothing obvious...

 Peter


 -Original Message-
 From: Anders Johansson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 13 November 2006 19:31
 To: opensuse@opensuse.org
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] SLES 10 x86_64 - Permissions on password 
 database too restrictive

 On Monday 13 November 2006 16:59, Chiu, PCM (Peter) wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  On a couple of our servers running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 
  (x86_64), we have encountered some intermittent problems when users 
  try to log on using ssh and failed:
 
  ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Password: xx
  Permissions on the password database may be too restrictive.

 This error comes from PAM, and as far as I know it can mean one of two
 things:
 either the password or username was wrong, or PAM failed to contact 
 the password source (for example failed to read /etc/shadow, or failed

 to contact the LDAP server for some reason)
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Re: [opensuse] 3D With RADEON 7000

2006-11-14 Thread BRUCE STANLEY
BandiPat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 November 2006 13:14, BRUCE STANLEY wrote: I have replaced my ATI 9250 video card with a ATI Radeon 7000 card. The 9250 was not working very well with my motherboard. The question I have is: does the XORG driver for the Radeon 7000 support  3D acceleration? When I swithed driver for it, sax2 did not set up any 3D acceleration. If it is supported, what is the correct option(s) that need to be set up in the xorg.conf file?=You should drop down to init 3, run sax2 and set the 3D on with your other settings.  It should work fine on that
 card.bye,Lee-Hi Lee!That's how I set it up originally. I remember checking the options listand it had the 'no acceleration' option set, but I did not see any wayto reverse it.I must have missed something?

[opensuse] Activating routes

2006-11-14 Thread James Mohr
Hi All!

This is a pretty basic question and I am almost embarrassed to ask. I have 
SUSE 10.0 Pro and configured a route in /etc/sysconfig/network/routes.  I 
have been digging through the scripts under /etc/sysconfig/network/scripts, 
looking for a means to activate this route without having to run 
/etc/init.d/network restart. Doing that does not seem to be a problem, but 
it seems to be overkill. Any info is appreaciated.

Regards,

Jim Mohr
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Re: [opensuse] Update SUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Kenneth Schneider
Try http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378


On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:27 +0200, TheOldWiseKing wrote:
 Hi,...
 
 What I need is the address of repositories that I can use to update 
 SUSE. where I can these repositories?
 
 Thanks,...
 
 TheOldWiseKing
 

Try http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378


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Re: [opensuse] AIGLX on openSUSE

2006-11-14 Thread Jigish Gohil

On 11/14/06, Sorin Peste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm writing to ask about AIGLX support in openSUSE 10.1 and 10.2. According


--snip---


I couldn't find it in any other language. My
deutsch is quite rusty, so I can't make out which openSUSE version allows
this. Can anyone help me?


All versions of openSUSE allows this, i.e. the first one that is
coming openSUSE 10.2. SUSE Linux 10.1 also allows AIGLX if you are
using xorg 7.2 packages from this repository:

http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.1/

To be able to use AIGLX you would need graphics card that is supported
and most recent compiz or beryl packages, information about those can
be found on these sites:

http://go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Download

http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-4853-beryl-suse-packages

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Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread JJ Gitties
On 11/13/06, ted leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, i like to see the feed back in the group to see how thecommunity is taking it.Not in this group buddy. Over here the lemmings prefer to stay focused and keep it a team effort as they jump off the cliff. 
-- jjgitties,*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend.


Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 14 November 2006 06:48, Geoffrey wrote:
 TheOldWiseKing wrote:
  S A
 
  I found a good solution, here is the command:
 
  ls  file1.txt | cat file1.txt  file2.txt

 Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

 I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work.
 file2.txt will likely end up empty.

No, it won't. When cat is given command-line file name arguments it 
ignores the standard input.

But this is a poor construction. Others have given the information the 
OP needs, which is to learn about the tee command.


 ...


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Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-11-14 Thread JJ Gitties
On 11/14/06, Lev Lafayette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:25 -0500, Joe Zitnik wrote: You underestimate people. I work in an enterprise with less than a thousand people.Because of those people, we went from a Word Perfect shop to a MS Office shop.
 Why, because they ran it at home.People see Microsoft advertising everywhere, and that's what drives their decisions.I'd wager no one, and I mean no one, at our organization has ever heard of Ubuntu, or most
 any other flavor of Linux.Worse yet, the CEOs haven't either.Do you think they run MS because it's technically superior?To the contrary, MS failings are widely publicized, and it's STILL dominant.You expect
 those people to choose Linux?Just for the record, when Linux Users Victoria did their SoftwareFreedom Day walk around Melbourne handing out Ubuntu CDs, not only werepeople aware of Linux, they were also aware of Ubuntu as a distribution.
Maybe that's just Melbourne, but I think it's more general. So I'll takeyou up on your wager. Gentleman's bet of course. Run a survey of yourless than 1,000 people and I bet you $1 that, apart from yourself,
someone has heard of Ubuntu.Ball in your court,People have heard of Linux. But people like their computers to work all the time and they really like it even more when the computer does no change on them. Regular joe user gets heart palpitations when the web browser icon that launchers their web browsers gets moved from the top left to the top right hand of the screen. They really don't like it when their entire system does a 180 degree turn on them that they didn't ask for.  People are creatures of habit and they like what they are used to. 
-- jjgitties,*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend.


Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread TheOldWiseKing

Hi,

It sure works, and I tried it myself. the pipe operator | takes the 
output of the certain command and Input it to the other command.


When saying ls  file1.txt, this will create a list of folders inside 
the file1.txt
cat file1.txt will list the contents of file1.txt and take the output to 
file2.txt


Regards,..

TheOldWiseKing

Geoffrey wrote:

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls  file1.txt | cat file1.txt  file2.txt


Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work. 
file2.txt will likely end up empty.


Maybe you meant:

ls  file1.txt; cat file1.txt  file2.txt

What you really want as someone else mentioned is a tee as in:

ls |tee file1.txt  file2.txt

It's a lot cleaner and probably more efficient.


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Re: [opensuse] Mail is getting to opensuse lists with a 45 minutes delay!

2006-11-14 Thread Sandy Drobic

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hi,

On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 at 14:25:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Tuesday 2006-11-14 at 15:27 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:


Fixed now. Happy? :)

Yeap. Now is back at seven minutes delay :-)

7 minutes is far too long (not a joke). Normally I can send a message and have
it returned in less than 10 seconds (if I happen to post it just as I am about
to poll my ISP for new mail).
It went down to a minute very soon after that. Today it takes about a 
minute for the last step from lists4.suse.de to my provider. The previous 
steps in the received chain happen within seconds one from the next. It is 
just the last one that delays for some unknown reason, and some times 
stalls to an hour or more (twice that I could notice).


The reason was too few postfix processes delivering mail, therefor the
delivering queue ran full (due to some bug in postfix it seems). This is
fixed now.


Usual advice is to use relay as transport for outgoing mail, so that 
incoming smtp connections do not use up all allowed smtp connections or 
vice versa.


Sandy
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Re: [opensuse] (shell question) duplicate standard output?

2006-11-14 Thread Geoffrey

TheOldWiseKing wrote:

S A

I found a good solution, here is the command:

ls  file1.txt | cat file1.txt  file2.txt


Not so wise OldWiseKing. :)

I don't know what the pipe is for, but I don't think that will work. 
file2.txt will likely end up empty.


Maybe you meant:

ls  file1.txt; cat file1.txt  file2.txt

What you really want as someone else mentioned is a tee as in:

ls |tee file1.txt  file2.txt

It's a lot cleaner and probably more efficient.

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[opensuse] Mail's getting betterer and betterer....

2006-11-14 Thread Basil Chupin
No mail from anything-suse for over 5 hours now - and I do not believe 
that no posts have made in this period. What's going on?


Cheers.

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