Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[David Brodbeck]

John Andersen wrote:
> I always get a desktop icon in KDE which has a Safe Remove option.
>   

Hmm, I'll have to look for that.  I hadn't noticed it.


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Re: [opensuse] best file distribution technology for my case?

[David Brodbeck]

Ryouga Hibiki wrote:
> PS: Unless you know that there's a way to change a package without
> modifying the integrity of these (MD5SUM), is that possible?

I *think* it's been shown that it's possible to create two different
files that have the same MD5 checksum.  Exploiting this would require
creating a *meaningful* file with the same checksum as the original,
though, which is much more difficult.

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Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[John Andersen]

On Sunday 08 April 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Bill Anderson wrote:
> > I noticed that the default elevator applies to everything, including
> > USB memory sticks. I thought the block device driver would change the
> > I/O scheduler to something more appropriate for a memory stick, such
> > as the noop scheduler.
>
> While we're on the subject, I've also noticed that memory sticks are no
> longer mounted with synchronous writes in 10.2.  I very nearly found
> this out the hard way, by losing data.  I now make sure I issue a 'sync'
> command before unplugging my memory stick.

I always get a desktop icon in KDE which has a Safe Remove option.

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Re: [opensuse] New Kernel

[John Andersen]

On Sunday 08 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon 09 Apr 2007 06:20, John Andersen wrote:
> > In order to get Vmware working right, (or prove to VMware that it's
> > their problem) I need to move to a newer kernel, because OpenSuse
> > does not honor hpet=disable for the current kernel.
> >
> > So I look here:
> > ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_10.
> >2 and I see a 2.6.21 kernel, but If I select this to install, it says
> > apparmor will break, (which I could live with)  and ndiswrapper will
> > break, which I can't do without.
> >
> > Where does one get those packages for this new kernel?
> >
> > And is that kernel *.21 stable enough for day to day use?
>
>  - my own experience with SuSE 10.2 & VMware
>  . . . after installing Kernel Source, VMware compiled its modules . . .
> no probs  :)
>
> best wishes

Yes, I have no problem compiling.  This is nothing to do with that.
See:
http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=77895&start=0&tstart=0

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Re: [opensuse] New Kernel

[riccardo35]

On Mon 09 Apr 2007 06:20, John Andersen wrote:
> In order to get Vmware working right, (or prove to VMware that it's
> their problem) I need to move to a newer kernel, because OpenSuse
> does not honor hpet=disable for the current kernel.
>
> So I look here:
> ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_10.
>2 and I see a 2.6.21 kernel, but If I select this to install, it says
> apparmor will break, (which I could live with)  and ndiswrapper will
> break, which I can't do without.
>
> Where does one get those packages for this new kernel?
>
> And is that kernel *.21 stable enough for day to day use?

 - my own experience with SuSE 10.2 & VMware
 . . . after installing Kernel Source, VMware compiled its modules . . . 
no probs  :)

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Re: [opensuse] Elevator Question

[David Brodbeck]

Bill Anderson wrote:
> I noticed that the default elevator applies to everything, including
> USB memory sticks. I thought the block device driver would change the
> I/O scheduler to something more appropriate for a memory stick, such
> as the noop scheduler.

While we're on the subject, I've also noticed that memory sticks are no
longer mounted with synchronous writes in 10.2.  I very nearly found
this out the hard way, by losing data.  I now make sure I issue a 'sync'
command before unplugging my memory stick.

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[opensuse] New Kernel

[John Andersen]

In order to get Vmware working right, (or prove to VMware that it's their 
problem) I need to move to a newer kernel, because OpenSuse does not honor
hpet=disable for the current kernel.

So I look here:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_10.2
and I see a 2.6.21 kernel, but If I select this to install, it says apparmor 
will break, (which I could live with)  and ndiswrapper will break, which I 
can't do without.

Where does one get those packages for this new kernel?

And is that kernel *.21 stable enough for day to day use? 

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Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[riccardo35]

On Mon 09 Apr 2007 02:57, dwain wrote:
> I had just sent an email and there was great hard drive activity
> after that.   I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at
> about 85% and then perl ran.  gzip went away and after that perl.  Do
> I have a reason to feel paranoid about this strange activity?

 - maybe, a glance at file-creation-times in /var/log . . . might show 
that a log-file was being gzipped & archived at that hour  :)


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Re: [opensuse] how to mount an ISO image (was: suse install problem)

[riccardo35]

On Mon 09 Apr 2007 01:37, Carlos F Lange wrote:
> >  - Is there some method whereby one can copy a CD-iso to Hard
> > Disk, and access, without using the CD drive . . . but by mounting
> > the iso as /loop device?
>
> Use the mount command:
>
> mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro,exec,unhide  whatever.iso
> /path/mountpoint
>
> Or add to your /etc/fstab (mounts everytime you reboot):
>
> /path/whatever.iso   /path/mountpoint   iso9660   loop,ro,exec,unhide
>
> Copy the ISO with K3B or with:
>
> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/whatever.iso
>
> Replace /dev/cdrom with the proper device in the command above, if
> needed.

 - thank you so much, Carlos FL - this is really good to learn  :)

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[opensuse] Smart pkg mgr question

[Stevens]

Since Smart hosed up (hung, quit, froze, whatever) and I killed it with the 
kill command, subsequent launches give the warning that the configuration
is read only, even as root. If I use cli (smart --gui --ignore-locks) then it 
works.

I have looked in what I thought were the obvious places for a lock file but I 
cannot find it. I also searched through the mail list archives and bug 
reports for smart to see if anyone else reported the problem but nothing 
came back. Anyone have a clue how to fix it?

Thanks,
Fred
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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[Graham Smith]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, dwain wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> > All a part of the learning process.  Imagine, you can actually even be
> > an active participant, and can effect changes.
>
> I think I need to get a bit more opensuse under my belt and know a bit more
> about the OS before I can effectively be an active participant.
>
> How do I get to the man pages again?

You can use konqueror to look at the man pages. It has the advantage of being 
able to click links within the man pages.

Use the URL
# 
e.g.  #lp  will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp




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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[dwain]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:45, M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
> > How do I get to the man pages again?
>
>   Actually, they are mostly obsolete...
>
>   ... you want to load and use   info   these days
>
>
>   But if you insist, you can run
>
>   man man
>
>   You want to know how to use vi...   type
>
>   man vi
>
>   (or)   info vi

I think I'll try info vi since the man pages are "mostly obsolete".  I 
appreciate your time and effort.  I hope to one day repay the community by 
becoming a productive participant.

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[M Harris]

On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
> How do I get to the man pages again?
Actually, they are mostly obsolete...

... you want to load and use   info   these days


But if you insist, you can run

man man

You want to know how to use vi...   type

man vi

(or)   info vi



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Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!

[David Brodbeck]

Per Qvindesland wrote:
> True that's very true, it's a bit M$ based the whole thing, every time
> that I meet a Novell sales rep on a show or a presentation he/she knows
> very little about what the heck their talking about...

Have you ever met a sales rep for any technical product that knew much
about it?  Half the time when I talk to vendors I end up showing them
how to operate their own product.

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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[dwain]

On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> All a part of the learning process.  Imagine, you can actually even be
> an active participant, and can effect changes.

I think I need to get a bit more opensuse under my belt and know a bit more 
about the OS before I can effectively be an active participant.

How do I get to the man pages again?
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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Horchata

[M Harris]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:00, M Harris wrote:
> The hyphen gives the su all of the "root" environment and stuff...
> what I
> call "real root"...   this includes the path to your gui apps.
Try this experiment from your CLI...

su
echo $PATH
exit

su - <=== don't forget the hyphen
echo $PATH

Now, compare the two path outputs..


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Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[dwain]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:55, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> It sounds like you have storeBackup running, which runs from
> cron.daily.  I hope you have it configured.  I love it, it is a great
> multi layer backup program.

Configured?  How?  How do you "restore" the backup if necessary?

Would you offer some help on the topic or point me to information on 
configuration?
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Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

dwain wrote:
> How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates 
> before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution?  
approx. 2 years
> Is it prudent to 
> upgrade when the new distribution is released from a RC?  
That is up to you.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it works here.  If you
need a new feature or a fix found in the new version, or want to be a
part of the community testing and filing (helpful) bug reports, then sure.
> Does opensuse go 
> from beta to release candidate to new version (or whatever it's called)?
>   
yes, from alpha, to beta, to release candidate, to gold master.
> I think I'm making the migration from Windows to Linux quite gracefully, but 
> there are still a few nagging questions as I make the transition.
>
>   
All a part of the learning process.  Imagine, you can actually even be
an active participant, and can effect changes.

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Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

dwain wrote:
> I had just sent an email and there was great hard drive activity after that.  
> I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at about 85% and then 
> perl ran.  gzip went away and after that perl.  Do I have a reason to feel 
> paranoid about this strange activity?
>   
It sounds like you have storeBackup running, which runs from
cron.daily.  I hope you have it configured.  I love it, it is a great
multi layer backup program.

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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Horchata

[M Harris]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:43, Kai Ponte wrote:
> On an on-topic note, I noticed that if I type su  then type su
>  again, I'm unable to run GUI apps.
That is because you forgot the ( - )

su -

The hyphen gives the su all of the "root" environment and stuff... 
what I 
call "real root"...   this includes the path to your gui apps.



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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Art Fore wrote:
> Think I am getting a better understanding of this whole process, but
> have a few questions still. I am at work now, so I only have my laptop
> to look at, also Suse 10.2 but 32-bit.
>
> Yast bootloader shows root device as /dev/sda2. 
>   
OK
> Yast Sysconfig Editor Loader_location shows blank, but also has note
> that default is mbr. /etc/sysconfig/bootloader shows LOADER_LOCATION="".
> /boot/grub/device.map shows (hd0) /dev/sda. 
>   
OK, the variable is not set, meaning though the note says mbr is default
(used to be) but this was changed for some reason in 10.2.  See the
Release Notes for more details.
> /boot/grub/menu.lst shows root (hd0,1) for the linux partition. (First
> partition is Windows). 
>   
That is correct.
> /boot/grub/menu.lst also has a line gfxmenu (hd0,1)/boot/message. What
> does this mean?
>   
That the graphical menu file message is located on sda2 in /boot
> >From the above, it looks like hd0,1 equates to /dev/sda2. Is that right?
>   
Yes
> Does the /boot/grub/device.map (hd0) /dev/sda Indicate the mbr is
> located on /dev/sda?
>   
No.  It means your BIOS is telling Grub your first boot HD is sda. 
Though I'm sure the generic bootloader must work for some, I prefer to
have Grub in the mbr.  You should change the variable in bootloader to
mbr via Yast and perhaps it will automatically write is to the mbr on
sda.  If it doesn't work, you can always go to the grub command, i.e.
grub
grub>root (hd0,1)
grub>setup (hd0)
grub>quit

That will give you feedback and will work regardless of the variable,
but for future updates I would recommend changing that variable in
Yast.  HTH


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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Horchata

[Kai Ponte]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:43:51 pm Ryouga Hibiki wrote:
> Saludos, disculpen el Fuera de Topico pero me parecio inetresante (debo
> comenzar a trabajar y dejar de fisgonear donde no me llaman =P)
>
> Leyendo un mensaje, hacen mencion a Horchatas, que es eso?

Horchata is a rice drink. In other countries - Spain for instance - they use 
other vegetables.  

You can get it at pretty much any restaurant or self-serve convenience store 
here in Southern California.

It does not compile and run on my SUSE 10.1 system.

On an on-topic note, I noticed that if I type su  then type su 
 again, I'm unable to run GUI apps. 

Go figure.  :P

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Re: [opensuse] Cleaning /tmp

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bob S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-08-07 23:14]:
> Back when I was running 10.0 I configured something someplace to clean
> out my /tmp file when I rebooted.  (I shut down every night)
> 
> Now in 10.2 I cannot remember how I did that. Can someone please
> refresh the senile old guy?


>From an OLDER guy   :^)

yast2 -> sysconfig editor -> system -> cron -> max_days_in_tmp
   tmp_dirs_to_clear
   owner_to_keep_in_tmp
   clear_tmp_dirs_at_boot
  and several more if you care
  
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Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[dwain]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 21:21, M Harris wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 21:57, dwain wrote:
> > I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at about 85% and
> > then perl ran.  gzip went away and after that perl.  Do I have a reason
> > to feel paranoid about this strange activity?
>
>   Probably not.
>
>   ... the system does of lot of stuff that you'll learn about later... but
> fortunately about 100% of it is NOT malware... unlike windoze...

Thanks for the information.  Still learning and transitioning.

Dwain

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[opensuse] Putting /boot on a pendrive...

[Ciro Iriarte]

Hi, i currently run my main workstation with SuSE 10.1 (X86_64) with
2x250GB Sata disks on RAID1, right now i have two arrays, md0 for
/boot and md1 for lvm. I'm planning to upgrade to 3x500GB SATA disks
on RAID5 and would like to manage all the space with lvm to make
things easier (not creating a tiny partition for /boot or having to
worry about grub when replacing disks). Is it posible to put /boot on
a pendrive so that i can have grub and /boot out of my way when
replacing failed disks?
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Art Fore]

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 08:59 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> Art Fore wrote:
> > I would assume grub is installed on the mbr when booting non-raid, is
> > that right? 
> Not if you haven't changed the default.
> > If so, when I install with raid setup, would not the new
> > grub go in the mbr? 
> not in 10.2.  They changed the default to install grub somewhere else
> and install a generic mbr.  That was supposed to fix problem, but for me
> only caused problems.
> > How can I tell if grub is in the mbr anyhow? 
> >   
> /etc/sysconfig/bootloader or through Yast etc/sysconfig Editor. 
> Variable is LOADER_LOCATION.
> > On my system with raid, where you have root=(hd0,4) I have (hd1,0). I
> > have root installed on MD) which is sda1 and sdc1.
> >
> >   
> Where then is your boot?  Do you only have SATA drives?  Does
> /boot/grub/device.map confirm hd1 is either sda1 or sdc1?  Our office
> server also boots from a raid 1 from SATA disks, so SATA is not the
> problem, just make sure device.map is correct.  If all of those settings
> are correct, and it still will not work, boot to the rescue system,
> mount your raid 1 to mnt, cd /mnt and chroot, then run the grub command,
> followed by root (hd 1,0), then setup (hd1).  This will give you a
> visual confirmation of what grub actually knows.  BTW, assuming sda1 is
> hd0,0 and sdc1 is hd1,0, while you are in grub, you can also install
> grub on the mbr of sda by changing the 1 to 0, i.e. root (hd0,0), setup
> (hd0).  Then, you could boot from either disk.
> 
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Think I am getting a better understanding of this whole process, but
have a few questions still. I am at work now, so I only have my laptop
to look at, also Suse 10.2 but 32-bit.

Yast bootloader shows root device as /dev/sda2. 

Yast Sysconfig Editor Loader_location shows blank, but also has note
that default is mbr. /etc/sysconfig/bootloader shows LOADER_LOCATION="".
/boot/grub/device.map shows (hd0)   /dev/sda. 

/boot/grub/menu.lst shows root (hd0,1) for the linux partition. (First
partition is Windows). 

/boot/grub/menu.lst also has a line gfxmenu (hd0,1)/boot/message. What
does this mean?

>From the above, it looks like hd0,1 equates to /dev/sda2. Is that right?

Does the /boot/grub/device.map (hd0) /dev/sda Indicate the mbr is
located on /dev/sda?

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Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[M Harris]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 21:57, dwain wrote:
> I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at about 85% and then
> perl ran.  gzip went away and after that perl.  Do I have a reason to feel
> paranoid about this strange activity?
Probably not.

... the system does of lot of stuff that you'll learn about later... 
but 
fortunately about 100% of it is NOT malware... unlike windoze...




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[opensuse] Cleaning /tmp

[Bob S]

Hi SuSE people

Back when I was running 10.0 I configured something someplace to clean out 
my /tmp file when I rebooted.  (I shut down every night)

Now in 10.2 I cannot remember how I did that. Can someone please refresh the 
senile old guy?

Bob S.
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[opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle

[dwain]

I had just sent an email and there was great hard drive activity after that.  
I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at about 85% and then 
perl ran.  gzip went away and after that perl.  Do I have a reason to feel 
paranoid about this strange activity?

Dwain
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[opensuse] disrtibution support

[dwain]

How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates 
before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution?  Is it prudent to 
upgrade when the new distribution is released from a RC?  Does opensuse go 
from beta to release candidate to new version (or whatever it's called)?

I think I'm making the migration from Windows to Linux quite gracefully, but 
there are still a few nagging questions as I make the transition.

Dwain
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Re: [opensuse] How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse?

[M Harris]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 20:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Google is our friend.

... Microsoft is our enemy.




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Re: [opensuse] How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse?

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On Sunday 08 April 2007 13:44, Nikolay Derkach wrote:
> В сообщении 
> от 8 апреля 2007 [EMAIL 
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> > How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse? Internet Explorer on
Windows
> > can read them but Firofox or Konqueror cannnot :( I have several
> > important documents in this format please help.
> >
> > Josef Tomes
>
> At least Opera handles .mht archives.

Google is our friend.

Check out
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-applications/8246-how-view-documents-mhtml-format-mht.html

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Re: [opensuse] how to mount an ISO image (was: suse install problem)

[Carlos F Lange]

On Saturday 07 April 2007 15:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  - Is there some method whereby one can copy a CD-iso to Hard Disk,
> and access, without using the CD drive . . . but by mounting the iso
> as /loop device?

Use the mount command:

mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro,exec,unhide  whatever.iso /path/mountpoint

Or add to your /etc/fstab (mounts everytime you reboot):

/path/whatever.iso   /path/mountpoint   iso9660   loop,ro,exec,unhide

Copy the ISO with K3B or with:

dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/whatever.iso

Replace /dev/cdrom with the proper device in the command above, if needed.


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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Art Fore wrote:
> I would assume grub is installed on the mbr when booting non-raid, is
> that right? 
Not if you haven't changed the default.
> If so, when I install with raid setup, would not the new
> grub go in the mbr? 
not in 10.2.  They changed the default to install grub somewhere else
and install a generic mbr.  That was supposed to fix problem, but for me
only caused problems.
> How can I tell if grub is in the mbr anyhow? 
>   
/etc/sysconfig/bootloader or through Yast etc/sysconfig Editor. 
Variable is LOADER_LOCATION.
> On my system with raid, where you have root=(hd0,4) I have (hd1,0). I
> have root installed on MD) which is sda1 and sdc1.
>
>   
Where then is your boot?  Do you only have SATA drives?  Does
/boot/grub/device.map confirm hd1 is either sda1 or sdc1?  Our office
server also boots from a raid 1 from SATA disks, so SATA is not the
problem, just make sure device.map is correct.  If all of those settings
are correct, and it still will not work, boot to the rescue system,
mount your raid 1 to mnt, cd /mnt and chroot, then run the grub command,
followed by root (hd 1,0), then setup (hd1).  This will give you a
visual confirmation of what grub actually knows.  BTW, assuming sda1 is
hd0,0 and sdc1 is hd1,0, while you are in grub, you can also install
grub on the mbr of sda by changing the 1 to 0, i.e. root (hd0,0), setup
(hd0).  Then, you could boot from either disk.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Art Fore]

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 08:16 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> Anders Johansson wrote:
> > On Monday 09 April 2007 01:39, Art Fore wrote:
> >
> >> Only remaining problem is that I cannot boot with RAID 1 installation.
> >> Still comes up with no opereating system found even though I can boot on
> >> a clean non-RAID install on either disk.
> >> 
> >
> > Yes, /boot needs to be outside the RAID. I had issues with that as well. It 
> > seems lilo and grub can't handle RAID 1 anymore
> >
> >   
> I am running raid 1 with boot inside my raid with no problems (at least
> not when Grub is installed in the MBR).  /dev/md0 is my root.  My
> menu.lst has, for example,
> root (hd0,4)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 vga=0x31a resume=/dev/hda1
> splash=verbose showopts
> initrd /boot/initrd
> 
> I have tried out several kernels (right now running 2.6.20.2-34-default)
> and they have installed and updated my menu.lst and I have had no boot
> issues (unlike 10.1, where I just ran grub from the command line as it
> seemed to always mess it up).  Grub appears to have no problem with
> raid1 boot as long as it can access it.  I have read where newer
> versions will support software raid natively, i.e. no more root (hd0,4),
> but actually read the root from raid.
> 
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> Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
I would assume grub is installed on the mbr when booting non-raid, is
that right? If so, when I install with raid setup, would not the new
grub go in the mbr? How can I tell if grub is in the mbr anyhow? 

On my system with raid, where you have root=(hd0,4) I have (hd1,0). I
have root installed on MD) which is sda1 and sdc1.

Art

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> On my DVD is atmel-firmware-1.3-34.noarch.rpm.  i am running 10.2
> x86_64.  Did you install from DVD or CD?  If CD, set up the odd and
> non-oss sources, or just download and install.  That should get you going.
>
>   
Oops, make that oss and non-oss.  Typo alert.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Art Fore]

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 01:43 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 01:39, Art Fore wrote:
> > I forgot that I had two Nvidia 7300s in the machine. I removed one and
> > all of the problems went away. cpuinfo now shows the clock at 2400 MHz
> > too.
> 
> That's bad. Why? Did you disable power management?
> 
> It's not a good thing that the CPU is maxed the whole time. There is a reason 
> they invented the power management thing
> 
> > Still a very strange problem. I thought linux supported two video 
> > cards.
> 
> It does. Did you try connecting a monitor to the second card? Perhaps the 
> console output is through that card
> 
> Otherwise I guess it could be a problem with the driver
> 
> > Only remaining problem is that I cannot boot with RAID 1 installation.
> > Still comes up with no opereating system found even though I can boot on
> > a clean non-RAID install on either disk.
> 
> Yes, /boot needs to be outside the RAID. I had issues with that as well. It 
> seems lilo and grub can't handle RAID 1 anymore
> 
I did nothing to disable power management. The only thing is on start
up, I have to have the noapic option or it will not boot.

Art

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 01:39, Art Fore wrote:
>
>> Only remaining problem is that I cannot boot with RAID 1 installation.
>> Still comes up with no opereating system found even though I can boot on
>> a clean non-RAID install on either disk.
>> 
>
> Yes, /boot needs to be outside the RAID. I had issues with that as well. It 
> seems lilo and grub can't handle RAID 1 anymore
>
>   
I am running raid 1 with boot inside my raid with no problems (at least
not when Grub is installed in the MBR).  /dev/md0 is my root.  My
menu.lst has, for example,
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 vga=0x31a resume=/dev/hda1
splash=verbose showopts
initrd /boot/initrd

I have tried out several kernels (right now running 2.6.20.2-34-default)
and they have installed and updated my menu.lst and I have had no boot
issues (unlike 10.1, where I just ran grub from the command line as it
seemed to always mess it up).  Grub appears to have no problem with
raid1 boot as long as it can access it.  I have read where newer
versions will support software raid natively, i.e. no more root (hd0,4),
but actually read the root from raid.

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Re: [opensuse] setting up kmail filters

[Robert Smits]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 15:21, dwain wrote:
> I think that I have set up some kmail filters properly, but when the mail
> comes in everything goes to the inbox instead of the folders I have
> assigned to certain subjects.

Have you completed all the steps in making a filter?

Create a folder.

Right click on the message, tell it to create the appropriate sort of filter

Choose the folder you want to have the mail deposited in.

It's not enough to create the folder (which you can also do from the filter 
process), you  must select the folder after creating it. 

You'll know you have it correct when you look in settings, configure filters, 
and each of the filters should have the appropriate folder showing when you 
click on that filter.
>
> Also, how do I set the frequency of when the mail is checked?
>

Go to settings, configure kmail, then go to accounts. Choose one of your 
receive accounts, thenclick om modify it. Once you turn on interval checking, 
you can set the frequency.

> I am making the transition from thunderbird, and this behavior has me
> puzzled. Would someone lend a hand please?

Sure. Hope that helps.

Bob.
>
> Dwain

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Teilhard Knight wrote:
> No, it seems the firmware is not in the distribution. I find these
> packages
> in Berlios, where they provide the driver. Perhaps you are right and
> it is
> only intended for Fedora Core.
>
On my DVD is atmel-firmware-1.3-34.noarch.rpm.  i am running 10.2
x86_64.  Did you install from DVD or CD?  If CD, set up the odd and
non-oss sources, or just download and install.  That should get you going.

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Re: [opensuse] Packman updates

[russbucket]

On Sunday April 8 2007 11:23, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
> On 2007-04-08 12:18, russbucket wrote:
> > http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/
> > Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or user did
> > not accept remote source. Aborting refresh.
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
>
> Did you try a different Packman mirror?
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with Konqueror and it also hung with the repo file. I went to anyother mirror 
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[opensuse] [OT] Horchata

[Ryouga Hibiki]

Saludos, disculpen el Fuera de Topico pero me parecio inetresante (debo 
comenzar a trabajar y dejar de fisgonear donde no me llaman =P)


Leyendo un mensaje, hacen mencion a Horchatas, que es eso?

es esto: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horchata_de_chufa
o esto: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horchata_de_arroz

por la segunda receta me parecio que hacia referencia a esto:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroz_con_leche

Por semana santa se come lo anterior ;)~~

Nuevamente disculpen el Fuera de Topico, espero me puedan indicar 
rapidamente que es horchata y asi dar por teminado este Fuera de Topico.


Gracias

Carlos A.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Anders Johansson]

On Monday 09 April 2007 01:39, Art Fore wrote:
> I forgot that I had two Nvidia 7300s in the machine. I removed one and
> all of the problems went away. cpuinfo now shows the clock at 2400 MHz
> too.

That's bad. Why? Did you disable power management?

It's not a good thing that the CPU is maxed the whole time. There is a reason 
they invented the power management thing

> Still a very strange problem. I thought linux supported two video 
> cards.

It does. Did you try connecting a monitor to the second card? Perhaps the 
console output is through that card

Otherwise I guess it could be a problem with the driver

> Only remaining problem is that I cannot boot with RAID 1 installation.
> Still comes up with no opereating system found even though I can boot on
> a clean non-RAID install on either disk.

Yes, /boot needs to be outside the RAID. I had issues with that as well. It 
seems lilo and grub can't handle RAID 1 anymore

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde (solved)

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 18:16 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 17:59:40 Art Fore wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 16:27 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 08 April 2007 16:16:17 Art Fore wrote:
> > > > Have a computer with GA-M57SLI-S4 (still with Gigabyte bios) that I
> > > > installed Suse 10.2 on. I have had so many problems, I am about to give
> > > > up on it and get another motherboard. Here are the problems. Hopefully
> > > > someone can give me some insight on fixing them.
> > > >
> > > > KDE desktop only has trash can on it, even though the Desktop folder is
> > > > under my user name and contains Firefox, My Computer, etc. My other
> > > > Suse 10.2 64-bit amd shows the Firefox, My Computer, etc on the
> > > > desktop. Have searched through the Desktop Settings, but have not found
> > > > any difference between the two computers. Does not make sense to me why
> > > > they are difference when I installed Suse from the same DVD.
> > >
> > > Go to KDE's control center, System Administration->Paths and make sure
> > > the Desktop path is pointing to your Desktop directory
> >
> > Tried this, they are the same on both machines, that is, the working and
> > not properly working.
> 
> OK, that is strange. Make sure you have read permission on all the desktop 
> files
> 
> >
> > > > When I click the Logout icon under the start menu, it goes away and
> > > > nothi8ng happens. Only way to get out is to ctrl +alt +backspace. Then
> > > > all I get is a black screen. ctrl +alt +delete does nothing. even blind
> > > > typing startx again does nothing. only way out is master reset.
> > >
> > > The logout thing sounds like you have a program hanging that won't
> > > respond. KDE won't exit until all applications running have exited. I
> > > think that is configurable somewhere, but I can't find it this instant.
> >
> > Using Gnome System monitor, nothing happens with it when I click Logout,
> > and everything is sleeping, I mean everything except gnome system
> > monitor.
> 
> It doesn't matter if they're sleeping, the point is that some program or 
> other 
> is refusing to exit. "sleeping" means it's still running, and that's what KDE 
> is looking at
> 
> >
> > > The black screen thing is most likely a graphics driver thing. Are you by
> > > any chance running the ATI binary driver? Because exactly that behaviour
> > > is a known bug, fixed in the latest release (8.35.5)
> >
> > Video cards are Nvidia 7300 on both machines, except the M57SLI is
> > PCIExpress, the other is AGP. Replaced the 9755 driver that I downloaded
> > with the 9629 driver that is on the working machine, same problem.
> 
> OK, it could be the old framebuffer problem. You might want to boot the 
> system 
> without the framebuffer (vga=normal) and see if it still happens
> 

I forgot that I had two Nvidia 7300s in the machine. I removed one and
all of the problems went away. cpuinfo now shows the clock at 2400 MHz
too. Still a very strange problem. I thought linux supported two video
cards.

Only remaining problem is that I cannot boot with RAID 1 installation.
Still comes up with no opereating system found even though I can boot on
a clean non-RAID install on either disk.

Art

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Teilhard Knight]

Teilhard Knight wrote:

I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver of
the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2
detects
the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon
accepting it
installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
/lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2
attempts to
install the firmware.

As already mentioned, it belongs in /lib/firmware.  That is the
directory firmware is loaded from.

I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
src.rpm is a source rpm for building the rpm.  You would want the 
noarch.rpm

or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.

Where do you even see this firmware?  That would be for fedora core 3.
That is not on my 10.2 DVD.


No, it seems the firmware is not in the distribution. I find these packages
in Berlios, where they provide the driver. Perhaps you are right and it is
only intended for Fedora Core.

Teilhard


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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Teilhard Knight]

The Sunday 2007-04-08 at 10:24 -0500, Teilhard Knight wrote:

> denied" every time I try to copy them there as a root. I just cannot 
> explain
> myself why I can get the permission to write in that folder denied if I 
> am

> root. Maybe you can tell me something. And what is a firmware cutter?

Actually, now that I check, I don't have a /lib/firmware directory. 
Should I

create it?


Then forget what I just said about fsck. As to your question, try; you can
always remove it if it doesn't work.


Thank you. And how should I name the configuration file? I thought it should
be ifcfg-wlan0.

Teilhard 



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Re: [opensuse] New Thunderbird.........browser

[James Knott]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get the new T-Bird to respond to a web site in
> emailcalling up a browser? I can't find any setup for it, and T-Bird
> makes NO attempt to bring up any "flavor" of browser. Version of T-Bird
> is: version 2.0.0.0pre (20070329).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fred
>   
On my system, it opens Firefox.


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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Teilhard Knight wrote:
> I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
> wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver of
> the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2
> detects
> the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
> platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon
> accepting it
> installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
> /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2
> attempts to
> install the firmware. 
As already mentioned, it belongs in /lib/firmware.  That is the
directory firmware is loaded from.
> I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
> package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
> configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
> among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or
> "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
src.rpm is a source rpm for building the rpm.  You would want the noarch.rpm
> or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
> "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.
Where do you even see this firmware?  That would be for fedora core 3. 
That is not on my 10.2 DVD.

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Re: [opensuse] Another grep question

[Thomas Hertweck]

James Hatridge wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is a grep or awk question. I have a file with many 
> records of 4 lines each in it. Like this:
> 
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> etc, etc
> 
> I need the file to look like this:
> 
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> etc etc
> 
> How can I do this?

$> paste - - - - < file.in > file.out

Th.
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Re: [opensuse] Another grep question

[Michael Folsom]

Jim:

How about a Perl solution?

I'm sure a Perl Guru could do it in one line but it works on a file
created on a Linux box.

If the original data was created on a Windoze box you may need to deal
with other end of line issues.  Also, if there are stray spaces laying
around that may cause grief -

Hope it works!

No warranty - implicit or implied!


Michael

concat4lines.pl
=
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
#
# Author:  Michael W Folsom
#
#   April 8, 2007
#
# USAGE: ./concat4lines.pl input_file_name
#
#

open(FILE, $ARGV[0]);

$NewStr ="";
$i = 0;

while () {
   # assign the contents of the current line in the file
   #   to the built in variable $_
   chomp($_);

if($i < 4) {
#print $_;
$NewStr = $NewStr . $_;
$i++;
if($i < 4) {
#print "\t";
$NewStr = $NewStr . "\t";
}
else {
print "$NewStr \n";
#$NewStr = $NewStr . "\n";
$i= 0;
$NewStr = "";
}
}
}

# if number of lines not equal to 4 then print out left overs
if($NewStr) {
print "$NewStr\n";
}

close(FILE);

exit();
=

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Hi all,,

I'm not sure if this is a grep or awk question. I have a file with many
records of 4 lines each in it. Like this:

1
2
3
4
1
2
3
4
etc, etc

I need the file to look like this:

1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
etc etc

How can I do this?

Thanks,

JIM
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Re: [opensuse] deleting clamav preferences

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

dwain wrote:
> I have created a situation where I cannot update the clamav database.  I have 
> been having trouble lately with YaST2 not recovering the opensuse 
> repositories thus they were not loading.
>   
You do not need those for updating clamav.  Just run freshclam as root
and it will update the clamav database.
> I'm thinking that if I remove the clamav preferences directory and restart 
> clamav I should be all right.
>
> Any thoughts and would I use:  rm -r ./~clamav to remove the preferences 
> directory?
>   
No.  Just run freshclam.  There really is no need to install the clamav
database rpm, since it is updated daily.

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Re: [opensuse] New Thunderbird.........browser

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get the new T-Bird to respond to a web site in
> emailcalling up a browser? I can't find any setup for it, and T-Bird
> makes NO attempt to bring up any "flavor" of browser. Version of T-Bird
> is: version 2.0.0.0pre (20070329).
>   
I am using the same version, x86_64 arch, and it works fine here.  It
opens firefox (32 bit) with no problems.

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Re: [opensuse] New Thunderbird.........browser

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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get the new T-Bird to respond to a web site in
> emailcalling up a browser? I can't find any setup for it, and T-Bird
> makes NO attempt to bring up any "flavor" of browser. Version of T-Bird
> is: version 2.0.0.0pre (20070329).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fred
>   
You need to make sure that you have a default browser set.  If you use
Firefox make sure that it is set to be your default browser and then
Tbird will open FF.

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[opensuse] New Thunderbird.........browser

[Fred A. Miller]

Does anyone know how to get the new T-Bird to respond to a web site in
emailcalling up a browser? I can't find any setup for it, and T-Bird
makes NO attempt to bring up any "flavor" of browser. Version of T-Bird
is: version 2.0.0.0pre (20070329).

Thanks!

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[opensuse] setting up kmail filters

[dwain]

I think that I have set up some kmail filters properly, but when the mail 
comes in everything goes to the inbox instead of the folders I have assigned 
to certain subjects.

Also, how do I set the frequency of when the mail is checked?

I am making the transition from thunderbird, and this behavior has me puzzled.  
Would someone lend a hand please?

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Re: [opensuse] suse install problem

[M Harris]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:15, G.T.Smith wrote:
> The CD boot
> is a BIOS related thing not a Linux Kernel related thing, unless the
> kernel can identify the correct driver it cannot communicate with it.
Thanks everyone for your responses... yous guys are right sure 
enough... it 
was the driver (and a no-dma thing). In fact, the safe options pretty much 
got it... whew... I mean Ubuntu would have been ok for him... but I've been 
bragging up Suse for so long he was going to be disappointed to not get to 
see it... anyway, I am happily loading the old Dell...  Thanks dudes!


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[opensuse] deleting clamav preferences

[dwain]

I have created a situation where I cannot update the clamav database.  I have 
been having trouble lately with YaST2 not recovering the opensuse 
repositories thus they were not loading.

When I reinstalled clamav the database was not there to install.  After 
finally getting the main oss and non-oss repositories installed in YaST2, I 
had the database offering and loaded it.

I find now that in the update section of clamav that the update for the 
database is grayed out.

I'm thinking that if I remove the clamav preferences directory and restart 
clamav I should be all right.

Any thoughts and would I use:  rm -r ./~clamav to remove the preferences 
directory?

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Re: [opensuse] Another grep question

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 20:49:02 James Hatridge wrote:
> Hi all,,
>
> I'm not sure if this is a grep or awk question. I have a file with many
> records of 4 lines each in it. Like this:
>
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> etc, etc
>
> I need the file to look like this:
>
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> etc etc
>
> How can I do this?

Perhaps with bash?

#!/bin/bash

while read line1; do
read line2;
read line3;
read line4;
echo -e "$line1\t$line2\t$line3\t$line4" >> outputfile
done < testfile

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Re: [opensuse] Another grep question

[Hans du Plooy]

On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 20:49 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is a grep or awk question. I have a file with many 
> records of 4 lines each in it. Like this:
> 
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4
> etc, etc
> 
> I need the file to look like this:
> 
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> 1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
> etc etc

I imagine sed is your friend.  Replace the newline character with the
tab character.  Don't ask me the syntax though.

Of course, that doesn't take care of the groups for three though...

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Re: [opensuse] Huawei E220 on openSuSE 10.2

[Rui Santos]

Martin Mielke wrote:
> Hi Rui,
> 

Hi Martin,

> thanks for your reply and sorry for getting back in touch so late..
> 
> Yes, I was talking about a Huawei E220 USB, sorry for not making it clear...

no problem :)

> 
> Well, I followed your descriptions but I still cannot use it under openSuSE 
> 10.2 (kernel 2.6.18.2-34-default).

On the company I work at, I've managed to make about 30 of them work
under those instructions, on a mix of openSUSE10.1 and openSUSE10.2. You
must have missed something...

> 
> When I reboot the laptop with the E220 connected to it, as you suggested, it 
> shows up as removable storage. So I must eject /media/MOBILE_CONNECT...

According to your /var/log/messages files you posted at bottom, it is
being detected. It should be available at /dev/ttyUSB0

> 
> When creating the new /etc/udev/rules.d/10-huaweie220.rules file I get these 
> errors in /var/log/messages all the time:
> 
> Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid rule 
> '/etc/udev/rules.d/10-huaweie220.rules:1'
> Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid KERNEL operation
> Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid rule 
> '/etc/udev/rules.d/hsf.rules:1'

Strange !! Can you email me your /etc/udev/rules.d/10-huaweie220.rules ?

> 
> 
> And now some pasted lines from the /var/log/message file:
> 
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using 
> uhci_hcd and address 11
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new device found, idVendor=12d1, 
> idProduct=1003
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
> SerialNumber=0
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: Product: HUAWEI Mobile
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: Manufacturer: HUAWEI Technologies
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.0: generic converter 
> detected
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to 
> ttyUSB0

Sould be this one...

> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.1: generic converter 
> detected
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to 
> ttyUSB1
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.2: generic converter 
> detected
> Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to 
> ttyUSB2
> Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe ifup: modem0
> Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe pppd[14643]: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded.
> Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe pppd[14643]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
> Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe ifup-ppp: interface modem0 is up
> Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Warning: ip6tables does not support state 
> matching. Extended IPv6 support disabled.
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Setting up rules from 
> /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2 ...
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: batch committing...
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Firewall rules successfully set
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Initializing modem.
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Sending: ATZ
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Sending: ATQ0
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Re-Sending: ATZ
> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Modem not responding.

Opps. Not even an AT gets through? strange !

> Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe pppd[14643]: Connect script failed
> Apr  4 22:31:42 hexe pppd[14643]: Exit.
> Apr  4 22:31:47 hexe ifdown: modem0
> 
> 
> I must execute ifup/ifdown modem0 manually in order to create a link... still 
> it doesn't work.
> 
> Now some of the relevant files:
> 
> hexe:~ # cat /etc/sysconfig/network/providers/provider0
> ASKPASSWORD='no'
> AUTODNS='yes'
> DEMAND='yes'
> DNS1='80.58.0.33'
> DNS2='80.58.32.97'
> DSLSUPPORTED='no'
> IDLETIME='0'
> ISDNSUPPORTED='no'
> MODEMSUPPORTED='yes'
> MODIFYDNS='yes'
> PASSWORD='vodafone'
> PHONE='*99***1#'
> PROVIDER='vodafone'
> STUPIDMODE='yes'
> USERNAME='vodafone'
> 
> 
> hexe:~ # cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-modem0
> BOOTPROTO='none'
> DIALCOMMAND='ATDT'
> DIALPREFIX=''
> DIALPREFIXREGEX=''
> INIT1='ATZ'
> INIT2='AT&F'
> INIT3='ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0'
> INIT8='ATM0'
> INIT9=''
These INIT's are not what I have sent you. Use the ones I've sent you...

> MODEM_DEVICE='/dev/ttyS0'

This should be /dev/ttyUSB0

> NAME='Modem'
> PPPD_OPTIONS=''
> PROVIDER='provider0'
> SPEED='460800'
> STARTMODE='hotplug'
> UNIQUE=''
> USERCONTROL='yes'
> 
> 
> ...as I need to enter the SIM PIN-code I modified it a little bit to use 
> "Init1 = AT+CPIN=" but still it doesn't work...

The method you use to enter the PIN is correct but, it only works the
first time. If you try to enter that same AT a second time the dial
script aborts with an error. Be careful on that. Wy don't you just
disable the PIN ( just an idea ).
> 
> Surely there's a very stupid thing I'm overseeing and therefore it doesn't 
> work.

No, it's 

[opensuse] Another grep question

[James Hatridge]

Hi all,,

I'm not sure if this is a grep or awk question. I have a file with many 
records of 4 lines each in it. Like this:

1
2
3
4
1
2
3
4
etc, etc

I need the file to look like this:

1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
1 tab 2 tab 3 tab 4
etc etc

How can I do this?

Thanks,

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Re: [opensuse] Huawei E220 on openSuSE 10.2

[Martin Mielke]

Hi Rui,

thanks for your reply and sorry for getting back in touch so late..

Yes, I was talking about a Huawei E220 USB, sorry for not making it clear...

Well, I followed your descriptions but I still cannot use it under openSuSE 
10.2 (kernel 2.6.18.2-34-default).

When I reboot the laptop with the E220 connected to it, as you suggested, it 
shows up as removable storage. So I must eject /media/MOBILE_CONNECT...

When creating the new /etc/udev/rules.d/10-huaweie220.rules file I get these 
errors in /var/log/messages all the time:

Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid rule 
'/etc/udev/rules.d/10-huaweie220.rules:1'
Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid KERNEL operation
Apr  8 19:02:51 hexe udevd[933]: add_to_rules: invalid rule 
'/etc/udev/rules.d/hsf.rules:1'


And now some pasted lines from the /var/log/message file:

Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd 
and address 11
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new device found, idVendor=12d1, 
idProduct=1003
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: new device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=0
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: Product: HUAWEI Mobile
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: Manufacturer: HUAWEI Technologies
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.0: generic converter 
detected
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.1: generic converter 
detected
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to ttyUSB1
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usbserial_generic 4-1:1.2: generic converter 
detected
Apr  4 22:31:35 hexe kernel: usb 4-1: generic converter now attached to ttyUSB2
Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe ifup: modem0
Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe pppd[14643]: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded.
Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe pppd[14643]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0
Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe ifup-ppp: interface modem0 is up
Apr  4 22:31:40 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Warning: ip6tables does not support state 
matching. Extended IPv6 support disabled.
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Setting up rules from 
/etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall2 ...
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: batch committing...
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe SuSEfirewall2: Firewall rules successfully set
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Initializing modem.
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Sending: ATZ
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Sending: ATQ0
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Re-Sending: ATZ
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe wvdial[14817]: Modem not responding.
Apr  4 22:31:41 hexe pppd[14643]: Connect script failed
Apr  4 22:31:42 hexe pppd[14643]: Exit.
Apr  4 22:31:47 hexe ifdown: modem0


I must execute ifup/ifdown modem0 manually in order to create a link... still 
it doesn't work.

Now some of the relevant files:

hexe:~ # cat /etc/sysconfig/network/providers/provider0
ASKPASSWORD='no'
AUTODNS='yes'
DEMAND='yes'
DNS1='80.58.0.33'
DNS2='80.58.32.97'
DSLSUPPORTED='no'
IDLETIME='0'
ISDNSUPPORTED='no'
MODEMSUPPORTED='yes'
MODIFYDNS='yes'
PASSWORD='vodafone'
PHONE='*99***1#'
PROVIDER='vodafone'
STUPIDMODE='yes'
USERNAME='vodafone'


hexe:~ # cat /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-modem0
BOOTPROTO='none'
DIALCOMMAND='ATDT'
DIALPREFIX=''
DIALPREFIXREGEX=''
INIT1='ATZ'
INIT2='AT&F'
INIT3='ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0'
INIT8='ATM0'
INIT9=''
MODEM_DEVICE='/dev/ttyS0'
NAME='Modem'
PPPD_OPTIONS=''
PROVIDER='provider0'
SPEED='460800'
STARTMODE='hotplug'
UNIQUE=''
USERCONTROL='yes'


...as I need to enter the SIM PIN-code I modified it a little bit to use "Init1 
= AT+CPIN=" but still it doesn't work...

Surely there's a very stupid thing I'm overseeing and therefore it doesn't work.

We could continue this issue off the list until I get it solved. I'll post the 
final solution then... what do you think?

Thanks in advance!


Regards,
Martin


- Original Message 
From: Rui Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: OpenSuSE 
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 1:53:28 PM
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Huawei E220 on openSuSE 10.2



Martin Mielke wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> it seems that I've made a mistake by subscribing a HSDPA with my provider 
> (Vodafone)... at least I have 15 days to try it out before bringing it back...
>
> Well, after googling around for a while I cannot get the device to work at 
> all...
> Some of the links I found do provide very useful information but in the end I 
> still cannot use that device from my laptop...
>
> So, before flooding you with logfiles, configurations and so, I'd like to 
> know: has anyone here successfully installed such HSDPA device under openSuSE 
> 10.2?? if so, which considerations should I keep in mind?
>   

I Assume you mean HUAWEI E220 USB.

I did :)

Here are a few instructions to get it to work:


1) At /et

Re: [opensuse] Packman updates

[Robert Smits]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:18, russbucket wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems with packman this weekend. yesterday and
> today mu suseupdater on YaST on-line update hang when trying to access
> packman. I deleted it and recreated it in installation sources but it still
> hangs. Has the repository been moved?
>
> error message:
>
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/
> Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or user did not
> accept remote source. Aborting refresh.
>

I was having the same problem so I changed to a different mirror. Problem 
gone.


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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

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> > But yes, integration is better with later versions. There were a few
> > glitches on 9.3 and roundabouts.
> 
> Probably but I did not tested gnome/kde with one user on 10.2. However I
> could not use gnome and kde with the same user on suse 10.0. When I set
> up different font size on gnome then kde font size changed too. 

I skipped 10.0. The only issue I noticed in 10.2 (and 10.1 and 9.3, etc) 
is the sound: the last desktop always tries to snatch sound from the 
previous one.

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Re: [opensuse] Packman updates

[Jan Tiggy]

russbucket wrote:

> Is anyone else having problems with packman this weekend. yesterday and today 
> mu suseupdater on YaST on-line update hang when trying to access packman. I 
> deleted it and recreated it in installation sources but it still hangs. Has 
> the repository been moved?
> 
> error message:
> 
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/
> Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or user did not 
> accept remote source. Aborting refresh.   
>   
> Thanks for any input.

Well packman rsynced last night very smooth. However I use different
server. The repodata folder is there, so if nothing is wrong with the
data then maybe a bottleneck occurs today on thas particular server. I'd
say try another one.

Thx
Jan
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Re: [opensuse] Packman updates

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-04-08 12:18, russbucket wrote:
> http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/
> Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or user did not 
> accept remote source. Aborting refresh.   
>   
> Thanks for any input.
>   
Did you try a different Packman mirror?

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[opensuse] Packman updates

[russbucket]

Is anyone else having problems with packman this weekend. yesterday and today 
mu suseupdater on YaST on-line update hang when trying to access packman. I 
deleted it and recreated it in installation sources but it still hangs. Has 
the repository been moved?

error message:

http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/
Unknown Error: Downloading metadata failed (is YUM source?) or user did not 
accept remote source. Aborting refresh. 

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Re: [opensuse] How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse?

[Nikolay Derkach]

В сообщении от 8 апреля 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] написал(a):
> How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse? Internet Explorer on Windows
> can read them but Firofox or Konqueror cannnot :( I have several
> important documents in this format please help.
>
> Josef Tomes

At least Opera handles .mht archives.

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How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse? Internet Explorer on Windows can 
read them but Firofox or Konqueror cannnot :(
I have several important documents in this format please help.

Josef Tomes


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Re: [opensuse] clamav vs avg for linux

[dwain]

Jan Tiggy wrote:
> dwain wrote:
>
>   
>> So are you then recommending that i use clamav?  Is it a command line
>> program?  I guess I can find the instructions in the man pages?  Do I
>> access the man pages through the command line?  Is the command /man/man?
>> 
>
> There are only 3 purposes for using antivirus on linux I can think of at
> the moment:
>
> 1. Scanning emails, so you don't redistribute viruses or don't catch
> phishing mails.
> 2. Scanning files provided to Windows Clients via server (SAMBA)
> 3. Scanning files provided to Windows Clients via removable medias.
>
> Which antivirus you gonna use it's up to you.
>
> Thx
> Jan
>   
Thanks, Jan.  That makes a lot of sense to me.

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Re: [opensuse] clamav vs avg for linux

[dwain]

Robert Smits wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:15, Lennart Jonasson wrote:
>   
>> Dwain wrote:
>> 
>>> So are you then recommending that i use clamav?  Is it a command line
>>> program?  I guess I can find the instructions in the man pages?  Do I
>>> access the man pages through the command line?  Is the command /man/man?
>>>
>>> Dwain
>>>   
>> Yes clamav is a command line program. (man clamd,  with related manpages:
>> clamd.conf(5),  clamdscan(1),  clamscan(1),  freshclam(1),  sigtool(1),
>> clamav-milter(8)).
>>
>> I have found it much easier to use the KDE frontend for it called Klamav.
>> 
>
> You don't even have to deal with klamav. You just install clamav, open up 
> Kmail, go to Tools and activate the anti-vrus wizard. It finds clamav, lets 
> you set a couple of options and you're done. 
>
>   
Thanks for the information.  I set up Kmail last night, imported
everything from thunderbird.  I guess I was closer than I thought.

Dwain

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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Jan Tiggy]

Carlos E. R. schrieb:

> No way! I have been using both gnome and kde since I started with linux
> ten years ago, as the whim takes me each day - even simultaneously - with
> the same user, of course.
> 
> But yes, integration is better with later versions. There were a few
> glitches on 9.3 and roundabouts.

Probably but I did not tested gnome/kde with one user on 10.2. However I
could not use gnome and kde with the same user on suse 10.0. When I set
up different font size on gnome then kde font size changed too. And the
most irritating was while using kxdocker with fake transparency. The
Desktop background was the one set in kde but kxdocker backgrounded its
fake transparency from gnome. Believe me it looked really ridiculous.

Thx
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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:53, German Guillot wrote:
...
> Hm, not the same thing here. Right now I'm logged in, with the same
> user, to both KDE and Gnome (KDE came first). From neither of them
> does Alt F7 have any effect on the session I see. I can go to other
> shells with Ctrl-Alt F1-6, and once there a simple Alt F# takes me to
> any of the other sessions, 1-6 for the log-in shells and 7 for the
> graphic desktop. But, no matter from which desktop I switched to the
> shell (1-6), once in the shell Alt F7 will always take me to KDE (I
> assume this is because I logged in there first, which is why I
> mentioned it).
>
> But the behaviour you describe does not occur here. Perhaps it's
> configurable?

First session is by default virtual terminal 7, second is vt8 etc.
From any window manager Ctrl-Alt-F7 is first (default) session, Ctrl-Alt-F8 
would be second, etc. 
The Ctrl-Alt-Fn combination is intercepted by X server, so it works in any 
window manager.

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Re: [opensuse] clamav vs avg for linux

[Robert Smits]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:15, Lennart Jonasson wrote:
> Dwain wrote:
> > So are you then recommending that i use clamav?  Is it a command line
> > program?  I guess I can find the instructions in the man pages?  Do I
> > access the man pages through the command line?  Is the command /man/man?
> >
> > Dwain
>
> Yes clamav is a command line program. (man clamd,  with related manpages:
> clamd.conf(5),  clamdscan(1),  clamscan(1),  freshclam(1),  sigtool(1),
> clamav-milter(8)).
>
> I have found it much easier to use the KDE frontend for it called Klamav.

You don't even have to deal with klamav. You just install clamav, open up 
Kmail, go to Tools and activate the anti-vrus wizard. It finds clamav, lets 
you set a couple of options and you're done. 

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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Jerry Feldman]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:49:58 -0700
Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 08 April 2007 09:27, James Knott wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > Does Alt-Fn not work in Gnome?  For example in KDE, if I want to
> > switch to the 2nd desktop, I press Alt F7 and then Alt F6 to go back.
> 
> Control+Alt+Fn does that in KDE. If you're in a virtual console, then 
> the Alt+ is enough.
Control+Alt+Fn works from either KDE or GNOME. alt-fn, as James
mentioned is to switch between virtual terminals.


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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[German Guillot]

On 4/8/07, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
.

Here is a general command line way to add desktops:
If you go to one of the virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-fn from KDE or
GNOME), the startx command can start a second desktop and associate it
with f8.
~> startx gnome -- :3
This will start a new GNOME session.
When teaching my Linux course, I generally have both KDE and GNOME
running so I can easily show the students.


This just keeps getting better! Now I can switch between one desktop
and the other inmediately with Ctr-Alt F7 / F8. Brilliant! Thanks for
the tip.
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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[James Knott]

German Guillot wrote:
> On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > For now KDE wins--it's dead easy to switch to Gnome (or, I suppose,
>> > whatever other session is open), just ask it to switch. Whereas from
>> > Gnome, from what I can see, you ask to switch user and you're taken to
>> > the login screen, where you have to give your login information again,
>> > and then click on "no, it's ok thanks, I don't want to log in again
>> > I'll just return to the previous session). Takes longer and includes
>> > several more steps. 1-0 for KDE, so far.
>> > g
>> Does Alt-Fn not work in Gnome?  For example in KDE, if I want to switch
>> to the 2nd desktop, I press Alt F7 and then Alt F6 to go back.
>
> Hm, not the same thing here. Right now I'm logged in, with the same
> user, to both KDE and Gnome (KDE came first). From neither of them
> does Alt F7 have any effect on the session I see. I can go to other
> shells with Ctrl-Alt F1-6, and once there a simple Alt F# takes me to
> any of the other sessions, 1-6 for the log-in shells and 7 for the
> graphic desktop. But, no matter from which desktop I switched to the
> shell (1-6), once in the shell Alt F7 will always take me to KDE (I
> assume this is because I logged in there first, which is why I
> mentioned it).
>
> But the behaviour you describe does not occur here. Perhaps it's
> configurable?
That was a typo in my message.  It should have been Ctrl-Alt-Fn.


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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[German Guillot]

On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> For now KDE wins--it's dead easy to switch to Gnome (or, I suppose,
> whatever other session is open), just ask it to switch. Whereas from
> Gnome, from what I can see, you ask to switch user and you're taken to
> the login screen, where you have to give your login information again,
> and then click on "no, it's ok thanks, I don't want to log in again
> I'll just return to the previous session). Takes longer and includes
> several more steps. 1-0 for KDE, so far.
> g
Does Alt-Fn not work in Gnome?  For example in KDE, if I want to switch
to the 2nd desktop, I press Alt F7 and then Alt F6 to go back.


Hm, not the same thing here. Right now I'm logged in, with the same
user, to both KDE and Gnome (KDE came first). From neither of them
does Alt F7 have any effect on the session I see. I can go to other
shells with Ctrl-Alt F1-6, and once there a simple Alt F# takes me to
any of the other sessions, 1-6 for the log-in shells and 7 for the
graphic desktop. But, no matter from which desktop I switched to the
shell (1-6), once in the shell Alt F7 will always take me to KDE (I
assume this is because I logged in there first, which is why I
mentioned it).

But the behaviour you describe does not occur here. Perhaps it's configurable?
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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Jerry Feldman]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:15:28 +0200
"German Guillot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For now KDE wins--it's dead easy to switch to Gnome (or, I suppose,
> whatever other session is open), just ask it to switch. Whereas from
> Gnome, from what I can see, you ask to switch user and you're taken to
> the login screen, where you have to give your login information again,
> and then click on "no, it's ok thanks, I don't want to log in again
> I'll just return to the previous session). Takes longer and includes
> several more steps. 1-0 for KDE, so far.
Here is a general command line way to add desktops:
If you go to one of the virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-fn from KDE or
GNOME), the startx command can start a second desktop and associate it
with f8.
~> startx gnome -- :3
This will start a new GNOME session. 
When teaching my Linux course, I generally have both KDE and GNOME
running so I can easily show the students. 
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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Randall R Schulz]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 09:27, James Knott wrote:
> ...
>
> Does Alt-Fn not work in Gnome?  For example in KDE, if I want to
> switch to the 2nd desktop, I press Alt F7 and then Alt F6 to go back.

Control+Alt+Fn does that in KDE. If you're in a virtual console, then 
the Alt+ is enough.


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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[G.T.Smith]

Teilhard Knight wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
> wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver of
> the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2
> detects
> the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
> platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon
> accepting it
> installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
> /lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2
> attempts to
> install the firmware. I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
> package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
> configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
> among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or
> "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
> or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
> "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.
>
> I tried writing the configuration file "ifcfg-wlan0" in
> /etc/sysconfig/network, but Yast2 detected this as another (absent)
> interface.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> Teilhard
>

The following link give a fairly comprehensive set of information on
WiFI and Linux. I have found the openSuse stuff to be a little thin.
There is a bit of a problem with 64 operating systems and WiFi drivers
for both Windows and Linux users in so far as suppliers tend not to
create 32 bit drivers and 32 bit drivers generally do not work with 64
bit operating systems. The NDISwrapper site of sourceforge is a lso a
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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[James Knott]

German Guillot wrote:
> On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> German Guillot wrote:
>> > On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do you see a "Session type" option on your login screen?  That's
>> where
>> >> you choose the desktop type.  Now, if you want to have both
>> running on
>> >> the same time, the process (in KDE), is to click on the green
>> Geeko and
>> >> select Switch User > Start New Session, which brings you to a new
>> login
>> >> screen.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wow, that's pretty neat. I now have Gnome and KDE running at the same
>> > time. I mean, I don't know what I would want that for, at least not
>> > yet, but from thinking that I could only have one desktop to having
>> > both simultaneously on the same day is a serious leap. Ain't Linux
>> > amazing? :))
>> Not only that, but the different desktops don't even have to be on the
>> same computer.  If you've enabled XDMCP, you can login to other
>> computers and have KDE, Gnome or other desktops there.  I've even done
>> this to access my home computer from work.
>>
>
> For now KDE wins--it's dead easy to switch to Gnome (or, I suppose,
> whatever other session is open), just ask it to switch. Whereas from
> Gnome, from what I can see, you ask to switch user and you're taken to
> the login screen, where you have to give your login information again,
> and then click on "no, it's ok thanks, I don't want to log in again
> I'll just return to the previous session). Takes longer and includes
> several more steps. 1-0 for KDE, so far.
> g
Does Alt-Fn not work in Gnome?  For example in KDE, if I want to switch
to the 2nd desktop, I press Alt F7 and then Alt F6 to go back.


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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[German Guillot]

On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

German Guillot wrote:
> On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Do you see a "Session type" option on your login screen?  That's where
>> you choose the desktop type.  Now, if you want to have both running on
>> the same time, the process (in KDE), is to click on the green Geeko and
>> select Switch User > Start New Session, which brings you to a new login
>> screen.
>
>
> Wow, that's pretty neat. I now have Gnome and KDE running at the same
> time. I mean, I don't know what I would want that for, at least not
> yet, but from thinking that I could only have one desktop to having
> both simultaneously on the same day is a serious leap. Ain't Linux
> amazing? :))
Not only that, but the different desktops don't even have to be on the
same computer.  If you've enabled XDMCP, you can login to other
computers and have KDE, Gnome or other desktops there.  I've even done
this to access my home computer from work.



For now KDE wins--it's dead easy to switch to Gnome (or, I suppose,
whatever other session is open), just ask it to switch. Whereas from
Gnome, from what I can see, you ask to switch user and you're taken to
the login screen, where you have to give your login information again,
and then click on "no, it's ok thanks, I don't want to log in again
I'll just return to the previous session). Takes longer and includes
several more steps. 1-0 for KDE, so far.
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 17:59:40 Art Fore wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 16:27 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
> > On Sunday 08 April 2007 16:16:17 Art Fore wrote:
> > > Have a computer with GA-M57SLI-S4 (still with Gigabyte bios) that I
> > > installed Suse 10.2 on. I have had so many problems, I am about to give
> > > up on it and get another motherboard. Here are the problems. Hopefully
> > > someone can give me some insight on fixing them.
> > >
> > > KDE desktop only has trash can on it, even though the Desktop folder is
> > > under my user name and contains Firefox, My Computer, etc. My other
> > > Suse 10.2 64-bit amd shows the Firefox, My Computer, etc on the
> > > desktop. Have searched through the Desktop Settings, but have not found
> > > any difference between the two computers. Does not make sense to me why
> > > they are difference when I installed Suse from the same DVD.
> >
> > Go to KDE's control center, System Administration->Paths and make sure
> > the Desktop path is pointing to your Desktop directory
>
> Tried this, they are the same on both machines, that is, the working and
> not properly working.

OK, that is strange. Make sure you have read permission on all the desktop 
files

>
> > > When I click the Logout icon under the start menu, it goes away and
> > > nothi8ng happens. Only way to get out is to ctrl +alt +backspace. Then
> > > all I get is a black screen. ctrl +alt +delete does nothing. even blind
> > > typing startx again does nothing. only way out is master reset.
> >
> > The logout thing sounds like you have a program hanging that won't
> > respond. KDE won't exit until all applications running have exited. I
> > think that is configurable somewhere, but I can't find it this instant.
>
> Using Gnome System monitor, nothing happens with it when I click Logout,
> and everything is sleeping, I mean everything except gnome system
> monitor.

It doesn't matter if they're sleeping, the point is that some program or other 
is refusing to exit. "sleeping" means it's still running, and that's what KDE 
is looking at

>
> > The black screen thing is most likely a graphics driver thing. Are you by
> > any chance running the ATI binary driver? Because exactly that behaviour
> > is a known bug, fixed in the latest release (8.35.5)
>
> Video cards are Nvidia 7300 on both machines, except the M57SLI is
> PCIExpress, the other is AGP. Replaced the 9755 driver that I downloaded
> with the 9629 driver that is on the working machine, same problem.

OK, it could be the old framebuffer problem. You might want to boot the system 
without the framebuffer (vga=normal) and see if it still happens

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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[James Knott]

German Guillot wrote:
> On 4/8/07, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Do you see a "Session type" option on your login screen?  That's where
>> you choose the desktop type.  Now, if you want to have both running on
>> the same time, the process (in KDE), is to click on the green Geeko and
>> select Switch User > Start New Session, which brings you to a new login
>> screen.
>
>
> Wow, that's pretty neat. I now have Gnome and KDE running at the same
> time. I mean, I don't know what I would want that for, at least not
> yet, but from thinking that I could only have one desktop to having
> both simultaneously on the same day is a serious leap. Ain't Linux
> amazing? :))
Not only that, but the different desktops don't even have to be on the
same computer.  If you've enabled XDMCP, you can login to other
computers and have KDE, Gnome or other desktops there.  I've even done
this to access my home computer from work.


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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde

[Art Fore]

On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 16:27 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 16:16:17 Art Fore wrote:
> > Have a computer with GA-M57SLI-S4 (still with Gigabyte bios) that I
> > installed Suse 10.2 on. I have had so many problems, I am about to give
> > up on it and get another motherboard. Here are the problems. Hopefully
> > someone can give me some insight on fixing them.
> >
> > KDE desktop only has trash can on it, even though the Desktop folder is
> > under my user name and contains Firefox, My Computer, etc. My other Suse
> > 10.2 64-bit amd shows the Firefox, My Computer, etc on the desktop. Have
> > searched through the Desktop Settings, but have not found any difference
> > between the two computers. Does not make sense to me why they are
> > difference when I installed Suse from the same DVD.
> 
> Go to KDE's control center, System Administration->Paths and make sure the 
> Desktop path is pointing to your Desktop directory

Tried this, they are the same on both machines, that is, the working and
not properly working.

> 
> > When I click the Logout icon under the start menu, it goes away and
> > nothi8ng happens. Only way to get out is to ctrl +alt +backspace. Then
> > all I get is a black screen. ctrl +alt +delete does nothing. even blind
> > typing startx again does nothing. only way out is master reset.
> 
> The logout thing sounds like you have a program hanging that won't respond. 
> KDE won't exit until all applications running have exited. I think that is 
> configurable somewhere, but I can't find it this instant.

Using Gnome System monitor, nothing happens with it when I click Logout,
and everything is sleeping, I mean everything except gnome system
monitor.

> 
> The black screen thing is most likely a graphics driver thing. Are you by any 
> chance running the ATI binary driver? Because exactly that behaviour is a 
> known bug, fixed in the latest release (8.35.5)

Video cards are Nvidia 7300 on both machines, except the M57SLI is
PCIExpress, the other is AGP. Replaced the 9755 driver that I downloaded
with the 9629 driver that is on the working machine, same problem.
> 
> > /proc/cpuinfo both cores are shown, but the clock frequency is shown as
> > 1000 MHz, eventhough it is an AMD64 dual core 4600+. My other computer
> > has a 3800+ and shows 2000 MHz clock frequency. Gnome system monitor on
> > both machines shows the % of each core. Don't know if this is a linux
> > problem or bios reporting problem or whatever.
> 
> No, it is a power management thing. To conserve energy, your CPUs aren't 
> running at full throttle unless you need them to. Run a CPU-intensive program 
> and look at the cpuinfo again

Will check that out.

Art
> 

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Carlos E. R.]

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> > denied" every time I try to copy them there as a root. I just cannot explain
> > myself why I can get the permission to write in that folder denied if I am
> > root. Maybe you can tell me something. And what is a firmware cutter?
> 
> Actually, now that I check, I don't have a /lib/firmware directory. Should I
> create it?

Then forget what I just said about fsck. As to your question, try; you can 
always remove it if it doesn't work.

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

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> I get: "permission
> denied" every time I try to copy them there as a root. I just cannot explain
> myself why I can get the permission to write in that folder denied if I am
> root. 

Is your filesystem reiserfs? If so, you need to boot the rescue system on 
DVD and do an fsck on "/".

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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Teilhard Knight]

Teilhard Knight wrote:

Hello:

I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver 
of

the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2
detects
the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon
accepting it
installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
/lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2
attempts to
install the firmware. I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.

I tried writing the configuration file "ifcfg-wlan0" in
/etc/sysconfig/network, but Yast2 detected this as another (absent)
interface.

Any help will be appreciated.

Teilhard


Try extracting the firmware to /lib/firmware; that is where mine went
when I executed the fwcutter program.  However, my card is a BCM43XX.
There may not be a firmware cutter for your card.


Thank you. I can't place the .bin files in /lib/firmware. I get: 
"permission denied" every time I try to copy them there as a root. I just 
cannot explain myself why I can get the permission to write in that folder 
denied if I am root. Maybe you can tell me something. And what is a 
firmware cutter?


Actually, now that I check, I don't have a /lib/firmware directory. Should I 
create it?


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Re: [opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Teilhard Knight]

Teilhard Knight wrote:

Hello:

I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver of
the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2
detects
the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon
accepting it
installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
/lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2
attempts to
install the firmware. I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.

I tried writing the configuration file "ifcfg-wlan0" in
/etc/sysconfig/network, but Yast2 detected this as another (absent)
interface.

Any help will be appreciated.

Teilhard


Try extracting the firmware to /lib/firmware; that is where mine went
when I executed the fwcutter program.  However, my card is a BCM43XX.
There may not be a firmware cutter for your card.


Thank you. I can't place the .bin files in /lib/firmware. I get: "permission 
denied" every time I try to copy them there as a root. I just cannot explain 
myself why I can get the permission to write in that folder denied if I am 
root. Maybe you can tell me something. And what is a firmware cutter?


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Re: [opensuse] suse install problem

[Rajko M.]

On Saturday 07 April 2007 13:14, M Harris wrote:

> can not find the info file

See if this helps:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=178029
 
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Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!

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The Sunday 2007-04-08 at 08:51 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:

> > But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I
> > should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So
> > plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
> >
> > Thx in Advance
> 
> We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-)

Amen! X'-)


(pun intended ;-) )

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[opensuse] Wireless configuration

[Teilhard Knight]

Hello:

I'm new to Suse and I am not an expert in Linux. I want to configure my
wireless Linksys WUSB11 Version 2.6 nic with Atmel chipset. The driver of
the device is correctly loaded in the kernel (at76_usb), and Yast2 detects
the card all right. Problem is, when I try to configure the card the
platform announces it will install the atmel-firmware, but upon accepting it
installs nothing. I have loaded the firmware .bin files in
/lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/drivers/firmware/, but still Yast2 attempts to
install the firmware. I have thought that maybe installing the firmware
package Yast2 will detect the package installed an will allow me to
configure my nic. But I am afraid I have not an idea of what to choose
among: "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.noarch.rpm" or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1.src.rpm"
or "atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.src.rpm" or lastly:
"atmel-firmware-1.3-1fc3.noarch.rpm". My box is an AMD64.

I tried writing the configuration file "ifcfg-wlan0" in
/etc/sysconfig/network, but Yast2 detected this as another (absent)
interface.

Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde

[Anders Johansson]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 16:16:17 Art Fore wrote:
> Have a computer with GA-M57SLI-S4 (still with Gigabyte bios) that I
> installed Suse 10.2 on. I have had so many problems, I am about to give
> up on it and get another motherboard. Here are the problems. Hopefully
> someone can give me some insight on fixing them.
>
> KDE desktop only has trash can on it, even though the Desktop folder is
> under my user name and contains Firefox, My Computer, etc. My other Suse
> 10.2 64-bit amd shows the Firefox, My Computer, etc on the desktop. Have
> searched through the Desktop Settings, but have not found any difference
> between the two computers. Does not make sense to me why they are
> difference when I installed Suse from the same DVD.

Go to KDE's control center, System Administration->Paths and make sure the 
Desktop path is pointing to your Desktop directory

> When I click the Logout icon under the start menu, it goes away and
> nothi8ng happens. Only way to get out is to ctrl +alt +backspace. Then
> all I get is a black screen. ctrl +alt +delete does nothing. even blind
> typing startx again does nothing. only way out is master reset.

The logout thing sounds like you have a program hanging that won't respond. 
KDE won't exit until all applications running have exited. I think that is 
configurable somewhere, but I can't find it this instant.

The black screen thing is most likely a graphics driver thing. Are you by any 
chance running the ATI binary driver? Because exactly that behaviour is a 
known bug, fixed in the latest release (8.35.5)

> /proc/cpuinfo both cores are shown, but the clock frequency is shown as
> 1000 MHz, eventhough it is an AMD64 dual core 4600+. My other computer
> has a 3800+ and shows 2000 MHz clock frequency. Gnome system monitor on
> both machines shows the % of each core. Don't know if this is a linux
> problem or bios reporting problem or whatever.

No, it is a power management thing. To conserve energy, your CPUs aren't 
running at full throttle unless you need them to. Run a CPU-intensive program 
and look at the cpuinfo again

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Re: [opensuse] Novell main page

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:53, Sunny wrote:
> On 4/6/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Little humor.
> >   http://www.novell.com/
> > Did you played with mouse cursor over the image?
>
> I'm still not sure who is more  out of the track - me to think what I
> see, or Novell to propose it :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Just a joke, nice implementation.

If that would be just movie, I wouldn't post the link, but contolling actors 
action with a mouse is really nice.
 
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Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!

[Per Qvindesland]

True that's very true, it's a bit M$ based the whole thing, every time
that I meet a Novell sales rep on a show or a presentation he/she knows
very little about what the heck their talking about, I.E if you
mentioned zypper he/she would be checking to see if something else was
open :) it's a shame because SuSE has always been rock solid, now it's
rock shaky.

Rwgards
Per Qvindesland

On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 15:31 +0200, Primm wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
> > Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
> > > Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your
> > > imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke
> > > to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
> >
> > I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-)
> > But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I
> > should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So
> > plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
> >
> 
> I'd dye the sheepskin red. Why Suse don't take over Novell I've no idea. They 
> could do them a lot of good. Any employees need a challenge to rid ourselves 
> of the microsoft inspired dominance?


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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 apps and cross platform

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 06:11, Abstract wrote:
> On 4/6/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> > What is the purpose?
> > KDE is created to promote usability of Linux; a better OS solution.
> > Porting applications will be the nail in own coffin.
>
> I disagree that porting applications will be the nail in its own coffin.
>
> Take Gimp and Gaim for instance.  1st, many people use these on Linux
> and Windows, therefore it is EASIER for them to move to linux in the
> future because the they trust the apps and know their quality.  It
> also almost immediately makes them want to go with Gnome and not KDE.
>
> Whats Kopete?  Its like GAIM, but they know GAIM so they use it.
>
> Also, if people know these same open source apps they trust and use on
> Windows are available on Linux with a bunch of other apps as well it
> may well be the nail in the coffin for Windows and not Linux Desktops.
>  KDE needs  this more than GNOME.
>

You was right about KDE4. The trick is that Qt, like GTk, has port to other 
platforms. That means, there is a lot lesser work to port applications.

I can agree that few applications can be good advertising, but I disagree to 
enrich platforms that are designed to exclude others. My guess is that will 
be some kind of effort to improve Trolltech business as gratitude for free 
use of Qt libraries for a years. 
 
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[opensuse] Suse 10.2d 64-bit +Kde

[Art Fore]

Have a computer with GA-M57SLI-S4 (still with Gigabyte bios) that I
installed Suse 10.2 on. I have had so many problems, I am about to give
up on it and get another motherboard. Here are the problems. Hopefully
someone can give me some insight on fixing them.

KDE desktop only has trash can on it, even though the Desktop folder is
under my user name and contains Firefox, My Computer, etc. My other Suse
10.2 64-bit amd shows the Firefox, My Computer, etc on the desktop. Have
searched through the Desktop Settings, but have not found any difference
between the two computers. Does not make sense to me why they are
difference when I installed Suse from the same DVD.

When I click the Logout icon under the start menu, it goes away and
nothi8ng happens. Only way to get out is to ctrl +alt +backspace. Then
all I get is a black screen. ctrl +alt +delete does nothing. even blind
typing startx again does nothing. only way out is master reset.

/proc/cpuinfo both cores are shown, but the clock frequency is shown as
1000 MHz, eventhough it is an AMD64 dual core 4600+. My other computer
has a 3800+ and shows 2000 MHz clock frequency. Gnome system monitor on
both machines shows the % of each core. Don't know if this is a linux
problem or bios reporting problem or whatever.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Art



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Re: [opensuse] switch between desktops

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Sunday 2007-04-08 at 10:51 +0200, German Guillot wrote:

> - fvwm
> - twm
> - failsafe gnome
> - failsafe terminal
> 
> No KDE anywhere. Twm, by the way... pretty radical, as in there's
> nothing much to separate it from a simple terminal. I don't see much
> use for a "graphic" desktop with such stark simplicity, myself, but I
> guess it takes all sorts.

You have used one of those simplicities without knowing. You want to bet? 
Start the installation system (CD/DVD) and check what it is using ;-)


> So anyway, I'm guessing I haven't installed all the packages I should
> have installed, because the session manager doesn't seem to think I
> have KDE on my system. Back to the package list. Any tips?

Tick the kde box in yast install software thing, patterns or so. Let it 
install what it wants. Have a look around, install anything else you 
would like to try: there are tons of things! The difficulty is remembering 
all those later :-p

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Re: [opensuse] Oh my god, zypper is such a crap!

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 08 April 2007 04:12, Jan Tiggy wrote:
> Cristian Rodriguez R. schrieb:
> > Ahh.. and "the plot against unnoficial packages" is just your
> > imagination, there is no such thing in the reality.. what did you smoke
> > to imaginate that ?? (just curious :-P )
>
> I think it's called 'black afghan' ;-)
> But to be serious. Guys I got it now. Sorry for pushing on this topic. I
> should have done more research before posting. It won't happen again. So
> plz if you can, then don't stone me (the biblical meaning) for this.
>
> Thx in Advance
> Jan

We never stone anybody, it is obsolete. We flame sinners ;-)

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