[opensuse-factory] YaST (or KDE4) problem
Tried to update KDE4 to newest and got dependency problem that seems to be software management problem (or KDE4 packaging): Message 1 (there is another 2 about libkdefx.so.5()(64bit) ) -- Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5()(64bit) for kde4-fsview-3.93.0.svn712059-13.x86_64 === kde4-fsview-3.93.0.svn712059-13.x86_64 === libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-5.x86_64 provides libkdefx.so.5()(64bit), but is scheduled to be uninstalled. libkde4-3.93.0.svn712047-5.x86_64[repo-standard] provides libkdefx.so.5()(64bit), but another version of that package is already installed. kde4-fsview-3.93.0.svn712059-13.x86_64 depends on libkde4 kde4-fsview-3.93.0.svn712059-13.x86_64 is lacking the requirement libkdefx.so.5()(64bit) (null) Conflict Resolution: ( ) delete kde4-ksig ( ) Ignore this requirement just here ( ) Generally ignore this requirement Can't satisfy requirement libkdefx.so.5()(64bit) for kdeaddons4-konqueror-3.93.0.svn712059-13.x86_64 -- This resembles on some old libzypp bug. I can't recall right now which one and got no time to investigate. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-kde] Lancelot buggy blocker..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dirk Mueller schreef: On Thursday 25 October 2007, M9. wrote: Lancelot is totaly unuseable, it does not work, and crashes when you come into its neighbourhood. Given that Lancelot is in the extragear-plasma package, which should contain stable applets, I would recommend you to actually post a backtrace so that it is possible to figure out what the problem is for your. Greetings, Dirk I will look for the plasma debug pkgs, because it is impossible to make a backtrace now, and i mean: imposible. As a matter of fact, i have not seen this behaviour ever before The crash-handler itself 'crashes', and it is impossible to shut lancelot down a normal way.. I will try to kill the pid, and see if the process stops.. If this is the case, i will start it up again, and see if it can be shut down normaly... (it is nice to see little changes to the better...) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) KDE: 3.5.8 release 21.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIiyVX5/X5X6LpDgRAtMfAKCR/OqfaGGz9NBIMJ3gKBzQH76ChACfaE/l a9dk56fK2OrOtBZIJ8QxuIc= =oio0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-kde] Lancelot buggy blocker..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: Dirk Mueller schreef: I would recommend you to actually post a backtrace so that it is possible to figure out what the problem is for your. Greetings, Dirk (it is nice to see little changes to the better...) It keeps on crashing, that's why several backtraces: I wrapped them in attachments, i hope this is possible? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) KDE: 3.5.8 release 21.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIi2lX5/X5X6LpDgRAhQiAJ9X8g4FnIawFEpTkWQwR8Hix7f1FQCfRNMQ LlmTc++9ij9LqAV+zTN9eVU= =RyAf -END PGP SIGNATURE- [?1034hUsing host libthread_db library /lib64/libthread_db.so.1. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x2b1a47ed29d0 (LWP 28649)] [KCrash handler] #4 0x00409c25 in q_atomic_increment (ptr=0x6d6f726620737475) at /usr/include/QtCore/qatomic_arch.h:79 #5 0x00409c35 in QBasicAtomic::ref (this=0x6d6f726620737475) at /usr/include/QtCore/qatomic.h:90 #6 0x0040eb8d in Lancelot::BaseWidget::title ( this=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/BaseWidget.cpp:250 #7 0x0041311d in Lancelot::Panel::title (this=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:43 #8 0x00413161 in Lancelot::Panel::invalidate (this=0x6cd230) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:68 #9 0x2b1a428e8fab in Plasma::Widget::updateGeometry () from /usr/lib64/libplasma.so.1 #10 0x2b1a428e99b0 in Plasma::Widget::Widget () from /usr/lib64/libplasma.so.1 #11 0x004102d8 in BaseWidget (this=0x6d6f726620737475, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], parent=0x0) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/BaseWidget.cpp:51 #12 0x00413586 in Panel (this=0x6cd230, parent=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:22 #13 0x0040bab3 in Ui::LancelotWindow::createObjects (this=0x6f12a8, object=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/ui_LancelotWindow.h:137 #14 0x0040c39f in Ui::LancelotWindow::setupUi (this=0x6f12a8, object=0x6f1280) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/ui_LancelotWindow.h:113 #15 0x0040b0fd in LancelotWindow (this=0x6f1280, parent=value optimized out, f=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/LancelotWindow.cpp:29 #16 0x00409f8c in LancelotApplication (this=0x628e30, argc=value optimized out, argv=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/LancelotApplication.cpp:24 #17 0x0040a274 in LancelotApplication::main (argc=1, argv=0x7fff6ba04b48) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/LancelotApplication.cpp:58 #18 0x2b1a43e46b54 in __libc_start_main () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #19 0x004098a9 in _start () #0 0x2b1a3f8d1a95 in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 [?1034hUsing host libthread_db library /lib64/libthread_db.so.1. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x2b1b7b7ea9d0 (LWP 28680)] [KCrash handler] #4 0x00409c25 in q_atomic_increment (ptr=0x46fe607e) at /usr/include/QtCore/qatomic_arch.h:79 #5 0x00409c35 in QBasicAtomic::ref (this=0x46fe607e) at /usr/include/QtCore/qatomic.h:90 #6 0x0040eb8d in Lancelot::BaseWidget::title ( this=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/BaseWidget.cpp:250 #7 0x0041311d in Lancelot::Panel::title (this=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:43 #8 0x00413161 in Lancelot::Panel::invalidate (this=0x7697c0) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:68 #9 0x2b1b76200fab in Plasma::Widget::updateGeometry () from /usr/lib64/libplasma.so.1 #10 0x2b1b762019b0 in Plasma::Widget::Widget () from /usr/lib64/libplasma.so.1 #11 0x004102d8 in BaseWidget (this=0x46fe607e, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], parent=0x0) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/BaseWidget.cpp:51 #12 0x00413586 in Panel (this=0x7697c0, parent=value optimized out) at /usr/src/debug/extragear-plasma-3.94.0/applets/lancelot/app/Panel.cpp:22 #13 0x0040bab3 in Ui::LancelotWindow::createObjects (this=0x770fa8, object=value optimized out) at
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-kde] Lancelot buggy blocker..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: Dirk Mueller schreef: On Thursday 25 October 2007, M9. wrote: Lancelot is totaly unuseable, it does not work, and crashes when you come into its neighbourhood. Given that Lancelot is in the extragear-plasma package, which should contain stable applets, I would recommend you to actually post a backtrace so that it is possible to figure out what the problem is for your. Greetings, Dirk I will look for the plasma debug pkgs, because it is impossible to make a backtrace now, and i mean: imposible. As a matter of fact, i have not seen this behaviour ever before The crash-handler itself 'crashes', and it is impossible to shut lancelot down a normal way.. I will try to kill the pid, and see if the process stops.. pid showed for about 1sec, too short to kill it. This happened only once, so until now impossible to shut down. Restart DE brings the crashing app back to life, and i realy do not know how to get rid of it.. :-( If this is the case, i will start it up again, and see if it can be shut down normaly... (it is nice to see little changes to the better...) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) KDE: 3.5.8 release 21.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIi8DX5/X5X6LpDgRAvqJAJ4nNndXSsvWE0qrWVMG1iR1wWraZACdGnk5 1+dwlhZi5GyXWH7Gm+YCWg4= =n1DD -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-kde] Lancelot buggy blocker..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: M9. schreef: Dirk Mueller schreef: A screenshot from lancelot: http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/Monkey999/schermafdruk6.png - - Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) KDE: 3.5.8 release 21.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIjNvX5/X5X6LpDgRAoHmAKDVMBGTd3koWmZZ0SIUQSVg0zVYswCeLxtC wQ0nACiioElAN/O+PToq0T0= =LOw+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] No Autostart of Compiz; compiz-manager installed
On 10/26/07, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additionally, this looks to be a huge problem: # blacklist based on the pci ids # See http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist for details T= 1002:5954 1002:5854 1002:5955 # ati rs480 T=$T 1002:4153 # ATI Rv350 compiz-manager blacklists the ATI Rv350, which is the exact same incorrect driver sax2 selected for my ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 Series card. See related post: [opensuse] Yast/Sax2 Bug - ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 Series. Why is this blacklisted here? It is blacklisted for a reason, there is a wiki link check out why it is on that list. If you know it works in spite of that, do this: echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE 10.3 / nVidia / Twinview / KDE / AMD_64 / Compiz current issues
On 10/25/07, Brad Bourn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taskbar: -Doesn't display all windows (have show from all desktops disabled, when this is enabled, they all show up) -Hiding is inttermittant Isn't it what it is supposed to do? KDE: -altF2 doesn't bring up the run dialog -kde decorations not working, using emerald -switches resize from altbutton2 to altbutton3 rpm -e libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig --nodeps See also: http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Fusion#Alt.2BF2_Does_not_work_in_KDE Plugins: -Water Effect doesn't toggle off all the way. CPU stays at 88% used, even though no water is shown. Have to disable plugin to get CPU back -Window Placement doesn't seem to care about title=KMail -Window Rules WILL see the title=KMail for non-movable window, but if you use the mouse in upper right corner, select KMail, it moves it to centered screen1 instead of the non-movable location 0,0 on screen 2. Check http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ if there is details of proper usage. Compiz: -With Water effects going, cube fish, cube gears, yast_update, and ctrlaltbutton1 moving of cube around, system will freeze (xgl, can still get to VC1 and init 3/5) (stress test) Of course it will freeze, water itself is very resource hungry. -sometimes when the screen saver kicks in, it is off centered. Instead of X/Y for upper left being 0,0 (whole screen) it is somewhere like (800,600) instead Known issue, try checking ccsm - general - Unredirect full screen -No window title bars can go above 0,0. I use VNC to view remote desktops, and I always put the VNC title bar above 0 so that the remote title bar is at 0 ccsm - move - constraint Y Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Boot Splash not available when 10.3 installed without CD
On Thursday 25 October 2007 23:30, CyberOrg wrote: On 10/26/07, Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/2007 05:52 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote: Could you clarify the invocation that includes the VGA mode specification? I believe this was the line in menu.lst to set the accompanying frame buffer resolution for booting. Sorry wasn't clear enough, it goes in /boot/grub/menu.lst, add it to kernel parameter. That I already knew and had already done. -J RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Boot Splash not available when 10.3 installed without CD
On 10/26/07, Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/2007 05:52 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote: Could you clarify the invocation that includes the VGA mode specification? I believe this was the line in menu.lst to set the accompanying frame buffer resolution for booting. Sorry wasn't clear enough, it goes in /boot/grub/menu.lst, add it to kernel parameter. -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Once again..........
Fred A. Miller wrote: Once again, a strange hardware problem has hit. At least it's on my own box and not someone else's. I've spent off and on the past 2 days checking everything I can think of, searching the Net. as well, trying to find the answer as to why an Epson Precision 4990 Photo printer can't be configured by Yast. It IS seen by the system, as I checked with hwinfo --usb and it's found, so I know that it does respond to the USB port. I have the 3 iscan files installed, which are supposed to provide FULL function for this scanner, yet, when I use edit in Yast, an entry is entered for epson that says the scanner can't be found. I double checked that it can't be used with xsane and iscan. The is the first time I've not been able to configure a scanner that is seen by the system and drivers are rated as complete and listed in Yast. I hope someone knows a cure for this! I'm using 10.3 64-bit. Tanks in advance! As with your problem a couple of weeks ago, I am unable to give you a definitive answer but can offer this comment. Only last night I read an article (about power supplies) which is pointing out that with all the new CPUs and video cards most of the problems (such as you may be experiencing) are/maybe caused by poor PSUs. El cheapo PSUs -- and these do not necessarily include those which are pretty high priced! - even though rated as being able to high wattage demands may not be able to do so and therefore cause 'you' problems. As a guide, I have been using the following table to work out what sort of wattage my PSU should be able to handle: COMPONENT WATTS MOB 15-30 CPU- Low end 20-50 High end(1) 60-100 RAM 7W/128MB PCI card 5 Network card 4 Floppy 5 Graphics card- Low end 20-60 High end(1) 60-100 CD/DVD/RW 10-25 IDE HD 10-30 SCSI - 10K-15K 10-45 To the TOTAL watts arrived at using above, ADD 30% to arrive at the wattage needed to be handled by the PSU. (Note1: these figures are applicable BEFORE the latest dual-and quad-core CPUs and also before the latest high end video cards came into being. Check their tech data to see what wattage they draw.) While the above figures give you a ball-park figure for what wattage your PSU should be able to handle, it then becomes a matter of ensuring that you get a PSU which *will* be able to 'deliver' because many PSUs (including expensive ones) claim one thing but simply do not 'deliver' when it comes to the crunch. Cheers. -- Past experience, if not forgotten, is a guide for the future. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Once again..........
While the above figures give you a ball-park figure for what wattage your PSU should be able to handle, it then becomes a matter of ensuring that you get a PSU which *will* be able to 'deliver' because many PSUs (including expensive ones) claim one thing but simply do not 'deliver' when it comes to the crunch. Just to back up Basil's comments... I had loads of odd and unsolvable problems with peripheral devices (like printers), and randomly failing hard drives (that worked fine when put into a second test machine). Very frustrating problems that I knew should not be a problem, or should be easily solved. I ended up replacing the PSU with a BeQuiet 600W (http://www.be-quiet.net), and that cleared it all up. The computer has been rock solid stable ever since. Now the only issues I have are all the ones I create by tinkering. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YAST2 not uninstalling
On Thursday 25 October 2007 09:04:52 pm Allen wrote: I've tried a few times to uninstall some apps I don't need or use, and when I select them for deletion, it says it's installing them instead... Anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I did add repos to it so it takes a while before YAST loads up and I've downloaded apps and installed them with it, but a few I'd like to get rid of because I don't use them and they just won't go away. As I said I launch YAST2, find the apps I want to uninstall, and then mark them for deletion, and then when I finish it says it's installing them instead and they still show up on the SUSE menu. Any help is appreciated, Thanks Mark for deinstallation is trash can. Icon with Z is to refresh or update. Checkmark is for installation. Wrong direction traffic sign is to tell YaST not to touch package. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mount.ntfs-3g eating substantial CPU
On 10/26/07, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listmates, What is it that causes mount.ntfs-3g to run at what seems like random times. When this occurs, it will eat 17-30% pf the CPU running for several minutes also creating a lot of hard drive activity. Is this something like beagle that I can just shoot in the head? I experienced similar problem, but it's gone now. (I don't know why it happened) -- -Alexey Eremenko Technologov -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] switch harddisk between notebook
i m 2 notebooks, hp pavilion dv2201 and dv2213. I m running opensuse103 + vista on dv2213. Problem : My dv2213 is somehow not stable, while i m working with it, it suddenly power off without notice. The same symptom happen to both vista and opensuse. Looks like hardware failure or something, so i send it to hp service center. But since my OS dan data are important to me, I took out the harddisk (160GB), and put it on my dv2201 (originally 120GB). When I boot up to opensuse, there is a warning like Do you want me to find bla bla harddisk id bla bla bla? (Y/n) If I answer Y, it will try to find my harddisk (I guess), but end up with nothing, just the sign $. Not system is running. Answer n will give me that as well. But if I boot it with my opensuse dvd, choose the installation and Boot the Installed System, the system will run without problem, meaning the harddisk is detected, opensuse is normal. The specification of dv2201 and dv2213 is all the same, except dv2201 uses T5500 processor, dv2213 uses 7200 processor, that's it. Question : How do fix it so i dont to to boot from dvd everytime? Should I run a Recover Installation? Will it replace all my setting like compiz fusion and set everything back to default? I love my setting right now, dont wanna lose it :( Thx for any help -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] nVidia and Acrobat question
I update my system every day, but I noticed that some packages are still outdated. For instance nVidia proprietary drivers and Acrobat Reader. Do you have any plans to update these packages? Cheers! -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse] One Click Install - associated helper application does not exist
On 26/10/2007, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Alister Leask [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-25-07 21:22]: One click Install is failing whenever I try to install anything with the error being reported by Firefox: I don't believe that it works with Firefox, only with konqueror. It should work with firefox too. Do you have yast2-metapackage-handler installed? Try reinstalling it. -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Hi all, I'm reading the bug news in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333739. Maybe I'm being too much newbie, I cannot understand why the audit is enabled by default, and what CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL option means. Any hint? Rob On 10/19/07, Ben Kevan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 18 October 2007 02:25:04 pm nordi wrote: I built myself a new kernel and surprise: I got A LOT faster! Posix 10.0 UTF8 10.3 10.3 (new kernel) == == Dhrystone336 339 338 Whetstone198 204 206 Execl658 576 632 File Copy 1024 535 481 595 File Copy 256455 355 458 File Copy 4096 588 717 827 Pipe Throughput 468 278 408 Context Switch 554 384 567 Process Creat 1000 783 921 Shell Scripts1 873 344 362 Shell Scripts8 894 332 349 System Call 904 334 819 -- -- -- Index Score: 569 397 496 I have appended my kernel config. It is the standard config minus everything that I thought could potentially hurt syscall performance (8 changes all together). Since building a kernel takes quite some time on my machine I haven't checked exactly which change it was. Note that I used UTF-8 again, but Shell Script performance still went up by 17-18 points. That is a 5% speed increase for a shell script, simply because of the new kernel! Quite likely other applications will benefit as well. I think Suse should really look into this issue, getting 5% more performance in your applications is something that everyone would like to have. But so far, I have gotten no replies to my bug report [1]. Btw, if you have a Bugzilla account you can add yourself to the CC: list and get informed about all changes to this bug. Regards nordi [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333739 I did similar here.. I actually installed a vanilla 2.6.23.. and boy.. the shit screamed like a little kiddie in a haunted house on halloween.. I love it.. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Are you tired of making software? Play it! (http://www.codesounding.org) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:33, Jorge Fábregas wrote: What bothers me is their lack of response. I went to: http://shop.novell.com/question and provided all my order details and never received any answer. I just got a terse response from Novell: Thank you for contacting the ShopNovell. We do not show that product available yet. What the hell is going on here? -- After the vintage season came the aftermath - and Cenbe. Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Installing windows last
Hello, I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? Thank you, - Jake -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Once again..........
Hello On Oct 26 01:05 Fred A. Miller wrote (shortened): ... Epson Precision 4990 Photo ... I don't know about such a model. Up to now I only know about an Epson Perfection 4990 Photo. I have the 3 iscan files installed Which 3 _files_? I guess you talk about RPMs? If yes, which exact RPM package names? which are supposed to provide FULL function for this scanner, From where do you have this information? As an Epson Precision 4990 Photo is neither listed in YaST nor can be found via http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl you must have got this information from somewhere else. I'm using 10.3 64-bit. Did you read the info about iscan on 64-bit hardware in YaST? For example the Epson Perfection 4990 Photo is shown in YaST with driver epkowa and the info shows requires DFSG non-free iscan-plugin-gt-x750 and when you try to set it up in YaST, it shows this message: --- The package iscan should be installed but it contains proprietary binary-only i386-only software. Therefore it is only available for i386-compatible architectures and it may cause problems on AMD 64-bit (x86_64) systems. --- The DFSG non-free iscan-plugin-gt-x750 is provided in the package iscan-proprietary-drivers and the RPM info is --- Proprietary Driver Libraries for Image Scan for Epson Scanners The proprietary binary-only i386-only libraries are provided (in object code form only) ... --- This means that the iscan-plugin-gt-x750 doesn't work on a plain 64-bit system - it might work if all required 32-bit libraries are installed on your 64-bit system and it should work if you install a 32-bit openSUSE on your 64-bit hardware. The plain iscan (without a iscan-plugin-*) should work o.k. on a 64-bit system if all required 32-bit libraries are installed (in particular sane-backends-32bit.rpm) but I don't know the exact details for each possible case when which of these proprietary driver stuff works or fails. Therefore I don't want to show an ultimate this device does not work on your system message in YaST. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] solved with Etch .deb (was: Re: ksensors does not display harddisk temperature)
Eberhard Roloff wrote: Hi, I am using 10.3/32bit and my toolk for monitoring cpu temp and speed, fan speeds and the like is lm-sensors with the KDE frontend ksensors. Up to SuSE 10.2 this used to also display the temperature of my harddisk if I had hddtemp installed. Now I have hddtemp installed, but for the life of me I cannot get ksensors to display my harddisk temperature. Anything else from lm-sensors is there. I am using ksensors 0.7.3 from packman. Any hints how to get my harddisk temperature into ksensors to be displayed on my desktop are appreciated? Hi, the best problems are those that you solve yourself. I was so tired that it did not work. I googled and found that some people had it properly working on Debian. So for the fun of it, I downloaded the Debian Etch Packet of ksensors and converted this to an rpm with the alien utility. Then I deleted the packman ksensors rpm and installed the ex-debian packet. Surprise: My harddisk temperature suddenly is there, just as it were before 10.3! Anyone knows how to report a bug for a packman package? Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse 10.3 updates breaking login to kde -RESOLVED
Thanks to Marcus Meissner, who pointed me in the right direction to fix this problem. Problem: 1. Opensuse updates caused login to KDE to break. Openssl updates caused apparent password failure Updates in question were libopenssl-devel 4476-0 libopenssl-devel 4560-0 2. X11 server update froze the mouse pointer and I wasn't able to enter a password. (This happened a few days after problem 1) Updates in question were xorg-x11-server 4595-0 Solution: 1. To enable me to login to KDE, * I used ctrl-alt-f1to get me to a console * Log in as root * Mount the opensuse 10.3 dvd mount /dev/sr1 /mnt * Change directory to /mnt/suse/i586 * Run the following command rpm --oldpackage -Uvh openssl-0.9.8e-45.i586.rpm libopenssl0_9_8-0.9.8e-45.i586.rpm openssl-certs-0.9.8e-45.i586.rpm libopenssl-devel-0.9.8e-45.i586.rpm 2. Same steps as step 1, but use the following rpm command. rpm --oldpackage -Uvh xorg-x11-server-7.2-143.i586.rpm 3. Once I was able to log in to KDE * I disabled the FACTORY repositories * Restarted the opensuse updater * Installed all the updates with opensuse updater * Logged out, logged back in, no problems. Rebooted and logged back in to be sure. The root cause of the problem, operator error. Me. :-( Cheers, Barrie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Roberto Mannai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I'm reading the bug news in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333739. Maybe I'm being too much newbie, I cannot understand why the audit is enabled by default, and what CONFIG_AUDITSYSCALL option means. Any hint? There're the Audit Quick Start and Linux Audit Framework manuals on the Novell side ( http://www.novell.com/documentation/sles10/ ) for an in-depth treatment. Audit is a security tool - used not only by AppArmor - that allows you to see what programs are doing. Think of a system wide trace mechanism, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpaqND22MaLh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] updater problem
Fazer wrote: Today I noticed problem with openSUSE updater I have 2 computers 1 PC and 1 Laptop both have openSUSE 10.3 1CD KDE On PC everything is ok but on laptop I have no updates for my system I tried to run YaST software Update configuration and it show me that everything is ok but when I click on updater menu to check now it display after some time that there is no updates avilable Try to check if you have the same repositories defined on both systems (YaST - Software Repositories or zypper -v repos). Jano I noticed it after firefox update on PC ant tried to update it on laptop using openSUSE updater Is anyone noticed this problem?? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release of openSUSE?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aniruddha wrote: I am trying to learn as much as I can about openSUSE, however there is one crucial design philosophy I have difficulty to grasp; openSUSE way of handeling updates. I wonder: -Which ways are there to update openSUSE from one stable release to another? -Is it also possible to skip a release when updating? e.g. is it possible to update 10 to 10.3 or 9 to 10.2? - Is there also an incremental stable (not factory) update possibility? This would mean that when openSUSE 11 is released openSUSE 10.3 users have already updated to 11 incrementally meaning no need for upgrading. I have used the upgrade route from 9.3 to 10.2. Most issues where config file related (some inconsistency between configuration being retained and configurations being backup up, and a couple being completely pasted). It was some time ago I did this so I cannot remember details. An upgrade between two of the 9.x or 8.x to 9.x versions (I forget which) did create some additional problems in that guid and uid defaults were changed which did create issues with NFS and to a lesser extent samba. The decision to upgrade or install cleanly is far as I am concerned not straight forward, and IMHO the same considerations need to be taking in account whatever version OS is involved. IMHO It depends on the following factors... 1) How complex the current configuration is. In my experience merely backing up /etc and another configuration locations and expecting the machine to work again after copying back onto a clean install just does not work. You need to have a good idea of what configuration files you have changed and restore these configurations on an individual basis on a clean install. An upgrade at least gives a chance that some parts of your configuration are operational and potentially can save you time, by flagging those which need attention. With a machine which has been around for a while one probably is in situation that one cannot remember all changes so this is useful 2) If you have a large number of applications installed upgrade does give some benefits over clean install in that it will be quicker to get what you had going provided that you check what is proposed to be installed or removed by YaST. For a clean install part of the preparation will be to list what one have installed so it can be restored. 3) If you are regular user of ssh you can expect your ssh connectivity to the target machine to be initially non functional after a complete install (expect BTW means plan for it, I remember in some circumstance this has not occurred to others). The security certificates will have changed and ssh clients will complain. While this is not a big problem with one or two machines, with a large number of machines it is a potential pain. Also if you have a large number of user accounts or authentication settings it is wise to backup and restore security related info to a clean install. 4) If you have a machine which has largely be installed from the SuSE base repositories and you have few or no components from other sources and you have a a separate home partition, a clean install is probably best option. In other cases it is largely dependant on to what extent one can make verifiable backup of personal and configuration data (with at least two copies). If you cannot do the latter defer until you can either perform that backup or meet the former criteria. 5) If you are in an environment with spare kit whether you find a suitable machine to do a dry run. 6) Have a good plan to get back to what you had before if does not work out. Check if any changes to key software need to be taken into account. While most applications have some backward compatibility, a large jump between OS versions may also imply a significant change to service and application configurations. Planning is the key... merely throwing media into the machine and hitting install is a good way of a torching your machine and your data... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIbJRasN0sSnLmgIRAsOjAKDIE4CO9Vu4biyPA6t2I6BVsMk8HwCgyjxC SdPPO4tOoukwS80bJPpxctg= =4SVR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] KAddressBook and Vcards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Shaver wrote: While trying to migrate my outlook contacts over to SuSE 10.3, I exported everything as Vcards (.vcf) and then figured I would import them into for i in *.vcf do tr -d '\105' $i out.$i; done Which worked, but now none of them are valid Vcards. as best I can tell Vcards Ummm.. valid Vcards lovely idea :-)... the specification is so broad that you can damn near do anything.. What is probably more accurate is that the application does not understand the format of the VCard Solution... not nice ... find out what the application expects from a VCard by filling in relevant dummy fields export VCard write something in you favourite text processing language which translate VCard format A to VCard format B... Has anyone else run into this? is there an easy fix? is a quick, easy, way fix my 100+ vcards so they import correctly? This is fairly common with devices or applications which export or import in VCard format... usually hit this when migrating phones e.g. Sony Ericcson to Nokia vice versa or moving info between PIM and Phone. thanks, -Jesse - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIbVBasN0sSnLmgIRAvp8AJ9wcf9QAye+8cmuER/ic6TBHvUUaQCgrnTe coY3Zh4wwb4oET5nqrfy9EQ= =Scbx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Grub on CD
Hi Carlos, On Friday 26 October 2007 01:32:47 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 23:02 +0100, Clive Rogers wrote: It's already on the SuSE install CD/DVD snip Also, if his machine can boot from the usb, I think you could install grub there. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Do you mean he can boot his partition from a USB key ? I will google this and have an look see. Thanks for the heads up on this one. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release of openSUSE?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 13:28 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: -Is it also possible to skip a release when updating? e.g. is it possible to update 10 to 10.3 or 9 to 10.2? It is, but see below. I recall one person recently mentioning here (this list) successfully doing a 10.0 - 10.3 upgrade. More below. I did 9.3 -- 10.2, no problems. Not unexpected problems, at least. Here are some of my perspectives, views and opinions. They are neither authoritative, definitive nor official. - The view long held by those among us inclined to be conservative about system stability and integrity have generally had a strong preference for using only clean installs, not upgrades. I'm an exception: I always upgrade. I have done so since 5.3. If it hoses (it did once, 7.3 -- 8.1), there is the backup and retry or clean install. My advice is to do a full backup before either upgrading or instaling new version fresh. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIcOBtTMYHG2NR9URAkd7AJsFxIGlvHYW45NkvtacFg3VKdJV9ACfdiiV GZxz49jAhG05j2NK033t0vc= =3Pci -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] switch harddisk between notebook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-10-26 at 14:29 +0700, Hans Linux wrote: i m 2 notebooks, hp pavilion dv2201 and dv2213. I m running opensuse103 + vista on dv2213. Problem : My dv2213 is somehow not stable, while i m working with it, it suddenly power off without notice. The same symptom happen to both vista and opensuse. Looks like hardware failure or something, so i send it to hp service center. But since my OS dan data are important to me, I took out the harddisk (160GB), and put it on my dv2201 (originally 120GB). When I boot up to opensuse, there is a warning like Do you want me to find bla bla harddisk id bla bla bla? (Y/n) If I answer Y, it will try to find my harddisk (I guess), but end up with nothing, just the sign $. Not system is running. Answer n will give me that as well. Who writes that message? Bios perhaps? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIcRftTMYHG2NR9URAmlFAJ9xhJhuETRfA93SP3XdWquC6UUJ5gCfUDxP TR5jHXihCmxV04kq35kbv3o= =y78J -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RAID5 Power outages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-10-26 at 00:16 -0300, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Anybody has experience with linux Raid5 and power outages?, i currently have two 250GB disks in a RAID1 array in my main workstation. When there's any power outage the array is rebuilt but given it's a mirror it's not a major issue. Now i would like to add 4 500GB disks in a secondary array with raid5 but i'm afraid i would lose the array if there's any outage (have to mention a UPS in my letter to Santa) Anybody knows if the raid5 (md) would survive this scenario? It should. It might, actually: no filesystem likes a power outage, and no raid will protect you from that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIcU6tTMYHG2NR9URAmlMAJkBQPHZPYVf+ep0Ekvv+pTnreqMtwCdELN4 018uZgBrELbLawsNzmkUjXs= =fW8y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 10:08 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote: We do ship already in Germany but I do not know the current status of shop.novell.com - I've asked my contacts now and will get back to you, Thank you Andreas. Any news so far? Regards, Jorge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YAST2 not uninstalling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 22:04 -0400, Allen wrote: As I said I launch YAST2, find the apps I want to uninstall, and then mark them for deletion, and then when I finish it says it's installing them instead and they still show up on the SUSE menu. It might be a dependency. One of the options shows you what it is finally going to install/unistall. You should also click the button check dependencies. If it fails, then use the comandline rpm --erase --force ...rpm - I think with those options, if not, 'man' is your friend. Trye first without force to see why it complains. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIcdFtTMYHG2NR9URAsiJAKCIPAJtP8mhp80qZUkr/VJKkIybQgCfQ3Au 359nxJbbJP2Ik1c2KbDKG6U= =l3gd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
Jorge Fábregas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 23 October 2007 10:08 am, Andreas Jaeger wrote: We do ship already in Germany but I do not know the current status of shop.novell.com - I've asked my contacts now and will get back to you, Thank you Andreas. Any news so far? They are sorting this out right now with the vendor that does the shop for us, I'll update you once this is solved, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpZXucWEezHd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
On Mon October 22 2007, Jorge Fábregas scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Hello gys, Does anyone knows if the 10.3 boxes are already shipping? I ordered mine last Monday and I haven't received any shipping notification. It still says Pre-Order today on shop.novell.com though... I contacted CS but so far no answer :( Thought I'd chime in here as well... ;) I just checked my confirmation email from Novell, which I got on Oct 5, 2007 I noticed a couple of new-ish names that all generally resolve to Digital River.. i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The messae lists a customer number and an order number ( so far so good) and ays what to look for on my credit card and that I need to use the http://shop.novell.com/question page for any quetions.. As one of the other players mentioned, it gives that notice : *If the product you have ordered is Built to Order, you will get an e-mail notification when your order is dispatched.* says my Cc wont be charged until I have my boxed set, that I will get a notice before it's shipped.. and oh yeah// Good news It shows no shipping charge i.e. SubTotal: $59.95 Shipping: $0.00 Tax: $0.00 Total: $59.95 Discount Total: $5.00 oh yeah down at the very bottom of this email this : Please allow the following delivery times: - For Boxed product shipments, please allow 2 - 7 business days for delivery from date of dispatch. - For International Shipments: Shipping charges do not include any Brokerage Fees, Customs Fees or Taxes that you may be charged. Most Omoshiroii , ne ? I too have heard nothing *atoll* since that first day.. when the email I'm quoting bits of turned up. At least I'm said to be getting the no shipping fee as I was originally. Now if the box w/ the dvd's would turn up, I'd be a happy child... -- j I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we ain't all there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mount.ntfs-3g eating substantial CPU
Just a guess ... ntfs-3g is the 3rd generation ntfs driver for the windows partitions. When used (filesystem access), it uses quite some CPU. No idea why some people say it is efficient ... I treat it as tool to write ntfs, when necessary. So, for your problem ... if some background process searches the ntfs partition(s), the cpu load of the process goes up ... I'd suspect updatedb/(s)locate first, then beagled ... When this happens, run a ps fax to find out which jobs are running; usually, there is a large tree of cron-started processes, if it is updatedb. If the windows partitions are not mounted in /mnt, have a look at /etc/sysconfig/locate and add the partitions/paths to UPDATEDB_PRUNEPATHS Then, locate should not search the ntfs-folders. Alternatively, if you don't need/want to write into the ntfs folders, use the old kernel ntfs driver, which is r/o. Hope this helps, Sebastian Alexey Eremenko wrote: On 10/26/07, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listmates, What is it that causes mount.ntfs-3g to run at what seems like random times. When this occurs, it will eat 17-30% pf the CPU running for several minutes also creating a lot of hard drive activity. Is this something like beagle that I can just shoot in the head? I experienced similar problem, but it's gone now. (I don't know why it happened) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing windows last
Am Freitag, 26. Oktober 2007 12:14:41 schrieb Jake Conk: Hello, I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? You should be able to install Windows after Linux too, however it's easier, more comfortable and safer, when you do it first. As I get from your description, I can understand you didn't installed it in the first place, but want to have it as alternative now. When you install windows you can be sure it will screw up grub, in other words kill and replace it, however this isn't such a big problem if you've a Linux liveCD and can access the old system to re-do the grub install part, also you'll have to add the windows boot entry by hand but that shouldn't be a big deal either. Greetings Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[opensuse] SuSE Menu and Yast
Problem: yast entry is not any more under SuSE menu/computer tab This seems to be a problem I have in two installations of opensuse 10.3. Initially yast is there then without any problem is not there any more . It is in System config. Yast works ok. Under KDE menu is also OK. How can I add yast back to the SuSE menu/Computer tab. TIA -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RAID5 Power outages
Ciro Iriarte wrote: Now i would like to add 4 500GB disks in a secondary array with raid5 but i'm afraid i would lose the array if there's any outage (have to mention a UPS in my letter to Santa) Anybody knows if the raid5 (md) would survive this scenario? A RAID5 will survive a single-disk failure. I believe RAID6 can deal with a dual-disk failure, but you'll need more disks. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - your spam is our business. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release ofopenSUSE?
On 10/26/2007 07:33 PM, Aniruddha wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 13:28 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: Here are some of my perspectives, views and opinions. They are neither authoritative, definitive nor official. - The view long held by those among us inclined to be conservative about system stability and integrity have generally had a strong preference for using only clean installs, not upgrades. Thank you for stating that. This is a valuable lesson. I must say I am puzzled by the inconvenient upgrade path openSUSE (and most other distributions) offer. When you think about it any given system is only the sum of the kernel, gnu-utils and software packages like kde and X11. Look at Linux from scratch, you wouldn't install the whole system twice because this is a waist of time, you only upgrade the packages you need/want. In short we use the 'cathedral' model for handeling 'bazar' type software. Where is the best place to propose an alternative? Novell bugzilla? I have to say I do not agree. I think SUSE provides one of the best upgrades possible (don't have a lot to compare though). I have mostly upgraded, starting seriously at 6.4 (though I tried 6.2 and 6.3). I skipped til 7.3, then 8.0, then 8.2, and upgrading was not that hard. They even document the changes from version to version. My present system had a new install (because it was new hardware) with 9.1, upgrades to 9.2, 9.3, 10.1, 10.2, and now 10.3. This may cause some small problems, but overall it works extremely well. I did do a new install at work when I upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2, since all the smaller changes that went from version to version are harder to deal with in such a big change in so many packages and in so many core areas. I do not mind the challenges brought by an upgrade, and my experiences since 6.4 have definitely not convinced me SUSE's upgrade path is inconvenient, but the opposite. But, like in most things, we all have our own personal opinions. Remember to have a lot of fun! -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Printing Strangeness.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the last couple of weeks I have been experiencing some odd printing behaviour... The primary symptom is a degree of confusion in page layout. In Firefox normal output is mangled landscape, but landscape is off centre portrait.. xemacs pretty printing now does something rather similar. BTW originally had to be bit careful about page setup with xemacs but configuration which did work no longer does. The basic setup is networked Cups to a raw queue with 10.2... The problem started with Firefox..., but has since effected xemacs.. and possibly openOffice in certain contexts. Situation now is that both Konqueror and Kate print OK, so I am using those as required... But the openOffice development is a bit more difficult to work with... I do not print that frequently so I have no idea when the problem got introduced, but if anyone knows of any changes to the print sub systems which could give me a starting point to fix this ... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIdmdasN0sSnLmgIRAhS0AJ4jrBNJ4EOKN2vyioexVTfSbx556gCgznuq e56iQy+D1za/JhonGSck8Tw= =1ea0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release of openSUSE?
On Fri October 26 2007, Carlos E. R. scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 13:28 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: -Is it also possible to skip a release when updating? e.g. is it possible to update 10 to 10.3 or 9 to 10.2? It is, but see below. I recall one person recently mentioning here (this list) successfully doing a 10.0 - 10.3 upgrade. More below. I did 9.3 -- 10.2, no problems. Not unexpected problems, at least. Here are some of my perspectives, views and opinions. They are neither authoritative, definitive nor official. - The view long held by those among us inclined to be conservative about system stability and integrity have generally had a strong preference for using only clean installs, not upgrades. adding to this one.. generally a clean install also has the benefit of cleaning out old programs, folders and files that may have been something you *thought about* installing, and then didn't. Or you did install said program, but for various reasons decided against keeping it and the uninstall of said program isn't complete. By which I mean, perhaps some files or folders are not in standard locations so when you delete the folder and files, or use whatever uninstall system you normally use, all the bits aren't always cleanly removed. This can happen when there is a new consensus coming together in the Linux community, about exactly where various bits and pieces of code are to be placed so ( in our case ) *Suse* and in general Distro X , also, knows where to look for it. It sometimes happened in the past when there was a disagreement as to the exact ( preferred ) location of files or folders should be. *But* if you are installing something that you got , for instance, directly from the primary programmer. (i.e. Usually the latest and greatest multimedia files are ones you may find work better than what was in the current release.Perhaps only the newest Alsa, or Jack, or Amarok or actually recognizes your sound card or chip, it happens shrug) This problem seems to have resolved itself ... for now ;-) As you can see , you can have a lot of files or folders lying about your system that may NOT cause problems, but waste space.. and Just might cause odd problems in the future. A clean install gets rid of all the *chit* and makes things tidy. And you recover space on your drives you weren't even aware you were missing. This might be really important on a laptop. I'm an exception: I always upgrade. I have done so since 5.3. If it hoses (it did once, 7.3 -- 8.1), there is the backup and retry or clean install. My advice is to do a full backup before either upgrading or instaling new version fresh. Oh boy ,Carlos is so right on the money here. I agree, and more, suggest you don't skimp on this backup. Put in items, files, you might not do in a normal backup.. like, for instance, some of your config files. The ones in the /etc directory , as those are your system wide settings. That way you will have a copy you can SEE to compare to the *new* one , should there be some sort of odd config problem. You *could* just print them.. but that's a lot of paper! Be certain , whatever route you go, that you have a clean copy of your /etc/X11/XF86Config file ( and perhaps print a copy as well ) the /etc/X11/xorg.conf for good measure. Just in case... perhaps ,the next nvidia-xconfig makes a dogs dinner of things.. or your power goes down in the middle of installing the drivers for your monitor and video card.. or chips Dastardly things can happen. In fact I would make sure I had a printed copy of any item that has given me trouble in the past.. be certain you note changes especially. If you also have a clean copy of these files, you can always use your init 3 login and just rename the one that isn't working and then copy your old one into that location.( assuming, for instance you *do* have the nvidia driver installed !! Obviously if it isn't installed and you copy a config file that is looking for nvidia drivers, you will most likely not get a display. You are going to be really unhappy at that. ;) however, if it's just something weird in the way the file got written, or it wasn't completely done.. replacing the bolloxed on w/ a prior config file that worked will allow you get back to a desktop and presumably if getting a display is your main problem, you can send email shout out for help.. :) Chances are you won't need it, and it's even less likely that anything can go as radically wrong as some of us have had in the past. Usually w/ a box which isn't a critical use box.. so if it's down , or needs care, or a kick in the backside.. we can make it obey. As you can see, many old hands ( relatively speaking in computer usage terms, Linux user terms ) are opting for an upgrade, even when it's more than one level upgrade.. But as you say you
Re: [opensuse] Installing windows last
Jake Conk wrote: Hello, I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? The reason people say install Windows first is because it doesn't play nice. You can count on it clobbering grub. Also, when you install Linux after Windows, it will find the Windows install, add it to grub and mount the Windows partitions, if you wish. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release of openSUSE?
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 13:28 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: Here are some of my perspectives, views and opinions. They are neither authoritative, definitive nor official. - The view long held by those among us inclined to be conservative about system stability and integrity have generally had a strong preference for using only clean installs, not upgrades. Thank you for stating that. This is a valuable lesson. I must say I am puzzled by the inconvenient upgrade path openSUSE (and most other distributions) offer. When you think about it any given system is only the sum of the kernel, gnu-utils and software packages like kde and X11. Look at Linux from scratch, you wouldn't install the whole system twice because this is a waist of time, you only upgrade the packages you need/want. In short we use the 'cathedral' model for handeling 'bazar' type software. Where is the best place to propose an alternative? Novell bugzilla? -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] KAddressBook and Vcards
On Friday 26 October 2007 05:37:05 am G T Smith wrote: Ummm.. valid Vcards lovely idea :-)... the specification is so broad that you can damn near do anything.. What is probably more accurate is that the application does not understand the format of the VCard Solution... not nice ... find out what the application expects from a VCard by filling in relevant dummy fields export VCard write something in you favourite text processing language which translate VCard format A to VCard format B... I kind of had a suspicion that that is what it was going to come down to, was just hoping that there was a simpler option This is fairly common with devices or applications which export or import in VCard format... usually hit this when migrating phones e.g. Sony Ericcson to Nokia vice versa or moving info between PIM and Phone. ok, thanks. -Jesse signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Wish?! process running at 100%
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 03:06 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 22:54 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: When I look with top I see a process 'wish' eating away all my cpu. Anyone knows what this process does? man wish - -- *blushing* Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] OpenOffice Question
I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. If I try to type in Run Calc, I get KCalc. I looked and it seems I have OOo 2.3.0.1 installed. Am I missing something? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] nVidia and Acrobat question
On Friday 26 October 2007 07:07, Cristea Bogdan wrote: Does anyone else noticed that AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486 is much slower than previous version 7.x.x? I use openSuSE 10.2. In fact, I believe some things (searching, in particular) are distinctly faster. I get the impression page display is faster, too. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing windows last
Adding to this message, even if you have the original Suse CD, as long as it's 10.1 or so, there is an option after the initial boot up from CD that allows you to check your system, there in an option in there to check grub and the system repairs it, only gotcha is that recreates the menu.lst accordingly to the original and then if you had more than one configuration it would erase, so make a backup of your menu.lst before you go ahead with this. Cheers Jose Michael Skiba wrote: Am Freitag, 26. Oktober 2007 12:14:41 schrieb Jake Conk: Hello, I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? You should be able to install Windows after Linux too, however it's easier, more comfortable and safer, when you do it first. As I get from your description, I can understand you didn't installed it in the first place, but want to have it as alternative now. When you install windows you can be sure it will screw up grub, in other words kill and replace it, however this isn't such a big problem if you've a Linux liveCD and can access the old system to re-do the grub install part, also you'll have to add the windows boot entry by hand but that shouldn't be a big deal either. Greetings Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] nVidia and Acrobat question
On Friday 26 October 2007 01:09, Igor Jagec wrote: I update my system every day, but I noticed that some packages are still outdated. For instance nVidia proprietary drivers and Acrobat Reader. Do you have any plans to update these packages? It doesn't really answer your question, but upgrading Adobe Reader (the proper name, now) using the RPM available for download directly from Adobe is trivial and works just fine. You must either use an upgrade invocation of the rpm command: # rpm -U AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486.rpm or you must first remove the package: # rpm -e AdobeReader_enu # rpm -i AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486.rpm Cheers! Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] nVidia and Acrobat question
Does anyone else noticed that AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486 is much slower than previous version 7.x.x? I use openSuSE 10.2. On 10/26/07, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 October 2007 01:09, Igor Jagec wrote: I update my system every day, but I noticed that some packages are still outdated. For instance nVidia proprietary drivers and Acrobat Reader. Do you have any plans to update these packages? It doesn't really answer your question, but upgrading Adobe Reader (the proper name, now) using the RPM available for download directly from Adobe is trivial and works just fine. You must either use an upgrade invocation of the rpm command: # rpm -U AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486.rpm or you must first remove the package: # rpm -e AdobeReader_enu # rpm -i AdobeReader_enu-8.1.1-1.i486.rpm Cheers! Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bogdan Cristea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
Kai Ponte wrote: I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. If I try to type in Run Calc, I get KCalc. I looked and it seems I have OOo 2.3.0.1 installed. Am I missing something? Hi Kai I'm still on 2.0.4, but when I open a csv file from openoffice, I get the standard Text Import dialogue. The open sequence: File-Open-select file-Open. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - your spam is our business. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
Hi, On 10/26/07, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai Ponte wrote: I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. If I try to type in Run Calc, I get KCalc. I looked and it seems I have OOo 2.3.0.1 installed. Am I missing something? I have 3.2.0.1 also and no problem% it opens xls and if I'm trying to open csv file, I get text import dialog. I did not install KCalc though. OOo spreadsheet module is called oocalc. Can you call it from command line? -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-10-26 at 07:15 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote: I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. Do yo have oocalc installed? Make sure you do. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIf1utTMYHG2NR9URAiWQAJ4hGwI/k5Pc/edLtkQ0Pj6KoZMorACfVfGY gHUVfyZF8AQXQPgmn7kZhaE= =o7Cf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice - 2.3. Issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Petr Mladek wrote: Hello, I am sorry for the late repply. On Friday 12 October 2007, G T Smith wrote: Do you know what macro caused this? It is a particular problem with a function call, the function failing is thiscomponent.storeAsURl with an unspecified exception, the values being passed to seem to be OK (now)... The template concerned is a little old so it could be that the call has changed somewhere along the line or the function has been depreciated... (Been meaning to tweak this template so I can use it from both Windows and Linux platforms without having two distinct copies for some time anyway) The VBA (Visual Basic) stuff is under a heavy development. It is possible that we broke the compatibility by mistake. Could you please report this problem into buzilla: product:OpenOffice.org 2.0 component: Macros Would be possible to attach the problematic template there? No problem... Submitted as 337041... Did do a little further investigating and found that storeToURL caused similar problem... On the other issues I found the situation is bit inconsistent, some files that I had problem with on 2.0.x and cifs that got fixed after some samba tweaks, now no longer work, but not all of them. Does not seem to be any pattern to this... I have also found something new... I can print envelopes if I just select the envelope pages, but as a part a large document page format goes strange. However, I am experiencing a similar problem across a range of applications... so I am not sure what is responsible.. - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIeDLasN0sSnLmgIRAizOAJ0auvAlBQAaFN39PjjSuyDuWfXSNgCgsS7n aURrKNzIe/j1D4IDW7jp5O4= =4OS8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
Kai Ponte wrote: I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. Hi! Starting from 2.3.x, opensuse (or ooffice.org?) splits OpenOffice into a bunch of rpms. If you install OpenOffice.org, you only have the common base, and one of the less important products. Search for openoffice in the package mangement, and install all that appear sensible ... starting from OpenOffice_org-calc-*, I presume. Hope this helps, Sebastian PS: Why does reply not default to the list? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
Glenn Holmer wrote: On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:33, Jorge Fábregas wrote: What bothers me is their lack of response. I went to: http://shop.novell.com/question and provided all my order details and never received any answer. I just got a terse response from Novell: Thank you for contacting the ShopNovell. We do not show that product available yet. What the hell is going on here? In German we have a saying for this: The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... Have some fun with your still not released 10.3 download version. ;-)) kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YAST2 not uninstalling
On Friday 26 October 2007 3:31 am, Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2007 09:04:52 pm Allen wrote: I've tried a few times to uninstall some apps I don't need or use, and when I select them for deletion, it says it's installing them instead... Anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I did add repos to it so it takes a while before YAST loads up and I've downloaded apps and installed them with it, but a few I'd like to get rid of because I don't use them and they just won't go away. As I said I launch YAST2, find the apps I want to uninstall, and then mark them for deletion, and then when I finish it says it's installing them instead and they still show up on the SUSE menu. Any help is appreciated, Thanks Mark for deinstallation is trash can. Icon with Z is to refresh or update. Checkmark is for installation. Wrong direction traffic sign is to tell YaST not to touch package. Yea, I knew that part ;) That's why I thought it was strange. They had some in there that were locked and I was like OK that's odd, I unlocked them, and tried to delete them with the method you said above, which was why I sent a message here because it just wouldn't do that, I thought it was odd and was thinking maybe I was just to tired and screwed up, I am after all human heh. But yea, I will tell them to delete and it shows the trash can but once I have the ones I want trash canned, and finish, it says it's installing them instead. I thought it was odd. Thanks though, the other reply I'll send a separate message for so as to not cause confusion in replies. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YAST2 not uninstalling
On Friday 26 October 2007 6:53 am, Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 22:04 -0400, Allen wrote: As I said I launch YAST2, find the apps I want to uninstall, and then mark them for deletion, and then when I finish it says it's installing them instead and they still show up on the SUSE menu. It might be a dependency. One of the options shows you what it is finally going to install/unistall. You should also click the button check dependencies. If it fails, then use the comandline rpm --erase --force ...rpm - I think with those options, if not, 'man' is your friend. Trye first without force to see why it complains. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Thanks man, I'll give it another shot. SUSE and Slackware are my two absolute fav distros so I'm not calling it quits over this, I love them both and use both and ONLY those. They do what I need and more. So if it fails again I'll give those commands a shot. I used to be the one helping others on here back when it was 9.0 and 10.0 and now I've been so busy I've started getting rusty with UNIX lol. Reason is, well, I got Married, and I'm moving back and forth between two countries right now, so it's taken some of my time away that I normally had to mess around on machines and I only have my laptop right now as my desktops are currently in another country so I had no way to set up another machine to test on. Anyway though, thank you very much, and I'll give it another go and see if it's a dependency thing. If so I'll check what needs it and if I don't need those apps I'll take them all out. when I added the repos I found them and added them into YAST2 and kept the ones that are there by default as I wanted the patches from OpenSUSE and just wanted to option of adding third party stuff from the others, so I added those in and added some new software to give it a shot, and that's pretty much how all this started up. Man this turned out to be longer than I intended, heh sorry. Anyway, thanks much and I'll give those a shot and make sure I save these emails so I can check the commands later on, we have to leave in a sec, going out for Breakfast. Have a good one, Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE Menu and Yast
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Teruel de Campo MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-26-07 08:45]: Problem: yast entry is not any more under SuSE menu/computer tab This seems to be a problem I have in two installations of opensuse 10.3. Initially yast is there then without any problem is not there any more . It is in System config. Yast works ok. Under KDE menu is also OK. How can I add yast back to the SuSE menu/Computer tab. try:kmenuedit - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHIgoqClSjbQz1U5oRAro/AJ93Hio1Ih1yITVGBPx6P9dpbNP2BgCgry9w w6cYyMEY8r9h43t/1Mnx4+g= =EpJq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Suspend to swap replacement on 10.3 for Thinkpad T41
I installed the 10.3 KDE one CD version over 10.0. Fn+f4 used to suspend to swap. That now does nothing. I can do suspend to swap from the display manager, KDM, but I need a way to do while logged in. pm-suspend looks like a low power state. I need a no power state. Looking at the syslog it looks like KDM is invoking swsusp, but there is no executable with that name in the path and locate finds nothing with that name. Suggestions? Pointers to info? TIA, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Aniruddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-26-07 12:25]: I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. smart apt/apt-get And our brand new zypper :O) see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper It has its flaws (e.g. search is a bit broken now), but gets better and better :O) Jano to search only: pin webpin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Asterisk
On 2007-10-26 17:23:22 +0100, John ffitch wrote: In 10.3 there does not seem to be an Asterisk package. Wherre has it gone? I found a kiax package but no main Asterisk http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=asteriskbaseproject=openSUSE:10.3 darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] One-Click Install
Bryen wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 17:59 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Dennis J. Tuchler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-25-07 17:24]: Is there a how to or general description of one-click install? Do you need one? Most generally, click on the icon/addr and the application will be installed. Seems pretty obvious he's asking for more than How do I click on the icon. Dennis, check out this link http://en.opensuse.org/Standards/One_Click_Install Actually, I was curious as to how it works. -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:46 +0200, Jan Kupec wrote: Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. In other words what is the openSUSE equivalent for: Debian aptitude search $ (search in package names) zypper search $ apt-cache search $ (search package descriptions) zypper search -d $ (this is currently (in 10.3) broken :O() aptitude install $ (install package) zypper install $ see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper and man zypper for more Jano zypper is really impressive! Does this belong to the core of openSUSE? For example when during install I don't select any package for install (including X11, yast2 KDE etc.), can I still rely on zypper?\ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE 10.3 / nVidia / Twinview / KDE / AMD_64 / Compiz current issues
On Friday 26 October 2007 12:19:32 am CyberOrg wrote: On 10/25/07, Brad Bourn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taskbar: -Doesn't display all windows (have show from all desktops disabled, when this is enabled, they all show up) -Hiding is inttermittant Isn't it what it is supposed to do? I would expect it to show me all the windows of the current viewport, not just the windows for the screen that has the taskbar.. And, if you configure it to auto-hide, I wouldn't expect it to be intermittant. Should hide when it doesn't have focus. Especially when set to immediately KDE: -altF2 doesn't bring up the run dialog -kde decorations not working, using emerald -switches resize from altbutton2 to altbutton3 rpm -e libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig --nodeps See also: http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Fusion#Alt.2BF2_Does_not_work_in_KDE the libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig is installed (version 0.6.0-1.1 X86_64) I found this snippet: Alt+F2 Does not work in KDE * To start a run dialog in KDE add to ccsm - General Options - Commands - Command line 0 - dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand and associate this with execute command binding to ALT+F2 in Actions tab. It works ONLY AFTER deleting the ALT+F2 association for Execute Run dialog field So, I go to ccsm and find the Commands tab. I enter dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand in textEdit box for Command line 0 in the Commands tab. The Associate this with 'execute command binding' to ALT+F2 is confusing. I find the Actions tab, and under Commands, I see run command 0, so this is what I set to altF2. Under General I find the Run Dialog set to ALT-F2, and disabled it. I couldn't find a way to delete it. And I still can't get the run dialog. Isn't the Run Dialog set to ALT-F2 supposed to work? ALT-F9 for minimize works, ALT-Space works, why not alt-F1 for main menu or alt-F2? The above directions (as best as I could understand) didn't make it work either. Plugins: -Water Effect doesn't toggle off all the way. CPU stays at 88% used, even though no water is shown. Have to disable plugin to get CPU back -Window Placement doesn't seem to care about title=KMail -Window Rules WILL see the title=KMail for non-movable window, but if you use the mouse in upper right corner, select KMail, it moves it to centered screen1 instead of the non-movable location 0,0 on screen 2. Check http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ if there is details of proper usage. I don't know what 'proper' usage would be. Don't move is pretty straight forward, it shouldn't move. But, there are some instances where this gets overridden, like when you use the mouse on upper right corner to switch windows. SHIFT-F9 to toggle is also straight forward, press it once, see the water. Press it again, water stops, (but CPU still doing something, until you disable to plugin). Window placement is also pretty straight forward. Enter the same identifier for the the window that the no move rule works with to identify the window for placement. I would think that any other placement aside from what I entered means that it didn't listen to what I entered. Compiz: -With Water effects going, cube fish, cube gears, yast_update, and ctrlaltbutton1 moving of cube around, system will freeze (xgl, can still get to VC1 and init 3/5) (stress test) Of course it will freeze, water itself is very resource hungry. So it is supposed to freeze? (e.g. won't come back when finished?) I don't think this is by design. Shouldn't get in a race state. I can switch to VC and get my CPU back. I let it sit for hours, to see if it would eventually finish as if things were 'queued', but when things got busy, it never did recover. It shouldn't freeze. chunk - ok. get slow - ok. drop frames - ok. give error message - ok. just freeze, until init 3 / 5, NOT ok. -sometimes when the screen saver kicks in, it is off centered. Instead of X/Y for upper left being 0,0 (whole screen) it is somewhere like (800,600) instead Known issue, try checking ccsm - general - Unredirect full screen known issue? good enough. I know this is development. I'm happy to use/test. It isn't a show stopper. This is already better than anything else I've ever used. Not complaining one bit. Trying to help. (with what little time I have) -No window title bars can go above 0,0. I use VNC to view remote desktops, and I always put the VNC title bar above 0 so that the remote title bar is at 0 ccsm - move - constraint Y Wonderful! This was it. I found a few other 'settings' that were in ccsm that I just didn't expect, but wasn't a bug. Just different from default. Like the alt-button3 for resize. No biggie. Thanks for the info. worked like a charm. Thank you for your work. This is a fucking beautiful thing! Love it! B-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
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Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
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Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
On Friday October 26 2007 08:31, Eberhard Roloff wrote: Glenn Holmer wrote: On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:33, Jorge Fábregas wrote: What bothers me is their lack of response. I went to: http://shop.novell.com/question and provided all my order details and never received any answer. I just got a terse response from Novell: Thank you for contacting the ShopNovell. We do not show that product available yet. What the hell is going on here? In German we have a saying for this: The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing... Have some fun with your still not released 10.3 download version. ;-)) kind regards Eberhard Actually just received same letter as you. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Site does not work in openSUSE version of Firefox but OK in Mozilla version?
Hi, On 10/23/07, Mark Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have strange situation. The whole story is quite long, but briefly - bank site works correctly in Firefox under MS Windows and in Mozilla version of FF under openSUSE, but does not work in openSUSE version of FF. ... What happens is that the account page has upper line with clickable icons and account data and also some notebook type menu with clickable lines. When it works (MS Windows and Mozilla version of FF), the page is rendered once. Under openSUSE FF the page is initially drawn correctly, but after some delay it is re-drawn and this time it is distorted (no account data) and icons and tabs becomes not clickable (cursor shape is not changed on these items also). I can say for sure that it did not work in openSUSE FF 2.0.0.5 and does not work in 2.0.0.8 (latest). I compared page source code in working case (under Mozilla FF) and in bad case (SUSE FF) and to my surprise found out that when the page is opened under Mozila FF, it contains reference to ieEmu.js while in SUSE FF this script is not used. I guess ieEmu is emulation of Internet Explorer. So it looks like somehow SUSE version of FF identifies itself differently and site does not handle it as FF. I've checked that SUSE version has additional useragent fields: vendor and vendorSub. Could they cause such a behavior? -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. In other words what is the openSUSE equivalent for: Debian aptitude search $ (search in package names) apt-cache search $ (search package descriptions) aptitude install $ (install package) Gentoo emerge -s $ (search in package names) emerge -S $ (search package descriptions) emerge $ (install package) -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Asterisk
In 10.3 there does not seem to be an Asterisk package. Wherre has it gone? I found a kiax package but no main Asterisk ==John ff -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice Question
On Friday 26 October 2007 08:22, Sebastian Brandt wrote: Kai Ponte wrote: I was just trying to open a file in order to make a spreadsheet. (It is a comma-delimited file which is the result of a sql query.) I can't seem to open a spreadsheet in OpenOffice. I try and make a new file, try to open Excel files and all I get is some chart tool. Hi! Starting from 2.3.x, opensuse (or ooffice.org?) splits OpenOffice into a bunch of rpms. If you install OpenOffice.org, you only have the common base, and one of the less important products. Search for openoffice in the package mangement, and install all that appear sensible ... starting from OpenOffice_org-calc-*, I presume. Ahh, I got it! thanks!!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:46 +0200, Jan Kupec wrote: Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. In other words what is the openSUSE equivalent for: Debian aptitude search $ (search in package names) zypper search $ apt-cache search $ (search package descriptions) zypper search -d $ (this is currently (in 10.3) broken :O() aptitude install $ (install package) zypper install $ see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper and man zypper for more Jano How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:22 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. In other words what is the openSUSE equivalent for: Debian aptitude search $ (search in package names) apt-cache search $ (search package descriptions) aptitude install $ (install package) Gentoo emerge -s $ (search in package names) emerge -S $ (search package descriptions) emerge $ (install package) -- Regards, Aniruddha I'm not sure what you mean by 'search' as it could mean many things. Could you explain more indepth on that one? As for installing an rpm package, simply type 'rpm -i (filename.rpm)' Conversely, to uninstall, you would type 'rpm -e (packagename)' -- not the installed file name. -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do search and install rpm's from the commandline? I know I can run yast in curses mode but I am looking for something more basic. In other words what is the openSUSE equivalent for: Debian aptitude search $ (search in package names) zypper search $ apt-cache search $ (search package descriptions) zypper search -d $ (this is currently (in 10.3) broken :O() aptitude install $ (install package) zypper install $ see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper and man zypper for more Jano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 Boxes (shipping?)
On Friday October 26 2007 05:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opensuse@opensuse.org I ordered mine on Oct 2nd and still have not received any infomation about shipment. I've email them twice with on response. Does anyone have a phone number for them? All I find on website is pre sales and tech support. Sure is poor customer relations. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] kstartupconfig
hey gang, I've been plagued by this error for a while on our network. When a user tries to login they get: (1) Could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation Followed closely by: (2) Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation Under the condition that the home directories aren't mounted users will always get message (1). Both messages appear in some unknown condition. This is usually fixed by having the user login using a different window manager than KDE and then switching back to KDE. However that hasn't brought me any closer to the root cause of the problem. In most cases this is something I have had to do once per user. After moving our user directories to a new filesystem our users are constantly having this issue and have to switch window managers after each reboot. If anyone can offer even a glimpse I can probably shake a solution out. Cheers Todd Systems Administrator - Soho VFX - Visual Effects Studio 99 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 303 Toronto, Ontario, M6K 3J8 (416) 516-7863 http://www.sohovfx.com - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [RESOLVED] Site does not work in openSUSE version of Firefox but OK in Mozilla version?
On 10/26/07, Mark Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 10/23/07, Mark Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have strange situation. The whole story is quite long, but briefly - bank site works correctly in Firefox under MS Windows and in Mozilla version of FF under openSUSE, but does not work in openSUSE version of FF. ... What happens is that the account page has upper line with clickable icons and account data and also some notebook type menu with clickable lines. When it works (MS Windows and Mozilla version of FF), the page is rendered once. Under openSUSE FF the page is initially drawn correctly, but after some delay it is re-drawn and this time it is distorted (no account data) and icons and tabs becomes not clickable (cursor shape is not changed on these items also). I can say for sure that it did not work in openSUSE FF 2.0.0.5 and does not work in 2.0.0.8 (latest). I compared page source code in working case (under Mozilla FF) and in bad case (SUSE FF) and to my surprise found out that when the page is opened under Mozila FF, it contains reference to ieEmu.js while in SUSE FF this script is not used. I guess ieEmu is emulation of Internet Explorer. So it looks like somehow SUSE version of FF identifies itself differently and site does not handle it as FF. I've checked that SUSE version has additional useragent fields: vendor and vendorSub. Could they cause such a behavior? Strange as it is, bank site probably uses these strings to identify the client browser. After adding these 2 fields to Mozilla FF, it stopped working. I then removed them from SUSE FF (by editing firefox-novell.js) and got the site working correctly in SUSE browser. I hope, removing of these variables does not break anything? -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Grub on CD
On Friday 26 October 2007 04:39:28 am Clive Rogers wrote: Hi Carlos, On Friday 26 October 2007 01:32:47 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 23:02 +0100, Clive Rogers wrote: It's already on the SuSE install CD/DVD snip Also, if his machine can boot from the usb, I think you could install grub there. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Do you mean he can boot his partition from a USB key ? I will google this and have an look see. Thanks for the heads up on this one. Clive, what is the problem with my explanation? Since 10.2 openSUSE is using generic bootloader that will boot any partition marked bootable independent of installed operating system. Install grub in boot sector of openSUSE partition and using console program cfdisk make it active, it is called 'bootable' in cfdisk. MBR of hard disk will stay as is. Limitation to this is that bootable can be only primary partition, not logical as generic bootloader is looking in partition table that has only 4 entries for primary partitions. YaST Partitioner for now lacks ability to change bootable/active flag so you have to use external program (cfdisk) to change it. If your friend decide not to use Linux all you have to do is to boot in openSUSE and run cfdisk again and mark windows partition as bootable and openSUSE will disappear, while it will be possible to boot it from CD or USB stick. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:46 +0200, Jan Kupec wrote: see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper and man zypper for more Jano How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. -- Regards, Aniruddha Ok learned that '# zypper update -t package' upgrades the entire system :). Unfortunately I immediately run into trouble, anyone know how I should fix this? 2 Problems: Problem: No valid solution found with just resolvables of best architecture. Problem: Cannot install wesnoth-data-base, because it is conflicting with wesnoth-data Problem: No valid solution found with just resolvables of best architecture. With this run only resolvables with the best architecture have been regarded. Regarding all possible resolvables takes time, but can come to a valid result. Solution 1: Make a solver run with ALL possibilities. Regarding all resolvables with a compatible architecture. number, (r)etry or (c)ancel -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
Aniruddha wrote: How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. zypper update package as told 1 times! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On 26/10/2007, Aniruddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zypper is really impressive! Does this belong to the core of openSUSE? For example when during install I don't select any package for install (including X11, yast2 KDE etc.), can I still rely on zypper?\ Zypper is in the base install, even if yast's software management is not installed zypper will be (in 10.3) -- Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YAST2 not uninstalling
On Friday 26 October 2007 10:45:00 am Allen wrote: On Friday 26 October 2007 3:31 am, Rajko M. wrote: [...] Mark for deinstallation is trash can. Icon with Z is to refresh or update. Checkmark is for installation. Wrong direction traffic sign is to tell YaST not to touch package. Yea, I knew that part ;) That's why I thought it was strange. They had some in there that were locked and I was like OK that's odd, I unlocked them, and tried to delete them with the method you said above, which was why I sent a message here because it just wouldn't do that, I thought it was odd and was thinking maybe I was just to tired and screwed up, I am after all human heh. But yea, I will tell them to delete and it shows the trash can but once I have the ones I want trash canned, and finish, it says it's installing them instead. I thought it was odd. You can see where the package is comming from. Sometimes there are errors in package that make dependency resolver running in circles, unable to resolve problem. If that is external repository than you can disable repository and ask YaST to update package. That will install original openSUSE version without errors. Second that can make problem is dependency to other packages, but then after Accept you should see window that pops up with messages about dependency problems. It will be good if you post what package and what repository it is comming from. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
2007/10/26, Aniruddha [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. -- Whats the output of #zypper lu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:33 +0100, Benji Weber wrote: On 26/10/2007, Aniruddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zypper is really impressive! Does this belong to the core of openSUSE? For example when during install I don't select any package for install (including X11, yast2 KDE etc.), can I still rely on zypper?\ Zypper is in the base install, even if yast's software management is not installed zypper will be (in 10.3) -- Benjamin Weber That is good news :) -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 11:40 -0500, Bryen wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by 'search' as it could mean many things. Could you explain more indepth on that one? As for installing an rpm package, simply type 'rpm -i (filename.rpm)' Conversely, to uninstall, you would type 'rpm -e (packagename)' -- not the installed file name. -- ---Bryen--- I think you are far to used to openSUSE :p. I mean searching and installing from online repositories. With rpm -i you can only install local rpm's ;) -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 19:33 +0200, Erik Jakobsen wrote: Aniruddha wrote: How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. zypper update package as told 1 times! No way, than you have been sharing the wrong command for 1 times. It's # zypper update -t package ;) -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] No space left (but there is some!!)
2007/10/24, Jeff Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, I just subscribed to this list, so this is the first message I have in my inbox on this topic. I've read the rest on the archive. I do regularly read opensuse-kernel, though. First to start with the questions from the bottom up: ReiserFS doesn't reserve space for anything other than the journal. ReiserFS doesn't have inodes. It has items that are referenced by keys. The only thing there is a shortage of is objectids, which are regular 32-bit integers. Unless you've managed to create ~ 4 billion files, you're not running out of them. This bug is likely caused by a patch I put into 10.3 that started using the first_zero_hint value that is calculated in the bitmap code. The calculations have been there for ages, but they haven't been used until the 10.3 kernel. It short circuits the bitmap scanning code to skip ranges it knows are already used. After the 10.3 release, I decided this was a dubious optimization and was likely responsible for problems just like this one (bug 331814). I pushed a patch to mainline that rips the first_zero_hint code out entirely. To test this hypothesis, please download and test a kernel from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/jeffm/suse/testpkgs/331814 I'm very much interested in feedback to ensure that this solves the problem. Thanks. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs Installed the test kernel but all my reiserfs are read only now... FS: -- mainwks:~ df -h S.ficheros Tamaño Usado Disp Uso% Montado en /dev/mapper/system-root 6,0G 1004M 4,7G 18% / udev 1007M 120K 1007M 1% /dev /dev/md0 99M 27M 68M 28% /boot /dev/mapper/system-datos 151G 151G 755M 100% /datos /dev/mapper/system-home 32G 24G 8,1G 75% /home /dev/mapper/system-ftp 15G 15G 306M 99% /srv/ftp /dev/mapper/system-usr 5,0G 3,3G 1,4G 71% /usr /dev/mapper/system-var 2,0G 417M 1,5G 22% /var /dev/mapper/system-vmware 20G 19G 1,8G 92% /var/lib/vmware -- Mounted as follow: mainwks:~ mount /dev/mapper/system-root on / type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/md0 on /boot type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-datos on /datos type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-home on /home type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-ftp on /srv/ftp type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-usr on /usr type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-var on /var type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-vmware on /var/lib/vmware type reiserfs (rw) nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) --- Read only messages: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo dosaokdsa hbla bash: hbla: Sistema de ficheros de sólo lectura - No space left messages: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo sdad /datos/peliculas/test bash: echo: write error: No queda espacio en el dispositivo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo dosaokdsa /srv/ftp/update/10.3/sadad bash: echo: write error: No queda espacio en el dispositivo - Regards, Ciro
Re: [opensuse] No space left (but there is some!!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciro Iriarte wrote: 2007/10/24, Jeff Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok, I just subscribed to this list, so this is the first message I have in my inbox on this topic. I've read the rest on the archive. I do regularly read opensuse-kernel, though. First to start with the questions from the bottom up: ReiserFS doesn't reserve space for anything other than the journal. ReiserFS doesn't have inodes. It has items that are referenced by keys. The only thing there is a shortage of is objectids, which are regular 32-bit integers. Unless you've managed to create ~ 4 billion files, you're not running out of them. This bug is likely caused by a patch I put into 10.3 that started using the first_zero_hint value that is calculated in the bitmap code. The calculations have been there for ages, but they haven't been used until the 10.3 kernel. It short circuits the bitmap scanning code to skip ranges it knows are already used. After the 10.3 release, I decided this was a dubious optimization and was likely responsible for problems just like this one (bug 331814). I pushed a patch to mainline that rips the first_zero_hint code out entirely. To test this hypothesis, please download and test a kernel from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/jeffm/suse/testpkgs/331814 I'm very much interested in feedback to ensure that this solves the problem. Thanks. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs Installed the test kernel but all my reiserfs are read only now... FS: -- mainwks:~ df -h S.ficheros Tamaño Usado Disp Uso% Montado en /dev/mapper/system-root 6,0G 1004M 4,7G 18% / udev 1007M 120K 1007M 1% /dev /dev/md0 99M 27M 68M 28% /boot /dev/mapper/system-datos 151G 151G 755M 100% /datos /dev/mapper/system-home 32G 24G 8,1G 75% /home /dev/mapper/system-ftp 15G 15G 306M 99% /srv/ftp /dev/mapper/system-usr 5,0G 3,3G 1,4G 71% /usr /dev/mapper/system-var 2,0G 417M 1,5G 22% /var /dev/mapper/system-vmware 20G 19G 1,8G 92% /var/lib/vmware -- Mounted as follow: mainwks:~ mount /dev/mapper/system-root on / type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/md0 on /boot type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-datos on /datos type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-home on /home type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-ftp on /srv/ftp type reiserfs (rw) /dev/mapper/system-usr on /usr type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-var on /var type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/mapper/system-vmware on /var/lib/vmware type reiserfs (rw) nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw) rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw) --- Read only messages: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo dosaokdsa hbla bash: hbla: Sistema de ficheros de sólo lectura - No space left messages: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo sdad /datos/peliculas/test bash: echo: write error: No queda espacio en el dispositivo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ echo dosaokdsa /srv/ftp/update/10.3/sadad bash: echo: write error: No queda espacio en el dispositivo - Can you send me the output from dmesg? The file system must have aborted for some reason. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHIiMnLPWxlyuTD7IRAixWAKCSISxSJbuXXsRroWL4V3hBlK/WowCfe+F9 EA/3286Ua1Sqo5Xv8ETGyWQ= =5FhD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing windows last
On 2007/10/26 03:14 (GMT-0700) Jake Conk apparently typed: I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? As http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/install-doz-after.html explains, installing doz afterwards is no big deal - in the usual case. However, due to your mirroring situation, there may possibly be complicating issues. Fixing Grub is not a big deal. Grub has multiple components, only one of which might live in the MBR, the only place where doz will disrupt it. Putting it back when it happens does not require changes to Grub's boot configuration file that lives on your SUSE partitioning, though you may wish to do that to facilitate your multiboot. The biggest thing to be sure of, which should not be an issue when installing on an empty HD, is that doz does not change any partitioning on your existing disks, as that could make a quite complicated repair necessary. The easiest thing for you to do is probably to disable the current HDs in the PC BIOS, which will make the doz installer think it's installing to the only disk in the system. After you're done you can reenable them and then modify Grub to add doz as a menu option. If your BIOS makes that difficult or impossible to do, you may be able to accomplish the same thing by decabling the disks you don't wish the doz installer to see, depending on the device names associated with the new and existing disks, and whether they're using normal jumpering or cable select mode. -- The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. President Harry S. Truman Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Friday 26 October 2007 10:33:39 am Aniruddha wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 18:46 +0200, Jan Kupec wrote: see http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper and man zypper for more Jano How do I update my system using zypper? '# zypper update' yields 'Nothing to do.' while according to the 'openSUSE updater applet' I have over 130 upgradable packages. -- Regards, Aniruddha Ok learned that '# zypper update -t package' upgrades the entire system :). Unfortunately I immediately run into trouble, anyone know how I should fix this? 2 Problems: Problem: No valid solution found with just resolvables of best architecture. Problem: Cannot install wesnoth-data-base, because it is conflicting with wesnoth-data Problem: No valid solution found with just resolvables of best architecture. With this run only resolvables with the best architecture have been regarded. Regarding all possible resolvables takes time, but can come to a valid result. Solution 1: Make a solver run with ALL possibilities. Regarding all resolvables with a compatible architecture. number, (r)etry or (c)ancel -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette Also, Just to lock it down to a certain repo you can do: zypper update -t package -r Repo Name -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How does one upgrade to the next stable release of openSUSE?
On Thursday 25 October 2007 22:54:11 Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2007 14:33, Andrew Johnson wrote: On Thursday 25 October 2007 21:28:23 Randall R Schulz wrote: It is, but see below. I recall one person recently mentioning here (this list) successfully doing a 10.0 - 10.3 upgrade. More below. I have just done a 10.1 to 10.3 upgrade with hardly any problems. Unless they were entirely idiosyncratic or perhaps just cockpit error, it might be helpful to hear a bit about the problems you did encounter and how you resolved them. On my Suse 10.1 installation I used ndiswrapper to run my wireless card which was a Belkin (Broadcom Air Force One) wireless card (which 10.2 and 10.3 both recognise) but then Yast tells me that I have to add some software to get it to work. Fine. Tried bcm43xx-fwcutter which fails because apparently it doesn't find a matching serial number in my bcmwl5.sys recovered from Belkin CD. I can't remember the exact train of events but somehow it finally dawned on me that before I could use ndiswrapper, I needed to remove the bcm43xx modulefrom the kernel. Once I had removed that with modprobe -r, the installation of ndiswrapper and setup of my wireless card went just as easily as setting it up in 10.1 (I have used 10.2 but I just didn't like it for some reason that now escapes me). I also had a problem with one of the Java 1.5 files that Yast refused to upgrade because it insisted the file wasn't there. In the end after seeing advice elsewhere (I think on this list), I downloaded the installer from Sun Microsystems web site and loaded it in that way. Subsequently my Java is thoroughly well behaved. The original error here may have been cockpit error in what I told Yast to do to resolve dependencies so I can'y say whether this was a bug or not. -- Andrew Johnson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing windows last
Jake Conk wrote: Hello, I have openSUSE setup right now on my machine that has 2 mirrored 80gb disks. I just got another disk 80gb disk but I would like to install windows on it. My question is, is it possible to install windows on that new disk without it taking off my grub? I know most multiboot setups that include windows always say install windows first then install linux so it can auto detect your windows partition and setup grub accordingly but in my case I already have linux setup and want to install windows while keeping suse's grub menu. Is this possible and how? If you install Windows, it will GLEEFULLY overwrite your MBR, forcing you to repair your Linux install. Just partition your disk first with the SuSe install disk, then install Windows, and lastly, Install Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Once again..........
Clayton wrote: While the above figures give you a ball-park figure for what wattage your PSU should be able to handle, it then becomes a matter of ensuring that you get a PSU which *will* be able to 'deliver' because many PSUs (including expensive ones) claim one thing but simply do not 'deliver' when it comes to the crunch. Just to back up Basil's comments... I had loads of odd and unsolvable problems with peripheral devices (like printers), and randomly failing hard drives (that worked fine when put into a second test machine). Very frustrating problems that I knew should not be a problem, or should be easily solved. I ended up replacing the PSU with a BeQuiet 600W (http://www.be-quiet.net), and that cleared it all up. The computer has been rock solid stable ever since. Now the only issues I have are all the ones I create by tinkering. C. Frank, Let me second Clayton's remarks. I had a mandrival server that I swore had a corrupt kernel or was possessed by the devil. It ran beautifully for almost a year. Then over the course of several months it randomly began locking up more frequently. Sometimes with kernel errors spewed all over the console, sometimes with drive errors, and sometimes for reasons only it knew of. After testing everything but the psu (because it was Antec, and older Antecs were all bulletproof) I decided to blindly change the psu. As replacement PSU from a price/performace stand point, I have always liked the Thermaltake W0100RU 500W RT. Usually runs about $60 US and will easily support a modern CPU, 4 large drive, dvd, video, and everything else I use. After installing the new psu, the sever is back to being rock solid again. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052 (shown as the best price from) http://computers.pricegrabber.com/power-supplies/m/35656978/ As for service/price/RMA response/etc I have always like newegg. (No I don't work for or endorse anyone, I just know who I have dealt with in the past and which vendors were honest) May not be your problem, but I hope that helps. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mount.ntfs-3g eating substantial CPU
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 23:18 -0500, David C. Rankin J.D. P.E. wrote: Listmates, What is it that causes mount.ntfs-3g to run at what seems like random times. When this occurs, it will eat 17-30% pf the CPU running for several minutes also creating a lot of hard drive activity. Is this something like beagle that I can just shoot in the head? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 To maximize a window... Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com I have noticed exactly the same behaviour. That why I immediately unmount my ntfs-3g partitions when I am done. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] 10.3 and swap question on 4-GB ram
I helped a friend install 10.3 64-bit on his Q6600 machine that has 4-GB of ram yesterday. Wow was the installation fast. SUSE setup a 2-GB swap space by default. We over road that and made it 4-GB. Is this a bug/oversite or on purpose? If on purpose what is the logic behind that? Cheers, Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do search and install rpm's from the commandline?
On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 11:17 -0700, Ben Kevan wrote: Also, Just to lock it down to a certain repo you can do: zypper update -t package -r Repo Name I am fiddling with the 'zypper update -t package -r Repo Name' I really wonder if there isn't there a simpler way to: 'Make a solver run with ALL possibilities. Regarding all resolvables with a compatible architecture.' -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] wlan browse
Hello :-) I'm very new regarding to WLAN... I try to configure on my brand new laptop acer 9410Z the WLAN card Broadcom 94311MCG. This card is seen by Yast, but I can't make it work. The problem may be worst because the only network I have as wifi is the very same I have as eth gigabit card, so it may conflict? However I could make the card work in windows... My router allows me only to have a wep key (no open net available). I use an Hex one. in network manager, I give the ESSID (name) jdd_home, the card is seen, I give the key, and the network manager keep asking if I want an open system or a shared key (none of the answer works though), than searching it fails isn't a browse capability, where I could see what wifi networks are available, at least I could know if this is a hardware problem or a software/config one!! (I can do this with my cell phone :-) yhanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Qn re zypper
Is there an advantage of using zypper over using yast2 to install or update? -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Suspend to swap replacement on 10.3 for Thinkpad T41
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2007-10-26 at 10:54 -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: I installed the 10.3 KDE one CD version over 10.0. Fn+f4 used to suspend to swap. That now does nothing. I can do suspend to swap from the display manager, KDM, but I need a way to do while logged in. pm-suspend looks like a low power state. I need a no power state. Looking at the syslog it looks like KDM is invoking swsusp, but there is no executable with that name in the path and locate finds nothing with that name. Suggestions? Pointers to info? Have a look at /etc/sysconfig/powersave, and adjust these variables: EVENT_BUTTON_POWER=wm_shutdown EVENT_BUTTON_SLEEP=suspend_to_disk EVENT_BUTTON_LID_OPEN=ignore EVENT_BUTTON_LID_CLOSED=screen_saver There is a yast module for that, powermanagement. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIj2mtTMYHG2NR9URAtnyAJ94cWDMe9mLduxKjRdGN8yc4UrKtACfQM8B nY1AwrjujWICFkXM/7yTi8c= =3Wzf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
