[opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based controls. In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have no problems with speed or response. I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows running inside SUSE. http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/67 ...and they call me a pointy-haird boss...ha! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based controls. In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have no problems with speed or response. I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows running inside SUSE. Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:30 am, Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote: >> On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to >> > SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main >> > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based >> > controls. >> > >> > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a >> 1400x1050 >> > resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have >> > no problems with speed or response. >> > >> > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows >> > running inside SUSE. >> >> Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox. > > He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very good, > very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that can yet be > said of VirtualBox. Agreed. I spent hours setting up my virtual machine the way I want it. I don't plan to scrap it and start over. However, it is nice to see that there are free competitors. I plan to buy a new home PC this year for my wife. I'll install SUSE, of course. I plan for her to have a virtual machine. Maybe I'll use VirtualBox for it to run XP/2K apps. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
Kai Ponte wrote: > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to > SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based > controls. > > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 > resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have no > problems with speed or response. > I think you did it the smart way, you installed SUSE and used VMWare as 'rubber gloves' to run a Windoze OS within the protection of Linux :) > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows > running inside SUSE. > ...actually, UNIX predates Win by quite a bit and as Linux is a 'clone' of *NIX, I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree with. :) > http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/67 > Very cool! Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to > > SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main > > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based > > controls. > > > > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 > > resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have > > no problems with speed or response. > > > > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows > > running inside SUSE. > > Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox. He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very good, very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that can yet be said of VirtualBox. > -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:54 am, Richard Creighton wrote: > Kai Ponte wrote: >> Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to >> SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main >> application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based >> controls. >> >> In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 >> resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have no >> problems with speed or response. >> > I think you did it the smart way, you installed SUSE and used VMWare > as > 'rubber gloves' to run a Windoze OS within the protection of Linux :) >> I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows >> running inside SUSE. >> > actually, UNIX predates Win by quite a bit and as Linux is a > 'clone' > of *NIX, IIRC, Windows NT is a better unix than unix. :P > I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and > emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a > software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent > contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree > with. :) LOL! Actually I refer to the old closed-source install only from our CD's mentality type of OS. Heck, I'm surprised Windows doesn't hand out dongles with their software. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
Kai Ponte wrote: > >> I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and >> emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a >> software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent >> contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree >> with. :) >> > LOL! > > Actually I refer to the old closed-source install only from our CD's > mentality type of OS. Heck, I'm surprised Windows doesn't hand out > dongles with their software. > SHH!Don't give them any ideas! That would be just another extra cost option required to run their latest and greatest. So far, *none* of my Windoze friends have successfully installed Vista without hardware upgrades. All had been running XP with no problems but were convinced they 'needed' Vista. One had a 4 month old computer and it failed to upgrade.Linux rules! What I love about Linux: It runs VMWare that can pretend to be a computer running Vista :) ...and does it while doing real work in the background to boot! :) Richard > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
Kai Ponte wrote: > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to > SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based > controls. > > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050 > resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have no > problems with speed or response. > > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows > running inside SUSE. > > http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/67 > > > > ...and they call me a pointy-haird boss...ha! > > I also use VMware WS 6 to run a Win 2K client - and it all works fine. Since this might be a bit OT, could you tell me perhaps off-list, if you managed to set up the supplied virtual printer (I could not; I just turned Win 2K it into a CUPS network client) and did you manage to "talk" to one or more serial ports ( I have not succeeded so far)? begin:vcard fn:Daniel Feiglin n:Feiglin;Daniel adr:;;POB 36;Shavei Shomron;Doar Na;44858;ISRAEL email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:972 9 8616204 tel;fax:972 9 8621052 tel;pager:Skype user ID: baba_danny tel;home:972 9 8320939 tel;cell:927 52 3869986 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Friday June 22 2007 12:50:05 pm Kai Ponte wrote: > On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:30 am, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > >> On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to > >> > SUSE. One of the things I needed it to do was run our main > >> > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based > >> > controls. > >> > > >> > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a > >> > >> 1400x1050 > >> > >> > resolution with the application running just fine inside. I have > >> > no problems with speed or response. > >> > > >> > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows > >> > running inside SUSE. > >> > >> Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox. > > > > He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very good, > > very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that can yet be > > said of VirtualBox. > > Agreed. I spent hours setting up my virtual machine the way I want it. > I don't plan to scrap it and start over. > > However, it is nice to see that there are free competitors. I plan to > buy a new home PC this year for my wife. I'll install SUSE, of course. > I plan for her to have a virtual machine. Maybe I'll use VirtualBox > for it to run XP/2K apps. Do like I did and install both on the same hardware. VirtualBox seems to be a lighter weight option in that it runs very well on <1GHz processors and <512MB RAM. VirtualBox doesn't have all the bells and whistles of VMware especially in the network setup. It does seem to me on my hardware to be quicker though; faster to load, faster to shutdown, faster running. Same application load, same updates, same virtual disk size, same memory size usage, etc. I have a free copy of VMware 5.5 so the cost isn't an issue. I am not doing any stress testing other than browser testing of websites, tech support of customers Windows problems, etc. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Saturday 23 June 2007 17:28, S Glasoe wrote: > On Friday June 22 2007 12:50:05 pm Kai Ponte wrote: > > On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:30 am, Randall R Schulz wrote: > > > On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > > >> ... > > >> > > >> Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox. > > > > > > He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very > > > good, very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that > > > can yet be said of VirtualBox. > > > > Agreed. I spent hours setting up my virtual machine the way I want > > it. I don't plan to scrap it and start over. > > > > ... > > Do like I did and install both on the same hardware. VirtualBox seems > to be a lighter weight option in that it runs very well on <1GHz > processors and <512MB RAM. VirtualBox doesn't have all the bells and > whistles of VMware especially in the network setup. It does seem to > me on my hardware to be quicker though; faster to load, faster to > shutdown, faster running. Same application load, same updates, same > virtual disk size, same memory size usage, etc. I have a free copy of > VMware 5.5 so the cost isn't an issue. How well does VirtualBox integerate the clipboard between the host and guest environments? I think of all the functions of the VMware Tools, clipboard integration is what I use most. Second would probably be file sharing (i.e., the guest, at least Windows, can see select portions of the host file system as Windows / CIFS shares). And, of course, I make ubiquitous use of the virtualized network connections. I do like knowing that my Windows is behind a NAT, at least. > ... > Stan Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Saturday June 23 2007 7:53:45 pm Randall R Schulz wrote: > How well does VirtualBox integerate the clipboard between the host and > guest environments? I think of all the functions of the VMware Tools, > clipboard integration is what I use most. Second would probably be file > sharing (i.e., the guest, at least Windows, can see select portions of > the host file system as Windows / CIFS shares). And, of course, I make > ubiquitous use of the virtualized network connections. I do like > knowing that my Windows is behind a NAT, at least. > > Randall Schulz File sharing is not a problem. Networking in general isn't as mature as VMware; not as easy to setup, not as many options, NAT works. I have to go back and double check the clipboard later this evening. More later... -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Saturday 23 June 2007 17:53, Randall R Schulz wrote: > ... > > How well does VirtualBox integerate the clipboard between the host > and guest environments? I think of all the functions of the VMware > Tools, clipboard integration is what I use most. Second would > probably be file sharing (i.e., the guest, at least Windows, can see > select portions of the host file system as Windows / CIFS shares). > And, of course, I make ubiquitous use of the virtualized network > connections. I do like knowing that my Windows is behind a NAT, at > least. Actually, I don't think the host-to-guest file sharing is done via SMB / CIFS. When I view the Properties dialog in my current VMware setup, it shows the type as "Network Drive" and the "File System:" as "HGFS" (which I've never seen or heard of elsewhere, I don't think). As far as I can tell, this is a VMware-proprietary file system used solely for the purpose of host-to-guest file sharing. > > ... > > Stan Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On 6/24/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I don't think the host-to-guest file sharing is done via SMB / CIFS. When I view the Properties dialog in my current VMware setup, it shows the type as "Network Drive" and the "File System:" as "HGFS" (which I've never seen or heard of elsewhere, I don't think). As far as I can tell, this is a VMware-proprietary file system used solely for the purpose of host-to-guest file sharing. have you done anything special (other than install vmware tools and enable the option) to get the shared folder thing to work? I have never seen the shared folder inside a windows VM ... I've always just assumed that this might be "one of those things" that doesn't work with a linux host ... Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Sunday 24 June 2007 15:12, Peter Van Lone wrote: > On 6/24/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I don't think the host-to-guest file sharing is done via > > SMB / CIFS. When I view the Properties dialog in my current VMware > > setup, it shows the type as "Network Drive" and the "File System:" > > as "HGFS" (which I've never seen or heard of elsewhere, I don't > > think). As far as I can tell, this is a VMware-proprietary file > > system used solely for the purpose of host-to-guest file sharing. > > have you done anything special (other than install vmware tools and > enable the option) to get the shared folder thing to work? Not that I recall. I've had this setup in place for quite a while, now. Of course, you have to configure the shared folders in the VM configuration dialog _and_ enable them. But beyond just doing those ordinary things, there's nothing special I recall having to do. > I have never seen the shared folder inside a windows VM ... I've > always just assumed that this might be "one of those things" that > doesn't work with a linux host ... No, it works fine for me. This is on a SuSE Linux 10.0 release. If I'm not mistaken, this feature is not available in VMware Server (the $free version). I have VMware Workstation (currently running version 5—I'm waiting for a time to upgrade to version 6 that will maximize the negative impact of any issues that might arise during the upgrade; it's something I have a knack for...). > Peter Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On 6/24/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not that I recall. I've had this setup in place for quite a while, now. Of course, you have to configure the shared folders in the VM configuration dialog _and_ enable them. But beyond just doing those ordinary things, there's nothing special I recall having to do. hmm ... so, when you run windows explorer, does it appear as a removable drive? Or, as another hard disk? Or, as a network resource? No, it works fine for me. This is on a SuSE Linux 10.0 release. If I'm not mistaken, this feature is not available in VMware Server (the $free version). I have VMware Workstation (currently running version 5—I'm waiting for a time to upgrade to version 6 that will maximize the negative impact of any issues that might arise during the upgrade; it's something I have a knack for...). I've run vmware workstation 5.x, 5.5 and now 6.x on everything from suse 10 to SLED 10 -- Sure wish I could get this to work ... as it is, each time I need to do something with a windows tool, I then have to store the file in the vm. Drag and drop and copy/paste of the files works ... but it seems ridiculous to have to have 2 versions, or to have to constantly copy back and forth to maintain the correct version in both places ... Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Sunday 24 June 2007 15:37, Peter Van Lone wrote: > On 6/24/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not that I recall. I've had this setup in place for quite a while, > > now. Of course, you have to configure the shared folders in the VM > > configuration dialog _and_ enable them. But beyond just doing those > > ordinary things, there's nothing special I recall having to do. > > hmm ... so, when you run windows explorer, does it appear as a > removable drive? Or, as another hard disk? Or, as a network resource? As I mentioned, it's reported as Network Drive whose file system is HGFS. And yes, it's there in Windows Explorer as well as in the usual variety of Open and Save dialogs within applications. > > No, it works fine for me. This is on a SuSE Linux 10.0 release. If > > I'm not mistaken, this feature is not available in VMware Server > > (the $free version). ... > > I've run vmware workstation 5.x, 5.5 and now 6.x on everything from > suse 10 to SLED 10 -- > > Sure wish I could get this to work ... as it is, each time I need to > do something with a windows tool, I then have to store the file in > the vm. Drag and drop and copy/paste of the files works ... but it > seems ridiculous to have to have 2 versions, or to have to constantly > copy back and forth to maintain the correct version in both places > ... Perhaps it something about how you installed or configured VMware? I know the configuration Perl script asks you a lot of questions. One of them might bear on the availability of the shared folders function. If you've been carrying forward your earlier configurations, it might be something you did long ago. > Peter Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On 6/24/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps it something about how you installed or configured VMware? I know the configuration Perl script asks you a lot of questions. One of them might bear on the availability of the shared folders function. If you've been carrying forward your earlier configurations, it might be something you did long ago. well your comments caused me to pursue this again, after not having looked into it for some time. I found a post on the vmware forum, that suggested that you may need to remove and re-add the vmware tools application on a guest running on an Ubuntu host. So ... I did that, as it had been several versions of vmware workstation since I first installed the tools in this guest. Voila! I guess I sometimes forget that "remove and re-install" is the applications analogue of "reboot" in windows world. Thnx for the kick in the butt that caused me to actually try again, Randall! P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
On Sunday June 24 2007 8:27:39 am S Glasoe wrote: > On Saturday June 23 2007 7:53:45 pm Randall R Schulz wrote: > > How well does VirtualBox integerate the clipboard between the host and > > guest environments? I think of all the functions of the VMware Tools, > > clipboard integration is what I use most. Second would probably be file > > sharing (i.e., the guest, at least Windows, can see select portions of > > the host file system as Windows / CIFS shares). And, of course, I make > > ubiquitous use of the virtualized network connections. I do like > > knowing that my Windows is behind a NAT, at least. > > > > Randall Schulz > > File sharing is not a problem. Networking in general isn't as mature as > VMware; not as easy to setup, not as many options, NAT works. > > I have to go back and double check the clipboard later this evening. > > More later... The latest version 1.40 of VirtualBox has clipboard support; host->guest only, guest->host only or bi-directional. NAT works out of the box. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!
S Glasoe wrote: On Sunday June 24 2007 8:27:39 am S Glasoe wrote: On Saturday June 23 2007 7:53:45 pm Randall R Schulz wrote: How well does VirtualBox integerate the clipboard between the host and guest environments? I think of all the functions of the VMware Tools, clipboard integration is what I use most. Second would probably be file sharing (i.e., the guest, at least Windows, can see select portions of the host file system as Windows / CIFS shares). And, of course, I make ubiquitous use of the virtualized network connections. I do like knowing that my Windows is behind a NAT, at least. Randall Schulz File sharing is not a problem. Networking in general isn't as mature as VMware; not as easy to setup, not as many options, NAT works. I have to go back and double check the clipboard later this evening. More later... The latest version 1.40 of VirtualBox has clipboard support; host->guest only, guest->host only or bi-directional. NAT works out of the box. And why, exactly, should I love VM Ware? I've tried three times to install 10.2 in a VMware virtual box under WinXP. Each time everything has worked fine UNTIL vmware-tools is installed and the vmware-config-tools.pl script is executed. On every boot after that, initialization proceeds to the point that the vmware interface code starts to run, and the virtual machine closes with extreme prejudice. BTW, this is with VMware Server 1.0.3. I guess you get what you pay for. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Gordon Keehn wrote: > On every boot after that, > initialization proceeds to the point that the vmware interface code > starts to run, and the virtual machine closes with extreme prejudice. > BTW, this is with VMware Server 1.0.3. I guess you get what you pay for. Or in this case, you also get what you DON'T pay for. That exact scenario works for me. Have you tried looking in the Vmware Forums? -- _ John Andersen pgpwpH4Mjmj3A.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tuesday 26 June 2007 11:50, John Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Gordon Keehn wrote: > > On every boot after that, > > initialization proceeds to the point that the vmware interface code > > starts to run, and the virtual machine closes with extreme > > prejudice. BTW, this is with VMware Server 1.0.3. I guess you > > get what you pay for. > > Or in this case, you also get what you DON'T pay for. > That exact scenario works for me. > Have you tried looking in the Vmware Forums? VMware has proved itself to be very high-quality software. And as John says, their forums are very helpful. It's very likely someone else has encountered the problem or something similar you are and can help you around it. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
