Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Den Mon 15. October 2007 17:37:46 skrev Felix Miata: > On 2007/10/15 10:53 (GMT-0400) Michael Comperchio apparently typed: > > Anyone know how to make KMAIL open up replies with the caret at the > > bottom? > If someone tells you how, and you do it, will you automatically remember to > trim away unnecessary quoted material before beginning your reply? ... said the gentleman with the sig spanning half the entire e-mail :) -- http://www.DonAssad.com jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please consider the environment - do you really need to print out this e-mail? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On 2007/10/15 10:53 (GMT-0400) Michael Comperchio apparently typed: > Adapt to list I shell. I just read the > http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette link and like coding > standards at a new job, I'll just have to comply! > Anyone know how to make KMAIL open up replies with the caret at the bottom? If someone tells you how, and you do it, will you automatically remember to trim away unnecessary quoted material before beginning your reply? -- "The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. President Harry S. Truman Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 14 October 2007 11:28, houghi wrote: > On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 10:24:39AM -0400, Michael Comperchio wrote: > > Since I thread (and probably everyone else does) the list(s), I can > > simply expand them, the I click from message to message. When people top > > post I hardly have to move the mouse to read all the new stuff, when > > people bottom post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) > > pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.so I usually just > > right click and delete those that are bottom posted. > > > > I never have understood the logic of bottom posting > > Because YOU read mail in a certain way (my using a mouse) does not mean > everybody else reads it the same way. > > Also as others pointed out, it is the rule here, so please addept to the > houserule. See the URLs below in my sig, especialy: > > Conclusion > > The old-timers, the real experts, the ones who can really give advice, > have grown tired of people that use any message style and shape that come > in mind. Many just "plonk" a message and request for assistance is > completely ignored. So if you want good advice, please, do only what you > do when visit someones home, accept hosts customs. > > houghi Adapt to list I shell. I just read the http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette link and like coding standards at a new job, I'll just have to comply! Anyone know how to make KMAIL open up replies with the caret at the bottom? -- Michael Comperchio The integrity of the output is dependent on the integrity of the input [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860 485 8488 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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houghi wrote: > On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote: > >> 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While >> mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind >> that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out >> does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to >> adjust. Saying "I do not even answer topposters"... what did that gain? >> > > Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not > toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are > killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you > are going to do. > > No it's not. It's quite simply put an overexaggerated ego that somehow I care why you are blocking somebodies posts. Contrary to the opinion of certain people here, they are not the be all and end all of all information related to SuSE. It's damaging to the ego, but it's true. If somebody doesn't answer my question, either somebody else will or I'll find it myself. I swear, I know drama queens that make less of a grand exit than some people I have encountered here. If somebody is going to killfile, killfile, but leave the dramatics to the RuPauls of the world. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 01:14:15 schrieb John Meyer: > You can make reasonable > arguments for either style, therefore it is a matter of choice. No it's not, according to the netiquette[0], we use bottom posting. Period. I'm sick of this old theme, we've it every 3 months(correct me, it's probably even more often..). So please, if you want to participate on this list please hold on to them, otherwise everyone will know you're not caring about it - as we won't do about your problems. Really, I'm sick of this topic, so excuse me if I sound a little huffy. Cheers Michael [0] http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On 2007/10/14 14:41 (GMT-0400) Jos van Kan apparently typed: > There is a time for every purpose under heaven. Eccl ?:?:? Where is Felix > Miata > when we need him? :-) I made a reply to this thread Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:11:05 -0400, but apparently it disappeared into the ether. It showed up nether here nor in the archive thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-10/msg01757.html -- "The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. President Harry S. Truman Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anders Johansson schreef: > On Sunday 14 October 2007 17:23:07 houghi wrote: > Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not >> toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are >> killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you >> are going to do. > > And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems > to > me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves It's related to the seasons. In autumnal depressions we recycle the top/bottom posts discussion. In spring depressions, however, we recycle the Reply-to-list discussion. It'll pass eventually. :-) There is a time for every purpose under heaven. Eccl ?:?:? Where is Felix Miata when we need him? :-) -- Jos van Kanregistered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday, 14 October 2007, Anders Johansson wrote: > > And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion > which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts > themselves > > Grow up Indeed. This list has more off-topic discussion than the off-topic list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 14 October 2007 17:23:07 houghi wrote: > On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote: > > 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While > > mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind > > that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out > > does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to > > adjust. Saying "I do not even answer topposters"... what did that gain? > > Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not > toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are > killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you > are going to do. And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves Grow up -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote: > 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While > mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind > that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out > does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to > adjust. Saying "I do not even answer topposters"... what did that gain? Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you are going to do. > All it does is create two camps in the same list and in essence two sub > "invisible" lists where one is filtered and the other isn't. Filtering is an individual something. If poeple decide to filter me or anmybody else out for whatever reason is totaly up to them. I would find it rude if they NOT tell me their point of view as to why they would do so. Wether somebody replies or not on whatever is also up to those individuals. I think it to be polite to let people know that I do not answer topposters in general. That way they can take action or not. Yet at least they know the reason. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below: > Please do not toppost.Please turn off HTML > Read http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette > Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 10:24 -0400, Michael Comperchio wrote: post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.so I usually just right click and delete those that are bottom posted. Because those bottomposters are lazy and don't follow the rules. They are supposed to eliminate all that unneeded text. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi/VtTMYHG2NR9URAqKTAJ4kNonXb8tKnR7yfUJvqgcOkUxIMACfc43q dk4K81+bGkk80O6XByM+73I= =pn9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 14:13 +0100, jpff wrote: Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition. You are supposed to eliminate all the extra unneeded quotes when bottom posting. People that bottompost without eliminating those lines are just as bad as those that toppost. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi7qtTMYHG2NR9URAppuAJ9Pbv/We+TVi13i6PUs96IoxQ5AqgCfcMTb GOloMq1+43X71z8u+oin36w= =AlZL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To all... I've kept silent for the most part but watched the posts on this subject and I'd like to state my two cents here. (as a newbie) Some points to remember: 1) Though this is a publicly accessed forum, it is NOT a publicly-owned forum. As such, the rules, as stated at the Netiquette page should be followed, whether we disagree or not. Harping all we want isn't going to get anywhere. 2) It is clear that the subject of topposting versus bottomposting is not a new subject here and those who have been members of this list are probably tired of hearing this debate over and over. It does interfere with the normal flow of discussions pertaining to the focus of the list itself. Those of us who are new here must respect that these issues have been discussed many times in the past before we got here. A consensus was agreed upon and everyone moved on. If we newbies want a change, wait a while until we gain some stature within the list and then propose a change. Jumping in and then trying to force the issue is tacky. 3) Note that I said "propose a change." Not demand it. Not flout the existing rules. Saying "I think top posting is just fine, do whatever you want" is rude and disrespectful to a group that has worked hard to carefully develop rules of Netiquette. 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to adjust. Saying "I do not even answer topposters"... what did that gain? All it does is create two camps in the same list and in essence two sub "invisible" lists where one is filtered and the other isn't. While we need to follow the rules of the road here, and I believe most newbies do their best to, let's remember that Novell set up OpenSuse as a way for the world to participate in the development of Suse. I suspect this issue may get re-raised quite a bit over the next few weeks as 10.3 was just released. 10.3 has gotten alot of press and there are many first time users who are motivated to get involved and communicate. As a consequence, there will likely be a new influx of newbies over the next few weeks and I hope you have patience as OpenSuse community goes through its current growth spurt. Done stating my piece and I will try my best to avoid discussing this topic anymore. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 02:13:12PM +0100, jpff wrote: > Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top > posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I have been using computers for not that long, however have been using Usenet and mailinglists pretty intence and I prefere inline and if not bottomposting. I do not even answer topposters. > I hate having to read > pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line > addition. That is where inline posting comes in and also snipping irrelevant parts. Also understand that you are on a mailinglist and not in personal mail, so it is very well possible that somebody has not read everything. So deleting everything is also very rude as it might not always be clear what or who you answer to. > ==John ffitch > (*) Been using computer mail for 39 years Then you will be aware of the moments where 7 people eamil each other and suddenly decide that you should be in on it as well. Ye need to scroll down 25 pages and find the text between several company-disclaimers what is said and what you should answer to the question "What do you think of this?" With mailinglists it is the same. Each moment people start reading in the middle of a thread, because they just got the time now or are interested in the subject, or whatever reason. I also am unable to remember each and every posting I read in the last few days. I follow several newsgroups as well (although not as intence as I used to) and mailinglists, so it is always good to be rememberd what a person reacts to. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below: > Please do not toppost.Please turn off HTML > Read http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette > Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Since I thread (and probably everyone else does) the list(s), I can simply expand them, the I click from message to message. When people top post I hardly have to move the mouse to read all the new stuff, when people bottom post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.so I usually just right click and delete those that are bottom posted. I never have understood the logic of bottom posting Michael On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:05, Paul Hands wrote: > I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > > Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to > cope with it. > > Paul -- Michael Comperchio The integrity of the output is dependent on the integrity of the input [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860 485 8488 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kai Ponte wrote: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 HTH! HAND When I first started using linux (Caldera) and their user-organized list, I watched what everyone else was doing and figured that if I wanted help, it might be efficient to adopt the procedures used by the rest of the group. After reading the above document, I see that their procedures were/are identical to these. I choose other forums to be a free-thinking revolutionary; when I need to get my linux box fixed, I'm happy to follow a procedure, especially one that, BTW, makes sense. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition. ==John ffitch (*) Been using computer mail for 39 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 22:05 +0100, Paul Hands wrote: > I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > > Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to > cope with it. > > Paul Please stop cluttering this list with ot discussions. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday 13 October 2007 14:05, Paul Hands wrote: > I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > > Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to > cope with it. http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 HTH! HAND -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've never worn Nomex, but it sounds interesting, if possibly sweaty. Being Scottish I just wear the kilt. Fireproof by sheer bloody-mindedness. P. Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:20, Paul Hands wrote: > >> Asbestos? >> >> No. Way too weak. >> >> I need reinforced kevlar. >> > > I assume you mean Nomex. Kevlar is for protection against projectile > impact. Nomex is for heat protection. (Though they are similar > polymers.) > > But if you'd like to participate in the improvement of the species, you > might as well go with asbestos. If you survive to old age without > exhibiting any signs of malignant mesothelioma, we'll take > your "genetic material" and use it to produce a line of > asbestos-resistant offspring. > > > >> Anyway, if people take this all too seriously, >> > > Eh? > > > >> P. :-) >> > > > RRS > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/13/2007 sfreilly wrote: ok, we might as well take bets on how long this thread is going to last before the last post is made. I say sometime near halloween , any takers?? here we go AGAINlol I got Nov. 4, 2007 at 00:00Z -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:20, Paul Hands wrote: > Asbestos? > > No. Way too weak. > > I need reinforced kevlar. I assume you mean Nomex. Kevlar is for protection against projectile impact. Nomex is for heat protection. (Though they are similar polymers.) But if you'd like to participate in the improvement of the species, you might as well go with asbestos. If you survive to old age without exhibiting any signs of malignant mesothelioma, we'll take your "genetic material" and use it to produce a line of asbestos-resistant offspring. > Anyway, if people take this all too seriously, Eh? > P. :-) RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, sorry, and apologies to the forum. I didn't expect a posting storm. I just *hate* being told what to do or how to behave. I also work for Google, so it's normal for me to kick out against conventions. P. sfreilly wrote: > Billie Walsh wrote: > > Paul Hands wrote: > >> I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > >> don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > >> way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > >> Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to > >> cope with it. > >> > >> Paul > > I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna > > need it. > > ok, we might as well take bets on how long this thread is going to last > before the last post is made. I say sometime near halloween , any > takers?? > > here we go AGAINlol > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So..would you rather have good, correct answers wherever they are found, or people staying away because they don't fit in to the thought restrictions? I vote for choice. OK, P Sunny wrote: > On 10/13/07, Billie Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna >> need it. >> >> > > Man, I wish I had hit the "Update conversation" button before I hit > submit for my other post :) ... > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Asbestos? No. Way too weak. I need reinforced kevlar. Anyway, if people take this all too seriously, then that's their problem - it just gets in the way of communication. Lets do the communicating and stop worrying about the mechanism. P. :-) Billie Walsh wrote: > Paul Hands wrote: >> I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I >> don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either >> way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. >> Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to >> cope with it. >> >> Paul > > I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna > need it. > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Billie Walsh wrote: > Paul Hands wrote: >> I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I >> don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either >> way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. >> Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to >> cope with it. >> >> Paul > > I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna > need it. > ok, we might as well take bets on how long this thread is going to last before the last post is made. I say sometime near halloween , any takers?? here we go AGAINlol -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEV2ReNVNQEizwUoRApozAKDMCpVCS3NwPF6WgbtF0BIPt9FntACg2+Vx w+QyzfLG3gHb97Mhjpxv9H8= =nwCE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/13/07, Billie Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna > need it. > Man, I wish I had hit the "Update conversation" button before I hit submit for my other post :) ... -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/13/07, Paul Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > > Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to > cope with it. > It was never about what we can cope with, and what we prefer. I would like to think that it is not acceptable in your home to piss in the kitchen sink, and you kind of expect this from your guests and family members. And you wouldn't be happy if someone tell you (especially someone you met yesterday) - why not, I can deal with this - i.e. I don't mind if someone else piss in your sink. I'm grown up enough to have seen a lot of "instruments" in my life. The administrator of this list have set some rules - for good or bad- and we, as polite guests are supposed to obey them. I'll put aside the fact, that most of the help here is provided by so called bottom-post "zealots". And showing a little respect to what they advise is ... well ... "kind". No one objects your preferences, you are free to use whatever stile you like for your emails, but now when it's on someone else's server. Otherwise - welcome to the list. Feel free to behave as you like - no one else's wish is more inportant than yours. Thanks god, that email filtering by "From: " field are so easy these days. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Hands wrote: I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it. Paul I hope you got you asbestos underwear on. I gotta feeling your gonna need it. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
While I hate to bring this back to topic (I'm a bud man myself), I have nothing against either top or bottom posting. You can make reasonable arguments for either style, therefore it is a matter of choice. One caveat, though: if you bottom post or interthread your responses I would think that you should go out of your way to delete material that you're not commenting on. I think you'd have a major problem if you quoted six paragraphs only to comment on the first one or two. Also, I would be much more worried if you cut the intro line (so-and-so wrote) improperly with the quote. Paul Hands wrote: > Ran out of Guinness! Wine is next best thing. > > Wife is English : unbearably smug right now! > > p. > > > Frank Hale wrote: > >>> I'm a Scotsman sitting in Ireland, drinking Californian wine while >>> watching England and France play rugby. >>> >>> >> Well brag about it, HAHA >> >> If I were you I'd be drinking a nice Irish beer. But in any event you >> sure have the best view right now! >> >> >> >> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Ran out of Guinness! Wine is next best thing. Wife is English : unbearably smug right now! p. Frank Hale wrote: >> I'm a Scotsman sitting in Ireland, drinking Californian wine while >> watching England and France play rugby. >> > > Well brag about it, HAHA > > If I were you I'd be drinking a nice Irish beer. But in any event you > sure have the best view right now! > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
> I'm a Scotsman sitting in Ireland, drinking Californian wine while > watching England and France play rugby. Well brag about it, HAHA If I were you I'd be drinking a nice Irish beer. But in any event you sure have the best view right now! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Encore that! I'm a Scotsman sitting in Ireland, drinking Californian wine while watching England and France play rugby. ! Frank Hale wrote: >> I've had some wine after watching England beat France in the rugby. >> > > The topic should be about wine and sports, that would be more entertaining. =) > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Nah. Sometimes (like you), I put replies inline. And, I'm not sure that the "do as the romans do" is real. A few vocal bottom feeders^^^posters seem to want to force it on the others ;-) Long live choice - it's what OSS and Linux is supposed to be about. P. P.S. Please forgive me - I work for Google, and even they consider me strange. Jerry Houston wrote: > Paul Hands wrote: > >> I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I >> don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either >> way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. >> >> > > You're right -- with respect to business email. And it makes sense to > carry all the previous thread along with each message (which is what > usually happens with top-posting). If a situation requires that someone > new be brought into the conversation, simply Cc'ing them provides them > with the whole history of the discussion. The wasted space is the > company's wasted space, and they probably have IT policies to limit your > mailbox storage to a reasonable size. Indeed, email clients like > Outlook, that are primarily business-oriented, default to top-posting > replies. > > Public mailing lists are different. Here, we all have access to all of > the previous messages. Nobody new is being introduced to a > conversation, because we're all part of every conversation anyway, > unless we choose not to be. In the case of a public mailing list, it > makes sense to follow the internet conventions (especially if the list > administration requests it), for all the reasons that those conventions > were put in place. The wasted space is on somebody else's servers, and > that's not playing nice. > > At work, or in personal emails to friends, you should follow your own > advice, and post wherever you like. > > Here, though, you should consider yourself to be in Rome, and do as the > Romans do. > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
> I've had some wine after watching England beat France in the rugby. The topic should be about wine and sports, that would be more entertaining. =) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Paul Hands wrote: > I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I > don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either > way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > You're right -- with respect to business email. And it makes sense to carry all the previous thread along with each message (which is what usually happens with top-posting). If a situation requires that someone new be brought into the conversation, simply Cc'ing them provides them with the whole history of the discussion. The wasted space is the company's wasted space, and they probably have IT policies to limit your mailbox storage to a reasonable size. Indeed, email clients like Outlook, that are primarily business-oriented, default to top-posting replies. Public mailing lists are different. Here, we all have access to all of the previous messages. Nobody new is being introduced to a conversation, because we're all part of every conversation anyway, unless we choose not to be. In the case of a public mailing list, it makes sense to follow the internet conventions (especially if the list administration requests it), for all the reasons that those conventions were put in place. The wasted space is on somebody else's servers, and that's not playing nice. At work, or in personal emails to friends, you should follow your own advice, and post wherever you like. Here, though, you should consider yourself to be in Rome, and do as the Romans do. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Hey Jan! Your post reads fine by me, but doesn't accurately reflect top posting - that happens at a post level, not at a word level. I was *trying* to be ironic - people are different, and we need to be tolerant and adaptable. I guess it's too late on a Saturday, and I've had some wine after watching England beat France in the rugby. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Saturday 13 October 2007 14:21, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > ! > This > Reading > Problem > A > Have > Won't > You > Suppose > I > Then > Well > Oh It's not particularly hard, but the analogy is entirely false. > Not! Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
! This Reading Problem A Have Won't You Suppose I Then Well Oh Not! On Oct 13 2007 22:05, Paul Hands wrote: > >I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I >don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either >way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. > >Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to >cope with it. > >Paul >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
