Re: [opensuse] Communication, News etc.
Am Freitag, 17. Februar 2006 07:33 schrieb scsijon: At 05:13 AM 15/02/2006, you wrote: Wasn't sure whether to put this on the general opensuse or the wiki mailing list... ?wiki mailing list details please thanks scsijon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate The mailing list for Wiki issues. As it releates to the opensuse wiki's level of information and news about opensuse, I wasn't sure whether to post it under a general opensuse heading or specifically at the wiki list. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Having the information available buried in the archives of the mailing list which doesn't have a search function is not exactly helpful for casual users That is a big problem that OpenSUSE people refuse to understand. 1. The mailing-lists run on obsolete software (ezmlm). Mailman is much more featureful and user-friendly. 2. It is odd to run the mailing-lists on software that OpenSUSE does not even include on its distribution! 3. The best way to read many mailing-lists without having to download thousands of emails every day is to use the Gmane NNTP-Mailing-Lists gateway (http://www.gmane.org). And since Gmane has its own search engine, OpenSUSE wouldn't need to worry in implementing it. But for Gmane to make real sense, a mailing-list subscriber must be able to disable mail delivery. And this NOT possible with ezmlm. Despite all this, OpenSUSE insists on using ezmlm. Why? Mark -- ___ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2006-02-17 12:04:27 +, Mark Hellman wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:04:27 + From: Mark Hellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [opensuse] Communication, News etc. To: opensuse@opensuse.org Having the information available buried in the archives of the mailing list which doesn't have a search function is not exactly helpful for casual users That is a big problem that OpenSUSE people refuse to understand. 1. The mailing-lists run on obsolete software (ezmlm). Mailman is much more featureful and user-friendly. i dont think you need all the features of mailman. 2. It is odd to run the mailing-lists on software that OpenSUSE does not even include on its distribution! henne is working on the migration of the list to a software which is included on the distro: mlmmj 3. The best way to read many mailing-lists without having to download thousands of emails every day is to use the Gmane NNTP-Mailing-Lists gateway (http://www.gmane.org). And since Gmane has its own search engine, OpenSUSE wouldn't need to worry in implementing it. But for Gmane to make real sense, a mailing-list subscriber must be able to disable mail delivery. And this NOT possible with ezmlm. mlmmj allows no mail delivery subscription. Despite all this, OpenSUSE insists on using ezmlm. Why? noone thought on changing it so far? ezml was running fine for years. now it is moved to mlmmj. so noone really insists on using ezml. hope this helps darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2006-02-17 13:09:28 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: You should read the notes from the status update meetings... A migration to mlmmj is planned. work in progress. henne is beyond the planning state. :) darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 17 February 2006 12:40, Henne Vogelsang wrote: And now let me shock you. We are going to switch! To mailman? Hell no! LOL - I liked this post! -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Heh. Did you ever administer a mailinglist with more then 10 users? Did you ever administer a mailinglist server with more then 2 mailinglists? :) Yes, about 30 mailing-lists, 5 of them with more than 200 users. All in Mailman. Could you please be more specific on why do you think Mailman sucks and how mlmmj makes your life easier? Of course this is possible with ezmlm. Its not possible with our configuration of ezmlm. This will change with the new lists server. I see that you already aware of the fact OpenSUSE lists cannot be accessed by Gmane: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Jan/0647.html It would be great if that was fixed. Reading OpenSUSE lists without Gmane is a pain. Thanks, Mark -- ___ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: 1. The mailing-lists run on obsolete software (ezmlm). Mailman is much more featureful and user-friendly. Heh. Did you ever administer a mailinglist with more then 10 users? Did you ever administer a mailinglist server with more then 2 mailinglists? :) Yet he has a point. Mailman has a nice webinterface to subscribe, unsubscribe and put it on hold when you are on a holiday. Especialy that last one can be very handy on busy mailinglists. Yes, this can be done with sending mails. A webinterface however is more user-friendly. No idea if this could be done now in an easy way with the usage of your wiki login and password or the bugzilla login and password. Oh and others HAVE used mailman on more then one list with more then 10 users. I believe you must be familiar with KDE: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 15:06:09, houghi wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 01:40:42PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: 1. The mailing-lists run on obsolete software (ezmlm). Mailman is much more featureful and user-friendly. Heh. Did you ever administer a mailinglist with more then 10 users? Did you ever administer a mailinglist server with more then 2 mailinglists? :) Yet he has a point. Mailman has a nice webinterface to subscribe, unsubscribe and put it on hold when you are on a holiday. Which makes little sense at all. You put your email address into the webinterface to get a confirmation request over mail. Why anyone would use a webinterface to deal with mailinglists anyway is beyond me. Especialy that last one can be very handy on busy mailinglists. Yes, this can be done with sending mails. A webinterface however is more user-friendly. A webinterface like this can be implemented by simple input boxes. Like we did here http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/ But thats purely optional for the little amount of mailinglist users that want to have a webinterface. Oh and others HAVE used mailman on more then one list with more then 10 users. I believe you must be familiar with KDE: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo Sure. Sourceforge as well. Now go talk to them how heavily they had to hack mailman to get a service as good as qmail+ezmlm/postfix+mlmmj can provide :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services Rules change. The Game remains the same. - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: Which makes little sense at all. You put your email address into the webinterface to get a confirmation request over mail. Why anyone would use a webinterface to deal with mailinglists anyway is beyond me. It does not have to make sence to you, it has to make sence to the people using it. ;-) Especialy that last one can be very handy on busy mailinglists. Yes, this can be done with sending mails. A webinterface however is more user-friendly. A webinterface like this can be implemented by simple input boxes. Like we did here http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/ That is only for the subscribe part. I realy like the fact that you get a 'personal space' where you can change settinings. But thats purely optional for the little amount of mailinglist users that want to have a webinterface. How many are there? I would be very much in favour of a userinterface like Mailman has. especially the temporay stop is something I would find handy. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 14:04:43, Mark Hellman wrote: Heh. Did you ever administer a mailinglist with more then 10 users? Did you ever administer a mailinglist server with more then 2 mailinglists? :) Yes, about 30 mailing-lists, 5 of them with more than 200 users. All in Mailman. Could you please be more specific on why do you think Mailman sucks and how mlmmj makes your life easier? There are tons of reason and its a long long story that is discussed often. Consult google and make up your own opinion :) In the end it all boils down to Big and Beautiful (mailman) against Small and Beautiful (mlmmj/ezmlm) or How much overhead is you MLM adding to each mail (a LOT - mailman / nothing - mlmmj/ezmlm). Of course this is possible with ezmlm. Its not possible with our configuration of ezmlm. This will change with the new lists server. I see that you already aware of the fact OpenSUSE lists cannot be accessed by Gmane: http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Jan/0647.html I am. It would be great if that was fixed. We will fix this for sure. Reading OpenSUSE lists without Gmane is a pain. For you news wussys maybe ;) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services Rules change. The Game remains the same. - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi,
On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 15:58:12, houghi wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 03:26:44PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Which makes little sense at all. You put your email address into the
webinterface to get a confirmation request over mail. Why anyone would
use a webinterface to deal with mailinglists anyway is beyond me.
It does not have to make sence to you, it has to make sence to the people
using it. ;-)
Im default list-owner/part of ml-admin for some years now. Ive got maybe
5 requests for a webinterface to manage subscriptions. So my users dont
want a webinterface. Quite the converse, i think it helped building the
high quality lists that we have today that there isnt a webinterface.
And maybe i does not have to make sense to me but i have to administrate
it.
Especialy that last one can be very handy on busy mailinglists. Yes,
this can be done with sending mails. A webinterface however is more
user-friendly.
A webinterface like this can be implemented by simple input boxes. Like
we did here
http://www.suse.com/us/private/support/online_help/mailinglists/
That is only for the subscribe part. I realy like the fact that you get a
'personal space' where you can change settinings.
This can be done also with some simple php/perl scripts. You wont (and
dont want to) get around the confirmation mail.
Especially the temporay stop is something I would find handy.
Call it what you want but that is just a unsubscribe when you dont want
mails and a subscribe when you want them again. You gain nothing with
it:
temporay stop == {start temporay stop,stop temporay stop}
reality == {unsubscribe,subscribe}
Henne
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 05:05:46PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
That is only for the subscribe part. I realy like the fact that you get a
'personal space' where you can change settinings.
This can be done also with some simple php/perl scripts. You wont (and
dont want to) get around the confirmation mail.
So when will the page be up. ;-) Don't get me wrong. It is something I
would like, not someting I must have.
Especially the temporay stop is something I would find handy.
Call it what you want but that is just a unsubscribe when you dont want
mails and a subscribe when you want them again. You gain nothing with
it:
temporay stop == {start temporay stop,stop temporay stop}
reality == {unsubscribe,subscribe}
I still like it via a webinterface. That is the nice part of just being a
user, I don't have to care how it works. :-D
houghi
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Hi,
On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 17:32:25, houghi wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 05:05:46PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
That is only for the subscribe part. I realy like the fact that you get a
'personal space' where you can change settinings.
This can be done also with some simple php/perl scripts. You wont (and
dont want to) get around the confirmation mail.
So when will the page be up. ;-)
As soon as _you_ hacked it together :)
Don't get me wrong. It is something I would like, not someting I must
have.
We are on the same page then!
Especially the temporay stop is something I would find handy.
Call it what you want but that is just a unsubscribe when you dont
want mails and a subscribe when you want them again. You gain
nothing with it:
temporay stop == {start temporay stop,stop temporay stop} reality
== {unsubscribe,subscribe}
I still like it via a webinterface. That is the nice part of just
being a user, I don't have to care how it works. :-D
But now you know how to implement it in houghi-subscription-webinterface
1.0 :P
Henne
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: I still like it via a webinterface. That is the nice part of just being a user, I don't have to care how it works. :-D But now you know how to implement it in houghi-subscription-webinterface 1.0 :P As always, there is no need to reinvent the wheel (at least not completely): Have a look at the contrib directory of mlmmj [http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/]. It already has a basic web interface (in both perl and php) ready-to-go. Improvements are always welcome! Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 17:39:43, Christoph Thiel wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: I still like it via a webinterface. That is the nice part of just being a user, I don't have to care how it works. :-D But now you know how to implement it in houghi-subscription-webinterface 1.0 :P As always, there is no need to reinvent the wheel (at least not completely): Have a look at the contrib directory of mlmmj [http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/]. It already has a basic web interface (in both perl and php) ready-to-go. Improvements are always welcome! Hehe cthiels famous 140 lines of php 8) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services Rules change. The Game remains the same. - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Communication, News etc.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: I still like it via a webinterface. That is the nice part of just being a user, I don't have to care how it works. :-D But now you know how to implement it in houghi-subscription-webinterface 1.0 :P As always, there is no need to reinvent the wheel (at least not completely): Have a look at the contrib directory of mlmmj [http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/]. It already has a basic web interface (in both perl and php) ready-to-go. Improvements are always welcome! Hehe cthiels famous 140 lines of php 8) I guess I should redo it in ruby one day ;) Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2006-02-17 17:48:49 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote: I guess I should redo it in ruby one day ;) very good decision. for fosdem? ;) darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 05:35:29PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: Hi, On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 17:32:25, houghi wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 05:05:46PM +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: That is only for the subscribe part. I realy like the fact that you get a 'personal space' where you can change settinings. This can be done also with some simple php/perl scripts. You wont (and dont want to) get around the confirmation mail. So when will the page be up. ;-) As soon as _you_ hacked it together :) No problem. What is the login and password I can use to access lists.opensuse.org? (And WHO made that thing in the red? It hurts my eyes. The links points to a non-existing page, by the way. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Communication, News etc.
Am Freitag, 17. Februar 2006 17:05 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hi,
On Friday, February 17, 2006 at 15:58:12, houghi wrote:
snip
Especially the temporay stop is something I would find handy.
Call it what you want but that is just a unsubscribe when you dont want
mails and a subscribe when you want them again. You gain nothing with
it:
temporay stop == {start temporay stop,stop temporay stop}
reality == {unsubscribe,subscribe}
Henne
I think it is more a physchological thing, some people feel more comfortable
suspending their membership rather than quiting and re-joining; you get
this with clubs all the time, length of membership counts for status and
somebody who has been a member since 1990 looks better than I originally
joined in 1990, quit in 1999, rejoined in 2002... They have continuous
membership for over 15 years, instead of broken membership of around 12
years.
As I say, I think it is purely psychological, they still feel part of the
community, even when they suspend their lists while on holiday, whilst
quiting the list, is well, quiting... It doesn't matter whether the list
actually deletes and the re-inserts your membership in the list, the user
himself feels he has only paused the receiving of mails.
(Man, I've been living in Germany too long, had to get my dictionary out look
up what es ist Egal means in English! :-P)
Dave
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Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 20:16 schrieb jdd: Michael Loeffler wrote: The en page is the reference page. And of course we are intersted in french speaking people and asked jdd already (I guess 2-3 hours ago) ?? not received, may be in my spam box :-( anyway I did the translation. oops, maybe because i pasted the wiki code directly in the mail ... ... anyway, thanks! -- with kind regards, -- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- simply change to www.suse.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 05:13 AM 15/02/2006, you wrote: Wasn't sure whether to put this on the general opensuse or the wiki mailing list... ?wiki mailing list details please thanks scsijon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday, 14. February 2006 21:54, Peter Flodin wrote: Some things that I think needs to change. 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive. 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page. It's a wiki. You can add and blow them up to more than one line, you know? Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday, 14. February 2006 19:13, David Wright wrote: Anyway, there have been a few major changes to the beta release of 10.1 in [..] Having the information available buried in the archives of the mailing list which doesn't have a search function is not exactly helpful for casual users or thise interested in trying out SUSE, they come to the site and see next to no information on what is going on. You should really visit http://opensuse.org before posting I think, there is a news box on the front page, there is a news page - both pointing to a sum- mary of the changes you're complaining not being visible to casual users. Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 10:06 schrieb Stephan Binner: On Tuesday, 14. February 2006 19:13, David Wright wrote: Anyway, there have been a few major changes to the beta release of 10.1 in [..] Having the information available buried in the archives of the mailing list which doesn't have a search function is not exactly helpful for casual users or thise interested in trying out SUSE, they come to the site and see next to no information on what is going on. You should really visit http://opensuse.org before posting I think, there is a news box on the front page, there is a news page - both pointing to a sum- mary of the changes you're complaining not being visible to casual users. Bye, Steve What is pointed to is a couple of lines about the KPM being available for non-GPL Kernel drivers to be converted to the new method. For driver writers already familiar with the situation it is a good pointer of where to go to find out how to write compliant drivers, for the average user it just raises a hell of a lot more questions than it answers... Leading to the FUD we are seeing, like the AVM discussion on the Factory list. It does not provide detailed information about what is changing (i.e. what exactly does it mean in terms of what the end user ends up with after an upgrade, will the packages be optionally available through the package manager, or are Novell throwing away the goodwill of existing users by making them trawl the net for replacements for things that used to be automatically configured?), why it is changing, what the current situation is in regard to the involvement of manufacturers re-writing their drivers to support the new method and what fallback plans Novell/openSUSE have if the drivers don't appear in time, so that users aren't stuck with broken installations after an upgrade. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stephan Binner wrote: You should really visit http://opensuse.org before posting I think, there is a news box on the front page, there is a news page - both pointing to a sum- mary of the changes you're complaining not being visible to casual users. but it's ratehr new, may be set after the previous posting :-). and it's a hand written add, on a protected page (not anybody can write this one). there should also be a way to keep the other languages main pages up. I don't really know how. on the fr one I set up a french speaking event with fosdem, but not on the front page (I can, but wonder exactly what to do) I noticed on alionet (forum) some suse infos (french new Novell People) - should be nice if I could have such info? is thgere a way for me to have a line from Novell France? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:55:17AM +0100, David Wright wrote: What is pointed to is a couple of lines about the KPM being available for non-GPL Kernel drivers to be converted to the new method. For driver writers already familiar with the situation it is a good pointer of where to go to find out how to write compliant drivers, for the average user it just raises a hell of a lot more questions than it answers... Leading to the FUD we are seeing, like the AVM discussion on the Factory list. I agree that comunication should be better. However the amount of detail you want might be a bit over the top. First and formost the people should concentrate building SUSE. Then the postings about AVM. Untill will AVM respond and starts anwering questions and accept the offerd help, I connsider the posting somewhere between trolling and blackmail. Not sure wich one of the two is worse. It is the second mail and he just drops them in and then disapears. snip frustration about the absence of detailed information Please give them time to grow accustomed to this openness and give them time to respond. houghi -- Two can Live as Cheaply as One for Half as Long. -- Howard Kandel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just went to www.Novell.fr and see... the fabulous SUSE Linux 9.3 :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:54:30PM +0100, jdd wrote: I just went to www.Novell.fr and see... the fabulous SUSE Linux 9.3 :-( Also when you type suse.fr as adress: http://www.novell.com/fr-fr/linux/suse/ SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 Obtenir des informations sur le produit, son support et son téléchargement. Below that advertisement in English and links to en.openSUSE.org and not fr.openSUSE.org Strange also that the FOSDEM is on the en and not on the fr one. As if they don't welcome the French speaking people in Brussels. :-/ Don't get me wrong, I understand the enourmous undertaking of keeping a website available in several languages. houghi -- Although golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight Protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Barry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 15 February 2006 13:20, houghi wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:54:30PM +0100, jdd wrote: I just went to www.Novell.fr and see... the fabulous SUSE Linux 9.3 :-( Also when you type suse.fr as adress: http://www.novell.com/fr-fr/linux/suse/ SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 Obtenir des informations sur le produit, son support et son téléchargement. Uuups, obviously its outdated on fr, it's correct on de and en pages. I'll make request to our web team that they change it. Thanks Below that advertisement in English and links to en.openSUSE.org and not fr.openSUSE.org I am happy atm that there is an ad. And this page was set up when we haven't had fr.opensuse.org ;-) Strange also that the FOSDEM is on the en and not on the fr one. As if they don't welcome the French speaking people in Brussels. :-/ The en page is the reference page. And of course we are intersted in french speaking people and asked jdd already (I guess 2-3 hours ago) if he could translate the page and set this up. Don't get me wrong, I understand the enourmous undertaking of keeping a website available in several languages. Yes, there is improvement needed. Michael houghi -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nuremberg Phone: +49 911 74053-376 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell BrainShare 2006 - Open for Growth Bringing the world together at one location Register at http://www.novell.com/brainshare - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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houghi wrote: Don't get me wrong, I understand the enourmous undertaking of keeping a website available in several languages. I made it here: http://fr.opensuse.org/Ev%C3%A9nements as the main page layout is still in discussion, I don't like too much to edit it, and had not yet had time to translate the new en page jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Op dinsdag 14 februari 2006 21:54, schreef Peter Flodin: Some things that I think needs to change. 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive. 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page. 3. The page should be included into the design of the front page. 4. The News page should be available via RSS, with free usage terms. ie allow anybody to do anything with the RSS. Or just create a suse blog. Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in the wiki front page. Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss feed into *planet* sides. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Flodin escribió: Some things that I think needs to change. 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive. 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page. 3. The page should be included into the design of the front page. 4. The News page should be available via RSS, with free usage terms. ie allow anybody to do anything with the RSS. Hi all: Everything what is to give information to people I believe that in principle that information is good.If in addition occurs of ordered form, I believe that it is better and people take more advantage of this. Thanks for the great work that make all those that to approach linux, and suse in this case, to people in general. - -- Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 Linux 2.6.15-git12-6-smp #1 SMP Tue Jan 17 14:22:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD8kla65SpD7GhbzoRAhnCAJ4+HMLZthTwxFHDt72yhLU9mYpLpACggZ6g ubKqUAgUqWmn2go33gKeGYI= =fTjI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Or just create a suse blog. Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in the wiki front page. Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss feed into *planet* sides. Do we have a planet then? ;) Any SUSE staffers who want to get blogging and help the planet - drop me a line! -- James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Packages for SUSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Make Poverty History: http://makepovertyhistory.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 14 February 2006 16:32, James Ogley wrote: Or just create a suse blog. Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in the wiki front page. Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss feed into *planet* sides. Do we have a planet then? ;) Any SUSE staffers who want to get blogging and help the planet - drop me a line! http://www.planetsuse.org Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/15/06, Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op dinsdag 14 februari 2006 21:54, schreef Peter Flodin: Some things that I think needs to change. 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive. 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page. 3. The page should be included into the design of the front page. 4. The News page should be available via RSS, with free usage terms. ie allow anybody to do anything with the RSS. Or just create a suse blog. Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in the wiki front page. Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss feed into *planet* sides. Well 4. could be done by inserting an RSS feed into the wiki, there are Wikimedia Extensions that claim to do that http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/extensions/rss/ And Novell already has an official company blog, so creating another one shouldn't be a big issue. This means that the openSUSE Blog would be the prime news vehicle, and RSS feed onto the front page of the wiki and elsewhere, it would be nice if it could automatically cc: the opensuse-announce list, as we know from earlier discussions that some people are sensitive about anything that potentially upsets their mailing list usage. Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
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Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 22:07 schrieb Richard Bos: Op dinsdag 14 februari 2006 21:54, schreef Peter Flodin: Some things that I think needs to change. 1. All opensuse-announcements should be on the OpenSUSE News wiki page. Not just a one liner with a link to the mailing list archive. 2. A selection of other news worthy items should also go on this page. 3. The page should be included into the design of the front page. 4. The News page should be available via RSS, with free usage terms. ie allow anybody to do anything with the RSS. Or just create a suse blog. Fits all 4 points above except the inclusion in the wiki front page. Bug making it a blog, makes it easy to include the rss feed into *planet* sides. I don't mind it being blogged, but the information provided, especially things like the change in the Kernel drivers and the package manager, need to be carefully thought out professionally presented with fully rounded information covering all aspects of the change, its implications etc. This could be done in a blog, but such statements of change in policy etc. and major changes in direction need to be carefully worded and they need to be official. I have seen some very professionally produced blogs and I've seen a lot of rambling garbage that could, maybe, have important information buried somewhere... Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
