Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup worked once on 10.3
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:00:58 +1030 Rodney Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:22:18 GR wrote: I've got a Dell Laptop with Broadcomm 4300 wireless card in it. The very first time I setup wireless, I installed the firmware as per instructions on the web. I managed to connect to my wireless lan (802.11g, hidden SSID, WPA-2 encryption) fine with KNetworkManager. However, since that one and only time, I've never been able to connect to my wireless LAN again. KNetworkManager keeps on telling me that it's found a new wireless network (*MY* wireless network) but I can't connect to it. Can anyone suggest what I need to do to get this working again (or at least switch on some debgugging so I can see where it's going wrong) ? I'm running 32bit 10.3, up-to-date with patches. Thanks, GR I had exactly the same problem using KNetworkManager with a Broadcom card (bcm4318). After fighting with it for too long, I dumped KNetworkManager and went back to using the legacy ifup method. Worked faultlessly ever since. It seems to me that the only reason for KNetworkManager is if you need to roam between wireless networks (e.g. using public hot-spots or work/home situations). Where you're only using one wireless network ifup seems to be much more reliable, at least with the Broadcom chipsets. Cheers, Rodney. Ok... at the risk of getting scolded again for suggesting this, I've got a Dell Inspiron (AMD 64 Athlon X2) with the Broadcom wireless chipset using the bcm43xx drivers. This chipset has native support in Suse 10.3, however not native enough to work out of the box. So, following experience gained while using Fedora Core 7 on an older Dell Inspiron I went to the trusted ndiswrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/ OpenSUSE ndiswrapper info http://software.opensuse.org/search {keyword: ndiswrapper} Be sure to do as much reading about how to setup and use this, because it will definitely benefit you later the more you know about how to use this tool. Below is the script I use to initialize my wireless using ndiswrapper: #!/bin/sh echo 'Starting Home WLAN' /sbin/modprobe -r bcm43xx echo 'Setting Dependency Mod...' /sbin/depmod -a echo 'Mod Probing ndiswrapper...' /sbin/modprobe ndiswrapper #echo 'Scanning For All Wireless LAN Access Points...' #/sbin/iwlist eth1 scan echo 'Setting Specific Wireless Network Access Point...' /usr/sbin/iwconfig eth1 essid your WAP essid #echo 'Scanning For Specific Access Point...' #/usr/sbin/iwlist eth1 scan echo 'Setting Wireless LAN To Managed Mode...' /usr/sbin/iwconfig eth1 mode Managed echo 'Setting WEP Encryption Key...' /usr/sbin/iwconfig eth1 key restricted insert your wep key here echo 'Setting Specific Wireless Network Access Point...' /usr/sbin/iwconfig eth1 essid DeltaFlyer echo 'Bring Up Wireless LAN Interface...' #/sbin/ifconfig eth1 up /sbin/dhclient eth1 #/sbin/dhcpcd eth1 - -- Mark Drunkenness is not an excuse for stupidity. If you're stupid when you're sober then that's one thing, but if you're sober when you're stupid, then you're just plain stupid! == Powered by CentOS5 (RHEL5) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup worked once on 10.3
On Wednesday 02 January 2008 4:18 pm Carlos F. Lange wrote: Another annoying behaviour is that KNetworkManager sometimes does not see my home network nor the neighbour's, only some default (we broadcast the SSID). I tried to wait a little to see if my network was not announcing itself immediately, but no luck. After switching to Windows to verify that the signal was good and coming back, KNetworkManager saw all the networks and connected right at the 2nd try. Carlos, I have the same wifi card on two machines. Similar problem to yours, It appears the card is not being powered on by the LInux drivers setup. Booting to xp allows the card to be powered up as evident by the little lite on the laptop. Have you checked your var/log/messages? Also look at var/log/NetworkManager. Whenever mine fails the message in this one says activation of the card failed. Another thing that might make a difference is to disable the Ipv6 stuff. I eventually gave up and started using a usb wireless with 10db antenna. It uses the Zydas ZD1211 firmware provided by suse. I figured we shouldn't have to reboot to windows to restart the darned network card. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 23 April 2007 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark Hi Clark, My bad, I am using 10.2 32bit version with 32bit version ndiswrapper-1.37 Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What XP driver are you using with ndiswrapper? Clark I am using Compaq's driver labeled SP30382A. It's the one on thier website for this machine. Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you using bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys? Sorry... I replied to you personally.. Damn windows app.. So for the list, this is my reply. You bet! But I can't seem to connect to any wireless device. Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:09:35 -0400 Phil Savoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. On SuSE 10.2 there is a wireless driver, from memory, it is bcm43xx.ko. It requires the firmware. To extract the firmware from a Windows bcmwl5.sys file, and place the firmware into /lib/firmware. The Wireless on my laptop has been working perfectly. Prior to that I did use ndiswrapper because fwcutter didn't like the version of bcmwl5.sys that I had. I did at one time post the exact steps you need to run ndiswrapper (get it from the SuSE RPM supplied with your distro). My laptop is an AMD64. -- Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
Jerry Feldman wrote: On SuSE 10.2 there is a wireless driver, from memory, it is bcm43xx.ko. It requires the firmware. To extract the firmware from a Windows bcmwl5.sys file, and place the firmware into /lib/firmware. http://www.root-forum.org/downloads/openSUSE_10.2/WLAN/noarch/bcm43xx-firmware-1-0.noarch.rpm Thx Jan Files included: lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval01.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval02.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval03.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval04.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval05.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval06.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval07.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval08.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval09.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_initval10.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode11.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode2.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode4.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode5.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_pcm4.fw /lib/firmware/bcm43xx_pcm5.fw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
On Monday 23 April 2007 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark Hi Clark, My bad, I am using 10.2 32bit version with 32bit version ndiswrapper-1.37 Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
On Monday 23 April 2007 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark Hi Clark, My bad, I am using 10.2 32bit version with 32bit version ndiswrapper-1.37 Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What XP driver are you using with ndiswrapper? Clark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 23 April 2007 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark Hi Clark, My bad, I am using 10.2 32bit version with 32bit version ndiswrapper-1.37 Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What XP driver are you using with ndiswrapper? Clark I am using Compaq's driver labeled SP30382A. It's the one on thier website for this machine. Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless Setup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 23 April 2007 09:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to setup wireless for my Compaq R3000 AMD notebook. I have tried using ndiswrappers but have been unsuccessful. Would anyone know how to do this in a real easy step by step way? It has a Broadcom 43xx mini pci card in it. Any help would really be apprecia as I am stuck in a hotel with only wireless and am forced to use windows to send this out. Thank you in advance, Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What version of SuSE are you using? What version of ndiswrapper did you try? 32 or 64 bit? Clark Hi Clark, My bad, I am using 10.2 32bit version with 32bit version ndiswrapper-1.37 Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What XP driver are you using with ndiswrapper? Clark I am using Compaq's driver labeled SP30382A. It's the one on thier website for this machine. Phil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you using bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Koenraad Lelong schreef: Russell Jones schreef: You could look at kismet http://www.kismetwireless.net/ , wellenreiter http://sourceforge.net/projects/wellenreiter/ and if you're feeling flush, wi-spy http://www.metageek.net/ ... Thanks for all suggestions. Since I think I could use that wi-spy on other occasions I'm going to buy that. I'll report back (if you don't mind). Hi all, This is my first report ;-). I found that in my house I have three peaks that are more or less blocking all channels except for channel 1 and maybe 13 (for 802.11g anyway). Anyone interested in a picture can have one ;-). I don't know where those peaks come from, maybe the detectors of the alarm system. I set my AP to channel 1, and WinXP seems not to have a problem connecting. Suse10.1 on the same laptop (dual boot) can't connect : it times out after 60 seconds, as seen in Networkmanagers' logfile. Is there an easy way to lengthen that time-out, to try ? -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong RD Manager ACE electronics n.v. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Hey Bill, I personally miss the PCMCIA cards that allowed the antenna to be vertically polarized. To overcome this shortcoming, I wrap the cardboard core of a toilet paper role with tinfoil, and set stand it next to the Cool idea, do you have a picture of that, because I'm not sure if i did understand the breadboard construction correctly. wifi antenna. It does give a small signal boost, because the tube is almost a perfect 1/4 wave length antenna. If I really want distance, I use a wireless card that has an external antenna. There are some really cool external antennas that provide significant signal gain. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Patrick Kirsch wrote: Hey Bill, I personally miss the PCMCIA cards that allowed the antenna to be vertically polarized. To overcome this shortcoming, I wrap the cardboard core of a toilet paper role with tinfoil, and set stand it next to the Cool idea, do you have a picture of that, because I'm not sure if i did understand the breadboard construction correctly. wifi antenna. It does give a small signal boost, because the tube is almost a perfect 1/4 wave length antenna. If I really want distance, I use a wireless card that has an external antenna. There are some really cool external antennas that provide significant signal gain. Patrick Not a whole lot of breading boarding, no wires and only two components. Take one cardboard toilet paper tube (sans toilet paper), and wrap with aluminum foil. Stand tube vertically next to the PCMCIA card. The tube will give a small signal boost by acting as a collector. If you want some interesting stares, try asking for the components from a hotel staff. Bill Anderson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
On Tuesday January 23 2007 10:35 am, Russell Jones wrote: You could look at kismet http://www.kismetwireless.net/ , wellenreiter http://sourceforge.net/projects/wellenreiter/ and if you're feeling flush, wi-spy http://www.metageek.net/ 'Can get Kismet via a smart update. ;) Fred -- MickySoft, the ultimate corporate parasite. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Russell Jones schreef: You could look at kismet http://www.kismetwireless.net/ , wellenreiter http://sourceforge.net/projects/wellenreiter/ and if you're feeling flush, wi-spy http://www.metageek.net/ ... Thanks for all suggestions. Since I think I could use that wi-spy on other occasions I'm going to buy that. I'll report back (if you don't mind). -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong RD Manager ACE electronics n.v. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Koenraad Lelong wrote: Sorry for the off-topic post, but I don't know where to ask, so any pointers are welcome. At home I'm trying to set up a wireless accesspoint (connected to a Suse sever, that's why I ask here ;-) ). If the accesspoint is placed inside the house it's impossible to get access to it. I tried with two different products (Linksys and D-Link). Those accesspoints do work fine elsewhere, even in my gagage, which is a different building than my home, max. 20m away, but from inside my home I can't connect. I tried all channels, with no luck. So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. Do you have a cordless phone? A lot of them are in that band and will interfere. We had to buy a new cordless in a higher band. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Hey, So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. Do you have a cordless phone? A lot of them are in that band and will interfere. We had to buy a new cordless in a higher band. Yes, DECT should use the band from 1880 MHz to 1900 MHz, but ETSI allows 2400–2480 MHz which can cause trouble. If your wlan router and your wlan cards allows you to choose channel 14 (normally available in Japan) then you have a good chance that they are not overlapping. I'm not sure if this helps, but you can also adjust the burst-rate at the wlan-router. Furthermore it helps to look for other radio-emitting (phone, microwave, ham radio) devices that stand closely to each other (to the wlan router). Try to place them at least 12,5cm away from each other. A next good guess would be to look what objects are standing close to the wlan router, because of reflection, refraction and interference it is possible that the transmission waves are razed. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Patrick Kirsch schreef: Hey, So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. Do you have a cordless phone? A lot of them are in that band and will interfere. We had to buy a new cordless in a higher band. Yes, DECT should use the band from 1880 MHz to 1900 MHz, but ETSI allows 2400–2480 MHz which can cause trouble. If your wlan router and your wlan cards allows you to choose channel 14 (normally available in Japan) then you have a good chance that they are not overlapping. I'm not sure if this helps, but you can also adjust the burst-rate at the wlan-router. Furthermore it helps to look for other radio-emitting (phone, microwave, ham radio) devices that stand closely to each other (to the wlan router). Try to place them at least 12,5cm away from each other. A next good guess would be to look what objects are standing close to the wlan router, because of reflection, refraction and interference it is possible that the transmission waves are razed. Patrick Thanks for those suggestions, but besides some cell-phones (not near laptor or accesspoint) we don't have any wireless (radio) devices, and the microwave oven is meters away and inactive at most of the times of my tests. I'll look at the burst rate and give it a try. I tried at least five different locations in the house but except for one these were on or in open wooden closets, next to a wall. The other one was on the table max. 1 meter away from my laptop. I'll try on a different table farther away. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Koenraad Lelong RD Manager ACE electronics n.v. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Koenraad Lelong wrote: Sorry for the off-topic post, but I don't know where to ask, so any pointers are welcome. At home I'm trying to set up a wireless accesspoint (connected to a Suse sever, that's why I ask here ;-) ). If the accesspoint is placed inside the house it's impossible to get access to it. I tried with two different products (Linksys and D-Link). Those accesspoints do work fine elsewhere, even in my gagage, which is a different building than my home, max. 20m away, but from inside my home I can't connect. I tried all channels, with no luck. So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. This is a radio isssue, not SUSE. Given that you've tried different gear and it works in most other locations, the only conclusion is there's something in your house blocking the signal. If so, no WiFi equipment or operating system will make any difference. What is your house made of? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You could look at kismet http://www.kismetwireless.net/ , wellenreiter http://sourceforge.net/projects/wellenreiter/ and if you're feeling flush, wi-spy http://www.metageek.net/ Russell Jones Koenraad Lelong wrote: Sorry for the off-topic post, but I don't know where to ask, so any pointers are welcome. At home I'm trying to set up a wireless accesspoint (connected to a Suse sever, that's why I ask here ;-) ). If the accesspoint is placed inside the house it's impossible to get access to it. I tried with two different products (Linksys and D-Link). Those accesspoints do work fine elsewhere, even in my gagage, which is a different building than my home, max. 20m away, but from inside my home I can't connect. I tried all channels, with no luck. So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Koenraad Lelong wrote: Thanks for those suggestions, but besides some cell-phones (not near laptor or accesspoint) we don't have any wireless (radio) devices, and the microwave oven is meters away and inactive at most of the times of my tests. I'll look at the burst rate and give it a try. I tried at least five different locations in the house but except for one these were on or in open wooden closets, next to a wall. The other one was on the table max. 1 meter away from my laptop. I'll try on a different table farther away. How high is your router/access point located? In our computer room we had the router on a cabinet up right at the ceiling. Getting a connection on our laptop on a TV tray right below it was nearly impossible. Move to the other room and it connected just fine. Lowered the router and end of problem. Just a thought. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless setup [OT]
Koenraad Lelong wrote: Patrick Kirsch schreef: Hey, So, has anyone of you some hints what to try next to get connected ? P.S. as far as I know there are no other transmitters in that band (2.4GHz ?) at home. Do you have a cordless phone? A lot of them are in that band and will interfere. We had to buy a new cordless in a higher band. Yes, DECT should use the band from 1880 MHz to 1900 MHz, but ETSI allows 2400–2480 MHz which can cause trouble. If your wlan router and your wlan cards allows you to choose channel 14 (normally available in Japan) then you have a good chance that they are not overlapping. I'm not sure if this helps, but you can also adjust the burst-rate at the wlan-router. Furthermore it helps to look for other radio-emitting (phone, microwave, ham radio) devices that stand closely to each other (to the wlan router). Try to place them at least 12,5cm away from each other. A next good guess would be to look what objects are standing close to the wlan router, because of reflection, refraction and interference it is possible that the transmission waves are razed. Patrick Thanks for those suggestions, but besides some cell-phones (not near laptor or accesspoint) we don't have any wireless (radio) devices, and the microwave oven is meters away and inactive at most of the times of my tests. I'll look at the burst rate and give it a try. I tried at least five different locations in the house but except for one these were on or in open wooden closets, next to a wall. The other one was on the table max. 1 meter away from my laptop. I'll try on a different table farther away. Do not forget your neighbors. -- Joseph Loo [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]