Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Volker Kuhlmann escribió: > http://www.phpprobid.com/auction-script-requirements.php if it says PHP4 in the requirements does not mean it does not work with PHP5. ;) > And I'd be swearing at the php people for a lousy language design > which doesn't stay compatible with itself it **is** compatible, but have certain backward incompatible things. > My personal preference is still mv PHP /dev/null. I know someone who > isn't having php on his server anymore because of the astronomical grief > it caused. Does .asp cause less trouble? languages change from time to time, this is not exclusive of PHP ( look python 2.5 f.e) it is more common to see this rants on PHP because is more popular and widely deployed.. I perfectly understand the problems this arise because I have made profit^W^Wsuffered :-) with this issue too ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
On Sun 13 May 2007 09:16:09 NZST +1200, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: > 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every > aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. Nice theory. In practice I think I understand what Stephan is talking about. Suppose your boss decides it's time to use http://www.phpprobid.com/auction-script-requirements.php or your customers decide to do the same, you have Stephan's situation: someone decides to use a piece of junk, and it's your job to make it work. No it won't work with php 5 (or mysql 5). Whichever way you look, you're stuffed. You said fix the script? Good luck when you're only having half the source, very common I take it with this zend smokescreen. I'd probably install SUSE 10.0 and hope that nothing else will require 10.1+. And I'd be swearing at the php people for a lousy language design which doesn't stay compatible with itself (Visual Basic is better than that?), and be annoyed with every lemming using it, thus forcing it down my throat as well (indirectly). Fortunately I don't have that job atm. My personal preference is still mv PHP /dev/null. I know someone who isn't having php on his server anymore because of the astronomical grief it caused. Does .asp cause less trouble? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 00:02 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote: Please, trim extra text from the emails. > > > Hi, it would be nice to have an SSH Key Agent on KDE, like > > > "Ksshaskpass" (http://hanz.nl/p/program). I make extensive use of > > > Putty Pageant at the office just for this... > > > > There is ssh-agent > > > Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet > in KDE to add/delete the keys Yes and no. In my ~/.xsession I see: # # If ssh is configured and ssh-agent is wanted set "yes" # usessh="no" If it is set yo yes you would get it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRk3ytTMYHG2NR9URApl2AJ9KJ4sKja9+KET7PiPHYz+1FrLEPwCeM2Fq iWNa5Mnsy9pEJ2AZ6kRpRKU= =GAFS -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-05-12 at 16:32 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > On Sat 12 May 2007 16:02:42 NZST +1200, Ciro Iriarte wrote: > > > Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet > > in KDE to add/delete the keys > > kgpg > > Note key management is done with gpg, reading passphrases from the user > with gpg-agent, No, we are talking of ssh-agent, not gpg-agent here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGRkz1tTMYHG2NR9URAisMAKCWBK7THzwpt1LtxSKrtOrhLheR/gCeOxqd UPfjt/z84qtT1fFRhGBBrqc= =iuK7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] PHP - tales from the crypt
Stephan von Krawczynski escribió: > And the reason I am forwarding this as a last point to aj is that I am deeply > concerned about the ongoings. Whenever I experienced situations like this they > did not survive. With "situations like this" I explicitely mean people not > listening and acting like being Jesus in terms of knowing everything or most > of it and therefore stopped questioning their own work. And this is caused by the fact that this list sometimes have people like you that : 1. have a problem. 2. Do not describe the exact problem and asks meta questions. 3. want to rant and blame others for their own problems. 4. does not want to move their asses to contribute a solution for the problem, instead they want other people to fix the problem for them. 5. resist to understand that distributions needs to move on in every aspect. and that usually means that legacy software should be removed. 6. they fail to figure the rest of the world is doing the same thing and what is really wrong is their own stuff. > I listened to Cristian saying that he will for sure remove > all PHP4 stuff around beginning next year. Sorry to say that, but he hasn't > even understood the basics of the whole community which is that you do not > delete already done work, In the same pharagraph you talked about Ubuntu, well Ubuntu has already deleted PHP4 from their repositories and was unsupported in the last **3 releases**, so your argumentation is bogus, also is not about deleting already done work. is a about wasting countless hours of my/our time mantaining a dying beast. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse-factory] Audacity replacement
Audacity disapeared from the repositories; what audio editor is the replacement for Audacity? Thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
Here're the minutes from the last meeting, Andreas * dbus restart Restarting of d-bus needs special handling in every package, otherwise they might crash. Upstream d-bus maintainer currently say that d-bus should not get restarted. The long-term goal is that all applications and services should handle d-bus restarts gracefully. For the short term, we will advice the user to reboot the system and not automatically restart d-bus during package updates. * Moving d-bus to / This is need for some potential changes in hal. Since we did not have enough details, we decided to stay for now with the default and rediscuss when needed. * Shared library policy see: http://en.opensuse.org/Shared_Library_Packaging_Policy If nobody raises objections, we'll move forward with it and add it to the packagers manual. Note: This is not enforced for existing packages. It should be done for major updates and must be done for new package submissions. AI: everybody to read and comment on opensuse-packaging mailing list. * Improve debuginfo packages To get a complete stack trace, we need several debuginfo packages. The simple idea would be to copy dependencies from the main package to the debuginfo package. But this would give too many dependencies since it would lead to include always the gcc-debuginfo package (currently 300 MB). Another idea is to reduce the size of debuginfo packages and mark them only for backtrace - with removing the source code. We run out of time and will discuss this further next time. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpRqCylEi5P0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hans Witvliet wrote: [...] > Some time ago, i came across a very nice tutorial (some hundred pages) > how to build your own yast(2) applets, and the the main example that the > SuSE-engineer was using, was the management of SSH !! > > AFAIR, from FOSDEM-2006, the intention was to include it into the > mainstream distro, but i guess other projects have a higher priority! > > I keep the printed tutorial at work ;(. So i can't give you the exact > URL but perhaps might another kind soul give you the exact location. Indeed, Stefan Hundhammer gave a session about writing YaST2 modules at FOSDEM 2006. Slides/videos: http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2006 http://www.suse.de/~sh/fosdem-2006/ycp-tutorial/ Small video (Ogg/Theora): http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/FOSDEM/2006/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_small.ogg Large video (Ogg/Theora, high quality): http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/FOSDEM/2006/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_full.ogg As a side note, slides and videos from the openSUSE developer room at FOSDEM 2007 are linked directly on the fosdem.org site: http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/opensuse cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRbvpr3NMWliFcXcRAsetAKCj1eVLRgsGtQxj5eskX9pHaffcRwCgvRIu H119Je33P6jO8Ws58KiWo8w= =9SO0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 3M's src TWDrv.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger schreef: > "M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [...] >>> Good Afternoon: >>> I think the kernel that you are using made devfs obsolete in favor of using >>> udev. Our driver compiles with devfs, but I have attached a document with >>> some suggested changes to get around this probelm > > devfs is not part of the official Linux since quite some time :-( > > Andreas Thnx, this is the answer i was waiting for(but not realy:-( Only thing i found out is that Damir Suljic, who is, or was working for 3M wrote the linux part of the driver... http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0501.3/0836.html is one of the 2 posts i found.. but i do not know an e-mail addres, to write to him directly..(these kind of things realy suck, not to be able to talk to the people who are responsible directly..like dead-ends..) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRbpJX5/X5X6LpDgRAmP7AJ9FlSJZNQrun1OK/ZJFUG0vfTmxgQCfZJUj MJMDzCr239OClufJEE3nEU0= =fpRQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Add to wishlist (SSH)
On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 16:32 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > On Sat 12 May 2007 16:02:42 NZST +1200, Ciro Iriarte wrote: > > > Isn't that just for commandline?, it would be nice to have an applet > > in KDE to add/delete the keys Hi list, Some time ago, i came across a very nice tutorial (some hundred pages) how to build your own yast(2) applets, and the the main example that the SuSE-engineer was using, was the management of SSH !! AFAIR, from FOSDEM-2006, the intention was to include it into the mainstream distro, but i guess other projects have a higher priority! I keep the printed tutorial at work ;(. So i can't give you the exact URL but perhaps might another kind soul give you the exact location. HW -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server
Op Saturday 12 May 2007 11:41:28 schreef Alexey Eremenko: > I think besides Zimbra and Kolab there is: Courier that is both > email-server/email-client/HTTP server for emails. And?? Courier on its own does not provide a groupware solution, that is what zimbra and kolab do. If you like, it would be possible to swap cyrus for courier in the kolab solution. -- Richard Bos We are borrowing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 3M's src TWDrv.
"M9." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] >> Good Afternoon: >> I think the kernel that you are using made devfs obsolete in favor of using >> udev. Our driver compiles with devfs, but I have attached a document with >> some suggested changes to get around this probelm devfs is not part of the official Linux since quite some time :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpYsuPnR8gtY.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] 3M's src TWDrv.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, (No answer for the call for GPL and getting the driver in the official kernel...yet...) But as it is very dangerous, and also very difficullt, to use a mouse in a car..(while driving), i tried to build the suggested driver for 'specific' kernel.. Helas, it did not build. So i wrote to 3M about it: [snip] > + rm -rf /var/tmp/TWDrv-5.64-root > + KVER=2.6.18.8-0.3-default > + export KVER > + cd TwDrvKit > + make clean > + make > make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-0.3-default/build > SUBDIRS=/usr/src/packages/BUILD/TWDrv-5.64/TwDrvKit modules > make[2]: *** Er is geen regel om doel 'modules' te maken. Gestopt. > make[1]: *** [default] Fout 2 > make: *** [makeit] Fout 2 > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81539 (%build) > > > RPM build errors: >Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81539 (%build) > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/packages/SPECS> cd '/usr/src/packages/SPECS' > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/packages/SPECS> > > is there something i can do about it? > Despite the fact that it is not a GPL-licenced driver, i still need it, > because it is very dangerous, and difficult, to use a mouse in a car. > > tia, for the trouble and attention needed to answer my question. Possible reason, according to an associate from 3M, jgmciver: > Good Afternoon: > I think the kernel that you are using made devfs obsolete in favor of using > udev. Our driver compiles with devfs, but I have attached a document with > some suggested changes to get around this probelm > > > Thank you, Technical Support > 3M Touch Systems, Methuen > 978-659-9200 Helas, the document attached, did not contain a solution for this problem.. The Kernel indeed uses udev, if i recall correct.. But if so, is there something to be done about it, to get the driver built? Or, as TWDrv, is indeed a proprietary driver, this can only be fixed by its maintainer?. (i would realy hate it, to have to go back M$, to have a working touchscreen..:-( (In my reply I asked for the reason not to want a GPL for the driver, and told him about the miljons of people all over the world, that would be happy, if they could use a touchscreen under linux, which would be possible, when the driver would be in the official kernel... ) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRZx0X5/X5X6LpDgRArJHAKCOFXRniSFOF8dUTzi2u7Nad/CbMwCdGPY9 vv3qL4/wmKTIHz3AYxINmoA= =N1vz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-packaging] Should we evaluate Zimbra ? - a next-gen Mail Server
I think besides Zimbra and Kolab there is: Courier that is both email-server/email-client/HTTP server for emails. http://www.courier-mta.org/intro.html I see no screenshots of it. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] New X86_64 and java/jre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Donn Washburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 22:32]: [...] >> Or can I just try it with a "--nodeps" argument No, definitely don't. Dependencies are there for a reason, not just to annoy you. > You are welcome to "break" your system, if you wish. But why don't > you use an rpm build for openSUSE systems and do away with all the > hassle? > http://software.opensuse.org/download/OpenOffice.org/ Indeed. I would also strongly recommend to use the RPM packages for SUSE that are in the above mentioned repository. Add that URL to your installation sources in YaST2, and install with YaST2. And OpenOffice.org 2.2 will be in that repository soon: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=273077 cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRXL3r3NMWliFcXcRAn2sAKCkfv5KpmbOSI6N/0wXrCrbtXrPhQCfeVoB oEisubH3HaeQoSjbWsZxtxE= =fe3i -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
