RE: changing the datbase server name and IP number

2001-03-26 Thread Mark Leith

You may also need to indclude sqlnet.ora as well.

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As long as you are keeping the DB_NAME's the same you should be able to get
by with changing the listener.ora and tnsnames.ora files.  You will also
need
to change your global tnsnames or Onames server references to these db's.

On Friday 23 March 2001 11:30, you wrote:
 We are setting up a new database server.  It's HP-UX 11.0.  Oracle 7.3.4
(I
 know, we need to upgrade !) has already been installed and configured on
 it. Databases have been built and are in use for testing.  In a couple of
 weeks, we'll be exporting the production database from our old server and
 importing it to the new machine.  Sometime during this process, we'd like
 to rename the new machine to have the same name as our old production
 server.  At the same time, the IP number will be changed.  The goal is to
 make the new production machine have the same name and IP number as the
old
 production machine.  Since Oracle has already been installed on the new
 server, and it already has test databases on it, what will need to change
 Oracle-wise when the host machine name and IP number change ?

 Thanks for any information you can share!

 Judy Hazeley
 Millersville University
 Millersville, PA
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Re: Best Practice ?

2001-03-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan

Hi !

It all depends on your OPTIMIZER_MODE. I guess you
will be using CHOOSE and if that is the case I would recommend
analyzing the tables indexes (or ANALYZE_SCHEMA) for
+ or - 10 % change.










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 For Analyze of Tables on a Oracle 817 Database on Cluster with OPS ?

 Should the Tables be Analyzed OR Not ?

 This is a Application with More OLTP than Batch ( Banking Product )



 
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Re: Connect internal password ?

2001-03-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan

Associate that second user to the 'dba' unix group.










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 Hi guys,

 (WITH SOLARIS 7 and ORACLE 8.1.6)

 After I create a new user that can access SVRMGRL and with user .profile
 updated, this user cannot connect internal - SVRMGRL ask for password,
 the most strange is that when I create my second user there is no such
 problem (first one is the DBA for oracle installation).
 There is no proble with the .profile because I do "copyt and paste"

 I heard that orapwd able to solve this problem, what is the file for ? and
 is that all other users have that kind of file and where Oracle store it ?


 Thank you for your time,


 Sinardy


 
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RE: Connect internal password ?

2001-03-26 Thread Sinardy Xing

I try to restrict other user from accessing other than sqlplus, by creating
new group for them and inside my
/appl/Oracle8i/bin/bla bla bla   rwxrw-
so i can not mix those with dba group do you have any sugestion?



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Associate that second user to the 'dba' unix group.










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 Hi guys,

 (WITH SOLARIS 7 and ORACLE 8.1.6)

 After I create a new user that can access SVRMGRL and with user .profile
 updated, this user cannot connect internal - SVRMGRL ask for password,
 the most strange is that when I create my second user there is no such
 problem (first one is the DBA for oracle installation).
 There is no proble with the .profile because I do "copyt and paste"

 I heard that orapwd able to solve this problem, what is the file for ? and
 is that all other users have that kind of file and where Oracle store it ?


 Thank you for your time,


 Sinardy


 
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RE: Unix question

2001-03-26 Thread Chuck Hamilton
For single character replacement (or removal) use "tr". For string to string replacement use sed.
echo $var | tr "e" "o"
-or-
echo $var | sed "s/e/o/g"# (the '/g' means globally)
 Mandar Ghosalkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 




check this question from korn faq at 
http://www.kornshell.com/doc/faq.html

Q24. How do I do global substitutions on the contents of shell variables?A24. Use // instead of / for global substitution, ${var//aa/bb} willexpand to the value of with each "aa" replace by "bb".
so i tried
$ var=tester$ echo $vartester$ echo ${var//e/o}bad substitution$

anyone out there :)

-Mandar


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Hi geeks ,
How can I do substr and instr kind of operaion in unix shell script . is it possible ? 
like i have one paramter as "hostname" .. I want to trim quotes surrounding the hostname .
One more question , is possible to read another text file line by line using a shel script and then edit that file .
Actually I have this configuration file for my system which have keywords like $HOSTNAME$ , $SCHEMA$ which I want to replace with actual values at the time of installation by asking questions to the user.

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Re: changing internal password

2001-03-26 Thread Chuck Hamilton
You use the orapwd utility to change the remote internal password on unix. The default file name is $ORACLE_HOME/dbs/orapw$ORACLE_SID. Also, when you log in as internal locally, you don't need a password as long as the id you log in with is part of the dba unix group.
 Nihar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
hi pplcan any body help in changing internal pwd on solaris system. i couldn'tfind oradim on sun. Is there any similar tools like oradim on solaris..thanks- NIHAR SANGHVINetMagic Solutions Pvt. Ltd.22,Nirlon Complex,Western Express Highway,Goregaon (E), Mumabai 400 063Phone: 8723003 extn: 144www.netmagicsolutions.com-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: NiharINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY!
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Help...Rollback Segmenst Grow?

2001-03-26 Thread Scott Hahn

Gurus


1)
I am doing some data movement involving a table creation based on
another table
create table userid.pm_stage_lg_arch tablespace user_data as select
*from userid.pm_stage_lg where
entry_timestamp= to_date('06-feb-01 11:00:00','DD-MON-YY HH24:MI:SS');

This creates a table with 1,000,000 rows and grows my tablespace by 360
MB...

2)
I then want to delete the rows from the original table based on the same
date range.
delete from nuserid.pm_stage_lg where entry_timestamp =
to_date('06-feb-01 11:00:00','DD-MON-YY HH24:MI:SS');

The problem is that when I issue this statement which deletes
1,000,000 rows my rollback segments understandably grow by 600 MB...
1) Can I issue this statement without growing the rollback
segments? (no recover?)
2)  Can I actually shrink the size of the rollback segments
after backing up the database?

3) As you see in the statement I am basing my select on the date which I
need to be exact...Is there a way I could do it as select sysdate-45 from
dual and have it returned in teh same format as 'DD-MON-YY HH24:MI:SS' ???
I have been trying this for a while and cant get it..

Thanks for the help.  This is a DB that is limited in Hard drive space so I
need to conserve..

Scott Hahn


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RE:

2001-03-26 Thread Armstead, Michael A

Read the documentation on the 'orapwd' utility.

Michael Armstead
Database Administrator, OCP-Certified
Corporate  Finance Information Systems
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  can any body help in changing internal pwd on solaris system. i couldn't
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ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist

2001-03-26 Thread ALEMU Abiy



I have this error 
when I try to connect to a 8.1.7 database instance. I don't really know 
what's happening. To give just an information, on the server machine I've 
2 database engines (7.3.4 and 8.1.7) and on both engines there are 2 or more 
instances running. I've only one listener.ora file for both engines, with 
the correct ORACLE_HOMES

Thank you folks 
...

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RE: ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist

2001-03-26 Thread Henry Poras

What is the OS?

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I have this error when I try to connect to a 8.1.7 database instance.  I
don't really know what's happening.  To give just an information, on the
server machine I've 2 database engines (7.3.4 and 8.1.7) and on both engines
there are 2 or more instances running.  I've only one listener.ora file for
both engines, with the correct ORACLE_HOMES
 
Thank you folks ... 


@biy @lemu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cril Telecom Software
France
 

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OLAP again

2001-03-26 Thread Witold Iwaniec

Hi

Our product uses quite complex data model and we are looking for 
ways to speed up data access, especially large reports in the 
range of 25,000+ records.
One of the ideas was to look into OLAP, or now Business 
Intelligence, tools. After some reading it seems to me that OLAP is 
completely separate product - it is the Express Server that runs its 
own database, and tools like Express Objects, Express Analyzer 
that use the Oracle 9iAS and Express Server technology. You can 
still connect to your Oracle database or import/export the data for 
analysis, reporting, etc. but you have to set up completely new 
environment.

We hoped that we could use OLAP tools to point to Oracle 8i 
database and use it to provide faster access to our complex data 
model but it does not seems so straightforward. Or maybe I 
missed a tool. Could someone, please, correct me?

Thanks

Witold
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Source Code about Java Classes

2001-03-26 Thread Sergio Boix Moriano

Hi all,

Does anyody knows how to find the source code about Forms java
classes (oracle.forms.ui), i've looked for it at OTN, Technet and
Metalink, and haven't found no documentation about it.

Thanks in advance


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Doc on migrating to Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris

2001-03-26 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

Hi,

I checked OTN and they do not have doc on migrating to 8.1.6 for Solaris.
Does anyone know where I can
get this?

All I found on OTN is which has no info on migration

Sun SPARC Solaris 2.x, Release 8.1.5
 HTML   PDF   Installation Guide
 HTML   PDF   Administrator's Reference

Thanks
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Oracle DBAs with AIX experience needed in Florida..

2001-03-26 Thread OraStaff

Position: Oracle DBAs with AIX experience
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida
Industry: Resorts
Salary:   Up to 95K 

Description:

These positions are with a major entity in the resorts industry that needs 
Oracle DBAs who have AIX experience to provide database support. 
These are staff positions...so no third parties or sub-contractors please.

Requirements:
 
*They need someone with at least three years Oracle DBA experience.
*Solid AIX platform experience.
*Strong written and oral communication skills.
**Must be a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.


This position offers:
   * Stability 
   * The opportunity to become a key member of the team.
   * Relocation assistance

Please do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.

For  immediate consideration, please email your resume as an attachment to:

OraStaff, Inc.
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Please use job code: One/DBA/Ft.Lauderdale/Linda W.

Note: This is only one of the many opportunities that we have available
across the U.S. 
for candidates with Oracle skills. So if this one is not a match for you, we
invite you 
to send us your resume- as we quite possibly have the opportunity that you
are seeking.

I pay referral fees.
So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
in the posiitiondescribed above- if it is not a match for your skills.
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RE: Unix question

2001-03-26 Thread Brian MacLean



this 
is ksh93 syntax (at least on Sun):

1453:oracle@e6500b ksh1453:oracle@e6500b 
var=tester1453:oracle@e6500b echo ${var//e/o}ksh: ${var//e/o}: bad 
substitution
1453:oracle@e6500b 
dtksh1453:oracle@e6500b var=tester1453:oracle@e6500b echo 
${var//e/o}tostor1453:oracle@e6500b

  -Original Message-From: Mandar Ghosalkar 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:05 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Unix question
  check this question from korn faq at 
  http://www.kornshell.com/doc/faq.html
  
  Q24. How do I do global substitutions on 
  the contents of shell variables?A24. Use // instead of / for global 
  substitution, ${var//aa/bb} willexpand to the value of with each 
  "aa" replace by "bb".
  so i 
  tried
  $ 
  var=tester$ echo $vartester$ echo ${var//e/o}bad 
  substitution$
  
  anyone out there :)
  
  -Mandar
  
  
-Original Message-From: Big Planet 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:56 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
Unix question
Hi geeks ,
How can I do substr and instr kind of operaion 
in unix shell script . is it possible ? 
like i have one paramter as "hostname" .. I 
want to trim quotes surrounding the hostname .
One more question , is possible to read another 
text file line by line using a shel script and then edit that file 
.
Actually I have this configuration file for my 
system which have keywords like $HOSTNAME$ , $SCHEMA$ which I want to 
replace with actual values at the time of installation by asking questions 
to the user.

TIA
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RE: ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist

2001-03-26 Thread Haskins, Ed



Abiy,

I'm 
not positive, but it appears that the server's Shared Memory may not be 
configured. Is the database started and open? I'm assuming not...if 
in fact Oracle can't allocate the SGA in Shared Memory. You may need to 
reconfigure your Shared Memory settings and recompile the UNIX Kernel. 
Check to see if these shared memory settings exist first.

Ed 
Haskins]
Oracle 
DBA
Verizon Wireless

  -Original Message-From: ALEMU Abiy 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 
  10:41 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist
  I have this error 
  when I try to connect to a 8.1.7 database instance. I don't really know 
  what's happening. To give just an information, on the server machine 
  I've 2 database engines (7.3.4 and 8.1.7) and on both engines there are 2 or 
  more instances running. I've only one listener.ora file for both 
  engines, with the correct ORACLE_HOMES
  
  Thank you folks 
  ...
  
  @biy @lemu
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cril Telecom Software
  France
  


RE: ORA-27101: shared memory realm does not exist

2001-03-26 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

If this is NT I have had this error as well.  Mine was an error in the
init.ora parameters, I forgot to comment something out.
Kevin

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What is the OS?

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:41 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I have this error when I try to connect to a 8.1.7 database instance.  I
don't really know what's happening.  To give just an information, on the
server machine I've 2 database engines (7.3.4 and 8.1.7) and on both engines
there are 2 or more instances running.  I've only one listener.ora file for
both engines, with the correct ORACLE_HOMES

Thank you folks ...


@biy @lemu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cril Telecom Software
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RE: Which is faster??

2001-03-26 Thread Connor McDonald

Direct patch sqlldr (and insert-append) do allow
indexes - its just that you get slugged a little more
on rollback and redo...

I don't have any metrics to compare - typical usage of
either tends be to the ol'  a) drop ind, b) load, c)
redindex

hth
connor

--- Martin Kendall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I know that Direct Path of sqlldr does not allow
 Indexes
 so what is the comparative performance of this
 suggestion if
 the given Table is indexed ?
 
 Martin
 
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 Sent: 23 March 2001 09:05
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 If you're on 8.0 or higher, try
 
 insert /*+ APPEND */ 
 into table
 select * from other_table;
 
 where "table" is defined as nologging.  Then you
 won't
 hit either redo logs or rollback segments..Its the
 equivalent of a sqlldr direct load
 
 hth
 connor
 
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  insert into table
  select * from table2
  ;
  
  So if use the about bulk statement in my 
  application, and the table2 is big, say 10
  million records, my concern is that it's 
  going to fail because of the possible rollback
  segments failure. So then I have to use PL/SQL
  to create a cursor and commit every 5 records.
  What's the disadvantage of this?Will it be much
  slower
  than a bulk insert?
  
  Can I do it another way: create a stored procedure
  for this bulk insert, then pin this procedure in
  memory, does it still have RBS problem?
  
  Anyone has similar experience?
  
  Thanks in Advance,
  
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Re: DBMS_REPAIR package usage

2001-03-26 Thread Winnie_Liu



Thanks for your help! I will definitely try that later today! :D

It's really nice to have a full team of people helping me out when I am in
a "confused" phrase.

And I really do hope that there is not any "I know it's off-topic, but I
just couldn't resist .." spam over there.

I use my delete keys a lot more frequent than before (it is only my
opinion. I am not starting any war here..)

:P

Winnie







yong huang [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/24/2001 05:04:00 AM

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cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi, Winnie,

How did you find the file# to be 9 (unless you messed with your original
error
message)?

I suggest you post your message to news:comp.databases.oracle.server (or
http://news.interbulletin.com/cgi-bin/ibwrn/post/comp.databases.oracle.server

if your company doesn't have a news server). Hopefully it will attract
attention of Jonathan Lewis, the Oracle 8i expert, and several (former)
Oracle
employees such as Kyle Hailey, Howard Rogers and Anjo Kolk. The good thing
about that newsgroup is nobody is audacious enough to post spam messages
like
"tomorrow I'll post the chocolate recipe here".

Yong Huang
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Yong,

 Thanks a lot for all the research! :D

 The file# that actaully contains this block is 9. My database is not that
 big at all.

 I did do some research myself and some Oracle analysts in the World Wide
 Support does suggest that the influxed blocks are very likely to be a
 fractured block. But I reallly have no idea how it got in there... .

 Winnie





 yong huang [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/23/2001 04:01:21 PM

 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject:  Re: DBMS_REPAIR package usage


 Hi, Winnie,

 Just a little more research. I wonder how you can have an rdba that big,
 0x24070020, which is 604438560 in decimal.

 SQL var a number;
 SQL exec :a := dbms_utility.data_block_address_file(604438560);

 PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.

 SQL print

 A
 -
   144

 SQL exec :a := dbms_utility.data_block_address_block(604438560);

 PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.

 SQL print

 A
 -
458784

 This is done on 8.1.6. It says the block is in file 144, block 458784.
Why
 does
 your error say file=0? Anyway, in case you do have a file numbered 144,
 check
 to see if there's an object there. If it's indeed file 0, the dba should
be
 the
 same as block#, 458784, or 0x70020. DBMS_UTILITY.MAKE_DATA_BLOCK_ADDRESS
 can
 confirm this. However, that file# 0 may be just an indicator that that
 information is lost, as multiple other 0's look like.

 I believe dbv reports an error when it encounters a fractured block,
i.e.,
 the
 first two bytes of tail (0003 in your case) does not match the last two
 bytes
 of rdba (0020). We know how a fractured block is created during hot
backup.
 But
 I don't understand why an offlined datafile (as you said in another
email)
 can
 contain fractured blocks. Maybe Jeremiah Wilton can give a better answer.

 Yong Huang
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 you wrote:

 I have a datafile in my production box (a user data tablespace), when I
run
 dbv against it, it showed that 5 blocks are "influxed"

 Page 458784 is influx - most likely media corrupt
 ***
 Corrupt block relative dba: 0x24070020 file=0. blocknum=458784.
 Fractured block found during dbv:
 Data in bad block - type:0. format:0. rdba:0x
 last change scn:0x. seq:0x0 flg:0x00
 consistancy value in tail 0x0003c204
 check value in block header: 0x0, check value not calculated
 spare1:0x0, spare2:0x0, spare2:0x0

 We can copy this file to tape, dd this file. On the OS disk level, the OS
 does
 n
 ot treat this as corrupted. But it is corrupted on the oracle
 (software) level.

 I've checked and can't find any object associate with these 5 corrupted
 blcok.

 That means that there is no data inside those blocks.

 Since the tablespace is about 12 GB on a highly active system (which only
 got 3
 hours maintance window each month), export/import (then drop the
 tablespace)
 which Oracle support suggested is mostly out of the question.
(Especially,
 it
 is
  very hard for me to convince the sysadmin that the blocks are
 corrupted
 as they don't see any I/O error associate with this file and the
developers
 don'
 t see any problem with the application either!)

 I am currently thinking about upgrading this database to 8.1.6 to make
use
 of
 th
 e DBMS_REPAIR package to make those blocks as "unusable". But I
 am not sure that if the DBMS_REPAIR package can run against the blocks
 which do
 not belong to any objects!! Can someone  give me some
 guidences?

 thanks

 Winnie


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UNIX CD on NT

2001-03-26 Thread Khedr, Waleed

Is there a way to read an UNIX CD correctly on NT?
I want to use my CD drive (on NT) to get the files and permissions read
correctly on UNIX!

Thanks,

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(Fwd 1 of 2) Re: Forms going away?

2001-03-26 Thread Eric D. Pierce

fyi (1 of 2)

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Sriram,
Cherokee is not yet available and there are no papers on the Oracle or
Technet sites yet, although there will be shortly.
A sneak preview of Cherokee was published in the last ODTUG journal which
provides a good overview to the tool.

Anyway - the one paragraph overview:

"Oracle Project Cherokee is a standards-based, declarative development tool
for building high-performance, scaleable HTML transactional data-aware
components which can be embedded into any JSP or Oracle Portal Page. It
combines powerful transactional processing as well as a very rich
interactive HTML UI with an ultra-lightweight HTML footprint. Applications
run natively in commonly used browsers such as Internet Explorer and
Netscape. "


Regards

Duncan Mills
Oracle Forms Product Management
- Original Message -
To: O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:30 AM


 Friends,

 What is Cherokee? is it a forms replacement? Where can I find more on it.
I
 did
 try digging thru the ORACLE website but could not locate any white papers
 etc..

 Thanks

 Sriram



  -Original Message-
  From: On Behalf Of Openshaw, Michael
  Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:30 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
  Subject: RE: Forms going away?
 
 
  Cherokee will substantially improve the issue, but it still will have a
  problem as far as I'm concerned.  That is the need to load a specific
  component (about 200K in Cherokee's case, as opposed to
  Jinitiator) to work
  with a standard browser.
 
  The Web was *supposed* to get us away from controlling client
  configurations; that's why I like Webserver Generation, where
  browser-sensitivity is minimized (unless you specifically code for it).
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Jim Walski [ j w a l s k i 3 @ c l a s s i c p l a n . c o m ]
   Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:32 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
   Subject: Re: Forms going away?
  
   That was my thoughts exactly.  I figure they _have_ to support
  it for who
   knows how long, but as far as new functionality, what you see
  is what you
   get.
  
   I would *love* to see this Project Cherokee perform as
  described.  Oracle
   Forms over the Internet is poor at best.  I just can't get my
  hopes up, as
   Oracle is great at marketing and as for delivering?
  
   Jim
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   To: O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m 
   Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:15 PM
  
  
   Jim, Forms will be around for a Lng time.  Simply because
  Oracle will
   not kill it until Oracle Apps moves off of it (and we all know
  the speed
   at
   which Oracle Apps moves forward; calling it glacial would be kind.)
   
   Will forms be continually enhanced?  I would doubt it, past the next
12
   months or so.  The chances of a Forms 8 every seeing the light
  of day is
   about the same as Egypt winning the Olympic gold medal in hockey.
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Jim Walski 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
Subject: Forms going away?
   
I keep hearing that Forms will continually be enhanced for a
  long time.
However, I sure find it very interesting that Oracle is building a
Migration
utility to move your Forms .fmb to Cherokee files.
   
Quote from an email received from Susan Duncan
   
"...We have a team of developers who are working on a
  migration utility
   to
migrate Developer Forms to Cherokee modules "
   
Sure sounds like all new features will be added in Cherokee.
   Of course
knowing the speed of Oracle development I won't hold my breath for
an
early
release of Cherokee.

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(Fwd 2 of 2) Re: Forms going away?

2001-03-26 Thread Eric D. Pierce


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F r o m : d u n c a n . m i l l s @ o r a c l e . c o m 

We are building a migration facility purely because that was one of the
first things the customer base asked for when we initially showed Cherokee.
You bet people would have moaned if we'd not done it.
You'll note the word here is "Migration" not "Upgrade".  Cherokee does not
replace Forms, it will be a just another service under iAS.
There is no doubt that some applications will have portions which will adapt
well to the HTML interface so we offer a way of getting there via the
migration tool.   On the other hand you can do stuff in Forms that the
Cherokee HTML interface just can't do.  We believe that there is room for
both products

I'll take this opportunity to plug the "Migrating your 6i applications to
Project Cherokee" paper in San Diego.

Regards

Duncan Mills
Oracle Forms Product Management
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To: O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:20 PM


 I keep hearing that Forms will continually be enhanced for a long time.
 However, I sure find it very interesting that Oracle is building a
Migration
 utility to move your Forms .fmb to Cherokee files.

 Quote from an email received from Susan Duncan

 "...We have a team of developers who are working on a migration utility to
 migrate Developer Forms to Cherokee modules "

 Sure sounds like all new features will be added in Cherokee.  Of course
 knowing the speed of Oracle development I won't hold my breath for an
early
 release of Cherokee.

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Redo Log size used

2001-03-26 Thread Glenn Travis

What can I query to see how much of the redo log file is currently in use?


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RE: Help...Rollback Segmenst Grow?

2001-03-26 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

There is no way to stop the use of rollback segments when performing delete
operation. Have you considered writing a small PL/SQL procedure to delete
the rows? That way, you could commit the work at some interval to control
the use of rollback segments. You can certainly shrink them manually as
required.
 
- Kirti Deshpande 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Hahn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:36 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Help...Rollback Segmenst Grow? 
 
 Gurus
 
 
 1)
 I am doing some data movement involving a table creation based on
 another table
 create table userid.pm_stage_lg_arch tablespace user_data as select
 *from userid.pm_stage_lg where
 entry_timestamp= to_date('06-feb-01 11:00:00','DD-MON-YY
 HH24:MI:SS');
 
 This creates a table with 1,000,000 rows and grows my tablespace by 360
 MB...
 
 2)
 I then want to delete the rows from the original table based on the
 same
 date range.
 delete from nuserid.pm_stage_lg where entry_timestamp =
 to_date('06-feb-01 11:00:00','DD-MON-YY HH24:MI:SS');
 
 The problem is that when I issue this statement which deletes
 1,000,000 rows my rollback segments understandably grow by 600 MB...
 1) Can I issue this statement without growing the rollback
 segments? (no recover?)
 2)  Can I actually shrink the size of the rollback
 segments
 after backing up the database?
 
 3) As you see in the statement I am basing my select on the date which I
 need to be exact...Is there a way I could do it as select sysdate-45 from
 dual and have it returned in teh same format as 'DD-MON-YY HH24:MI:SS' ???
 I have been trying this for a while and cant get it..
 
 Thanks for the help.  This is a DB that is limited in Hard drive space so
 I
 need to conserve..
 
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RE: (Fwd 1 of 2) Re: Forms going away?

2001-03-26 Thread Grabowy, Chris

The presentation at the below link might also provide you with some
additional info.

http://www.seouc.org/Details/13.htm

Chris
"May Oracle be with you...always"

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:21 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


fyi (1 of 2)

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Sriram,
Cherokee is not yet available and there are no papers on the Oracle or
Technet sites yet, although there will be shortly.
A sneak preview of Cherokee was published in the last ODTUG journal which
provides a good overview to the tool.

Anyway - the one paragraph overview:

"Oracle Project Cherokee is a standards-based, declarative development tool
for building high-performance, scaleable HTML transactional data-aware
components which can be embedded into any JSP or Oracle Portal Page. It
combines powerful transactional processing as well as a very rich
interactive HTML UI with an ultra-lightweight HTML footprint. Applications
run natively in commonly used browsers such as Internet Explorer and
Netscape. "


Regards

Duncan Mills
Oracle Forms Product Management
- Original Message -
To: O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:30 AM


 Friends,

 What is Cherokee? is it a forms replacement? Where can I find more on it.
I
 did
 try digging thru the ORACLE website but could not locate any white papers
 etc..

 Thanks

 Sriram



  -Original Message-
  From: On Behalf Of Openshaw, Michael
  Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:30 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
  Subject: RE: Forms going away?
 
 
  Cherokee will substantially improve the issue, but it still will have a
  problem as far as I'm concerned.  That is the need to load a specific
  component (about 200K in Cherokee's case, as opposed to
  Jinitiator) to work
  with a standard browser.
 
  The Web was *supposed* to get us away from controlling client
  configurations; that's why I like Webserver Generation, where
  browser-sensitivity is minimized (unless you specifically code for it).
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Jim Walski [ j w a l s k i 3 @ c l a s s i c p l a n . c o m ]
   Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:32 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
   Subject: Re: Forms going away?
  
   That was my thoughts exactly.  I figure they _have_ to support
  it for who
   knows how long, but as far as new functionality, what you see
  is what you
   get.
  
   I would *love* to see this Project Cherokee perform as
  described.  Oracle
   Forms over the Internet is poor at best.  I just can't get my
  hopes up, as
   Oracle is great at marketing and as for delivering?
  
   Jim
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   To: O D T U G - D E V 2 K - L @ f a t c i t y . c o m 
   Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:15 PM
  
  
   Jim, Forms will be around for a Lng time.  Simply because
  Oracle will
   not kill it until Oracle Apps moves off of it (and we all know
  the speed
   at
   which Oracle Apps moves forward; calling it glacial would be kind.)
   
   Will forms be continually enhanced?  I would doubt it, past the next
12
   months or so.  The chances of a Forms 8 every seeing the light
  of day is
   about the same as Egypt winning the Olympic gold medal in hockey.
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Jim Walski 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-DEV2K-L
Subject: Forms going away?
   
I keep hearing that Forms will continually be enhanced for a
  long time.
However, I sure find it very interesting that Oracle is building a
Migration
utility to move your Forms .fmb to Cherokee files.
   
Quote from an email received from Susan Duncan
   
"...We have a team of developers who are working on a
  migration utility
   to
migrate Developer Forms to Cherokee modules "
   
Sure sounds like all new features will be added in Cherokee.
   Of course
knowing the speed of Oracle development I won't hold my breath for
an
early
release of Cherokee.

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RE: Why is there air?

2001-03-26 Thread jkstill

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Maser, Donna  (SEA) wrote:

 Jared,
   I am still waiting/hoping for an answer...
   Why IS there air?
 - Donna


It's to dilute the output from grain eating
methane dispensers.

Jared


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Linux, Sqlplus worksheet?

2001-03-26 Thread Hagedorn, Linda
Title: Linux, Sqlplus worksheet? 





Hi, 


I have a user who works on Linux and wants a SQL interface other than command line sqlplus. Since I don't use Linux, I checked my disks for a SQLPLUS Worksheet or OEM version for Linux to no avail. 

Can anyone recommend a gui/java/etc. SQL processor for Linux, other than command line sqlplus? 


Any information or referral to documentation is appreciated. 


Thanks, 


Linda 





Re: do you use SQLJ ?

2001-03-26 Thread jkstill


Oracle has repeatedly stated that PL/SQL is not
going away.

One good reason for this is that PL/SQL is highly
optimized for DML in the database.  Java is not,
and will not likely ever be as efficient PL/SQL
for manipulating large amounts of data.  At least
IMO.

OOP has many benefits, but large scale DML is not
one of them, at least not yet.

PL/SQL will be around for awhile yet.

And if you are wondering 'Should I learn Java?', the
answer is 'definitely', as it is capable of many
things that PL/SQL is not.

Jared



On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jeff Cox wrote:

 Dear List,

 I haven't really seen a question on this list regarding SQLJ, and it makes
 me wonder how many people on this list actually use SQLJ.  A DBA friend of
 mine told me that eventually SQLJ will replace PL/SQL in preference, and I
 wanted to know the truth regarding his statement - so who better to ask than
 the experts of this list?

 What have you heard, or better yet, what is your opinion of SQLJ?  Is SQLJ
 the future?  Will PL/SQL die a slow death?  Can you do everything in SQLJ
 that you can do in PL/SQL?


 Cheers,

 Jeff Cox
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RE: Redo Log size used

2001-03-26 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Glenn,

Try 'log_file_usage.sql' at
http://www.ixora.com.au/scripts/redo_log.htm#log_file_usage.

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What can I query to see how much of the redo log file is currently in
use?


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Insert

2001-03-26 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Hi DBA's,
One of my developers just asked me a question, and honestly I don't know
what he's talking about.  But, it made me think of my own that I do know the
answer to or at least I used to:(   Anyway, when doing an insert into a
table, doesn't it increase performance to delete any indexes, do the insert
then rebuild the index.  Or do you just have to disable the index?  Also,
does this work the same for delete?  Also...is there anyway to guestemate
how long an insert is going to take?

Sincerely,
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Re: Linux, Sqlplus worksheet?

2001-03-26 Thread Rodd Holman

OEM for linux is available in the 8.1.7 download from technet.  Another good 
place to look is http://www.orasoft.org.  Matthew has written a fairly good 
sql worksheet.  They both work off the idea of a sql window and output 
window.  Both give you command history, scrollable output, export of 
input/output to text, both are free.  OEM is in java.  Orasoft is done with 
gtk.  The OEM sheet allows for sqlplus commands Orasoft doesn't.  Orasoft is 
faster (it's not hogging the machine processes with java.)  I use both 
depending on what I need.  Orasoft only works with 8x db's.  OEM will work 
with any Oracle db 7.3.4 or higher (maybe lower too, but  I haven't had time 
to explore that)

HTH

On Monday 26 March 2001 15:00, Linda wrote:
 Hi,

 I have a user who works on Linux and wants a SQL interface other than
 command line sqlplus.  Since I don't use Linux, I checked my disks for a
 SQLPLUS Worksheet or OEM version for Linux to no avail.

 Can anyone recommend a gui/java/etc. SQL processor for Linux, other than
 command line sqlplus?

 Any information or referral to documentation is appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Linda
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Re: Redo Log size used

2001-03-26 Thread Mohammad Rafiq

See your alertSID.log by using

tail -f alertSID.log

Regards
Rafiq




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Re: Linux, Sqlplus worksheet?

2001-03-26 Thread Rodd Holman

Let me rephrase OEM is "free" in accordance with the license restrictions in 
the development download.  Orasoft is GPL for the downloadable version.

On Monday 26 March 2001 15:31, you wrote:
 OEM for linux is available in the 8.1.7 download from technet.  Another
 good place to look is http://www.orasoft.org.  Matthew has written a fairly
 good sql worksheet.  They both work off the idea of a sql window and output
 window.  Both give you command history, scrollable output, export of
 input/output to text, both are free.  OEM is in java.  Orasoft is done with
 gtk.  The OEM sheet allows for sqlplus commands Orasoft doesn't.  Orasoft
 is faster (it's not hogging the machine processes with java.)  I use both
 depending on what I need.  Orasoft only works with 8x db's.  OEM will work
 with any Oracle db 7.3.4 or higher (maybe lower too, but  I haven't had
 time to explore that)

 HTH

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  Hi,
 
  I have a user who works on Linux and wants a SQL interface other than
  command line sqlplus.  Since I don't use Linux, I checked my disks for a
  SQLPLUS Worksheet or OEM version for Linux to no avail.
 
  Can anyone recommend a gui/java/etc. SQL processor for Linux, other than
  command line sqlplus?
 
  Any information or referral to documentation is appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Linda

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Execution Plan Qs. of SQL Script ?

2001-03-26 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA

 Oracle ver 7.3.4.5 
 
 CASE 1 - Following query Going for FULL table scan of
 TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE(Synonym=TDS) Table inspite of the presence of the
 index IDX_TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE defined on Fileds(sol_id, cust_id,
 tds_cert_num, tran_date)
 
 
 SELECT SOL_ID,CUST_ID FROM TDS
 WHERE TDS.SOL_ID IN (  SELECT SOL_ID  FROM SOL  WHERE SOL.BR_CODE =  '033'
 )
 AND TDS.CUST_ID =  '03313'
 AND TDS.TRAN_DATE  = TO_DATE( '01-04-2000 00:00:00' , 'DD-MM-
 HH24:MI:SS' )
 
 call count   cpuelapsed   disk  querycurrent
 rows
 --- --   -- -- -- --
 --
 Parse1  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
 0
 Execute  1  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
 0
 Fetch1  1.74   1.74   8062   8068  2
 1
 --- --   -- -- -- --
 --
 total3  1.74   1.74   8062   8068  2
 1
 
 Rows Execution Plan
 ---  ---
   0  SELECT STATEMENT   GOAL: RULE
   1   NESTED LOOPS
  368573TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE'
   1TABLE ACCESS (BY ROWID) OF 'SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE'
   1 INDEX (UNIQUE SCAN) OF 'IDX_SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE' (UNIQUE)
 
 NOTE SOL is the Synonym for SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE Table which Contains
 Masterdata of about 50 
 rows only
 
 Qs. 1 Why is Index Scan of TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE Table NOT Happening ?
 Qs. 2 Am i correct in inferring from the Above That
 TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE is the Driving 
 Table because it Appears First in the Execution Plan when Reading
 Downwards ?
 
 
 CASE 2 - After Creation  of Index on SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE (SOL) table on
 field (br_code field), for the SAME WHERE Clause Statement , INDEX Scan of
 TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE(TDS) Table is Done 
 
 UPDATE TDS  SET TDS.SHORTFALL_AMT = 0
 WHERE
   TDS.SOL_ID IN (  SELECT SOL_ID  FROM SOL  WHERE SOL.BR_CODE =  :1  ) AND
   TDS.CUST_ID =  :2  AND TDS.TRAN_DATE  =  TO_DATE( :3 , 'DD-MM-
 HH24:MI:SS' )
 
 
 call count   cpuelapsed   disk  querycurrent
 rows
 --- --   -- -- -- --
 --
 Parse1  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
 0
 Execute  1  0.00   0.00  0  7  1
 1
 Fetch0  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
 0
 --- --   -- -- -- --
 --
 total2  0.00   0.00  0  7  1
 1
 
 Rows Execution Plan
 ---  ---
   0  UPDATE STATEMENT   GOAL: RULE
   1   NESTED LOOPS
   1TABLE ACCESS (BY ROWID) OF 'SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE'
   2 INDEX (RANGE SCAN) OF 'IDX_SOL_BR_CODE' (NON-UNIQUE)
   2INDEX (RANGE SCAN) OF 'IDX_TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE' (UNIQUE)
 
 NOTE - Also seemingly SERVICE_OUTLET_TABLE(SOL) Table Now Becomes the
 Driving Table
 
 Qs. How does Creation of an index on The Table which is Part of the Nested
 Query Cause the Execution plan to Change as Shown ?
 
 
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Re: Using HS

2001-03-26 Thread Tzachi Nissim

It must be a silly environment issue. Are you using a Merant driver on the
Sun to SQL server (I was not aware that there is such a Merant driver), or
are you using SQL*NET to get to the NT where HS is activating Merant?

- If Merant driver is on the Sun, I would check the listener environment.
Probably the ODBCINI environment variable is not set.

- If Merant driver is on NT, the most common case is if you defined a user
DSN instead of a system DSN. The listener starts HS under the system so the
user DSN is not known.

Hope this helps...

Tzachi

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 The SUN/Merant = NT link is ok because it is working
 when using Powermart.
 We just want to call a stored proc on MS SQL Server
 which is not allowed with Powermart 4.6 (it is
 supposed to work with Powermart 5) . So the idea is to
 call an Oracle Stored proc which would called a MS SQL
 Server stored proc. We won't buy the Gateway since
 Powermart 5 should do the job in a few months.



 --- Tzachi Nissim [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : 
 Looks like you did not setup the DSN name correctly.
  Merant cannot find the
  DSN name that HS passed to it. Look at their ODBCINI
  file to verify that the
  DSN appears there. I would suggest, however, that
  you get the enterprise
  gateway to SQL server. Performance will be better
  too...
 
  I hope you had more fun in your vacation... :)
 
  Tzachi
 
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   Hi,
  
   Back from vacation and trying to make HS work
  between
   Oracle 816/Solaris and MS SQl Server 6.5 or Oracle
   817/Solaris MS SQl Server 6.5. The ODBC driver is
   Merant 360.
  
  
   On 816 I'm having :
   ORA-28500: connection from ORACLE to a non-Oracle
   system returned this mess
   age:
   [Transparent gateway for ODBC]DRV_InitTdp:
   [MERANT][ODBC lib] Data source name not found and
  no
   default driver specified (SQL State: IM002; SQL
  Code:
   0)
   ORA-02063: preceding 2 lines from HSODBC
  
  
   On 817 I'm having
   ORA-28509: unable to establish a connection to a
   non-Oracle system
   ORA-02063: preceding line from HSODBC
  
  
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2001-03-26 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA


Have a Single Instance Database ( ORA 8.1.7 )Running on a 2-node Cluster (
Digital Unix 5.1)

Any Doc. Listing Steps to Convert it into a 2 instance OPS Database ?


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Re: Single Code Table or Separate Code tables dilemma

2001-03-26 Thread Michael Netrusov

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 As to the encapsulation: Yes things should be encapsulated, fine. But are
 you saying you do not use any queries in your encapsulating procedures?

I am using cursors ( mostly implicit ).

 Have you ever seen an app that was completely encapsulated?

Yes, I had. Not every app needs ad hoc queries..

 What about the
 developer that gets repeatedly reprimanded for not following corporate
 standards but is married to the CEO's daughter?

If the CEO still keeps him, he is dumb. If the CEO is dumb, the whole company goes to 
hell sooner or later.
What's the point of taking care of the project then? :-)

 You keep referring to code that has to be changed anyway.  Perchance another
 example, we'll use the DOCTOR table from the Ghosalkar/Kilchoer thread:
...
 The users tell us: We need to track specialties as being primarily inpatient
 or outpatient so that extra information can be collected for inpatient
 situations (I know, those of you doing work in health care can shoot all
 kinds of holes in this.)

 Then I copy all the entries from the code table. (script that must run at
 the production site - asking for trouble), remove them from the old table
 (even more dangerous).  Update the master table entry program and procedures
 to not allow the archived code any more.  Rip through every scrap of code in
 the system to find any reference to I_DONT_LIKE_MASTER to make sure it does
 not have any need of the archived code type.

I would put this into code_type = 'specialty_type_inpatient'  and code_type = 
'specialty_type_outpatient', not adding the
inpatient_yn column.

 Please bear in mind that
 although you are being a very good programmer and using encapsulation, the
 idiots that got fired last week were not, so we still have to look.

I would say we have to prevent this :-) "Code supervizing" they call it..

 Any
 that are found will have to be changed.  Now I create my new entry form to
 add the field and update the registration code.  Then I sit back and wait
 for 1) one of the client's Access reports to return no data because they did
 not realize the data had been moved,

So Access report does not use the packaged code? Too bad..

 or  2) some of our code to break because
 we overlooked something.

 The multiple table way:
 CREATE TABLE SPECIALTIES
 (INPATIENT_YN VARCHAR2(1))
 Now I create my new entry form to add the field and update the registration
 code.  Done.  Where are these other code changes that have to be done?

Changes to the doctor table.

 All the old code (encapsulated or not) still works the way it used to.  If I
 overlook something, it may not have the added functionality, but it will not
 break.

 PS:  I think this discussion would best be continued with copious amounts of
 alcohol.  If you are ever in Dallas, look me up.

Agreed ;-) If you'll be in Washington DC, let me know!


  -Original Message-
  From: Michael Netrusov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:31 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re: Single Code Table or Separate Code tables dilemma
 
 
 
Well, in the case of 100 tables you are still hunting all the
code looking for pieces which are relevant to that changed table.
Depends on your code. I prefer to encapsulate mine, so
reference to a table is enclosed in its own package.
  
   My point is that I can use grep to search the entire code
  for "order_status"
   and get a short list (maybe 10) of places to look.  It is much more
   difficult to search for "code_table", get a list of 1,
  then filter
   through the results for some bastardized variety of
  "code_type = 'STATUS'"
   to get down to those same 10.
  
   Not everything can be encapsulated in a procedure.  This is
  a database we
   are talking about, so people do still write queries where
  it is easier to
   join the lookup table to the master table directly.  If the
  code has to be
   broken out of the central lookup table, you have to update
  every query that
   joins it in, even if all that query needs is the
  description.  If it is
   already split out, the only code I really have to be
  concerned with is the
   places where the new functionality applies.
 
  Queries still can be ( and should be ) encapsulated in
  packages. If you are taking this to-be-enhanced 'status'
  entity out of the
  master lookup table, all you have to do is to develop a new
  package, change the calling code and prohibit the usage of code_type =
  'status' in the master lookup table. This still would be
  changed if you had a separate package and table for the
  'status' entity.
 
 If I were starting a product from scratch and there was a
central code table
 I would probably code against a set of views in
anticipation of the above
 event, so the DBA ends up creating 1 objects anyway.
   
Views consume resources and bring new dependencies, so the
administration becomes more complicated.
What 

RE: Linux, Sqlplus worksheet?

2001-03-26 Thread Gogala, Mladen

OEM will do just fine. It's available on 8.1.7

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Hi, 

I have a user who works on Linux and wants a SQL interface other than
command line sqlplus.  Since I don't use Linux, I checked my disks for a
SQLPLUS Worksheet or OEM version for Linux to no avail.  

Can anyone recommend a gui/java/etc. SQL processor for Linux, other than
command line sqlplus? 

Any information or referral to documentation is appreciated. 

Thanks,  

Linda 

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RE: IOUG university

2001-03-26 Thread Weaver, Walt

Well, I haven't been to any classes taught by Cary Millsap, but I worked
with Cary in the late '80's. One of the sharpest individuals I've ever
worked with, very personable, friendly, and down to earth. I would imagine
his classes/seminars are very useful.

I've been to seminars put on by Gaja and Dave at OpenWorld and, if memory
serves me right (very debatable), at the IOUG conference. Their
presentations were very interesting and useful. In addition, Dave Ensor
could probably be a stand-up comedian. Very entertaining guy.

IMHO, and despite not looking at the course outlines, I'd say you can't go
wrong with any of'em.

--Walt Weaver
  Bozeman, Montana, USA 

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RE: Redo Log size used

2001-03-26 Thread Steve Adams

Hi Glenn,

Yes, your query is fine, and does just what you think.
Please see http://www.ixora.com.au/q+a/0102/06135327.htm for the meaning
of cpodr_bno.
Please see http://www.ixora.com.au/tips/tuning/log_buffer_size.htm for
the relationship between log blocks and the log buffer.

@   Regards,
@   Steve Adams
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@   http://www.christianity.net.au/


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As always your script was exactly what I was looking for.  I am assuming
the
column sys.x_$kccle.lesiz is number of blocks which make up the logfile,
and
sys.x_$kcccp.cpodr_bno is number of blocks in the log file currently in
use,
although I can't decipher the column name meaning.  Using your
http://www.ixora.com.au/scripts/redo_log.htm#log_block_size.sql script,
I
was able to see the number of bytes in a redo log block.  Again, I am
assuming it is bytes (why is the redo log block size different from the
log
buffer size (set in the init.ora file)?).  What exactly is the
sys.x_$kccle.lebsz column?

I wrote this query to give me the number of MB currently in use by in
the
redo log file.

select
  le.leseq  log_sequence#,
  le.lesiz * le.lebsz /1024 /1024 logmbtotal,
  cp.cpodr_bno * le.lebsz /1024 /1024 logmbinuse
from
  sys.x_$kcccp  cp,
  sys.x_$kccle  le
where
  le.inst_id = userenv('Instance') and
  cp.inst_id = userenv('Instance') and
  le.leseq = cp.cpodr_seq

Am I making the correct assumptions here?

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 Hi Glenn,

 Try 'log_file_usage.sql' at
 http://www.ixora.com.au/scripts/redo_log.htm#log_file_usage.

 @   Regards,
 @   Steve Adams
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 What can I query to see how much of the redo log file is currently in
use?


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Re: Source Code about Java Classes

2001-03-26 Thread jkstill


Sergio,

It doesn't seem to likely that Oracle will
provide the source for their products.

Jraed
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Sergio Boix Moriano wrote:

 Hi all,

 Does anyody knows how to find the source code about Forms java
 classes (oracle.forms.ui), i've looked for it at OTN, Technet and
 Metalink, and haven't found no documentation about it.

 Thanks in advance



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Solaris security ?

2001-03-26 Thread Sinardy Xing

Hi guys,

(With - Solaris 2.7)

Do you have any solution how to allow "non owner" to perform backup ? with
"tar command"

For example:
myfile.txt rw---

can you solve this puzzled ?
If you think I need to write a unix script would you please teaching me and
showing me the steps ?



Thank you,



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RE: how to store orace errors in database (UNIX scripting challen

2001-03-26 Thread Mandar Ghosalkar

Ok guys,

spent my weekend on learning sed.
heres what i hv cooked up, just for fun

a shell script to get all ora errors into a SDF format, which can be
uploaded into a table using sql*loader.

issues faced and asking for answers
* how to insert a new-line. so broke the sed into next line to insert the
new line char.
* typeset was not working with /bin/ksh (maybe not ksh93), so used
/usr/dt/bin/dtksh
* how to install ksh93 on release 5.7 ?
* what are the licensing issues related to installing ksh93
* why dont i hv ksh93? why why why? :)
* its very slw

script starts here 
#/usr/dt/bin/dtksh 
tmpfile=/tmp/err$$ #temporary file
errfile=err.dat #error data file
typeset -Z5 count   #fixed width var
count=1
typeset -L256 errm errcause erraction   #fixed width var
while [ count -ne 20001 ]
do
var=`oerr ora $count`
if [ -n "$var" ]
then
echo $var | sed 's/\/\/ \*Cause: /\
/;s/\/\/ \*Action:/\
/;s/ \/\/ / /g' $tmpfile   #remove "*Cause" "*Action" "//" and add
newline instead
errm=`sed -n 1p $tmpfile`
errcause=`sed -n 2p $tmpfile`
erraction=`sed -n 3p $tmpfile`
echo "$errm""$errcause""$erraction" $errfile
fi  
count=`expr $count + 1`
done
secript ends here

is there any oracle site where i can dump this script for everybody's use?

-Mandar

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  Hello I am Kaushik Das from india .I am new to your group.
  I had a query ,i hope some one will reply to this mail.
  
  Just like we can store help of sql commands in HELP table  in
  oracle database.In a semilar way can we store ORACLE errors 
  in database
  
  for example to see oracle error  in unix we write   
 oerr ora 
  
  1)what command should we write in nt to see the complete 
 info of this
  error.
  
  2) How to store and retrive complete oracle error messages in oracle
  database.
  
  3) is there any sql file which dba should run to create such 
  table and toad
  data.
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
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Execute priv to an isolated procedure inside a package

2001-03-26 Thread djordjej

Hi friends,

One cannot grant execute privilege to a specific procedure/function inside a
package, but only for all or nothing that is in that package.

Anybody has an idea how this limitation can be overcomed.  One idea is to
create a separate stand-alone procedure that will just be a wrapper around
the packaged procedure and call it.  Any other ideas.

Thanks.

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RE: IOUG university

2001-03-26 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I saw Cary present in Copenhagen VERY smart man.. father of OFA :)

Gaja we all know from this list -- and I know very few (if any) people who 
know more about performance tuning than he does

Dave Ensor also -- yes a stand-up comic, but he also is one of the most 
knowledgeable men about oracle that I have met.

ALL these presentations will be wonderful


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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:36:00 -0800

Well, I haven't been to any classes taught by Cary Millsap, but I worked
with Cary in the late '80's. One of the sharpest individuals I've ever
worked with, very personable, friendly, and down to earth. I would imagine
his classes/seminars are very useful.

I've been to seminars put on by Gaja and Dave at OpenWorld and, if memory
serves me right (very debatable), at the IOUG conference. Their
presentations were very interesting and useful. In addition, Dave Ensor
could probably be a stand-up comedian. Very entertaining guy.

IMHO, and despite not looking at the course outlines, I'd say you can't go
wrong with any of'em.

--Walt Weaver
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Ensor
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RE: ===CPU, memory script(need help)

2001-03-26 Thread Sinardy Xing

select   NAME,
 VALUE
from sys.v_$sga;

vmstat (solaris command)



Sinardy



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Hi Gurus,
does anyone has a script that detects in a database where a lot CPU is being
used and memories.(on Solaris)
if so can someone send me this.

Thanks
Regis


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Curious /etc/system settings in Solaris

2001-03-26 Thread Louis Avrami

Hello all,

One of the database servers that I am currently working on is
a Sun 6500, running Solaris 2.7.  It's a fairly large machine,
with 20 gig of memory.  It's being used for development and testing
for multiple applications.

When I began installing our particular versions of Oracle (7.3.4.5
and 8.1.7) on the box, I noticed that there were several tunables
settings in /etc/system that I had not seen on Solaris boxes
previously.  Is anyone familiar with the settings that I have
listed below?  I have placed an  to the right of the tunables
in question.  Could they perhaps be applicable to an HP-UX server?
 So far I've only worked on Sun, AIX and Linux servers.  The
shop where this server is located has been primarily HP-UX in
the past, so I thought that these might be legacy settings.

On Solaris, I've heard that it isn't a good idea to fool around
too much with tunables if it isn't necessary.  Portions of the
kernel are "dynamic", and unneeded settings could limit OS operations.

Some of the typical Oracle settings don't look optimal either,
 for example semmns=15000!!, but that is an issue for another
time.

Any info would be greatly appreciated,

Lou Avrami



* Following paraameters added under change # 144754 for Oracle
install.
set tune_t_gpgslo=250   -
set tune_t_minarmem=100 -
set tune_t_minasmem=250 -
set msgsys:msginfo_msgmap=200   -
set msgsys:msginfo_msgmni=100   -
set msgsys:msginfo_msgtql=80-
set msgsys:msginfo_msgseg=2048  -
set semsys:seminfo_semmap=100   -
set semsys:seminfo_semmnu=800   -
set semsys:seminfo_semume=100   -
set pln:pln_enable_detach_suspend=1 -
set soc:soc_enable_detach_suspend=1 -
set socal:socal_enable_suspend=1-
set fcaw:force32 = 1-
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=4294967295
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmin=1
set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=100
set shmsys:shminfo_shmseg=10
set semsys:seminfo_semmni=500
set semsys:seminfo_semmsl=2010
set semsys:seminfo_semmns=15000
set semsys:seminfo_semopm=100
set semsys:seminfo_semvmx=32767
* End change # 144754




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help!!! data migration

2001-03-26 Thread Nihar

hi ppl,

 i want to migrate oracle database from solaris to NT and vise versa..
can anybody tell me the best way to do it. my database sixe is around 25GB.


thanks

   
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RE: Execution Plan Qs. of SQL Script ?

2001-03-26 Thread VIVEK_SHARMA


Kevin wrote - "It is no surprise that the index you mention cannot be used"

Qs. WHY ? 
( Why is Index IDX_TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE on the Table in the Main Query
NOT being used 
in the Absence  of the Index on the Table of the Sub-Query ? )

Or am i missing the Obvious ?


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   CASE 1 - Following query Going for FULL table scan of
   TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE(Synonym=TDS) Table inspite of the presence of
  the
   index IDX_TAX_DED_AT_SOURCE_TABLE defined on Fileds(sol_id, cust_id,
   tds_cert_num, tran_date)
   
   
   SELECT SOL_ID,CUST_ID FROM TDS
   WHERE TDS.SOL_ID IN (  SELECT SOL_ID  FROM SOL  WHERE SOL.BR_CODE =
  '033'
   )
   AND TDS.CUST_ID =  '03313'
   AND TDS.TRAN_DATE  = TO_DATE( '01-04-2000 00:00:00' , 'DD-MM-
   HH24:MI:SS' )
  
   It is no surprise that the index you mention cannot be used.
 
   1) You need to think of the subquery as a seperate query, and
 produce an index that will optimize the subquery.  That is why the index
 on
 SOL.BR_CODE works well.
 
   2) Your index is otherwise overspecified in relation to your WHERE
 clause... your query does not include the index column TDS_CERT_NUM and
 any
 following column, so you are unable to use the TRAN_DATE component of the
 index as well.  You could either reverse the order of the 3rd and 4th
 column
 (which may impact some other queries' performance... check on v$sqlarea
 for
 similar queries), or create another index which just has the 3 columns you
 are referencing.
 
   Kevin Little
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olap?

2001-03-26 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

Hallo,

Can anyone tell me:

What is OLAP and how does it work, a short description, thanks.


Roland Skldblom



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Re: Source Code about Java Classes

2001-03-26 Thread Sergio Boix Moriano


Hi all,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sergio,

 It doesn't seem to likely that Oracle will
 provide the source for their products.

I supposed it, but I only want the source for the oracle.forms.ui or the
oracle.forms.ui.vbutton. If it's not possible, i would like to have a
complete information about the methods an the posibble values of the
attributes for the  oracle.forms.ui class.

Thanks in advance.



 Jraed
 On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Sergio Boix Moriano wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  Does anyody knows how to find the source code about Forms java
  classes (oracle.forms.ui), i've looked for it at OTN, Technet and
  Metalink, and haven't found no documentation about it.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
 

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