RE: 2 Databases Problem

2001-03-28 Thread herman

Hi ,
if I'm not wrong,
it's because there is another instance use the same db name.
check ur initSID.ora

regards

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Dear Listers ,

yesterday , I've created 2nd database for Test using Database Assistant on
NT.
and I also shutdown my Test Server later.

this morning , when I tried to Startup both of My DB , I found ORA-01102
error :can not mount database exclusively.

My 1st database is able to be started in OPEN mode , but I can not startup
my 2nd database .

please help me , how to solve it...


Thanks a lot in advance : )


=bambang=


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'Event Group Latch'

2001-03-28 Thread Connor McDonald

Tom Kyte (asktom.oracle.com) kindly posted me a reply
to my question on the above latch.  For anyone
interested, the description is below

Cheers
Connor

-- START QUOTE
Event Group Latch

Usage
This latch is used during the following operations : 
 An "alter system set events.." command. 
 During process startup where the process copies the
events stored in the 
 System event group to its Process event group. 


Event Groups

Events are considered to exist in either the process,
session or system group. 
The differences are outlined below : 

System Group 
The event tree is built in the SGA and is derived from
the settings of the 
instance parameter "event". It can also be modified by
using the command "alter 
system set events...". 

Process Group 
These are initialised at process startup time via the
instance parameter 
"event". When the process starts up we copy the event
tree that we have stored 
in the System Group. The event tree is built in the
PGA. 

Session Group 
These are events that are modified dynamically via the
"alter session" command. 
When we perform event checking we check the session
group events before those of 
the process group. The event tree is built in the UGA.

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RE: Issues with Oracle on a Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster

2001-03-28 Thread lerobe - Lee Robertson

Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested itself
on non-clustered setups ?

We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system.

As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the
instructions.

Regards

Lee


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We use COMPAQ tru64 5.1 with Oracle 8.1.7. we had noticed corruption in some

all files and had to apply some O/S level patches.
We followed the instructions in the following TAR#  13320267.600. You may 
want to do a dbv on certain files to ensure there is not corruption.

Again we did not notice these problems until RMAN complained of corruption. 
And we noticed corruption in the redo logs.


Murali Vallath


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   We are running Oracle 8.1.6.2.0 on a new Compaq Tru64 cluster running 5.1

patchkit 1.  We have had Oracle running for almost 2 months.  For the last 
several days, we have been experiencing severe I/O issues.  The databases 
will freeze-up and claim that they can't access certain files.  
Occassionally even 'ls' commands will lock up to, but only when accessing 
certain sub-directories of file systems.
   Naturally, we are trying to figure out what has changed in the last few 
days.  We know that the Legatto Networker client was installed, and we also 
had a UPS failure.  In an attempt to isolate the problem, we have removed 
the Legatto Networker client.  Our sysadmins are not seeing any problems at 
the hardware level.  We have completed powered the cluster down and brought 
it back up.  When the databases begin locking up, we do see error messages 
related to various file systems come across the console.  For a few days, we

thought it might be RMAN, but I haven't used it in the last 2 days and the 
problems are still occurring.
   So, my question is - are any of you folks on a Tru64 5.1 cluster and if 
so, have you seen similar problems?  The systems include 3 GS80s, an ES40, 
and a Storage Area Network for the disks.  We are not running OPS and we are

not using raw devices.

Thank you,
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Re: changing db_block_size

2001-03-28 Thread paquette stephane

I have read the same : different blocksizes per
tablespaces in Oracle 9i.
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit:
 no flame supposedly in 9i you will be able to
 change the block size 
 while the db is up and will also be able to have
 different blocksizes  -- I 
 think it's by tablespace
 
 
 
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 last i checked that was your only choice, anyone
 like to flame me for
 that statement :)
 
 joe
 Roy Ferguson wrote:
  
   all,
  
   I would like to change the db_block_size
 (currently 2048) of our 
 production
   database and would be interested in hearing from
 those that have done 
 this on a
   not so small database.  This is our oracle
 financials/manufacturing 
 server and
   is about 30GB in size.  Did you recreate the
 database using imp/exp or 
 another
   method?
  
   Running Oracle 8.0.5 on Sun Solaris 7.
  
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Oracle variables; LD_LIBRARY_PATH TNS_ADMIN

2001-03-28 Thread Viraj Luthra

Hello,


I need some clarification. What is the significance of the Oracle variables, TNS_ADMIN 
 LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

When are the 2 used or what effects what in the environment?

Also please if some one knows how do I monitor an Oracle Parallel Server? Any good 
book where I can read about OPS?

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Re: Trying to find a book...

2001-03-28 Thread K Gopalakrishnan

Rocky !

I guess you are talking about his OCP TEst prepration guide.
I think it is published by new riders.

A quick search on AMAZON.com will give you more
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 Anyone know of a book by Willard Baird? I'd like to like to know the title
 and any thoughts you may have.

 TIA,

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RE: Import comma-delimited text file into Oracle

2001-03-28 Thread Morton, Ronald D

Helmut,

I believe that SQL*Loader is the quickest way to load your data.  You could
write a procedure that uses UTL_FILE also.  And there is another choice, but
truly brute force - you could edit your file into INSERT statements and load
it through SQL*PLUS. :-(

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Hi!

Is SQL*Loader the only way to move the contents of a comma-delimited ASCII
file into Oracle? UTL_FILE would be another option, right?

Or are there any other ways to do this?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k.

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RE: Exp Imp Overwirte posiible or not?

2001-03-28 Thread azhar


Hi ,
destroy=y option doesn't  meet the requirement . I checked the oracle docs
and didn't find any option to overwrite data.I think  i have  to truncate
data and then insert into appropriate tables as william pointed out.
Thnaks to every one who responded.
Azhar Siddiq,



   

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Thanks for the correction.  I'm away from the doc CD at the moment as we
are
moving offices...

Scott Shafer
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 The DESTROY option on an import indicates whether the CREATE TABLESPACE
 commands only found in a full export should be executed. Setting
DESTROY=Y
 destroys the data files of the database being imported into. This is only
 used when you want to rebuild an entire database, not to overwrite data
in
 tables. If you really need the empty all the tables in a schema, disable
 the constraints on the tables, truncate them, and reenable the
 constraints. This will only work if the schema is self contained, and
it's
 tables are not used as a foreign key for a table in a different schema.
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 IIRC, there is a flag for import "destroy=y" to do what you want.  This
is
 very dangerous and you should research all the implications before trying
 it.  If you don't have the docs, try http://technet.oracle.com and read
up
 on the import options.

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  Hi All,
   I want to import data from a user dump file but when i import data, i
  want
  to overwrite the existing data . Normally imp utility append data to
  existing rows. Requirement of application is such  that we need to
  overwrite existing data  without  dropping objects and its dependent
  objects. Is it possible with exp , imp utilities or  i have to delete
 data
  first and then import  using imp utility.
  Is there any other possibility...
  Environment Oracle8i, Windows NT4
  TIA
 
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Is terminal release of 8.0.x still supported?

2001-03-28 Thread Cherie_Machler


We have some 8.0.4 databases running on Sun Solaris.
I believe that 8.0.4 has been desupported as of December 31, 2000.
We are unable to upgrade one of our apps at this time that is
running on an 8.0.4 database.

Is the terminal release of 8.0.x still supported?  If yes, what is
that terminal release?  Is it 8.0.7?   How long before that terminal
release will be desupported (if it is currently supported)?

Thanks,

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Re: New born DBA.....

2001-03-28 Thread Thater, William

Sinardy Xing wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I am a new DBA, can you please tell me what are the common task list as DBA
 for Oracle8i on Solaris 7. I mean things that I should do and check
 regularly.
 I know backup is one of them.

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Re: LOB ?

2001-03-28 Thread Gene Sais

Thank you Winnie.  Thats exactly what I was looking for!

Gene

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I am not quite sure that you can reference a LOB in a remote database
through a database link. You are very likely to get the ORA-22992 error
when you attempt to do so.

22992, 0, "cannot use LOB locators selected from remote tables"
// *Cause:  A remote LOB column cannot be referenced.
// *Action:  Remove references to LOBs in remote tables.

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LOB question?

Can you have db A have a view w/ db link reference to db B blob data type?

I think so, but not 100% sure.  The reason I ask is I have a 3rd party
app that wants to move 500gb worth of images to a remote db, but have the
current db
reference it as if it was in the same db through a view.  Thanks for any
blob insight the list can offer.

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RE: What is best practice - differenet schema/different dbs

2001-03-28 Thread Lanteigne, Mike

Hi Doug , (and all) ,

Just curious - the PS environment, do you put finance and HR on the same DB?
Do you share the sysadm user? I'm new to this PS stuff, so this interests
me. Also, in production, do you have the PS databases separated from the
other OLTP databases? 

Thanks

Mike Lanteigne

 



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 Subject:  Re:What is best practice - differenet schema/different dbs
 
 Rao,
 
 I'm going to differ from a previous return post.  I think that you
 should
 use different schema's with separate tablespaces.  Why?  Because your all
 on one
 machine therefore all of your background Oracle processes are competing
 for the
 same CPU, memory, and IO resources which can and does slow matters down
 significantly.  The best bet in my experience is one large DB instance
 with a
 very large SGA, particularly in the DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS area.  We've tried
 both
 approaches with our PeopleSoft development environments and this works
 much
 better than multiple instances.  Way too much background CPU  Memory burn
 not
 to mention all of the wasted disk space for multiple system, temp, rbs,
 and
 other tablespaces.  It really dings the IO too.  BTW: with each schema in
 it's
 own tablespace(s) you can still take one offline without crashing the
 others,
 unless you need to take system or rbs offline.
 
 Dick Goulet
 
 
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Re: changing db_block_size

2001-03-28 Thread djordjej

To change the block size you have to recreate the database.

How you are going to copy the data that's another issue.  You can use full
database export/import (pretty long downtime, or problems with data
consistency) or you can do a live copy.  More on a live copy you can see in:
Venkat S. Devraj, Oracle 24x7 Tips  Techniques, Osborne Press, 2000.  I am
currently working on a similar project (live database migration).  I will
present some results at IOUG if you are there.

Djordje

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 all,

 I would like to change the db_block_size (currently 2048) of our
production
 database and would be interested in hearing from those that have done this
on a
 not so small database.  This is our oracle financials/manufacturing server
and
 is about 30GB in size.  Did you recreate the database using imp/exp or
another
 method?

 Running Oracle 8.0.5 on Sun Solaris 7.

 thanks in advance...roy

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RE: Issues with Oracle on a Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster

2001-03-28 Thread Jay Hostetter

Lee,

  Be sure to check the alerts on Metalink for Tru64 (Product Lifecycle, Alerts).  
There are OS level patches requried for nonclustered systems.  See Note 132391.1.





Jay Hostetter
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Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested itself
on non-clustered setups ?

We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system.

As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the
instructions.

Regards

Lee


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RE: Import comma-delimited text file into Oracle

2001-03-28 Thread Richard Ji

Or you can write a program in (C, Perl, Java, etc) to parse the file and do
inserts.

Richard

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Hi!

Is SQL*Loader the only way to move the contents of a comma-delimited ASCII
file into Oracle? UTL_FILE would be another option, right?

Or are there any other ways to do this?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k.

Thanks,
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RE: New born DBA.....

2001-03-28 Thread Hillman, Alex

Also there is a book by Heidi Thorpe Oracle 8I Tuning and Administration
where there is a big chapter about database monitoring.

Alex Hillman

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start by reading the administrators guide and welcome to the
world(Dr
DBA slaps the bottom side of the newborn) :)

joe
Sinardy Xing wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I am a new DBA, can you please tell me what are the common task
list as DBA
 for Oracle8i on Solaris 7. I mean things that I should do and
check
 regularly.
 I know backup is one of them.
 
 Thank you
 
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several peoplesoft databases (schemas) in one Oracle database

2001-03-28 Thread Hillman, Alex

Can anybody give me pro and con for having let say several Peoplesoft
schemas in the same database versus in different databases. Should objects
of different schemas be in the same tablespaces or every schema should have
it's own set of tablespaces etc. 

Alex Hillman

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Metalink customer satisfaction surveys

2001-03-28 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Have any of you received one of those lately?

I remember last year they used to check with us to see whether we were happy
with the service, but I have received nothing in a long time.

Someone soft closed one of my TARs, saying he had sent me the information I
requested, but I can't find anything in my e-mail folders re. that TAR.

I got the notices telling me the TAR has been updated, but I didn't receive
the information the tech says he sent me -- at least I can't find it
anywhere.

My question was re. how we can secure the OEM, i.e. how to ensure that the
OEM the DBAs use will be the only one in use to access our databases.
What's to stop a developer or an end user from downloading the OEM for free,
then using it to send jobs to the databases using the intelligent agents?
Nothing, as far as I can see, if we go with the default configurations.

I would very much like to see the guidelines I requested re. securing the
OEM...

I updated the TAR myself, maybe they will "un-soft-close" it.  

There is someone from Oracle development group on the ODTUG listserv, I sure
wish there was someone from customer support or from the Oracle engineers
group on this listserv.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
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RE: New born DBA.....

2001-03-28 Thread Ben Poels

Here is a quick list:

Daily checks
- Oracle Alert file logs
- system resources
- backups
- archive logs
- error logs

Weekly checks
- free space in Tablespaces, Tables, Indexes and Clusters

Monthly checks
- fragmentation in Tables, Indexes and Clusters

Ben Poels
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Hi guys,


I am a new DBA, can you please tell me what are the common task list as DBA
for Oracle8i on Solaris 7. I mean things that I should do and check
regularly.
I know backup is one of them.




Thank you


Sinardy
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Re: RMAN

2001-03-28 Thread Ruth Gramolini

I put mine right before I do an archivelog backup, which I do at the end of
my level 0 and level 1 backups.

But if I was not doing an archivelog backup I would not even archive my
current log because there would be no reason to do so,.

HTH,
Ruth
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 Dear DBAs,

 I found this RMAN command on Oracle8i Backup Recovery documentation. This
is
 used to backup all data files and controlfiles.

 run {
 allocate channel ch1 type disk;
 backup database;
 sql 'ALTER SYSTEM ARCHIVE LOG CURRENT'; # archives current redo log
 sql 'ALTER SYSTEM ARCHIVE LOG ALL'; # archives all un-archived redo logs
 }

 My question is, why they put sql commands to archives current redo log and
 unarchived redo logs, after the "backup database" command? Why not before
 the "backup database" command? Will RMAN execute it as a transaction for
all
 commands in curly bracket?

 TIA

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Backup Advice.

2001-03-28 Thread Mark Leith

Hi there :)

After a rather interesting start of my week, I have a question for you about
the backup of local PC test databases.

Rant

At the end of last week I deleted my current test database along with all
Oracle files, and went for a fresh install, due to having some rather
interesting ora-600's and a corrupted SYSTEM datafile! Now that was fun to
say the least I can tell you!

I then went on to try and install Oracle again from a copy of 8.1.6 for
Windows NT/2000, which was downloaded from technet, and burned on to a cd,
to save disk space.. I had originally installed 8.1.6  from this download,
but when I went to decompress the files from the zip, on the CD, I had
corruption on the CD!!

Now, I dreamed of corrupted datafiles, corrupted CD's, even corrupted
politicians over the weekend, and came in early this week to start
downloading 8.1.7 (The only bonus in this little story:) which is in fact a
download of 584mb. This is now STILL downloading right now at a rate of
4.5kbs, and is scheduled to finish in 17hours, and 37 minutes :( What a joy
it is to have to download these extraordinarily huge files over a 56k modem.
Even ADSL isn't available here until September..

\Rant

The point? Well, I was wondering what you guys do out there to backup any
local PC test databases you may have? I have no tape to backup too, and no
real experience with backup or recovery situations. I have never backed up
Oracle either :)

The databases are all pretty static, as we just load up some data exported
from our Access tracking system. The database is pretty much used for QA of
our performance tools.

What files should I backup first of all?
There is no real need to have this database running in ARCHIVELOG MODE is
there?
Also, where would you reccomend backing up to? CD (aahhemmm!!), network
drives, seperate directory?

I'm really just trying to avoid the fun and games I've had this week, any
advice?

Thanks guys

Mark



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RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN?

2001-03-28 Thread Hand, Michael T

Thanks for the heads up.
We are also planning upgrades from 40F to 5.1 nonclustered with Oracle
8.0.6.  Has anyone considered or implemented Compaq's SAN architecture?

Mike Hand
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Lee,

  Be sure to check the alerts on Metalink for Tru64 (Product Lifecycle,
Alerts).  There are OS level patches requried for nonclustered systems.  See
Note 132391.1.





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Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested itself
on non-clustered setups ?

We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system.

As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the
instructions.

Regards

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Re: Oracle variables; LD_LIBRARY_PATH TNS_ADMIN

2001-03-28 Thread Rodd Holman

Oracle, by default, uses $ORACLE_HOME/network/admin to stor the tnsnames.ora, 
sqlnet.ora, listener.ora, snmpro.ora and snmprw.ora files for configuration 
of the Net8 services.  If you declare a TNS_ADMIN variable oracle will use 
that location for these files.  It allows you to keep your networking config 
files separate from the oracle distribution files.  Example:  On our 
development machines we have multiple oracle homes of diferent versions 
8.0.x, 8.1.7, etc.  All these versions use the same TNS files from a 
directory under the $ORACLE_BASE.  Our setup is:
/usr/oracle
admin
common
SID
product
8.0.5.1
8.1.7
jre
oui
oraInventory
network
admin
log
trace
We then use the 8.1.7 listener and OEM agent against all db's.  We have one 
sqlnet.ora and tnsnames.ora configuration for all instances on the machine.  
One place for log and trace files for TNS issues.  It makes administration 
easier.

The LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a variable that tells applications working with the 
oracle client where the oracle libraries are.  It is version dependent and 
should be set with the oraenv.  Normally it is $ORACLE_HOME/lib.

If you are not using oraenv then you need to make sure that it is exported 
before you start doing your oracle stuff.  All of this assumes that you are 
working with oracle on a Unix machine.

The discussion applies to NT also except these variables are specified in the 
registry under \\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Oracle

HTH

On Wednesday 28 March 2001 04:00, you wrote:
 Hello,


 I need some clarification. What is the significance of the Oracle
 variables, TNS_ADMIN  LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

 When are the 2 used or what effects what in the environment?

 Also please if some one knows how do I monitor an Oracle Parallel Server?
 Any good book where I can read about OPS?

 Regards,

 Raja




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RE: What is best practice - differenet schema/different dbs

2001-03-28 Thread Gene Sais

Just my $.02.  I agree separate tbs for different app schema's.  However, I would 
separate applications to their own db, especially if they are 3rd party apps.  You 
have much less control on COTS.  Some run their install scripts as sys.  I don't agree 
w/ it, but I am not going to rewrite their code, too many impt things to do.  The 
additional db resources required for separate databases for different apps is worth 
it.  If management wants more apps, then you tell them to buy more hardware.   Now if 
you have complete control of all the apps (i.e. you develop them), then maybe I would 
put them in the same db.  Big maybe :)

Gene

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Hi Doug , (and all) ,

Just curious - the PS environment, do you put finance and HR on the same DB?
Do you share the sysadm user? I'm new to this PS stuff, so this interests
me. Also, in production, do you have the PS databases separated from the
other OLTP databases? 

Thanks

Mike Lanteigne

 



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 Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:56 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re:What is best practice - differenet schema/different dbs
 
 Rao,
 
 I'm going to differ from a previous return post.  I think that you
 should
 use different schema's with separate tablespaces.  Why?  Because your all
 on one
 machine therefore all of your background Oracle processes are competing
 for the
 same CPU, memory, and IO resources which can and does slow matters down
 significantly.  The best bet in my experience is one large DB instance
 with a
 very large SGA, particularly in the DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS area.  We've tried
 both
 approaches with our PeopleSoft development environments and this works
 much
 better than multiple instances.  Way too much background CPU  Memory burn
 not
 to mention all of the wasted disk space for multiple system, temp, rbs,
 and
 other tablespaces.  It really dings the IO too.  BTW: with each schema in
 it's
 own tablespace(s) you can still take one offline without crashing the
 others,
 unless you need to take system or rbs offline.
 
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Re[2]: changing db_block_size

2001-03-28 Thread dgoulet

Joe,

No flame.  There are other methods of doing the job, but the work!!! 
Spooling all the data out to comma delimited files, creating all those DDL
scripts!!  You'd have to be a masochist or else into some HEAVY re-engineering!

Dick Goulet

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last i checked that was your only choice, anyone like to flame me for
that statement :)

joe
Roy Ferguson wrote:
 
 all,
 
 I would like to change the db_block_size (currently 2048) of our production
 database and would be interested in hearing from those that have done this on
a
 not so small database.  This is our oracle financials/manufacturing server and
 is about 30GB in size.  Did you recreate the database using imp/exp or another
 method?
 
 Running Oracle 8.0.5 on Sun Solaris 7.
 
 thanks in advance...roy

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Is there any Access user group?

2001-03-28 Thread Roland . Skoldblom

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Opinions on this book...

2001-03-28 Thread Rocky Welch

Hi Gang,
Happy Wednesday! Has anyone read this book? I'm interested in what you
thought of it.

Thanks,

-Rocky

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Re: OFF TOPIC: java servlet service provider

2001-03-28 Thread plomax

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RE: New born DBA.....

2001-03-28 Thread Mark Leith

You could also download and use the following checklists which are always
handy to refer to when starting up:

http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc
http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf

Good luck on that HUGE rollercoaster of a learning curve ORACLE!!

HTH

Mark

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Sinardy Xing wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I am a new DBA, can you please tell me what are the common task list as
DBA
 for Oracle8i on Solaris 7. I mean things that I should do and check
 regularly.
 I know backup is one of them.

shameless plug

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lots and lots of other good stuff.  and you can always ask one of the
authors questions right here on the list.;-)
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Re:Using Profiles to Force Users off After Inactivity

2001-03-28 Thread dgoulet

Ian,

From what I've seen on 8.1.6  8.1.7 it still does the non immediate kill
changing the session status from active/inactive to sniped, but it does release
locks a whole lot faster.

Dick Goulet

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Has this been improved in 8i.  When the time has expired does it still issue

alter system kill session 'sid,serial#';

or does it now  issue

alter system kill session 'sid,serial#' immediate;


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Re: changing db_block_size

2001-03-28 Thread Joseph Testa

I'd be interested in seeing that presentation, when are you presenting?

I'll be there doing the logminer thing on tuesday late afternoon, last 
session before BIG BASH.

thanks, joe



To change the block size you have to recreate the database.

How you are going to copy the data that's another issue.  You can use full
database export/import (pretty long downtime, or problems with data
consistency) or you can do a live copy.  More on a live copy you can see 
in:
Venkat S. Devraj, Oracle 24x7 Tips  Techniques, Osborne Press, 2000.  I am
currently working on a similar project (live database migration).  I will
present some results at IOUG if you are there.

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  all,
 
  I would like to change the db_block_size (currently 2048) of our
production
  database and would be interested in hearing from those that have done 
this
on a
  not so small database.  This is our oracle financials/manufacturing 
server
and
  is about 30GB in size.  Did you recreate the database using imp/exp or
another
  method?
 
  Running Oracle 8.0.5 on Sun Solaris 7.
 
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Intermedia violates own constraint.

2001-03-28 Thread Morten Primdahl


Hi. I had some problems with getting Intermedia to work after patching
to
8.1.7. I got a

ORA-04045: errors during recompilation/revalidation of CTXSYS.CONTEXT
ORA-29835: ODCIGETINTERFACES routine does not return required
interface(s)

When trying to create an index. Searched Metalink, and eventually
found document 1327325 where the workaround is stated to be

spool recompile1.sql 
select 'alter package '||owner||'.'||object_name||' compile;' 
from dba_objects 
where object_type='PACKAGE' 
and status='INVALID' 
and owner in('ORDSYS','CTXSYS'); 
spool off;
@recompile1.sql

I applied this, but when I try to create the index now, I get

SQL CREATE INDEX ccs_search_index
  ON ccs_search(content)
  INDEXTYPE IS ctxsys.context PARAMETERS('section group
ccs_search_group');  23  
CREATE INDEX ccs_search_index
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-29855: error occurred in the execution of ODCIINDEXCREATE routine
ORA-2: interMedia Text error:
ORA-1: unique constraint (CTXSYS.DRC$IDX_COLSPEC) violated
ORA-06512: at "CTXSYS.DRUE", line 122
ORA-06512: at "CTXSYS.TEXTINDEXMETHODS", line 34
ORA-06512: at line 1

It seems to me, that intermedia tries to index into an existing table,
and failes because it has lost track of it's own sequence? I'm just
guessing
here and could really use a few tips to get this thing working. Thanks,

Morten

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RE: 'Event Group Latch'

2001-03-28 Thread Mohan, Ross
Title: RE: 'Event Group Latch'





Thanks, Connor!


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Tom Kyte (asktom.oracle.com) kindly posted me a reply
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interested, the description is below


Cheers
Connor


-- START QUOTE
Event Group Latch


Usage
This latch is used during the following operations : 
An alter system set events.. command. 
During process startup where the process copies the
events stored in the 
System event group to its Process event group. 



Event Groups


Events are considered to exist in either the process,
session or system group. 
The differences are outlined below : 


System Group 
The event tree is built in the SGA and is derived from
the settings of the 
instance parameter event. It can also be modified by
using the command alter 
system set events 


Process Group 
These are initialised at process startup time via the
instance parameter 
event. When the process starts up we copy the event
tree that we have stored 
in the System Group. The event tree is built in the
PGA. 


Session Group 
These are events that are modified dynamically via the
alter session command. 
When we perform event checking we check the session
group events before those of 
the process group. The event tree is built in the UGA.


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Real Workstation Requirements

2001-03-28 Thread William Beilstein

My firm is currently using Oracle Applications 10.7SC and are in the planning stage 
for 11i. I have been tasked with finding the Workstation requirements for 11i. The 
Workstations will be running Windows 2000 with Microsoft Office, email client and a 
number of smaller financial applications. I know that jinitator takes a lot of memory 
and processor speed to run. Oracle always specifies the absolute minimum requirements 
for the workstation. I am looking for some real world recommendations for hard drive 
sizing, memory, processor speed, processor type (Celeron, Pentium...). We don't want 
the absolute minimum, but allow some room for future growth. Any help would be very 
much appreciated.

William Beilstein.

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Re: Someone changed INTERNAL password URGENT

2001-03-28 Thread chandan

Hi Alex,
   Are you sure in Unix you do not need password for internal if you 
are member of DBA group ?

-- neena

"Hillman, Alex" wrote:

 If you are on unix - you do not need internal password if you log in as
 member of dba group. On NT before 8.1 you need internal password but you can
 change it recreating password file or recreating instance using oradim.

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 URGENT,

 Someone changed the internal password. How do you connnect or change
 the
 internal password, if not able to find it?

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Slightly off topic SFTP

2001-03-28 Thread James Howerton

DBA's,

Has anyone been able to automate secure ftp "sftp"?  

I have several cron jobs that move an ascii file from one box to annother via cron 
jobs  shell scripts.  The security gestapo is now making us use ssh and sftp. I 
haven't been able to figure out the syntax to get sftp automated.

Suggestions?

TIA

...JIM...

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RE: Real Workstation Requirements

2001-03-28 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

I would say no Celeron processor for sure, I would go with PIII's 500 or
above, minimum 128 RAM 256 would be better, at least a 10 gig hd.  We use
Dell Optiplex workstations, most of them are 500's and we don't run into any
problems, most of them have 10 to 20 gig hd's and 256 mb's of RAM.
Kev

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My firm is currently using Oracle Applications 10.7SC and are in the
planning stage for 11i. I have been tasked with finding the Workstation
requirements for 11i. The Workstations will be running Windows 2000 with
Microsoft Office, email client and a number of smaller financial
applications. I know that jinitator takes a lot of memory and processor
speed to run. Oracle always specifies the absolute minimum requirements for
the workstation. I am looking for some real world recommendations for hard
drive sizing, memory, processor speed, processor type (Celeron, Pentium...).
We don't want the absolute minimum, but allow some room for future growth.
Any help would be very much appreciated.

William Beilstein.

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Re: New born DBA.....

2001-03-28 Thread plomax

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RE: Opinions on this book...

2001-03-28 Thread Jefferson, Dean

I have W. Baird's book, "Oracle OCP". Unless there is a newer edition out it
only covers Oracle 7.x, not 8 or 8i. I used it to help me pass the first OCP
exam, SQL and PL/SQL. It was adequate for that if you also have considerable
SQL experience with Oracle or other DBMS's.

For the second exam, Database Admin, it was less than adequate because it
did not cover Oracle 8 features. It was even worse for Bacup and Recovery
because it did not cover RMAN. 

There are better OCP books out there. If you want my copy of Baird's, I'll
give it to you for shipping cost, but I'd recommend the following book
instead for DBA certification exam preparation: "Oracle8i Certified
Professional DBA Certification Exam Guide" (With CD-ROM) by Ulrike Schwinn,
Jason S. Couchman, Jeremy Judson

I have been using the Oracle8 version, better for the OCP exams, but more
importantly it contains a lot more useful information a DBA needs on the
job.

Dean Jefferson
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Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Thomas Jeff
Title: Standard vs Enterprise Edition





Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the Standard 
edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de facto 
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise.


If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would appreciate if
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matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not overlooking anything.


Thanks,
Jeff T
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Re:several peoplesoft databases (schemas) in one Oracle data

2001-03-28 Thread dgoulet

Alex,

We've done both.  Is there a down side, yes on both counts.

With multiple Peoplesoft schema's your tablespaces need to be bigger, like
initial size times number of schema's plus fudge factor.  Also you can get IO
bound on certain tablespaces, like PSINDEX real fast.  You really can't have
separate tablespaces for each schema without doing a LOT of work.  You can have
separate index tablespaces without too much work though.

With multiple instances your system, redo, temp, etc.. disk consumption
rises by the number of instances, semaphores and semaphore sets need
maintenance, memory needs rise more than you'd believe, and system response time
in general drops radically.  It's a lot more pain with upgrades, patches, etc.
since db links really run between instances instead of doing a loopback
(Peoplesoft also ships a synonym script incase you go the non multiple instance
route which really works better).

Which way do you want to go, depends on your needs and resources. 
PeopleSoft developers and the like will buck you on having multiple schema's in
one instance which I blame on PeopleSoft training, it's bad on this subject. 
I'd recommend a separate instance for Production and QA/TEST.  Development, Demo
and AUD can easily reside in the same instance.

Dick Goulet

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Can anybody give me pro and con for having let say several Peoplesoft
schemas in the same database versus in different databases. Should objects
of different schemas be in the same tablespaces or every schema should have
it's own set of tablespaces etc. 

Alex Hillman

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RE: Is there any Access user group?

2001-03-28 Thread Haskins, Ed

Access User Groups...

Sure, most High Schools have Groups that meet to discuss such things...I
think they call them Clubs though!  I've heard they provide some really neat
technical discussions like..."How to Convert your Parents Paper-based
Contact List into Access"..."Access 2000: Breaking the 10MB Barrier".

Sorry for the sarcasm...I just couldn't resist!

Ed Haskins
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Re: Metalink customer satisfaction surveys

2001-03-28 Thread James Howerton

I had a call from Oracle Support about three weeks ago for a telephone  Metalink 
customer satisfaction survey. What an opportunity;-)...  I let them know it was 
unusably slow, inconsistent (call something the samething throughout what a concept), 
can't fing basic things like patches, no response on an iTAR for two or three days 
while the controller was off, etc, etc, etc.  It was fun but I don't think the caller 
liked it very much. So far I don't see any improvement!!!

...JIM...

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Have any of you received one of those lately?

I remember last year they used to check with us to see whether we were happy
with the service, but I have received nothing in a long time.

Someone soft closed one of my TARs, saying he had sent me the information I
requested, but I can't find anything in my e-mail folders re. that TAR.

I got the notices telling me the TAR has been updated, but I didn't receive
the information the tech says he sent me -- at least I can't find it
anywhere.

My question was re. how we can secure the OEM, i.e. how to ensure that the
OEM the DBAs use will be the only one in use to access our databases.
What's to stop a developer or an end user from downloading the OEM for free,
then using it to send jobs to the databases using the intelligent agents?
Nothing, as far as I can see, if we go with the default configurations.

I would very much like to see the guidelines I requested re. securing the
OEM...

I updated the TAR myself, maybe they will "un-soft-close" it.  

There is someone from Oracle development group on the ODTUG listserv, I sure
wish there was someone from customer support or from the Oracle engineers
group on this listserv.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
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RE: sqlplus

2001-03-28 Thread Bala, Prakash

Ravindra, try using 'trunc' on your group by clause. 

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Can we use the group by clause on a date column.I am written a query to get
a count(*) of records with a group by clause on the date column and with
date
b/w two specified dates.but the query just keep executing w/o  giving any
o/p
or errors.The date field will also have the timestamp.Will this be a
problem.

I also tried with using the to_char but no success.

How do i get the o/p.

EX:The requirement is like say in a table with phone call info we want to
display the count of call made b/w two dates in a month and grouped by
date.

Thanks

Ravindra


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Re: parallel server; ops setup

2001-03-28 Thread Leng Kaing

Hi,

I'm in digest mode, so here's reply to those OPS questions...

I don't think you can set up OPS without a hardware cluster. In fact,
if you don't turn on the Lock manager at the os level the Oracle
installer won't even show OPS as an installation option!


As for other other question re. converting a single instance db to
ops... well, you'd be interested to know that to create an ops db I
actually create a single instance db first, then do the following:

1. add new threads, ie. a thread per instance
2. shutdown 1st instance
3. create new init.ora for new instances
4. ensure that parallel_server=true. note this is 8i
5. startup all instances

All of the above of course assumes that you have set up the hardware
and installed ops as someone else has pointed out.

HTH,

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Hardware cluster...i mean just an evaluation of
parallel server ...if yes then how??/

Adnan



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RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn
Title: Standard vs Enterprise Edition



We 
also have a client that wants to use Standard because it is less 
expensive. I tried to install 8.1.6 SE on an NT server that already had EE 
on it. I made it a multihomed machine but ran into a problem with a 
dll. Seems to be a known bug, needless to say, it might have ruined my 
installation of Veritas Backup Exec, just thought I would mention it. I 
have been getting some very strange errors on the machine since I installed, I 
think I will move it to an empty machine. As far as the differences are 
concerned, i don't know yet.
Kev

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  ORACLE-LSubject: Standard vs Enterprise 
Edition
  Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we 
  are looking at the use of the Standard edition to save . In fact, our management may even make 
  Standard the de facto standard 
  while requiring justification for Enterprise. 
  If anyone is currently using Standard, or 
  has experience with it, I would appreciate if can you tell me what I lose by moving to 
  Standard. I've perused the features comparision matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to 
  ensure I'm not overlooking anything. 
  Thanks,Jeff T [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re:Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread dgoulet

Jeff,

Yes we use Standard and Enterprise.  Do you lose some things, yes.  Does it
matter, depends on the application.  In our case we could work around those
restrictions without problems.  Otherwise it's a good ploy to save a buck.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Thomas Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   3/28/2001 7:36 AM

Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the
Standard 
edition to save .  In fact, our management may even make Standard the de
facto 
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise.

If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would
appreciate if
can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard.  I've perused the
features comparision 
matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not
overlooking anything.

Thanks,
Jeff T
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OFFTOPIC RE: sqlplus

2001-03-28 Thread Mohan, Ross
Title: OFFTOPIC RE: sqlplus





This post would have been ALOT funnier, if Ravindra's 
name was, instead, Ganesh. 



(Sorry about all you folks that don't like Hindu Mythology based
puns.)


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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:26 AM
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Subject: RE: sqlplus



Ravindra, try using 'trunc' on your group by clause. 


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Can we use the group by clause on a date column.I am written a query to get
a count(*) of records with a group by clause on the date column and with
date
b/w two specified dates.but the query just keep executing w/o giving any
o/p
or errors.The date field will also have the timestamp.Will this be a
problem.


I also tried with using the to_char but no success.


How do i get the o/p.


EX:The requirement is like say in a table with phone call info we want to
display the count of call made b/w two dates in a month and grouped by
date.


Thanks


Ravindra



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Error: Failure to get normalized flag.

2001-03-28 Thread JSigurdson


We batch load data into an application called Oracle Clinical.
The batch load failed and gave the error: "Error: Failure to get normalized
flag."

Could low tablespace indirectly cause this error?

Any help/ suggestions would be appreciated.



Jenah Sigurdson


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Re: Backup Advice.

2001-03-28 Thread Ron Rogers

Mark,
 I might suggest that you look into a "Ghost" product for making an image of your PC. 
I "ghost" my pc and keep the image on the network where it is backed up each night and 
stored on tape. If I have problems with my PC I load the image to the second drive and 
I have access to all of the original files.
My 2 bits.
ROR  mm

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Hi there :)

After a rather interesting start of my week, I have a question for you about
the backup of local PC test databases.

Rant

At the end of last week I deleted my current test database along with all
Oracle files, and went for a fresh install, due to having some rather
interesting ora-600's and a corrupted SYSTEM datafile! Now that was fun to
say the least I can tell you!

I then went on to try and install Oracle again from a copy of 8.1.6 for
Windows NT/2000, which was downloaded from technet, and burned on to a cd,
to save disk space.. I had originally installed 8.1.6  from this download,
but when I went to decompress the files from the zip, on the CD, I had
corruption on the CD!!

Now, I dreamed of corrupted datafiles, corrupted CD's, even corrupted
politicians over the weekend, and came in early this week to start
downloading 8.1.7 (The only bonus in this little story:) which is in fact a
download of 584mb. This is now STILL downloading right now at a rate of
4.5kbs, and is scheduled to finish in 17hours, and 37 minutes :( What a joy
it is to have to download these extraordinarily huge files over a 56k modem.
Even ADSL isn't available here until September..

\Rant

The point? Well, I was wondering what you guys do out there to backup any
local PC test databases you may have? I have no tape to backup too, and no
real experience with backup or recovery situations. I have never backed up
Oracle either :)

The databases are all pretty static, as we just load up some data exported
from our Access tracking system. The database is pretty much used for QA of
our performance tools.

What files should I backup first of all?
There is no real need to have this database running in ARCHIVELOG MODE is
there?
Also, where would you reccomend backing up to? CD (aahhemmm!!), network
drives, seperate directory?

I'm really just trying to avoid the fun and games I've had this week, any
advice?

Thanks guys

Mark



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Response times with different multiblock read count

2001-03-28 Thread Prasada . Gunda1


Hi All,

I am running a test query with different db_file_multiblock_read_count to test the 
overall throughput.

environment: oracle 8.1.6 on hp-ux v11
db_block_size  : 16k
system is using LVM and file system is using buffered I/O and disk is mirrored but not 
stripped.

I was expecting that having larger multiblock count would result in better 
performance. But, when I was testing the query with smaller multiblock
count,the response time is better.

Here is the testing result.

Multiblock time in Secs
-- 
1   12.5   better
2  12.5   better
4  12.6   better
8  27 bad
16 27 bad
32 18.6   okay
64 19.0   okay

I don't understand why 8,16 are taking longer time.
I did make sure that oracle is issuing proper multiblock read count with the help of 
multiblock_read_test.sql which is available in Steve Adams's
site. Thank you steve for providing valuable information  scripts on your web site.

select statement that I am using is,
select /*+ full(t) noparallel(t) nocache(t) */ count(*) from Table t;

I am clueless why it is behaving like this. Please pass your suggestions.
If you need more info like oracle/OS settings etc, please let me know.

When I was doing some reading on steve adam's site, he suggests the following.

Date: 29-Dec-2000 20:55
Nevertheless, it remains best to allow Oracle to use large multiblock reads, as long 
as the optimizer is not doing
inappropriate full scans. The explanation relates to the system call and context 
switch overheads associated with I/O.
It is cheaper in CPU usage terms to request a 256K I/O and allow the operating system 
to service it in 64K chunks,
than to request 4 I/O's of 64K each. As is mentioned in the tip on Why Large 
Multiblock Reads, the increased
latency is not an issue because multiblock reads should not be used in cases where 
"first rows" response time is
critical.


Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Prasad

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RE: SQLCode in 8i

2001-03-28 Thread Bala, Prakash

Regina, try sqldbcode. This will give the exact Oracle return code.

Prakash

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We have a number of Powerbuilder applications for which we have been using 
the SQLCode returned from a sql statement execution to determine the next 
action, depending on if the statement failed (SQLCode  0), didn't return 
any rows (SQLCode = 100) or successfully returned data (SQLCode = 0).  We 
upgraded to 8.1.6 two weeks ago, and just discovered that, outside of an 
exception block, SQLCode now always returns 0.  Do any of you know a way to 
return to the old codes, or make it treat Powerbuilder like an exception 
block, or know of some other code we could use to gather this information?

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RE: Is terminal release of 8.0.x still supported?

2001-03-28 Thread Kimberly Smith

The terminal release of Oracle8 is 8.0.6.  Not sure of the desupport
date, even though I have 4 databases running it.  I really don't worry
to much about the desupport date.  As a general rule if it ain't broke
I don't fix it.  Granted we are going to 8.1.7 on most of them but that
is to get a lot of the new features that will help in the development
side of things.  Don't forget that desupport just means that they will
not fix new bugs, not that you can't call on existing issues.

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We have some 8.0.4 databases running on Sun Solaris.
I believe that 8.0.4 has been desupported as of December 31, 2000.
We are unable to upgrade one of our apps at this time that is
running on an 8.0.4 database.

Is the terminal release of 8.0.x still supported?  If yes, what is
that terminal release?  Is it 8.0.7?   How long before that terminal
release will be desupported (if it is currently supported)?

Thanks,

Cherie Machler
Gelco Information Network

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RE: What is best practice - differenet schema/different dbs

2001-03-28 Thread Lanteigne, Mike

Actually I meant Dick, nor Doug, sorry

Mike


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 Hi Doug , (and all) ,
 
 Just curious - the PS environment, do you put finance and HR on the same
 DB?
 Do you share the sysadm user? I'm new to this PS stuff, so this interests
 me. Also, in production, do you have the PS databases separated from the
 other OLTP databases? 
 
 Thanks
 
 Mike Lanteigne
 
  
 
 
 
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  Rao,
  
  I'm going to differ from a previous return post.  I think that you
  should
  use different schema's with separate tablespaces.  Why?  Because your
 all
  on one
  machine therefore all of your background Oracle processes are competing
  for the
  same CPU, memory, and IO resources which can and does slow matters down
  significantly.  The best bet in my experience is one large DB instance
  with a
  very large SGA, particularly in the DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS area.  We've tried
  both
  approaches with our PeopleSoft development environments and this works
  much
  better than multiple instances.  Way too much background CPU  Memory
 burn
  not
  to mention all of the wasted disk space for multiple system, temp, rbs,
  and
  other tablespaces.  It really dings the IO too.  BTW: with each schema
 in
  it's
  own tablespace(s) you can still take one offline without crashing the
  others,
  unless you need to take system or rbs offline.
  
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Re: Support rational

2001-03-28 Thread Joseph Testa


well the concept of support is you pay for it and it covers all versions(at 
leats until desupported which seems quick nowadays).

hence the concept of "free" version upgrades :)

joe


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I'm kind'a thinkin' out loud on this one.  but suppose we have say 3
servers, with 8.1.7 Standard edition, is there any point in paying for
Oracle support for all 3 or having problems with "any" one of them logged
via one support package.  Where are the gotcha's on this line of thinking
(I'll hope there are some!)?

For those who have differnet versions of Oracle on same site do ye all take
support for each flavour/version/server of Oracle
or use one to cover for version groups etc.?

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RE: A Basic PL/SQL Question

2001-03-28 Thread Miller, Jay

Another option is to create a table with a large varchar2 column and insert
the data row by row.
You can then spool a SELECT from that table to a file.

e.g.
create table hold_output
(mytext varchar2(4000)
tablespace ts_small;

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Hi,

This is my first attempt at writing a PL/SQL procedure. Everything works
fine, except I have a firly large table I am running against. I am trying to
display my output with DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE. I have set the buffer size to
100, apparently the maximum value, but it still isn't enough to print
output for my entire table. Is there another way to display data? Or is
there some way to increase the maximum?


Bill Carle
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Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread TCarlson


We use it for all of our small, under 10 gig, NT databases (at last count
we had 13). Many of the features of Enterprise are just not needed for
these systems because the user/data volume is small and we are not using
replication or fine-grain access control. All of the 3rd party applications
(except SAP) on site have been coded for standard. These 3rd party vendors
don't have good DBAs on staff either, but that is a different topic.
List - Is that your experience also?


Todd Carlson
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Bunge Corporation


   
   
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Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the
Standard
edition to save .  In fact, our management may even make Standard the
de facto
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise.


If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would
appreciate if
can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard.  I've perused the
features comparision
matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not
overlooking anything.


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Re: Problems with export/import

2001-03-28 Thread Winnie_Liu


Maybe there are several things you want to check on your table in database
B

1) Do you have any trigger on that table?
2) Do you have any foreign key constraints on that table?
3) Is that table structure the same on 2 databases?

Winnie




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Hi!

I'm having weird problems with exporting/importing tables...

First I run an export on database A

About to export specified tables via Conventional Path ...
Table(T) or Partition(T:P) to be exported: (RETURN to quit)  tbclocktimes

. . exporting table   TBCLOCKTIMES   2929 rows exported

The exports terminates successfully without warnings.

Then I want to import that dump file into database B, but it fails:

. importing VIVOUSER's objects into VIVOUSER
. . importing table "TBCLOCKTIMES"
IMP-00058: ORACLE error 1403 encountered
ORA-01403: no data found

Any idea what's going wrong?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k

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RE: SQLCode in 8i

2001-03-28 Thread Regina Harter

Thanks for the suggestion, Prakash, but SQLDBCode is also returning 0 for 
no rows found.

At 08:25 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
Regina, try sqldbcode. This will give the exact Oracle return code.

Prakash

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We have a number of Powerbuilder applications for which we have been using
the SQLCode returned from a sql statement execution to determine the next
action, depending on if the statement failed (SQLCode  0), didn't return
any rows (SQLCode = 100) or successfully returned data (SQLCode = 0).  We
upgraded to 8.1.6 two weeks ago, and just discovered that, outside of an
exception block, SQLCode now always returns 0.  Do any of you know a way to
return to the old codes, or make it treat Powerbuilder like an exception
block, or know of some other code we could use to gather this information?

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RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN?

2001-03-28 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

We are doing that here, we have a 7 ft. tall SAN frame with dozens of hard
disks laying about in boxes, with two es-40s also in boxes.

We plan to have that put together by mid April.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada



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 Subject:  RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN?
 
 Thanks for the heads up.
 We are also planning upgrades from 40F to 5.1 nonclustered with Oracle
 8.0.6.  Has anyone considered or implemented Compaq's SAN architecture?
 
 Mike Hand
 Polaroid Corp
 
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 Lee,
 
   Be sure to check the alerts on Metalink for Tru64 (Product Lifecycle,
 Alerts).  There are OS level patches requried for nonclustered systems.
 See
 Note 132391.1.
 
 
 
 
 
 Jay Hostetter
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 D.  E. Communications
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 Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested
 itself
 on non-clustered setups ?
 
 We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system.
 
 As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the
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Re: Bad Cookies with Internet Application Server 1.0

2001-03-28 Thread Gene Sais

Did someone change the password of the app logging into the db?

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We've been running iAS 1.0 for several months without problems.  Now users who have 
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WWW-Authenticate: Basic
realm="SLAC"   Database Log In Failed

An invalid username/password caused log in to database fail.
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It is not related to the URL called.

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Problems with export/import

2001-03-28 Thread Helmut Daiminger

Hi!

I'm having weird problems with exporting/importing tables...

First I run an export on database A

About to export specified tables via Conventional Path ...
Table(T) or Partition(T:P) to be exported: (RETURN to quit)  tbclocktimes

. . exporting table   TBCLOCKTIMES   2929 rows exported

The exports terminates successfully without warnings.

Then I want to import that dump file into database B, but it fails:

. importing VIVOUSER's objects into VIVOUSER
. . importing table "TBCLOCKTIMES"
IMP-00058: ORACLE error 1403 encountered
ORA-01403: no data found

Any idea what's going wrong?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k

Thanks,
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RE: Real Workstation Requirements

2001-03-28 Thread William Beilstein

Thanks

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/28/01 12:05PM 
I would say no Celeron processor for sure, I would go with PIII's 500 or
above, minimum 128 RAM 256 would be better, at least a 10 gig hd.  We use
Dell Optiplex workstations, most of them are 500's and we don't run into any
problems, most of them have 10 to 20 gig hd's and 256 mb's of RAM.
Kev

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My firm is currently using Oracle Applications 10.7SC and are in the
planning stage for 11i. I have been tasked with finding the Workstation
requirements for 11i. The Workstations will be running Windows 2000 with
Microsoft Office, email client and a number of smaller financial
applications. I know that jinitator takes a lot of memory and processor
speed to run. Oracle always specifies the absolute minimum requirements for
the workstation. I am looking for some real world recommendations for hard
drive sizing, memory, processor speed, processor type (Celeron, Pentium...).
We don't want the absolute minimum, but allow some room for future growth.
Any help would be very much appreciated.

William Beilstein.

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Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread TCarlson


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 (except SAP) on site have been coded for standard. These 3rd party
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 don't have good DBAs on staff either, but that is a different topic.
 List - Is that your experience also?

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we actually have a vendor here who does not have a working ORACLE
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FW: [Fwd: Response times with different multiblock read count]

2001-03-28 Thread Paul Drake

Prasad,

the difference here is :

select count(*) does not require the data in all of the columns.
if you are going to be including columns that return a large amount of data,
then the larger reads should help. 

As its most likely that the OS read size is 64 KB, it makes sense that a
local minimum of the response time function is found at that point.

Why don't you retry the query while bringing back all (or most) of the
columns?

hth,

Paul

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Hi All,

I am running a test query with different db_file_multiblock_read_count
to test the overall throughput.

environment: oracle 8.1.6 on hp-ux v11
db_block_size  : 16k
system is using LVM and file system is using buffered I/O and disk is
mirrored but not stripped.

I was expecting that having larger multiblock count would result in
better performance. But, when I was testing the query with smaller
multiblock
count,the response time is better.

Here is the testing result.

Multiblock time in Secs
-- 
1   12.5   better
2  12.5   better
4  12.6   better
8  27 bad
16 27 bad
32 18.6   okay
64 19.0   okay

I don't understand why 8,16 are taking longer time.
I did make sure that oracle is issuing proper multiblock read count with
the help of multiblock_read_test.sql which is available in Steve Adams's
site. Thank you steve for providing valuable information  scripts on
your web site.

select statement that I am using is,
select /*+ full(t) noparallel(t) nocache(t) */ count(*) from Table t;

I am clueless why it is behaving like this. Please pass your
suggestions.
If you need more info like oracle/OS settings etc, please let me know.

When I was doing some reading on steve adam's site, he suggests the
following.

Date: 29-Dec-2000 20:55
Nevertheless, it remains best to allow Oracle to use large multiblock
reads, as long as the optimizer is not doing
inappropriate full scans. The explanation relates to the system call and
context switch overheads associated with I/O.
It is cheaper in CPU usage terms to request a 256K I/O and allow the
operating system to service it in 64K chunks,
than to request 4 I/O's of 64K each. As is mentioned in the tip on Why
Large Multiblock Reads, the increased
latency is not an issue because multiblock reads should not be used in
cases where "first rows" response time is
critical.


Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Prasad
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online backup query

2001-03-28 Thread Seema Singh

Hi gurus
I am new to this group.
What are those files need to backup in online backup mode?
how we know the database is setup in OPS mode?
Please help me.
Thanks in advance.
Seema
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RE: Bad Cookies with Internet Application Server 1.0

2001-03-28 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

The authentication is via the users' oracle passwords.  One user just got the error, 
and she doesn't use cookies.  It is intermittent, but once it occurs, the users need 
to be reauthenticated before it works successfully.

Ian MacGregor
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Did someone change the password of the app logging into the db?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/28/01 11:40AM 
We've been running iAS 1.0 for several months without problems.  Now users who have 
already been verified  are  at times getting the following error when they move to a 
new URL.  
--
Database Log In Failed. HTTP/1.1 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable Date:
Tue, 27 Mar 2001
23:56:32 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.4.10 OpenSSL/0.9.4
mod_perl/1.21
ApacheJServ/1.1 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html
WWW-Authenticate: Basic
realm="SLAC"   Database Log In Failed

An invalid username/password caused log in to database fail.
---
It is not related to the URL called.

Has anybody else had this problem.  Nothing shows up in the error log, nothing 
untoward shows up in the httpds*_log(s).

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Update existing rows at import

2001-03-28 Thread Helmut Daiminger

Hi!

Is there a tool available that allows me to read data from a comma-delimited
flat file into Oracle and if a row already exists, updates that record. If
the row does not exist, it should insert a new record into the table.

Looks to me like SQL*Loader can't do this.

How could this be done?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k.


Thanks,
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ORA-01031: insufficient privileges

2001-03-28 Thread Charlie Mengler

Solaris V2.6 Oracle V8.1.8

Previously I logged in as username "HR"  did
SQL GRANT SELECT ON EMPHEADER_MASTER TO BCM;

Within a PL/SQL package the following lines exits.

EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'TRUNCATE TABLE HR_EMP';
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'DROP TABLE HR_EMP';
EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'CREATE TABLE   HR_EMP TABLESPACE USERS STORAGE ( INITIAL 128K NEXT 
128K) UNRECOVERABLE
  AS SELECT * FROM HR.EMPHEADER_MASTER';

The procedure bombs with ORA-01031: insufficient privileges on the CTAS line.
I (schema BCM) own the procedure  execute it.
I can manually (from SQL*PLUS) successfully cut, paste  run the CREATE TABLE ... AS...

Any advice on how to make the error go away  get the table created
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storage area networks

2001-03-28 Thread Jeffrey Beckstrom

Anyone using storage area networks for an Oracle database.  Who is the vendor and what 
is your opinion of the product.



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RE: Update existing rows at import

2001-03-28 Thread Bala, Prakash

Helmut, have you thought about using UTL_FILE package?

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Hi!

Is there a tool available that allows me to read data from a comma-delimited
flat file into Oracle and if a row already exists, updates that record. If
the row does not exist, it should insert a new record into the table.

Looks to me like SQL*Loader can't do this.

How could this be done?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k.


Thanks,
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RE: . . .Compaq Tru64 5.1 Cluster / SAN?

2001-03-28 Thread Jay Hostetter

Mike,

  We are using the SAN architecture.

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Thanks for the heads up.
We are also planning upgrades from 40F to 5.1 nonclustered with Oracle
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Lee,

  Be sure to check the alerts on Metalink for Tru64 (Product Lifecycle,
Alerts).  There are OS level patches requried for nonclustered systems.  See
Note 132391.1.





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Is this problem specific to the cluster solution or has it manifested itself
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We are about to implement a Tru64 5.1 Oracle 8.1.7 system.

As I cannot access the tar you mentioned could you please forward on the
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Db stat change query

2001-03-28 Thread Seema Singh

Hi gurus
Is it necessary to take full backup when we change the database from 
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RE: SQLCode in 8i

2001-03-28 Thread Regina Harter

We're not connecting via ODBC, we're using the native drivers, but yes, we 
have tried both the 7.3 driver we used to use and both the 8.0 and 8.1 drivers.

At 12:12 PM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
Regina, did you try using the ODBC driver that you used earlier.

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Thanks for the suggestion, Prakash, but SQLDBCode is also returning 0 for
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At 08:25 AM 3/28/01 -0800, you wrote:
 Regina, try sqldbcode. This will give the exact Oracle return code.
 
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Re: Update existing rows at import

2001-03-28 Thread Winnie_Liu



Can you have a before-insert trigger on your table to do whatever you want
and then use conventional sqlldr to load it?
winnie





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Is there a tool available that allows me to read data from a
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Looks to me like SQL*Loader can't do this.

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Re: Db stat change query

2001-03-28 Thread Winnie_Liu


Yes, it is necessary to take a full backup when you change your database
from noarchivelog mode to archivelog mode. Or else you will never have a
"base" to perform recovery if it is needed.

Winnie





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RE: Update existing rows at import

2001-03-28 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

Helmut,

Use SQLLOADER to load the file into a temporary table. Then write a
script/procedure to scan the contents of temporary table, compare this info
with base table, if row exists, update, else insert.

IMME (In my modest eperience) this is the easiest way.

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RE: Db stat change query

2001-03-28 Thread Armstead, Michael A

Yes. Unless you can risk having a time where you can't recover your
database.

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Re: online backup query

2001-03-28 Thread Winnie_Liu


In V$INSTANCE, there is a column named PARALLEL which will tell you whether
the instance is in OPS mode or not.

In online backup mode, you will need to backup
1) all datafiles
2) a binary backup of the controlfile
3) all archivelog files generated during the online backup period of time
4) I will also backup the init.ora file, a backup trace of the controlfile,
password file etc.

Winnie





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how we know the database is setup in OPS mode?
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Re: Update existing rows at import

2001-03-28 Thread William Beilstein

You can't query or modify the same table as the trigger is firing on (The old mutating 
table problem). What you could do is set up a temp table with a before insert trigger 
which would query the other table and take the appropriate actions, this would solve 
you having to run a separate procedure after the temp table was loaded. Or load the 
temp table and run a procedure. When your done with your insert, truncate the temp 
table and your ready for your next load.

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Script to Compare table structures

2001-03-28 Thread Johnson Poovathummoottil

Hi, 

I would appreciate if someone could pass me a script
which compares table structures?

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FW: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Suhen Pather

 
Oops !!! forgot to send the attachment.
 

Jeff,
 
We have a retail application (JDA) using Oracle 8.1.6 using the Standard
Edition.
It works fine with very few problems.  Size of the database is 70GB. 
 
The application uses very limited database features.
No replication, partitioning, OPS, standby database, ...
Please see attached document from Oracle Technet for differences between
Oracle Enterprise Edition and
Oracle Standard Edition.
 
If you do not need the extra functionality like partitioning,  advanced
replication it may not be worth the extra effort of
spending money on the Enterprise Edition.
 
The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large
(2 x).
 
Most companies purchase the Enterprise Edition but do not even use 30% of
the features that come with it.
What a waste of $$$. 
 
Please see attached .PDF to get more insight on technical differences
between the both editions.
 
HTH
Suhen 
 
 
 

 

Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the
Standard 
edition to save .  In fact, our management may even make Standard the de
facto 
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. 

If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would
appreciate if 
can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard.  I've perused the
features comparision 
matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not
overlooking anything. 

Thanks,
Jeff T 
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 8i_fam.pdf


Re: Script to Compare table structures

2001-03-28 Thread sundeep maini

Download free version of TOAD from www.toadsoft.com.
Once installed and logged into look under
View---Schema Differences you can compare many
aspects of two schemas (eg compare your test and
production schemas). Table comparisons are one of the
many things you can compare.

HTH

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Does anyone know a link to 9i documentation?

2001-03-28 Thread Khedr, Waleed


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RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Suhen Pather

Jeff,
 
We have a retail application (JDA) using Oracle 8.1.6 using the Standard
Edition.
It works fine with very few problems.
 
The application uses very limited database features.
No replication, partitioning, OPS, standby database, ...
Please see attached document from Oracle Technet for differences between
Oracle Enterprise Edition and
Oracle Standard Edition.
 
If you do not need the extra functionality like partitioning,  advanced
replication it may not be worth the extra effort of
spending money on the Enterprise Edition.
 
The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large
(2 x).
 
Most companies purchase the Enterprise Edition but do not even use 30% of
the features that come with it.
What a waste of $$$. 
 
Please see attached .PDF to get more insight on technical differences
between the both editions.
 
HTH
Suhen 
 
 
 

 

Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the
Standard 
edition to save .  In fact, our management may even make Standard the de
facto 
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. 

If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would
appreciate if 
can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard.  I've perused the
features comparision 
matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not
overlooking anything. 

Thanks,
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RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Thomas Jeff
Title: RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition





Thanks everyone for the replies. 


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Subject: FW: Standard vs Enterprise Edition




Oops !!! forgot to send the attachment.



Jeff,

We have a retail application (JDA) using Oracle 8.1.6 using the Standard
Edition.
It works fine with very few problems. Size of the database is 70GB. 

The application uses very limited database features.
No replication, partitioning, OPS, standby database, ...
Please see attached document from Oracle Technet for differences between
Oracle Enterprise Edition and
Oracle Standard Edition.

If you do not need the extra functionality like partitioning, advanced
replication it may not be worth the extra effort of
spending money on the Enterprise Edition.

The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is large
(2 x).

Most companies purchase the Enterprise Edition but do not even use 30% of
the features that come with it.
What a waste of $$$. 

Please see attached .PDF to get more insight on technical differences
between the both editions.

HTH
Suhen 








Due to Oracle's licensing shenanigans, we are looking at the use of the
Standard 
edition to save . In fact, our management may even make Standard the de
facto 
standard while requiring justification for Enterprise. 


If anyone is currently using Standard, or has experience with it, I would
appreciate if 
can you tell me what I lose by moving to Standard. I've perused the
features comparision 
matrix, but I'd like to see some other feedback to ensure I'm not
overlooking anything. 


Thanks,
Jeff T 
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NOT A SINGLE MAIL!

2001-03-28 Thread Cyril Thankappan

Hi!

 I haven't received a single mail from the 
 LiST..

 Is there a problem?

 Please tell

 Thanks

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Subject:RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby

Tim,

That sounds about right.  SRDF is something like Symmetrix Remote Data 
Facility and is basically mirrored disks at a remote site.

Rachel


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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:30:26 -0800

So, Jared, are you auditioning for Louis Rukeyser's job?  8-)

Lisa can probably explain better, but as I recall, BCV is something Backup 
Control Volumes.  It's a third mirror that can be split off from the other 
two and used for a cold backup (e.g. shutdown Oracle database, split BCVs 
from the mirror set, restart Oracle (this takes like 5 minutes or less); 
run cold backup at your leisure).  Then they can be re-attached to the 
mirrored disks at any time and the BCVs are synchronized with the mirrored 
disks automagically.  Right Lisa?

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 11:17PM 

Ok, does someone one to define SRDF and BCV for
those of us that don't have any idea what you're
talking about?

Jared

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Koivu, Lisa wrote:

  Hi Yosi, how are you?
 
  I can't exactly clarify your fish vs. potatoes, er, timefinder vs. SRDF
  question but I can tell you that we have BCV's implemented here.  We use
  them for backup and recovery (and it's extremely slick and fast, let me 
tell
  you!  Worth every penny we paid) However you can also mount the BCV's 
and
  access the data.  Honestly I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able 
to
  install Oracle on this server and open up a read-only database on the 
BCV's.
  Except for maybe the fact that my employer practically chokes when 
Oracle
  quotes pricing.
 
  We are running HP/UX.  If you want more specific info, email me directly 
and
  I'll be glad to answer questions.
 
  Have a great day...
 
  Lisa Rutland Koivu
  Oracle Database Administrator

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Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-28 Thread Apps Sol

 Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio tapes or
CD's)

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Re: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-28 Thread Jim Walski

The cost of the Enterprise Edition compared to the Standard Edition is
large
(2 x).


The way i figure enterprise is over 6.5 times more expensive.  Enterprise =
$100/Universal Power Unit to $15.00/Universal Power Unit.  That is quite a
difference.I would sure make sure we used feature available ( if they
work..)

Jim






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Nologging

2001-03-28 Thread cemail


I know it is possible when creating a table to specify no logging
so that it doesn't generate redo logs.  Is it possible, AFTER
the table has already been created, to change it to nologging?
 Also this is a dev database that we don't care about doing any
type of recovery and just want to do some quick loads -- is it
possible to change the entire database to nologging?
This is on Oracle 8.0.5.

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Re: Nologging

2001-03-28 Thread Oliver Artelt


that has nothing to do with the question. But anyway, try ALTER TABLE 
NOLOGGING instead.

oli


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 Alter database noarchivelog;

 will change the entire database.

 see the following for detailed information:

 http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle8i/doc_index.htm

 HTH, Jim

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 Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:37 PM

 I know it is possible when creating a table to specify no logging
 so that it doesn't generate redo logs.  Is it possible, AFTER
 the table has already been created, to change it to nologging?
  Also this is a dev database that we don't care about doing any
 type of recovery and just want to do some quick loads -- is it
 possible to change the entire database to nologging?
 This is on Oracle 8.0.5.
 
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about ops on linux

2001-03-28 Thread cyhu

   
   
   
   
   
 Recently I installed ops  
 ( oracle 8.1.7.0.1) on
 linux ( redhat 6.2).  
 Unfortunately, everytime  
 I ran ocmstart.sh, the
 system crashed.   
 I'm sure I've did all 
 needed to be done 
 according to the  
 documents.
 Any suggestions?  
   
   
 below is extracted from   
 cm.log.   
   
   
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:42 2001  
  | ERROR   | 0400 |   
 StartCMMon(); NMAttach
 failed - 2 : [ 0 4 0 ]
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:43 2001  
  | WARNING | 0402 |   
 CmConnectListener 
 (pid=563, tid=1026):  
 WatchdogPing failed   
 (rc=12).  
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:45 2001  
  | WARNING | 0402 |   
 CmConnectListener 
 (pid=563, tid=1026):  
 WatchdogPing failed   
 (rc=12).  
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:47 2001  
  | MESSAGE | 0400 |   
 CreateLocalEndpoint():
 Network Address:  
 192.168.100.180   
   
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:47 2001  
  | ERROR   | 0400 |   
 StartCMMon(); NMAttach
 failed - 2 : [ 0 4 0 ]
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:48 2001  
  | WARNING | 0402 |   
 CmConnectListener 
 (pid=563, tid=1026):  
 WatchdogPing failed   
 (rc=12).  
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:50 2001  
  | WARNING | 0402 |   
 CmConnectListener 
 (pid=563, tid=1026):  
 WatchdogPing failed   
 (rc=12).  
 Wed Mar 28 17:22:52 2001  
   
 below is extracted from   
 nm.log
   


Wed Mar 28 17:22:16 2001
 | WARNING | InitClusterDb(): 

RE: NOT A SINGLE MAIL!

2001-03-28 Thread Mandar Ghosalkar

cos u dont like Air. Ask Jared :)

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 Hi!
 
  I haven't received a single mail from the 
  LiST..
 
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  Please tell
 
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 From:"Rachel Carmichael" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:36:05 -0800
 Subject:RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby
 
 Tim,
 
 That sounds about right.  SRDF is something like Symmetrix 
 Remote Data 
 Facility and is basically mirrored disks at a remote site.
 
 Rachel
 
 
 From: "Tim Sawmiller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby
 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:30:26 -0800
 
 So, Jared, are you auditioning for Louis Rukeyser's job?  8-)
 
 Lisa can probably explain better, but as I recall, BCV is 
 something Backup 
 Control Volumes.  It's a third mirror that can be split off 
 from the other 
 two and used for a cold backup (e.g. shutdown Oracle 
 database, split BCVs 
 from the mirror set, restart Oracle (this takes like 5 
 minutes or less); 
 run cold backup at your leisure).  Then they can be 
 re-attached to the 
 mirrored disks at any time and the BCVs are synchronized 
 with the mirrored 
 disks automagically.  Right Lisa?
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 11:17PM 
 
 Ok, does someone one to define SRDF and BCV for
 those of us that don't have any idea what you're
 talking about?
 
 Jared
 
 On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
 
   Hi Yosi, how are you?
  
   I can't exactly clarify your fish vs. potatoes, er, 
 timefinder vs. SRDF
   question but I can tell you that we have BCV's 
 implemented here.  We use
   them for backup and recovery (and it's extremely slick 
 and fast, let me 
 tell
   you!  Worth every penny we paid) However you can also 
 mount the BCV's 
 and
   access the data.  Honestly I don't see any reason why I 
 wouldn't be able 
 to
   install Oracle on this server and open up a read-only 
 database on the 
 BCV's.
   Except for maybe the fact that my employer practically 
 chokes when 
 Oracle
   quotes pricing.
  
   We are running HP/UX.  If you want more specific info, 
 email me directly 
 and
   I'll be glad to answer questions.
  
   Have a great day...
  
   Lisa Rutland Koivu
   Oracle Database Administrator
 
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Re: Nologging

2001-03-28 Thread Jim Walski

Yes you can issue the alter table nologging but it will only be relevant for
certain operations not all UPDATE, DELETE, conventional path INSERT
statements.

Jim

Reference the following I found on metalink:

Doc ID:  Note:1038660.6
Type:  PROBLEM
Status:  PUBLISHED
 Content Type:  TEXT/PLAIN
Creation Date:  21-NOV-1997
Last Revision Date:  02-MAY-2000
Language:  USAENG


PURPOSE
This article gives further information about the options UNRECOVERABLE
in Oracle7 and NOLOGGING in Oracle8.

SCOPE  APPLICATION
For users requiring further information about these options.

The options UNRECOVERABLE in Oracle7 and NOLOGGING in Oracle8 can be used
when creating a table as select.  They will send the actual create statement
to the redo logs (this information is needed in the data dictionary).  All
rows loaded into the table during the create are not sent to the redo logs.

With UNRECOVERABLE in Oracle7 any subsequent Data Manipulation Language
(DML)
command on the table WILL be sent to the redo logs.

The UNRECOVERABLE option can be used in early versions of Oracle8 but will
eventually be replaced by the NOLOGGING option.

With NOLOGGING in Oracle8, although you can set the NOLOGGING attribute
for a table, partition, index, or tablespace, NOLOGGING mode does not apply
to every operation performed on the schema object for which you set the
NOLOGGING attribute.

Only the following operations can make use of the NOLOGGING option:

alter table...move partition
alter table...split partition
alter index...split partition
alter index...rebuild
alter index...rebuild partition
create table...as select
create index
direct load with SQL*Loader
direct load INSERT

All of these SQL statements can be parallelized. They can execute in LOGGING
or NOLOGGING mode for both serial and parallel execution.

Other SQL statements (such as UPDATE, DELETE, conventional path INSERT, and
various DDL statements not listed above) are unaffected by the NOLOGGING
attribute of the schema object.

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Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:25 PM



that has nothing to do with the question. But anyway, try ALTER TABLE
NOLOGGING instead.

oli


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
 Alter database noarchivelog;

 will change the entire database.

 see the following for detailed information:

 http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle8i/doc_index.htm

 HTH, Jim

 -Original Message-
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:37 PM

 I know it is possible when creating a table to specify no logging
 so that it doesn't generate redo logs.  Is it possible, AFTER
 the table has already been created, to change it to nologging?
  Also this is a dev database that we don't care about doing any
 type of recovery and just want to do some quick loads -- is it
 possible to change the entire database to nologging?
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RE: A Basic PL/SQL Question

2001-03-28 Thread saumyadip

Hi ...

you can go for UTL FILE feature of Oracle PL/SQL, it is very handy while handling 
large amount of data that DBMS_OUTPUT can't handle due to the buffer size constraints.

Cheers,
Bagchi.

On Wed, 28 March 2001, "Miller, Jay" wrote:

 
 Another option is to create a table with a large varchar2 column and insert
 the data row by row.
 You can then spool a SELECT from that table to a file.
 
 e.g.
 create table hold_output
 (mytext varchar2(4000)
 tablespace ts_small;
 
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 Hi,
 
 This is my first attempt at writing a PL/SQL procedure. Everything works
 fine, except I have a firly large table I am running against. I am trying to
 display my output with DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE. I have set the buffer size to
 100, apparently the maximum value, but it still isn't enough to print
 output for my entire table. Is there another way to display data? Or is
 there some way to increase the maximum?
 
 
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-28 Thread Deshpande, Kirti

Long drive to work ..eh ??

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RE: Re:RE: very urgent

2001-03-28 Thread Rahul

Ajay's going to try that one too, and we are going to get 5 more mails ! :))


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 Ajay,
 
 Did you shutdown the database cleanly first? Then delete all the redolog
 files on the OS? If so, of course you can perform a "fake" recovery until
 cancel and open redo log on the database since all the datafile are
 offline
 and checkpoint has been performed.
 
 but if the redolog files are lost when the database is up and the instance
 crashed. I doubt if you can do the same thing.
 
 Winnie
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi here is how i did it I had a test database i deleted all the redolog
 files. including current. The database was in noarchivelog. But i think
 you
 can do for archivelog also.
 
 Oracle Server Manager Release 3.1.6.0.0 - Production
 
 Copyright (c) 1997, 1999, Oracle Corporation.  All Rights Reserved.
 
 Oracle8i Enterprise Edition Release 8.1.6.0.0 - Production
 With the Partitioning option
 JServer Release 8.1.6.0.0 - Production
 
 SVRMGR connect internal
 Connected.
 SVRMGR startup
 ORACLE instance started.
 Total System Global Area130801648 bytes
 Fixed Size  69616 bytes
 Variable Size78213120 bytes
 Database Buffers 52428800 bytes
 Redo Buffers90112 bytes
 Database mounted.
 ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
 ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: '/u21/test/redo_1a.rdo'
 ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: '/u22/test/redo_1b.rdo'
 SVRMGR alter database open resetlogs ;
 alter database open resetlogs
 *
 ORA-01139: RESETLOGS option only valid after an incomplete database
 recovery
 SVRMGR recover database
 ORA-00283: recovery session canceled due to errors
 ORA-00264: no recovery required
 SVRMGR recover database until cancel ;
 Media recovery complete.
 SVRMGR alter database open resetlogs ;
 Statement processed.
 SVRMGR
 
 
 
 
  if you have lost ALL ( including the redolog file with status CURRENT
 in
  V$log, V$logfile)
  Redolog files then there is no way to open the database .. it is called
  single point of failure.
  you must recreate the database or restore from old backup
  see attached notes.
 
  Well Golly Gee Willikers, so THATS why we do backups, eh Tex?  Let that
 be
 a
  lesson to ya varmit.  Ya wanna go on the trail, you gotta take
 provisions
 or
  ya get stranded.  Oh also make sure ya don't do stupid stuff like
 rounding
  up your redo logs on /tmp which likely gets cleared out on reboots.
 
  Kevin Little
  Database Cowboy
 
  
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identify which logs are need to start recovery

2001-03-28 Thread Rahul

usually i keep 2-3 previous archived logs, after switching and starting the
hotbackup...

but is there a v$ view to show which logs are needed to start the recovery ?

TIA

Rahul

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Re: Source Code about Java Classes

2001-03-28 Thread jkstill


 Sergio,

 It doesn't seem to likely that Oracle will
 provide the source for their products.

 Jraed

Who is this guy?

Can't even spell his own name...


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RE: Does anyone know a link to 9i documentation?

2001-03-28 Thread Abdul Aleem

Have you not tried at OTN, if it is 9i OAS then try
http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/forms/doc_index.htm

HTH!

Aleem


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Thanks,

Waleed
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