Exam promo code
Does the OTN promo code for exams still exist? Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Exam promo code
no, but you can buy one on Ebay that is 40% off for $8. A friend of mine did it and it works. From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 08:09:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Exam promo code Does the OTN promo code for exams still exist? Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Thanx - I cleared the exam
Prem, congrats good luck! On 01/20/2004 12:54:27 AM, Prem Khanna J wrote: When I was doing my OCP exams, I didn't have Dennis to cheer me up, only Heineken.Not that I'm complaining. but Mladen , i can't stop with just one : )) so i better stay away from it during exams. Regards, Prem. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Thanx - I cleared the exam -- another OCP question
Hi list , thanx a lot to all of you . i cleared the #1Z0-031 exam last week . thanx again for all the support given by you friends. Kind Regards, Prem. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Thanx - I cleared the exam -- another OCP question
Prem - We had no doubt. I always figure when you've studied enough to doubt your study guide, you're ready to pass the exam. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi list , thanx a lot to all of you . i cleared the #1Z0-031 exam last week . thanx again for all the support given by you friends. Kind Regards, Prem. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Thanx - I cleared the exam
Hi Dennis , thanx a lot for your encouraging words. my morale being high , let me go ahead with the next exam . Thanks and Regards, Prem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prem - We had no doubt. I always figure when you've studied enough to doubt your study guide, you're ready to pass the exam. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Thanx - I cleared the exam
When I was doing my OCP exams, I didn't have Dennis to cheer me up, only Heineken. Not that I'm complaining. On 2004.01.19 23:34, Prem Khanna J wrote: Hi Dennis , thanx a lot for your encouraging words. my morale being high , let me go ahead with the next exam . Thanks and Regards, Prem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prem - We had no doubt. I always figure when you've studied enough to doubt your study guide, you're ready to pass the exam. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Thanx - I cleared the exam
When I was doing my OCP exams, I didn't have Dennis to cheer me up, only Heineken.Not that I'm complaining. but Mladen , i can't stop with just one : )) so i better stay away from it during exams. Regards, Prem. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: exam
Can you tell me if the same happens to you when you specify nls_lang in 9i release 2, or is it just me ? - Original Message - To: Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 02:17 Thanks anyway merry xmas - Original Message - From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 22:38 Subject: RE: exam sorry ... no idea about this issue, you need to talk to Oracle. Raj -- -- Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:50 AM To: Jamadagni, Rajendra Subject: Re: exam Hello Mr Jamadagni , sorry to trouble you but I have tried asking a question in [EMAIL PROTECTED] several times and no-one seems to answer. Can you please help me out. I am not even sure whether I am doing something wrong or thats how things are supposed to be when specifying nls_lang, but I was curious so here goes : I am using 9.2.0.1.0 enterprise edition on windows. Earlier when I use to specify nls_lang=French_France.US7ASCII in 9i release 1 I would get the following messages in French c: sqlplus Entrez le nom utilisateur : But now when I specify nls_lang=French_France.US7ASCII , sqlplus sticks to english c: sqlplus Enter user-name: Any ideas ? I tried out the following but to no avail : 1. I specified ora_nls33 to point to D:\OracleXP\Ora92\ocommon\nls\ADMIN\DATA where D:\OracleXP\Ora92\ is my %oracle_home% 2. I set nls_lang=French_France.US7ASCII , log in as a user, checked NLS_SESSION_PARAMETERS. It shows that NLS_LANGUAGE is FRENCH and NLS_TERRITORY is FRANCE. When I select from a column containing dates , the months are in French. sysdate also gives the month in french 3. Same behaviour with nls_lang=French_France.WE8MSWIN1252 and nls_lang=nls_lang=French_France.UTF8 (although this is an incorrect specification since there are no utf8 windows clients ) 4. Similarly when I specify nls_lang=ENGLISH_INDIA.WE8MSWIN1252 my queries pick up the correct local currency symbol. and nls_language and nls_territory values in nls_session_parameters are correct. 5. Alert log doesn't show any errors. My database character set is AL32UTF8 , did not specify an nchar characterset while creating the database. Have a merry xmas and a happy new year :) - Original Message - From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 21:09 Subject: RE: exam Congratulations ... so what was your Hit ratio ... Raj -Original Message- List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congrats dennis - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 00:54 I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Now you can get the 9i OCP with just the 1 New Features exam! Congratulations... it's a satisfying feeling, isn't it? -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gary W. Parker INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
best 9i new features doc i have seen is written by howard rogers. do a google search for howard Rogers lydian third. there will be a link on the site for 'books'. very well written. lots of good stuff on that site. From: Gary W. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/17 Fri PM 02:42:07 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam Now you can get the 9i OCP with just the 1 New Features exam! Congratulations... it's a satisfying feeling, isn't it? -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gary W. Parker INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Passed Net8 OCP Exam
I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congrats! Now... What will you do with your sig line -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Johnston, Tim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congratulations Dennis! On 10/16/2003 03:24:26 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Title: RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam WooHoo! Congrats Dennis! So were the questions distributed the same as when I took it, or did they emphasize different areas? Just curious. -Scott Stefick -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Passed Net8 OCP Exam I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congratulations... Make sure you put TNS_SKILL_LEVEL=((CERT=$OCP)(PROTOCOL=$ORA_ED)(RENEW=$ANNUAL)) in your sqlnet.ora file -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Scott - My questions were distributed exactly as yours, maybe even the same questions, but it's all a blur now. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L WooHoo! Congrats Dennis! So were the questions distributed the same as when I took it, or did they emphasize different areas? Just curious. -Scott Stefick -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congrats Dennis! I know we have be at that for some time now Way to go! bob Scott - My questions were distributed exactly as yours, maybe even the same questions, but it's all a blur now. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L WooHoo! Congrats Dennis! So were the questions distributed the same as when I took it, or did they emphasize different areas? Just curious. -Scott Stefick -Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congratulations, Dennis! Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congratulations!!! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Congratulations Dennis! On 10/16/2003 03:24:26 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Michael Milligan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
w-ho! now go have a beer! congrats! Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Congrats Dennis - I guess easy is always relative and depends on experience. I would venture that running Oracle with various applications on various platforms in various organizations provides a wealth of experience - some you wish you never have - all adding up to a pretty well-rounded background in the beast. Now, I have been looking for motivation for the 9i certification upgrade - how's about a little wager? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Congratulations!!! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Congratulations Dennis! On 10/16/2003 03:24:26 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Michael Milligan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Mercadante, Thomas F scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: w-ho! now go have a beer! i can only have a beer if i pass an OCP exam? Larry is getting WAYY to involved in my personal life!;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA I'm going to work my ticket if I can... -- Gilwell song [EMAIL PROTECTED] One should guard against preaching to young people success in the customary form as the main aim in life. The most important motive for work in school and in life is pleasure in work, pleasure in its result, and the knowledge of the value of the result to the community. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Passed Net8 OCP Exam
Way to go Dennis! DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2003 12:24 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Passed Net8 OCP Exam I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Congrates Dennis , Get set for 9i upgrade soon. 10g is on the way :) -ak - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:24 PM I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. - Never had an Oracle networking class. - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 exam My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi Dennis Congrats __ Keep the spirit flying GovindanK OCP-8,8i Brainbench Certified Master 8 DBA - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:24 PM > I just passed the Net8 Administration OCP exam. This was my last exam, so I > suppose I am now an OCP for Oracle8i. > Thanks to everyone for their helpful tips. Some people said (or implied) > that this is a very easy exam. I would dispute that. I found it just like > the other exams, in that if you have quite a bit of on-the-job experience in > the area, then it is easy. If not, you'll have to study more. In my case, > - I don't like networking, and hate to drop everything to configure or > debug someone's tnsnames.ora file. > - Never had an Oracle networking class. > - Our site has only needed local naming, so that is pretty much all my > networking experience. Found all the questions related to local naming > pretty easy. Never used Oracle Names, Connection Manager, MTS, Advanced > Security. With the trend toward application servers with their connection > pooling feature, I don't foresee us using any of those Oracle tools. I may > need to use LDAP in the future, but that wasn't covered in the Oracle8i Net8 > exam > My goal was just to study and practice enough to practice the exam, and I > accomplished the goal. Not a very lofty goal, but sometimes you do what you > gotta do. Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW!
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Thanks Do you feel you learned anything from this exam? My initial answer was : If there is one thing that I have learnt from this exam , its that studying for an exam is different from studying. This principle doesn't seem to apply so much to backup and recovery , adminstration fundamentals ,etc. However now that I have had a day to think about your question I have the following to say. I have spent all this time ( while I was preparing for this exam) complaining and being nervous. I was wrong to complain. Its only when we have a deadline to meet that we sit down and devote time to something. If nothing else this exam made me sit down and give time to studying and learning. I am glad that this exam is a part of ocp. Because of this exam I came into contact with so many wonderful new things and concepts. Granted that the very fact that I had a deadline to meet meant that I only learnt their names and did not get to know them well but I learnt that the rabbit hole really goes deep . This exam has taught me to respect performance tuning. If i did not have to give this exam , I would have remained oblivious to my ignorance. Now I feel more humble and at the same time eager to learn. Thanks list, I am lucky to learn from you all. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi Dennis, There's no need to apologise. I don't blame you for trying to get the OCP in manner that's reduces risk and improves one's chance of success. The path of least resistance is one that is followed by human nature and if I were in your shoes and had your pressures I would do exactly the same thing. I wish you the best of luck with it all. I just also wish that the OCP program was worth a little more. See my other mail to Faan regarding the OCM program. Good in principle, but ... Good Luck Richard - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:34 AM Richard - My apologies that concern for passing the exam has caused some of us to exchange tips that you find offensive. And I truly admire those who have been able to just walk in the exams and pass. And I had similar gripes against the exams until I was felt the need to pass the exams. I understand that concerns like yours have caused Oracle to create the OCM. Have you taken a look at that? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E
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Hi Faan, I really do sympathise with folks that are kinda dragged into this whole OCP debacle by people who have obsoletely no understanding of how it's implemented and administered (HR heavies, higher management, recruitment agencies, outsourcing and system integrating organisations, etc.). And of course they push you for very good and noble reasons, generally to ensure that one is competent and qualified to perform the tasks required of the OCP job role. You know, a professional. What they fail to comprehend however is that the OCP program fails utterly to achieve these goals. It's a question of process and red tape rather than of achieving it's desired purpose and results. Sure many OCPs are extremely competent and professional however you can't be sure. In fact because the exams are so trivial you really can't be sure an OCP has ever opened an Oracle database. I agree that the OCM model is a far better measurement of what the OCP program was claiming to achieve. Hearing from people such a Pete Sharman who have gone through it, it's certainly a tough examination and one what requires both a reasonable understanding and practical hands-on knowledge. But unfortunately, there's a but ... Actually, there's a number of buts. Firstly the cost is prohibitive. It ain't cheap, especially when you add in the cost of the 2 day exam, the cost of the 2 mandatory training courses (why someone capable of passing the exam is forced to attend 2 courses is just plain silly), the cost of travel and accommodation, the cost of not working for this period It's runs to many many thousands of dollars which is beyond the reach of many, especially as the cost/benefits are still somewhat dubious. OCM or a round the world holiday with the family, hu tough choice. But unfortunately, Oracle's *main* priority here is to make money, not to have a successful and meaningful certification program (which is fair enough). It might sound as if the two objectives should be mutually beneficial (I've always argued that a successful program would be profitable both directly and more importantly indirectly) but unfortunately with the over emphasis of making huge profits, Oracle ends up failing on both counts. As a result, only a handful have gone through the program, events are cancelled due to insufficient numbers and the whole thing is struggling. The other problem of course is that Oracle has got itself caught in a corner somewhat. They can't make too big a deal on the improvements of the OCM scheme, they can't really go on about how OCM lifts the bar to the point when you need a reasonable little jump to get over, that OCM is a significant improvement over OCP ... Because that would mean admitting that OCP is meaningless as a measurement of professionalism, that the P in OCP has been false advertising and that an OCP can't really be trusted to look after your invaluable information investment and what you *really* need is an OCM. The risk to the credibility of any Oracle certification program would come into doubt for what the heck has Oracle been producing all these years to warrant such a change in direction. You see the problem. Ideally, Oracle (or any vendor for that matter) shouldn't be running these certification programs, simply because they have conflicting priorities. A program that is successful in that it attracts a lot of people and that it makes a lot of money suggests that it has to be relatively easy (to get the numbers) and expensive (to make the money). Ideally, an organisation that is *focused* on the *quality* and professionalism of IT specialists that result from such a program should be running the show. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world ... But perhaps by voicing one's concerns and opinions, we might just get a little closer ;) Cheers Richard Foote - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:49 AM Richard, I agree that the OCP is a laughing matter among experienced DBA's but to those that are pressurized by their non-technical management, especially HR, to obtain certification for various reasons, there is very little choice than to get it or get out...:-( I can definitely see that certification programs that model the latest 9i OCM will be the future for reliable and most importantly, credible certification. The big dilemma with this certification model is limited availability world wide and unacceptable high cost when compared to the traditional certification model...guess time will tell which model will suffice...perhaps a hybrid of the 2 models? Will be interesting to follow the certification trend from other vendors in the enterprise space e.g. Veritas, EMC, etc. I agree that it is more important to know the correct answer in the real world where the rubber meets the road, but as Carry M. stated so elegantly in an earlier post that a wise DBA will know several i.e. the answer that the OCP
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Congratulations. Thanks Do you feel you learned anything from this exam? My initial answer was : If there is one thing that I have learnt from this exam , its that studying for an exam is different from studying. This principle doesn't seem to apply so much to backup and recovery , adminstration fundamentals ,etc. However now that I have had a day to think about your question I have the following to say. I have spent all this time ( while I was preparing for this exam) complaining and being nervous. I was wrong to complain. Its only when we have a deadline to meet that we sit down and devote time to something. If nothing else this exam made me sit down and give time to studying and learning. I am glad that this exam is a part of ocp. Because of this exam I came into contact with so many wonderful new things and concepts. Granted that the very fact that I had a deadline to meet meant that I only learnt their names and did not get to know them well but I learnt that the rabbit hole really goes deep . This exam has taught me to respect performance tuning. If i did not have to give this exam , I would have remained oblivious to my ignorance. Now I feel more humble and at the same time eager to learn. Thanks list, I am lucky to learn from you all. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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The exam was well made. They were very keen on 1. the exact values of the various hit ratios 2. deadlocks. All in all I would say that the preparation for this exam is a lot more tougher than the exam itself. Performance tuning course is VAST. But I could be wrong about the exam, because frankly the exam is all blurred in my memory. I don't remember the questions , all I remember is that as soon as the paper started I found that all the v$ synonyms stopped making sense to me. Had to read the words in the questions much more carefully in this exam than in any other exam. Most of the answers are so close to being correct till you zero in on that one word in the answer which makes the answer either totally wrong or the one. Performance tuning exam , well all I can say is that I am glad that its over. Now I can actually start studying performance tuning. Still have my sql exam left though. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 20:29 Congrats! How did you find the exam, Easy? Tough? Ambigous? Regards Naveen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: exam List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). DISCLAIMER: This message (including attachment if any) is confidential and may be privileged. Before opening attachments please check them for viruses and defects. MindTree Consulting Private Limited (MindTree) will not be responsible for any viruses or defects or any forwarded attachments emanating either from within MindTree or outside. If you have received this message by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change and MindTree shall not be liable for any improper, untimely or incomplete transmission. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Naveen Nahata INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Faan Thanks. Yes I totally agree that the practice exams are very helpful. In my case I chose Couchman's book of practice exams. Usually my exam score has been higher than my practice exam scores. My current study method is to record quiz questions on an audio CD so I can study during the time I'm trapped in an automobile each day. After the exam, I have also pulled out these CDs and used them to refresh my knowledge of a subject. It is probably just my age, but I have trouble remembering everything people expect a DBA to know immediately, unlike some people on the list. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. You will also find that there are several inaccuracies in the OCP exam that is directly inherited from the incorrect Oracle Education materials. If you have a good book then the author will appropriately point this out like Pete Sharman's Oracle 8i DBA Exam Cram book. Pete is an expert in this field and I personally wish that he would bring out his own Sherman guides for all the OCP exams as Pete has taught as an Oracle Education Instructor for many years. He is also a very experienced DBA that can relate what is correct in the real world to what the OCP exam expects from you, which is the key to passing the OCP exam. Good Luck! Faan PS: There are no questions on the IA in the Net8 Exam for 8i -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
- Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: exam
Good for you! :) Cheers, Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:24 PM List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: exam
Congrats! How did you find the exam, Easy? Tough? Ambigous? Regards Naveen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: exam List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). DISCLAIMER: This message (including attachment if any) is confidential and may be privileged. Before opening attachments please check them for viruses and defects. MindTree Consulting Private Limited (MindTree) will not be responsible for any viruses or defects or any forwarded attachments emanating either from within MindTree or outside. If you have received this message by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change and MindTree shall not be liable for any improper, untimely or incomplete transmission. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Naveen Nahata INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: exam
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RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Richard - My apologies that concern for passing the exam has caused some of us to exchange tips that you find offensive. And I truly admire those who have been able to just walk in the exams and pass. And I had similar gripes against the exams until I was felt the need to pass the exams. I understand that concerns like yours have caused Oracle to create the OCM. Have you taken a look at that? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
RE: exam
Congratulations. Do you feel you learned anything from this exam? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Richard, I agree that the OCP is a laughing matter among experienced DBA's but to those that are pressurized by their non-technical management, especially HR, to obtain certification for various reasons, there is very little choice than to get it or get out...:-( I can definitely see that certification programs that model the latest 9i OCM will be the future for reliable and most importantly, credible certification. The big dilemma with this certification model is limited availability world wide and unacceptable high cost when compared to the traditional certification model...guess time will tell which model will suffice...perhaps a hybrid of the 2 models? Will be interesting to follow the certification trend from other vendors in the enterprise space e.g. Veritas, EMC, etc. I agree that it is more important to know the correct answer in the real world where the rubber meets the road, but as Carry M. stated so elegantly in an earlier post that a wise DBA will know several i.e. the answer that the OCP exam expects, the answer your manager expects, the answer your customer expects, the answer that is technically correct, etc...;-) -f -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:39 AM Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. It's comments such as these which are unfortunately all so common that really hits home what an laughable, sad and sorry affair the whole OCP program really is. I have this vision of people poring over example questions, desperately trying to memorise as many questions as possible, desperately trying to forget what is correct is reality for fear of not getting the required 65% multiple questions correct. Occasionally, they'll glance at the Inside OCP section of the Oracle Magazine and gain confidence in getting the jest of the complex concepts (and yes, further sample questions) it covers in each edition. And once they've passed and got that precious certificate, they're of course qualified to look after that banks enterprise database because they're Oracle approved Oracle Certified *Professionals*. And when the database runs like a dog, they'll open up their notebooks and decide is it: A) The Buffer Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% B) The Library Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% C) The DD Cache Hit Ratio is less than 90% D) The cleaning lady has accidentally pulled out the wrong plug E) Something else Good grief !! Now I too have spent many years teaching with Oracle Education and I'm Oracle 7, 8, 8i and 9i OCP (instructors were obliged to get certified) so I know a fair bit about the process. And I've seen students leave my classroom with 5 days Oracle experience behind them pass their OCP DBA Admin exam the following Tuesday (guess I was a good teacher :) Anyone see a problem ? At the time I kinda justified it as selling them water in that it doesn't really harm them, achieves nothing but at least they think it's doing them some good. Don't get me wrong, the training they received was excellent, it's the OCP bit that is fluff. But really, at the end of the day, having such an atrocious so called professional program ends up hurting the individual as they've paid a lot of money (for the exams) for very little benefit, it hurts organisations in that there's no *guarantee* of hiring anything closely resembling an Oracle Professional as the bar is so low it drags along the ground and really it ends up hurting Oracle Corp. as well. The *only* thing it does have going for it is that it motivates some people to getting training and investigating parts of Oracle they may otherwise not have much to do with. But I've always thought giving away free David Bowie Cds at training courses was a better way to go :) Richard -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Foote INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hi Dennis I would suggest you by 8i Network guide book for OCP by Barbara Ann Pascavage. I believe it is from Corialis which exists no longer. Nevertheless it might be avbl. with some book shops/book seller website. The book is real good one with Networking concepts explained clearly. You will get to knowanswers to WHY/WHAT IS/WHERE TO USE etc. Also, they seem to ask quite a bit of questions on Net Assistant usage (This is as far as i remember). HTH GovindanK Certified DBA - OCP 8,8i Brainbench Certified Master DBA(8) NB: I sincerely regret Oracle Corp has dropped the Networking exam from OCP 9i. May be they want to make the life easier for the candidates to pass it. Somehow, it makes me feel that those who pass 9i directly will miss something about Network info.-Original Message- . ___Get Your 10MB account for FREE at http://mail.arabia.com !Access MILLIONS of JOBS NOW!
Re: exam
Congrats Bulbul. What are the study materials u used ? ..any suggestion will help me too. Jp. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:24 PM List , thanks to you all I passed my oracle 9i performance tuning exam today with good marks. Thank you -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Dennis, Do you have good practice exams? I have found that the best preparation for the OCP exams are good practice exams. I have reached the point where I just skim through the material in the whatever book you use (probably only possible if you have some miles on the clock as a DBA) and then drive the in depth study from the practice exams. This way you are spending your time more focused and find out what exactly the OCP exam will expect from you vs. what some author would like to teach you or even what the correct answer is in reality. Also, many of these questions in the practice exams will appear in the actual OCP exam which builds your confidence while writing the actual exam. You will also find that there are several inaccuracies in the OCP exam that is directly inherited from the incorrect Oracle Education materials. If you have a good book then the author will appropriately point this out like Pete Sharman's Oracle 8i DBA Exam Cram book. Pete is an expert in this field and I personally wish that he would bring out his own Sherman guides for all the OCP exams as Pete has taught as an Oracle Education Instructor for many years. He is also a very experienced DBA that can relate what is correct in the real world to what the OCP exam expects from you, which is the key to passing the OCP exam. Good Luck! Faan PS: There are no questions on the IA in the Net8 Exam for 8i -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks everyone for your input on this topic. Now if I can just get motivated. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also don't recall it being mentioned. Think naming,cman,mts,dispatchers etc. Niall -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: 29 September 2003 22:35 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: 8i OCP Net8 Exam Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Niall Litchfield INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Faan DeSwardt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
8i OCP Net8 Exam
Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
Hello Dennis To the best of my recollection it was not included. Pretty much basic stuff on that test. For me that was the easiest, and made the most sense of the tests I've taken Bob Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Bob Metelsky INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I took that exam earlier this year and I don't recall anything related to the IA -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gary W. Parker INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Methinks that they finally found 'intelligent' a bit overstretched. You may be more lucky looking for 'agent'. -- Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Software -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: 8i OCP Net8 Exam
I don't remember appearing this one in exam . -Ak OCP 8i - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:34 PM Can anyone recall whether the Oracle Intelligent Agent figured on the Oracle8i OCP Network Administration exam? Couchman's practice exams have quite a few questions on Intelligent Agent, but when I check the official Test Content Checklist on Oracle's Education website, it isn't directly mentioned. Being the lazy slob I am, wouldn't want to study extra. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Jp, No idea as never used. Pretty much happy with STS so far. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:09:44 -0800 Rafiq, How about Boson Practice tests compared to STS ? has anyone on this list found Boson useful ? Jp. 17-09-2003 13:34:36, Caffrey, Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Melanie The story I got from an Oracle instructor was that somebody was bragging about how they passed the OCP without ever logging into Oracle. I guess this caused some consternation in Redwood Shores. The quickest fix was to require everyone to take one class. When I asked the instructor if that meant that all instructors were to ensure that each student logged into Oracle, he just smiled. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Dennis, Thank you for this. BTW, I like your signature. :-) I think it sums up quite a number of us. Best regards, Melanie -Original Message- DENNIS WILLIAMS Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Melanie The story I got from an Oracle instructor was that somebody was bragging about how they passed the OCP without ever logging into Oracle. I guess this caused some consternation in Redwood Shores. The quickest fix was to require everyone to take one class. When I asked the instructor if that meant that all instructors were to ensure that each student logged into Oracle, he just smiled. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How
Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other
Re: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see
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all you have to do is buy the self study CD? are you sure? I thought you had to get a class? which are atleast $1500 online? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:39 PM True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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Well, if you take the Introduction to Oracle9i: SQL course. (BTW, I was wrong about the price differential - I was looking at the wrong CD - the price differential is actually $200, not $115, sorry about that) so that ups the original figure I wrote from $865 to $950. Still not bad, though, depending on how you look at it. The trick is you have to find a course that offers the self study CD. Not all of the courses do. And the online instructor-led courses (at least some of them) are actually $1250 (a tiny bit less than $1500, but still a huge cost). -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L all you have to do is buy the self study CD? are you sure? I thought you had to get a class? which are atleast $1500 online? - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:39 PM True. You can save yourself $115 if you do it this way. 8i cert + upgrade - $750 9i cert (with required class, using Self-Study CD-ROM) - $865 It's up to you ... -Original Message- Ryan Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you can do the 8i cert and upgrade without paying for the course. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:49 PM One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Melanie Caffrey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rajesh Dayal INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:04:40 -0800 Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is necessary if you can pass the exam? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure when getting certified now. The publisher, Coriolis, went under. And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of their prep courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not) in order to become OCP-certified for 9i. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive. I have found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in quality. They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each at maryland-merchant.com Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne books. From: Rajesh Dayal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Try out self study materials from http://www.selftestsoftware.com they are simply outstanding. I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at same time I never totally rely on them, I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus (available on Oracle OCP site) and Oracle Documentation then only I Open them ;-). HTH, Rajesh Dayal Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i) International Information Technology Company LLC -Original Message- Sent:Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fwd: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations All, I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide published by Oracle Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the publication. There seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and typos (not in the Errata) which is very frustrating. Also, there is a question in the Managing Tablespaces and Datafiles chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices, however the quiz software randomises the choices so the question no longer makes sense - and is impossible to answer as presented. For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am to expect? Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to use? How are the OCP exam guides published by Sybex? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Craig Munday INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
Re: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
Rafiq, How about Boson Practice tests compared to STS ? has anyone on this list found Boson useful ? Jp. 17-09-2003 13:34:36, Caffrey, Melanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement. Otherwise, who would ever take a course? -Original Message- From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Cc: Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any Oracle formal training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant material or available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then you are pretty much ready for exam. I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course and passed in first attempt Regards Rafiq -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
So, what was your reason for taking the OCM exam Tanel? Mark -Original Message- Tanel Poder Sent: 08 September 2003 22:10 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Sorry: TaneL, not Taner. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a Read-Only state Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
testing.. -Original Message- Pete Sharman Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a Read-Only state Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
That phrase the second testing day scares me a bit. : ) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM. GovindanK Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master) Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: GovindanK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
how many ocms are there world wide? From: GovindanK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM. GovindanK Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master) Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: GovindanK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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As another shareholder of Oracle (worth about $1.42 as I recall it), I think it's worth noticing that the richest guy in the universe at first thought this Internet thing wasn't really going to take off. When it did, he moved his company around very, very fast to embrace it. Perhaps not intellectually stimulating, but pretty good for his shareholders and employees. Most of Oracle's shareholders are employees or former ones, and they tend not to tell Larry what to do or not. The problem I see is how Oracle treats its stakeholders - the DBAs, techies, developers, and other fans who have supported The Good Database for so many years. Is the new Support model any way to treat your friends? ;-). It might be market driven, but there are flaws in the mechanism. I think if Larry really asked his shareholders what kind of future they see for the company he might be in for a surprise. If the Politburo thing (complete with the dream of one centralised body having ALL data required to make informed dedicsions) didn't work in Mladen's former country, why do we think it'll work for global companies? Just because they now have faster computers? Mogens Freeman Robert - IL wrote: With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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- Original Message - dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? I'm a shareholder too and I expect its value to go up. If Oracle has a predatory attitude and a bad image in the market, their long term future and value for me as a shareholder is damaged. I don't give a rat's arse about initiatives that deal with short term profit grabbing, if I know they'll damage the company (and my share value) in the long term. It's got nothing to do with Oracle being a charity or not. It's got EVERYTHING to do with their shares RETAINING their value in the long term. Which I as a shareholder demand. I'm not interested in bubbles. It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. They have: they created the masters. MOTS. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, no. voila. viola is a musical instrument. they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Exactly how big is that revenue and how much of it goes to third party organisations instead of Oracle shareholders is what I want to know. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. What's share value got to do with socialism? If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. Exactly. Another certification will crop up. And another. In the meantime, the shareholder value is eroded. Since no one in his right mind will want any part of a company that can't get it right. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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- Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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OCM is about marketing. consulting companies will use that to sell their consultants. Ive noticed that alot of employers and co-workers are more likely to listen to someone who is certified than someone who isnt. Its one of the reasons, Im getting mine. Makes it easier to get people to do what I want. I had an interview once and before I talked to the DBA, I talked to HR. I asked the HR person how experience the DBA was and such and he responded in an irreverent tone that the DBA is an 'Oracle Certified Professional'. Almost in awe... Awe is useful when your in a hurry and need people to do what you want. Its not your fault other people hold it in such high value. I have no control over them. From: Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/05 Fri AM 08:20:13 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Pete, Bill Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a terrific thing and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then maybe we wouldn't have to take all these darned tests. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Pete, Bill Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a terrific thing and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then maybe we wouldn't have to take all these darned tests. damn! NOW you tell me.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The significant problems we face today cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) hey, can i help it of Oracle wouldn't hire me?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM: Indigestion Bothers Me -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Well, let's look at it from the purely commercial point of view: 1) Is it likely that my company will ever foot the bill for masters exam? Me thinks not. Even OCP was frowned upon, because it was looked upon as acquiring a technical certification that will make it easier for me to leave the company. Justifiedly so. Masters exam would be totally out of the question. 2) Is it likely that I pay for the exam myself as I did with OCP? Nope. I'd have to take vacation to be on those two courses, I'd have to pay exorbitant amount of money for courses and exams, which makes it highly unlikely that I ever will do so, unless I win the lottery. So, what's going to happen? It is likely that this certification is the latest cash cow for the Oracle Corp. because the OCP has worn out a bit. The way it is described, there is simply no possible market for this. If they want to make money, they'll have to offer it to the general public the usual way, through Thompson Learning or some other education mass marketing organization. That means that the success rate will have to be around 80%, the price will go down, as well as the meaning or significance of the course. Nope, I believe that I can satisfy the HR drones with OCP and that I don't need to invest few grands into something that will either be very short lived or become yet another meaningless paper and be replaced by the oracle hypermaster to the fifth degree or oracle jedi in two years or so. Who will acquire it? Oracle employees and owners of the small consulting companies, in order to improve their marketability. Not being one of them, I'll do what I usually do: sit back and have a good laugh. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading
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Free? Vat is dis Free? All of us don't work for Oracle (at least not directly) so we don't get that perk. But thanks for sharing. RWB Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] peter.sharman@ oracle.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam ity.com 09/05/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ
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Mladen I'm dubious whether Oracle will make much money from this one. Maybe someone with better connections to the exam can clarify that one. The payoff on anything is the amount of revenue minus the cost to create. If fewer people take the Masters, then the revenue may not offset the cost. I would propose an alternative theory. Was the Masters created in response to criticism of the OCP? Many people have savaged the OCP because it doesn't mean you are an expert. But did Oracle ever consider it a stamp of expertise or merely a certificate of qualification? Is it possible that in response to the criticism, Oracle, ever eager to please the customer, created a true qualification of expertise (Masters)? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, let's look at it from the purely commercial point of view: 1) Is it likely that my company will ever foot the bill for masters exam? Me thinks not. Even OCP was frowned upon, because it was looked upon as acquiring a technical certification that will make it easier for me to leave the company. Justifiedly so. Masters exam would be totally out of the question. 2) Is it likely that I pay for the exam myself as I did with OCP? Nope. I'd have to take vacation to be on those two courses, I'd have to pay exorbitant amount of money for courses and exams, which makes it highly unlikely that I ever will do so, unless I win the lottery. So, what's going to happen? It is likely that this certification is the latest cash cow for the Oracle Corp. because the OCP has worn out a bit. The way it is described, there is simply no possible market for this. If they want to make money, they'll have to offer it to the general public the usual way, through Thompson Learning or some other education mass marketing organization. That means that the success rate will have to be around 80%, the price will go down, as well as the meaning or significance of the course. Nope, I believe that I can satisfy the HR drones with OCP and that I don't need to invest few grands into something that will either be very short lived or become yet another meaningless paper and be replaced by the oracle hypermaster to the fifth degree or oracle jedi in two years or so. Who will acquire it? Oracle employees and owners of the small consulting companies, in order to improve their marketability. Not being one of them, I'll do what I usually do: sit back and have a good laugh. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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Don't worry, nor do most Oracle employees. I was asked to be a beta tester of the masters exam, and in return for my review ( we actually spent three days doing the exam because of the amount of time discussing whether questions were valid, how they should be marked and so on), I got to sit the exam for free. I think (though I could be wrong) that normally (like in the OCP) Oracle employees will be charged a somewhat reduced rate for the masters exam. But anyway, doesn't IBM pay for you to do these sorts of things? :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Free? Vat is dis Free? All of us don't work for Oracle (at least not directly) so we don't get that perk. But thanks for sharing. RWB Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] peter.sharman@ oracle.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam ity.com 09/05/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, at least all of the Oracle employees can eventually claim to be masters... maybe some of them will filter over and improve the analyst stock. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas /\ / \ / \ \ / \/ \ \ \ \ Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message- From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) hey, can i help it of Oracle wouldn't hire me?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM: Indigestion Bothers Me -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
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Let's just cut the crap and start our own Oracle-L Masters (OLM). Qualifications 1) Willingness to answer questions 2) Willingness to ask questions, after RTFM 3) Willingness to publicly admit mistakes and offer corrections 4) Demonstration of advanced knowledge of Oracle 5) Able to back up comments with logic and tests, not regurgitate the latest articles/books begin:vcard n:Fink;Daniel x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Sun Microsystems, Inc. adr:;; version:2.1 title:Lead, Database Services x-mozilla-cpt:;9168 fn:Daniel W. Fink end:vcard
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
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I am getting ready to bite the bullet and do this. I have procured a copy of Linux Advanced server to install at home, I have a couple of machines I am going to set up to handle the RAC portions. This is tough for me, because I am one of the largest RAC skeptics about. Of course I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Windows world, so what do I know. My employer wants wants me to get the certification, they want the entire IT department to be certified at least as Oralce Developers. I told them I had quite some ways to go, and that the next level of certification required two expensive courses, and an expensive test as well. That didn't seem to dampen their desire to have me acquire the certification. I got a raise for completing the OCP program. I am gonna see if I can get them to dangle a carrot for me to pass this as well, although their footing the bill for the education requirements is pretty darned nice. Not to mention the Solaris system administrator certification, that self study guide just arrived the other day, and the Veritas backup administrator certification stuff I got the other day. This is getting to be like college. Steve McClure -Original Message- Pete Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steve McClure INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
i saw some posts on the usenets that oracle has been cancelling masters exams and not refunding the money. saw a couple of posts on that. From: Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu AM 11:19:30 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
