RE: Problem with archive log when testing recovery..., urgent

2004-01-13 Thread Wendry

Well, I think I forget the alter system switch logfile before shutdown
and after restart. I'll try that n let you all know the result.

Regards,

Wendry.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:07 PM
To: Wendry

Nothing major amiss there, that is exactly what I do.

However, remember to do an alter system switch logfile, before
shutting the DB, then backup, restart, alter system switch logfile,
and take all the logfiles upto and including that created on the
second logfile switch.

I'd suspect that not switching before shutting down may be the
cause, but I'm working on the logic as to why.

Let me know how it goes.

Cheers

GJC

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Thank you for your reply,

Yes, you're quite right, I think the archive next to the cold backup
is
corrupted. The hot backup is always succeeded. But I wonder why is my
cold backup is largely end up with internal error or corrupted archive
log files. 

All I do for closed  backup is shutdown immediate, copy all
controlfiles, datafiles and redo log files to backup destination, and
then reopen the database. Is there any steps that I left which cause
the
archive log to be corrupted? Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Wendry.


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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:36 PM
To: Wendry

In which order did you perform the backups ?

Say you do the cold backup, and the next archive is corrupted.

You then do a hot backup. Restore the cold backup and the
archive needs to be applied.

Restore the hot backup, and it is after the corrupted archive.

Does the corruption occur with an archive used by the cold
backup, but not the hot backup ?

Cheers

GJC

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 Hi all,

 I have done closed and open backup on my database. Later on I try to
test
my
 backup. So I try the closed backup that I've taken. The backup
database can
 be opened succesfully. But when I try to recover database using
backup
 controlfile, the archive logs giving me internal error (sometimes
after
 applying 1st to 5th archive log), sometimes it gave me notification
that
the
 archive logs is corrupted.

 Strangely when I test my open backup, and recover it using the same
set of
 archive logs, the process went smoothly. So what is the real problem
here,
I
 really don't have any idea. Is there somebody have the same
experience? Now
 I'm in doubt of planning my backup schedule, please help... Thanks a
lot.

 Regards,

 Wendry.




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RE: Problem with archive log when testing recovery..., urgent

2004-01-12 Thread Wendry
Thank you for your reply,

Yes, you're quite right, I think the archive next to the cold backup is
corrupted. The hot backup is always succeeded. But I wonder why is my
cold backup is largely end up with internal error or corrupted archive
log files. 

All I do for closed  backup is shutdown immediate, copy all
controlfiles, datafiles and redo log files to backup destination, and
then reopen the database. Is there any steps that I left which cause the
archive log to be corrupted? Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Wendry.


-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:36 PM
To: Wendry

In which order did you perform the backups ?

Say you do the cold backup, and the next archive is corrupted.

You then do a hot backup. Restore the cold backup and the
archive needs to be applied.

Restore the hot backup, and it is after the corrupted archive.

Does the corruption occur with an archive used by the cold
backup, but not the hot backup ?

Cheers

GJC

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before anyone suspected hungry.

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Sent: 16 January 2004 03:16
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 Hi all,

 I have done closed and open backup on my database. Later on I try to
test
my
 backup. So I try the closed backup that I've taken. The backup
database can
 be opened succesfully. But when I try to recover database using
backup
 controlfile, the archive logs giving me internal error (sometimes
after
 applying 1st to 5th archive log), sometimes it gave me notification
that
the
 archive logs is corrupted.

 Strangely when I test my open backup, and recover it using the same
set of
 archive logs, the process went smoothly. So what is the real problem
here,
I
 really don't have any idea. Is there somebody have the same
experience? Now
 I'm in doubt of planning my backup schedule, please help... Thanks a
lot.

 Regards,

 Wendry.




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Re: Problem with archive log when testing recovery..., urgent

2004-01-12 Thread Tim Gorman
Are you certain that SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE succeeded?  There are lots of bugs
in MetaLink where it hangs or fails with ORA-00600...


on 1/12/04 7:04 AM, Wendry at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you for your reply,
 
 Yes, you're quite right, I think the archive next to the cold backup is
 corrupted. The hot backup is always succeeded. But I wonder why is my
 cold backup is largely end up with internal error or corrupted archive
 log files. 
 
 All I do for closed  backup is shutdown immediate, copy all
 controlfiles, datafiles and redo log files to backup destination, and
 then reopen the database. Is there any steps that I left which cause the
 archive log to be corrupted? Thank you in advance.
 
 Regards,
 
 Wendry.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:36 PM
 To: Wendry
 
 In which order did you perform the backups ?
 
 Say you do the cold backup, and the next archive is corrupted.
 
 You then do a hot backup. Restore the cold backup and the
 archive needs to be applied.
 
 Restore the hot backup, and it is after the corrupted archive.
 
 Does the corruption occur with an archive used by the cold
 backup, but not the hot backup ?
 
 Cheers
 
 GJC
 
 The fifty dwarves were reduced to eight,
 before anyone suspected hungry.
 
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 Hi all,
 
 I have done closed and open backup on my database. Later on I try to
 test
 my
 backup. So I try the closed backup that I've taken. The backup
 database can
 be opened succesfully. But when I try to recover database using
 backup
 controlfile, the archive logs giving me internal error (sometimes
 after
 applying 1st to 5th archive log), sometimes it gave me notification
 that
 the
 archive logs is corrupted.
 
 Strangely when I test my open backup, and recover it using the same
 set of
 archive logs, the process went smoothly. So what is the real problem
 here,
 I
 really don't have any idea. Is there somebody have the same
 experience? Now
 I'm in doubt of planning my backup schedule, please help... Thanks a
 lot.
 
 Regards,
 
 Wendry.
 
 
 
 
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.



Jared,

Are 
you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice display. 
Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high level 
stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 

With 
most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't database 
related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means application 
server, OS (NTfor app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,... 
stuff too. I'm still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and 
if/how it analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the 
papers on orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and 
Throughput).

Thanks.

Henry


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  stress testingAs the 
  ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to 
  investigate YAPP at 
  http://www.miracleas.dk/. The data generated gives a good indicator of 
  response time from a database 
  perspective. If you use it, ask me 
  for the patch. Jared 
  
  


  
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 Subject:stress 
  testingWe are planning on running some stress tests on a 
  PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solarissystem starting next week (using LoadRunner). I 
  have never gone through aformalized stress test before (most of my stress 
  is brought about informally).So far I am planning to gather statspack 
  information, and periodically getvmstat from the OS. Is there anything 
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.
John, 

Thanks for the tip. I've used sar and vmstat, but not in enough depth to have
any preferences. So far I don't have permissions for sar at this site, but I
should be able to get that.

Henry


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Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(

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Subject: stress testing


We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
gone through a
formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
about informally).
So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
periodically get
vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
collect? Thanks for the
help.

Henry

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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Jared Still
The patch I refer to is one I made that didn't make it into 
the most recent version of yapppack.

YP uses an array as internal storage, and walks through it
with a for i in 1..n loop.  Since arrays are sparsely populated
there is a fair chance of hitting an array element that does
not exist.

The patch consists of rewriting the loop with array.first/next/last
in a while loop to avoid the problem.

Yes, it is high level, but it can pinpoint time periods that you
may want to investigate.

Jared


On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 06:19, Poras, Henry R. wrote:
 Jared,
  
 Are you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice display.
 Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high level
 stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 
  
 With most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't database
 related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means application
 server, OS (NT for app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,  ... stuff too. I'm
 still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and if/how it
 analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the papers on
 orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and
 Throughput).
  
 Thanks.
  
 Henry
  
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to
 investigate YAPP 
 at http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of
 response time from 
 a database perspective. 
 
 If you use it, ask me for the patch. 
 
 Jared 
 
 
 
 
 
   Poras, Henry R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
  01/02/2004 10:54 AM 
  Please respond to ORACLE-L 
 
 
 
 To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 cc: 
 Subject:stress testing
 
 
 
 We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
 system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
 formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
 So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
 vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for the
 help.
 
 Henry
 
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RE: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread Poras, Henry R.
Good catch on the array. I never noticed that.

Henry


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Jared Still
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


The patch I refer to is one I made that didn't make it into 
the most recent version of yapppack.

YP uses an array as internal storage, and walks through it
with a for i in 1..n loop.  Since arrays are sparsely populated
there is a fair chance of hitting an array element that does
not exist.

The patch consists of rewriting the loop with array.first/next/last
in a while loop to avoid the problem.

Yes, it is high level, but it can pinpoint time periods that you
may want to investigate.

Jared


On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 06:19, Poras, Henry R. wrote:
 Jared,
  
 Are you talking about yapppack? I've been using that for a while (nice
display.
 Though like statspack it is system wide so I usually just look for high
level
 stuff and changes). Not aware of a patch though. 
  
 With most peoplesoft applications I have seen, the bottlenecks aren't
database
 related, though I still need to get all appropriate data. That means
application
 server, OS (NT for app server, Sun for Oracle), web server,  ... stuff
too. I'm
 still trying to find what numbers the tool itself gathers, and if/how it
 analyzes the stuff. In the meantime, I've been reviewing some of the
papers on
 orapub (i.e. Ratio Modeling, Predicting Computing System Capacity and
 Throughput).
  
 Thanks.
  
 Henry
  
 
 -Original Message-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like
to
 investigate YAPP 
 at http://www.miracleas.dk/.  The data generated gives a good indicator of
 response time from 
 a database perspective. 
 
 If you use it, ask me for the patch. 
 
 Jared 
 
 
 
 
 
   Poras, Henry R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
  01/02/2004 10:54 AM 
  Please respond to ORACLE-L 
 
 
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 cc: 
 Subject:stress testing
 
 
 
 We are planning on running some stress tests on a
PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
 system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
 formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about
informally).
 So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
 vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks
for the
 help.
 
 Henry
 
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Re: stress testing

2004-01-05 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi Tim

Tony Jambu here.  Saw your posting to Oracle-l with regards
to your sp_vmstat.sh script.  I am not sure if know but
I write a regular hints  tips column for Select Journal.
I read your article and would like to mention your script and
point people to the script. Do you mind if I mention it and 
also to point them to somewhere  where they are able to get a copy
of it?  Dont want them hassling you and sending emails requesting it.
Let me know what you think

ta
tony


At 09:14 AM 03/01/2004 -0800, Tim Gorman wrote:

Henry,

I use the attached shell script to gather and store VMSTAT information in a
custom table within the PERFSTAT schema (i.e. schema belonging to
STATSPACK).  Allows for some nice reporting over time, rather than
anecdotal here-and-there observations.  Should work OK on Solaris, HP, and
Linux.

Be aware:  the script expects to use the standard oraenv and dbhome
scripts to set up the Oracle environment variables, and expects a hidden
file in the $HOME directory of the owner's UNIX account for storing Oracle
passwords, and also has optional functionality to email/page in the event of
trouble.

Hope this helps...

-Tim

on 1/2/04 11:54 AM, Poras, Henry R. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
 system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
 formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
 So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
 vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for
 the
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Re: stress testing

2004-01-03 Thread Tim Gorman
Henry,

I use the attached shell script to gather and store VMSTAT information in a
custom table within the PERFSTAT schema (i.e. schema belonging to
STATSPACK).  Allows for some nice reporting over time, rather than
anecdotal here-and-there observations.  Should work OK on Solaris, HP, and
Linux.

Be aware:  the script expects to use the standard oraenv and dbhome
scripts to set up the Oracle environment variables, and expects a hidden
file in the $HOME directory of the owner's UNIX account for storing Oracle
passwords, and also has optional functionality to email/page in the event of
trouble.

Hope this helps...

-Tim

on 1/2/04 11:54 AM, Poras, Henry R. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
 system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
 formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
 So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
 vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for
 the
 help.
 
 Henry



sp_vmstat.sh
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stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Poras, Henry R.
We are planning on running some stress tests on a PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never gone through a
formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought about informally).
So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and periodically get
vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should collect? Thanks for the
help.

Henry

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Re: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Jared . Still

As the ultimate indicator of performance is response time, you might like to investigate YAPP
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a database perspective.

If you use it, ask me for the patch.

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RE: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread John Kanagaraj
Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
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We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
gone through a
formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
about informally).
So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
periodically get
vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
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help.

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RE: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Karniotis, Stephen
Henry:

   John is partially correct.  SAR, in concert with VMSTAT / IOSTAT, will
provide you with a wealth of information.  However, something is missing
from the equation here.  LoadRunner will generate scattered statistics on
overall performance of an application (sorry:  biased because Compuware has
a better tool), but misses the mark on what other things could affect
overall application performance.  For example, are you doing to perform a
virgin load test where no one is on the network and nothing but this
application is running on the client?  What about other traffic that would
affect overall performance throughout your enterprise network? What about
other applications/activities running on the client machines performing the
load test.  Only then will you have an effective measurement of application
performance in the real world.

   If you truly have to use LoadRunner, get some software that can measure
Network Performance as it relates to the load test and as it relates to
general network traffic.  The load test should account for other activity
being performed such as email, backups, file transfers, reading of
documents, etc.  Otherwise, your numbers will be skewed.

  Good luck.

Thank You

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Henry,

Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and swapping,
and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper on
this last IOUG, but couldn't go and present it :(

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We are planning on running some stress tests on a 
PeopleSoft/Oracle/Solaris
system starting next week (using LoadRunner). I have never 
gone through a
formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought 
about informally).
So far I am planning to gather statspack information, and 
periodically get
vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should 
collect? Thanks for the
help.

Henry

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Re: stress testing

2004-01-02 Thread Tanel Poder
And when you're doing stress testing, make sure you load your system for
quite long time.
Stress testing shouldn't only verify system performance, but it should also
test system's reliability.

One of my clients had a problem with Oracle Apps, where they did a stress
test for just one hour and concluded that the performance was acceptable.
But one of the components in Apps (forms server) started just hanging after
5-6 hours of usage in their system, so if they had done an automated stress
test over a weekend or even more, they'd have found it.

Also, any kind of testing should simulate real life, if possible -
otherwise you'll get results which might not match with future production
usage all. That means, the amounts of data should be similar, if you can use
a copy of real system for testing it'd be the best, also note that there
are probably different usage patterns in your future system (such as
month/year ending, campaign periods in retail businesses etc) so your system
has to cope with all of them.

Tanel.

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 Henry,

 Sar is a better tool than vmstat/iostat as it collects a broad range of
 information. Specifically, sar -q should show up CPU queueing and
swapping,
 and sar -v will show up file/process table overflow issues that may occur
 during stress testing. IMHO, sar is quite underutilized ( had a paper
on
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 formalized stress test before (most of my stress is brought
 about informally).
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 vmstat from the OS. Is there anything else that I should
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testing

2003-08-19 Thread Benny Pei
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Re: testing

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Re: Testing tools for custom applications developed using 100% Oracle

2003-06-08 Thread Yechiel Adar



I think that www.2train4.com have a testing 
tool.
also www.mercury.com have such a tool.

Yechiel AdarMehish

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Testing tools for custom applications developed using 100% Oracle

2003-06-06 Thread Baswannappa, Shiva



Hi All 
Gurus

My division is 
pondering over acquiring automated testing tools for applications and 
customizations made to the existing applications. Development is done using 
almost 100% oracle tools barring O/S scripts in Unix/W2K, external C/C++ 
routines and some automation for instruments. I am looking for automated testing 
tools that support robust oracle development. If you have come across such tools 
or used them or heard about them, I would appreciate some information on 
this.

Thanks in advance 
It's been a very fruitful association and have good weekend

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2003-02-27 Thread Mohoni, Uma



RE: Testing database links

2003-02-26 Thread Charu Joshi
Sorry for the delay in replying; something more urgent popped up.

Nope, the x$uganco doesn't show the db_links opened by other sessions. The
inst_id field looks like it would be useful only in Parallel Server
environments. Any other ideas?

I can't believe Oracle doesn't keep track of open database links. There must
be some x$ view for this. How to find it out?

Thanks  regards,
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There is an underlying x$table named x$uganco that contains a column
named inst_id which is being filtered in the view_definition for
V$DBLINK as found in V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION.  Selecting from the
x$uganco should do the trick.  Mind you there are no rows in there when
the links are not active so this may be a real problem for you in terms
of capturing all the links.

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I think I spoke too soon.

The v$dblink view shows the db_links opened by the current session only.

I want to be able to find out the db_links opened by all current
sessions and the sids for the sessions. This way I can monitor all the
application instances that opened the db_link and those that didn't
close it.

Thanks  regards,
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Darn!!

I had taken a hasty look at 'Oracle 8i reference', before posting the
query. Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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V$dblink

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-26 Thread Nelson, Allan
Sorry, no more ideas.

Allan

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Sorry for the delay in replying; something more urgent popped up.

Nope, the x$uganco doesn't show the db_links opened by other sessions.
The inst_id field looks like it would be useful only in Parallel Server
environments. Any other ideas?

I can't believe Oracle doesn't keep track of open database links. There
must be some x$ view for this. How to find it out?

Thanks  regards,
Charu.


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There is an underlying x$table named x$uganco that contains a column
named inst_id which is being filtered in the view_definition for
V$DBLINK as found in V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION.  Selecting from the
x$uganco should do the trick.  Mind you there are no rows in there when
the links are not active so this may be a real problem for you in terms
of capturing all the links.

Allan

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I think I spoke too soon.

The v$dblink view shows the db_links opened by the current session only.

I want to be able to find out the db_links opened by all current
sessions and the sids for the sessions. This way I can monitor all the
application instances that opened the db_link and those that didn't
close it.

Thanks  regards,
Charu.

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Darn!!

I had taken a hasty look at 'Oracle 8i reference', before posting the
query. Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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V$dblink

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu

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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-24 Thread Charu Joshi
I think I spoke too soon.

The v$dblink view shows the db_links opened by the current session only.

I want to be able to find out the db_links opened by all current sessions
and the sids for the sessions. This way I can monitor all the application
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Thanks  regards,
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Darn!!

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Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-24 Thread Nelson, Allan
There is an underlying x$table named x$uganco that contains a column
named inst_id which is being filtered in the view_definition for
V$DBLINK as found in V$FIXED_VIEW_DEFINITION.  Selecting from the
x$uganco should do the trick.  Mind you there are no rows in there when
the links are not active so this may be a real problem for you in terms
of capturing all the links.

Allan

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I think I spoke too soon.

The v$dblink view shows the db_links opened by the current session only.

I want to be able to find out the db_links opened by all current
sessions and the sids for the sessions. This way I can monitor all the
application instances that opened the db_link and those that didn't
close it.

Thanks  regards,
Charu.

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Darn!!

I had taken a hasty look at 'Oracle 8i reference', before posting the
query. Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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V$dblink

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
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Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Charu Joshi
Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from the
application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent closure.
We don't have any access to the remote system to check the remote session
being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu


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Re: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Arup Nanda
Charu,

The view V$DBLINK can show you if the link is in use.

select open_cursors, in_transaction
from v$dblonk
where db_link = 'mylink'

HTH.

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 Dear Listers,

 Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

 We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from the
 application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
 'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they claim!!).

 We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent closure.
 We don't have any access to the remote system to check the remote session
 being created and closed.

 Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
 database link being in use and closed again on the local database itself?

 Thanks  regards,
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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Nelson, Allan
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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

Thanks  regards,
Charu


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RE: Testing database links

2003-02-21 Thread Charu Joshi
Darn!!

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Not my day today.

Thanks Allan.

Regards,

Charu

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Dear Listers,

Oracle 8i HP-UX11.

We have a database link with a remote database which is accessed from
the application code. In the application code, a call is made to the
'dbms_session.close_database_link' procedure (that is what they
claim!!).

We want to track the call to the database link and the subsequent
closure. We don't have any access to the remote system to check the
remote session being created and closed.

Is there any way (dynamic performance view etc.) which would show the
database link being in use and closed again on the local database
itself?

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OT topic - Testing tools

2003-02-20 Thread Santosh Varma



Hello 
all,

 Sorry 
for this off-topic..i want to know what are the testing tools (like win-runner) 
available and any good sites are there on the net from where i can learn 
them...



Thanks and Regards,
Santosh 
Varma


Testing

2003-01-07 Thread Natalia Laracca






Re: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-03 Thread Jonathan Lewis

At a high level, I think the various pools operate in pretty
much the same way - but there are some differences,
some of which may be affected by various hidden
parameters.

For example, Steve Adams has this note (dated Oct 2000)
on his website as one of several observations on the 'new'
LRU mechanism.  Some details may have evolved since then, of course,
but it is a good indication of how the pools can be the same, but
different.

quote
By default, the KEEP and RECYCLE buffer pools do not have a hot
region,
but this can be changed by setting the _db_percent_hot_keep and
_db_percent_hot_recycle parameters to non-zero values.
Otherwise, the RECYCLE buffer pool has exactly the same LRU
semantics as the DEFAULT buffer pool - it is only the name that
is different - and the KEEP buffer pool differs only in that
buffers
read for long table scans are cached just below the hot region
rather than at the LRU end and consistent read buffers are
immediately
frozen.
/quote


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2. The KEEP and RECYCLE Pools aren't really special in any sense: the
buffer
algorithms are the same for these as for the DEFAULT pool - it is
just that
these pools are named so that tables can be defaulted to load into
any one
of them. By using this feature judiciously, you might be able to
avoid the
problems of unneccesary buffering during FTS on tables smaller than
the
threshhold without actually changing the undocumented parameter.

Jonathan: Awaiting your expert comments on this new twist :)




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Re: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-03 Thread Jay Hostetter
  The reason that I consider it a problem is that I have increased the physical IO on 
my database.  I see Full Table Scans on these two tables, which are large tables 
relative to the others.  I moved them to they RECYCLE pool so that they would have 
less of an impact on the DEFAULT pool.  By doing so, it looks like I am forcing the 
database to do more physical reads than it may have been doing with these tables in 
the DEFAULT pool.  I thought the FTS blocks would fight with each other (the blocks 
queried the most often would stay in the pool) over the RECYCLE pool, but the 
algorithm keeps the first blocks in place.  Knowing this, I think I need to 
re-evaluate whether or not these tables were causing a problem in the DEFAULT pool to 
begin with.
  I tried _db_percent_hot_recycle=10, but didn't really notice much of a difference.  
Since all of my blocks are read into this pool by FTS, I was hoping that it would 
consider some of them to be hot, thereby causing the rest to be flushed out faster.  I 
just wanted the hottest FTS blocks to stay in the RECYCLE pool, but that wasn't the 
case.

Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/03 06:44PM 

The 'problem' is, as you say, related to the tablescan.
Craig is correct that NORMALLY a full tablescan will
only permit a limited number of blocks to get into
the cache at the LRU end of the chain - the number
is typically the size of db_file_multblock_read_count.

There are a couple of special cases though, the first
being when there are free blocks in the buffer, Oracle
will just keep packing in the multiblock reads into
the cache until there are no free blocks left.  (And
specifically free means state=0).

The other special case I can think of at the moment
is when you have multiple tablescans going on
concurrently, and depending on precise timing you can
end up with multiples of db_file_multiblock_read_count
blocks from different tables near the LRU end of the
cache.


There was a period, I believe, when the RECYCLE pool
did behave a little differently (can anyone confirm this ?)
but in 9.2.0.2, it handles tablescans just the same way
as the default pool.




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Date: 02 January 2003 19:03


  So it seems like my problem is the full table scan.  Craig
Shallahammer mentions this in his All About Oracle's Touch-Count Data
Block Buffer Algoithm paper - The modified LRU algorithm places
full-table scanned blocks read into the buffer cache at the LRU end of
the LRU chain and only permits a limited number of these blocks to
exist in the cache at once.
  Using my second example (query ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY then
WORK_ORDER_STEP), I can get more blocks of WORK_ORDER_STEP into the
cache if I run queries that don't do full table scans.
  I still expected multiple queries against a table (full-scan or
otherwise) to replace the cache blocks that I was no longer using -
especially in the RECYCLE pool.  But it appears as though the
algorithm doesn't work that way.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-02 Thread Jonathan Lewis

I think you are seeing expected behaviour.

Blocks subject to tablescan are loaded in to the LRU
end of the cache, even when using a RECYCLE
cache.  However, if there are free blocks in the
cache (state = 0) Oracle uses those rather than
flushing other blocks.

Consequently, when you startup and scan
a 400 block table with a 1,000 block cache,
the whole 400 blocks will get into memory. Then
the next 10,000 block scan will start by using
the last 600 blocks of the cache before recycling
the last db_file_multiblock_read_count blocks.  By this
time, though, the 1st 400 blocks are at the MRU
end of the chain, and are not moved by the subsequent
tablescan.

If you start with the 10,000 block scan, the whole
cache is filled.  The second scan then keeps recycling
the last db_file_multiblock_read_count blocks (though
in your case I guess it's plus one - possibly a cleanout
block, possibly the segment header block which may
go into the Default pool in v9 - without pushing out
any more of the first 1,000 blocks from the first scan.

Periods of time shortly after startup are always likely
to show anomalous behaviour.



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-Original Message-
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 31 December 2002 19:31


I'm spending some time today experimenting with buffer pools in
8.1.7.  I have two tables that I have assigned to the RECYCLE pool.  I
have been running various queries that perform full table scans, then
checking the buffers to see what gets aged out. During my testing, it
seems like the first blocks to get into the RECYCLE buffer pool will
stay there.   The following two tables are assigned to the RECYCLE
pool.  No other segments are assigned to it:

WORK_ORDER_STEP - 428 blocks of data
ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY - 14152 blocks of data

The RECYCLE pool has 1000 blocks.

I startup the database, query the WORK_ORDER_STEP table (1 time),
then run multiple queries against the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table
(6 times), I see the following in the buffers (the source for this
query is at the end of my email):

BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
56914 0   .02
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP
431 1 0   .00

If I startup the database, query the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table
(1 time), then run multiple queries against the WORK_ORDER_STEP table
(6 queries), I get these results:

First query - 1000 blocks are used as expected
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
1000 2 0   .00


After querying the second table multiple times, I expected more than
just 9 blocks to be given up.  I expected more like 431 blocks.
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
991 2 0   .00
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP
9 4 0   .44

I expected the blocks (from the table that was queried first) to be
aged out as I queried the second table (over and over).  This does not
occur.  Am I hitting a bug or just misunderstanding the buffer
management algorithms?  ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY blocks should be LRU
as I hit the WORK_ORDER_STEP table over and over.

Thanks,
Jay


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Re: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-02 Thread Jay Hostetter
  So it seems like my problem is the full table scan.  Craig Shallahammer mentions 
this in his All About Oracle's Touch-Count Data Block Buffer Algoithm paper - The 
modified LRU algorithm places full-table scanned blocks read into the buffer cache at 
the LRU end of the LRU chain and only permits a limited number of these blocks to 
exist in the cache at once.
  Using my second example (query ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY then WORK_ORDER_STEP), I can 
get more blocks of WORK_ORDER_STEP into the cache if I run queries that don't do full 
table scans.
  I still expected multiple queries against a table (full-scan or otherwise) to 
replace the cache blocks that I was no longer using - especially in the RECYCLE pool.  
But it appears as though the algorithm doesn't work that way.

Thanks,
Jay

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/03 10:20AM 

I think you are seeing expected behaviour.

Blocks subject to tablescan are loaded in to the LRU
end of the cache, even when using a RECYCLE
cache.  However, if there are free blocks in the
cache (state = 0) Oracle uses those rather than
flushing other blocks.

Consequently, when you startup and scan
a 400 block table with a 1,000 block cache,
the whole 400 blocks will get into memory. Then
the next 10,000 block scan will start by using
the last 600 blocks of the cache before recycling
the last db_file_multiblock_read_count blocks.  By this
time, though, the 1st 400 blocks are at the MRU
end of the chain, and are not moved by the subsequent
tablescan.

If you start with the 10,000 block scan, the whole
cache is filled.  The second scan then keeps recycling
the last db_file_multiblock_read_count blocks (though
in your case I guess it's plus one - possibly a cleanout
block, possibly the segment header block which may
go into the Default pool in v9 - without pushing out
any more of the first 1,000 blocks from the first scan.

Periods of time shortly after startup are always likely
to show anomalous behaviour.



Regards

Jonathan Lewis
http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk 

Coming soon a new one-day tutorial:
Cost Based Optimisation
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-Original Message-
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 31 December 2002 19:31


I'm spending some time today experimenting with buffer pools in
8.1.7.  I have two tables that I have assigned to the RECYCLE pool.  I
have been running various queries that perform full table scans, then
checking the buffers to see what gets aged out. During my testing, it
seems like the first blocks to get into the RECYCLE buffer pool will
stay there.   The following two tables are assigned to the RECYCLE
pool.  No other segments are assigned to it:

WORK_ORDER_STEP - 428 blocks of data
ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY - 14152 blocks of data

The RECYCLE pool has 1000 blocks.

I startup the database, query the WORK_ORDER_STEP table (1 time),
then run multiple queries against the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table
(6 times), I see the following in the buffers (the source for this
query is at the end of my email):

BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
56914 0   .02
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP
431 1 0   .00

If I startup the database, query the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table
(1 time), then run multiple queries against the WORK_ORDER_STEP table
(6 queries), I get these results:

First query - 1000 blocks are used as expected
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
1000 2 0   .00


After querying the second table multiple times, I expected more than
just 9 blocks to be given up.  I expected more like 431 blocks.
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME
BLOCKS MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -
- - - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY
991 2 0   .00
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP
9 4 0   .44

I expected the blocks (from the table that was queried first) to be
aged out as I queried the second table (over and over).  This does not
occur.  Am I hitting a bug or just misunderstanding the buffer
management algorithms?  ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY blocks should be LRU
as I hit the WORK_ORDER_STEP table over and over.

Thanks,
Jay






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Re: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-02 Thread Jonathan Lewis

The 'problem' is, as you say, related to the tablescan.
Craig is correct that NORMALLY a full tablescan will
only permit a limited number of blocks to get into
the cache at the LRU end of the chain - the number
is typically the size of db_file_multblock_read_count.

There are a couple of special cases though, the first
being when there are free blocks in the buffer, Oracle
will just keep packing in the multiblock reads into
the cache until there are no free blocks left.  (And
specifically free means state=0).

The other special case I can think of at the moment
is when you have multiple tablescans going on
concurrently, and depending on precise timing you can
end up with multiples of db_file_multiblock_read_count
blocks from different tables near the LRU end of the
cache.


There was a period, I believe, when the RECYCLE pool
did behave a little differently (can anyone confirm this ?)
but in 9.2.0.2, it handles tablescans just the same way
as the default pool.




Regards

Jonathan Lewis
http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk

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-Original Message-
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 02 January 2003 19:03


  So it seems like my problem is the full table scan.  Craig
Shallahammer mentions this in his All About Oracle's Touch-Count Data
Block Buffer Algoithm paper - The modified LRU algorithm places
full-table scanned blocks read into the buffer cache at the LRU end of
the LRU chain and only permits a limited number of these blocks to
exist in the cache at once.
  Using my second example (query ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY then
WORK_ORDER_STEP), I can get more blocks of WORK_ORDER_STEP into the
cache if I run queries that don't do full table scans.
  I still expected multiple queries against a table (full-scan or
otherwise) to replace the cache blocks that I was no longer using -
especially in the RECYCLE pool.  But it appears as though the
algorithm doesn't work that way.

Thanks,
Jay



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RE: Buffer Pool Testing

2003-01-02 Thread John Kanagaraj
Jay,

Have you considered the default value of '_small_table_threshold'?
Apparently it defaults to 2% of the Buffer cache in 8i (haven't seen any
official docs to support this though) Also wondering how this works in
the case of the 'special' buffer pools in combination with the 'CACHE' and
'NOCACHE' option on the tables in question. Is my understanding that the
kernel would load a 'small' table into the MRU end rather than the LRU
correct? 

Two myths here: 

1. The 'old' docs (V6, V7.0??) said that small tables were 4 blocks or
lesser (or was it 5 blocks?). This carried over into the later versions
2. The KEEP and RECYCLE Pools aren't really special in any sense: the buffer
algorithms are the same for these as for the DEFAULT pool - it is just that
these pools are named so that tables can be defaulted to load into any one
of them. By using this feature judiciously, you might be able to avoid the
problems of unneccesary buffering during FTS on tables smaller than the
threshhold without actually changing the undocumented parameter.

Jonathan: Awaiting your expert comments on this new twist :)

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 -Original Message-
 From: Jonathan Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:44 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Buffer Pool Testing
 
 
 
 The 'problem' is, as you say, related to the tablescan.
 Craig is correct that NORMALLY a full tablescan will
 only permit a limited number of blocks to get into
 the cache at the LRU end of the chain - the number
 is typically the size of db_file_multblock_read_count.
 
 There are a couple of special cases though, the first
 being when there are free blocks in the buffer, Oracle
 will just keep packing in the multiblock reads into
 the cache until there are no free blocks left.  (And
 specifically free means state=0).
 
 The other special case I can think of at the moment
 is when you have multiple tablescans going on
 concurrently, and depending on precise timing you can
 end up with multiples of db_file_multiblock_read_count
 blocks from different tables near the LRU end of the
 cache.
 
 
 There was a period, I believe, when the RECYCLE pool
 did behave a little differently (can anyone confirm this ?)
 but in 9.2.0.2, it handles tablescans just the same way
 as the default pool.
 
 
 
 
 Regards
 
 Jonathan Lewis
 http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk
 
 Coming soon a new one-day tutorial:
 Cost Based Optimisation
 (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html )
 
 Next Seminar dates:
 (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html )
 
 England__January 21/23
 
 
 The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ
 http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 02 January 2003 19:03
 
 
   So it seems like my problem is the full table scan.  Craig
 Shallahammer mentions this in his All About Oracle's Touch-Count Data
 Block Buffer Algoithm paper - The modified LRU algorithm places
 full-table scanned blocks read into the buffer cache at the LRU end of
 the LRU chain and only permits a limited number of these blocks to
 exist in the cache at once.
   Using my second example (query ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY then
 WORK_ORDER_STEP), I can get more blocks of WORK_ORDER_STEP into the
 cache if I run queries that don't do full table scans.
   I still expected multiple queries against a table (full-scan or
 otherwise) to replace the cache blocks that I was no longer using -
 especially in the RECYCLE pool.  But it appears as though the
 algorithm doesn't work that way.
 
 Thanks,
 Jay
 
 
 
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Buffer Pool Testing

2002-12-31 Thread Jay Hostetter
I'm spending some time today experimenting with buffer pools in 8.1.7.  I have two 
tables that I have assigned to the RECYCLE pool.  I have been running various queries 
that perform full table scans, then checking the buffers to see what gets aged out. 
During my testing, it seems like the first blocks to get into the RECYCLE buffer pool 
will stay there.   The following two tables are assigned to the RECYCLE pool.  No 
other segments are assigned to it:

WORK_ORDER_STEP - 428 blocks of data
ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY - 14152 blocks of data

The RECYCLE pool has 1000 blocks.

I startup the database, query the WORK_ORDER_STEP table (1 time), then run multiple 
queries against the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table (6 times), I see the following in 
the buffers (the source for this query is at the end of my email):

BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME   BLOCKS 
MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -- 
- - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY  569
14 0   .02
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP   431 
1 0   .00

If I startup the database, query the ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY table (1 time), then run 
multiple queries against the WORK_ORDER_STEP table (6 queries), I get these results:

First query - 1000 blocks are used as expected
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME   BLOCKS 
MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -- 
- - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY 1000 
2 0   .00


After querying the second table multiple times, I expected more than just 9 blocks to 
be given up.  I expected more like 431 blocks.
BP_NAME  OBJ_OWNER   NAME   BLOCKS 
MAX_TOUCH MIN_TOUCH AVG_TOUCH
 --- -- -- 
- - -
RECYCLE  BIS ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY  991 
2 0   .00
RECYCLE  WRKORD  WORK_ORDER_STEP 9 
4 0   .44

I expected the blocks (from the table that was queried first) to be aged out as I 
queried the second table (over and over).  This does not occur.  Am I hitting a bug or 
just misunderstanding the buffer management algorithms?  ALRA_TRANSACTION_HISTORY 
blocks should be LRU as I hit the WORK_ORDER_STEP table over and over.

Thanks,
Jay

Here is the query that I use to check what is in the buffer pools:
select bpd.bp_name, 
   u.name   obj_owner,
   o.name, 
   count(*) BLOCKS,
   max(tch) max_touch,
   min(tch) min_touch,
   avg(tch) avg_touch 
 from x$kcbwds  wds, /* working data sets */
  x$kcbwbpd bpd, /* buffer pools */
  x$bh bh,   /* buffer headers */
  obj$ o,/* objects */
  user$ u
where wds.set_id = bpd.bp_lo_sid 
  and wds.set_id = bpd.bp_hi_sid 
  and bpd.bp_size != 0 
  and bh.indx between wds.start_buf# and wds.end_buf# 
  and o.dataobj# = bh.obj 
  and bh.state !=0 
  and o.owner# !=0   /* exclude sys */
  and o.owner# = u.user#
  group by bpd.bp_name, u.name, o.name
  order by bpd.bp_name, u.name, o.name
;



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Testing

2002-11-21 Thread Natalia Lorena Laracca






RE: Testing

2002-11-21 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
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Rollback Segment Size Testing.

2002-11-12 Thread chao_ping
hi, list friends:
I am interested in that 
topic:http://www.ioug.org/ioug_s/repository_pkg.doc?v_tech_content_dtl_phy_id=7666
I am also considering whether too large rbs segment size does have adverse 
impact on database performance. In my production (OLTP) i configured rbs to be 1m*20 
extents. But from v$rollstat and statspack, the average active size is 1.5M. I am 
considering whether it is too large and shrink it to 128k*20 will help.(but hard to 
find out the performance gains as it is a big system).
If anyone in this list have IOUG membership, can you send me a copy? And i 
hope friends have experience on this topic can share your experience





Regards
zhu chao
Eachnet DBA
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Re: Rollback Segment Size Testing.

2002-11-12 Thread Tim Gorman
Zhu Chao,

Please be aware that rollback segments serve two major purposes:

* recover individual transactions (i.e. rollback)
* provide before-image information for read-consistency

The information you are getting from V$ROLLSTAT and STATSPACK is accurate at
measuring the first purpose only.  Until Oracle9i and the V$UNDOSTAT view
that accompanies the use of UNDO tablespaces, it is very difficult to
estimate how much space is necessary to satisfy the needs of SQL statements
requiring before-image information in order to complete successfully without
the ORA-01555 snapshot too old error message.

First of all, the size or number of extents in a rollback segment does not
affect the performance of SQL statements.  Of course, if the size of the
extents is extremely small and the number of extents varies wildly up and
down, then the sheer overhead of extent maintenance might be a performance
factor.  Since you are examining V$ROLLSTAT and STATSPACK, you have info as
to whether this is happening in hand (i.e. columns EXTENDS and SHRINKS in
V$ROLLSTAT)...

So, since there is no adverse impact related to the number and size of
extents for RBS (other than that mentioned above, easily verifiable), and
since reducing the amount of space in your RBS can increase the probability
of incurring the ORA-01555 error, I'd like to suggest that the only
advantage you can gain by reducing the size or number of extents is saving
space.  Is space a concern?

Summary:  be careful and be alert for the incidence of the ORA-01555 error
message.  Since only end-users become aware of it (i.e. it is not logged in
alert.log or in trace files), you might want to activate an AFTER
SERVERERROR database-event trigger (if you are running 8i or above) to log
occurrances of it.  Otherwise, you'll need to be certain that end-users have
a reliable feedback mechanism to alert you to any changes in the frequency
of ORA-01555.

All in all, I think you should leave things alone, unless there is a
quantifiable problem.

Just some things to consider...

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Stress Testing Peoplesoft App

2002-09-12 Thread Post, Ethan

Anybody have experience with stress testing software for Peoplesoft?  Links,
thoughts, comments etc...

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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-06 Thread Peter . McLarty

Just catching up after the long weekend here, 

I have been under the understanding that if you are a development partner 
then you are covered for all products for as many installations for 
testing and development and learning purposes.
Is this wrong or changed ?? 
If not then it may be in your interests to check out partner status and 
the value of joining the partner program.

Oracle PartnerNetwork Policy Document is the one which states this and as 
it was explained to me by an Oracle Partner Account Manager a year or so 
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Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread O'Neill, Sean

We're planning to set-up some test servers here and I'm wondering what the
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term testing and to try out various DR scenarios etc.  I'd guess there's
an Oracle view which would be if you install on server you pay a licence,
(correct?).  Is there some workaround for this?.  All creative ideas welcome
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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Farnsworth, Dave

Would the personal edition work for you?  I don't think there would be a licensing 
issue with this.

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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread johanna . doran


As far as I am aware : NO.  It has played a major role in me not being able to obtain 
some more test boxes at my current job.  I believe the licensing is a little better, 
but it is still there.  Plus, you also need the OS (Sun Solaris) so you get hit there 
too.

Hannah


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 an Oracle view which would be if you install on server you pay a licence,
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Re: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Rachel_Carmichael



You could talk to your sales rep about short-term licensing, or you could just
do it and hope they don't discover it. I've found that temporary servers have
a tendency to become permanent though.


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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Weaver, Walt

Last time I checked Oracle on Linux is free if it's used for testing only.
If you don't mind using Linux (we use it extensively) it could be a viable
option.

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You could talk to your sales rep about short-term licensing, or you could
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We're planning to set-up some test servers here and I'm wondering what the
practice is out there regarding licences for same.  This is only for short
term testing and to try out various DR scenarios etc.  I'd guess there's
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:)

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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

I would not think you would need a license for evaluating the software.  However, once 
you cross the line into development or production licensing is mandatory.  

Unless things have changed, the Oracle LINUX client is free, but the LINUX server 
requires licensing as defined above.

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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Kimberly Smith

Download the 30 day trial from OTN

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RE: Licences for testing

2002-05-03 Thread Kimberly Smith

Personal Oracle is indeed a product that needs to be licensed.

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Would the personal edition work for you?  I don't think there would be a
licensing issue with this.

Dave

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We're planning to set-up some test servers here and I'm wondering what the
practice is out there regarding licences for same.  This is only for short
term testing and to try out various DR scenarios etc.  I'd guess there's
an Oracle view which would be if you install on server you pay a licence,
(correct?).  Is there some workaround for this?.  All creative ideas welcome
:)

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Log on denied.... from script: Urgent - Pre-production Testing

2002-04-19 Thread johanna . doran

Hi,

We have an ETL script that logs onto the db.  The scripts usually runs without 
error.  During pre-production testing, we rec'd a logon denied error message.  We 
re-ran the scripts and all was fine.

I did not see anything in the alert log, only message for today was a redo log 
roll.  Can anyone point me in the direction to troubleshoot this issue.  We are in the 
testing phase of a system that is scheduled to go live and I am not preparded to allow 
this type of thing to slip by.

Are there some other misc log either on Unix or Oracle that I can check to see 
what may have happed?

I am running Oracle 8.1.7. on Sun Solaris 8 (both 64 bit).  I would like to see if 
maybe there are semaphores for sessions etc that may need to be adjusted.

Thanks,

Hannah

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RE: error testing jdbc connectin

2002-03-26 Thread Ticha Murehwa

Hi Charlie
Via SQL*Plus I get connected without any problem via SQL*Net.
When using the JdbcCheckup.java program,it sends back messages on whatever
has gone through and one of them is the notification that it has connected
successfully.
If you look at the program which as I mentioned earlier on comes with the
samples, you will notice that the next part is the selection of 'Hello
world' from dual.
Regards
Tich

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If I were faced with this situation, I'd tackle in in the following manner.
Part of the reason is that on a good day I can only spell Java. IMO, you
need to determine if you have a Java problem or a more basic SQL*Net
problem.
Unless  until you can connect to the DB via SQL*Net using some other flavor
of client s/w; such as SQL*Plus or Access, etc. I'd ignore the Java angle.
Are you REALLY sure that it connetcts OK?

Ticha Murehwa wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I hope you can help me out with this.
 I am running JdbcCheckup connection that comes as part of jdbc samples on
 oracle 9.0.1
 I am running win2k and I get the following error.Unfortunately I dont have
 access to metalink.
 Can anyone help me out .
 Oracle 9i is the downloadable one on technet.
 The program connects fine but as soon as it does the select it gives this
 error
 
 Exception in thread main java.sql.SQLException: ORA-00600: internal
error
 code
 , arguments: [ttcgcshnd-1], [0], [], [], [], [], [], []
 
 at
oracle.jdbc.dbaccess.DBError.throwSqlException(DBError.java:168)
 at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTIoer.processError(TTIoer.java:208)
 at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.Oall7.receive(Oall7.java:543)
 at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTC7Protocol.doOall7(TTC7Protocol.java:1405)
 at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTC7Protocol.fetch(TTC7Protocol.java:889)
 at
 oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.doExecuteQuery(OracleStatement.jav
 a:1681)
 at
 oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.doExecuteWithTimeout(OracleStateme
 nt.java:1870)
 at
 oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.executeQuery(OracleStatement.java:
 538)
 at JdbcCheckup.main(JdbcCheckup.java:55)
 
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 Tich
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error testing jdbc connectin

2002-03-25 Thread Ticha Murehwa

Hi all
I hope you can help me out with this.
I am running JdbcCheckup connection that comes as part of jdbc samples on
oracle 9.0.1
I am running win2k and I get the following error.Unfortunately I dont have
access to metalink.
Can anyone help me out .
Oracle 9i is the downloadable one on technet.
The program connects fine but as soon as it does the select it gives this
error

Exception in thread main java.sql.SQLException: ORA-00600: internal error
code
, arguments: [ttcgcshnd-1], [0], [], [], [], [], [], []

at oracle.jdbc.dbaccess.DBError.throwSqlException(DBError.java:168)
at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTIoer.processError(TTIoer.java:208)
at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.Oall7.receive(Oall7.java:543)
at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTC7Protocol.doOall7(TTC7Protocol.java:1405)
at oracle.jdbc.ttc7.TTC7Protocol.fetch(TTC7Protocol.java:889)
at
oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.doExecuteQuery(OracleStatement.jav
a:1681)
at
oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.doExecuteWithTimeout(OracleStateme
nt.java:1870)
at
oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleStatement.executeQuery(OracleStatement.java:
538)
at JdbcCheckup.main(JdbcCheckup.java:55)


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Load Testing Help Needed

2002-03-22 Thread Ed

Can anyone recommend and low cost tool(s) for load testing a database 
server?  I looked at Quest's Benchmark Factory, but it doesn't provide 
the flexibility I need in this situation I'm facing The $15K I was 
quoted for the Quest tool is a bit pricey, so I don't believe more 
expensive tools (e.g., Load Runner) are viable candidates.

Here's what I have to work with:

I will have a log file from our mid tier server that will contain all 
the SQL generated by the application.  However, since the system is not 
in production, I will be limited to using a single user or small group 
to simulate use of the application.  Therefore, I will have to find a 
way to scale the limited capture to production-like levels and 
substitute values for transactions and queries.

Can anyone recommend a tool(s) that would allow me to 1) automate 
substitution of values in WHERE clauses and INSERT/UPDATE statements and 
2) perform load testing using ascii files as the input?

TIA for your help,

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RE: Load Testing Help Needed

2002-03-22 Thread Gogala, Mladen

The low cost testing tool that will do the job is called sqlplus.
Just develop your scripts and fire away

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 Subject: Load Testing Help Needed
 
 
 Can anyone recommend and low cost tool(s) for load testing a database 
 server?  I looked at Quest's Benchmark Factory, but it 
 doesn't provide 
 the flexibility I need in this situation I'm facing The $15K I was 
 quoted for the Quest tool is a bit pricey, so I don't believe more 
 expensive tools (e.g., Load Runner) are viable candidates.
 
 Here's what I have to work with:
 
 I will have a log file from our mid tier server that will contain all 
 the SQL generated by the application.  However, since the 
 system is not 
 in production, I will be limited to using a single user or 
 small group 
 to simulate use of the application.  Therefore, I will have to find a 
 way to scale the limited capture to production-like levels and 
 substitute values for transactions and queries.
 
 Can anyone recommend a tool(s) that would allow me to 1) automate 
 substitution of values in WHERE clauses and INSERT/UPDATE 
 statements and 
 2) perform load testing using ascii files as the input?
 
 TIA for your help,
 
 Ed
 
 
  
 
 
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RE: Load Testing Help Needed

2002-03-22 Thread Sakthi , Raj

Check out Craig Shalamahar site
www.orapub.com under tools. He got a free loadtesting
tool.

Cheers,
RS

  Can anyone recommend and low cost tool(s) for load
 testing a database 
  server?  I looked at Quest's Benchmark Factory,
 but it 
  doesn't provide 
  the flexibility I need in this situation I'm
 facing The $15K I was 
  quoted for the Quest tool is a bit pricey, so I
 don't believe more 
  expensive tools (e.g., Load Runner) are viable
 candidates.
  
  Here's what I have to work with:
  
  I will have a log file from our mid tier server
 that will contain all 
  the SQL generated by the application.  However,
 since the 
  system is not 
  in production, I will be limited to using a single
 user or 
  small group 
  to simulate use of the application.  Therefore, I
 will have to find a 
  way to scale the limited capture to
 production-like levels and 
  substitute values for transactions and queries.
  
  Can anyone recommend a tool(s) that would allow me
 to 1) automate 
  substitution of values in WHERE clauses and
 INSERT/UPDATE 
  statements and 
  2) perform load testing using ascii files as the
 input?
  
  TIA for your help,
  
  Ed
  
  
   
  
  
 

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Re: Load Testing Help Needed

2002-03-22 Thread Stephane Faroult

Ed wrote:
 
 Can anyone recommend and low cost tool(s) for load testing a database
 server?  I looked at Quest's Benchmark Factory, but it doesn't provide
 the flexibility I need in this situation I'm facing The $15K I was
 quoted for the Quest tool is a bit pricey, so I don't believe more
 expensive tools (e.g., Load Runner) are viable candidates.
 
 Here's what I have to work with:
 
 I will have a log file from our mid tier server that will contain all
 the SQL generated by the application.  However, since the system is not
 in production, I will be limited to using a single user or small group
 to simulate use of the application.  Therefore, I will have to find a
 way to scale the limited capture to production-like levels and
 substitute values for transactions and queries.
 
 Can anyone recommend a tool(s) that would allow me to 1) automate
 substitution of values in WHERE clauses and INSERT/UPDATE statements and
 2) perform load testing using ascii files as the input?
 
 TIA for your help,
 
 Ed
 
 

SALES_PLUG

Ed,

   You can have a look at Simuload, which we have not developed but
which we market, on the Oriole site (http://www.oriole.com). Compared to
other products it's a bit crude (we contemplate wrapping it in a nice
GUI in the future, it has been written by a hard-core Unix developer,
ex-Digital, ex-Sun and now Oracle, and it shows), you may have a bit of
work to do (wrapping SQL statements in PL/SQL procedures, chiefly) but
it's not very expensive and gives results relatively easily.

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Re: testing freelists

2002-02-22 Thread Robert Eskridge

(20 days later -- occurrences aren't that common)

Jared,

Ok, I've re-RTFM'd the Concepts manual and have dog eared Steve's book
unbelievably.  I've used the event 10046 traces while the blocking
lock event was going on.  The curious thing is that I'm not seeing any
buffer busy waits.  The blocked process sits there and cranks out an
equeue wait trace every 3 seconds and does not report a file, block
or row that it is waiting on.  If I'm reading Steve's book correctly,
I should see file and block but no row if it's an initrans problem, so
that's out.

In Katz's article in the Feb 2002 elementK Journal he says that if all
three are 0 then it's a problem with free space in the block and maybe
pctfree is low. The table I'm inserting into has 2k blocks and
PCTFREE=30.  The insert is only populating 7 of the 185 columns,
that's 6 varchar2's and a date.  There should be plenty of room,
unless as you pointed out that the problem was really not in this
table -- possibly in the indexes.  This guy does have 15 indexes (all
single column, all PCTFREE=10).  A curious thing is that when I look
at the blocker, he shows that he's blocking on 2 tables, this one that
he has a transaction open on, and a journaling table that triggers off
the first insert into -- but his rows are only 70 bytes and he has
PCTFREE=10 also.

So I've got 17 suspects, all with plausible alibis.  And I haven't
figured out how to get the enqueue wait to squeal on any of them.  If
I'm understanding the file=0 block=0 row=0 properly, he tried, he
couldn't get a block so he waits 3 seconds and tries again
indefinately.  But when one of these happens, I see a rash of them so
something's causing it.

I keep returning to free lists.  This is an evolved application (he
says euphemistically) and it's had a freelist=1 on everything since it
slithered out of the slime.  Now it's running on a 4 cpu sparc.  I'm
wondering if the free list is just getting overran and if bumping it
to the sometimes advised cpu*2 could clear the problem.  I have
lingering doubts because I haven't found anything that specifically
says what I should be seeing when that happens.

So I guess I should try to make this into a question hmmn...

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

-rje



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 Date: Tuesday, February 05, 2002, 10:36:27 AM
 Subject: testing freelists
 
 ===8==Original message text===
 Robert,
 
 Simulating the problem and proving the correction is an excellent idea.
 
 One thing to consider when putting together your testing scenario is
 that writes to the database block by a transaction are done in memory,
 that is they are made to the cached database blocks.
 
 An internal locking mechanism ( a latch ) is used to control access to
 the cache, and it is normally held for only a short time.
 
 The data may be written to the disk before a commit, and it may not
 be written to disk until after a commit.  ( referring to datafiles only
 here, not the redo log ).
 
 The 60 second sleep in your script is only simulating user think time,
 it's not actually blocking anything.  You will need to similate several
 session simultaneously inserting, and you will need to know if the 
 contention
 is in the table or in an index: I'm guessing it's an index or indexes.
 
 Some time spent with the Concepts manual would help you out here.
 
 Here's an excerpt from the section on database writer:
 
 Database Writer (DBWn) 
 
 The database writer writes modified blocks from the database buffer 
 cache to the datafiles. Although one database writer process (DBW0) 
 is sufficient for most systems, you can configure additional processes
 (DBW1 through DBW9) to improve write performance for a system that 
 modifies data heavily. The initialization parameter DB_WRITER_PROCESSES 
 specifies the number of DBWn processes. 
 
 Since Oracle uses write-ahead logging, DBWn does not need to write 
 blocks when a transaction commits. Instead, DBWn is designed to perform 
 batched
 writes with high efficiency. In the most common case, DBWn writes only 
 when more 
 data needs to be read into the system global area and too few database
 buffers are free. The least recently used data is written to the datafiles 
 first. DBWn 
 also performs writes for other functions such as checkpointing. 
 
 Take a look at Chapter 15 on Transactions as well.
 
 Also check out Steve Adams' web site, www.ixora.com.au.  Lots of 
 interesting stuff
 there if you want to learn about the internals.  Here's an excerpt from 
 the section
 on Free lists:
 
 As mentioned previously, free list contention occurs when multiple 
 processes using the same free list attempt to modify the data block on the 
 head of the free list concurrently. It is shown in V$WAITSTAT against the data block 
class. V$WAITSTAT can also show contention for the segment header and free list 
blocks. This occurs where multiple transaction in the same free

Re: testing freelists

2002-02-22 Thread Anjo Kolk

See my comments in the text:


Robert Eskridge wrote:

 (20 days later -- occurrences aren't that common)

 Jared,

 Ok, I've re-RTFM'd the Concepts manual and have dog eared Steve's book
 unbelievably.  I've used the event 10046 traces while the blocking
 lock event was going on.  The curious thing is that I'm not seeing any
 buffer busy waits.  The blocked process sits there and cranks out an
 equeue wait trace every 3 seconds and does not report a file, block
 or row that it is waiting on.  If I'm reading Steve's book correctly,
 I should see file and block but no row if it's an initrans problem, so
 that's out.


I am assuming that the mode for the TX enqueue is 4. Right ?



 In Katz's article in the Feb 2002 elementK Journal he says that if all
 three are 0 then it's a problem with free space in the block and maybe
 pctfree is low. The table I'm inserting into has 2k blocks and
 PCTFREE=30.  The insert is only populating 7 of the 185 columns,
 that's 6 varchar2's and a date.  There should be plenty of room,
 unless as you pointed out that the problem was really not in this
 table -- possibly in the indexes.  This guy does have 15 indexes (all
 single column, all PCTFREE=10).  A curious thing is that when I look
 at the blocker, he shows that he's blocking on 2 tables, this one that
 he has a transaction open on, and a journaling table that triggers off
 the first insert into -- but his rows are only 70 bytes and he has
 PCTFREE=10 also.


Are the indexes UNIQUE ? If yes, what is the chance of people inserting into with the 
same value ?
Are the indexes BITMAP ?



 So I've got 17 suspects, all with plausible alibis.  And I haven't
 figured out how to get the enqueue wait to squeal on any of them.  If
 I'm understanding the file=0 block=0 row=0 properly, he tried, he
 couldn't get a block so he waits 3 seconds and tries again
 indefinately.  But when one of these happens, I see a rash of them so
 something's causing it.


Forget about the file, block, row values. They don't mean a thing if you are not 
waiting
on TX mode 6.


 I keep returning to free lists.  This is an evolved application (he
 says euphemistically) and it's had a freelist=1 on everything since it
 slithered out of the slime.  Now it's running on a 4 cpu sparc.  I'm
 wondering if the free list is just getting overran and if bumping it
 to the sometimes advised cpu*2 could clear the problem.  I have
 lingering doubts because I haven't found anything that specifically
 says what I should be seeing when that happens.


The only freelist problem that you could have is transaction freelists. But you
are doing inserts so that is not the case here.



 So I guess I should try to make this into a question hmmn...

 Am I barking up the wrong tree?


The right tree, but the tree doesn't understand barking ;-)

Anjo.


 -rje

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  Robert,
 
  Simulating the problem and proving the correction is an excellent idea.
 
  One thing to consider when putting together your testing scenario is
  that writes to the database block by a transaction are done in memory,
  that is they are made to the cached database blocks.
 
  An internal locking mechanism ( a latch ) is used to control access to
  the cache, and it is normally held for only a short time.
 
  The data may be written to the disk before a commit, and it may not
  be written to disk until after a commit.  ( referring to datafiles only
  here, not the redo log ).
 
  The 60 second sleep in your script is only simulating user think time,
  it's not actually blocking anything.  You will need to similate several
  session simultaneously inserting, and you will need to know if the
  contention
  is in the table or in an index: I'm guessing it's an index or indexes.
 
  Some time spent with the Concepts manual would help you out here.
 
  Here's an excerpt from the section on database writer:
 
  Database Writer (DBWn)
 
  The database writer writes modified blocks from the database buffer
  cache to the datafiles. Although one database writer process (DBW0)
  is sufficient for most systems, you can configure additional processes
  (DBW1 through DBW9) to improve write performance for a system that
  modifies data heavily. The initialization parameter DB_WRITER_PROCESSES
  specifies the number of DBWn processes.
 
  Since Oracle uses write-ahead logging, DBWn does not need to write
  blocks when a transaction commits. Instead, DBWn is designed to perform
  batched
  writes with high efficiency. In the most common case, DBWn writes only
  when more
  data needs to be read into the system global area and too few database
  buffers are free. The least recently used data is written to the datafiles
  first. DBWn
  also performs writes for other functions such as checkpointing

testing -- NO MESSAGE

2002-02-21 Thread Hatzistavrou Giannis



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Re: testing freelists

2002-02-05 Thread Jared . Still

Robert,

Simulating the problem and proving the correction is an excellent idea.

One thing to consider when putting together your testing scenario is
that writes to the database block by a transaction are done in memory,
that is they are made to the cached database blocks.

An internal locking mechanism ( a latch ) is used to control access to
the cache, and it is normally held for only a short time.

The data may be written to the disk before a commit, and it may not
be written to disk until after a commit.  ( referring to datafiles only
here, not the redo log ).

The 60 second sleep in your script is only simulating user think time,
it's not actually blocking anything.  You will need to similate several
session simultaneously inserting, and you will need to know if the 
contention
is in the table or in an index: I'm guessing it's an index or indexes.

Some time spent with the Concepts manual would help you out here.

Here's an excerpt from the section on database writer:

Database Writer (DBWn) 

The database writer writes modified blocks from the database buffer 
cache to the datafiles. Although one database writer process (DBW0) 
is sufficient for most systems, you can configure additional processes
(DBW1 through DBW9) to improve write performance for a system that 
modifies data heavily. The initialization parameter DB_WRITER_PROCESSES 
specifies the number of DBWn processes. 

Since Oracle uses write-ahead logging, DBWn does not need to write 
blocks when a transaction commits. Instead, DBWn is designed to perform 
batched
writes with high efficiency. In the most common case, DBWn writes only 
when more 
data needs to be read into the system global area and too few database
buffers are free. The least recently used data is written to the datafiles 
first. DBWn 
also performs writes for other functions such as checkpointing. 

Take a look at Chapter 15 on Transactions as well.

Also check out Steve Adams' web site, www.ixora.com.au.  Lots of 
interesting stuff
there if you want to learn about the internals.  Here's an excerpt from 
the section
on Free lists:

As mentioned previously, free list contention occurs when multiple 
processes using the same free list attempt to modify the data block on the 
head of the free list concurrently. It is shown in V$WAITSTAT against the data block 
class. V$WAITSTAT can also show contention for the segment header and free list 
blocks. This occurs where multiple transaction in the same free list 
group need to update their free list header records simultaneously. There 
are various ways of addressing these problems such as rebuilding the table 
with more free list groups, or increasing _bump_highwater_mark_count, or the novel 
idea of fixing the application. 
To drill down on which segments are causing data block contention, I suggested using 
event 10046, level 8. This creates a trace 
file much like to one produced by the sql_trace facility, except that for each event 
wait a line is printed to the trace 
file. In particular, each buffer busy wait is recorded together with the 
P1 and P2 values which are the data file and block number of the wait. So 
to find which blocks a process has been waiting on, you just grep the trace file for 
buffer busy waits lines and produce a histogram of the file and block numbers most 
commonly 
waited for. Once you have suspect file and block numbers, you can relate 
them to a segment by querying DBA_EXTENTS. In the case of free list 
contention on a table it is common to have several hot blocks just below 
the high water mark for the segment. 

If you really want to learn the internals, his book is excellent for that. 
 It's not normally necessary
IMO to delve that deep into the internals to deal with tuning problems, at 
least in my experience.

It will certainly help you develop insight and intuition as to what is 
going on with your database though.

HTH

Jared






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I've got a database that I'm experiencing blocking locks on insert
statements into the largest, most active transaction table.  The
freelists currently=1 and it's on a 4 CPU Sparc under 8.0.5 in a 24/7
environment.

I think this points to freelists needing to be increased. The powers
that be want a guarantee before they give me a maintenance window so I
can go through the rebuild on this table to change the freelists.
(We've got an 8.1.7 conversion project going but this can't wait.)

So I'm trying to put together a test set to prove that the freelist
increase will help.  What I've  been trying has two parts.  A simple
sql script like:

$cat blocktest.sql
insert into block_test values 
('

testing freelists

2002-02-04 Thread Robert Eskridge

I've got a database that I'm experiencing blocking locks on insert
statements into the largest, most active transaction table.  The
freelists currently=1 and it's on a 4 CPU Sparc under 8.0.5 in a 24/7
environment.

I think this points to freelists needing to be increased. The powers
that be want a guarantee before they give me a maintenance window so I
can go through the rebuild on this table to change the freelists.
(We've got an 8.1.7 conversion project going but this can't wait.)

So I'm trying to put together a test set to prove that the freelist
increase will help.  What I've  been trying has two parts.  A simple
sql script like:

$cat blocktest.sql
insert into block_test values ('



xx');
host sleep 60
commit;
exit;

And a shell script to run it.

$ cat block.sh
itr=1
echo $itr
while :
do
sqlplus me/mypasswd@sid @blocktest 
itr=`expr $itr + 1 `
echo $itr
if [ $itr -eq $1 ]
then
  break
fi
done

I've run starting up to the max processes allowed by the database, and
still don't get the blocking lock on the database.  If I can't get
blocking locks to appear in a test situation, then I can't prove that
increasing the freelists helps the situation.

Any suggestions?

-rje


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Re: Testing

2001-12-07 Thread Jared . Still


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Testing

2001-11-30 Thread Jared . Still


Testing to see if the server is working properly.

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Ang: Testing

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Efficiency testing

2001-11-14 Thread pradeep


Hi,

Could somebody tell me  what all to be considered for testing the
efficiency of an Oracle database application ?

Thanks and Regards
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testing

2001-09-23 Thread Mario Brenes

test
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testing new header

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Re: OT: Application stress testing tool

2001-09-06 Thread Stefan Jahnke

Hi,

look for WinRunner. I think it does that stuff and is scriptable (of
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OT: Application stress testing tool

2001-09-05 Thread Val_Gamerman/Victoria_Financial . VICTORIA_FINANCIAL




Hello,

Apologies for an off-topic posting.

Does anybody have any positive or negative experience with any system
stress testing tools?

I do not mean DB stress testing (we have software fot that) but a test
package for system with a fat GUI client?

Need something that would simulate user input (keystrokes/mouse clicks),
allow scripting, simulate multiple users and record results so that they
can be analyzed later.

Any info would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
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RE: Application stress testing tool

2001-09-05 Thread Christopher Spence

SQA robot is suppose to be one of the best.

Out of curiosity, what do you do on the DB end?

Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.

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Hello,

Apologies for an off-topic posting.

Does anybody have any positive or negative experience with any system stress
testing tools?

I do not mean DB stress testing (we have software fot that) but a test
package for system with a fat GUI client?

Need something that would simulate user input (keystrokes/mouse clicks),
allow scripting, simulate multiple users and record results so that they can
be analyzed later.

Any info would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
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testing patch set 8.1.7.2.1 today

2001-08-18 Thread Paul Drake

Anita,

As you might have guessed from my poast earlier on the ORACLE-L, I
applied the 8.1.7.2.1 patch set to the 81715 EE server last night (this
morning).
It had no effect - still receieved the same ORA-00600.
I even set compatible=8.1.7.2.0 and bounced - no effect.

I was working from home yesterday and I believe that Scott was working
on the business case email.

I just figured that most analysts would recommend that we first try the
latest patchset.

have a good weekend,

Paul
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Testing posting to Oracle-L list...

2001-08-07 Thread Denmark Weatherburne

Hi DBA's,

I joined previously, but for some reason my membership was not activated.
I've joined again and I'm checking if my membership is registered now.

Regards,

Denmark W.


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RE: Regression Testing at Oracle???

2001-07-26 Thread Orr, Steve

This seems to be standard practice any more... SIGH! But Oracle must be one
of the worst offenders.

I once was looking to implement Oracle Financials as a paying beta
customer (Shouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?). Oracle was the
alpha and Sequent Computer in Oregon was the original beta (Oracle and
Sequent had a pretty tight relationship back then). The Sequent
implementation was on their own servers running Dynix, a Unix derivative.
Our implementation was to be a port to VAX/VMS. What a mess! Bug city and
Oracle still wanted to charge us big bucks for beta software!! Oracle
eventually dropped the VMS port and I believe the first commercial version
of the Oracle Apps did not ship for another 2-3 years. I wonder, how many
companies paid for Oracle's development costs?

Steve Orr


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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:29 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


regression testing?, heck we are the alpha/beta/regression testers :)

joe


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 10:35AM 
This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

 -Original Message-
 From: A. Bardeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:15 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: FYI: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset
 
 
 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
 This alert will be updated to indicate the current
 status of
 this problem. The modification history is shown at
 the END of the
 alert.
 
   Versions Affected 
   ~ 
 This problem affects the installation of the
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set.
 

   Platforms Affected 
   ~~ 
 This problem affects the following platforms only:
   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
 platform:
   Sun Sparc Solaris (Oracle 32 bit release)
 
 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
 platform yet.
   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
 If the 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set is installed on top of
 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
 correctly. No errors
 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
 shows the version to be 8.1.7.1.

 
   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
 8.1.7.2.0 patch set
 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
 on top of 8.1.7.1
 releases until this issue is addressed.

 
   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
 The main visible symptoms of this issue are:
   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
 to be 8.1.7.1
   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
 encountered 
 
 There may be additional symptoms not yet
 discovered as the resulting
 installation contains an untested combination of
 modules.

 
   Workaround 
   ~~
 The only workaround to this problem is to install
 8.1.7.2.0 on top of
 an 8.1.7.0 Oracle installation.
 ie: If the current installation is at release
 8.1.7.1, then you must
 reinstall 8.1.7.0 and then apply the 8.1.7.2
 patch set.
 
 If you have already installed 8.1.7.2 on top of
 8.1.7.1 then it is
 advisable to reinstall the base release (8.1.7.0)
 and then apply
 the patch set on top of this to get a proper
 8.1.7.2 release 
 installed.
 
 
   Patches
   ~~~
 The affected patch sets will be re-released
 shortly with the
 version number 8.1.7.2.1. These updated patch sets
 will install 
 on top of 8.1.7.1, 8.1.7.1B or 8.1.7.0. If
 possible please 
 avoid upgrading until the revised patch sets are
 released.
 
 
   References
   ~~
 Base bug reporting the install problem
 [BUG:1898001]
  
 
   Modification History:
   ~
 26-Jul-2001   Initial alert that 8.1.7.2 does not
 install over 8.1.7.1
  
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  Oracle Support Services
   .
 
 
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OTRE: Regression Testing at Oracle???

2001-07-26 Thread Mohan, Ross

Supports my personal theory (no peer-reviewed work, yet, sorry Eric! :) that
large corporations routinely get away
with lots of things that you and I 
would get killed, sued, beat up, and/or
besmirched for. 

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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


This seems to be standard practice any more... SIGH! But Oracle must be one
of the worst offenders.

I once was looking to implement Oracle Financials as a paying beta
customer (Shouldn't this be a contradiction in terms?). Oracle was the
alpha and Sequent Computer in Oregon was the original beta (Oracle and
Sequent had a pretty tight relationship back then). The Sequent
implementation was on their own servers running Dynix, a Unix derivative.
Our implementation was to be a port to VAX/VMS. What a mess! Bug city and
Oracle still wanted to charge us big bucks for beta software!! Oracle
eventually dropped the VMS port and I believe the first commercial version
of the Oracle Apps did not ship for another 2-3 years. I wonder, how many
companies paid for Oracle's development costs?

Steve Orr


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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


regression testing?, heck we are the alpha/beta/regression testers :)

joe


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 10:35AM 
This makes me wonder: what kind of regression testing is implemented by
oracle?
Trial and error? It makes me wonder, oh it makes me wander (Stairway to
Heaven)

 -Original Message-
 From: A. Bardeen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:15 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: FYI: new alert regarding 8.1.7.2 patchset
 
 
 Note: 153172.1 ALERT: Do NOT Install 8.1.7.2.0 Patch
 Set on top of 8.1.7.1
 
 
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set Does Not Install Correctly Over
 8.1.7.1/8.1.7.1B
  
 
 
 This alert will be updated to indicate the current
 status of
 this problem. The modification history is shown at
 the END of the
 alert.
 
   Versions Affected 
   ~ 
 This problem affects the installation of the
 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set.
 

   Platforms Affected 
   ~~ 
 This problem affects the following platforms only:
   HPUX (Oracle 32 bit release)
   HPUX (Oracle 64 bit release)
   Compaq Tru64
   Intel Solaris
 
 This problem does NOT affect the following
 platform:
   Sun Sparc Solaris (Oracle 32 bit release)
 
 8.1.7.2 has not been released on any other
 platform yet.
   Other platforms will have this problem
 corrected prior
   to their 8.1.7.2 Patch Set being released.
 
 
   Description 
   ~~~ 
 If the 8.1.7.2.0 Patch Set is installed on top of
 either 8.1.7.1 or
 8.1.7.1B then the patch set does not install
 correctly. No errors
 are reported during the installation but the
 Oracle version banner still
 shows the version to be 8.1.7.1.

 
   Likelihood of Occurrence 
    
 You will encounter this problem if you install the
 8.1.7.2.0 patch set
 on top of either 8.1.7.1 or 8.1.7.1B on any of the
 platforms listed above.
 
 You are STRONGLY advised NOT to install 8.1.7.2.0
 on top of 8.1.7.1
 releases until this issue is addressed.

 
   Possible Symptoms 
   ~ 
 The main visible symptoms of this issue are:
   a. The Oracle version banner still shows the
 RDBMS release to be
  8.1.7.1
   b. SELECT * FROM V$VERSION shows the release
 to be 8.1.7.1
   c. Bugs fixed in 8.1.7.2 may still be
 encountered 
 
 There may be additional symptoms not yet
 discovered as the resulting
 installation contains an untested combination of
 modules.

 
   Workaround 
   ~~
 The only workaround to this problem is to install
 8.1.7.2.0 on top of
 an 8.1.7.0 Oracle installation.
 ie: If the current installation is at release
 8.1.7.1, then you must
 reinstall 8.1.7.0 and then apply the 8.1.7.2
 patch set.
 
 If you have already installed 8.1.7.2 on top of
 8.1.7.1 then it is
 advisable to reinstall the base release (8.1.7.0)
 and then apply
 the patch set on top of this to get a proper
 8.1.7.2 release 
 installed.
 
 
   Patches
   ~~~
 The affected patch sets will be re-released
 shortly with the
 version number 8.1.7.2.1. These updated patch sets
 will install 
 on top of 8.1.7.1, 8.1.7.1B or 8.1.7.0. If
 possible please 
 avoid upgrading until the revised patch sets are
 released.
 
 
   References
   ~~
 Base bug reporting the install problem
 [BUG:1898001]
  
 
   Modification History:
   ~
 26-Jul-2001   Initial alert that 8.1.7.2 does not
 install over 8.1.7.1

Testing

2001-06-28 Thread Sinardy Xing

Testing 



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FW: Testing

2001-06-28 Thread Sinardy Xing



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Testing 



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Testing

2001-06-28 Thread Sinardy Xing

Testing
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system requirement for performance testing

2001-06-25 Thread Harvinder Singh

Hi,

We r building a application  and need to specify the requirements of a
hardware for testing of its performance.
our performace metric includes mostly insert statements
10 million insert to 7 tables...then we have to execute some
procedures...then report.
our main concern is insert...we can't use any bulk inserts...all inserts
will be thru application insert
statements.
Here is the brief test information
10 million insert now taking about 26 hrs for 127,000 accounts with this
pace it will take about 40 days only(if everything 
go well) for insert while we need to finish this in less than 20
days...this test is on 1 cpu single hard disk..512Mb ram..this insert is
a single user activity.batch processing..
database size is estimated to be about 400G
not much complex stored proceduresonly worry is insert..
we generally use DELL machines.we need to use NT only..

I will appreciate if u give some suggestion with ur experience...
information i need is :
1) number of hard disks ...how much capacity each
2) how many cpu's..
3) how much RAM..

I need to explain the management for each request so kindly include the
reason for each request.


Thanks
Harvinder
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testing - delete

2001-06-25 Thread Jared Still


see?  just a test
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OCP Testing Software

2001-06-19 Thread kjanusz

I have used SelfTest Software in the past to prepare for 
the OCP tests.  Is there another similar company that is 
as good or better?

Thanks,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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Testing tools

2001-05-30 Thread Raymond Lee Meng Hong


  Hello  if there any testing tools for QA staff / developer to test on bulk
data which can measure it performance,efficient.of the
program/PLSQL/sqlscript  ???

  The function of the tools is , prepare bulk data , testing , generate
report .  

If no such tools , what might be an advice ? Becoz we intend to setup up a
ISO 9001 standard on testing environment and testing technique. Anyone go
through this before ? or any white paper about this ?




Raymond fall asleep in waiting for the Q.

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Testing - Pls ignore

2001-05-24 Thread Sherman, Edward

This is a test.


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Testing, please delete

2001-05-10 Thread G . Plivna


Just testing, not understanding why I was bounced ;)

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testing RMAN == 2 databases in 1 Machine

2001-04-17 Thread Bambang Setiawan

Dear Listers ,

I want to try using RMAN in just 1 machine  with 2 databases ( client and target ) .
I have followed every single step in manual , but there's always error ...

Do we must run RMAN in 2 machines ? 

Thank a lot in advance  : )

=bambang=


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Re: testing RMAN == 2 databases in 1 Machine

2001-04-17 Thread Ruth Gramolini

No, I backup databases on 3 machines using rman. Our recovery catalog
database is on our production machine and I backup my production databases
on that machine.

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Dear Listers ,

I want to try using RMAN in just 1 machine  with 2 databases ( client and
target ) .
I have followed every single step in manual , but there's always error ...

Do we must run RMAN in 2 machines ?

Thank a lot in advance  : )

=bambang=


 Bambang Setiawan 

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