[osdcmy-public] Re: Entrepreneurship For OSS Developers

[red1]

Haris,
Memang kasar kau - the english version is "you pay peanuts, you get 
monkeys!"

I like to commend your post again as spot-on. Benefit of FOSS is 
freedom, not free lunch.

Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
> Making business using OSS is still hard for us, maybe the skills that
> we have and the believe that using OSS should be cheap... (haiya)...
>
> Im against using costs saving as a benefit because it make our OSS
> industry suffers. Its may good to present to politicians but its has
> negative impacts.
>
> We can see this from our friends doing freelance and companies that
> moving aways from supporting OSS as business models. They suffers
> because the amount paid could not cover the increase costs during
> services.
>
> I always said. The amount that we save from licensing should be invest
> back to OSS industry by paying services that will benefits to all.
>
> RM1000 that we save, we can used that to hire OSS consultants to give
> services like network consultancy, training and configuration.
>
> This will increase our human capitals skills set and knowledge.
>
> They want quality services but tapi mahu bayar ciput. (want to pay
> small amounts)
>
> Mungkin ayat ini kasar. Tapi peribahasa saya  "Dibayar taik dapat taik".
>
>   
 

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[slaughters slash]

kat tempat kitorang, alumni pakai gmail. student tak pasti la pulak status
dah migrate ke belum.. untuk staff saya pasti tak akan gune gmail. dan saya
rasa mungkin tidak lama student akan pakai gmail ni.. dan akan balik pada
asal.. sebab diorang nak pakai gmail ialah kerana dapat space yang besar...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:

> yup more or less, one of our customer (univ/ipta) just moved all of their
> student accounts to gmail few months ago. Staff/the rest still using it, not
> sure for how long...
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
>>  Is this similar to what google is offering for say USD 50 per user?
>> complete with gmail with corporate domain, docs sharing, calendaring, synch
>> etc etc etc...
>> Maybe the diff is google has super infrastructure and zero deployment cost
>> and maintenance..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Adzmely Mansor wrote:
>>
>> there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
>> customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users info,
>> atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd file di
>> divert kan dalam db.
>>
>> webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially
>> developed for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed. Daripada
>> situ one module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms etc) developed.
>>
>> Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just
>> for demo purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.
>>
>> if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us *wink*
>> :P.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
>> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
>> We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
>> configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
>> people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
>> > the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
>> > base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
>> > codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was
>> about
>> > 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
>> > reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
>> > already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
>> > running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix,
>> with
>> > mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam
>> solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Entrepreneurship For OSS Developers

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Making business using OSS is still hard for us, maybe the skills that
we have and the believe that using OSS should be cheap... (haiya)...

Im against using costs saving as a benefit because it make our OSS
industry suffers. Its may good to present to politicians but its has
negative impacts.

We can see this from our friends doing freelance and companies that
moving aways from supporting OSS as business models. They suffers
because the amount paid could not cover the increase costs during
services.

I always said. The amount that we save from licensing should be invest
back to OSS industry by paying services that will benefits to all.

RM1000 that we save, we can used that to hire OSS consultants to give
services like network consultancy, training and configuration.

This will increase our human capitals skills set and knowledge.

They want quality services but tapi mahu bayar ciput. (want to pay
small amounts)

Mungkin ayat ini kasar. Tapi peribahasa saya  "Dibayar taik dapat taik".

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:40 AM, red1  wrote:
>
> Yes haris, i agree, attended his last talk at MSCOSCONF here last time
> and even talked to him after his talk and gave him my webeconomy pdf
> about around the same subject of institionalising FOSS.
>
> My contention to the crowd here is still that we are too kiasu when it
> comes to selling FOSS. For example i spoke to an MSC company (name
> withheld) exhibitor at the MyGOSSCON on how he intends to sell his
> services and he said, "give free to some US vendors, they give him back
> at least 10 pax trainings".
>
> No one thinks of selling against the giant SAP, cos precisely SAP is not
> software but 90% services, unlike Microsoft which is quite canned DVDs.
>
> red1
>
> Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>> I post this so I can be poke by all of you to remind me, next year to
>> bring Tim for our conference. I believe this is good for our
>> developers and freelance to learn and be guide about entrepreneurship.
>>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Entrepreneurship For OSS Developers

[red1]

Yes haris, i agree, attended his last talk at MSCOSCONF here last time 
and even talked to him after his talk and gave him my webeconomy pdf 
about around the same subject of institionalising FOSS.

My contention to the crowd here is still that we are too kiasu when it 
comes to selling FOSS. For example i spoke to an MSC company (name 
withheld) exhibitor at the MyGOSSCON on how he intends to sell his 
services and he said, "give free to some US vendors, they give him back 
at least 10 pax trainings".

No one thinks of selling against the giant SAP, cos precisely SAP is not 
software but 90% services, unlike Microsoft which is quite canned DVDs.

red1

Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
> I post this so I can be poke by all of you to remind me, next year to
> bring Tim for our conference. I believe this is good for our
> developers and freelance to learn and be guide about entrepreneurship.
>
> I will propose a workshop during conference that we can invite
> entrepreneurs to meet developers and discuss collaboration.
>   
 

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[osdcmy-public] Entrepreneurship For OSS Developers

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

I post this so I can be poke by all of you to remind me, next year to
bring Tim for our conference. I believe this is good for our
developers and freelance to learn and be guide about entrepreneurship.

I will propose a workshop during conference that we can invite
entrepreneurs to meet developers and discuss collaboration.

-

http://latinoware.org/node/207

Managers working in the social network with a free software platform

Timothy Ney, the Linux Greenhouse, virtual incubator of companies and
projects in open source, will share the results of studies of the
Linux Greenhouse in 2009, led by a team of Harvard Business School, to
promote the incubation and growth of resources for Free Software
projects . Some entrepreneurs interviewed for the research came from
Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay, with many of the participants of the
workshop 'Linux Greenhouse' in Latinoware 2008.

Most respondents described the technical competence as one of its
great strengths. Its weaknesses were the lack of ability in business
and sustainability. When they had confidence in their abilities to
build applications, and more importantly, open source, they did not
know how to get funding, what business models will be employed to
offer customers, develop sales strategies, or how to create scalable
solutions.

To address these needs, the Linux Greenhouse is creating a social
network for entrepreneurs and professionals, is recruiting companies,
cooperatives and public sector to integrate them into the network.

Timothy Ney lead workshops entrepreneurship with the use of open
source software, as well as talk during Latinoware 2009.

Linux Greenhouse workshop

The workshop is targeted to social entrepreneurs and public projects
in the middle stages of development.

Companies and projects interested in participating should during the
workshop, make a presentation from 5 to 10 minutes. After each
presentation, other participants will give a peer-to-peer feedback on
the strengths and obstacles of the projects outlined.

To participate in the workshop Linux Greenhouse, during the
Latinoware, go to Lab 2 Block 9, and talk to the mentors.

The Linux Greenhouse will direct participants in helping:

* creation of new products or services;
* expansion of current products or services;
* insight on how to join a new market;
* new procedures in the management and organization of work.

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

i have a pdf  copy, but need moh clearance first to distribute it..

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

>
> any way we could get the case studies? would be interesting to read and
> learn.
>
> //rafe
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran 
> wrote:
> >
> > Adzmely Mansor wrote:
> >> Haris indeed, and actually i m still in contact we most of them,
> >> anthea, hanks, bjt, sifu(maznan), khai, sebol, azlanar, bazet
> >>
> >> kedai (bakhtiar) not sure if he is still with nstp.
> >>
> >> cBisu - totally lost contact with him.
> >>
> >> ef1 - utm?
> >>
> >> reimy,  etc..
> >>
> >> kena organize one big reunion, maybe time to push all of them/us back
> >> to the community...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
> >> mailto:linuxmalay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Meet him.. We should reunion balik... Those old days. :)
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Adzmely Mansor  >> > wrote:
> >> > just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from
> >> XDM), if anyone
> >> > from my-linux.org/Rindu.net  era
> >> circa 1995-1999 he is also known as Anthea.
> >> > BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .
> >> >
> >> > hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> > Yeah friend it time to call them back to reunion the big community. It a
> > right time perhaps one day we will have one big community to support
> > each others... that old time was only left in my memories and will
> > remembered as my best time ever and forever. Hope we will see them again.
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[rafe azsnal]

any way we could get the case studies? would be interesting to read and learn.

//rafe

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mohd Fazli Azran  wrote:
>
> Adzmely Mansor wrote:
>> Haris indeed, and actually i m still in contact we most of them,
>> anthea, hanks, bjt, sifu(maznan), khai, sebol, azlanar, bazet
>>
>> kedai (bakhtiar) not sure if he is still with nstp.
>>
>> cBisu - totally lost contact with him.
>>
>> ef1 - utm?
>>
>> reimy,  etc..
>>
>> kena organize one big reunion, maybe time to push all of them/us back
>> to the community...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>> mailto:linuxmalay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Meet him.. We should reunion balik... Those old days. :)
>>
>>     On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Adzmely Mansor >     > wrote:
>>     > just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from
>>     XDM), if anyone
>>     > from my-linux.org/Rindu.net  era
>>     circa 1995-1999 he is also known as Anthea.
>>     > BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .
>>     >
>>     > hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head
>>     >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
> Yeah friend it time to call them back to reunion the big community. It a
> right time perhaps one day we will have one big community to support
> each others... that old time was only left in my memories and will
> remembered as my best time ever and forever. Hope we will see them again.
>
> >
>

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Mohd Fazli Azran]

Adzmely Mansor wrote:
> Haris indeed, and actually i m still in contact we most of them, 
> anthea, hanks, bjt, sifu(maznan), khai, sebol, azlanar, bazet
>
> kedai (bakhtiar) not sure if he is still with nstp.
>
> cBisu - totally lost contact with him.
>
> ef1 - utm?
>
> reimy,  etc..
>
> kena organize one big reunion, maybe time to push all of them/us back 
> to the community...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
> mailto:linuxmalay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Meet him.. We should reunion balik... Those old days. :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Adzmely Mansor  > wrote:
> > just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from
> XDM), if anyone
> > from my-linux.org/Rindu.net  era
> circa 1995-1999 he is also known as Anthea.
> > BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .
> >
> > hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
Yeah friend it time to call them back to reunion the big community. It a 
right time perhaps one day we will have one big community to support 
each others... that old time was only left in my memories and will 
remembered as my best time ever and forever. Hope we will see them again.

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

Haris indeed, and actually i m still in contact we most of them, anthea,
hanks, bjt, sifu(maznan), khai, sebol, azlanar, bazet

kedai (bakhtiar) not sure if he is still with nstp.

cBisu - totally lost contact with him.

ef1 - utm?

reimy,  etc..

kena organize one big reunion, maybe time to push all of them/us back to the
community...



On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

>
> Meet him.. We should reunion balik... Those old days. :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> > just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from XDM), if
> anyone
> > from my-linux.org/Rindu.net era circa 1995-1999 he is also known as
> Anthea.
> > BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .
> >
> > hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head
> >
>
> >
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution

[Hasanuddin Abu Bakar]

Thanks Marcus. it's a good idea. I want to deal with audio/video live
and on demand solutions.




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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> Hi Hasanuddin,
>
> You can deploy your solution on VMware on Windows Server if its linux based.
> If they ask why, you say "This is virtualization in action, fully
> supported by Windows Server"
> If its PHP based app, just load in the WAMP package on Windows, works the
> same.
>
>
> Marcus.
>
>
> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote:
>
> I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for
> various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting
> company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few
> words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I
> don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of
> hardware's drivers and sotfwares. So how do you think? any suggestion
> to deal with him?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
>
> Welcome to the other real world.
> You have to face it, for most normal  IT admins today, they have so much
> to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to
> support
> and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its
> bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in
> Autoupdate.
> Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or
> personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they
> don't really care
> if its  open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart
> or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask
> for support
> if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and
> each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose.
>
> What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line.
> Read :
> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html
> Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in
> near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when
> ur on the other side
>
>  From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar
> corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix
> based systems,
> replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and
> that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies
> in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was
> cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the
> "proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is
> a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even
> if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high
> cost).
>
> - cheers
>
>
> Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>
>
> Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu
> tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows
> server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one
> thing.
>
> Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to
> support issses.
>
> We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them.
>
> They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a
> single point of contact.
>
> Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory
> listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get
> more information about Open Source where and who they can get help...
>
> RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We
> talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our
> ignorance or let say it. Our egos...
>
> We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them...
>
> We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone
> calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep
> customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually
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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

yup more or less, one of our customer (univ/ipta) just moved all of their
student accounts to gmail few months ago. Staff/the rest still using it, not
sure for how long...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Marcus  wrote:

>  Is this similar to what google is offering for say USD 50 per user?
> complete with gmail with corporate domain, docs sharing, calendaring, synch
> etc etc etc...
> Maybe the diff is google has super infrastructure and zero deployment cost
> and maintenance..
>
>
>
>
>
> Adzmely Mansor wrote:
>
> there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
> customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users info,
> atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd file di
> divert kan dalam db.
>
> webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially
> developed for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed. Daripada
> situ one module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms etc) developed.
>
> Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just
> for demo purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.
>
> if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us *wink*
> :P.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
> We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
> configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
> people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> > the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
> > base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
> > codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was about
> > 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
> > reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
> > already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
> > running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix,
> with
> > mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam solution.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Meet him.. We should reunion balik... Those old days. :)

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from XDM), if anyone
> from my-linux.org/Rindu.net era circa 1995-1999 he is also known as Anthea.
> BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .
>
> hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head
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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Marcus]

Is this similar to what google is offering for say USD 50 per user?
complete with gmail with corporate domain, docs sharing, calendaring,
synch etc etc etc...
Maybe the diff is google has super infrastructure and zero deployment
cost and maintenance..




Adzmely Mansor wrote:

  
there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users
info, atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd
file di divert kan dalam db.
  
webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially
developed for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed.
Daripada situ one module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms
etc) developed.
  
Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just for demo
purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.
  
if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us
*wink* :P.
  
  On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel 
wrote:
  
Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor 
wrote:
> the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it).
terengganu
> base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
> codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it
was about
> 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those
high
> reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat
etc.
> already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration
path
> running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and
postfix, with
> mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam
solution.
>
>
>






  
  
  
  
  
  



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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

just noticed, one of the Speaker - Abdul Rahman Johari (from XDM), if anyone
from my-linux.org/Rindu.net era circa 1995-1999 he is also known as Anthea.
BJT - Abu Bakar Al-Idrus is his lead programmer/CTO .

hmmm the old days ... just poping into my head

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:

> there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
> customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users info,
> atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd file di
> divert kan dalam db.
>
> webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially
> developed for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed. Daripada
> situ one module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms etc) developed.
>
> Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just
> for demo purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.
>
> if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us *wink*
> :P.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
>> We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
>> configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
>> people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
>> > the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
>> > base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
>> > codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was
>> about
>> > 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
>> > reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
>> > already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
>> > running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix,
>> with
>> > mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam
>> solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Ohhh baru faham.. OK tahniah bro...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
> customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users info,
> atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd file di
> divert kan dalam db.
>
> webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially developed
> for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed. Daripada situ one
> module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms etc) developed.
>
> Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just for
> demo purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.
>
> if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us *wink*
> :P.
>

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[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution

[Marcus]

Hi Hasanuddin,

You can deploy your solution on VMware on Windows Server if its linux
based. If they ask why, you say "This is virtualization in action, fully
supported by Windows Server"
If its PHP based app, just load in the WAMP package on Windows, works
the same. 


Marcus.


Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote:

  I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for
various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting
company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few
words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I
don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of
hardware's drivers and sotfwares. So how do you think? any suggestion
to deal with him?






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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus  wrote:
  
  
Welcome to the other real world.
You have to face it, for most normal  IT admins today, they have so much
to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to
support
and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its
bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in
Autoupdate.
Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or
personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they
don't really care
if its  open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart
or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask
for support
if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and
each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose.

What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line.
Read :
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html
Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in
near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when
ur on the other side

 From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar
corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix
based systems,
replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and
that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies
in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was
cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the
"proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is
a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even
if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high
cost).

- cheers


Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:


  Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu
tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows
server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one
thing.

Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to
support issses.

We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them.

They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a
single point of contact.

Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory
listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get
more information about Open Source where and who they can get help...

RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We
talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our
ignorance or let say it. Our egos...

We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them...

We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone
calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep
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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

there is no secret dalam configuration dia..., cuma bab qmail tuh ada
customize sikit kat C code untuk mysql nyer connector. Semua users info,
atau dalam kata lain apa yang sepatutnya ada dalam /etc/passwd file di
divert kan dalam db.

webCube or moh called it m...@cube adalah custom product. Initially developed
for UUM in year 2000/2001 when their mail system crashed. Daripada situ one
module after another (calendar, shoutbox, fms, wms etc) developed.

Kalau nak try out boleh free registration di http://www.losong.com just for
demo purpose, u get 10M of mail and 10M of file storage.

if u ask from MOH for the setup/configuration they will ask from us *wink*
:P.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

>
> Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
> We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
> configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
> people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> > the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
> > base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
> > codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was about
> > 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
> > reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
> > already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
> > running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix,
> with
> > mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam solution.
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
>

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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Impressive. We may need to talk with MOH to share the configuration.
We can filter out the servers detail. The documentation of the
configuration will help to show how it works and sharing will expand
people that know about this type and configuration and OSS support. :)

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Adzmely Mansor  wrote:
> the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
> base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
> codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was about
> 44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
> reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
> already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
> running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix, with
> mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam solution.
>
>
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Re: Ralat : Re: [osdcmy-public] Re: mygosscon : kementerian kesihatan (bukan kewangan) jimat rm10 juta menggunakan open source software

[Adzmely Mansor]

the product called Mitechsoft WebCube (try to google for it). terengganu
base company, msc status, 100% bumi,
codes written in php/mysql . last time when i do ls | wc -l  it was about
44k users. setup using linux ultra-monkey project, with all those high
reliability/availbility things, LVS/load balancer with heartbeat etc.
already almost 4 years of usage. initially was for their migration path
running away from ms exchange. mail combination of qmail and postfix, with
mx running on postfix with dspam and clamav for anti viral/spam solution.




On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> ralat... kesilapan pada tajuk, sepatutnya kementerian kesihatan
>
> mohon maaf, kepala masih bengong dgn ubat flu
>
> moh juga merupakan pemenang best oss case study award. hopefully mampu oscc
> akan publish the case study untuk makluman umum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM,  wrote:
>
>> MOH ? CUBE ? bagus2.
>>
>>
>> Quoting Marcus  on Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:56:50 +0800:
>>
>> >
>> > Can post the details here? how is it 10 million is saved vs if so and so
>> > 10 million extra would've been spent
>> >
>> > Marcus.
>> >
>> > se7en wrote:
>> >> mgkin pasni lebih byk jab kerajaan akan gune open source..cume kne ade
>> >> push la dari atasan..
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>> >> mailto:rajaiskand...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> baru aje habis presentation dari speaker mewakili kementerian
>> >> kesihatan. yang menyatakan bagaimana mereka telah jimat rm10 juta
>> >> dengan menggunakan open source software
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Never Underestimated People Stupidity
>> >> http://www.se7enet.co.cc
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>> 
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[osdcmy-public] Re: Support In Open Source Solution

[Hasanuddin Abu Bakar]

I am completely agree with Marcus, they rather run Win Server for
various reasons. I just deal a project from a Malaysian broadcasting
company for a few solutions. The deal came smoothly but I got a few
words from the sysadmin, "You must do them on Windows Server because I
don't know Linux"... I rather choose Linux for the base because of
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Marcus  wrote:
> Welcome to the other real world.
> You have to face it, for most normal  IT admins today, they have so much
> to do, they rather run Win Server of which any SI companies are able to
> support
> and of which the features are rock solid. When something screws up, its
> bound to be in the knowledge base of MSDN and fixes are already in
> Autoupdate.
> Digging forums is a complete waste of time unless its your hobby or
> personal interest in the project, at the end if someone has to pay, they
> don't really care
> if its  open source or not, after all, how many are programmers at heart
> or have time to even look at the source codes. In Windows, when you ask
> for support
> if this guy can't do it, there are thousands lining up to serve you and
> each with a low price, as an end user or Admin you get the power to choose.
>
> What is FREE initially, might not be cheaper in bottom line.
> Read :
> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1332528,00.html
> Read the attached pdf of a study of Windows Server vs RedHat cost in
> near years running, *yeah its sounds bias, but then it always does when
> ur on the other side
>
>  From what i've seen, Linux manages to cannabalize its own similar
> corporate adoption , eg, replacing AIXs, Unix or other expensive Unix
> based systems,
> replacing Windows Server is hardly true, maybe in hosting companies and
> that is just due to costing. I have talked to several hosting companies
> in Malaysia, if SmarterMail was
> cheaper, they won't even use linux even though its free, the
> "proprietary" Smartermail outdone the linux qmail/postfix and support is
> a breeze. (no, they don't favor Exchange even
> if its becomes cheaper, qualification to manage Exchange server = high
> cost).
>
> - cheers
>
>
> Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:
>> Rasa sedih pula bila rakan dalam sebuah agensi beritahu dia perlu
>> tukarkan Linux Centos yang saya pasang lama dahulu kepada Windows
>> server. I will not against it because we have to acknowledge one
>> thing.
>>
>> Im keep on hearing to people move to another software or os due to
>> support issses.
>>
>> We dont have I single point of contact that can be a help to them.
>>
>> They don't care it Redhat, Novell or Canonical what they want is a
>> single point of contact.
>>
>> Yes. We have e-marketplace OSCC MAMPU. But it still just a directory
>> listing. What we need a toll number that people can talk to and get
>> more information about Open Source where and who they can get help...
>>
>> RTFM is not working. Don't ask me to ask them to read the RTFM. We
>> talking about losing market share after years of promotion due to our
>> ignorance or let say it. Our egos...
>>
>> We keep on asking OSS users to read RTFM but its not real help to them...
>>
>> We need one centre or one community that willing to answer phone
>> calls, email or visit sites, like any bussiness will do to keep
>> customers still interest. We need marketing and sales team virtually
>> in our OSS community.
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> >
>

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