Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

[Ghodmode]

I love Gmail, too.  I would even say that I need it.  My
ghodmode.comaddresses are hosted by Gmail for Google Apps.

Does Gmail count as "Open Core" since Google uses FOSS, but the code for
Gmail isn't free?

related:
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/06/open-core-is-bad-for-you/index.htm

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> i like Google!
>
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>> Couldn't agree more with u guys.
>> Myself, although don't like the fact that Google is trying for "World
>> Domination"
>> But hey, stuffs from them is really cool!!!
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[Ghodmode]

Somehow, this got lost the first time I sent it.  This is my second
attempt...

 On 13/03/2011 8:43 p.m., zarul shahrin wrote:

Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be
reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users
don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want
something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia).


The FreeDOS machines usually are a lower price, but not much lower when
compared to a machine with similar specs and licensed Windows.

Even when it is lower, the savings are nowhere near 1K.  The licensed
Windows 7 Home Basic only costs RM350 if you buy it separately.

I bought a new computer this weekend.  It came with licensed Windows, but I
chose it based on specifications and price.  I couldn't get a FreeDOS
machine with the same specs for a lower price.



 If you think people will install Ubuntu instead of Windows just because it
gives them a "legal" OS, then you are wrong. Unless Ubuntu will let them
play the latest Call of Duty, Crysis or whatever game there is and let them
easily have the same setup for Word processing as in their office (for those
non-gamers), otherwise no.


You're right.  People don't care about those laws.  I would even go a little
further and say that some of those laws are unjust and immoral.  Modern
distributions have more than just free licensing, though, and Linux
*is*better than Windows.  I think we've had that discussion many times
already.
That's why we're in this group :)

Microsoft has also damaged their customer base.  Their negligence in
handling malicious software threats, and stories about systems becoming
unusable or shutting down every two hours after an update all work against
them.

I'm not much of a gamer, but I think that a lot of those games can be played
in Linux using Wine.  I can play World of Warcraft using Wine without any
special setup and I know someone else in our KK-LUG who has played Starcraft
with Wine.  There are also some companies starting to develop software that
runs natively in Linux.

All of those concerns, plus some others, are repeated when considering
proprietary office software, but OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice is really
high-quality software.

We're not starting from scratch here.  Average people (ie: not nerds like
us) have even heard a few of the horror stories about "pirated" software and
the success stories about Open Source Software.  It's in the mainstream
media already.  This is a good time and place to give consumers the option.

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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> A few of our community events, we did try to have a install fest, the thing
> is none worked the way we want. Probably we did it the wrong way(?) or we
> talking to the wrong audience(?). Really I don't know.
>
>  Maybe because it is easy for them to get illegal copy of windows, or in
> university MSDN give them the latest anyway. Again really I don't know the
> real reason. But this is base on feel and observation.
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>
>> I went to the PIKOM PC fair this weekend and I saw a whole bunch of
>> computers with FreeDOS installed.  The people selling them didn't hesitate
>> to offer "unlicensed" windows, though.
>>
>> It seems like this would be a very good opportunity for people in our
>> community.  We could treat it like a Linux installfest... give out Ubuntu
>> (or any distro) discs and offer to do the installation for free.  Then we
>> give out our our business card and offer to do support for low rates paid
>> into the local economy.
>>
>> This way, people have a more information and more choices... unusable
>> FreeDOS, illegal windows (maybe RM50), or fully updated and licensed Ubuntu
>> with all the features.
>>
>> It inspired a blog entry...
>>
>> "What the heck is FreeDOS?" : http://bit.ly/g44haf
>>
>> If you like it, post a comment on the blog... it makes me feel good :)
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: [osdcmy-public] IT Lab proposal

[aziman noor]

UPDATE:

Sekarang ni bajet utk 'thin-client' mmg telah di'allocate' dalam projek khas
kementerian pelajaran. Cuma kali ni MOE kena cari projek2 yg betul2 boleh
naikkan kembali prestasi mereka berbanding projek PPSMI terbaru (ditangguh),
projek Makmal Sekolah yang gagal. Melalui diskusi, dari segi pelaksanaan
mereka tiada masalah, tetapi rata-rata projek kerajaan termasuk MOE,
maintenance after sales tu yang gagal.
Kali ini mereka betul2 mahukan pemain ICT besar seperti Microsoft, Intel dan
SuSE/RH bersama dibelakang vendor. HP dan Intel masuk dengan thin-client Ms
Windows, aku masuk guna Sumber Terbuka, mereka tidak tengok pada 'figure',
tapi mereka tengok pada 'khidmat selepas jualan', jika aku tak bawak RH atau
SuSE yang boleh memberi surat jaminan sokongan teknikal sepenuhnya, mmg kali
ni IT Lab akan diwarnai M$ juga.

Banyak yang aku nak kongsikan, tetapi aku dah ringkaskan. Ada yang PnC pun
aku tak boleh cerita disini.

Thanks.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aziman,
>
> How your proposal? Any positive feedback from them...
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:32 AM, aziman noor  wrote:
> > Thanks Eric.
> > We tried 10 PC on mockup-lab with LTSP 4.0, in 60 seconds all 10 PC's
> > boot to OpenSuSE GUI with no error. But 1 PC replaced with NIC card
> > instead of built-in, because not stable.
> >
> > Then form the workstation, the PC can access cloud-os via http, like
> > open spreadsheet and word processor, plus LMS.
> >
> > Need to focus more on SaaS on cloud.
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[red1]

IMHO if we are debating on govt policies, be they written or unwritten,
it is still ok, because we are not creating falsehood nor lies, based
on unfounded facts nor conjecture that implicate individuals who are
merely govt servants following such policies.

Now for govt servants, what about that? Once i met a senior govt
official (name and org withheld to protect from GO, OSA, ISA, and other
susahAs) who provided me inside info and urged me to raise an issue
(sorry Rafe but i guess you are popular) MDec which he failed within
his own division. I was curious, but he reiterated that as an NGO or
NGI (indiividual rakyat) we have every right to raise concern, but they
as govt servants cannot do so. And he cautioned that we have to raise
it 'officially' meaning thru proper channels such as this OSDCY.my and
not thru surat layang, hate mail or anonymous blogs.

Still, we have to be fair, as even MDec falls under govt policy and
they have an agenda like any other to priotise towards a big national
level which has lots of outside forces at play. For us, we have to
continue articulating as a pressure group. And of course allow govt
agencies to play their roles as defined by the political masters that
the democracy has voted them into power.

But if we do not highlight issues, then the ruling govt can blame us
for keeping silent and thus not withing their grasp to formulate the
policies that we want.

That is why i support OSDC.my as a whole but that does not mean i do
not speak out what i feel to be of priority. I try to speak using nice
words, but sometimes my keyboard get stuck at the F key. :)

On 3/16/11 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
so long as we can point a link to the source of the
information on a formal channel (eg a govt website) then we should be
ok.
  
if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link
to the official source.
  
with regards to unflattering comments about the government or
organisation or persons or project this mailing list is publicly
searchable through google.
  
  
  

  
  Majlis
Berbuka Puasa mdec Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak
Yatim ...
   - [ Translate this page ]
  18 Sep 2009 ... Majlis Berbuka Puasa mdec
Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak ...
  www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/
- Cached
  


  
  Flickr:
linuxmalaysia's Photostream
  
  
  9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
Majlis Berbuka Puasa MDeC Dan OSDC.my Bersama
Anak-anak Yatim 160909 by ...
  www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/
- Cached
  
  
  Show more results from flickr.com
  
  
  Get more
discussion results


  
  Java is big! What is mdec doing about it? - OSDC.my
Mailing List ...
  
  28 Feb 2011 ... It is time we reveal our
strength and not even consider mdec's existence. For what may
i ask? They aint gona give ua free lunch anyway ...
  groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk...
- Cached
  


  
  OSDC.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source
Developers
  
  22 Sep 2009 ... MDeC's
Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with OSDC.my's Vice President The aim
of OSDC.my is to unite local open source developers and their
  ...
  www.scribd.com/.../OSDC-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers
- Cached
  


  
  OSDC.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source
developers
  
  22 Sep 2009 ... The formation of the OSDC.my
initiative is also part of the MDeC's plan to move in the
direction of Malaysia's 10th Economic Plan in the ...
  commtechasia.net/.../648-osdcmy-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html
- Cached
  

  
  
  
for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses
  
  
  
  
  On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki
Bin Mochlis Moktar  wrote:
  Morning
everyone,

I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Boh Yap]

why this paranoia?

Surely anything available thru the normal media channels cannot be
considered a secret? Part of the being 'open' is the sharing of
information, no?
 And why should content related to 'open' tenders by secrets? As a
thought experiment, suppose prices & specs for such tenders are also
made 'open', then the bidding process would be much more competitive
resulting in a better deal for the tenderer. Of course the decision
making  process should also be transparent! That'll be the day...

Having said that, any 'secrets' regarding the OpenHIS tender/project,
and is our community mobilising to do something about this? Or is all
this a secret?


On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> I don't think that is a secret though, the only one closest is the tender
> which from what I is a open tend as in OPEN.
> I personally don't see that is a issue
> I could be wrong, and yes I'm not a lawyer
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> I think it is not a very secret, unless it is confidential (macam sama
>> saja). He he
>> But, I think, to make anything in the government to be transparent, we
>> have to be transparent to discuss, because at the end of the day, everything
>> the government decide to do, is equivalent with what rakyat needs.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> 
>> From: sweemeng ng 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:40:49 +0800
>> To: osdcmy-list
>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret
>> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a
>>> formal channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.
>>>
>>> if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
>>> the official source.
>>>
>>> with regards to unflattering comments about the government or
>>> organisation or persons or project this mailing list is publicly
>>> searchable through google.
>>>
>>>
>>> Majlis Berbuka Puasa mdec Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim ...
>>>
>>>  - [ Translate this page ]
>>> 18 Sep 2009 ... Majlis Berbuka Puasa mdec Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak
>>> ...
>>> www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ - Cached
>>>
>>> Flickr: linuxmalaysia's Photostream
>>>
>>> 9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
>>> Majlis Berbuka Puasa MDeC Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim 160909 by
>>> ...
>>> www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ - Cached
>>> Show more results from flickr.com
>>>
>>> Get more discussion results
>>>
>>> Java is big! What is mdec doing about it? - OSDC.my Mailing List ...
>>>
>>> 28 Feb 2011 ... It is time we reveal our strength and not even consider
>>> mdec's existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give ua free lunch
>>> anyway ...
>>> groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... - Cached
>>>
>>> OSDC.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source Developers
>>>
>>> 22 Sep 2009 ... MDeC's Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with OSDC.my's Vice
>>> President The aim of OSDC.my is to unite local open source developers and
>>> their ...
>>>
>>> www.scribd.com/.../OSDC-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers -
>>> Cached
>>>
>>> OSDC.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source developers
>>>
>>> 22 Sep 2009 ... The formation of the OSDC.my initiative is also part of
>>> the MDeC's plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th Economic Plan in
>>> the ...
>>>
>>> commtechasia.net/.../648-osdcmy-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html
>>> - Cached
>>>
>>> for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar
>>>  wrote:

 Morning everyone,

 I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
 discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?

 Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[sweemeng ng]

I don't think that is a secret though, the only one closest is the tender
which from what I is a open tend as in OPEN.
I personally don't see that is a issue

I could be wrong, and yes I'm not a lawyer

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:

> I think it is not a very secret, unless it is confidential (macam sama
> saja). He he
> But, I think, to make anything in the government to be transparent, we have
> to be transparent to discuss, because at the end of the day, everything the
> government decide to do, is equivalent with what rakyat needs.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> --
> *From: * sweemeng ng 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:40:49 +0800
> *To: *osdcmy-list
> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret
>
> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a
>> formal channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.
>>
>> if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
>> the official source.
>>
>> with regards to unflattering comments about the government or organisation
>> or persons or project this mailing list is publicly searchable through
>> google.
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim *
>>...*   - [ 
>> Translate
>>this 
>> page]
>>18 Sep 2009 *...* Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama
>>Anak-anak *...*
>>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ - 
>> Cached
>>2. Flickr: linuxmalaysia's 
>> Photostream
>>9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
>>Majlis Berbuka Puasa *MDeC* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim
>>160909 by *...*
>>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ - 
>> Cached
>>Show more results from 
>> flickr.com
>>Get more discussion 
>> results
>>3. Java is big! What is *mdec* doing about it? - *OSDC*.my Mailing
>>List 
>> *...*
>>28 Feb 2011 *...* It is time we reveal our strength and not even
>>consider *mdec's* existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give
>>ua free lunch anyway *...*
>>groups.google.com/group/*osdc*my-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... -
>>
>> Cached
>>4. *OSDC*.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source 
>> Developers
>>22 Sep 2009 *...* *MDeC's* Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with *OSDC*.my's
>>Vice President The aim of *OSDC*.my is to unite local open source
>>developers and their *...*
>>www.scribd.com/.../*OSDC*
>>-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers - 
>> Cached
>>5. *OSDC*.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source 
>> developers
>>22 Sep 2009 *...* The formation of the *OSDC*.my initiative is also
>>part of the *MDeC's* plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th
>>Economic Plan in the *...*
>>commtechasia.net/.../648-*osdc*
>>my-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html - 
>> Cached

Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[tajul]

I think it is not a very secret, unless it is confidential (macam sama saja). 
He he
But, I think, to make anything in the government to be transparent, we have to 
be transparent to discuss, because at the end of the day, everything the 
government decide to do, is equivalent with what rakyat needs.
 
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: sweemeng ng 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:40:49 
To: osdcmy-list
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

Are we discussing any sensitive information here?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a formal
> channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.
>
> if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
> the official source.
>
> with regards to unflattering comments about the government or organisation
> or persons or project this mailing list is publicly searchable through
> google.
>
>
>
>1. Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim *
>...*   - [ 
> Translate
>this 
> page]
>18 Sep 2009 *...* Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama
>Anak-anak *...*
>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ - 
> Cached
>2. Flickr: linuxmalaysia's 
> Photostream
>9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
>Majlis Berbuka Puasa *MDeC* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim
>160909 by *...*
>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ - 
> Cached
>Show more results from 
> flickr.com
>Get more discussion 
> results
>3. Java is big! What is *mdec* doing about it? - *OSDC*.my Mailing List
>
> *...*
>28 Feb 2011 *...* It is time we reveal our strength and not even
>consider *mdec's* existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give ua
>free lunch anyway *...*
>groups.google.com/group/*osdc*my-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... -
>
> Cached
>4. *OSDC*.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source 
> Developers
>22 Sep 2009 *...* *MDeC's* Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with *OSDC*.my's
>Vice President The aim of *OSDC*.my is to unite local open source
>developers and their *...*
>www.scribd.com/.../*OSDC*
>-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers - 
> Cached
>5. *OSDC*.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source 
> developers
>22 Sep 2009 *...* The formation of the *OSDC*.my initiative is also
>part of the *MDeC's* plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th
>Economic Plan in the *...*
>commtechasia.net/.../648-*osdc*
>my-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html - 
> Cached
>
>
>
> for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
> u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:
>
>> Morning everyone,
>>
>> I found that there are a lot of information rel

Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

i hope there's no such thing that is considered a secret because it could
lead to a life sentence, so i had been told and AFAIK, only if you're a
government's employee and if a vendor, you had signed the form that says you
would not leak said informations.

2011/3/16 sweemeng ng 

> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a
>> formal channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.
>>
>> if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
>> the official source.
>>
>> with regards to unflattering comments about the government or organisation
>> or persons or project this mailing list is publicly searchable through
>> google.
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim *
>>...*   - [ 
>> Translate
>>this 
>> page]
>>18 Sep 2009 *...* Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama
>>Anak-anak *...*
>>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ - 
>> Cached
>>2. Flickr: linuxmalaysia's 
>> Photostream
>>9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
>>Majlis Berbuka Puasa *MDeC* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim
>>160909 by *...*
>>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ - 
>> Cached
>>Show more results from 
>> flickr.com
>>Get more discussion 
>> results
>>3. Java is big! What is *mdec* doing about it? - *OSDC*.my Mailing
>>List 
>> *...*
>>28 Feb 2011 *...* It is time we reveal our strength and not even
>>consider *mdec's* existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give
>>ua free lunch anyway *...*
>>groups.google.com/group/*osdc*my-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... -
>>
>> Cached
>>4. *OSDC*.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source 
>> Developers
>>22 Sep 2009 *...* *MDeC's* Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with *OSDC*.my's
>>Vice President The aim of *OSDC*.my is to unite local open source
>>developers and their *...*
>>www.scribd.com/.../*OSDC*
>>-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers - 
>> Cached
>>5. *OSDC*.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source 
>> developers
>>22 Sep 2009 *...* The formation of the *OSDC*.my initiative is also
>>part of the *MDeC's* plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th
>>Economic Plan in the *...*
>>commtechasia.net/.../648-*osdc*
>>my-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html - 
>> Cached
>>
>>
>>
>> for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
>> u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Morning everyone,
>>>
>>> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
>>> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[sweemeng ng]

Are we discussing any sensitive information here?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a formal
> channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.
>
> if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
> the official source.
>
> with regards to unflattering comments about the government or organisation
> or persons or project this mailing list is publicly searchable through
> google.
>
>
>
>1. Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim *
>...*   - [ 
> Translate
>this 
> page]
>18 Sep 2009 *...* Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama
>Anak-anak *...*
>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ - 
> Cached
>2. Flickr: linuxmalaysia's 
> Photostream
>9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
>Majlis Berbuka Puasa *MDeC* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim
>160909 by *...*
>www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ - 
> Cached
>Show more results from 
> flickr.com
>Get more discussion 
> results
>3. Java is big! What is *mdec* doing about it? - *OSDC*.my Mailing List
>
> *...*
>28 Feb 2011 *...* It is time we reveal our strength and not even
>consider *mdec's* existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give ua
>free lunch anyway *...*
>groups.google.com/group/*osdc*my-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... -
>
> Cached
>4. *OSDC*.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source 
> Developers
>22 Sep 2009 *...* *MDeC's* Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with *OSDC*.my's
>Vice President The aim of *OSDC*.my is to unite local open source
>developers and their *...*
>www.scribd.com/.../*OSDC*
>-my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers - 
> Cached
>5. *OSDC*.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source 
> developers
>22 Sep 2009 *...* The formation of the *OSDC*.my initiative is also
>part of the *MDeC's* plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th
>Economic Plan in the *...*
>commtechasia.net/.../648-*osdc*
>my-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html - 
> Cached
>
>
>
> for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
> u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:
>
>> Morning everyone,
>>
>> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
>> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Please remove me if any mention of politicians comes up again.

Eric


On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
> fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
> a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
> touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
> and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
> ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
> only for m$ windows platform.
>
> on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
> i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
>> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
>> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
>> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
>> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>
>> 
>> From: Soire Meira 
>> Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
>> To: 
>> ReplyTo: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>>
>> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>>>
>>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:

 guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka
 serta belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika 
 bantahan
 dr ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt
 taraf hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir
 anak yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn 
 punya
 target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr
 Mark Zuckerberg..
 p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack

 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>
> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>
> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
> wrote:
> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
> > skadar
> > cadangan ja
> >
> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >>
> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used
> >> to
> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much
> >> other
> >> providers hated us.
> >>
> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
> >> to
> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> >> Grades F and FT only.
> >>
> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it.
> >> I
> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
> >> > dalam
> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak
> >> > OSS
> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain,
> >> > contohnya DG
> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG
> >> > (cikgu) juga
> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom
> >> > Mobile.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> >> > To: 
> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >> >
> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
> >> >
> >> > Eric
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> @Harisfazil

Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

tuan, nilam is for book reading.

whenever a student reads a book, then the student fills in the nilam record
book.

interesting info about the p4a php framework



2011/3/16 aziman noor 

> bukan kah Sitem Peperiksaan alternatif telah diguna pakai diSELANGOR dengan
> Sistem i-NILAM
> http://nilam.tarantula.my/
>
> Pemarkahan Peperiksaan.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> 2011/3/15 cikgu ayob 
>
>> isu kelajuan internet jadi isu..dalam hal ini..
>> itu dah memang..
>>
>> saya baca review dalam
>>
>> http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=553
>>
>> aplikasi sispa tersebut memang dalam perubahan sistem..
>> pelik ye..
>> tengah sibuk dengan kerja2 sekolah...
>> sibuk pula team ini, membangunkan sistem online untuk keputusan sukan
>> antara sekolah-sekolah (peringkat kebangsaan) di perak.
>>
>> saya risau sispa...tersadai pula...:(
>>
>> apa2 saya update lagi.,,
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Nagios Sales To Help Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Relief -Salute to Nagios team!!!

[Mohd Hidzuan Zainul Hashim]

Syabas Nagios! .. Usahawan Linux terkemuka Dunia .. Senyap ajer!! 


Regards,
e1

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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:27:54 
To: OSDC.my Mailing List; 

Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: [osdcmy] Nagios Sales To Help Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Relief -
 Salute to Nagios team!!!

http://community.nagios.org/2011/03/11/nagios-sales-to-help-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami-relief/


  Nagios Sales To Help Japan Earthquake and Tsunami
Relief
Published on March 11, 2011 in
Nagios.
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Comments

The recent earthquake in Japan and resulting tsunami have had a devastating
effect on the people of Asia Pacific region. We believe in supporting people
above everything else, so we’re 10% of all Nagios sales now through April
15th to the International Response
Fundof
the American
Red Cross  to help aid the people affected by the
disaster.
$ uname -a
NetBSD  5.0.2 NetBSD 5.0.2 (GENERIC) #0: Sat Feb  6 17:53:27 UTC 2010
bui...@b7.netbsd.org:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-2-RELEASE/i386/201002061851Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-2-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

so long as we can point a link to the source of the information on a formal
channel (eg a govt website) then we should be ok.

if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link to
the official source.

with regards to unflattering comments about the government or organisation
or persons or project this mailing list is publicly searchable through
google.



   1. Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim *...
   *  - [ Translate
   this 
page]
   18 Sep 2009 *...* Majlis Berbuka Puasa *mdec* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama
   Anak-anak *...*
   www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/ -
Cached
   2. Flickr: linuxmalaysia's
Photostream
   9 posts - 5 authors - Last post: 24 Apr 2010
   Majlis Berbuka Puasa *MDeC* Dan *OSDC*.my Bersama Anak-anak Yatim 160909
   by *...*
   www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/ -
Cached
   Show more results from
flickr.com
   Get more discussion
results
   3. Java is big! What is *mdec* doing about it? - *OSDC*.my Mailing List *
   
...*
   28 Feb 2011 *...* It is time we reveal our strength and not even consider
   *mdec's* existence. For what may i ask? They aint gona give ua free lunch
   anyway *...*
   groups.google.com/group/*osdc*my-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk... -
   
Cached
   4. *OSDC*.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source
Developers
   22 Sep 2009 *...* *MDeC's* Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with *OSDC*.my's Vice
   President The aim of *OSDC*.my is to unite local open source developers
   and their *...*
   www.scribd.com/.../*OSDC*
   -my-Aims-To-Unite-Malaysia-s-Open-Source-Developers -
Cached
   5. *OSDC*.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source
developers
   22 Sep 2009 *...* The formation of the *OSDC*.my initiative is also part
   of the *MDeC's* plan to move in the direction of Malaysia's 10th Economic
   Plan in the *...*
   commtechasia.net/.../648-*osdc*
   my-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html -
Cached



for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses




On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:

> Morning everyone,
>
> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
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[osdcmy] Nagios Sales To Help Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Relief - Salute to Nagios team!!!

[Ahmad Arafat Abdullah]

http://community.nagios.org/2011/03/11/nagios-sales-to-help-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami-relief/


  Nagios Sales To Help Japan Earthquake and Tsunami
Relief
Published on March 11, 2011 in
Nagios.
0 
Comments

The recent earthquake in Japan and resulting tsunami have had a devastating
effect on the people of Asia Pacific region. We believe in supporting people
above everything else, so we’re 10% of all Nagios sales now through April
15th to the International Response
Fundof
the American
Red Cross  to help aid the people affected by the
disaster.
$ uname -a
NetBSD  5.0.2 NetBSD 5.0.2 (GENERIC) #0: Sat Feb  6 17:53:27 UTC 2010
bui...@b7.netbsd.org:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-2-RELEASE/i386/201002061851Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-5-0-2-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE

[aziman noor]

bukan kah Sitem Peperiksaan alternatif telah diguna pakai diSELANGOR dengan
Sistem i-NILAM
http://nilam.tarantula.my/

Pemarkahan Peperiksaan.

Thanks.

2011/3/15 cikgu ayob 

> isu kelajuan internet jadi isu..dalam hal ini..
> itu dah memang..
>
> saya baca review dalam
>
> http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=553
>
> aplikasi sispa tersebut memang dalam perubahan sistem..
> pelik ye..
> tengah sibuk dengan kerja2 sekolah...
> sibuk pula team ini, membangunkan sistem online untuk keputusan sukan
> antara sekolah-sekolah (peringkat kebangsaan) di perak.
>
> saya risau sispa...tersadai pula...:(
>
> apa2 saya update lagi.,,
>
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[osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

[Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar]

Morning everyone,

I found that there are a lot of information related to our government 
discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?


Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

on the topic of oss at tadika, this is fairly easy to approach :
fimos can approach datin sri rosmah mansor
a child friendly remix (like the icon based ubuntu netbook remix) with
touch-screen monitors would probably work - along with a 'reliable hardware
and software'. i foresee the other main competitor would be terengganu's
ebook and the biggest other challenge are the content providers providing
only for m$ windows platform.

on the original topic of this thread  ehem... ehem
i am hearing news that hitech padu will be involved in oscc and openhis.



On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:45 AM,  wrote:

> Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
> Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
> Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk
> buat perbincangan dengan kita.
> Bila ye, nak buat?..
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> --
> *From: * Soire Meira 
> *Sender: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 +0800
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>
> Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!
>
> 2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 
>
>> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
>> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>
>>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>>> Mark
>>> Zuckerberg..
>>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>>
>>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>>
 Satu cadangan yang menarik.

 Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
 sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
 berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
 perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".



 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira 
 wrote:
 > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3..
 skadar
 > cadangan ja
 >
 > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
 >>
 >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
 >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
 >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
 >> providers hated us.
 >>
 >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
 >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
 >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
 >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
 >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts
 to
 >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
 >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
 >> Grades F and FT only.
 >>
 >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it.
 I
 >> approved several such applications when I was there.
 >>
 >> Eric
 >>
 >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
 >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
 >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
 dalam
 >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
 >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain,
 contohnya DG
 >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG
 (cikgu) juga
 >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
 >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
 >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom
 Mobile.
 >> >
 >> > -Original Message-
 >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
 >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
 >> > To: 
 >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
 >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
 >> >
 >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
 >> >
 >> > Eric
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
 >> > wrote:
 >> >> @Harisfazillah
 >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get
 the
 >> >> jobs
 >> >> done nicely.
 >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl
 left at
 >> >> there.
 >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too
 overloa

Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[tajul]

Kita memang tengah berusaha ke arah tukan soire meira.
Projek jawi kita, kita boleh try implement bermula dari tadika.
Kerjasama kita dengan UKM kita perlu fikirkan sebab dorang dah minta untuk buat 
perbincangan dengan kita.
Bila ye, nak buat?..
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
From: Soire Meira 
Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:38:33 
To: 
Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>> Mark
>> Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>>> > cadangan ja
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >>
>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>>> >> providers hated us.
>>> >>
>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>>> dalam
>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>>> DG
>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>>> juga
>>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message-
>>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>>> >> > To: 
>>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Eric
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>>> >> >> jobs
>>> >> >> done nicely.
>>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl
>>> left at
>>> >> >> there.
>>> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>>> >> >> until
>>> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>>> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> GarfieldWTF
>>> >> >> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
>>> >> >> http://debmal.my
>>> >> >> -
>>> >> >> CS Squad VPS Hosting
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
>>> >> >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
>>> >> > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information
>>> >> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

Paperwork plz.. but i will try.. insyaallah!

2011/3/16 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini 

> sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
> sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>
>> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
>> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
>> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
>> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
>> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
>> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
>> Mark
>> Zuckerberg..
>> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>>
>>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>>> > cadangan ja
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >>
>>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>>> >> providers hated us.
>>> >>
>>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>>> dalam
>>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>>> DG
>>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>>> juga
>>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Original Message-
>>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>>> >> > To: 
>>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Eric
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>>> >> >> jobs
>>> >> >> done nicely.
>>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl
>>> left at
>>> >> >> there.
>>> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>>> >> >> until
>>> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>>> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> GarfieldWTF
>>> >> >> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
>>> >> >> http://debmal.my
>>> >> >> -
>>> >> >> CS Squad VPS Hosting
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
>>> >> >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> MOSC2011 http://fb.me/mosc2011
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
>>> >> > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information
>>> >> >
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[osdcmy] Re: Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

Final call 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> Anyone with PHP knowledge want to try Azure ?
>
> -
>
> Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS
>
> http://portal.mosc.my/events/windows-azure-cloud-workshop-to-oss
>
> Time: 9.00 am to 5.00 pm, March 19, 2011.
>
> Venue: Info Trek Training Facility - Unit 3.50, Level 3, Amcorp Mall,
> 18, Persiaran Barat, 46050 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan
>
> FREE entry.
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

sekarang isunya macam mana nak ajukan benda ni untuk direalisasikan.
sekadar menaip di mailinglist tak guna juga.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:

> guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
> belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
> ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
> hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
> yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
> target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh baik dr 
> Mark
> Zuckerberg..
> p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>
>> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>>
>> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
>> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
>> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
>> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
>> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
>> > cadangan ja
>> >
>> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >>
>> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>> >> providers hated us.
>> >>
>> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>> >> Grades F and FT only.
>> >>
>> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
>> dalam
>> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
>> DG
>> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
>> juga
>> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>> >> > To: 
>> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> >> >
>> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Eric
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> @Harisfazillah
>> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>> >> >> jobs
>> >> >> done nicely.
>> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left
>> at
>> >> >> there.
>> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>> >> >> until
>> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> GarfieldWTF
>> >> >> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
>> >> >> http://debmal.my
>> >> >> -
>> >> >> CS Squad VPS Hosting
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan <
sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:

> People are free to make derivatives. But, to reduce the wasted effort,
> please do it upstream.
>
> Debian have Pure Blends [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends], Fedora
> have Spins [http://spins.fedoraproject.org/], Suse have Studio [
> http://susestudio.com/]
>
> Use them, and people will actually appreciate your work.
>
> suka dengan kenyataan diatas :)

>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
>
>> I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS developers
>> and the community.
>>
>> As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are
>> fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the difference
>> and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.
>>
>> From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters are
>> arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are supporting.
>> Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with each
>> others.
>> Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time and
>> fight who is better?
>>
>> What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications works on
>> all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an apps, able
>> works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its derivatives as
>> well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and its derivatives,
>> OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its derivatives etc.
>>
>> We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work together
>> for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the Malaysian like to
>> fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia labeled as a racism
>> country where all race are fighting about their differences. If we all want
>> to move forward towards a better future, stop fighting about our
>> differences. Work together for a common interest start from now on! Change
>> our mindset!!!
>>
>> Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their derivatives
>> distro, and argue with each others, this also made me decided to stop my
>> DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I don't want to see there is
>> another Linux distro derivative appear and sparking more arguments.
>> We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out something
>> which have not much difference to cause more controversy...
>>
>> There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you guys
>> react to what I have written above 1st...
>>
>> --
>> *GarfieldWTF *
>> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
>> *http://debmal.my*
>> -
>> *CS Squad VPS Hosting *
>>
>>
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>>
>
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>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

People are free to make derivatives. But, to reduce the wasted effort,
please do it upstream.

Debian have Pure Blends [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends], Fedora
have Spins [http://spins.fedoraproject.org/], Suse have Studio [
http://susestudio.com/]

Use them, and people will actually appreciate your work.



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS developers
> and the community.
>
> As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are
> fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the difference
> and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.
>
> From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters are
> arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are supporting.
> Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with each
> others.
> Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time and
> fight who is better?
>
> What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications works on
> all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an apps, able
> works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its derivatives as
> well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and its derivatives,
> OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its derivatives etc.
>
> We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work together
> for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the Malaysian like to
> fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia labeled as a racism
> country where all race are fighting about their differences. If we all want
> to move forward towards a better future, stop fighting about our
> differences. Work together for a common interest start from now on! Change
> our mindset!!!
>
> Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their derivatives
> distro, and argue with each others, this also made me decided to stop my
> DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I don't want to see there is
> another Linux distro derivative appear and sparking more arguments.
> We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out something
> which have not much difference to cause more controversy...
>
> There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you guys
> react to what I have written above 1st...
>
> --
> *GarfieldWTF *
> Debian User Community (Malaysia)
> *http://debmal.my*
> -
> *CS Squad VPS Hosting *
>
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Mohamad Imran]

Err.. nak buat spam sikit.. ^_^

http://wiki.kostem.my/index.php/Mesyuarat_dan_Perjumpaan

Minta maaf,
selamat berdiskusi :)

2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Wahai Merah Satu,
>
> +1
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:03 PM, red1  wrote:
> > Reaction: I hate you.
> > Now, please continue.
> >
> > On 3/15/11 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS
> developers
> >> and the community.
> >>
> >> As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are
> >> fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the
> difference
> >> and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.
> >>
> >> From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters are
> >> arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are
> supporting.
> >> Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with each
> >> others.
> >> Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time
> and
> >> fight who is better?
> >>
> >> What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications works
> on
> >> all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an apps, able
> >> works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its derivatives
> as
> >> well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and its derivatives,
> >> OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its derivatives etc.
> >>
> >> We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work together
> >> for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the Malaysian like
> to
> >> fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia labeled as a racism
> >> country where all race are fighting about their differences. If we all
> want
> >> to move forward towards a better future, stop fighting about our
> >> differences. Work together for a common interest start from now on!
> Change
> >> our mindset!!!
> >>
> >> Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their derivatives
> >> distro, and argue with each others, this also made me decided to stop my
> >> DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I don't want to see there
> is
> >> another Linux distro derivative appear and sparking more arguments.
> >> We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out
> something
> >> which have not much difference to cause more controversy...
> >>
> >> There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you guys
> >> react to what I have written above 1st...
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

guru2 + pengasuh hanya perlu asas sahaja utk ajar kanak2 ni membuka serta
belajar asas (aplikasi game+eduction dlm linux kn bnyk). jika bantahan dr
ibubpa high-class adalah kemungkinan besar.. so try at kampung @ tmpt taraf
hidup sederhana or below. so tntu mereka akn trima.. dr ctu akn lahir anak
yg bijak pandai .. walaupun nmpk mcm xberkesan.. tp ni utk 10 thn punya
target! siapa sangka Malaysia juga mampu melahirkn Jutawan Muda lbh
baik dr Mark
Zuckerberg..
p/s: Hack to Learn, Not Learn to Hack

2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Satu cadangan yang menarik.
>
> Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
> sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
> berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
> perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> > Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
> > cadangan ja
> >
> > 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >>
> >> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
> >> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> >> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
> >> providers hated us.
> >>
> >> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> >> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> >> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> >> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> >> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
> >> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> >> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> >> Grades F and FT only.
> >>
> >> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
> >> approved several such applications when I was there.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> >> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> >> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan
> dalam
> >> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
> >> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya
> DG
> >> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu)
> juga
> >> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
> >> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> >> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> >> > To: 
> >> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >> >
> >> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
> >> >
> >> > Eric
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> @Harisfazillah
> >> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
> >> >> jobs
> >> >> done nicely.
> >> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left
> at
> >> >> there.
> >> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
> >> >> until
> >> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> >> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
> >> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Wahai Merah Satu,

+1

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:03 PM, red1  wrote:
> Reaction: I hate you.
> Now, please continue.
>
> On 3/15/11 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>>
>> I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS developers
>> and the community.
>>
>> As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are
>> fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the difference
>> and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.
>>
>> From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters are
>> arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are supporting.
>> Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with each
>> others.
>> Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time and
>> fight who is better?
>>
>> What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications works on
>> all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an apps, able
>> works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its derivatives as
>> well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and its derivatives,
>> OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its derivatives etc.
>>
>> We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work together
>> for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the Malaysian like to
>> fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia labeled as a racism
>> country where all race are fighting about their differences. If we all want
>> to move forward towards a better future, stop fighting about our
>> differences. Work together for a common interest start from now on! Change
>> our mindset!!!
>>
>> Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their derivatives
>> distro, and argue with each others, this also made me decided to stop my
>> DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I don't want to see there is
>> another Linux distro derivative appear and sparking more arguments.
>> We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out something
>> which have not much difference to cause more controversy...
>>
>> There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you guys
>> react to what I have written above 1st...
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte]

Satu cadangan yang menarik.

Tapi guru2 dan pengasuh2 tadika mesti mempunyai kemahiran asas FOSS
sebelum mengajar anak2. Kemungkinan besar bantahan dari ibubapa yang
berpendapat perisian Mac atau mikrolembut lebih berguna daripada
perisian percuma "berkualiti rendah".



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:
> Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
> cadangan ja
>
> 2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>>
>> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
>> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
>> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
>> providers hated us.
>>
>> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
>> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
>> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
>> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
>> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
>> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
>> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
>> Grades F and FT only.
>>
>> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
>> approved several such applications when I was there.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
>> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
>> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam
>> > lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
>> > adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG
>> > (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga
>> > ada fighter untuk OSS.
>> > Sorry, I have no number again..
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
>> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
>> > To: 
>> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
>> >
>> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
>> >
>> > Eric
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
>> > wrote:
>> >> @Harisfazillah
>> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the
>> >> jobs
>> >> done nicely.
>> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
>> >> there.
>> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
>> >> until
>> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
>> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> http://debmal.my
>> >> -
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[red1]

Reaction: I hate you.
Now, please continue.

On 3/15/11 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS 
developers and the community.


As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are 
fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the 
difference and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.


From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters 
are arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are 
supporting.
Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with 
each others.
Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time 
and fight who is better?


What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications 
works on all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an 
apps, able works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its 
derivatives as well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and 
its derivatives, OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its 
derivatives etc.


We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work 
together for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the 
Malaysian like to fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia 
labeled as a racism country where all race are fighting about their 
differences. If we all want to move forward towards a better future, 
stop fighting about our differences. Work together for a common 
interest start from now on! Change our mindset!!!


Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their 
derivatives distro, and argue with each others, this also made me 
decided to stop my DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I 
don't want to see there is another Linux distro derivative appear and 
sparking more arguments.
We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out 
something which have not much difference to cause more controversy...


There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you 
guys react to what I have written above 1st...


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Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

[Soire Meira]

i like Google!

2011/3/15 Garfield WTF 

>
> Couldn't agree more with u guys.
> Myself, although don't like the fact that Google is trying for "World
> Domination"
> But hey, stuffs from them is really cool!!!
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[Garfield WTF]

I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS developers
and the community.

As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are
fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the difference
and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.

>From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters are
arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are supporting.
Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with each
others.
Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time and
fight who is better?

What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications works on
all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an apps, able
works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its derivatives as
well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and its derivatives,
OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its derivatives etc.

We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work together for
a common interest. Well, because of majority of the Malaysian like to fights
about the difference, this also made Malaysia labeled as a racism country
where all race are fighting about their differences. If we all want to move
forward towards a better future, stop fighting about our differences. Work
together for a common interest start from now on! Change our mindset!!!

Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their derivatives
distro, and argue with each others, this also made me decided to stop my
DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I don't want to see there is
another Linux distro derivative appear and sparking more arguments.
We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out something
which have not much difference to cause more controversy...

There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you guys
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[Soire Meira]

Apa kata klu dimulakn dari TADIKA.. so ada generasi baru.. he3.. skadar
cadangan ja

2011/3/15 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 

> Other training providers actually hated OSCC's guts; since we used to
> provide free FOSS training to GOMEN and since GOMEN is the largest
> consumer of IT products and services...you can imagine how much other
> providers hated us.
>
> OSCC kept the trainings free of charge to encourage the agencies to
> send their staff to be trained. This presented a challenge since one
> of the objectives of the Master Plan was to encourage the growth of
> the Malaysian FOSS industry. As we were already giving out free
> trainings we were basically killing the training providers' efforts to
> provide FOSS programmes. To "even" up and to avoid to further
> antagonising the training providers, we limited the trainings to
> Grades F and FT only.
>
> You can ask for training if several schools combined and ask for it. I
> approved several such applications when I was there.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM,   wrote:
> > Ye ke sifoo? Ke tinggal nama.
> > One thing la kalau boleh tukar sikit polisi. Training on OSS bukan dalam
> lingkungan IT officer, because sometime IT officer yang menolak OSS
> adoption. Maybe kene open untuk skim perjawatan yang lain, contohnya DG
> (cikgu). Sebab kita lihat pattern di organisasi kerajaan, DG (cikgu) juga
> ada fighter untuk OSS.
> > Sorry, I have no number again..
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte 
> > Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:51:19
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?
> >
> > OSCC exists on paper only now.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Garfield WTF 
> wrote:
> >> @Harisfazillah
> >> I believe the current OSCC now, need more capable people to get the jobs
> >> done nicely.
> >> Since you & Eric leave OSCC, it seems like not much capable ppl left at
> >> there.
> >> Those who are capable to do work, seems like they are too overload,
> until
> >> ==> cat /proc/loadavg ==> 150.00 80.00 70.00 <== WAH!!!
> >> If continue like this, I think those ppl will also leave soon...
> >>
> >> --
> >> GarfieldWTF
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> >> http://debmal.my
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

[sweemeng ng]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/report-piracy-a-global-pricing-problem-with-only-one-solution.ars

Just
a interesting related article

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> hi,
>
> some very good points were raised, I've added some comments below...
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> >Criminals can’t compete with free. The study finds no systematic links
> >> > between media piracy and >organized crime or terrorism in any of the
> >> > countries examined. Today, commercial pirates and >transnational
> smugglers
> >> > face the same dilemma as the legal industry: how to compete with free.
> >>
> >> This worry me. Free and OSS have two front to compete with. Legal and
> >> pirates will find ways that can be used against.
> >
> > OSS has some very strong benefits over legally licensed software.  The
> way I
> > see it, our only difficulty in this "competition" is how to make people
> > aware of the benefits effectively, and without the aid of a marketing
> > department.
> >
> > I'm more worried about illegally copied software.  Even with the clearly
> > documented benefits of OSS, it's hard to convince people to change the
> > software they've been using for years when the price is free and there's
> no
> > penalty for the illegal copy.  Luckily, the big software companies are
> > fighting this battle for us.  As they continue to make security mistakes
> and
> > push harder on copyright law enforcement, it becomes more likely that
> people
> > will consider alternatives.
> >
>
> Its an ironical situation isn't it? The more the big proprietry SW
> guys fight the 'piracy' battle, the more FOSS would benefit. Maybe the
> penalties are not harsh enough, and there is no stigma associated with
> 'pirating' SW. Its not seen as 'harming anybody'. Perhaps its the ease
> of getting away with using pirated SW that prevents FOSS from gaining
> ground. So I thing that is nothing to fear here.
>
>
> > Sabar je lah! :)  We don't even really need to think of this as a
> > competition because our community isn't a corporation that needs to make
> a
> > profit each quarter.  Just continue to be awesome, like we already are,
> and
> > make the software available to people when they're ready... it'll just
> > happen.
> >
>
> >
> >> Legal will used patent as ways to gain more profit from any software
> >> including OSS.
> >
> > I didn't quite understand this line.  If you meant that proprietary
> software
> > companies will use patents and copyright laws to get more profit than
> they
> > deserve from their own software and OSS software, I think you're right.
> > This worries me, too.  We can defend ourselves by being wary of the FUD
> and
> > supporting organizations that work to defend our rights like EFF.
> >
> What to fear is SW Patents and equiv. laws used to intimidate and
> victimise FOSS SW developers. If the Prop. SW guys manage to do that
> and scare away FOSS developers, that will be a major blow. If
> anything, we must fight these SW Patents as strongly as possible.
>
> I'm not against SW Patents per se, ie: if someone invents an algorithm
> that does encryption faster, smaller and more secure, then by all
> means it shoud be patented. But not for a process, or a UI, and then
> prevent competitors from doing the same thing... that's ridiculous.
>
> But, if that knowledge is shared, ie: like published as an academic
> paper, then others can learn from it and perhaps tweak it to make it
> better. What you don't want then is someone to take an 'open' idea,
> add their own inputs on it, then 'close' (& patent) it! But that's
> what GPL is there to prevent.
> >
> >>
> >> Pirate will use harmful ways to give bad name to any software. Example
> >> day 0 exploit.
> >
> > Are you talking about a "Zero-day attack" (
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack )?  What does that have to
> do
> > with piracy, OSS, or even proprietary software?  Theoretically, this kind
> of
> > exploit will affect any type of software project, free or otherwise,
> > equally.  However, OSS generally has a shorter turn-around for bug fixes
> and
> > a community with greater awareness than that of proprietary software, so
> > this kind of exploit actually works in our favor.  It's one of our
> > advantages over proprietary software.
> >
> I don't think that (commercial) pirates can actually harm FOSS. In
> fact I think it would be great if they can copy and distributes
> 1,000's copies of FOSS CD's, it will help spread FOSS. Maybe we should
> persuade them to do so ;-)
>
> >
> > -- Ghodmode
> > http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:
> >> > I figured this might be of interest:
> >> >
> >> > Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is the first independen

Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[red1]

Nah, too much earth to cut the Segenting Kra. Dr. M can't live that
long. Bridge is only few hundred metres. In 2 years Singapore probably
sunk.

On 3/15/11 7:23 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Nope, he should let the bridge stay and went on with the
plan to have a canal between Thailand and Malaysia. =P
  
  
  
  On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, red1 
wrote:
  
How i wish Dr. Mahathir did
cut them off at the bridge. Before he
resigned.


On 3/15/11 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Of course they are better! They are there
working on the
next big thing while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why
people don't want to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so
we can have yet another distro based on Ubuntu. =P
  
  
  
  
  
  Best Regards,
  
  
  Zarul Shahrin
  
  On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM,
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 
wrote:
  Working
harder
without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the
running wheel.

We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same
place.

If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with
them?





  
  
  



  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[zarul shahrin]

Nope, he should let the bridge stay and went on with the plan to have a
canal between Thailand and Malaysia. =P



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, red1  wrote:

>  How i wish Dr. Mahathir did cut them off at the bridge. Before he
> resigned.
>
>
> On 3/15/11 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
> Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing
> while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want
> to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet
> another distro based on Ubuntu. =P
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Zarul Shahrin
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan <
> sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on
>> the running wheel.
>>
>> We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same
>> place.
>>
>> If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with
>> them?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but
>>> then just a feeling.
>>>
>>>  I also got a feeling on the amount of visible R&D and product resulted
>>> from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>  Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a
>>> feeling
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>>
 Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have
 d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might
 be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this
 not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and
 personally feel that somehow is my fault too..

 rafe

 On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, "Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan" <
 sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times
 better than Malaysia?


   On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal 
 wrote:

> >
> > Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated
> that the global player of OSS ...
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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[Garfield WTF]

This is the reason why, I prefer to use Debian for my DirectAdmin servers
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Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

[Garfield WTF]

Couldn't agree more with u guys.
Myself, although don't like the fact that Google is trying for "World
Domination"
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[osdcmy] Rubyist for Japan - call for help

[Harisfazillah Jamel]

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To: "A general discussion list on Free/Open Source Software in
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Hi,

http://www.rubyistsforjapan.com/


Rubyists Coming Together For Japan

On Friday, March 12th, an 8.9 magnitude earthquake struck off the
North East coast of Japan resulting in massive devastation and human
casualties. At this time, hundreds of thousands are without shelter,
power, food or water and the conditions are quickly deteriorating.

Japan is the birthplace of Ruby, and Ruby has made our lives
collectively better. It's now our turn to focus our attention and
efforts towards helping our friends, partners and the citizens of
Japan. As we've learned from recent disasters, the initial rescue and
recovery work is only the first step of a long journey and as members
of the Ruby community, we hope to make a difference one dollar at a
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

[Boh Yap]

hi,

some very good points were raised, I've added some comments below...

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
>>
>> >Criminals can’t compete with free. The study finds no systematic links
>> > between media piracy and >organized crime or terrorism in any of the
>> > countries examined. Today, commercial pirates and >transnational smugglers
>> > face the same dilemma as the legal industry: how to compete with free.
>>
>> This worry me. Free and OSS have two front to compete with. Legal and
>> pirates will find ways that can be used against.
>
> OSS has some very strong benefits over legally licensed software.  The way I
> see it, our only difficulty in this "competition" is how to make people
> aware of the benefits effectively, and without the aid of a marketing
> department.
>
> I'm more worried about illegally copied software.  Even with the clearly
> documented benefits of OSS, it's hard to convince people to change the
> software they've been using for years when the price is free and there's no
> penalty for the illegal copy.  Luckily, the big software companies are
> fighting this battle for us.  As they continue to make security mistakes and
> push harder on copyright law enforcement, it becomes more likely that people
> will consider alternatives.
>

Its an ironical situation isn't it? The more the big proprietry SW
guys fight the 'piracy' battle, the more FOSS would benefit. Maybe the
penalties are not harsh enough, and there is no stigma associated with
'pirating' SW. Its not seen as 'harming anybody'. Perhaps its the ease
of getting away with using pirated SW that prevents FOSS from gaining
ground. So I thing that is nothing to fear here.


> Sabar je lah! :)  We don't even really need to think of this as a
> competition because our community isn't a corporation that needs to make a
> profit each quarter.  Just continue to be awesome, like we already are, and
> make the software available to people when they're ready... it'll just
> happen.
>

>
>> Legal will used patent as ways to gain more profit from any software
>> including OSS.
>
> I didn't quite understand this line.  If you meant that proprietary software
> companies will use patents and copyright laws to get more profit than they
> deserve from their own software and OSS software, I think you're right.
> This worries me, too.  We can defend ourselves by being wary of the FUD and
> supporting organizations that work to defend our rights like EFF.
>
What to fear is SW Patents and equiv. laws used to intimidate and
victimise FOSS SW developers. If the Prop. SW guys manage to do that
and scare away FOSS developers, that will be a major blow. If
anything, we must fight these SW Patents as strongly as possible.

I'm not against SW Patents per se, ie: if someone invents an algorithm
that does encryption faster, smaller and more secure, then by all
means it shoud be patented. But not for a process, or a UI, and then
prevent competitors from doing the same thing... that's ridiculous.

But, if that knowledge is shared, ie: like published as an academic
paper, then others can learn from it and perhaps tweak it to make it
better. What you don't want then is someone to take an 'open' idea,
add their own inputs on it, then 'close' (& patent) it! But that's
what GPL is there to prevent.
>
>>
>> Pirate will use harmful ways to give bad name to any software. Example
>> day 0 exploit.
>
> Are you talking about a "Zero-day attack" (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack )?  What does that have to do
> with piracy, OSS, or even proprietary software?  Theoretically, this kind of
> exploit will affect any type of software project, free or otherwise,
> equally.  However, OSS generally has a shorter turn-around for bug fixes and
> a community with greater awareness than that of proprietary software, so
> this kind of exploit actually works in our favor.  It's one of our
> advantages over proprietary software.
>
I don't think that (commercial) pirates can actually harm FOSS. In
fact I think it would be great if they can copy and distributes
1,000's copies of FOSS CD's, it will help spread FOSS. Maybe we should
persuade them to do so ;-)

>
> -- Ghodmode
> http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
>
>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:
>> > I figured this might be of interest:
>> >
>> > Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is the first independent, large-scale
>> > study of music, film and software piracy in emerging economies, with a
>> > focus
>> > on Brazil, India, Russia, South Africa, Mexico and Bolivia.
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[osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE

[cikgu ayob]

isu kelajuan internet jadi isu..dalam hal ini..
itu dah memang..

saya baca review dalam

http://diari.mypendidik.net/?p=553

aplikasi sispa tersebut memang dalam perubahan sistem..
pelik ye..
tengah sibuk dengan kerja2 sekolah...
sibuk pula team ini, membangunkan sistem online untuk keputusan sukan
antara sekolah-sekolah (peringkat kebangsaan) di perak.

saya risau sispa...tersadai pula...:(

apa2 saya update lagi.,,

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: SisPA: PHPSQL vs ORACLE

[Raja Iskandar Shah]

ikut kesesuaian bergantung:

   1. kelajuan internet dan keboleharapan
   2. lokasi kumpulan pengguna utama
   3. 1-way atau 2-way communication

ideal situation is centralised server with ideal connectivity

memang betul distributed perlukan server, maintenance, training, deployment
untuk setiap site.

no harm in comparing the pros and cons between the many options. the more
important thing is to consider all options / possibilities.

kongsi sikit pengalaman implement epbt di terengganu : epbt ada 2 main
systems (client server and web app)

   1. main database and client app for all functions and counter services :
   which is local to the pbt hq
   2. client app for all functions and counter services at branches with vpn
   connection to main database at the pbt hq
   3. client app for selected services which can be done offline (example
   payment and issue of licenses at public places where there is no connection)
   4. web app for customer services (statement / payment) with daily
   uploading via vpn between pbt hq and state govt, with customer accessing
   through the internet

mixed between centralised and distributed according to the situation

decentralised actually requires a more complex and comprehensive design, but
it is actually practical if you only need to upload reporting data. i have
seen general electric and honeywell offices in malaysia using local
installation of software, then uploading the data on daily basis to the
centralised global sap system.

it becomes necessary for high volume counter services at branches like for
banks or touch and go terminals. for banks even with leased lines, a
distributed layer still exists, so that some services can still be performed
(boleh terima duit tapi tak boleh buat withdrawal)

# tengah boring tunggu processing 60 million transactions from all the tng
toll terminals : berhari - hari 



2011/3/15 Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan 

> sistem macam ni lebih tak reliable, berbanding menggunakan satu server
>
> dan juga sistem macam ni memerlukan lebih banyak hardware, dan lebih banyak
> kos. maintenance pun kena kira juga.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:39 PM, cikgu ayob wrote:
>
>> Assalamualaikumkawan2
>> ramai juga yang memberi pandangan..
>> saya pun bersetuju...kita gunakan...isi markah on local network..
>> then...push the data to the system..
>>
>> kawan2 macam mana?
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[osdcmy] Re: Malaysian OSS Developer

[Jacob Thomas]

I agree with Raja that Rafe has a soft spot for OSS, despite all the
"luahan hati" from him. Its good to release your frustrations,
Rafe,...keeps your BP in check.

As far as the statement that Msia is not visible as OSS hub or
development area compared to Singapore by your internal team (I
presume its MDEC internal team), it will be interesting to see the
facts that they used to conclude this. I cannot say whether its true
or not but I can say there are weaknesses we need to overcome in order
to strengthen our position in OSS regionally and globally. This may be
a little long but pls bear with me...

A. Short term
1. I am sure we have many talented developers out there who are
involved in OSS in one way or the other. Its only that we do not know
or hear of all of them very much. Some may prefer to be low profile -
its their personal choice.

How do we get them to contribute to global OSS projects? I am sure one
of the many questions in developer's mind would be - what do I get if
I contribute - will it pay my bills, feed me etc? No easy answer to
that but I think it can be whatever you want it to be and more - with
hard work, some luck and a supportive & thriving ecosystem. While we
cannot control luck, I am sure it will eventually come when there is
adequate supply of the other 2 ingredients.

Now, do we already have a supportive & thriving ecosystem for
developers (OSS in particular) in Malaysia? If we do have one, how has
it helped the developers so far? How can it be improved further? If we
don't have one, how do we get started?  I like to hear your views on
this

B. Long term
2. We have been a nation of users for too long - and many are probably
happy to continue this way. We have not been successful to get our
citizens to be "hungry" to innovate and be producers, instead of just
being users. They say "Necessity is the mother of invention" - well,
maybe life is quite comfortable for us, Malaysians, and perhaps we
don't see any need to be innovative - be it in schools/universities,
work,etc. I hope I am wrong in this.

My view is that we are not doing enough (compared to developed
nations) to ignite the creativity & innovation among our citizens
especially the kids and younger generation. Yes, we see activities
here and there but it is sporadic, not coordinated and lack big
picture targets. I hope the recently established dept in PM's Office,
UNIK, will be able to coordinate this effort on nationwide scale in a
more effective manner. I hope UNIK will utilise OSS as one of the
tools to help them accelerate innovation at all levels of society,
working together with all stakeholders.

That's my RM 0.02 worth of "luahan"

regards
Jacob



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wrote:
> hikhik... rafe still has a soft spot for oss... even when he is ranting ;-)
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
> > I got to go down on details with d internal team and ask them what the
> > actual point that they are looking at...
>
> > rafe
>
> > On Mar 15, 2011 12:45 PM, "ApOgEE"  wrote:
>
> > In what sense, did you compare Malaysia and Singapore as development area
> > or potential OSS hub? Is it about facilities, people (community),
> > entrepreneurs, company, or government? Or is it because of this mailing list
> > is full of bitching and talking without anybody here showing their actual
> > OSS activities?
>
> > As what I can see, most people I know here have done something in OSS,
> > whether to OSS development and even OSS community. However, people like me
> > who actually have another busy and more profitable work/business will do
> > this community work as hobby and leisure. I need to work for money to feed
> > my family.
>
> > OK, enough of my rants... none of my problems is anyone business here.
> > Let's just tackle this issue. Could you please clarify on which part can
> > people like me, could help in increasing Malaysia rank in 'unknown criteria'
> > about being better development area or potential OSS hub compared to
> > Singapore?
>
> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Of course th...
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