[osdcmy-public] Re: About Funding FOSS
Hoho.. I'm really really sorry red1.. terkena shotgun. aduh InsyaAllah akan diusahakan sebaik-baiknya selepas ini On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Seriously, i do not think that FOSS is viable as a busines. Not yet. There is more to be done at the educational and spiritual level. Many people still do not believe in it. Many ppl still abuse it. They want free lunch not freedom. So i think the funding for FOSS cannot be along those lines of asking for proof of business viability. It should ask for passion and activism that is proven. Many of us are willing to go and sing the FOSS song, but as freelancers on kuda kepang, i m not sure they can do so for long. At least i am already unable to answer beyond FOSS.my, MyGoScon, UTP, which all do not pay for my time. The vendors can send their speakers cos they are paid. Is there a fund to support evangelism work? That is not paid by propreitary vendors? If not, the community should figure out a singular mechanism to arm themselves before stepping one foot out again into the battlefield. No use going out, getting shot and then cry for your mummies. Live for nothing, or Die for Something. from Rambo IV (or III?) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: About Funding FOSS
It's from Rambo IV. I love the quote. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5Cop=index On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, lutfi raffi lutfira...@gmail.com wrote: Hoho.. I'm really really sorry red1.. terkena shotgun. aduh InsyaAllah akan diusahakan sebaik-baiknya selepas ini On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Seriously, i do not think that FOSS is viable as a busines. Not yet. There is more to be done at the educational and spiritual level. Many people still do not believe in it. Many ppl still abuse it. They want free lunch not freedom. So i think the funding for FOSS cannot be along those lines of asking for proof of business viability. It should ask for passion and activism that is proven. Many of us are willing to go and sing the FOSS song, but as freelancers on kuda kepang, i m not sure they can do so for long. At least i am already unable to answer beyond FOSS.my, MyGoScon, UTP, which all do not pay for my time. The vendors can send their speakers cos they are paid. Is there a fund to support evangelism work? That is not paid by propreitary vendors? If not, the community should figure out a singular mechanism to arm themselves before stepping one foot out again into the battlefield. No use going out, getting shot and then cry for your mummies. Live for nothing, or Die for Something. from Rambo IV (or III?) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: About Funding FOSS
for me it's hard to tell.. some of Malaysia company or people don't really understand what we are doing.. senang nak bagi contoh, kawan saya pernah cakap, dah free, buat apa nak mintak duit lagi? On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar bizkut...@gmail.comwrote: It's from Rambo IV. I love the quote. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5Cop=index On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, lutfi raffi lutfira...@gmail.com wrote: Hoho.. I'm really really sorry red1.. terkena shotgun. aduh InsyaAllah akan diusahakan sebaik-baiknya selepas ini On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Seriously, i do not think that FOSS is viable as a busines. Not yet. There is more to be done at the educational and spiritual level. Many people still do not believe in it. Many ppl still abuse it. They want free lunch not freedom. So i think the funding for FOSS cannot be along those lines of asking for proof of business viability. It should ask for passion and activism that is proven. Many of us are willing to go and sing the FOSS song, but as freelancers on kuda kepang, i m not sure they can do so for long. At least i am already unable to answer beyond FOSS.my, MyGoScon, UTP, which all do not pay for my time. The vendors can send their speakers cos they are paid. Is there a fund to support evangelism work? That is not paid by propreitary vendors? If not, the community should figure out a singular mechanism to arm themselves before stepping one foot out again into the battlefield. No use going out, getting shot and then cry for your mummies. Live for nothing, or Die for Something. from Rambo IV (or III?) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: About Funding FOSS
Ana mau tanam semangat bahawa apa perjuangan ini sebenarnya. Jika mau cari makan, kahwin awal, dan beli kereta, lupakan perjuangan (yg tidak sia-sia) ini. Memang ini perjuangan murni, tetapi jangan sampai ada tentera kita yang tengah di medan perang boleh merungut, "laparrrnyaaa'. Sungguh sedih apabila hambo dengar rungutan sedemikian. Seperti kisah2 hidup saya tulis dalam http://padi-malaysia.blogspot.com/ sejak tahun lepas. Ia perjuangan jauh dan lama. Saya pilih jalan ini kerana tidak dapat elak dari kebenaran dan pengakuan tentang kebenaran. Begitu juga sabil FOSS ini. Bukan minta untuk menjadi pejuang tetapi terjerumus di dalamnya. Mahu keluar sudah macam lambat. Macam Rambo sudah landing kat tengah sawah padi berkumpuh di Myanmar mau pula fikirkan selamat? Innovation and creativity means we must be willing to learn from mistakes and change according to the circumstance. The way we Malaysians do things not all are right. Some of it must be mistakes. Then tell me how come asyik Stanford produce dotcom billionaires and we not a single one? Or secebis of anyone? Look at Japan. When Emperor Meiji was visited by Comodore Perry with huge warships in the 1850s, the japanese came out with the 100 year plan, to send NOT scholars but translators to learn foreign languages and then bring the manuals back to Japan to translate for their masses. They achieved a startling armada that can defeat a superpower the first time ever in modern times. If Japanese can think like that in 1850s, is it so difficult for us to change our thinking in 2010s? Like i said Lutfi at UTM, it is up to the VC there. Samada nak atau tidak. If he nak ke Harvard, then he goes to Harvard, but what can Harvard teach you? UTM to be no.1 like Harvard? Think again. If he wants to come home and believe in our shorty little asians, then i believe he can do it. I will be willing to serve him. Many of us will. So just give me one blady university that truly needs our help. That has ownership from the top. That the VC says, "Yes! Lets do it and beat the crap out of the west!" but no, instead they still agung-agungkan the west. Like i said, such are acts of treason and ought to be shot by our malaysian Rambo. lutfi raffi wrote: Hoho.. I'm really really sorry red1.. terkena shotgun. aduh InsyaAllah akan diusahakan sebaik-baiknya selepas ini On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Seriously, i do not think that FOSS is viable as a busines. Not yet. There is more to be done at the educational and spiritual level. Many people still do not believe in it. Many ppl still abuse it. They want free lunch not freedom. So i think the funding for FOSS cannot be along those lines of asking for proof of business viability. It should ask for passion and activism that is proven. Many of us are willing to go and sing the FOSS song, but as freelancers on kuda kepang, i m not sure they can do so for long. At least i am already unable to answer beyond FOSS.my, MyGoScon, UTP, which all do not pay for my time. The vendors can send their speakers cos they are paid. Is there a fund to support evangelism work? That is not paid by propreitary vendors? If not, the community should figure out a singular mechanism to arm themselves before stepping one foot out again into the battlefield. No use going out, getting shot and then cry for your mummies. Live for nothing, or Die for Something. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: About Funding FOSS
red1 let me have a go at the icon grant application - i promised rafe to submit esok for two projects i will update you tomorrow at oscc anyone else yg ada experience in this icon grant - saya dengar ada org melaka dah dapat dah ;-) On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Ana mau tanam semangat bahawa apa perjuangan ini sebenarnya. Jika mau cari makan, kahwin awal, dan beli kereta, lupakan perjuangan (yg tidak sia-sia) ini. Memang ini perjuangan murni, tetapi jangan sampai ada tentera kita yang tengah di medan perang boleh merungut, laparrrnyaaa'. Sungguh sedih apabila hambo dengar rungutan sedemikian. Seperti kisah2 hidup saya tulis dalam http://padi-malaysia.blogspot.com/sejak tahun lepas. Ia perjuangan jauh dan lama. Saya pilih jalan ini kerana tidak dapat elak dari kebenaran dan pengakuan tentang kebenaran. Begitu juga sabil FOSS ini. Bukan minta untuk menjadi pejuang tetapi terjerumus di dalamnya. Mahu keluar sudah macam lambat. Macam Rambo sudah landing kat tengah sawah padi berkumpuh di Myanmar mau pula fikirkan selamat? Innovation and creativity means we must be willing to learn from mistakes and change according to the circumstance. The way we Malaysians do things not all are right. Some of it must be mistakes. Then tell me how come asyik Stanford produce dotcom billionaires and we not a single one? Or secebis of anyone? Look at Japan. When Emperor Meiji was visited by Comodore Perry with huge warships in the 1850s, the japanese came out with the 100 year plan, to send NOT scholars but translators to learn foreign languages and then bring the manuals back to Japan to translate for their masses. They achieved a startling armada that can defeat a superpower the first time ever in modern times. If Japanese can think like that in 1850s, is it so difficult for us to change our thinking in 2010s? Like i said Lutfi at UTM, it is up to the VC there. Samada nak atau tidak. If he nak ke Harvard, then he goes to Harvard, but what can Harvard teach you? UTM to be no.1 like Harvard? Think again. If he wants to come home and believe in our shorty little asians, then i believe he can do it. I will be willing to serve him. Many of us will. So just give me one blady university that truly needs our help. That has ownership from the top. That the VC says, Yes! Lets do it and beat the crap out of the west! but no, instead they still agung-agungkan the west. Like i said, such are acts of treason and ought to be shot by our malaysian Rambo. lutfi raffi wrote: Hoho.. I'm really really sorry red1.. terkena shotgun. aduh InsyaAllah akan diusahakan sebaik-baiknya selepas ini On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Seriously, i do not think that FOSS is viable as a busines. Not yet. There is more to be done at the educational and spiritual level. Many people still do not believe in it. Many ppl still abuse it. They want free lunch not freedom. So i think the funding for FOSS cannot be along those lines of asking for proof of business viability. It should ask for passion and activism that is proven. Many of us are willing to go and sing the FOSS song, but as freelancers on kuda kepang, i m not sure they can do so for long. At least i am already unable to answer beyond FOSS.my, MyGoScon, UTP, which all do not pay for my time. The vendors can send their speakers cos they are paid. Is there a fund to support evangelism work? That is not paid by propreitary vendors? If not, the community should figure out a singular mechanism to arm themselves before stepping one foot out again into the battlefield. No use going out, getting shot and then cry for your mummies. Live for nothing, or Die for Something. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
