Fantastic advertising.

[Rachael Trewin]

Whilst having a look thru 'Melbourne's Child' 
(newspaper distributed to kinda's, schools etc) I noticed an advertisement for a 
company called Cleavers - The Organic Meat Company. They used a good sized photo 
of a breastfeeding baby with the caption "Make sure you're both enjoying 100% 
pure and natural nourishment."
 
If you would like to give them a pat on the back 
you can find them at www.organicmeat.com.au .
 
It put some faith back into my day!!
Rach...

Re: Hepatitis B

[Leigh Evans]

Hi Angela
You will find that the Australian Vaccination Network will have info for
you. Their address is www.avn.org.au. All the best with your studies.
Leigh
- Original Message -
From: "Angela Joppich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:15 AM
Subject: Hepatitis B


> Hi
>
> I am currently doing my midwifery and am undertaking an assignment on
> Hepatitis B.  Does anyone know of any literature either supporting or not
> supporting vaccination immediately following birth?
>
> Angela
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ACMI membership

[raelene george]

>Dear List,
>I've been an ACMI member since 1991 and a unit
manager
>for the past 4 years. We have a small but active
>s*b-branch of the ACMI in Kalgoorlie/Boulder, but the
>majority of members are either "semi retired" because
>of family committments or work in the Community
Health
>Sector. Unfortunately the majority of the midwives
who
>work in our local unit are not members. We have tried
>everything! We had a national rural midwifery
>conference, we have regular study days (at decreased
>cost to members)we have social gatherings and
>community activities...the list goes on. The most
>common criticism is the cost and no manner of trying
>to justify the fee on our part seems to work.
>Unfortunately our hospital will not take salary
>deductions. Our next coarse of action is to
>investigate bank deductions. We are in the process of
>putting together a questionaire to all non ACMI
>members in the region to guage their reaction and
>invite suggestions on how to increase our membership.
>We always include non members in our activities and
>usually these are well attended, but they can not
seem
>to make the next step.
>Raelene



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Fw: childbirth

[Elizabeth McAlpine]

Title: Dear Senator Crowley,



 
- Original Message - 
From: Elizabeth 
McAlpine 
To: Beazley, Kim (MP) 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: childbirth

Dear Mr. Beazley,
 
I thank you for replying to my letter regarding 
childbirth and I downloaded the 'Ensuring Safe and Dependable Medicine, Labor's 
plan to reform medical indemnity insurance.   
 
My response went through the ALP website, but I 
think its far better if I also respond to you directly.
 
In that response, I queried the statement of 
'expansion of community based home birth programs linked to public hospitals and 
birthing'  because, as far as I am aware, its just not done.
 
I am seeking total childbirth reform, 
following the Dutch and the New Zealand governments.   The 
Dutch model of maternity care is exemplary in that there is total support 
from the national government, no
competition amongst providers of maternity 
care, no tradition of litigation in Holland, but a social system which provides 
fully for disability, and a review board which acknowledges 
mistakes/mismanagement and satisfies the complainant, which I believe also 
extends to all medical care.   A highly 
ethical approach which brings out the best in both the professional care givers 
and the community as a whole.
 
Medical and midwifery indemnity will continue to be 
of major concern of government, unless action is taken which resolves the 
insurance issue once and for all. 
 
I'm returning to Melbourne from Abu Dhabi at the 
end of September, and it is my ambition to assist the ALP in its goal of 
nationalizing childbirth reform.
 
Labour with Labor and empower women - vote 
Labor.
 
yours sincerely,
Elizabeth McAlpine
 
 
 

   
  

 
 
 
 
 

Twin policies.

[Robin Moon]

Dear Ozmidders.

I am currently in debate ( and about to suffer mediation, *sigh*) with a Senior 
Registrar who would
like to make a policy which states all (vaginal) twins are to be delivered in OT. We 
are a  small,
low risk unit; the OT is about 5 minutes away by slow lift, etc. His concern is the 
timeframe for a
troublesome 2nd twin.

Not withstanding all our obvious concerns which have arisen from this debate, there is 
much
heartache in our little unit and I would love to know if there are any hospitals, 
specifically in
Sydney, or anywhere, really, that have this as policy. And why?

Thank you in advance,

Robin Moon

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Re: the campaign

[Vernon at Stringybark]

By chance I did hear the interview this morning and agree Vanessa Owen did
an excellent job. 

However it was disturbing to hear the limited understanding of Penny Gregory
as the Chair of the committee charged with advising the NHMC on this issue.
I have drafted a letter from ACT Maternity Coalition addressing some of the
comments Penny made.  I am wary of getting her offside since she could be
influential in coming months - any comments of the letter would be welcome
ASAP so i can send it... (I know it's a bit long but there are some ACT
issues we had to address, since Penny Gregory is also the Head of the ACT
Department of Health).

regards, Barb Vernon

Dr Penny Gregory
Chairperson
Jurisdictional Working Party of the Australian Health Ministers Advisory
Council
C/o ACT Department of Health & Community Services
CANBERRA  ACT 2601

Dear Dr Gregory,

Professional indemnity Insurance for Independent Midwives
We were encouraged to hear your comments on Radio National this morning that
the Jurisdictional Working Party of the Australian Health Ministers Advisory
Council (AHMAC) will be looking into a range of options for consideration by
Health Ministers to address the professional indemnity insurance crisis
currently facing Independently Practicing Midwives (IPMs).
However several of the comments you made during the interview suggested you
may be unfamiliar with what independent midwifery entails and of why this
issue carries such significance for birthing women in the ACT and indeed
nationally.  

Firstly, you gave the impression that you see independent midwifery as
relating only to a small minority of women who choose to birth at home.  As
the College of Midwives President, Vanessa Owen, rightly pointed out during
the same interview, the issue is one of access to a midwifery model of care;
a model of care which international experience has proven to be best
practice both in terms of outcomes for women & babies and in terms of cost
effectiveness for government funding bodies (see WHO 1999 Care In Normal
Birth).  This issue therefore affects all birthing women.

Women who choose homebirth do contract an Independently Practicing Midwife
(IPM) as it is currently the only way to have a birth at home in most
States, including the ACT.  However, women also contract IPMs to provide
continuity of carer and birth in hospital or a birth centre because it is
only through engaging an IPM that women have true continuity of carer
throughout their pregnancy, birth and postnatal period.  It has been
demonstrated in clinical trials overseas and in Australia that women who are
accompanied by a known midwife have less need of obstetric interventions and
better outcomes for both the mother and baby.  We would be happy to provide
references to this research.

Secondly, you commented this morning that women making an informed choice to
birth at home with an independent midwife lack obstetric backup, implying
that homebirth is less than safe and therefore less worthy of being
seriously considered as an option that governments ought to ensure is
available to birthing women in Australia.

Again, this impression is not supported by scientific evidence.  Studies
have shown that birth in the home attended by an accredited independent
midwife is one of the safest options available to women experiencing normal
pregnancy.  IPMs have the skills and experience to refer women to tertiary
obstetric care as needs be.  Such referral is typically only necessary for a
very small percentage of women (around 10%) with the majority experiencing
successful birth without the need for obstetric intervention when cared for
by an IPM.   Again it is the model of care rather than the location of the
birth which is the important factor.

Thirdly, we were interested to hear your view that women in the ACT have
access to a strong team based model of midwifery care, which provides
continuity of care.  We presume you were referring to the Canberra Midwifery
Program (CMP) that provides women with access to the Canberra Birth Centre
at the Canberra Hospital.

Many Œconsumers¹ would disagree with this claim.  With around 4,500 births
per year in the ACT and the current capacity of the Birth Centre at 520
births per year, it is clearly not accurate to assert that this model of
care is available to ACT birthing women in general.  We understand that the
CMP is turning away 8 to 14 women per month that request midwifery based
care. They are fully booked even though they do not advertise their services
to consumers or potential referring medical practitioners.

Nor does the CMP program guarantee continuity of carer, even though it aims
for this. A team of midwives cares for women. While it is hoped that a woman
will meet with all midwives on the team throughout her pregnancy, when she
arrives at the birth centre it is quite possible she will be cared for by a
midwife she hardly knows. There is a transfer rate of 70% for first time
Mums and 49% overall.

The Birth

Re: childbirth

[Mary Murphy]

Title: Dear Senator Crowley,



Dear Elizabeth, you are right.  In Australia there are no Programs 
that" link to the hospital".  Here in W.A. the Community Program midwives 
become support persons the minute they transfer into the hospital in all but one 
small birthing unit.  This would be the ideal, ensuring continuity of care 
for the woman, but most of the time it doesnt happen.
Congratulations on all the lobbying you are doing for the midwifery 
insurance crisis.  As a midwife who may be forced into retirement well 
before my time, Thank you. Regards, Mary Murphy

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Elizabeth 
  McAlpine 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:23 
  PM
  Subject: Fw: childbirth
  
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elizabeth 
  McAlpine 
  To: Beazley, Kim (MP) 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: childbirth
  
  Dear Mr. Beazley,
   
  I thank you for replying to my letter regarding 
  childbirth and I downloaded the 'Ensuring Safe and Dependable Medicine, 
  Labor's plan to reform medical indemnity insurance.   
   
  My response went through the ALP website, but I 
  think its far better if I also respond to you directly.
   
  In that response, I queried the statement of 
  'expansion of community based home birth programs linked to public hospitals 
  and birthing'  because, as far as I am aware, its just not 
  done.
   
  I am seeking total childbirth reform, 
  following the Dutch and the New Zealand governments.   The 
  Dutch model of maternity care is exemplary in that there is total support 
  from the national government, no
  competition amongst providers of maternity 
  care, no tradition of litigation in Holland, but a social system which 
  provides fully for disability, and a review board which acknowledges 
  mistakes/mismanagement and satisfies the complainant, which I believe also 
  extends to all medical care.   A highly 
  ethical approach which brings out the best in both the professional care 
  givers and the community as a whole.
   
  Medical and midwifery indemnity will continue to 
  be of major concern of government, unless action is taken which resolves the 
  insurance issue once and for all. 
   
  I'm returning to Melbourne from Abu Dhabi at the 
  end of September, and it is my ambition to assist the ALP in its goal of 
  nationalizing childbirth reform.
   
  Labour with Labor and empower women - vote 
  Labor.
   
  yours sincerely,
  Elizabeth McAlpine
   
   
   
  
 

  
   
   
   
   
   

Re: Twin policies.

[Mary Murphy]

Dear Robin, I can't help you with hospital policies as I am a homebirth
midwife(at least up until 31 August).  My mother was a midwife before she
married and when I was going out to an isolated farm 15 yrs ago to be with a
woman in labour whoom  I suspected had twins, but no proof as no U/S
available, My mum said.. "don't worry Mary, just give the second baby time
to come down.. it takes 20-30 minutes.  DONT fiddle with the second one...
it will be alright."  I did as she said and the woman birthed both her twins
in the hands and knees position.. with 20 minutes in between.  I have been
with mothers birthing twins since (in a hospital unit with supportive Obst.
outside the door) and I have alsways followed her principles.  In one of the
cases, the second twin took 40 mins to arrive.  I just kept intemittantly
monitoring the second twin while the mother breast fed the first.  Hope this
helps, altho I KNOW he will want random controlled trial results.  Cheers,
Mary M

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Guthries at the breast

[Paul & Tracy]

Hi all,
 
Just wondering if anybody out there is aware of any 
information on performing guthries on the babies whilst they are at the 
breast.  I read about it on this list about six or so months ago and have 
been doing them this way ever since.  However, when trying to introduce the 
idea to the ward, several of my colleagues are concerned the baby may aspirate 
if sucking whilst stabbed. This has certainly never happened to me and if 
anything I find the baby bearly knows it is happening, is more relaxed and the 
blood flows more freely.  I also believe the mothers are more content with 
this method (as am I!!).  
What are your thoughts on this and have you any 
information out there that I can utilise.
 
Thankyou 
 
Tracy

Re: Hepatitis B

[Jan Robinson]

Dear Angela
Try the Natural Health Society of Australia
email <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
www.naturalhealth.org.au
Jan Robinson
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book launch invitation Thursday 6 September 2001 at 5pm

[Johnston]

To all who are interested in childbirth, you are invited to:
Maternity Coalition's FORUM and LAUNCH of KERREEN REIGER'S NEW BOOK
'OUR BODIES, OUR BABIES'
The Maternity Coalition in conjunction with the absolutely women's health 
program invites you to a forum and book launch.
THE CHILDBIRTH REVOLUTION:
STALLED OR STOPPED?

A panel of speakers who have been active in changing childbirth in recent 
decades will consider what has and has not been achieved. Their lively 
discussion will be facilitated by Andrea Robertson of Birth International.
Thursday 6 September 2001 at 5pm
Committee Room First Floor
Royal Women's Hospital
Cardigan Street (Emergency) Entrance
Carlton
Following the forum you are invited to celebrate the publication of
OUR BODIES, OUR BABIES:
THE FORGOTTEN WOMEN'S MOVEMENT
By Kerreen Reiger
Published by Melbourne University Press
to be launched by
Rhonda Galbally of ourcommunity.com.au
With the support of the Royal Women's Hospital, light refreshments will be 
catered for by 'Mary and Steve'. A donation to the Maternity Coalition of 
$10 (or $5 MC members/unwaged) is requested to defray other costs and to 
continue the work of making childbirth 'woman-friendly'.
  

* As numbers are strictly limited please RSVP by 30 August 2001 to:

The Maternity Coalition
PO Box 73
Brunswick South VIC  3055

Please make cheques payable (tax deductible donations) to The Maternity 
Coalition.
Receipts will be available at the forum.
Inquiries to
Robin Payne
tel: 9380 2863
or
absolutely women's health
tel: 9344 2199


Please find enclosed my payment for
the forum 'The Childbirth Revolution:
stalled or stopped?' and the launch of
Our Bodies, Our Babies: The
Forgotten Women's Movement

$5 MC member/unwaged
$10 others
Name _
Address ___


  

ABOUT
Our Bodies, Our Babies
The Forgotten Women's Movement
This is a wonderful book . . .  read it and consider what has been won, and 
how much more needs to be won, in the childbirth revolution!
Barbara Katz Rothman, City University of New York
Kerreen Reiger is absolutely right to see the childbirth movement as the 
forgotten women's movement, and the great pleasure of this book is to find 
in every chapter the right questions being asked.
Janet McCalman, University of Melbourne
For most of the twentieth century, childbirth and the care of mothers and 
babies in Western countries was controlled by doctors and a hospital system 
headed by men.
In Our Bodies, Our Babies, Kerreen Reiger traces the struggle of Australian 
women and others to change approaches to childbirth, to claim their right 
to choices in childbirth, and to educate themselves about birth and 
breastfeeding. She explores the movement which radically changed our 
maternity care practices, allowing fathers to participate in the birth of 
their children and babies to 'room-in' with their mothers.  This absorbing 
story draws on interviews with mothers, midwives and doctors, and on 
archival material from relevant women's organisations. It shows how the 
childbirth and breastfeeding movements are relevant to feminism and women's 
rights. Much has been achieved, but Reiger sees a need for still more 
political action.
Any woman who has given birth, and anyone who has cared for mothers and 
babies, will want to read this book.


Dr Kerreen Reiger
Director of Women's Studies
School of Social Sciences
La Trobe University 3086
Australia
ph: 61 3 9479 1040
fax: 61 3 9479 2705


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Re: Guthries at the breast

[Jayne]

Hi Tracy,
 
Unfortunately I don't have any info apart from my own 
experiences with 2 of my homebirthed babies.
 
They both barely paused at the breast whilst it was 
done.
 
Good luck!
 
Jayne
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Paul & Tracy 
  
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:53 
  PM
  Subject: Guthries at the breast
  
  Hi all,
   
  Just wondering if anybody out there is aware of 
  any information on performing guthries on the babies whilst they are at the 
  breast.  I read about it on this list about six or so months ago and have 
  been doing them this way ever since.  However, when trying to introduce 
  the idea to the ward, several of my colleagues are concerned the baby may 
  aspirate if sucking whilst stabbed. This has certainly never happened to 
  me and if anything I find the baby bearly knows it is happening, is more 
  relaxed and the blood flows more freely.  I also believe the mothers are 
  more content with this method (as am I!!).  
  What are your thoughts on this and have you any 
  information out there that I can utilise.
   
  Thankyou 
   
  Tracy

Re: Guthries at the breast

[Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood]

Hi,
 
Just browsing through my wife's mails and saw this thread. As 
with Jayne, our midwife performed the Guthrie's heal prick on our two home 
birthed boys, the last one a week ago, whilst they were on the breast, with 
barely a whimper (from the boys). I believe that this our midwife's chosen 
practice in this regard.
 
Regards,
 
Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jayne 
  
  To: Paul & Tracy ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:15 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Guthries at the breast
  
  Hi Tracy,
   
  Unfortunately I don't have any info apart from my own 
  experiences with 2 of my homebirthed babies.
   
  They both barely paused at the breast whilst it was 
  done.
   
  Good luck!
   
  Jayne
   
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Paul & Tracy 

To: ozmidwifery 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:53 
PM
Subject: Guthries at the breast

Hi all,
 
Just wondering if anybody out there is aware of 
any information on performing guthries on the babies whilst they are at the 
breast.  I read about it on this list about six or so months ago and 
have been doing them this way ever since.  However, when trying to 
introduce the idea to the ward, several of my colleagues are concerned the 
baby may aspirate if sucking whilst stabbed. This has certainly never 
happened to me and if anything I find the baby bearly knows it is happening, 
is more relaxed and the blood flows more freely.  I also believe the 
mothers are more content with this method (as am I!!).  

What are your thoughts on this and have you any 
information out there that I can utilise.
 
Thankyou 
 
Tracy

Re: Guthrie's at the breast

[Jackie Mawson]

Title: Re: Guthrie's at the breast



Just wondering if anybody out there is aware of any information on performing guthries on the babies whilst they are at the breast.

It is the best way, as far as Mother and child are concerned. As far as I know, babies are very unlikely to aspirate when they are newborn. It is only when they get older and start talking that aspiration becomes more of a problem – Chimpanzees, gorilla’s, etc, never choke (even as infants) but they also never talk. The tendency for humans to choke has something to do with the ability we have to talk (larger larynx?) and we have a protective mechanism when very small to help avoid this happening – that’s why small children have tiny, high pitched voices, that develop as they grow.

Anyway, I don’t think aspiration is an issue. And doing Guthrie's while breastfeeding is just so much less traumatic for mother and baby (I know, I insisted on it for my 3rd child – the other 2 I didn’t know about it).

Birthing Beautifully,
Jackie Mawson.

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guthries at the breast.

[Jodie Hopkins]

 I have seen a baby bawk at breast feeding after  repeatedly being stabbed
whilst feeding over the first few days. ie, vit k , hep B, NNST  and
Billi.I didnt blame the poor tike, after his mum would put him to the
breast before the injection, following instructions by a well meaning
midwife, that this was the easiest way to do it.Obviously the baby got the
idea that breast feeding is painful . since then, I have stopped doing
any interventions whilst a baby is feeding, so as to promote that time as
pleasurable to both mother and baby. I dont know whether a babe could
aspirate, but i guess anything's possible.

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Re: Guthrie's at the breast

[TinaPettigrew]

Hi all,

my four babes were BF when Guthrie's test was performed. For babe no 1. 
though, I had to fight to have this done as it was not "accepted practice 
here" as I was told by a grumpy midwife who was to busy to argue with me. She 
TOLD me that some babies became extremely distressed during this time, and 
she felt it better that he be taken away and have it performed in the nursery 
and that they would bring him back once settled. All the more reason I argued 
for me to be present should my babe become distressed, so I refused to have 
the test done in this manner and expressed vigorously my wish to be present 
and hold my baby preferably as he BF for this procedure. I then insisted on a 
"more gentle and empathetic staff member" who could accommodate my wishes to 
perform the test. 

My wishes were eventually respected and a beautiful woman sat with me and my 
babe in our room while performing the Guthries. She came and spoke with me 
before hand, and worked around Matthew's feeds. She was patient and waited 
for him to be settled at the breast first, made sure I was ready and 
comfortable and proceeded with little fuss or fluster!! The midwife's calm in 
this situation was for me paramount in performing the test. For the record, 
Matthew never even so much as whimpered!

A very happy mother (and babe) and midwife!!

Babes 2, 3 and 4 all had their Guthrie's performed at home, in calm and 
comfortably settled and BF. Babe 2, not so much as a squeak, babe 3 cried 
alittle, but found the breast again and was immediately distracted, babe 4 
not a whimper either.

I am a firm advocate of performing Guthries with babes at the breast - with 
babe BF and settled, a warm comfortable room, mother relaxed and calm, 
midwife relaxed and calm in my experience, things generally go very smoothly.

Yours in birth,
Tina Pettigrew
Birthworks
Independent CBE and aspiring B.Mid Midwife.
Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective.

" As we trust the flowers to open to new life
   - So we can trust birth"
Harriette Hartigan.
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Fw: Course in Spiritual Midwifery

[Khushi Anand]

 

 
  Dear List,
 
Just a short message to let you all know about a 6-week 
program run by the International College of Spiritual Midwifery. It is suitable 
for midwives, obstetricians, childbirth educators, doulas, GPs and therapists 
or, indeed, anybody who would like to learn about the birth process. The 
program is  titled
 
 "Introduction to Spiritual 
Midwifery"
 
Starting on Tuesday, 7th August, it runs every 
Tuesday from 6.30 - 10pm for 6 weeks at a cost of $355. 
 
Shivam Rachana, principal and founder of the college 
will be teaching the program. .
 
It is the last "Introduction to Spiritual Midwifery" 
program for 2001, if you would like to enrol, please call the college 
on (03) 9654 3737. 

Primal Therapy Workshop

[Khushi Anand]

 

 

 
Dear list,
 
 
Some information regarding an upcoming workshop that some of you may be 
interested in
 
Attachment, Intimacy and the Primal 
Process
A residential weekend workshop
Friday 24th August - 6pm until Sunday 26th August - 
4pm
Facilitated by Dr John Spensley and Gillian 
Johnson
 
Cost: $595 - includes workshop, full accommodation and 
meals
 
Our first attachment experiences occur pre-verbally. Unless we are able to 
form trusting attachments in our first years of life, we are prone to distorted 
forms of intimacy as we re-enact our past again and again in our relationships. 
During this workshop, there will be the opportunity to explore these pre-verbal 
and other early experiences via the primal process.
 
Whilst the workshop will appeal to those who have done some primal process 
work before, or some deep regressive work, it will also appeal to those who have 
an interest in exploring early experiences and are eighteen years of age or 
over.
 
The workshop would not suit those who are having psychological or 
psychiatric treatment (without discussion with their therapist), those with 
schizophrenia or psychosis, or those who have experienced psychotic reactions 
with drugs. Those with severe personality disorders are unlikely to benefit from 
this process under these conditions. Each applicant will be individually 
assessed.
 
For further information and application forms, please contact:
 
The Jamillon Centre
356 Whitehorse Rd,
Balwyn  3103.
Ph/Fax (03) 9888 4144
 
Dr John Spensley, paediatrician, trained for many years 
with Dr Graham Farrant, a pioneer in the field of Cellular Consciousness and 
with whom he started his own Primal Process. His special interest is the effects 
of birth and pre-birth experiences on babies, children and adults and how 
traumatic experiences might be resolved early rather than later in life. He is 
an advocate of the importance of applying this knowledge to the preparation of 
couples considering having a child.
 
Gillian Johnson, psychiatric nurse/midwife, mother of 
two, was one of the first people to undertake the Primal Process in Australia. 
She was the Nursing Co-ordinator of a busy health centre and previously a Nurse 
Counsellor at the Melbourne Clinic. She has run groups and workshops covering 
subjects such as Childbirth & Parenting and Sexual Abuse Support for 
over twenty years. She is interested in helping people who have been victimised 
to reclaim their power and control of their lives. She also trained with Dr 
Graham Farrant.
 
Regards
Shivam Rachana
 
 

Re: Guthrie's at the breast

[Janet Ireland]

Title: Re: Guthrie's at the breast



As with most things its important to adapt to 
situation. No rules rather  chioces, suggestions and informed decisions however 
the practitioner obviously has preferences. I admit I usually end up putting the 
little foot in a bowl of  hot water and then the mother attaches the 
baby and I prick its heel. wait for it to resettle then get the sample . of 
interest I don't collect samples till babe has full breastmilk stool or I have 
waited till cord or with [ lotus birth placenta] has seperated As to aspirating 
what a silly idea who holds a baby at the breast the baby attaches or comes off. 
Ihave had one poor sample that the RCH said had coffee spilt on it didn't 
happen before the post! lol jan   

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jackie Mawson 
  To: Ozmidwifery List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:28 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Guthrie's at the 
breast
  
  Just wondering if anybody out 
there is aware of any information on performing guthries on the babies 
whilst they are at the breast.It is the best way, as far as Mother and child are 
  concerned. As far as I know, babies are very unlikely to aspirate when 
  they are newborn. It is only when they get older and start talking that 
  aspiration becomes more of a problem – Chimpanzees, gorilla’s, etc, never 
  choke (even as infants) but they also never talk. The tendency for humans to 
  choke has something to do with the ability we have to talk (larger larynx?) 
  and we have a protective mechanism when very small to help avoid this 
  happening – that’s why small children have tiny, high pitched voices, that 
  develop as they grow.Anyway, I don’t think aspiration is an issue. And 
  doing Guthrie's while breastfeeding is just so much less traumatic for mother 
  and baby (I know, I insisted on it for my 3rd child – the other 2 I didn’t 
  know about it).Birthing Beautifully,Jackie Mawson.Convenor 
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campaign

[Greg & Barb Cook]

I took Liz's motion to the local ALP branch meeting last 
night and it is to be passed to State QLD, Federal, Health & shadow 
health ministers, attorney generals ( branch suggestion), local pollies and as a 
motion to the Oct QLD ALP women's conference. This will start the ball rolling 
from my local area.
We need a standard background to this motion to attach when 
they are sent to these places? A background will explain the motion more 
eloquently and if it is the same it will be consistent. We should be seen to be 
organised and consistent.
 
We have a local issue as well which I used last night in the 
debate.
I work at the local maternity hospital just north of Brisbane 
about 40km away. We used to have 4 private OB's on the peninsula. Two have now 
stopped private obstetrics, leaving this to very aging obstetricians due to 
increased PI costs being a concern so I heard ( :- ). This has reduced women's 
access to private obstetric care but wait there is more!  The local Private 
hospital has closed its maternity section.
At a time when federal health policies have pushed families to 
private cover many women are now finding that now they are pregnant the closest 
private maternity unit is approx. 40km south-east or to 
Lynne's to the north (approx 90km away. Some choice if they chose private care! 
If they could access midwives as primary care givers that will provide them with 
another alternative!
 
The debate was brisk and people were amazed. The support was 
strong. One experienced person (anti-nuke protester against a proposed local 
irradiation plant) asked why I couldn't go to the local media. I had to explain 
"Code of conduct" guidelines for public sector employees prevented me from doing 
so. Several people have now offered to write letters to pollies, editors and 
anything else needed. I felt pleased that the response was so 
positive.
 
Cheers Barb