Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Andrea Quanchi]

Exactly Gloria, that was my point, the ageing effect it has on 
midwives.  Sometimes after these incidents when you cant sleep I find 
talking about it to listeners out there helps. Not that you really want 
an answer it just gets it off my ample chest and then I can let it go.

Andrea
On 17/07/2005, at 5:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I sure can relate, Andrea.  I have three tricks for getting a nice big
shoulder moving rush of hormones. 1 get the woman to take a big drink 
of water
through a bendy straw (this has the same effect as giving your parched 
house
plants a nice quaff of water) 2. have her lover stimulate her nipples 
and 3.

work on her uterine points on her ankles (reflexology).

The babies seem to withstand those purple head waiting periods quite 
well but

it produces premature aging for the birth attendants.
Gloria

 Quoting Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed
the head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a
very patient person at this time but have had one particular one where
the baby was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my
adrenalin levels rise (more than usual).

Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at
lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very
effective one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but
not move forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont
think it got the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a
fulcrom to pivot on.  I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be
till the next contraction but with encourgaement Mum was able to move 
a
bit and use enough effort to get her out.  Of course she cried 
straight

away but I feel like I have another grey hair.

Question: 	how long is the longest people have had to wait for the 
next

contraction at this stage?

Andrea Q

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[ozmidwifery] BBC3DesperateMidwives

[Denise Hynd]

See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/desperate_midwives/index.shtml
Denise Hynd

"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by 
anyone, our bodies will be handled."


- Linda Hes

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ?National Education program


I have just returned from the UK, where they are showing a program called 
"Desperate Midwives" every week on BBC3. This program follows a group of 6 
midwives from Derby City Hospital who go about their daily tasks, either in 
the hospital, the home, community or birth centre.


Due to my travels, I was never able to see it, as being on BBC 3 it 
required a set top box,and none of the hotels I was staying in had pay TV. 
However, it has been very well received and is very supportive of 
midwifery.


The midwives were a bit upset at the title, which was chosen to cash in on 
the other "Desperate" series, and the BBC have explained that they see it 
as midwives doing a stirling job despite desperate shortages, and 
sometimes desperate conditions.


Perhaps this would be a good starting point for talking to a TV network in 
Australia? It works in the UK, would be relatively cheap to produce, as no 
sets or scripts etc and fits the current fad for "reality television". If 
they chose a group of midwives that worked in a hospital where various 
alternative models of care were provided, that would enable a wide variety 
of pregnancies to be followed. The UK series showed care of women with all 
sorts of pregnancies and births, even terminations, post natal issues, 
water births, home births, twins, premature babies, NICUs etc.


I hope it is still on when I get there in October. Even recording it 
requires special equipment as it can't be saved onto regular tape.


Just a thought.

Andrea



At 01:15 PM 15/07/2005, you wrote:

Fantastic idea, a National Educational Television Programme.
ABC perhaps?
Who has a contact person there ?
Individual, specialised service is a big issue right now for the 30 
something's.
IOL, Choices in Birthing etc are areas where women are treated enmasse, in 
2005 women want to be treated as individuals. They will listen if it's 
explained to them that they are being treated for someone elses 
convenience, not necessarily for their own or their babys benefit.


Brenda

Brenda
- Original Message -
From: Robyn Thompson
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...

This doesn't sound like the Brian Pete I know!!!

Someone needs to sit down and talk to him.  If this is true then he needs
face to face consultation with women and midwives, expressing their 
concern

about unnecessary intervention; women and midwife friendly media needs to
know and most of all women need to be educated and informed about the 
risks
of induction of labour.  Maybe we can get to a broad audience by setting 
up

a National Educational Television Programme?

Robyn


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Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:28 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...

  What the??

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  To: 
<ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>

  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:21 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Channel 7 induction story...


  >
  > How misleading a promo can be...
  >
  > A news story saying that Brian Peat, chief Ob at the Women's and
Children's
  > hospital is considering recommending that all women be induced at 39
weeks,
  > given the evidence that babies over 39 weeks gestation are at high 
risk

of
  > death and disability.
  >
  > Oh dear...
  >
  > Tania
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought

[Tania Smallwood]

Wow, thanks for that!  Both my babies have done exactly this, and the more
waterbirths I see, the more this stopping and resting at the hips becomes
evident to me.  My colleague and I have never felt the need to pull the baby
out, they come soon after that big stretch, and then mum can pick the baby
up out of the water.  

Thanks for the link to the conference too Lieve, won't be able to make it
unfortunately, between the ICM this year, and a family trip next year...next
time!

Tania
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Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 6:09 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought

Look at http://www.midwiferytoday.com/international/germany.asp for
Cornelia Enning, she also is a regular speaker at the conferences of
Midwifery Today. Maybe a good idea to meet each other in Germany in oct
2006 :-)http://www.midwiferytoday.com/conferences/Germany2006/

Groetjes
Lieve


Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens G Lemay
Verzonden: zondag 17 juli 2005 20:36
Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought


> The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the 
> hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to 
> birth the buttocks and legs.  Anyone else see this much?

Hi Tania
This opening of the arms and baby flinging back the head is a subject 
that has received study by Cornelia Enning, the waterbirth mw from 
Germany.  She's a regular speaker at Waterbirth International 
conferences and her view is that one should wait for that 'sign' to 
gently lift the baby out of the water.  I think she might have a website

if you do a google search of her name.
Gloria


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought

[Lieve Huybrechts]

Look at http://www.midwiferytoday.com/international/germany.asp for
Cornelia Enning, she also is a regular speaker at the conferences of
Midwifery Today. Maybe a good idea to meet each other in Germany in oct
2006 :-)http://www.midwiferytoday.com/conferences/Germany2006/

Groetjes
Lieve


Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


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Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought


> The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the 
> hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to 
> birth the buttocks and legs.  Anyone else see this much?

Hi Tania
This opening of the arms and baby flinging back the head is a subject 
that has received study by Cornelia Enning, the waterbirth mw from 
Germany.  She's a regular speaker at Waterbirth International 
conferences and her view is that one should wait for that 'sign' to 
gently lift the baby out of the water.  I think she might have a website

if you do a google search of her name.
Gloria


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[ozmidwifery] Re: just a thought

[G Lemay]

The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the
hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to 
birth
the buttocks and legs.  Anyone else see this much? 


Hi Tania
This opening of the arms and baby flinging back the head is a subject 
that has received study by Cornelia Enning, the waterbirth mw from 
Germany.  She's a regular speaker at Waterbirth International 
conferences and her view is that one should wait for that 'sign' to 
gently lift the baby out of the water.  I think she might have a website 
if you do a google search of her name.

Gloria


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Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Denise Hynd]

Dear Helen
I was physically and verbally abused by staff in a NSW labour ward when a 
baby was not born on the next contraction after the head.


It matter not what I said about there being no signs of shoulder dystocia
The woman was also physically abused in that she was turned over and had a 
macRoberts manouvre done and the baby pulled out pink and Apgars 8,9.


No staff supported me nor would that discuss any thing else as valid but it 
is a sign of Mild Shoulder Dystocia which is to be mark on the Birth 
Noticifation forms.


It was the beginning of the end for me working hospital!!

Denise Hynd

"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by 
anyone, our bodies will be handled."


- Linda Hes

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From: "Helen and Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought


This has reminded me of a very stressful incident I had a couple of years 
ago.  I was relieving in a busy horrible birth suite and had a woman in 
2nd stage with mec. liquor.  The head was born and then nothing - no 
contractions for about 4 minutes.  Finally a contraction came but the 
woman's pushing wasn't making any progress with getting the shoulders out. 
The "senior" midwife absolutely panicked me and said, hurry up and get 
this baby out - you only have 5 minutes.  She took over and yelled at the 
woman to push as hard as she could anyway, despite the contraction 
petering out. She managed to get the baby out with these efforts and 
without waiting for another contraction.I was absolutely demoralised 
and lost a lot of confidence in my own ability after that.  I hadn't felt 
like it was THAT long and can remember times in the past when it has taken 
a couple of contractions after the head was born for the shoulders to come 
out with no ill effects to the baby  As long the foetal heart was OK - we 
waited for the next contraction.   There had been no other signs of foetal 
distress i.e. heart beat was perfect throughout labour.   (The baby 
required some oxygen but was quick to recover).   I also felt as though I 
had failed the mother. We had built up a really good rapport throughout 
the labour which was an achievement as when I first arrived she seemed 
very anxious and defensive. By the time the baby was born she was a mental 
wreck.


It might be worth researching this topic on the Cochrane Library website.

Also looking forward to hearing stories from the rest of the list.

Helen

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From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] just a thought


just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed 
the head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a very 
patient person at this time but have had one particular one where the 
baby was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my 
adrenalin levels rise (more than usual).


   Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at 
lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very effective 
one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but not move 
forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont think it got 
the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a fulcrom to pivot 
on. I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be till the next 
contraction but with encourgaement Mum was able to move a bit and use 
enough effort to get her out.  Of course she cried straight away but I 
feel like I have another grey hair.


Question: how long is the longest people have had to wait for the next 
contraction at this stage?


Andrea Q

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Re: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?

[Abby and Toby]

Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?
Hi all,Does anyone know of a doula in this 
area?
 
Here is Bonny's details Janet. They are posted 
on a public site so I am sure she wouldn't mind me posting them 
here.
 
Bonny Davies (Maternity and Birth 
Support)north-west sydney region: Hawkesbury Region 
(Windsor)  ph: (02) 0414 457 293
 
Love Abby

RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?

[abby_toby]

>>I'm not aware of any other doula's
> specifically in that area. You can email me off list if you wish.
 Cheers Jo Hunter
> 

Hi Jo, Janet and everyone else,

There is a lovely doula in the Hawkesbury area called Bonnie. I met her just 
the other day. I'll try and find her details.

Love Abby
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[ozmidwifery] Re: Postnatal Distress Handout

[Ursula and Henk]

HI Jo
Thank you for your help.  I hope someone 
remembers them.  It was a great handout and the only copy i had is 
gone. 
Ursula

  From: 
  Dean 
  & Jo 
  Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:53 
  AM
  I will ring Women’s 
  Health Statewide and ask if they have details.  The people listed on the back are no 
  known to me currently but I have only been in Adealide since 1998 so one of the ‘locals’ might know 
  them.  I will hunt 
  around!
  
  Cheers
  Jo Bainbridge 
  CD
  CARES SAMaternity 
  Coalition
  Bloomin Good 
  Birth
   

Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[lisa chalmers]

Oh Tania, your post bought tears to my eyes.
My 3rd babe was a water birth..as were my others. I had a very private 
labour, no VE"s etc. When the moment of bith came..(a feeling of great 
physical relief with my first 2 girls.. after the head, you understand) This 
little one, her head with the first contraction, shoulders,  torso..then 
nothingseemed like HOURS to me.it was horrendous, I could feel her 
wriggling and kicking, then when the next contraction finally arrived, she 
shot out. When I finally found her in the water, she had a red ring around 
her waist, a bit like a belt, where she had "hung around" half in half out.

I have great births, but those minutes, where the longest of my life...
Lisax

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From: "Tania Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] just a thought


This has got me thinking...my first son was born in water, and his head 
was

born 7 minutes before the rest of his body followed.  We have excellent
video of his birth, it was broad daylight, and his colour was great for 
the
whole time.  I'm not sure if my midwife was worried at the time, if she 
was,

she sure didn't show it!  Admittedly he was a bit of a tight fit, at 4.5
kgs, but I'm so glad she didn't try and force him out sooner, or those 
very

broad shoulders just might have become wedged, knowing what I do now...

I've since been at lots of water births, and seeing a baby's head, pink or
purple doesn't worry me too much, it's the white ones that scare me.
Thankfully only one of those so far...but it's not uncommon I think for
there to be that break when the head is born.  Is this something that is
more specific to birth in water does everyone think?  I too remember like
Sally, thinking, ahhh, that was hard work, The land births I've been at 
have

all been much more of a fluid motion, baby crowns and rest of body follows
more quickly.

The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the
hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to birth
the buttocks and legs.  Anyone else see this much?

Sorry for the ramblings, just got me thinking about all that stuff...

Tania
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching techniques

[Lindsay & Yvette]

These are great!  I've had some of these 
things said to me by midwives.
Yvette
mother of 3, pregnant with twins
Melbourne, Australia

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gloria Lemay 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour 
  coaching techniques
  
  "It's safe to let go"
  "You only have to do this one"
  "Breathe right down into it, it's safe to go 
  there"
  "Breathe oxygen down to your thighs, that's it. . 
  . breathe in oxygen and breathe out with loose lips."
  "What you're doing is ancient. . . your mother, 
  your grandmother and your great grandmothers all the way back have done 
  this.  They're all proud of you tonight."
  "If you're doing this well now, I know you'll 
  make it through.  Each sensation brings you closer to holding your baby 
  in your arms".
  "I'm so proud of you. You're doing 
  beautifully".  
  "Let's begin this birth anew.  Just let your 
  breath wash away the past 5 hours and lets begin now at the 
  beginning."
  "Breathe some good oxygen breaths for your 
  baby."
  "There's lots of room for the baby to come 
  through".
  "You're stretching beautifully. .  there's 
  more space than you know"
  "Just let the baby get itself born, you get out 
  of the way"
   
  Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC Canada
  
 

RE: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Tania Smallwood]

This has got me thinking...my first son was born in water, and his head was
born 7 minutes before the rest of his body followed.  We have excellent
video of his birth, it was broad daylight, and his colour was great for the
whole time.  I'm not sure if my midwife was worried at the time, if she was,
she sure didn't show it!  Admittedly he was a bit of a tight fit, at 4.5
kgs, but I'm so glad she didn't try and force him out sooner, or those very
broad shoulders just might have become wedged, knowing what I do now...

I've since been at lots of water births, and seeing a baby's head, pink or
purple doesn't worry me too much, it's the white ones that scare me.
Thankfully only one of those so far...but it's not uncommon I think for
there to be that break when the head is born.  Is this something that is
more specific to birth in water does everyone think?  I too remember like
Sally, thinking, ahhh, that was hard work, The land births I've been at have
all been much more of a fluid motion, baby crowns and rest of body follows
more quickly.

The other thing I've seen a lot in water is the baby stopping at the
hips,having a big moro reflex under the water and then continuing to birth
the buttocks and legs.  Anyone else see this much?

Sorry for the ramblings, just got me thinking about all that stuff...

Tania
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RE: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Lieve Huybrechts]

I think it has to be stand of the moon :-))
I also had this week a similar situation, I helped the shoulders a
little bit because there was a loose cord around the neck that I
switched over the head, but the cord was pranged between the baby and
the pelvis. There was no heartbeat to feel in the cord and I decided to
help the baby out. It was not a matter of a large baby or some
shoulderdystocia, just no more contraction.
I think that when the cord is still in and not around the neck, you
could safely wait. 
But to say, my head around is all white hairs :-)))

Lieve

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Just this week I had a primip who only had 5-7 minutely contractions for
the last hours before her baby was born. After the baby was born we
waited 7 minutes for the next contraction with which the baby was born.
It was a long long long long 7 minutes. I was tempted to do something!!
Then she pushed the baby was born. The baby breathed beautiful. I
breathed again!

It reminded me so much of the birth of my second child. I remember the
midwife calmly telling me.. one more push and your baby will be born and
me thinking... that feels so much better.. I'm not in a hurry. I'm sure
that I gave my poor midwife a few grey hair that day 13 years ago!!

Love Sally Westbury


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Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Helen and Graham]

This has reminded me of a very stressful incident I had a couple of years 
ago.  I was relieving in a busy horrible birth suite and had a woman in 2nd 
stage with mec. liquor.  The head was born and then nothing - no 
contractions for about 4 minutes.  Finally a contraction came but the 
woman's pushing wasn't making any progress with getting the shoulders out. 
The "senior" midwife absolutely panicked me and said, hurry up and get this 
baby out - you only have 5 minutes.  She took over and yelled at the woman 
to push as hard as she could anyway, despite the contraction petering out. 
She managed to get the baby out with these efforts and without waiting for 
another contraction.I was absolutely demoralised and lost a lot of 
confidence in my own ability after that.  I hadn't felt like it was THAT 
long and can remember times in the past when it has taken a couple of 
contractions after the head was born for the shoulders to come out with no 
ill effects to the baby  As long the foetal heart was OK - we waited for the 
next contraction.   There had been no other signs of foetal distress i.e. 
heart beat was perfect throughout labour.   (The baby required some oxygen 
but was quick to recover).   I also felt as though I had failed the mother. 
We had built up a really good rapport throughout the labour which was an 
achievement as when I first arrived she seemed very anxious and defensive. 
By the time the baby was born she was a mental wreck.


It might be worth researching this topic on the Cochrane Library website.

Also looking forward to hearing stories from the rest of the list.

Helen

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "ozmidwifery" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] just a thought


just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed the 
head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a very 
patient person at this time but have had one particular one where the baby 
was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my adrenalin 
levels rise (more than usual).


   Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at 
lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very effective 
one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but not move 
forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont think it got 
the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a fulcrom to pivot on. 
I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be till the next contraction 
but with encourgaement Mum was able to move a bit and use enough effort to 
get her out.  Of course she cried straight away but I feel like I have 
another grey hair.


Question: how long is the longest people have had to wait for the next 
contraction at this stage?


Andrea Q

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RE: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Sally Westbury]

Just this week I had a primip who only had 5-7 minutely contractions for
the last hours before her baby was born. After the baby was born we
waited 7 minutes for the next contraction with which the baby was born.
It was a long long long long 7 minutes. I was tempted to do something!!
Then she pushed the baby was born. The baby breathed beautiful. I
breathed again!

It reminded me so much of the birth of my second child. I remember the
midwife calmly telling me.. one more push and your baby will be born and
me thinking... that feels so much better.. I'm not in a hurry. I'm sure
that I gave my poor midwife a few grey hair that day 13 years ago!!

Love Sally Westbury


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Re: [ozmidwifery] just a thought

[birth]

I sure can relate, Andrea.  I have three tricks for getting a nice big 
shoulder moving rush of hormones. 1 get the woman to take a big drink of water 
through a bendy straw (this has the same effect as giving your parched house 
plants a nice quaff of water) 2. have her lover stimulate her nipples and 3. 
work on her uterine points on her ankles (reflexology). 

The babies seem to withstand those purple head waiting periods quite well but 
it produces premature aging for the birth attendants.
Gloria

 Quoting Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed 
> the head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a 
> very patient person at this time but have had one particular one where 
> the baby was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my 
> adrenalin levels rise (more than usual).
> 
> Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at 
> lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very 
> effective one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but 
> not move forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont 
> think it got the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a 
> fulcrom to pivot on.  I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be 
> till the next contraction but with encourgaement Mum was able to move a 
> bit and use enough effort to get her out.  Of course she cried straight 
> away but I feel like I have another grey hair.
> 
> Question: how long is the longest people have had to wait for the next 
> contraction at this stage?
> 
> Andrea Q
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[ozmidwifery] just a thought

[Andrea Quanchi]

just recently I have been with several women at birth who have birthed 
the head and then the contractions have gone walk about. Now I am a 
very patient person at this time but have had one particular one where 
the baby was that lovely shade of navy that they go that even made my 
adrenalin levels rise (more than usual).


   Last night the baby maintained a good colour but after waiting at 
lesast five minutes for the next contraction it was not a very 
effective one and the baby decided to do a little dance and squirm but 
not move forward. The shoulders definately were not stuck I just dont 
think it got the anterior shoulder onto the pubic bone to act as a 
fulcrom to pivot on.  I was a bit sceptical about how long it might be 
till the next contraction but with encourgaement Mum was able to move a 
bit and use enough effort to get her out.  Of course she cried straight 
away but I feel like I have another grey hair.


Question: 	how long is the longest people have had to wait for the next 
contraction at this stage?


Andrea Q

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching techniques

[Gloria Lemay]

"It's safe to let go"
"You only have to do this one"
"Breathe right down into it, it's safe to go 
there"
"Breathe oxygen down to your thighs, that's it. . . 
breathe in oxygen and breathe out with loose lips."
"What you're doing is ancient. . . your mother, 
your grandmother and your great grandmothers all the way back have done 
this.  They're all proud of you tonight."
"If you're doing this well now, I know you'll make 
it through.  Each sensation brings you closer to holding your baby in your 
arms".
"I'm so proud of you. You're doing 
beautifully".  
"Let's begin this birth anew.  Just let your 
breath wash away the past 5 hours and lets begin now at the 
beginning."
"Breathe some good oxygen breaths for your 
baby."
"There's lots of room for the baby to come 
through".
"You're stretching beautifully. .  there's 
more space than you know"
"Just let the baby get itself born, you get out of 
the way"
 
Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC Canada

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 
  To: ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:54 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching 
  techniques
  
  
  Hi Lynette and others,
   
  Thanks for your response and support, you have 
  given me food for thought.  I am actually aware that it is more 
  useful to keep quiet a lot of the time and feel that I am quite intuitive in 
  this regard.  I am also aware that my job isn't to be "in charge" of the 
  situation and do prefer to just keep in the background most of the time 
  quietly monitoring the situation.  I find this approach encourages the 
  partner/support person to become more involved and gives them greater 
  satisfaction with/control over their birthing experience. It is just 
  good to have some inspirational phrases up your sleeve to use as appropriate 
  for the right woman at the right time and I have, over the 
  years, heard a few and developed a few of my own, which I have thought were 
  just that, but as I have been out of mid for some time and I value the 
  opinions of those on this list, I thought it would be a good opportunity to 
  ask.
   
  Thanks again
   
  Helen Cahill
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Lynette 
Kelson 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:30 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Labour coaching 
techniques

Hi Helen, 
Sorry to respond off list but I find it takes 
up so much time if I stay online for the list to sort all the messages. I 
just wanted to say to you about the power of rhythmic sound in labour as a 
support tool, such as drumming. I have experienced the feeling "corny" 
aspect of lines in labour room support care. I also agree with one of the 
other responses about the less we say the better, and protect the 
environment instead. 
Drumming and rhythmic sound is something that 
you do need a bit of antenatal time to introduce as some people will think 
you are mad. A gentle constant drum beat can be useful as you can increase 
the tempo and the volume with the rise and fall of contractions. The primal 
mood of drums aids the primitive mind function and reduces the verbal 
interactions that stimulate frontal brain activity. Also very good for 
support people to do something. ( I am speaking only from anecdote 
here. None of this has any research base but I like to think this is how it 
works).
Just a thought form a left field midwifery 
practitioner. Good luck in re-integrating into the care of women in moments 
when miracles happen.
Regards
Lyn
MIPP
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RE: [ozmidwifery] doula in the Hawkesbury?

[jo]

Hi Janet,

 

I’m a doula in the Blue Mtns and I
do cover the Hawkesbury region depending on where in the Hawkesbury she is. I’m
not aware of any other doula’s specifically in that area. You can email
me off list if you wish.

 

Cheers

Jo Hunter

Innate Birth

HBA Coordinator

HAS Coordinator

 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 3:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au;
Dean & Jo
Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula in
the Hawkesbury?



 



Hi all,





Does anyone know
of a doula in this area?





Cheers,





J





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