Re: [ozmidwifery] Afterbirth pains
Hi, All, Reminds me of Leslie's comments on Rosie's birth: "Sometimes you were really, really, REALLY loud!" When (years later) I ask if it scared him at the time: "No, but I had to put my hands over my ears." At no time was he upset during my labour and Rosie's birth. He says enjoyed the experience -- and photos show that. Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Afterbirth pains With the children, I say things like isnt your mum clevershe knows the right noises to help a baby out this short circuits a whole conversation about pain.. the noise seems the most confusing for children in a society where we are very restrained with sound and this gives them a simple and powerful answer to their questions/confusion about the strange noise that their mum makes. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "In any society, the way a woman gives birth and the kind of care given to her and the baby, points as sharply as an arrowhead to the key values of the culture. ~Sheila Kitzinger-Women as Mothers --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03
[ozmidwifery] TTFN!
I'm saying Tet Ta For Now, as I'm not getting the boxes packed to move house. Love to you all, I'll be back when I've moved. If you want to get in touch off the list for anything pertinent to me in Adelaide, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] though I'll probably be off line for a few days. My phone number is (08) 8333 2762, though that will change too! Love to all, Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] SA's stats are OUT!!!!!! AARGH!
Have just forwarded this to my local State MP, Ms Vini Cicarello. Aviva - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] SA's stats are OUT!! AARGH! Very important to talk to a politician about it and the press. Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carolyn DonagheySent: Friday, 21 February 2003 2:46 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jo BainbridgeSubject: [ozmidwifery] SA's stats are OUT!! AARGH! I thought this might be of interest to our wonderful birthing community. I have just received the Pregnancy Outcome in SA 2001 statistics, and they are not pretty. I was sure that the caesarean rate would increase, but have to say am shocked at the true statistics. The website to see the reports is www.dhs.sa.gov.au/pehs/pregnancyoutcome.htmHere are a few quick facts:Total births 17704 Caesarean Section 27.8%(elective 11.9% emergency 15.8%)Induction 28.3%CS in private hospitals over 500 births p.a. 37.9%Spontaneous vaginal births 59.5%I am unsure, does this still make us the knife happy capital of AustraliaWith regretCarolyn Donaghey-HarrisCARES SA Incwww.cares-sa.org.au --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Colitis
Thank you, Jason, this is most informative! And to think, I was going to go off the list till I've moved house! Now I'll have to stay on. Aviva - Original Message - From: Jason Hawrelak To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Colitis Hello Andrea,I'm guessing that by 'colitis' you mean ulcerative colitis, which ischaracterised by episodes of abdominal pain and bloody diarrhoea. I'm anaturopath, and I am also doing a PhD in the area of gut health and theintestinal micro-ecology, so I know a fair bit about ulcerative colitis andits management with natural medicine. During the acute stage of the condition (which it sounds like she is in)one would usually put the client on a elemental or hypoallergenic diet. Forthis it is best to use a formulation based on rice protein. Try to get onethat has additional vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids (e.g.,RejuvenX from Bioceuticals - can be contacted on 1-300-650-455 - 3-4serves/day will keep the protein level up to what is needed). At this sametime I would suggest clear vegetable broths, and more importantly freshfruit veggie juices (at least 4 glasses daily). These are veryantioxidant rich and will help 'calm' the inflammation. I would especiallyrecommend fresh wheat grass juice, as a recent trial found it excellent inalleviating ulcerative colitis symptoms (try to give 100 ml/day) - it workswell combined with carrot and apple. Normally, this is all that would beeaten until the diarrhoea and pain stop. Ulcerative colitis (UC) is often considered to be caused by an imbalance ofintestinal bacteria, so probiotics are potentially useful. Unfortunately,most probiotic supplements on the market are very poor, and what isgenerally not well known is that each supplement will contain a specificbacterial strain with a limited range of therapeutic actions. Not all'acidophilus' is the same, just like not all breeds of dogs are the same.All dogs are the same species, but as we know German Shepards are verydifferent from chihuahuas. This same principle is at work in the probioticfield, in that the different strains of 'acidophilus' are like thedifferent breeds of dogs - they are all the same species but some areGerman Shepards and others chihuahuas. You just need to know which one iswhich - unfortunately very few naturopaths, GP's or consumers know this.There is one probiotic product that has been clinically trialed and proveneffective in ulcerative colitis. The product is called VSL#3 and it isavailable mail-order or over the internet from Orphan Australia(www.orphan.com.au or 1-300-656-755). It is more expensive than otherprobiotic supplements, but it has been proven to work in UC and no otherscurrently available on the Australian market have. So I would certainlyrecommend taking this with the juice, broth and protein powder combination.To this I would also add slippery elm (1 heaped tsp 4x/d) - blended withapple juice for easier compliance. I understand that the loss of caloricintake on this dietary regime would be a concern in pregancy, but theenergy defecit shouldn't be too great if the regime is follwed for 7-14days, by which time the UC should have truly settled down. And her currentdiarrhoea and intestinal inflammation is already severely hampering herabsorption of nutrients.Once the UC has settled down, I would recommend that the client keep takingthe VSl#3 and slippery elm (you could halve the dosage of both at thispoint). Juices should still be consumed daily, but 1-2 glasses per dayshould suffice (but keep the wheat grass up). At this point, a fibre andanti-oxidant rich diet is essential. So lots of fruit (especially berries),vegetables, whole-grain products, nuts and seeds (preferably freshlyground) should be consumed. Brown rice, barley and oats would be especiallygood. Avoid eggs, potatoes, wheat-products and all junk food as these arecommon exacerbating factors. If she can get traditionally-made sauerkrautthis would be excellent as it contains more health-giving bacteria thatyoghurt, as well as anti-oxidants and healing factors for the gut. To improve her essential fatty acid balance, recommend oily fishconsumption at least 4x/week (e.g., sardines, salmon, herring, ocean trout,mackerel, mullet, tailor, and sweep) and ground flaxseeds/flaxseed oildaily. Alternatively fish oil capsules can be used but the dosage needs tobe 6-10 capsules per day, so it can be expensive taking this route.Additional research has shown that psyllium seeds (not the husks) at adosage of 10g twice daily is as effective in keeping UC in remission aspharmaceutical drugs, so I would definately add this to the treatmentprotocol (if you can't locate psyllium seeds, the next best option isbarley bran - 2 Tab twice daily). Implementation of these measures shouldnot only improve her UC but will also improve the overall health status ofthe impending mum and her
Re: [ozmidwifery] Colitis
Bowen Technique. Is bleeding from haemorrhoids? Is she overdoing the exercise? Would Kaomagma be OK if she's havinga lot of diarrhoea? Aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Colitis Can anyone help me with a problem for one of my clients: 28 weeks, 1st baby, suffering from colitis and getting worse - main symptom seems to be rectal bleeding, which she says happens 3 times a day. Otherwise very fit (yoga, gym, power walks daily) and healthy (very diet conscious). >From what I have read, there is not much she can do - drugs are contraindicated and the pregnancy hormones are probably exacerbating the condition, which will improve once the baby arrives. Any suggestions most welcome!Many thanks,Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info required.
Why doesn't she DIVORCE THE SILLY BASTARD! HE wanted the epidural! Whose birth was/is it anyway? At the very least, maybe she could read some of our emails and learn a lot, so could he. There has to be a class in Sydney -- no? Aviva - Original Message - From: Jim O'Neill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info required. Dear all, I am seeking info on where a woman having her second baby might go for classes ( or other )from a friend of mine.Traumatic first delivery ...IOL for post dates with Prostin and good labour following. As the story goes the husband who is quite dominant became tired of back rubbing and said he wanted an epidural. Anaesthetist arrives to which she says she did not want one, he declines to discuss the procedure with her till she says she will haveone. Pressure from husband and possibly the midwife ( embarrassed to have calledthe anaesthetist), the woman acquiesces...labour stops..forceps delivery, large episwhich later breaks down. They are going to the same Obs and plan on birthing at the Sands in Sydney againI know, I know I can hear you already but my friend is not sure she can budge this decision herself as her opinion might be construed as biased. Therefore the option to attend a good active birth class or discussion group would be good. Anticipating your wonderful replies. Katy. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alice's continued stories
You ought to meet her! - Original Message - From: Mrs joanne m fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Alice's continued stories Dear Aviva, Thanks for posting Alice's continued stories, I love reading them. She writes so well. Cheers, Joanne. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Colitis
in addition, has she been exposed to farming or other chemicals (says she from experience, Agent Orange) aviva - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Colitis Hi AndreaI need some clarification on what you mean by colitis.Do you mean wind bowel pain?Then I'd suggest reducing "windy" foods in her diet.Perhaps using chamomile tea and peppermint tea and other windy helpfulthings like a warm bath, gentle abdominal massage etc.Or is it bowel irritation?Could she have an intolerance/allergy to wheat?I think the celiac society has a website.Or could the bleeding be from piles?Especially if she has varicose veins evident on her legs.If it's none of the above but she's bleeding, I'd be concerned.Could there be a blood clotting problem?hug Julie ClarkeChildbirth and Parenting EducatorTransition into Parenthood9 Withybrook PlSylvania NSW 2224T. (02) 9544 6441F (02) 9544 9257M. 0401 265 530email [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of AndreaRobertsonSent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 4:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] ColitisCan anyone help me with a problem for one of my clients: 28 weeks, 1st baby, suffering from colitis and getting worse - main symptom seems tobe rectal bleeding, which she says happens 3 times a day. Otherwise veryfit (yoga, gym, power walks daily) and healthy (very diet conscious). Fromwhat I have read, there is not much she can do - drugs are contraindicatedand the pregnancy hormones are probably exacerbating the condition, whichwill improve once the baby arrives. Any suggestions most welcome!Many thanks,Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info required.
Ah, Julie, I'm so glad there are people like you to balance out the people like me! love, aviva - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Info required. Instead of divorcing him, why not see the need for growth within her relationship. hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aviva Sheb'aSent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 11:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Info required. Why doesn't she DIVORCE THE SILLY BASTARD! HE wanted the epidural! Whose birth was/is it anyway? At the very least, maybe she could read some of our emails and learn a lot, so could he. There has to be a class in Sydney -- no? Aviva - Original Message - From: Jim O'Neill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info required. Dear all, I am seeking info on where a woman having her second baby might go for classes ( or other )from a friend of mine.Traumatic first delivery ...IOL for post dates with Prostin and good labour following. As the story goes the husband who is quite dominant became tired of back rubbing and said he wanted an epidural. Anaesthetist arrives to which she says she did not want one, he declines to discuss the procedure with her till she says she will haveone. Pressure from husband and possibly the midwife ( embarrassed to have calledthe anaesthetist), the woman acquiesces...labour stops..forceps delivery, large episwhich later breaks down. They are going to the same Obs and plan on birthing at the Sands in Sydney againI know, I know I can hear you already but my friend is not sure she can budge this decision herself as her opinion might be construed as biased. Therefore the option to attend a good active birth class or discussion group would be good. Anticipating your wonderful replies. Katy. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] first-time
Indeed! aviva - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] first-time Just some interesting reading on a medical web site and found this Abstract: If the practitioner is a certified nurse-midwife who stays with the mother throughout labor, the chances of a first-time mother having a cesarean birth because of epidural analgesia are much lower than if the practitioner is an obstetrician.(6) reference: 6. CNM Data Group, 1996. Midwifery management of pain in labor. J Nurs-Midw 1998; 43:77-82. This begs the question: "why do obstetricians have the control in our hospitals?" Makes me angry, darren --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
[ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy
Alice's latest. love to all, amoeba - Original Message - From: alice ! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: howdy Hi Aviva, I've got my bloody period again already! I'm pretty sure it is anyway.familiar feeling.what a bummer! Oh well probably has something to do with luna sleeping all night so my hormone levels change or whatever. Did you go to the peace march yesterday? So many people! I've never seen a crowd like that in Adelaide. On the way in we had to do a nappy change on the bus, just a wet one so a quick swap over. We were near the front of a full bus so had lots of spectators. Changing a nappy on a bus - how uncivilised! Although i think most people found it amusing. Then for the rest of the journey i was facing the back of the bus with Luna on my lap and she was smiling at everyone and everyone was smiling at her through the gaps between each other, was so beautiful to see everyone so happy on a bus. On the way home we had to change the nappy again! This time it was a poo which was leaking out, so it wasa bit trickier, but luckily it was a fairly empty bus so we managed ok. A real team effort with Jonathan and I, luckily she didn't decide to wee while nappy was off because we just did it on my lap. I've finished reading Pinky's book, it's wonderful! Spot on and also humorous, was a pleasure to read, thanks, Alice xxx Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Fistula
Yes, spot on, thank you! - Original Message - From: Rachel Smith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Fistula Aviva,This women was probably Catherine Hanlon, who set up a fistula hospital in Ethiopia. She has written a book called "Hospital by the River. I think you would enjoy it. RachelAt 08:46 AM 17/02/2003 +1030, you wrote: Dear Edwina and All,Some time ago, I heard an eye/mind-opening interview by Margaret Throsby (ABC FM 10:05 a.m. -- I love her interviews) -- back to the point, Aviva! -- with a woman, whose name I don't recall, who has been saving women in Africa for many, many years. She told of how, often as teenagers, they've given birth and have developed fistulae -- a hole between the rectum and vagina -- and have been lying down FOR YEARS in little sheds, being cared for by parents, who also care for the children. As faeces leak out of their vaginas, you can imagine the rest. Often they walk for weeks to get to the centre this woman started years ago, and a few weeks later, walk out of there literally new women. I'm so glad you sent this, Edwina. We need to support this cause just as much as they need our support. Could we set up some system of becoming a sponsor??? I'd be happy to contribute. On my income, I would not be able to do it on my own, but if we band together -- what do you think?Aviva- Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:49 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] aspartameDear List,Here is a site that deserves our support (in my opinion). When I firststarted supporting it, it had 6 sponsors now unfortunately there is onlythe one. Please have a look and click on the button everyday that youare online and give a free donation. http://www.matercare.org/lifesaver.htmlThanks so muchEdwina--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.---Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] war
-- with your last lines, Darren, I agree. Nonetheless, I still think this is not the forum for those discussions. Aviva I marched for the sake of my wife and child, because I believe that Australia should never act in an aggressive manner. Attacking someone for what they may do is unacceptable to me, especially if it is not the real motive. darren --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
Jo, that must have been shattering for you. I was too worried about them stopping breathing to not have them with me all the time (call me neurotic if you like!). I still have my king-size, soft-sided, waveless waterbed I bought when I had two littlies co-sleeping with me. Actually, Leslie had his own bed by then, but used come in for snuggles. Rosie was still co-sleeping and was three at the time. Amazing how much ROOM little bodies can take up! We all loved sleeping in the big bed (I still do -- why don't I do more of it!), and as teenagers, they remember it with great fondness. We're all convinced it's one of the reasons we're so loving and close; a wonderfulrelationship to be able to share with your teenagers! Love and hugs, Aviva - Original Message - From: Jo Slamen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions My first baby was having nappy changed in hospital - approx. 3 days old,lying on back and choked on vomit. It wasn't until I was running around tothe nurses station holding him face down along my arm that the vomit startedcoming out of nose and mouth and he was able to begin breathing again.After a traumatic birth and +10% weight loss - this really did my confidencein utterly. As a result was afraid to sleep him on his back for fear ofchoking on vomit, and even #2 baby has side slept pretty much all the time.This event also primed me for co-sleeping as I was afraid to leave him whereI couldn't see him - the whole choking thing was silent.Jo --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Women Against War
I signed as the 150th and sent it to the email address below. It came back undeliverable. I attempted various combinations with same result. Someone's got it wrong, so don't send it on. Both my kids went to the protest in Adelaide yesterday, independently of each other. Unbeknownst to each other, they each ended up on pillars -- one each end of the front of Parliament House! Does that make a family statement, or what! Meantime, I was at the AGM of the Vietnam Veterans' Association of Australia, SA Branch, and heard about 23 year-old war veterans who've been made TPIs (Totally and Permanently Incapacitated). The VVAA is working on creating opportunities for education and other opportunities for these youngsters who were so highly traumatised. I'm finding the whole business extremely stressful, as I've seen war first hand at seventeen, and no matter how much I hated someone, I could never wish war on them -- let alone my loved ones. Aviva. Shalom (Peace) to you all, in all its connotations. - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Women Against War - Original Message - From: Cathy To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Women Against War And so say all of us. cathy h. Dear All,This is Women for Peace at work, a reputable group - please sign this if it grabs you and send it on. It is amazing how much never makes the news!Thanks, Kathy A 25 Congresswomen in the US House of Representatives have walked out --and refused to participate in the vote to give Bush war powers.They were led by Barbara Bell of California and they took up residenceon the White House lawn.They say women can change the world. Here is a chance!A nationwide effort to unite women against war has drafted the statementbelow and asks each of us, if we are so moved, to send it out to as manywomen and women's groups as we can for endorsement.Please cut and paste this message into a new message, sign it with your ownname, and forward it with the petition on to as many people as you know. Ifyou are the 50th, 100th, 150th, 200th, etc., person to sign the petition,please also e-mail a copy back to: pramila@mindspring.PETITIONWomen United Against WarAs women embracing life and peace, we declare ourselves opposed to anymilitary action against Iraq. As women, we have been the victims of many kinds ofviolence. We call on you in Congress to oppose any military action.We make this demand for ourselves, our children, our parents, our brothers,husbands, partners and friends.We make this demand because we understand that warfarecreates endless cycles of violence, destruction and death, impoverishing usspiritually and economically.We make this demand because warfare destroys family life,throwing whole communities into exile and turning children into orphans. We make thisdemand because we cannot build happy lives on a ground polluted by violence. We believe thisis a defining moment in the life of our country. We will either take our place in thefamily of nations as seekers of peace and justice or we will start down a terrible road to war,unleashing the fury of generations to come on our land.We call upon you to act with integrity, to show courage and remember thatyou are guardians of the public trust and of the world we leave to our children.We oppose this war.We oppose all elected officials who support this war. There is no other issue greaterthan the cause of peace.No past stand or history can be called upon to overshadow the imperative tostand today for peace.We, as women acting to shape public life, dedicate our energy, resources,and hopes to those who establish peace.There will be no war in our names. If you want our support and votes, stopthis war!Signed:1. Unreasonable Women for the Earth, Nationwide2. Pramila Jayapal, Seattle, WA3. Ginny NiCarthy, Seattle, WA4. Karen Bosley, Seattle, WA5. Janice Pickard, Coupeville, WA6. Margot E "Peg" Tennant, Coupeville WA7. Patty Carlisle, Seattle, WA8. Karen Jensen, Seattle, WA9. Frances Partridge, Seattle, WA10. Elizabeth Sanders, Seattle, WA11. Marjorie Huebner, MN12. Karolyn Redoutey, MN13. Jennifer Moore, MN14. Jacqueline Sterling, Minneapolis, MN15. Rorie Hanrahan, Santa Fe, NM16. Maggie Copeland, Glendive, MT17. Joan Gough, Moab, UT18. Eleanor Inskip, Salt Lake City, UT19. Meherban Kaur Khalsa, Salt Lake City, Ut20. Shakta Khalsa, Herndon, VA21. Anne V. Hilliard, Jacksonville, FL22. Ann McGill, Reston, VA23. Mary Elizabeth Thunder, West Point, Texas Big Indian, NY24. Joy Walker, Palm Bay, Fl. 3290925. Christina Van Deusen, Waltham MA 0245326. Susan Cohen Thompson, Natick, MA 0176027. Linda Timann Dewing, Providence, RI 0290628. Mikala Moore, Durango, CO 8130129. Sister Patricia Soltesz,IHM Harper Woods, MI 4822530. Jan Soleau, IHM, St.Clair
[ozmidwifery] Obstetric Fistula
Dear Edwina and All, Some time ago, I heard an eye/mind-opening interview by Margaret Throsby (ABC FM 10:05 a.m. -- I love her interviews) -- back to the point, Aviva! -- with a woman, whose name I don't recall, who has been saving women in Africa for many, many years. She told of how, often as teenagers, they've given birth and have developed fistulae -- a hole between the rectum and vagina -- and have been lying down FOR YEARS in little sheds, being cared for by parents, who also care for the children. As faeces leak out of their vaginas, you can imagine the rest. Often they walk for weeks to get to the centre this woman started years ago, and a few weeks later, walk out of there literally new women. I'm so glad you sent this, Edwina. We need to support this cause just as much as they need our support. Could we set up some system of becoming a sponsor??? I'd be happy to contribute. On my income, I would not be able to do it on my own, but if we band together -- what do you think? Aviva - Original Message - From: Vance Edwina To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] aspartame Dear List,Here is a site that deserves our support (in my opinion). When I firststarted supporting it, it had 6 sponsors now unfortunately there is onlythe one. Please have a look and click on the button everyday that youare online and give a free donation. http://www.matercare.org/lifesaver.htmlThanks so muchEdwina--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject
surely not putting baby on front is crappy for development? aviva - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends,I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but itinterests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore)causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 monthsof age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even indaytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore.On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-))Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA,PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.aspIt's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you allknow more or have some toughts about it?GreetingsLieve--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
cat among pigeons here -- suppose baby threw up while lying on back and choked? aviva, ducking - Original Message - From: janet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on theirtummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDSrecommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they haveto be reminded to allow "tummy time" during wake times. Also I heardthat some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, onewoman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made tocorrect the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her secondchild she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from sideto side to sleep. Janet -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MarilynKleidonSent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subjectI have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on theirtummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and evenbeneficialfor babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to beobserving them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, butIwas picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskinforall 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, Iamnot surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummiestouse their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleepontheir babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to dothis.marilyn- Original Message -From: "Lieve Huybrechts" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:33 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already,but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummyanymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that theyevenin daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn,RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Doyouall know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] aspartame
received this a few weeks ago. sent it to my brother who's diabetic. he sent it on to a friend of his, an eminent scientist who reckons it's bunkum. I don't go near artificial sweeteners with a barge pole anyway, but then, I'm not diabetic (whew!) aviva - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] aspartame Hi All,Maybe you already know the dangers of diet drinks with aspartame, but if not, here is a webpage with some side-effects.Love Anke.http://www.aspartame.ca/index.html--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] return mail
Trouble is,we Australians have already paid for it. Certified mail costs us again. I heard they're piled up in post offices to the tune of around 200,000 already and they haven't finished the mailout. So where's the Messiah in all this! come on, mate, get your arse out of hiding. Maybe this is the time for the Messiah's Fan Club I wrote a piece about over twenty years ago. Aviva - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] return mail what do you think? It's been said that you should "return to sender" your Anti Terror pack. Why not go one better? Send back it by certifyed mail. It costs a small amount, but they have to sign for every single bit that comes through their door, rather than throw the returned leaflet strait into the bin. good idea! Darren --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed
Am house hunting, the yearly ritual. Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for us! Aviva - Original Message - From: alan trewern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed Dear Lieve, I would also like to read your paper if Aviva is able totranslate it.Thank you for your observations in a different setting to thatwhich most of us work in. Linda Trewern-Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/- Original Message -From: "Lieve Huybrechts" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:33 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed I made a paper about the first contact and the first feeding. I wrote itin dutch, but maybe one of the dutch speeking listmembers has the time to translate. At least there are some references at the end that may be usefull. If someone is interested, I can send it off list. When I worked in the hospital (I worked mostly at night when nobody interferes) and now as independent midwife I never touch the babys after birt. They are lying quiet on the mothers breast. We are packing ourthings together and drinking tea, filling in papers or just reflecting on the birth. Most of the time the baby starts drinking without anyone, even not the mother 'helping'. The students are amazed, they never saw the capacity of children to take care of there own surviving. Warm greetings Lieve On 10-02-2003 04:15, "Ruth Cantrill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Also is anyone aware of any good journal articles on the first breastfeed in birth suite. I tried tosearch the web but mostly seemed to get personal stories or documents I couldn'topen. certainly there is research informing of optimal approaches to thefirst breastfeed after birth (including 'Evidence for the ten steps tosuccessful breastfeeding' step 4 as mentioned by Alesa) to facilitate positive experience for mother and baby which may impact on maternal confidenceand infant feeding ability for optimal attachment. Perhaps someoneinterested in research could investigate women's experience of the firstbreastfeed. Gabriel Palmer and Royal College of Midwives (RCM) both point out the importance of how midwives assist mothers with the first breastfeed. My research project last year for a Masters was concerning "The first Breastfeed: Midwives knowledge and practice". Articles with results have been submitted to journals for publishing. No doubt the first breastfeeding experience immediately after birth isvery much associated with management of birthing and touching the baby. Unfortunately it seems women and midwives do need education on mattersof newborn feeding ability and how to observe and work with what the babycan do rather than 'teach' the mother what to do according to specific techniques. Ruth - Ruth Cantrill Griffith University NATHAN QLD 4111 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed
Now I've just had a great idea -- why don't you all learn Dutch? Millions do it Holland and Belgium, and in South Africa they have a bit of a go at it too! It's not that difficult! (only kidding) Aviva - Original Message - From: Ruth Cantrill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed Wow. that's great Lieve. I would love to read your paper. I hope you cantranslate it for us Aviva. May I please have a copy when it is done. Sometimes I see good abstracts of papers written in a language not English andwish i could read them.will look forward to the translated result.Did you publish in a journal lieve? If so which one? If not you may considerit??Ruth C From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:33:30 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed I made a paper about the first contact and the first feeding. I wrote it in dutch, but maybe one of the dutch speeking listmembers has the time to translate. At least there are some references at the end that may be usefull. If someone is interested, I can send it off list. When I worked in the hospital (I worked mostly at night when nobody interferes) and now as independent midwife I never touch the babys after birt. They are lying quiet on the mothers breast. We are packing our things together and drinking tea, filling in papers or just reflecting on the birth. Most of the time the baby starts drinking without anyone, even not the mother 'helping'. The students are amazed, they never saw the capacity of children to take care of there own surviving. Warm greetings LieveOn 10-02-2003 04:15, "Ruth Cantrill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Also is anyone aware of any good journal articles on the first breastfeed in birth suite. I tried to search the web but mostly seemed to get personal stories or documents I couldn't open. certainly there is research informing of optimal approaches to the first breastfeed after birth (including 'Evidence for the ten steps to successful breastfeeding' step 4 as mentioned by Alesa) to facilitate positive experience for mother and baby which may impact on maternal confidence and infant feeding ability for optimal attachment. Perhaps someone interested in research could investigate women's experience of the first breastfeed. Gabriel Palmer and Royal College of Midwives (RCM) both point out the importance of how midwives assist mothers with the first breastfeed. My research project last year for a Masters was concerning "The first Breastfeed: Midwives knowledge and practice". Articles with results have been submitted to journals for publishing. No doubt the first breastfeeding experience immediately after birth is very much associated with management of birthing and touching the baby. Unfortunately it seems women and midwives do need education on matters of newborn feeding ability and how to observe and work with what the baby can do rather than 'teach' the mother what to do according to specific techniques. Ruth - Ruth Cantrill Griffith University NATHAN QLD 4111 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Fw: 4,000 YEAR CYCLE....?
Says the ailing one to the doctor "I have an earache"... 2000 B.C.E. - Here, eat this root.1000 C.E. - That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.1850 C.C. - That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.1940 C.E. - That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.1985 C.E. - That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.2000 C.E. - Antibiotics don't work any longer. Here, eat this root. Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed
Ja, I'll have a crack at translating, Lieve. (Now we'll see how much I've forgotten of my Dutch!) Groetjes, Aviva - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:first breastfeed I made a paper about the first contact and the first feeding. I wrote it indutch, but maybe one of the dutch speeking listmembers has the time totranslate. At least there are some references at the end that may beusefull. If someone is interested, I can send it off list.When I worked in the hospital (I worked mostly at night when nobodyinterferes) and now as independent midwife I never touch the babys afterbirt. They are lying quiet on the mothers breast. We are packing our thingstogether and drinking tea, filling in papers or just reflecting on thebirth. Most of the time the baby starts drinking without anyone, even notthe mother 'helping'. The students are amazed, they never saw the capacityof children to take care of there own surviving.Warm greetingsLieveOn 10-02-2003 04:15, "Ruth Cantrill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also is anyone aware of any good journal articles on the first breastfeed in birth suite. I tried to search the web but mostly seemed to get personal stories or documents I couldn't open. certainly there is research informing of optimal approaches to the first breastfeed after birth (including 'Evidence for the ten steps to successful breastfeeding' step 4 as mentioned by Alesa) to facilitate positive experience for mother and baby which may impact on maternal confidence and infant feeding ability for optimal attachment. Perhaps someone interested in research could investigate women's experience of the first breastfeed. Gabriel Palmer and Royal College of Midwives (RCM) both point out the importance of how midwives assist mothers with the first breastfeed. My research project last year for a Masters was concerning "The first Breastfeed: Midwives knowledge and practice". Articles with results have been submitted to journals for publishing. No doubt the first breastfeeding experience immediately after birth is very much associated with management of birthing and touching the baby. Unfortunately it seems women and midwives do need education on matters of newborn feeding ability and how to observe and work with what the baby can do rather than 'teach' the mother what to do according to specific techniques. Ruth - Ruth Cantrill Griffith University NATHAN QLD 4111 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] URGENT Advice Required
Title: URGENT Advice Required Ouch! I find Aloe Vera gel from supermarket shelves (oh, wouldst that I had a plant!) works wonders on my Agent Orange-induced rashes, ditto hives, which mercifully have left me in peace for some years. I hope your friend gets relief very swiftly and enjoys Baby. Aviva - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] URGENT Advice Required Hello AllI have a friend who had a bub on Saturday and since she was in labour on Friday she has had a severe heat type looking rash (GP/Ob) says its pregnancy something or other and did not offer much in the way of remedy. It is very red and raised and itchy like hell, also the heat affects it (and we live in Nthrn NSW!) she has large patches over abdo/ top of legs etc.Antihistamines are out of the question with breastfeeding I believe, the babe is feeding beautifully so it would be great to help with the rash so Mum does not consider giving up BF. She is currently bathing in an oatmeal product and applying a soothing cream with oatmeal in it.Any super remedies??Thanks a bunchJustine --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Ah, I was wondering how the interview went. Goodonya, Aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Hi Alesia, who makes the Steffi Love? I guess they havent got a PR machine like Mattel's causing a stir. Its such a game isnt it - I did a radio interview on 3ak last week it was a hoot and lots of fun -I took Hello Baby By Jenni Overend and In Union as "props" to show and tell and talked about my own ten year old being atmy last birth - shes about to be a support person for her friend/ ex housemate (housemate told me that at the private hosp she is booked atthey like women to have epidurals -its easier for staff as the women arent in pain!! We had a wee chat about being able to move round in labour/ wateretcmaking things happen more easily) The radio host was Yvonne Adele - she is very pro natural birth and breastfeeding so we had a ball joking about Midge -and discussing children at birth and how people felt about that - she wasnt sure about that (isnt birth a bit "gory" for children?)so I was able to say it felt natural to me andI had explained to my girls that it was food blood not hurtig blood but I dont think larissa even noticed the blood - at least not with any alarm, it wasnt a strong memory- I have a beautiful story she wrote later - but each woman had to consider her own and her childs needs. It was quite a juicy discussion in spite of being light hearted.The phone-in was fun - one elderly lady upset that childrens innocence was being stolen / another stopped her car to phone that she had used a pregnant doll some years ago as a tool talking about families in a religious education class at a primary school !! thats pretty advanced stuff. I did a couple of news grabs yesterday -I havent listened to them but they were prerecorded so could have been "altered" for context - a Brisbane reporter was very pushy about the "ideal" family - I tried to sidestep that one -who gives a toss?? Midge and bub are in one box and Alan and toddler in another- people can decide the relevance for themselves - but Midge even fits her wedding ring - no swollen fingers!! At least its nice to have an 'involved' Daddy -frankly I cant see why all the fuss -its just a doll. I must have a look for the Steffi doll. Pinky --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water
Hell's bells, I'd have been mortified if anyone wanted to touch my babies before I had! Aviva - Original Message - From: Ruth Cantrill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water A new midwife to our unit from England said our baths would not be suitable because of back care for the midwife! My response was that from what I've read the baby is birthed by the mum, hands off by the midwife, so why should there be a problem!!how many women are willing to touch their baby during the process of birthand immediately at the moment of birthing???i can see that with much pre education this may be possible. However if itis to happen the way you idealistically suggest then perhaps one criteriafor in water birthing will need to be that women are fully educatedwilling and cooperative in handling her baby at the moment of birth.we do have to be careful in the asumptions we make about how women may feeland be able to respond at the various stages of birthing.Ruth-Ruth CantrillGriffith UniversityNATHAN QLD 4111Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] A note on the impending war
War does not determine who's right -- it determines who's left. Quotes from Vietnam Veterans' Association of Australia: Honour the dead, but fight like hell for the living. For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavour the protected will never know. When I lived in Israel over twenty years ago, it was "normal" to have terrorists blow up buses, marketplaces and other buildings. It still is, only it rarelyhas it made publicity inAustralia. I know Vietnamese people in Australia who left Vietnam in the late seventies. They remember the war, and they remember the lack of human rightsafter the peoplethey'd thought of as their 'liberators' took over. They remember the torture. They set up the Vietnam/Australia Human Rights Committee. Human Rights in Vietnam is, tothis day, a tragic oxymoron. Would you condone sentencing an eighty year-old to life imprisonment for having been a Catholic priest, then bow to international pressure and commute it to twenty years? One of hundreds of thousands of cases. I've lived in two war zones; Vietnam and Israel. Only if you're actually living there, can you have a truly informed opinionof what is REALLY going on. -- from you friendly Vietnam veteran, Jewish, active birther, Aviva (golly, am I ever into being in the minority!) http://www.chariot.net.au - Original Message - From: Alphia Possamai To: Mary Hawkins ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A note on the impending war Does Tony Blair have any idea what the flies are like that feed off thedead?By Robert FiskLONDON, 26 January 2003 -The IndependentOn the road to Basra, ITV was filming wild dogs as they tore at the corpses of the Iraqi dead. Every few seconds a ravenous beast would rip off a decaying arm and make off with it over the desert in front of us, dead fingers trailing through the sand, the remains of the burned military sleeve flapping in the wind."Just for the record," the cameraman said to me. Of course. Because ITV would never show such footage. The things we see the filth and obscenity of corpses cannot be shown. First because it is not "appropriate" to depict such reality on breakfast-time TV. Second because, if what we saw was shown on television, no one would ever again agree to support a war.That of course was in 1991. The "highway of death," they called it . There was actually a parallel and much worse "highway of death" 10 miles to the east, courtesy of the US Air Force and the RAF, but no one turned up to film it and the only true picture of the horrors we saw was the photograph of the shriveled, carbonized Iraqi soldier in his truck. This was an iconic illustration of a kind because it did represent what we had seen, when itwas eventually published.For Iraqi casualties to appear on television during that Gulf War there was another one between 1980 and 1988, and a third is in the offing. It was necessary for them to have died with care, to have fallen romantically on their backs, one hand over a ruined face. Like those World War I paintings of the British dead on the Somme, Iraqis had to die benignly and without obvious wounds, without any kind of squalor, without a trace of shit or mucus or congealed blood, if they wanted to make it on to the morning News programs.I rage at this contrivance. At Qaa in 1996, when the Israelis had shelled Lebanese refugees at the UN compound for 17 minutes, killing 106 civilians, more than half of them children, I came across a young woman holding in her arms a middle-aged man. He was dead. "My father, my father," she kept crying, cradling his face. One of his arms and one of his legs was missing the Israelis used proximity shells which cause amputation wounds but when that scene reached television screens in Europe and America, the camera was close up on the girl and the dead man's face. The amputations were not to be seen. The cause of death had been erased in the interests of good taste. It was as if the old man had died of tiredness, just turned his head uponhis daughter's shoulder to die in peace.Today, when I listen to the threats of US President George W. Bush against Iraq and the shrill moralistic warnings of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, I wonder what they know of this terrible reality. Does George, whodeclined to serve his county in Vietnam, have any idea what these corpses smell like? Does Tony have the slightest conception of what the flies are like, the big bluebottles that feed on the dead, and then come to settle on our faces and our notepads? Soldiers know. I remember one British officer asking to use the BBC's satellite phone just after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991. He was talking to his family in England and I watched himcarefully. "I have seen some terrible things," he said. And then he broke down, weeping and shaking and holding the phone dangling in his hand over the transmission set.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: At least 31 Palestinian women murdered in 'honor killings' in 2002
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: At least 31 Palestinian women murdered in 'honor killings' in 2002 At least 31 Palestinian women murdered in 'honor killings' in 2002Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 6, 2003 | Khaled Abu ToamehBy KHALED ABU TOAMEH At least 31 Palestinian women have been murdered in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 2002 in what is known as "honor killings", where a female is executed by a male member of her family for perceived misuse of her sexuality. Most of the victims were under the age of 18 and some had been sexually abused or raped by male relatives, according to statistics released by Palestinian police Thursday. The latest murder was perpetrated earlier this week when a woman from a village near Ramallah strangled to death her 17-year-old daughter for staying away from home for a few days. The mother has been arrested, but her family is employing heavy pressure on the Palestinian Authority to release her "so she can attend to her other children." "It's a very serious problem," said Dr. Azmi Shuaibi, member of the Legal Committee of the Palestinian Legislative Council. "The entire society bears the responsibility in combating this phenomenon. The first step should be to recognize that the problem e" Shuaibi said he planned to hold a special session of the Legal committee to discuss the issue of "honor killings" to pave the way for a PLC meeting that would discuss violence against women. Maisoun Wahidi, a senior official with the PA's Ministry of Social Welfare, said "honor killings' constitute a very serious threat to Palestinian society. "Most of the victims are adolescent girls who were sexually abused or raped by members of their families and later killed for bringing shame," she explained. Wahidi said the ministry was working toward opening shelters for battered women and victims of sexual abuse. The deputy commander of the Ramallah and al Bireh police, Abdel Karim Abu Rabi, revealed that there has been a significant rise in cases of violence against women over the past few months in comparison with 2002. In 2002, he said, his station received 31 complaints related to the use of violence against women, including one murder case. By contrast, police have dealt with 8 similar complaints since the beginning of this year. According to figures released by women organizations, there has also been a significant rise in the number of cases of incest in Palestinian society. One of the women groups reported more than 400 cases in the West Bank during 2002. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] re Dutch midwifery practice
Het is een mooie boel, als U weet wat ik bedoel! Hoi, Anke, I lived 9 years in NL, did my Active Birth Training there. Yes, Oz is so far behind and getting behinder in so many ways. Ja, but the weather's warmer! Groetjes, Aviva - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re Dutch midwifery practice 2/6/2003 9:31:21 AM, Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, Lieve, Judy, and othersYour prayer has been answered before you prayed. I am a dutch midwife and live in Australia for 22 years. All there years I had to fight for any recognition. All I heard from hospital based midwives and doctors was that 'we do it different here' with other words shape up or shift out. (there are some good midwives however that can see beyond their own circle).To be able to work in a hospital I had to 'do my nursing degree' which I see as a total waste of time and money, only to see me as a cheap chance to send to other wards where I have no idea of, because I never became efficient in it and I hate that kind of work. I homebirthed as long as I could and would go back to that kind of work if Australia would bury their pride and listen to the dutch. I did this in holland from 1969 until 1981, then inOZ from 1981 to 1996.Now at 55 I am finished with fighting. Just sit out my time. Now I'm almost finished with my CBE course at ACE Graphics. I just had to do it to stay sane.Even homebirthing has been made more difficult as well. Why after having attended more than 1000+ homebirths should I need to be 'humbled' again and show the ACMI that I really am an OK midwife. This would NEVER happen in Holland. But then when you are a midwife there you have to be able to be on your own. Here I have seen new finished midwives that are worse than some student midwives that only started 1/2 a year ago on their studies. Just rediculous. Sorry to be so negative about the system, but after all these years I can still not cope with this crazy system, that speaks of multi-skilling, sorry, but I call it MULTI-DE-SKILLING.Love ANKE.Midwife QLD. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Article from the Daily Telegraph (UK)
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Article from the Daily Telegraph (UK) Brilliant. It ought to go far and wide. Let's send it on, whaddya reckon? Aviva - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Article from the Daily Telegraph (UK) Lieve: I think this is the article: I went to http://www.telehraph.co.uk/ , tried entering "homebirth" and then "home birth" and got nowhere. So I went to "health" and then "women" and it was on the menu. I can't get out of this paragraph format, sorry. There were a couple of intro sentences above the article below but there was also a photo which I didn't try to copy. The article starts after a couple of line spaces below: Deborah Abrahams gave birth to Flo at home. 'It was a totally different experience. It gave me a great feeling of strength' Had Deborah and her husband Michael Blass - both British theatre directors - been living in Britain, their chances of achieving a home birth for Flo would have been minimal. The proportion of home births in this country has plummeted from 36 per cent in 1958 to two per cent today. In Holland, about 32 per cent of babies are born at home. Nor is that the only difference in obstetric practice between the two countries: the caesarean rate has steadily climbed in Britain to 21.5 per cent, while in Holland, it is about 10 per cent. In Holland, an epidural is used in only six per cent of deliveries, compared with 24 per cent here. Post-natal care is vastly different, too. Every new Dutch mother is entitled to a kraamverzorgster, a maternity assistant who stays for up to eight hours a day for eight days to help with the baby. The cost of this service - about £1,000 - is paid by the state or by health insurance. The overall impression I gained from a recent whistle-stop tour of Amsterdam maternity services was that childbirth is much less medicalised. The Dutch system is based on a highly refined process of risk assessment carried out by the midwife on the client's past and present medical and obstetric history. It is the midwife who acts as gatekeeper, deciding - with reference to the bible that is the Dutch Obstetric Manual - who needs a hospital referral during pregnancy and childbirth. "It is integral to Dutch culture that pregnancy and birth are normal events that can take place at home, unless complications occur," says Beatrijs Smulders, a midwife who runs a busy group practice in Amsterdam. "We don't ask people where they want to give birth. In the end, nature decides for you and you don't have a choice. The safest place is where there will be the least intervention, because each intervention carries risks for mother and baby." The role of the midwife in Holland is very different from that of her British counterpart. Here, most midwives are hospital-based NHS employees. In Holland, they are independent, although many work in group practices. "We are seen as a separate profession with equal status to a GP or an obstetrician," says Sue Thompson, a British midwife who is working in Amsterdam. "Our judgment is respected." Dr Maria Pel, a gynaecologist at the Academic Medical Centre in Amsterdam, agrees. "The important thing is for professionals to respect their own limits," she says. "For example, I am not interested in doing a normal vaginal delivery and I will not do it as well as a midwife because I will probably perform an episiotomy [a cut to enlarge the vaginal opening] too early." Dutch midwives attend when their client in labour calls them. They check that all is well, give advice and aim to return when the woman is 8cm dilated, an approach that can seem shockingly relaxed to those who are not used to it. Trust between client and midwife is crucial. "There is no pressure on us to listen constantly to the baby's heartbeat, nor is there a need, since we are working with a select group of women whom we know," says Smulders. "The most important role for the midwife during the birth is to ensure that the woman is not disturbed, so that the physiology of labour can work as well as possible." Dutch women, unlike many of their British counterparts, do not expect to be given drugs to ease the pain of labour. Epidurals are used only in caesarean deliveries, and gas and air is unknown. "We know women can handle pain and that they need pain," says Smulders. "And they know that if the pain is abnormal, pethidine will be administered. But midwives cannot give pethidine, so a transfer to hospital will be necessary, which tends to discourage its use." About a third of women who plan home births are transferred to hospital in labour. Because Holland is a relatively small country with good roads, if an ambulance is necessary, it will arrive swiftly and the journey to hospital will normally take no more than 15
Re: [ozmidwifery] gallbladder
Well done, Rhonda! Good to have you back. Take it easy, though. love, aviva - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gallbladder Just to let you sll know I am home. A little tender in my tummy - 5 small holes. The op took about 1hour 15mins and I was awake and talking to the surgeon (which amazed him) 5 mins after he finished. He was pleased and I have really only had panadol and just took a tramol which is great to ease the pain. I had a shower at about 8.30 - the op finished at about 3.15. and came home at about 9.30pm. All went well and the HUGH stone is ina little jar I am heading off to bed now to rest. luv Rhonda NB - Thanks for the kind thoughts and wishes. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 14:55:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] gallbladder Hi, Rhonda, By the time you receive this, you'll be home again, so I hope the surgery went smoothly and wish you a very speedy recovery. I'm sure you'll be relieved! Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03 IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war
good question...sneaky of them, wasn't it, no return address. I wonder what would happen if you stuck a label with Howard's address on it and no postage. Would Aust post have to deliver it and charge little johnny? I didn't have the patience to read it all, but what I did readsounded like an American brochure for something shonky to me. I bet they copied it from a USA one. Also sounds like a 'vote for me, see what a good boy I am, looking after you' piece of . If they're so interested in our welfare, why are there so many people homeless? so many waiting for medical care? so many medicalised births? so many widows going hungry? so many children and their mothers living in poverty? so many schools struggling to pay the cleaners? etc. ad infinitum. ggg. aviva - Original Message - From: Larry Megan To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war Can any one tell me what the best way will be to send back my "How to Spot aTerrorist" brochure? There isn't a return postal address and don't want towaste the oppurtunity and have Aus Post just bin it.Any suggestions welcome,thanksMegan.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] gallbladder
Hi, Rhonda, By the time you receive this, you'll be home again, so I hope the surgery went smoothly and wish you a very speedy recovery. I'm sure you'll be relieved! Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush handout/gentian violet
Hi, Joy, I don't know what system you use, but have a go selecting what you want, then hold 'control' while you press 'c' (copy) then put your cursor where you want the text to go to, then hold 'control' while you press 'v'. In short, 'cntrl, c, cntrol, v'. Failing that, do you have a toolbar with a scissors (cut) button, a copy button, and a paste button? I just about had a party the day I finally worked out the cutandpaste shortcuts. So easy! for a writer, it's manna from heaven. Good luck! aviva - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thrush handout/gentian violet I can't seem to manage to copy and paste, so will rewrite this handout here.This is certainly not a definitive treatment and I usually suggest thatwomen use the parts that they feel they can manage. Also, as someone elsesuggested, thrush can be very resistant and take much longer to get out ofthe system. (It is probably time I reviewed the handout anyway.)Re the gentian violet - this is still recommended by a number ofbreastfeeding experts. However, it can no longer be purchased in Aus to thebest of my knowledge. The study showed that it was carcinogenic/toxic inrats in very large doses, much more than we would ever use. For furtherinformation check out (Dr) Jack Newman's web pages. He has heaps of goodinformation. You should be able to find your way to his articles by goingto http://users.erols.com/cindyrn/printnotenough.htm or do a search for DrJack Newman.Also Dr Lisa Amir of Richmond (Melbourne) is something of a "thrush expert".Treatment for Thrush (Yeast Infections) in the Breast.1. Treat other thrush infections (vaginal, partner, baby's bottom, etc.)2. Use oral Daktaren Gel on nipples and in baby's mouth 3-4 times a day.3. Take acidophilus/bifidus supplement - 6 capsules spaced evenlythroughout the day. Keep in the fridge.4. Eat a lot of garlic or take garlic capsules, as it is anti-fungal andboosts the immune system.5. Take zinc supplement as per directions on the bottle.6. Reduce sugar to a minimum and use no artificial sweeteners.7. Decrease intake of yeasts - bread, wine, Vegemite, Promite, biscuits,mushrooms.8. No dried fruits, grapes, rockmelon or peanuts.9. Good foods to eat include plain acidophilus yoghurt, pasta, rice, ricecakes, fresh fruit and vegies, yeast-free bread, crumpets.10. Hygiene - dry upper body and breasts with separate handtowel or nappy;use soap for hands and nails after nappy change/nipple treatment; soak brasand breastpads separately, wash, then dry in sun; boil all feeding aids for10 mins. If using sterilising solution, ensure that all items are rinsedwith freshly boiled water prior to use.11. Rinse nipples with 1 teaspon carb soda to 1 cup boiled water or 1tablespoon white vinegar to 1 cup of boiled water 3-4 times a day. Pat dryand apply antifungal cream. Air the nipples as much as possible.12. Continue treatment for at least 7 days after symptoms have gone.13. If the infection is resistant to these treatments, you may need to seeyour doctor for oral medication. Kenacomb ointment may also be useful(script required) - no need to rinse off before feeds as very littleabsorbed through baby's gut.Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben
I love this stuff...but I'm off to bed. Top of the evening, to you. aviva - Original Message - From: Carolyn Donaghey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben We still have my father's caul would you believe. In the cupboard in the passage! He hasn't drowned yet, but his intuition?! But that was always our tradition and I come from an Irish background.Carolyn Donaghey-HarrisAviva Sheb'a wrote: Thank you for that...it's thoroughly enlightening.Are you talking about Ireland? Funnily enough, Alice, my Active Birth student whose emails I've fwdd to this list numerous times, just asked me if a baby can be born without the membranes rupturing. I told her it would take a hell of a lot of perineal massage...etc. I'll forward this email to her. Cheers, Aviva - Original Message - From: mel gregory To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben it means with the membranes still in tact around the babe...certainly where I come fromm it means that the babe , amongst other things will never drown at sea and should ones baby be born 'in the caul ' the thing to do is to rush down to the habour and flog the membranes to the nearest fisherman...they will apparently want to buy them as it will prevent them from drowning at sea as well. However the baby is also supposed to have some sort of sixth sense or at least be particularly intuitive , one of my children was born with the membranes - Original Message --- --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?
Welcome back, Jo! Yes, I, for one, missed you indeed. Don't want to know, but I think you'd better let me have the rest of this info. It's beginning to sink in that we're not living in an age of enlightenment at all. Screaming, Aviva - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me? Hi everyone, I am back with a newly polished soap box and a major thing to be yelling about! I am going to jump straight into it with the stress that I am not going to stay on the list for long (a few weeks perhaps) so you may have to contact me off list for further details. Okay, everyone sitting down??? Guess who is doing an Australian/New Zealand multi-centred study called ACTOBAC A Controlled Trial Of Birth After Caesarean which (wait for it) is a randomised controlled trial involving 2000 women. The study is being conducted by Professor Caroline Crowther. It involves women with one previous cs and they will be randomised at 34 weeks. Those who are designated the vbac option will have mandatory continuous monitoring and all the other woman unfriendly policies imposed on vbacs, inductions or augmentationswill not be excluded.Theunfortunate women who are allocated to the cs group, if they (inconveniently) go into spontaneous labour theywill be given an emergency cs. How do I know all this?? CARES was contacted after Crowther read my article in Birth Perinatal Issues Journal (Sept 2002) and asked us to make some comments on the trialwe made comments alright!5 pages worth for starters. The issues and criticisms are many and varied. the language used is appalling, the information biased and the methodology dubious. An then there is the little issue of it being completely unethical!we got a reply after almost three months with a "thanks for your feed back. We are proud to announce the trial has been approved for funding". this is an unacceptable and insulting response to say the least. we have had no further comment from them. So how annoyed are you so far?? it gets better. As this is a long posting as it is, (typical for me huh?) If you want to know more please let me know. To end this email I will give you the first paragraph from the information pamphlet provided to us by the research team in November: "For someone like yourself who has had a previous caesarean section a decision needs to be made as to whether your baby is best born by allowing a vaginal birth or whether a repeat caesarean section should be undertaken" and it gets so much better hope to hear from interested parties as soon as possible as I am writing to the ethics committees and need as much weight to support our objections. (ACMI National level would be appreciated if you are listening!) Remember that this is going to recruiting women from every major women's children's hospital in every capital city around this country. cheers for now Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Denise's back!
welcome back, Denise! Aviva - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Denise's back! Dear All I am back online and lookin' forward to hearing your news Denise hynd --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?
BINGO! aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me? Hi Jo Your email needs to be forwarded to any media people who will listen - can you make up a pack/ media kit- a plain white folder containing the objections you sent to the study and a copy of this email adapted to make a brief covering letter - women need to be forewarned. It would also be useful to point out that the researchers are not Australians(they arent are they?) How dare they use women and babies as beasts for experimentation!! Pinky --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Cowboy boots
Cowboy BootsAnyone who has ever dressed a child will love this one!Did you hear about the Texas teacher who was helping one of herkindergarten students put on his cowboy boots? He asked for help and she could see why. Even with her pulling and him pushing, the little boots still didn't want to go on. Finally, when the second boot was on, she had worked up a sweat.She almost cried when the little boy said, "Teacher, they're on the wrongfeet." She looked and sure enough, they were. It wasn't any easier pullingthe boots off than it was putting them on. She managed to keep her cool astogether they worked to get the boots back on - this time on the right feet. He then announced, "These aren't my boots."She bit her tongue rather than get right in his face and scream, "Whydidn't you say so?" like she wanted to. And, once again she struggled to help himpull the ill-fitting boots off his little feet. No sooner they got the boots off and he said, "They're my brother's boots.My Mom made me wear 'em."Now she didn't know if she should laugh or cry. But, shemustered up the grace and courage she had left to wrestle the boots on hisfeet again.Helping him into his coat, she asked, "Now, where are your mittens?" Hesaid, "I stuffed 'em in the toes of my boots."Her trial starts next month. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout
Thank you, Darren, and thank you, Joy. That's really useful info, easily followed. Aviva - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout To anybody who wanted this attachment in Word format please find it attachedto this email.Darren. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Overdue Babies,
Well done, all of you! Congratulations on the whole thing(s) to all involved. Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Overdue Babies, For those who encouraged me along the jouney. The babies who were overdue waited patiently.. while their mothers waited impatiently until Feb arrived before their arrival. One due the 8th of jan was born the 1st of Feb (24 days over) looking a little overcooked and weighed in at 3.6kg despite the late scan saying 4.1kg.. the other due the 11th of Jan arrived on the 2nd of Feb (22 days) looking not a minute overdue despite mothers dates and scan dates matching around 16 weeks! Both these women resisted pressure (and bulling) from the obs involved and from family and friends to trust themselves and their babies. I am so inspired by them both. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: "We did it ourselves!" from The Tao Te Ching --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Why I Love My Computer
This is from an Internet friend, Vietnam Veteran, delightful human being. So true! Aviva Why I Love My Computer By Ken O'Keefe --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a natural birth
I agree, Marilyn. I was thin as a child, so much so that people would tell my mother how kind she was taking in a little refugee child. How embarrassing was THAT! I've since made up for it. The whole body image thing is huge and so detrimental. The info about gymnasts I referred to came from a keynote speech by Dr. Barbara Drinkwater (Research Physiologist in the Department of Medicine, Pacific Medical Centre, Seattle, Washington), at the 12 Congress of the International Association for Physical Education and Sport for Girls and Women, Melbourne, July, 1993. Her talk was hair-raising and backed up my experiences of working with women, with dance, Active Birthing, healing. My daughter, Rosie, has just turned 15, and is very tiny still. Not an ounce of fat, but well muscled, extremely healthy, fit, strong in all respects,and cops flak periodically for being slender. Alas, we have still a long way to go to stop the undermining of girls and women through body stature/image. Aviva - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth Just a little note of angst from me too. As there are many different kindsof women there are many different types of birthing bodies. I am certainlynot sanctifying the obsession with extreme thinness that the advertisingindustry has imposed on people over the decades but I cringe when I readpeople making huge judgements about the state of osteoporosis in a model'sbody. Implied in that is her inability to birth naturally. As a person whoonce inhabited a very skinny body (I no longer do, the miracle of age) Iknow first hand the comments that fly your way, one is repeatedly told aboutyour boyishness, how unlikely it is for a child to pass through your hips,how could you possibly have the endurance to mother etc.. How you must bemalnourished. In short you are declared unwomanly at a young age and for aslong as you remain thin. (I am always amazed that large people think theyare the only ones who were made fun of, it's all of us a group inferioritycomples??). Of course the media hype is also telling you your body isdesirable. What a mind tweek. I am not denying that extreme dieting, extremeexercise and obsession with body image is not harmful, I am just saying thatwe shouldn't assume that thin, toned women (often called skinny) can'tbirth, they can and do everyday in many ways. I do think it is our missionas midwives to unveil their trust in their bodies so that they birth theirbabies in hope and trust. We must delete the subtext that seems to be sayingbig women birth beautifully and skinny women can't. Let's not make suchinvalid assumptions.marilyn --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a natural birth
osteoporosis and amenorrhoea exceedingly common in young top class gymnasts. what a world. status symbol to be thin in countries where there's an abundance of food; status symbol to be fat where there's too little food. Can we put sanity on the curriculum? aviva - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth Just a suggestion. Claudia Schiffer as a supermodelis a long-time member of the ultra thin. Perhaps it was discovered when she hurt her foot that her bones are brittle from years of too little body fat. (Studies have shown that women with too little body fat go into a form of menopause; periods stop bones lose calcium.) Anyone care to speculate on the effect of trying to go through labour with a brittle pelvis? Ken Ward --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben
Joy, that's a touching, and humbling, story indeed. What does "in the caul" mean? One can learn so much here! Hugs to you and your family, Aviva - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben Many of you will remember my daughter's surviving twin, Reuben. He is doingEXCEPTIONALLY well, better than any of us could have possibly hoped for.He's 8/12 old today and had a routine paed checkup 10 days ago. He'schubby, never been sick - not even a cold, bright, active and starting tocatch up developmentally. There is no sign of any residual problems fromhis prematurity - just some little scars from all of his i/v's, which he'llbe able to show off proudly if they're still visible later on in life. He'sfully breastfed, of course, and paed couldn't believe how well he's doing,doesn't want to see him till he's 18/12 and then B4 he goes to kinder. Evenhis umbilical hernia, which was measured at 5 cm has completely disappeared.He had 2 x inguinal hernias repaired (at the same time) just after he cameout of hospital. He's cuddly and quite an "easy" baby. We are so, sograteful.Now for the goosebumpy stuff: a few months ago, when I was "visiting" Tillyat the cemetery I had the strongest feeling that she had died to saveReuben, so that he would have the strength of 2 babies. I related this toSally, she went quiet and asked if she had told me what Tas (her 4 y/o) hadsaid a few days B4 - she hadn't. He was in the bath and said, "mummy, canwe talk about Tilly?", "yes, of course", "she died because of Reuben", "no,she didn't die because of Reuben, she died because she was very sick", "yes,I know that, but she died because of Reuben"! Sally said, "I wonder ifthat's what Tas meant." I'm sure it was, and recently when we were talkingabout it, Sally said that it really helped her to know this.JoyPS Tas was born "in the caul" which, as we all know, makes him extraspecial (according to folklore anyway). In any case, he does seem to bevery intuitive, a quality to be nurtured.Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout
Can anyone enlighten me as to how to create the file type to open this attachment? I followed the instructions in the dialogue box that told me I needed to do this and that, but it didn't work. Boo hoo, I want to read it! Aviva - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout Dear Trudie and Lois,I will attach the thrush handout, but not sure if attachments work with thelist. It is just a list of ideas that I've put together from readingdifferent articles, although now that I've actually TASTED Daktaren Gel, Ithink I would be loathe to use it - it's simply awful!!!Re the fires - yes, I'm still here as are my daughter, her partner and 2boys. She and the boys went away for a few days, while I chose to "stay anddefend". The fires were still a couple of hills away from me, but it wasvery scary when the police came knocking Tues 2 weeks ago, and said they hadinformation that the fires would be coming over the hill behind me within 2hours. Fortunately, it didn't happen. My ex-husband has been good withhelping me out (plugging up downpipes, etc and giving me accurateinformation as he's been the controller with the CFA for much of the time).We are all so grateful to the fire fighters. Interestingly, the hospitalhas been really quiet, despite the hazardous levels of smoke. It is justawful, you can taste it, smell it and your head aches with it. I don't knowwhat long-term effects it will have on people as they've been breathing itfor many days now, and many of them without masks.I used to live in Omeo for 9 years so feel very much for people there too.For a while here, you felt like you needed full make-up etc to go down thestreet, as there were so many media people in the town! We're looking athaving a staff function when it's over - suggestions have been for a karaokenight with songs such as smoke gets in your eyes, burn for you, burning ringof fire, etc or movies such as backdraft, towering inferno, some like it hotetc!!!All the bestJoyJoy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthtalk's First Birth
Title: Birthtalk's First Birth Well! Welcome back, Melissa and large congratulations to you all! With love, Aviva - Original Message - From: rem melissa bruijn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthtalk's First Birth Hi, everyone and Happy New Year (a bit late, I know!)I was on this list until Xmas chewed me up and spat me out, and I unsubscribed in a desperate attempt to get things done! Anyway, happy to be back again, and wanted to start things off with a story about our first mum attending Birthtalk to give birth. Some of you may have seen it on the Birthrites chat list - sorry! -- MelissaBirthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth Birthtalk's First Birth!Just had to let you all know : our first "Birthtalk" mother gave birth recently, and we are all a bit excited! At our first meeting for 2003, on Jan 21, we held a Blessingway ceremony for Holly, as she was 37 wks. We had a red candle for strength, courage, fertility and power, and all 12 women present offered Holly messages of encouragement, affirmation of her strength and her beautiful birthing body. Then we all sat with our eyes closed, sending her strength and support. Holly sobbed through the whole process : she has come such a long way on this journey, and we felt as if we'd been right there with her. (last birth : c/sec for "cpd" when fully dilated and pushing : given way too many VE's and told she had a damaged tailbone (after an internal while lying down) and told pushing would be like pushing against a wall)We collected written messages of encouragement from the women present, to be delivered to her the next day, as she had to leave the meeting early. Someone commented before she left that it looked as tho her baby had dropped during the meeting. The next day, she called my sil, Deb, who is Holly's neighbour and co-facilitator of Birthtalk - and a midwife. Deb went over and found Holly just out of the shower...and in labour. Holly burst into tears and said she didn't feel ready, and she was so scared. So Deb sat with her, and read her each of the messages written at her Blessingway the nite before, that Deb had made into a little book. She started saying "Yes - I AM strong, I CAN do this," and really brightened up. Deb took Holly's 2yo home, and left her full of confidence and determination, waiting for the midwife and her dh to arrive.Before she left to go with Deb, Holly's 2yo daughter looked up at her while she moved her hips and said, "Mummy?". Deb told her that Mummy was dancing, that she was dancing the baby out, and that later Mummy would sing the baby out. How beautiful is that?When Deb phoned me to say Holly was in labour, we both cried. It was just so fantastic that it was all happening. Holly had worked so hard to find the right place of birth for her, the right midwife for her, managed to work with a VERY reticent husband and encourage him to come to his own decision about a homebirth, and overcome her feelings about her last experience. I sent an email to all the women who had been at Birthtalk the nite before, telling them the news, and asking them to think of Holly. Holly knew we were doing this and was really happy about it. We had some excited ph calls and emails!Five hours later I phoned Deb again, to hear that she had just popped over to Holly's with a meat pie, and put it in the oven for them. She could hear a beautiful Birth Song from the hallway, and knew she was in 2nd stage. The midwife ducked into the kitchen and said Holly was doing beautifully and it wouldn't be long now. I senet out a new email : "Holly's in 2nd stage", and we all got excited again.Then I got a call from Deb : 10 minutes after she left Holly's place, Holly had pushed out a gorgeous 7lb boy! Her dh had come over an hour later with the news, and to take their 2yo home. He was so excited and happy, and elated. So Deb and I had another cry!That's all I know so far : except that Holly is up and about, and has yet to name her little man. ANd that she is fairly chuffed with herself! She has been such an inspiration for other women in Birthtalk, especially those who have also chosen a homebirth after a cs. Sigh - birth is beautiful, isn't it?MelissaBirthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout
Thank you; trouble is, I can't open it in the first place! aviva - Original Message - From: Joyce, Sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout Try saving the document and opening it in notepad or word pad (normally located in the start menu/programs/accessories/) This worked for me. I did get a little "dalkjdfh2344k23kl" at the beginning and end. After opening I saved it as text file. Sally -Original Message-From: Aviva Sheb'a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, 3 February 2003 3:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout Can anyone enlighten me as to how to create the file type to open this attachment? I followed the instructions in the dialogue box that told me I needed to do this and that, but it didn't work. Boo hoo, I want to read it! Aviva - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout Dear Trudie and Lois,I will attach the thrush handout, but not sure if attachments work with thelist. It is just a list of ideas that I've put together from readingdifferent articles, although now that I've actually TASTED Daktaren Gel, Ithink I would be loathe to use it - it's simply awful!!!Re the fires - yes, I'm still here as are my daughter, her partner and 2boys. She and the boys went away for a few days, while I chose to "stay anddefend". The fires were still a couple of hills away from me, but it wasvery scary when the police came knocking Tues 2 weeks ago, and said they hadinformation that the fires would be coming over the hill behind me within 2hours. Fortunately, it didn't happen. My ex-husband has been good withhelping me out (plugging up downpipes, etc and giving me accurateinformation as he's been the controller with the CFA for much of the time).We are all so grateful to the fire fighters. Interestingly, the hospitalhas been really quiet, despite the hazardous levels of smoke. It is justawful, you can taste it, smell it and your head aches with it. I don't knowwhat long-term effects it will have on people as they've been breathing itfor many days now, and many of them without masks.I used to live in Omeo for 9 years so feel very much for people there too.For a while here, you felt like you needed full make-up etc to go down thestreet, as there were so many media people in the town! We're looking athaving a staff function when it's over - suggestions have been for a karaokenight with songs such as smoke gets in your eyes, burn for you, burning ringof fire, etc or movies such as backdraft, towering inferno, some like it hotetc!!!All the bestJoyJoy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie picture
Pinky, you have your work cut out for you! I'd say, tape the interview yourself, from your side of the phone. If they edit it (or is it live?) to make you sound like you're saying something else, make it public. Here's my view of what I saw on the web site: "Customers said they were not happy with the pregnant Midge doll so Wal-Mart removed the entire happy Family set," spokeswoman Melissa Berryhill said. Happy families? Wanna bet it's the Happy American Family syndrome people who complained about having Happy Families portrayed. To think, America wants the world to be like them. snort 'Pregnancy-themed' dolls The pregnant version of Midge wears a pink skirt, a tiny wedding ring and a detachable stomach with a curled-up baby inside. stomach stomach?? Since when do women gestate babies in their stomachs? No wonder I had such heartburn! And to think, I thought we did in utero! I'm so higgorant! As for the wedding ring, oh, don't get me started on equal opportunity etc. for those many who don't believe in, or who haven't the privilege (?) of, the wedding ring. Oh, the children I've shocked when they've asked why I don't wear a wedding ring and I've told them I've never been married...they ask how I could possibly have children if I'm not married! I tell them yes, you can have children without being married. I shudder to think what their parents tell them. The doll - which says "Mommy loves her new baby" - comes with a cradle and other baby gear. Snorting, Aviva - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi,Me again;) I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the reproductive process". Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" I think this is a real hoot! Pinky your definitely going to have fun with this one, keep us posted. Julie'', - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" Hi ladies, Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is the paediatrician)-arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birthetc. After a discussion with Andrea and lots of thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!) The fact is, this doll is going to be out there anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off (ridiculous!!I agree - myson immediately tipped her upside down to see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina -a teachable moment!!)- I think we can use this launchas a trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when the phonelines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled fromthe shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great debate. What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear shaped Barbie for years!! Would she be a collectors item? Pinky --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie picture
Here's a link from the same page. If Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm Humble apologies for tongue in cheek. Aviva - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE. THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE. USEDIT TO SHOW WOMENVARIOUS POSITIONSOF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLEONES THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO. OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE SEASON. Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi,Me again;) I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the reproductive process". Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" I think this is a real hoot! Pinky your definitely going to have fun with this one, keep us posted. Julie'', - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" Hi ladies, Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is the paediatrician)-arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birthetc. After a discussion with Andrea and lots of thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!) The fact is, this doll is going to be out there anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off (ridiculous!!I agree - myson immediately tipped her upside down to see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina -a teachable moment!!)- I think we can use this launchas a trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when the phonelines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled fromthe shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great debate. What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear shaped Barbie for years!! Would she be a collectors item? Pinky --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Health/Marriage/China
Very interesting from British Medical Journal, about compulsory pre-marital health screening in China http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7383/277?etoc --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 28/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie picture
Oh gees, Pinky, that's classic! I don't care what's going on in my life when you're in Adelaide, I have a VERY comfortable velour double air mattress that just fits on my lounge floor and you're not allowed to stay anywhere else. Or, if you prefer, I'll sleep in the lounge and you can use my waterbed. Only I'm NOT going to lend you any of my personal women's toys! In stitches, Aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi Aviva -I dont wear a wedding ring either even tho I did getmarried. my finger grew out of it years ago and since my husband doesnt wear one I dont see why I should. Actually, when I was a little girl and asked my mummy how do you make babies? she told me "when you get married and sleep with your husband they come -I (smart kid that I was) replied well how come you have only had 3 babies and Dottie Huta has 9 kids and you sleep with Daddy every night? -Ha stumped her there!!! Actually I was so in stitches about Midge as the PR girl wasdescribing her to me that I couldnt resist asking (tongue firmly in my cheek) "Im not sure about this -is she married?" "oh yes Pr girl replied very seriously -her wedding story is on the box!" Then I cracked up and spoilt it all as she realised I was only joking. I simply cant be serious -and one of my lovely props happens to be a 1957 book about talking to children about childbirth and sex -it is a total hoot -I just wanna read a page out loud!!My Monday interview will be live and is with Yvonne Adele (alias Ms Megabyte) I have done several interviews with her before shes good fun and has a nine year old and a baby about 11months old -shes very pro breastfeeding so is possibly ok about birth too. Dunno about Barbies tho- actually another concern about Midge in teh US was that she would be encouraging teen pregnancies -not sure how little girls would be able to figure out how she got that way from her (and hubby Alan's ) equipment - when my girls were little they used to play families with the Barbies - the Fisher price little people were the children and Action man was always the Daddy -I dont think they thought Ken was quite up to it -I remember Barbie driving a (tonka) truck one day while Daddy (Action Man) minded the babies -Larissa was a right madam and bossed the little boy she was playing with -told him to give the baby ezpressed milk if she wasnt back when the baby woke up!! Another day she also shocked hell out of a neighbour when she "gave birth" to a doll who was tucked up her dress -she made some very realistic noises -squatted and "dropped" the baby then pulled up her shirt and breastfed -she was about 3 years old and Sarah was a baby at the time -Neighbour was a right prude with one4 year old girl - this neighbour even ironed underpants so probably thought I (who barely recognised an iron) was quite a savage anyway - so of course would have savage children! I am looking forward to some funny interviews - mattel may or may not be amused!! The last pregnant doll was a Judy doll -I have an American friend called Judy so she reminded me of teh name. Pinky. PS -yes lets just ship a boat load of Happy Family dolls to Iran and save the chilren !! - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Here's a link from the same page. If Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm Humble apologies for tongue in cheek. Aviva - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE. THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE. USEDIT TO SHOW WOMENVARIOUS POSITIONSOF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLEONES THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO. OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE SEASON. Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi,Me again;) I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm It is suggested in this story
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Cute kid stuff
A collection of funny but true stories about the way kids think.I was driving with my three young children one warm summer evening when a woman in the convertible ahead of us stood up and waved. She was stark naked! As I was reeling from the shock, I heard my five-year-old shout from the back seat, "Mom! That lady isn't wearing a seat belt!"___My son Zachary, 4, came screaming out of the bathroom to tell me he'd dropped his toothbrush in the toilet. So I fished it out and threw it in the garbage. Zachary stood there thinking for a moment, then ran to my bathroom and came out with my toothbrush. He held it up and said with a charming little smile, "We better throw this one out too then, 'cause it fell in the toilet a few days ago."___On the first day of school, a first grader handed his teacher a note from his mother. The note read, "The opinions expressed by this child are not necessarily those of his parents."___A woman was trying hard to get the catsup to come out of the jar. During her struggle the phone rang so she asked her four-year old daughter to answer the phone. "It's the minister, Mommy," the child said to her mother. Then she added, "Mommy can't come to the phone to talk to you right now. She's hitting the bottle."___A little boy got lost at the YMCA and found himself in the women's locker room. When he was spotted, the room burst into shrieks, with ladies grabbing towels and running for cover. The little boy watched in amazement and then asked, "What's the matter haven't you ever seen a little boy before?"___BIBLEA little boy opened the big family bible. He was fascinated as he fingered through the old pages. Suddenly, something fell out of the Bible. He picked up the object and looked at it. What he saw was an old leaf that had been pressed in between the pages. "Mama, look what I found", the boy called out. "What have you got there, dear"? With astonishment in the young boy's voice, he answered, "I think it's Adam's underwear!"___ --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a natural birth
...er...this is a joke, isn't it! I know she'd want to watch her figure, but to give birth through the foot is taking it a bit far. Sort of a female take on shooting oneself through the foot??? aviva - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reasons to avoid a "natural" birth This information was passed to me today from a an NCT colleague:"The Telegraph reports today that Claudia Schiffer had a baby boy yesterday at the Portland by cs . ' She had been hoping for a natural birth but was advised against it because she had injured her foot'. "Oh well ...Debbie SlaterPerth, WA --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Mild mannered man
A mild-mannered man was tired of being bossed around by his wife; so he went to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist said he needed to build his self-esteem, and so gave him a book on assertiveness, which he read on the way home. He had finished the book by the time he reached his house. The man stormed into the house and walked up to his wife. Pointing a finger in her face, he said, "From now on, I want you to know that *I* am the man of this house, and my word is law! I want you to prepare me a gourmet meal tonight, and when I'm finished eating my meal, I expect a sumptuous dessert afterward. Then, after dinner, you're going to draw me my bath so I can relax. And when I'm finished with my bath, guess who's going to dress me and comb my hair? "The funeral director," said his wife. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Read in the paper ...
Sued? Sued? How about strung up by the ...fill in the blanks. Aviva - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Read in the paper ... ... that a US OB is being sued for branding a women's uterus with the sign of his alma mater (the University of Kentucky) during a hysterectomy.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?
Now, that's an interesting slant on technology! aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Gyno? I have a friend who got her baby in by ivf but then got her baby out at home in a triumph of her ability as a woman! Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: "We did it ourselves!" from The Tao Te Ching --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth!
Fantabulous, Tory! Well done! I'm delighted for you all. Aviva - Original Message - From: Victoria Howell To: Midwifery Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth! Dear Ozmidders, I had to write and tell you about a recent birth I was privileged enough to be present at. I wrote to the list a few months ago because my sister-in-law had been told to have a c-section due to bad varicose veins in her legs. After passing on all the information and support I received from the list to her, shedecided to try for a vaginal birth and went and found an Ob who supported her decision. I travelled up to the Gold Coast a few weeks ago and she birthed while I was there. It was 4.5 hours from when her waters broke to when she birthed. She did it without any intervention (Private hospital !!?! WOW), on all fours and didn't even use the gas. The power of this woman was amazing Her husband wasn't interested in helping her during labour so I was really involved as a support person. It is one thing to be witnessing a birth as a student, but quite another when it is someone you love! Anyway, the whole experience was wonderful for all concerned and I wanted to thank the people on the list who were so helpful to us back in December. Cheers! Tory - Flinders University Student --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] post dates
Just keep on keeping on! Trust, trust, trust, trust, trust. aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] post dates The women I'm waiting with are challenging me... after waiting 16 daysaround Christmas time I am now at 19 days with one woman and 16 withanother... sigh... They are getting your 'baby will die' scenarios fromthe doctor but are both resistant to an induction! One felt 'a bitbullied' the doctor. Got some happy stories for me??My own happy story was that with my last baby I was 22 days over.. hewas born beautifully and still had vernix under his arms and in hisgroin. Sally WestburyHomebirth Midwife"You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good withoutshow or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you thinkought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that themother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born,the mother will rightly say: "We did it ourselves!"from The Tao Te Ching--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 21/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [Maternitycoalitonmidwives] news for Vic midwives
Sounds like 2003 has started well! Hooray! and Thank You to you all for doing such a wonderful, important, job. Aviva - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [Maternitycoalitonmidwives] news for Vic midwives This was quite a fruitful meeting, another two women attended alongsideAnne-Louise Carlton (a mother not sure how old her baby is?)Louise Milne-Roch newly appointed CEO of the Nurses Board Victoria, in thejob for just 8 days - came mainly as an observer but also to get a feel ofthe meeting content. Anne Fuller Jackson also attended, she will be doingmost of the research for the Discussion Paper to be put before Parliament inApril. They were a very interested group of women, quite understanding ofthe midwife role in different practice settings. Would love Justine Cainesto meet these women - my imagination is they would all gel well together.Will await the joint compilation of the meeting and then post it for all toread. The main emphasis for me was confirmation that common sense prevails -it was clear that the present professional indemnity saga was understood bythese women. Anne-Louise Carlton said while midwives do not have access toProfessional Indemnity there is no intention for the Nurses Board Victoriato participate in deregistration.There was a lot of common sense discussion about the different roles ofmidwifery as they currently stand and how best to deal with thesedifferences in the event of a separate Midwives Act. A fall back positionwas addressed that gave credence to a Health Practitioners Act.For me it established the need for women to hear us and for experiencedwomen (in childbirth) to make decisions for women at parliamentary level.Lots of healthy discussion and good political dialogue. Congratulations tothe very articulate consumer representative Leslie Arnott and her baby Claywho indulged in a long breastfeed, gurgled and farted a little then went offinto a beautiful satisfied sleep. I felt very proud of Leslie and herconfident approach, eloquent in the placement of her points for the needs ofwomen and babies.Just another point - Have also had a reply from my letter to Steve Bracks,Premier Vic will scan and post that soon also.Happy Birthdays to all and a special thought for Sue Cooksonregards, Robyn-Original Message-From: villagemidwife2002 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Maternitycoalitonmidwives] news for Vic midwivesDear allA group of MC members met with the Practitioner Regulation unit atthe health dept today. We will put together a report of the meetingAnne-Louise Carlton is manager, and she is interested in legislativereform - even to the extent of a Midwives Act. She wants to get newlegislation prepared for the Spring sitting of the parliament.A discussion paper on the review of health practitioner legislationwill be prepared, followed by an opportunity for public consultationand submissions, and a round of consultations with key stakeholders.This will all happen in the near future. EVERYONE will need torespond.If you have an opinion that you would like to air on this list,now's the time. The group who attended the meeting - Sue Budge,Robyn Thompson, Leslie Arnott (+ baby Clay), Pauline Ahearne and me -all preferred to option of total reform and a Midwives Act.If you have copies of the current legislation governing midwifery inother countries [or States of Oz]RT (esp those with Midwives Acts), or knowsomeone whocould get hold of it, please chase it up, and let me know. There isa long way to go yet, and legislative reform is only one step in thetotal reform package that we want to see, but the meeting seemedvery positive.Another matter to report is an interesting development in theprofessional indemnity insurance stuff. We have been assured at themeeting today that the legislation will not be further changed tomake it a mandatory requirement for registration - that this willremain a 'discretionary' power that the regulatory authority has (ieNurses Board). We have been told to seek clarification in writingfrom the Minister, which of course we will do. Yes Minister!I will be away for the next few days. We are renting Kerreen's placeat Phillip Island.I received an up to date copy of the list of MCH coordinators forthe State, so have attached it to the files on this site. I got itafter being ticked off for hand delivering birth notification formsto the centres, rather than going through the coordinators!Stay strongJoy JTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://au.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system
Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today
Could be racism, or they want the money. Oh, no no no, I'm not a cynic. There are greater experts than me on pregnancy. Over... aviva - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today I have a friend who is about 4 months pregnant - due in about June I think. She was telling me today that they want her to have an amniosentisis to check for Downs syndrome etc... She is 27 yrs old and this is her first shild with no history in the family of disability. Why would they want her to have a test like that done? She is not high risk as far as i can tell. the only other factor which I can think of and can not believe is that she is very dark skinned African and her husband a white Australian. Anyone got any idea why the hospital would request she do this? I told her of the risks that they had not mentioned. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 22:09:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Duck Aviva!! A pinards is the 'ear trumpet' that was used to listen to the baby's heart beat before the invention of sonicaids and monitors. I have a beautiful hand turned pinards made from ash. Sadly many 'modern' midwives don't have the comfidence to use one. Sally - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today OK, wot's pinards? (Is it so obvious I need to duck?) Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today That is fantastic! I use my pinards for all my antenatal visits too, as I don't like to putelectronic gadgets near a developing and sensitive babySally WestburyHomebirth Midwife --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar
Thanks to all about pinnards! I've been on the receiving end numerous times. To me, it was quaint, exciting and a fun part of being pregnant. I always wanted to hear the heartbeat, and stethoscopes were good for that. I'm thinking of getting a steth. for my Active Birthing women. Any comments? Love this list! Aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar Sally,I also have a pinnards that I use from time to time but I also use my dopplar. What I find is that there are times when one is more appropriate than the other. I find that to use the pinnards effectively I need to have the woman stationary ans in labour that proves tricky especially through contractions where as I can listen to the foetal heart through contractions easily by following the woman around. I can also listen to the FH underwater which I couldn't do. In other words it allows me to monitor the FH as I need/want to while allowing the woman to do what she needs/wants to.I agree using a Pinnards is a definite skill that needs to be practiced regularly. (I remember my OB used to listen with a stethescope and then offer it to me to listen and I could never hear it.) I prefer to listen to the FH for longer periods less often and find that to do this with the pinnards means asking the woman to be still, either lying down or upright or else I only hear it intermittently which I feel doesn't give me the information that I require. Sure that tells me the baby is alive but not how it is reacting to the changes in its environment.I also find that many woman and their families if given the choice, choose the dopplar because they like ti hear it. The woman don't need you to listen to it at all during pregnancy, They know mostly that their baby is OK because they feel it move and know it is growing but they still ask to listen to it and ask for it when their children, partners and parents are there.Like all things it is a choice that we all make in this high tech world in which we live like sitting in front of a computer screen and talking on my mobile phone that i wonder how I ever survived without. Imagine trying to run a solo independent practice without a mobile phone??Andrea QuanchiOn Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 10:01 PM, Sally Williams wrote: Duck Aviva!! --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today
Wonderful, Cas! I can see you doing it all so beautifully. Aviva - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Hi all!Just had a major win today and had to share. I am due to VBAC in midApril and I just got my obgyn to agree to no IV bung and no continuousmonitoring (except for 15 minutes per hour while in hospital unlessthere is foetal distress evident from intermittent monitoring). I wentinto my doc's office very nervous about confronting these issues andready to argue my case but he just agreed that my requests werereasonable and left it at that (even though he had insisted on both ofthese when I first talked to him)! At least now I can be sure to get hiswritten support of my birthplan so that I don't run into admin. andpolicy probs while in labour... A real weight off my mind.We are all set for the birth in April and I am loving getting to know mymidwife who will be with us for the labour and birth!Feeling positive, supported and encouraged...Cas.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today
Fantasties, Lieve! Aviva - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Congratulations, questions like yours let things change.You even can ask the midwife to listen with the doppler to the heartbeat instead off the monitor. It will be difficult to have each hour 15 minutes ofmonitoring when labor will go on really. You are stricted in moving aroundand in the positions you can take.Intermittend listening to the heartbeat has proven to be safe and gives alot more comfort to you.I will have this month the first mother that I can support as midwife duringVBAC in the hospital. In my neighbourhood we are not allowed as independentmidwives to support our mothers in the hospital. At last I found a hospitalin Antwerp were they are supportive to us.She talked to the gyn, she doesn't need to have an IV, she can stay at hometill labor is really established. She can give birth in the tub. The gynonly comes when there is a problem.I find it really exciting and I am very curieus how it will end.Warm greetingsLieve --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today
OK, wot's pinards? (Is it so obvious I need to duck?) Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today That is fantastic! I use my pinards for all my antenatal visits too, as I don't like to putelectronic gadgets near a developing and sensitive babySally WestburyHomebirth Midwife --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Women
Now, here's an interesting one: UCLA STUDY ON FRIENDSHIP AMONG WOMEN By Gale BerkowitzTaylor, S. E., Klein, L.C., Lewis, B. P. , Gruenewald, T. L.,Gurung,R.A. R., Updegraff, J. A. (2000). "Female Responses to Stress: Tendand Befriend, Not Fight or Flight", Psychological Review, 107(3),41-429.A landmark UCLA study suggests friendships between women are special.They shape who we are and who we are yet to be. They soothe ourtumultuous inner world, fill the emotional gaps in our marriage, andhelp us remember who we really are. By the way, they may do even more.Scientists now suspect that hanging out with our friends can actuallycounteract the kind of stomach-quivering stress most of us experience on a daily basis. A landmark UCLA study suggests that women respond tostress with a cascade of brain chemicals that cause us to make andmaintain friendships with other women. It's a stunning find that hasturned five decades of stress research--- most of it on men---upsidedown. "Until this study was published, scientists generally believedthat when people experience stress, they trigger a hormonal cascade that revs the body to either stand and fight or flee as fast as possible,"explains Laura Cousin Klein, Ph.D., now an Assistant Professor ofBiobehavioral Health at Penn State University and one of the study'sauthors. "It's an ancient survival mechanism left over from the time wewere chased across the planet by saber-toothed tigers."Now the researchers suspect that women have a larger behavioralrepertoire than just "fight or flight." In fact," says Dr. Klein, "itseems that when the hormone oxytocin is released as part of the stressresponses in a woman, it buffers the "fight or flight" response andencourages her to tend children and gather with other women instead.When she actually engages in this tending or befriending, studiessuggest that more oxytocin is released, which further counters stressand produces a calming effect. This calming response does not occur inmen", says Dr. Klein, "because testosterone---which men produce in highlevels when they're under stress---seems to reduce the effects ofoxytocin. Estrogen ", she adds,"seems to enhance it."The discovery that women respond to stress differently than men was made in a classic "aha!" moment shared by two women scientists who weretalking one day in a lab at UCLA. "There was this joke that when thewomen who worked in the lab were stressed, they came in, cleaned thelab, had coffee, and bonded", says Dr. Klein. "When the men werestressed, they holed up somewhere on their own. I commented one day tofellow researcher Shelley Taylor that nearly 90% of the stress researchis on males. I showed her the data from my lab, and the two of us knewinstantly that we were onto something." The women cleared theirschedules and started meeting with one scientist after another fromvarious research specialties. Very quickly, Drs. Klein and Taylordiscovered that by not including women in stress research, scientistshad made a huge mistake: The fact that women respond to stressdifferently than men has significant implications for our health. It may take some time for new studies to reveal all the ways that oxytocinencourages us to care for children and hang out with other women, butthe "tend and befriend" notion developed by Drs. Klein and Taylor mayexplain why women consistently outlive men. Study after study has foundthat social ties reduce our risk of disease by lowering blood pressure,heart rate, and cholesterol. "There's no doubt," says Dr. Klein, thatfriends are helping us live longer." In one study, for example,researchers found that people who had no friends increased their risk of death over a 6-month period. In another study, those who had the mostfriends over a 9-year period cut their risk of death by more than 60%.Friends are also helping us live better. The famed Nurses' Health Studyfrom Harvard Medical School found that the more friends women had, theless likely they were to develop physical impairments as they aged, andthe more likely they were to be leading a joyful life. In fact, theresults were so significant, the researchers concluded, that not havingclose friends or confidants was as detrimental to your health as smoking or carrying extra weight! And that's not all! When the researcherslooked at how well the women functioned after the death of their spouse, they found that even in the face of this biggest stressor of all, thosewomen who had a close friend and confidante were more likely to survivethe experience without any new physical impairments or permanent loss of vitality. Those without friends were not always so fortunate.Yet if friends counter the stress that seems to swallow up so much ofour life these days, if they keep us healthy and even add years to ourlife, why is it so hard to find time to be with them? That's a questionthat also troubles researcher Ruthellen Josselson, Ph.D.,
Re: [ozmidwifery] New member...
Welcome, Victoria! Great you've introduced yourself. I hope you get a lot out of being here, as I have and do. I'm sure you have plenty to offer. Aviva http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Feel good quote
I like that! Here's one I received this evening: I heard a comment yesterday that I just can't get out of my mind: "When was the last time you did something for the first time in your life"... aviva - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: ozmidwifery Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Feel good quote Nice little feel good quote that I just came across When I stopped seeing my mother with the eyes of a child, I sawthe woman who helped me give birth to myself. Alesa Alesa KoziolMidwifery Clinical EducatorMelbourne --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] On the radio/sleep
Fed up with being kicked out of bed by two young children, I bought a king-size bed years ago. I agree about sex-life does not have to be restricted to bed and nighttime. Only problem with my sex life has been finding someone to have one with! Not much of interest on offer. It seems all the good men are taken. sigh With Leslie being 19 and living with a delightful lass, Rosie 15 shortly, it's been a while since they wanted to snuggle upwith Mother! The bed is blissful. Grins, Aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] On the radio/sleep Hi barbthat response stops em dead! -I was working in a postnatal ward years ago inNZ and a midwife was getting off on how whilst working as a plunket nurse(MCH) she has shown all the tongans and Samoans in Auckland how to make bedsout of bottom drawers to get their babies out of their beds -then, as Iventured that my baby slept in our bed and I would be worried about himrolling out of a drawer, she pompously added -MY husband and I never let ababy come between OUR sex life -my response was exactly that - do you onlymake love in bed -at night?Pinky- Original Message -From: " barbara glare chris bright" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ozmidwifery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:20 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] On the radio/sleep Hi, I was listening to the local radio today. A lovely midwife (anyone weknow) spoke about how, at the hospital she works at, they encourage mothers to sleep with their babies. But then at the end she mentioned a friend ofhers sleeps with their 5 year old, and that was taking it a bit far. The radio announcer made great sport of how ridiculous that was, and what it must do to the parents sex life. Every ounce of my being wanted to ring and exclaim "What? You only havesex at night? In bed!" But I was driving and had no mobile... But a good plug for babies being tucked up with their mums in hospital,and how that was settleing for the babies, and easier for mums Love, Barb --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] Future Birth reminder
Anyone else in Adelaide want to register with me for discount? Aviva - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Future Birth reminder Hi everyone,Just a quick reminder that all of you who want to take advantage of the cheap registration for this special event have until January 31st to get yourselves organised!The groups are the most popular way of saving money and you will need to send in a form (please photocopy the ones you were sent in November) for each person plus the one cheque or credit card details.For those of you who are coming by yourselves, registering on-line will give you an extra saving and this is really easy at http://www.birthinternational.com/event/futbirth2003/index.htmlI know you will want to hear these special speakers and this is a rare opportunity to hear Caroline Flint, Britain's best loved and most dynamic midwife!Looking forward to seeing you all,Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: [ozmidwifery] pregnant woman on front page of The Age
Yes, please, Jen. Good on you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] big ta, aviva - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pregnant woman on front page of The Age Hi all,I've finally scanned the article if anyone would like me to email itto them, I'd be happy to. In order to have the font legible, photosdecent, my limited computer knowledge, the files are rather big.Cheers, Jen --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 31/12/02
Fw: [ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy
Hi, and thank you for the replies. latest in the saga follows. aviva - Original Message - From alice To: Aviva Sheb'a Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy well Aviva, the shit hit the fan last night. i decided we weren't having a pond, jonathan decided we were having a pond. he maintained his point abouthavingourkids withinsight all the time, i said that's impossible to guarantee, especially with a toddler, andit would constantly be stress in the back of my mind, so he proceeded to list all the potential dangers in the world, like electricity, cars, my sewing machine, you name it..so i said that there are some things we can't control, there are some things we can, so we need to minimise riskswherever possible which does not mean creating another potential hazard because 'the world is a dangerous place anyway'.he said he could build a fence around it, but i think being such a small area would defeat the whole purpose and also create a cluttered looking area, and by the time it was established we would be moving out anyway..it was a completely inneffective and frustrating argument with 2 fiery people both with their heels stuck firmly in the ground...so in the end he got the shit's "Fine, i'll fill in the fucking pond!!!" and stormed outside and filled it in in a huff. Not exactly desired outcome, but hey, we don't have to worry about the pond anymore. Now it's just about restoring our communication since he was ignoring me after that hmmm Alice xxx - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To alice Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy Hi, Alice, Here's one answer. Yes, one can put a screen over the pond, but you really have to make sure the bub is absolutely unable to get to the water at all. - Original Message - From rita To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy Hi Avivia, A suggestion for the off the planet father and the pond. Many people that make ponds in there yards place a large screen over the pone, that does not distract from the beauty of the water and provides safety for the toddler. Any hardware store especially the larger ones will be able to provide details on which type is safest and how to place over the top. Hope this helps. Yours in childbirth andthe of Friendship Rita --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 31/12/02
[ozmidwifery] autism in bmj
US study shows 10-fold increase in autism over the past 20 years http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7380/71?etoc --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 31/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Happy Dragons
excellent idea! In Adelaide? Date? Place? love, aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Happy Dragons Then we will really have a big party!!Pinky- Original Message - From: "Jan Robinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "ozmidwifery" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:07 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Happy Dragons Dear Aviva, Pinky Hope you lucky dragons have fifty happy birthdays more to come. From a lucky golden dragon Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] 2 births in 2 nights
How wonderful, Tania! Congratulations to you all. Any chance of making your font a tad larger? I had to enlarge it so as not to sit here cross eyed. The peepers ain't what they used to be. Hugs and love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 2 births in 2 nights Hi all, Just had to send a quick mail, as I've been getting so much strength and encouragement from this list, to let you all know that Wendy and I attended a wonderful first birth on Tuesday night, with baby Samuel born through water, into his mum and dad's loving arms, whilst his grandmother, two Aunts and friend prayed him into the world. It was a truly amazing experience, and wonderful to be involved in the gathering of many strong and faithfultrusting women. Between us, I counted that we had 26 children! And then baby Samuel, 4.2kgs of him, made 23. Wethen were called to the second birth of another woman last night, who has been niggling for nearly a week, and then went quiet over Tues and Tues night, when she knew we would be too far away to be with her. Having had a 3 hour first birth, we (and she) thought it might be quick this time. She had a couple of moderate contractions and was just telling Wendy how it gets a bit difficult to concentrate at this stage, when she stood up, walked a few steps, and said that her baby was coming. Little Evelyn was born into her dads hands less than a minute later, standing in the doorway to the bathroom. 10 minutes later, I arrived,knowing already that I had missed the birth, but so happy to share in that wonderful time just afterwards. These women are always so thankful for everything we do, words are not enough to communicate to them what an honour it is to be asked to be there, and what amazing teachers they are. Tania --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thankyou all and signing off
Dear Sue, Have a great rest and may you return with renewed energy, enthusiasm, and lust for life very soon. Giant hugs, Aviva - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thankyou all and signing off Thanks to all of you for your words of encouragement and advice.I will sign off now - to regroup and recover and think long and hard aboutmidwifery service.Please feel free to contact me separately at any time.Keep the fires burning and the bastards honest!!Sue--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie born film producer
Thanks, Ann. Would you let me know more when you have info? Sounds great. Aviva - Original Message - From: Ann green To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie born film producer Dear Aviva,It was just a note about an Aussie born producer.Theirfirst movie has made it to the Robert Redfordfestival.It is called The Technical Writer.A secondmovie should be out mid 2003.Ann--- Aviva Sheb'a[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Ann, This may sound silly, but I don't remember exactly what this was about. Would you mind bunging the question and its original message on if possible!? Too much info comes to my computer to keep it all in the front of my mind, which is easily distracted. Ta. Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
[ozmidwifery] Fw: howdy
Dear All, Here's the latest from Alice. She needs support not with Luna, but with her man. As I've never parented with a partner, I am no expert at dealing with off the planet fathers. Any and all advice welcome please! Aviva - Original Message - From alice To: aviva Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: howdy Hi Aviva, Hope you're well. I've been having a great time with Luna's night time sleeping! Proud to say that she slept from 10pm till 5:30am this morning - woo hoo - what a little gem! On another note, we have a slight issue on the domestic front. As part of Jonathan's master plan for the garden, he has dug a hole for a pond on the flower side of the garden (as opposed to the native low-water side) and it just dawned on me that this is basically a death trap for a toddler which i brought gently to his attention, merely suggesting that we need to make it child safe or not at all. And the next day Jonathan said in these exact words "I have come to the conclusion with the pond issue that I want tokeep the pond and since it's too hard to build a fence around it, we can never let Luna out of our sight and it won't be a problem." This comment is clear evidence that he has absolutely no idea what looking after a toddler will entail, so i have come to the conclusion that we are not having a pond and now it is my challenge to find a way for Jonathan to think it's his idea not to keep the pond.hmmmespecially since i will be the one caring for her most of the time, and especially since it would probably be when daddy is looking after her that she gets out of his sight quite often, i will not have this impending danger on my doorstep every day. Sometimes he is so unrealistic i find it very frustrating, like i'm the one who always has to bring him back down to earth with a hard thud. Also, you know how we are going to the Rainbow Serpent festival 24-26 Jan? Well, that's all cool, i'm confident everything will go relatively smoothly (despite Jonathan's objections about protecting Luna from the sun "She has to get used to it sometime") and we have been given a 2 for 1 voucher for the movies, which is for that week as well. So Jonathan says "Cool, we can go and see the movie the night before we go to the festival, your parents can look after Luna with a bottle of your breastmilk, then we will go to the festival the next day." Ok, for a start i don't want to give her a bottle yet, also i don't want her first babysitting experience to be right before we go camping because it is bound to upset her routine, and besides i don't really give a shit about the movie, so he can take his friend, Sam. I'm happy to stay home and rest and get prepared for our adventure. Jonathan's attitude to the sun really pisses me off. YOu can tell he grew up in Canada, not Australia. Besides that he gets sunburnt nearly every day at work, tells me it's a 'controlled burn' to build up a tolerance to the sun!?!?!?!?!?!! He says that since we will be enjoying an outdoor type beachy lifestyle eventually, there is no point protecting her from the sun, she needs to build up a resistance. So i told him that if i see him with her out in the sun unprotected for one second i'm going to bash him. It's as if he has no idea about the fragility of a baby. He thinks i'm overreacting to the dangers of the sun. Even when we are outside and it's not that sunny, she still squints from the glare of the sky, even when we are under shade and Jonathan's like "Well she has to get used to it" and of course she will but she's only a baby Everything's very sensitive right now, she has only just entered this world! No amount of forcing her to look at glare is going to help her eyes, Jonathan has this thing about building up her tolerance for things which in a way is true, but geez, need to be aware of her development, which he has no interest in since 'our baby is not like other babies'. I can see his point, but i feel like he is forcing things on her before she is ready, and he has no interest in finding out about when she might be ready, oraccepting the observationthat she's obviously not ready, just wants her to grow up and accept the way he wants her to be before she is ready. I feel like telling him to piss of for a few months so she can just be a baby for a while then come back, maybe a few years. Well, of course i am exaggerating. He is a brilliant dad and very affectionate and caring with LUna, but sometimes his head is in the clouds. Sorry to sound like thisis a bitch session about Jonathan, but these things are onmy mind and they will be dealt with successfully, i just have to get it off my chest, helps me look at the situation more rationally. He is a gem and i love him to bits, but it just seems like lately i have to be the sensible one, moreso since he is so unrealistic at times, and i hate seeming like a party pooper to burst his unrealistic bubble
Re: [ozmidwifery]breastfeeding
Isn't it marvellous how adaptable, flexible, strong both women and babies can be! Aviva - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]breastfeeding Hi Kartini, LoisI have not experienced many inverted nipples that could not respond to'pulling'. One woman who had both nipples inverted used a 'nipple puller'that attached over the nipple and the baby managed to suck happily on thatfor a few weeks until the nipples were drawn out enough to attach properly.Currently I have a woman who has just had her third child. She has a badlyinverted left nipple (almost to the point of being a bifid nipple. She didnot manage to get it out with her first baby. Her second baby did attach buthe didn't like it and so she gave it away after some months of expressingthe breast to pull the nipple out then attaching him. He still fed off theother side though as it had a flat nipple that responded quiet well afterthe effort his older sibling had put into bringing it out.The third pregnancy saw this woman expressing with the breast pump to tryand get the bifid nipple to come out for a week before the third baby wasborn with little success. The third baby is able to attach but definitelydoesn't like being there. She has been offered the inverted nipple firsteach feed time while she has her most powerful sucking action. There isobviously some mammery tissue but not a lot compared to the other side sothis time the mother is not going to persevere with it at all and just feedthe baby off the right breast.Mother and baby are both happy with this situation that will no doubtcontinue until the baby weans. As her two boys fed successfully from onebreast for a few years each I have no doubts that this little girl will dolikewise.Jan --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
[ozmidwifery] Re: Vietnam Veteran Entertainers
Dear Caroline, Happy New Year! May 2003 be a spectacularly successful, happy and healthy year for you. Thank you for the email...Iam forwarding this reply complete with your message to the ozmidwifery list. Best wishes, Aviva - Original Message - From: Caroline Winnall To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Vietnam Veteran Entertainers Aviva,I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New Year break. In one of your last emails you mentioned that you had a friend who was a midwife and new women with lots of amazing "if only" stories. As it now stands we will be making a trip down to Adelaide to film some stories. Therefore, if any women feel they have an interesting "If only" story they would like to share on camera I would love to hear from them. Following is a short brief on the show:The new SBS documentary series, "if only" includes the real life stories of people who have a regret or unease about an event or decision in their past. Perhaps they are looking for resolution or perhaps they simply wonder what would have happened "if only" they had/hadn't done a certain thing.We are looking for a mixture of serious and light-hearted stories. The stories will be filmed in a sensitive documentary style and will only include material that the participants are happy for us to use.If anyone is interested in contacting me they can either email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone on (02) 9430 3908.Thank you AvivaKind Regards,Caroline WinnallResearcher"if only"SBS Televisionph: 61 2 9430 3908fax: 61 2 9438 1590 "Aviva Sheb'a" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/02 09:59pm Dear Ms Winnall,I understand you are looking for stories. Rather than waffle on here, here's a link to my web site. http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva I'd be delighted to hear from you if you are interested. Best wishes,Aviva Sheb'a3/64 Charles StreetNorwood SA 5067tel/fax: (08) 8333 2762[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] DISHEARTENED ANGRY AND ASHAMED
Just a thought -- perhaps I'm too cynical, but there wouldn't be -- ahem -- obs, midwives etc who'd -- ahem -- 'punish' women for making them work on their holidays??? Oh, surely not? Aviva - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] DISHEARTENED ANGRY AND ASHAMED Hi all,Am writing my last missive to this list but would love some replies before Isign off.I was in attendance at a Christmas day birth.41 week 34 year old primip, everything normal in pregnancy, but enduredsevere pain in early labour and was unable to 'break through' this. So, 24hrs after SRM, and 12 hours of severe pain, 3 cms and needing help. Lightmec with some tachchardia.Arrival at hospital at 7.30 amFirst midwife (older and 'very experienced') declared baby to be eitherbreech or OP. Wee in this cup she demanded to a woman who was screaming inpain. Lie here then and examined her through a contraction ...probably OP... --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF
Isn't turning 50 just the best?! I did it with a bang (oh damn, notthat sort of bang) in May...can heartily recommend it for who haven't already! I know so many of the same age. Must have been a great year! Aviva - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Hi Pinky, You are probably right about the exhaustion. Having done depression since those days I can look back and say that I probably was a tad PND orientated. Anyway, I have just done the big 50 and had not a bad party for that one (lamb on a spit, flaming poi twirling by a Kiwi midwife, Bellydancingby myself etc)so I reckon the party bit is ok now. Judy From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:24:09 +1100 Hi Judy, I actually suspect quite a lot of extreme exhaustion could be undiagnosed PND -then the abrupt cessation of breastfeeding causes hormone withdrawal as well as the tight tits/ fevers, which makes things feel worse - what a dreadful 21st birthday!!! You know you could have a 'not 21' party to make up! Pinky Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
[ozmidwifery] Fw: bmj.com: Press releases
Long in total, worth a good gander at it. Aviva - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: bmj.com: Press releases * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *UK health news: Each weekday you can receive by email theheadlines of the health stories that have appeared in the UK national press. Visit: http://bmj.com/uknews/* * * * * * Sponsored by BMJ Publishing Group * * * * * bmj.com Customised @lerts: Press Releases for Saturday, 04 January 2003--bmj.com: http://bmj.com/This issue's table of contents: http://bmj.com/content/vol326/issue7379/Press Releases for this issue: http://bmj.com/content/vol326/issue7379/press_release.shtmlDaily summaries of health stories appearing in the UK Press http://bmj.com/uknews/ --bmj.com -- Press Releases__Releases Saturday 4 January 2003No 7379 Volume 326Please remember to credit the BMJ as source when publicising anarticle and to tell your readers that they can read its full text on thejournal's web site (http://bmj.com).If your story is posted on a website please include a link back tothe source BMJ article (URL's are given under titles).__(1) Breast feeding can relieve pain during medical procedures(2) One in five GPs in England want to quit(3) Concerns over drug industry creation of new diseases(4) Men with diabetes father smaller babies__(1) Breast feeding can relieve pain during medical procedures(Analgesic effect of breast feeding in term neonates:randomised controlled trial )http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7379/13Breast feeding during a painful procedure reduces theresponse to pain in newborn infants, finds a study in thisweek's BMJ.Researchers identified 180 healthy newborn infants undergoingvenepuncture (a common procedure in which a vein is piercedto withdraw blood). During the procedure, infants were eitherbreastfed, held in their mother's arms without breast feeding,given 1ml of sterile water as placebo, or given 1ml of glucosesolution followed by a pacifier.Pain related behaviour was evaluated using recognised painrating scales, and video recordings of the procedure wereassessed by two observers blinded to the purpose of thestudy.Pain scores varied significantly among the groups. Of 44infants in the breastfeeding group, 16 showed no indication atall that the venepuncture and blood sampling had evenoccurred. No reduction in pain response was seen in infantswho were simply held in their mother's arms, possibly becausethese infants were dressed and did not have skin to skincontact with their mothers, say the authors."Our findings are clinically important as they show that naturalprotective mechanisms may safely and non-invasively beactivated by breast feeding during medical procedures," theyconclude.Contact:Ricardo Carbajal, Paediatrician, Unite Douleur Hopitald'Enfants, Armand Trousseau,Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED](2) One in five GPs in England want to quit(National survey of job satisfaction and retirement intentionsamong general practitioners in England)http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7379/22The proportion of general practitioners intending to quit directpatient care within the next five years has risen from 14% in1998 to 22% in 2001, finds a study in this week's BMJ.Researchers surveyed 1,949 general practitioner principals inEngland about their intentions to quit direct patient care andthe factors that could be associated with this (790 weresurveyed in 1998 and 1,159 in 2001).The proportion of general practitioners who were under 65years of age and intending to quit direct patient care within thenext five years rose from 14% in 1998 to 22% in 2001. Thisrise was due mainly to a decline in job satisfaction (mean of4.64 in 1998 to 3.96 in 2001) together with a slight increase inthe proportion of doctors from ethnic minorities and in themean age of doctors.This finding is likely to be a source for concern to the NHS butat least partly reflects wider societal trends, say the authors.The organisation and governance of general practice hasgreatly changed in recent years, and doctors may beexperiencing difficulty in adapting to these changes. Jobdissatisfaction among general practitioners may additionallyreflect a more global discontent of doctors with their changingrole in society, they suggest.The results need to be treated cautiously as doctors' intentionsto quit may not translate into action, they add. However, if asfew as half of those reported here actually leave, this wouldstill be cause for concern given the current shortage of generalpractitioners.Given that job satisfaction is an important factor underlyingintention to quit, improving this aspect of
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings
Oh, Hearty Congratulations!!! aviva - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings Hi CherylYes, I had my New Year baby, but closer to midnight on New Year's Day ratherthan first thing in the morning ...Anna Cassandra (4700g and 42 and a half weeks by dates) arrived into thearms of her mother, cheered on by the whole support team, Father andbrothers, Grandma and good friend and me.Almost a twenty four hour labour, long for a third, but I think a low-lyinganterior placenta had a lot to do with the slow start, also the membranesremained intact right until the end (as had her mother's when she was born,so her mother told me). My client did lots of walking in the fresh air during the morning, used MaryMurphy's magic Western Australian pain cream and back massage (thanks Mary)and lots of supportive soothing words in the afternoon. She graduated to thewonderful water in the pool in the late evening, but STOOD UP TO GIVE BIRTH(you'd like that Jackie, but I forgot to wear my "Get up and Give BirthT-shirt) Oh, well, there's always next year for some great homebirth publicity.Right now I'm on a high and preparing for the next two births.Cheryl, I'll be crossing my fingers that you give birth a few seconds intoAustralia Day and your baby becomes entrenched in Australian history as thefirst Australia Day baby to be born!I'll be watching the papers and this list.Thanks for all the interest and supportJan --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
[ozmidwifery] Happy New Year!
May 2003 be beautiful, happy, healthy, love-filled, and may life be kind to you. -- Aviva and Rosie --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies!
It's only taken me a month to get around to looking up "Lady" in Blackie's Compact Etymological Dictionary. "Lady, n. O.E. hlaefdige, f. hlaf, bread, LOAF + (prob.) root dip- , as in Goth. deigan, to knead. DOUGH. LORD. Formerly, the mistress of a household. A female ruler; the Virgin Mary; a woman of high position in society or of good breeding; part of the custormary designation of certain women of high rank." Alas, it doesn't say exactly when the term came about, but O.E. being Old English means it's a bloody long time ago. I think Female Ruler is a good term for women, especially in labour and birthing! Female Ruler does not imply being at all submissive -- on the contrary, it implies just the opposite. It doesn't say anything about sitting with the legs together. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons long, full dresses were worn, was so that women -- ladies -- could sit with their legs apart without men getting carried away, also it meant being able to wear sanitary pads, which were more like nappies, without it being obvious. Another entry: "Girl" Origin obscure.A female child. No wonder I don't like being referred to as a girl. Female children don't get much credit in our society as a rule. I love being a woman, a lady, a femme. Shall we reclaim the title, Lady? Aviva - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies! Dear kathleen I agree with what you say re Lady tagg. Can anyone with an etymological dictionary explain the derivation of woman I just here WOE MAN when it is said and the rib from Adam stuff, man came/ comes first therefore women are God's afterthought?? Denise - Original Message - From: Kathleen Fahy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Carolyn Hastie ; Lyn Ebert Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies! Dear Aviva, I am one of those people who object to the term 'lady' and here is why. Lady is a term that has a particular set of expected behaviours. Those behaviours are the traditional feminine and submissive ones. Some women like behaving like ladies as it gains approval and assistance. Other women don't like behaving in those ways, or at least not all the time. In other words we don't want those expectations of behaviour put upon us by others. Thus, I cringe when I hear women who are the clients of midwifery services referred to as 'ladies' instead of 'women'. The concept of woman has not such behavioural expectations associated with it. Best wishes, Kathleen --Kathleen FahyProfessor of MidwiferyHead of School of Nursing and MidwiferyFaculty of HealthThe University of NewcastleUniversity Drive,Callaghan, 2308 Ph 02 49215966 Fax 02 49216981 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/02 11:04am Hello, All, I refer to myself as a human being, a woman, as a lady, but most importantly, as me. One of my definitions of Woman: Woe to any man who attempts to harness me! A very dear male friend of mine defines a lady as a woman who has the patience to sit while the gentleman goes around to make her life just that little bit easier for a moment, by opening the car door and hold it open for her...to show his appreciation of her. After all, if she's wearing a dress, /or high heels, OR is pregnant, mothering, menopausing, PMT-ing, or otherwise feeling in any way vulnerable, small acts like opening heavy doors etc., can make her life easier. Personally, I like that. It was only when I was pregnant with Leslie and found opening very heavy doors to public buildings, and standing in trams became an issue for me, that I realised being a lady DID NOT mean sitting with one's knees together, but meant allowing others to make my life pleasanter. Enough of my prattling...I have some wonderful news! I'll put it in a separate email, so for those who have had no interest in the lady bit will still read it! Love to all the women, ladies, gents etc. on the list, Aviva - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers for ladies! Dear Pinky I enjoyed and then thought about what the title we use for ourselves means etymologically, overtly and co-vertly. Do I refer to myself as a Woman, lady or girl?? Which do I prefer and why. Possibly neither!Denise --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby Whew! What a story, or should I say, stories! If you wrote that in a fiction, you'd cop flak from experts on writing saying nobody would believe it, you'd better cut it down! yes, life does that sort of thing to people. Well done all round! Love to all, Aviva I was on a high all the next week visiting three new babies distributed over the east, west and central Sydney area and Ill never forget the events of that 24 hour period, three babies arriving close together and a deepening of my appreciation of my selfless colleague who gave up her much valued family time to be with one of my women.PSI talked to Maggie Banks last year who told me that she had been with this Maori woman when she had her second baby. She had told her the story of the two Sydney midwives who had helped her with her first baby.PPSHope someone else has got some reflections about more than one labouring mum to add to the list and entertain us with their reflections over the New Year period.Hope you all have a happy and fulfilling year ahead and may happy Mums and babies abound.Jan Robinson --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Accupuncturist in Adelaide
Hi there, All, This is really useful info as I'm in Adelaide too. Thanks, Tania. Lotsalove, Aviva - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Accupuncturist in Adelaide Hi Caroline, There is an accupuncturist who was working in the research department at the Women's and Children's hospital, conducting a trial (which has since finished) on the use of accupuncture and its effect on morning sickness. I think her name is Caroline Smith, and I reckon she's still at the hospital, you could find out by giving them a call. I'm pretty sure she was also taking on private clients. The others I would personally recommend are Jenny Chou, who works in Prospect, ph 8269 7422, and the Oon brothers, Francis and Robert, who are at Magill, ph 8331 3210. Also I've heard that AnneMarie Morrissy is very good, in Stepney, ph 8362 0899. Hope this helps Tania --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] gday!
G'day, Kartini, and welcome! Aviva http://www.chariot.net.au/~aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby
Hearty congratulations to you and the family, Rosemary! Well done! Aviva - Original Message - From: Rosemary Wayne Weckert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby Hello all Merry Christmas. I was lucky enough to be at the birth of a Christmas Day baby. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 17/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together
Lieve Lieve, Wat is het mooi. You're doing wonderful things for your people. I wish you sterkte and liefde. Aviva --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Merry Christmas
Thank you for everything, Kim. I hope you have awonderful break -- you've done a brilliant job of the list. May 2003 be a spectacular year for you. Aviva - Original Message - From: Kim Hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Merry Christmas Hi everyone,Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas anda wonderful New Year.I will be on holidays now until 14 January.In case any of you are having any problemsI will be checking my email from time totime over the next three weeks, so bepatient and I will do my best to deal withthe problems and to keep up with all that'shappening on the list.Until next year, have a safe festive season.RegardsKim (your friendly List Admin)---Kim HunterList AdministrationBirth InternationalACE Graphics and Associates in Childbirth Educationhttp://www.birthinternational.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP
I don't know if this is still going...Council for Single Mothers andTheir Children. Carolyn Chisholm Society? Find them in phone book? She'll need all the support she can get. Please pass her my best wishes and, if she needs contact with a single mother who has survived it all with two, she can have my email address. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aviva - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP Dear Listers I have a client single mum 1st babe looking for helpwith every thing after babe .any contacts She is birthing in a private hospital in May and lives in Port Melbourne in Victoria jan --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Suggestions sought
I can relate to that. Suggestion 1: cradle babe in arm, as relaxed as possible (!), extend nipple with other hand and brushthe tip of nipple along the cheek from near babe's ear to near her mouth. Babe ought to get enough warning food's in the vicinity to make her open her mouth wide, taking the whole thing. Suggestion 2: test sucking technique by letting her suck on your finger. Is she taking a lot of the finger and sucking strongly, or just licking? If she's not taking enough in, with flat tongue, you put your finger in over her tongue, which may assist train her. I don't know if that's a very good description -- anyone improve on that? Alice had trouble with Luna for a few days, and these techniques worked, as they did when my babe, Leslie, had same trouble. Never know it to see how the lad's always wolfed anything that resembles nourishment! No wonder we call him Hollow Legslie! I hope it's resolved easily and quickly. Aviva - Original Message - From: Debbie Field To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Suggestions sought Hi, I recently had my daughter at home. A great birth experience...however the breastfeeding is really testing me out. I have used formula in a bottle to allow my breasts to heal while also expressing to maintain my milk supply. My baby girl is 17 days old and i am still having trouble with my attachment. She continually adjusts to a small mouth. Any suggestions. deb --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 7/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today
...so Prevention is feminine...is Intervention masculine then? aviva - Original Message - From: Alphia Garrety To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Great quote Mary,Where is it from?At 06:07 PM 12/12/02 +0800, you wrote: Quote of the Week"Prevention is a worthy and good cause. The problem is that her cousin, intervention, likes to follow only a few paces behind."- Mayri Sagady Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)PhD. CandidateSchool of Sociology and Justice StudiesBankstown Campus, University of Western SydneyUWS Locked Bag 1797South Penrith Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 97726584 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie born film producer
fantastic! we do far better overseas than at home, which is a very common story worldwide...hey, Pinky...er...? Any more info on that, Ann? Web link? Aviva - Original Message - From: Ann green To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Aussie born film producer Dear List,I know the following has nothing to do with midwiferybut thought movie buffs would like to know that amovie produced by an Aussie born woman and her husbandhas made it to the Robert Redford film festival.It iscalled "The Technical Writer" --- Ann__Do You Yahoo!?Everything you'll ever need on one web pagefrom News and Sport to Email and Music Chartshttp://uk.my.yahoo.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccinations - Making Choices
VERY interested! what about availability offline? - Original Message - From: Debbie Field To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccinations - Making Choices Hi all, Thought some of you may be interested in a CD or Video of a seminar recently held on Vaccinations. These were thekeynote speakers:Dr Mark Donohue Dr Archie Kalokerinos Dr Robyn Cosford Maureen Hickman Meryl Doovey Marelle Burnum Burnum Michael Mcinerney the AVN site http://www.avn.org.au/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODStore_Code=AVNIProduct_Code=SV has the products for sale at a very reasonable price. Hope this helps yourself or others with a very important choice. deb xx --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] interview
good one, Pinky! I'm glad it's not only Jewish people who don't like the reindeer shtick! ;-)8 aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] interview Hi Aviva, very nice, thanks- the hostess has a 10 month old and a nine year old - she's Ms megabyte on the Today show. Pro-breastfeeding, says her mantra has been "Its not my time to sleep"and baby has just started sleeping through - didnt get into the area of birth though -so maybe some hiccups around that or maybe sticking to the point of Crying and breastfeeding - a "light" show. I am going back next week -topic spiritual parenting -I have an article 'Karma kids' in the current issue of Vogue Kids -some lovely interviews -one with midwife Jane Myers re her celebration of her first baby.will centre a bit round kids and Christmas - maybe the Christmas baby?? If I see any more reindeers I will puke!! Pinky --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife
Jolly good idea, Mary. Bowen is brilliant for shifting emotional as well as physical, etc. which is how I became a Bowen practitioner. I've had a chat over the phone with the young woman. What a sweetie. I think we're on her way up. Is seeing someone for fibromyalgia. All suggestions gratefully received. Aviva - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Hi, my thoughts flew instantly to The Bowen Method which is most often used to heal physical ailments but has a place in the treatment of dyslexia and ADHD and emotional problemsetc. I am sure there is a practitioner in your area. Contact them and enquire. best wishes, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Victoria Howell To: Midwifery Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Dear List,It's Tory Howell ( B-mid student in SA) and I have an urgent request for some help. I have just had a phone call from a girlfriend who is a GP. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 6/12/02
