Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC and todays thought
Hi Meaghan, I just wanted to congratulate u on being someone who has the courage to stand in the face of so much objection. I am a homebirth midwife and It is a struggle for these women all the time and hence why a lot of them come to us. I am also the mother of a baby born at home after 2 caesars so tell the mum Congrats from Me Dierdre B. - Original Message - From: Meaghan Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC and todays thought Great thought, Mary. I just helped a mum through birth with a VBAC. She is 4'11'', very increased BMI (225lbs). First baby 6lb 5oz, cesarean for FTP as babe posterior with head deflexed. She was rehospitalized postpartum for infection at the incision site which I felt was likely superficial due to her size. I consulted as required by our hospital admitting privileges, and she was advised not to attempt TOL. Another physician actually laughed at her when she to her of her plan to birth vaginally with the physician asking who is the brave soul that is going to let you do that? She spent many visits in my ofice in tears. Even my midwifery colleagues were doubtful about the wisdom of letting her try. I lost my temper with them over it in the week before her birth, accusing them of being fatphobic. She went into labour spontaneously, walking into the clinic at 7 cms asking if she was really in labour. Went on to birth a 7lb 1oz baby 5 hours later with only about 40 mins of pushing. No problems, great recovery. I am going to pass on this quote to her, although we have discussed the concept already. Meaghan (in Canada) At 02:49 AM 2/15/05, you wrote: Thought for the Day: Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again. James R. Cook -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBACs
Thanks for the info Dierdre - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBACs Hi Dierdre, Mareeba Hospital maternity is not a birth centre but being a small rural hospital could be considered a 'low risk' centre. Our tertiary hospital is Cairns Base Hospital, an hour's drive away. We are required to refer all high risk women there but we do have facilities for emergency CS (most of the time). We do VBAC here. Women are screened for the reason for previous CS and many are able to choose VBAC. I don't have the figures on me as I am at home but we do have a fairly good success rate. No induction, no epidural, midwifery model of care. Cheers JudyDierdre Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was hoping that I could get feed back from any of you about what low risk centres in Australia permit VBACs. Someone told me that there is a birth centre in Sydney that does but I was after some confirmation. If! any one works in a Low risk centre and VBAC is still an option there could you please let me know. Thanks Dierdre B. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
RE: [ozmidwifery] pill for Thai women
Thanks Megan, I am working on getting the name. It is very difficult with such broken English but I will let you know when I find out. Thanks for your help so far Dierdre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan and Larry Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 9:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] pill for Thai women Hi Diedre, if you can find out what the Thai name of this pill is, get correct spelling etc, I can pass it on to my girlfriend living in Thailand. She is married to a local and can do the research to relay back in English what it is. I have asked her already and she says there is lots of pills and potions available over there for that purpose, but which one? You can email me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like, cheers Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dierdre Bowman Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2002 4:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! Yes it is great news about Caroline! I new you could do it! Love and best wishes Dierdre Also have another query. I have a sister in law who ventures from Thailand and she has in her broken English been asking me about a pill that women can take to cleanse their woman areas. She says that she takes about once a month and helps with cleansing after menstral period. She tells me it decreases any odurs that may come from her womanly areas and is desperate to find out how to get it here in Australia. If anyone has any idea what this might be could you please fill me in as I have no idea what to suggest to her. Dierdre B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:32 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! fantastic news, congratulations to Cas and her baby, Wayne and Lynne and Vicki. much love marilyn - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! This is a quick note to all Cas's friends in birth reform. At 5.45 this am, Adam Samuel McCullough was roared into this world with the love and perseverence of mum Caroline and dad Wayne at Selangor Private Hospital near Maleny (Qld) with midwives Lynne and Vicki. After a lng pregnancy and a lng pre-labour he only took a rapid 5 hours (or so) to greet his parents. Naturally Cas and Wayne are ecstatic to have achieved a totally natural vaginal birth after two prior caesareans!! Please send your congratulations and support to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please feel free to pass on the news! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBACs
Thanks Jo , Do you have a contact email etc for her. I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks Dierdre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 6:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBACs Deirdre, I would also suggest contacting Nicky Leap as she told me that a hospital in Sydney is actually offering midwifery run vbac clinic. May not be a birth centre but a specific vbac clinic is a good stepI assume that it is vbac friendly as Nicky sounded excited about it so it must be good. Please anyone on list, correct me if I am wrong. Cheers Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Palmer Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBACs Dear Deirdre The Birth Centre at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital does definitely accept VBACs and I'm reasonably sure that the Royal Women's Birth Centre does as well. Cheers Jane Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dierdre Bowman Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2002 4:33 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBACs Hi all, I was hoping that I could get feed back from any of you about what low risk centres in Australia permit VBACs. Someone told me that there is a birth centre in Sydney that does but I was after some confirmation. If any one works in a Low risk centre and VBAC is still an option there could you please let me know. Thanks Dierdre B. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
[ozmidwifery] VBACs
Hi all, I was hoping that I could get feed back from any of you about what low risk centres in Australia permit VBACs. Someone told me that there is a birth centre in Sydney that does but I was after some confirmation. If any one works in a Low risk centre and VBAC is still an option there could you please let me know. Thanks Dierdre B.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!!
Yes it is great news about Caroline! I new you could do it! Love and best wishes Dierdre Also have another query. I have a sister in law who ventures from Thailand and she has in her broken English been asking me about a pill that women can take to cleanse their woman areas. She says that she takes about once a month and helps with cleansing after menstral period. She tells me it decreases any odurs that may come from her womanly areas and is desperate to find out how to get it here in Australia. If anyone has any idea what this might be could you please fill me in as I have no idea what to suggest to her. Dierdre B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:32 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! fantastic news, congratulations to Cas and her baby, Wayne and Lynne and Vicki. much love marilyn - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! This is a quick note to all Cas's friends in birth reform. At 5.45 this am, Adam Samuel McCullough was roared into this world with the love and perseverence of mum Caroline and dad Wayne at Selangor Private Hospital near Maleny (Qld) with midwives Lynne and Vicki. After a lng pregnancy and a lng pre-labour he only took a rapid 5 hours (or so) to greet his parents. Naturally Cas and Wayne are ecstatic to have achieved a totally natural vaginal birth after two prior caesareans!! Please send your congratulations and support to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please feel free to pass on the news! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed
Thank you to everyone who has offered help and support to my client and friend. She has made contact with a couple of people and is on her way I believe to feeling more at home. Your offers of help and support are extremely valued. Thank you again Dierdre B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dierdre Bowman Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 7:16 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed Hi all, I read oz mid often but rarely contribute anything as I just enjoy reading everyone elses contributions. However, I have a need I am hoping some of you may be able to help with. I am a hombirth midwife in Brisbane and have in the past few days had a client move to Melbourne as her husbands job required. She gave birth the week before Christmas and while everything went well physically, she is emotionally very stretched at the moment, as a direct result of moving to Melbourne, to a new city with almost know one she knows to support her. I am writing this listing at her request. She desperately needs some contact with like minded people in the Melbourne area and I was hoping some of you may be able to help. I have grave concerns for her and consider it a likely hood that she could get post natal depression if she continues as she currently is. She has given me permission to give out her mobile number to anyone who may be willing to just call up and say hello or invite her to a support group in the Melbourne area. She of course is into homebirth, but also has an interest in such things as Montersorri (excuse my spelling) schools, non-vaccination, breastfeeding, attachment parenting. She makes baby slings as a side business and is a busy mum of a 2 nearly 3 year old and as I said a new baby. She feels like a little fish in a big pond and would love desperately to hear from anyone down there that may have similar interests. Anyone who may be able to support her in terms of assistance in avoiding PND would also be a God send. If any of you feels you could be of assistance could you please contact me urgently. I will be checking emails tomorrow (Friday) so if you could let me know of any help you may be able to give I would love to hear from you and will gladly pass on the mobile number. Thank you in advance. I know there is such a great network of women and midwives on this list that I have no doubt that she will find the network support she needs to make Melbourne feel like home. Blessings Dierdre B.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed
She is in Parkdale. Dierdre B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate /or Nick Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 7:41 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed Whereabouts in Melbourne? Kate - Original Message - From: Dierdre Bowman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Urgent Help Needed Hi all, I read oz mid often but rarely contribute anything as I just enjoy reading everyone elses contributions. However, I have a need I am hoping some of you may be able to help with. I am a hombirth midwife in Brisbane and have in the past few days had a client move to Melbourne as her husbands job required. She gave birth the week before Christmas and while everything went well physically, she is emotionally very stretched at the moment, as a direct result of moving to Melbourne, to a new city with almost know one she knows to support her. I am writing this listing at her request. She desperately needs some contact with like minded people in the Melbourne area and I was hoping some of you may be able to help. I have grave concerns for her and consider it a likely hood that she could get post natal depression if she continues as she currently is. She has given me permission to give out her mobile number to anyone who may be willing to just call up and say hello or invite her to a support group in the Melbourne area. She of course is into homebirth, but also has an interest in such things as Montersorri (excuse my spelling) schools, non-vaccination, breastfeeding, attachment parenting. She makes baby slings as a side business and is a busy mum of a 2 nearly 3 year old and as I said a new baby. She feels like a little fish in a big pond and would love desperately to hear from anyone down there that may have similar interests. Anyone who may be able to support her in terms of assistance in avoiding PND would also be a God send. If any of you feels you could be of assistance could you please contact me urgently. I will be checking emails tomorrow (Friday) so if you could let me know of any help you may be able to give I would love to hear from you and will gladly pass on the mobile number. Thank you in advance. I know there is such a great network of women and midwives on this list that I have no doubt that she will find the network support she needs to make Melbourne feel like home. Blessings Dierdre B.
RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth midwife needed
Melanie, Are you talking about Mansfield in Brisbane or is this a place in Victoria? Dierdre B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of melanie cane Sent: Saturday, 4 December 2004 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth midwife needed I am also looking for a homebirth midwife in the Mansfield area. Any ideas? Thanks, Melanie CINDY BISHOP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Does anybody know if there is a homebirth Midwife in the Horsham area. Thanks Cindy MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us by return e-mail and delete the document. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Barwon Health is not liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication or for any delay in its receipt. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Melanie Cane TLC Doula Support Because every new mother deserves a little TLC. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breech birth question
I have read your email with interest. The person who wrote those comments definitely sounds scared, no doubt. I have attended a couple of breech births at home and have read Maggies book. While I agree women need to follow their instincts, I do request a few things. I believe women need to be upright to birth breech either standing or at least an upright squatt. This allows the weight of the baby to assist with delievery of the head. I also think we should keep our hands off and only assist with the head if its obvious that it is deflexed or not coming of its own accord as I think this helps in avoiding the stimulation that may cause baby to attempt to breath. So long as the cord is pulsing baby has oxygen. You have to watch though because sometimes the empty uterus leads to separation of the placenta. Babies and birth are amazing and to me, the less we interfere the better of mother and baby will be. Just my thoughts! Dierdre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: Friday, 26 November 2004 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breech birth question Hi, Just reading about breech births and differences of opinions between caregivers. Came across this comment, on a homebirth midwifes page and found it kinda odd. I would expect it from some Obs and hospital staff,but not sure what to make of this. There are other things on the page that I think are weird eg. semi reclined position, do this, do that, I'm in charge kind of attitude, but this comment struck me as `fear`. 7. At this point the baby must be born quickly. STAY CALM! It is possible for the baby to suffocate if not born within 5 minutes. Note: Time seems to stand still when we are under stress. Have an assistant keep track of time. What will seem like twenty minutes to you will have probably have been two! http://www.moondragon.org/obgyn/pregnancy/breechhome.html Any midwives out there that have differing views on breech births. I realise that these days most women are encouraged to have c-sections, but thought some of you would supported women at breech births. I have learnt from a couple of wise women that the best way for women to birth a breech baby is just like any other baby, her way in her time. Love Abby (P.S. She also warns against the advocation of the squatting position, where as Michel Odent believes it should be insisted that women birth a breech baby squatting?? Any thoughts??)
Re: [ozmidwifery] PTSD
Brisbane has a group that has been established in line with the NZ trauma group. NZ group is I believe is, www.tabs.org.nz and qld is [EMAIL PROTECTED] although the woman leading this group is currently out of action having just had a bub.
Re: [ozmidwifery] I've had a baby (long)
Jo I must be rude and bad mannered because I often tell people in response to "you must be brave to have a homebirth" that they must be brave to go to hospital. Woops, never looked at it as being rude, I always felt it was an appropriate way to start the conversation roling about birth. Hope I haven't offended too many people. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thanks
Hi Maureen, I'm Dierdre Bowman and I'm with Maternity Coalition QLD. I was wondering if you could email me off list. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Dierdre. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:(WOW) birth and breastfeeding attitudes
Don't Think it ends when they go to school. If my 13 year old or 11 year old boys want something and I'm on the loo, they still come to the door and want to exchange conversation. I'm convinced it never stops. The word mother means, NO PRIVATE LIFE. Not even the loo. Dierdre. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Response from Today Show
Funny that thought crossed my mind!! Dierdre.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback
In one hospital in Brisbane, not much is done to inform women before they are about to recieve oxytocics unless they happened to go to antenatal class where they are informed that it is given to help the placenta come away and that's that!!! However in the favour of some midwives I have been with, they try to tell the women what the drugs is for and ask if they would be ok about having it. Some midwives even avoid giving it unless haemorrhage occurs but they are far and few between. Women just think that it is necessary and say yes. So much for informed consent. Dierdre B
[ozmidwifery] Response from Today Show
Seems if you leave your letters till later you get better bites. This was Tracey Grimshaws response to my email. It's a beauty. Dierdre B. - Original Message - From: TCN Today Show To: Dierdre Bowman Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: RE: Live Caesarean Dear Dierdre, You have put very reasoned arguments to support your contention that CS births are overused. It is an argument that we have explored and aired on our program many times in recent years, and during our program last week, we spoke to a midwife on that very point. You do not, however, support your accusation that we did nothing but tell women it is okay to have cs for no medical reason. First, the program was about birth period. Specifically about the arrival of the 20 millionth Australian, however and whomever that was. It was NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT ON BIRTHING METHODS though we acknowledged the debate. The special moment was young Tom Coopers arrival into the world and to be honest, it was truly wonderful regardless of by which orifice he emerged. Of course it would have been impossible to schedule a vaginal delivery live during a 3 hour window. Babies dont work to deadlines. And it was the live broadcast element that we wanted to share with our viewers the excitement of seeing something happen for the first time, before anyone else has seen it, before your eyes. Tom was going to arrive cs regardless of whether we were there or not we simply took an amazing opportunity. It is a shame that the extreme end of the anti cs debate has sought to hijack that moment for its own end. But back to your accusation: we explained repeatedly that Toms mum Liane had a history of complex reproductive problems. Her first baby was born by cs several days after her waters broke and doctors were unable to induce labour. She sought the best medical advice she could get, and made an informed decision not to have that happen again. While I respect opinions like yours I have been shocked and horrified by a minority of people who have accused her of being less than a mother;too posh to push etc. This rush to judge others simply because they have the temerity to make a choice that differs with ones own is an ugly side of human nature. Opinions are a right they should not be a weapon. We did not tell anyone it was okay to have a cs for no medical reason. But frankly I do not presume the right to tell anyone how they should make one of the biggest decisions of their lives. Nor to judge them on it. Regards, Tracy Grimshaw -Original Message-From: Dierdre Bowman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:24 PMTo: TCN Today ShowSubject: Live CaesareanImportance: High Over the past few days I have tried to come to grips with your show on the live caesarean birth. I am a midwife who constantly sees women who have been devastated by their experience with caesarean section (C/S). While I agree that for some women 10-15% C/S is an absolutely necessary and life saving event, it is an outrage that this story has gone to air in the context it has. The c/s rate in this country, is out of control. Research is now revealing that this operation may have long term effects especially on the emotional wellbeing of the mother. The world health organization recommended that the C/S rate should not be higher than 10-15% in ANY geographical area. Why then do we in Australia have rates from between 20 and 50%. Please don't tell me that 1/4 to 1/2 the population of Australian women are unable to birth vaginally. I have seen mother and babies with sliced bladders and parts of the baby cut because of C/S. Women who for months after suffer server pain as a result of infection and babies born with respiratory distress as a result of C/S performed when the baby was SUPPOSE to be full term only to discover it was premature!!! I am a victim of two unnecessary caesareans and having a previous C/S isNOT a valid reason for having another.In fact in order to escape theknife the third time I had to birth at home with a midwife. The only person who would fight formy rights. Mothers and infants are at double to three times the risk of Death having a c/s than a vaginal delivery. We are working very hard as mothers and midwives to turn around this potentially disastrous situation. Your show has done nothing but tell women it's ok to have C/S for no medical reason. This is not OK. In fact your show has left consumers of birthing groups and organizations as well as the midwives who attend them outraged. You really need to do some careful thinking before you air something based on the opinions of an obstetrician who's primary concern appears to be his star qualities as a performer instead of what should be his role. Promoting what is safe and best for women and babies. I would have second thoughts about watching your show again! Dierdre Bowman
[ozmidwifery] C/S
Without being able to say too much we may have a law suit about to happen in Qld by a couple who were insensed to find they had been coerced into a C/S to find there was nothing wrong with their baby. Not only that, the info I have says the fatherhas evidencethat theCTG trace was not as bad as it was made out to be and thatthe partogram which he saw initially waslater changed. I think they may have bitten off more than they can chew. The husband is outraged and is intending to take legal action. Hopefully we will hear more soon. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery room
I just wanted to make a late reply to Cas regarding the babies in recovery. It is my experience that this is not normal practice at least in a couple of hospitals I know of in Brisbane. Mum gets to see baby maybe for a couple of minutes and then baby is wisked away, usually in it's cot back to birth suits with dad, while mum gets sutured up. You were very blessed to get your babies in recovery. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
Sally I agree thoroughly. I am very excited to think the NSW government have come far enough to give this ago. There is no doubt this is a huge step and I commend the midwives involved for their role in facilitating such a service, however, I too have grave concerns about this service. I have many times before heard of services directed by obstetric guidlines that firstly, prevent women from taking part who are considered high risk but who otherwise (with the help of an independent midwife) can birth quite safely at home. I know, I'm one of them. The Western Australian model has a lot going for it and we should be using a home grown working model instead of looking over seas to models that inlots of cases lead to 'medical models in the home'.In Holland the midwife is the primary care giver and she is responsible for refering the woman to an obstetrician if problems arise or the woman has conditions which are not favourable to birthing at home. I have my doubts that the proposed system will work in any way like that but will be extremely controlled by the medical protocols that are put inplace. Idon't want to be negative about such a positive advance but I agree with Sally. What is the point of starting aservice that sets wrong standards. And are we not taking the choice away from women again by dictating who can do what?? When are we going to start asking them what they want instead of telling them all the time. It's worth thinking about. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
Bravo Denise, My sentiments exactly. I too have clients that refuse a lot of what you have said, I can't imagine they would fit into this scheme either. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
I was one of those women who went on to birth vaginally after 2 previous c/s. I was told, absolutely not, I would not be able to have a vaginal birth. If I had not had a supportive midwife with skills that aren't taught in medical or midifery school, skills that come by attending women who believe they can birth and work hard at achieving that dream, then chances are really high I would not have had a vagainal birth. I think this issue is much greater than who should or who shouldn't. It's about informed choice. About women knowing all the risks and being prepared to accept responsibility. I don't think what I did was dangerous, but many would have at the time. The support and faith my midwife gave and had in me changed who I am as a person. How we birth can affect much of lives and how we live it. I've seen it over and over. Stop regulating and start educating!!! Dierdre B.
[ozmidwifery] Nicole U. from Logan
Hi Nicole, I hope you read oz mid over the next day or two. I tried to email u that assignment on the email address you gave me but it keeps telling me that it is not valid. Could you email me offoz midon [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will forward it on to you. I hope it's not my computer!! Blessings Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care
While I think that it is TERRIFIC that homebirth will finally be offered as a choice. I think that the way midwives are compensated for this work is important to look at. The system in NZ is somewhat dodgy where payment is concerned. I would like to see funds made directly available to parent so that they may choose and fund their own midwife, not one assigned to them or where couples only have the choice of recieving paid homebirth if they choose the few midwives set up through these schemes. This has the potential to damage the livelihood of midwives currently working independently of the system. Any thoughts Dierdre B. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Virus
As a computer tech, some virus's get past virus checkers, even if their up to date. The infectors are getting smarter and have the new software to hide it in side another program and then it will unpackage it self. Try a few diference virus checker if your unsure,www.webattack.com has free software to try out. It wouldnt hurt. Dierdre bowman (husband) Francis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:
MY goodness the things people complain about. And it hasn't even happened yet. This has to take the cake of the weirdest complaints in history. Blessings Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions
I would love to see a copy of this broucher on midwiveswhen it's complete if that's possible. Blessings Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Advise, encouragement, support (long)
Sonia, It is sad that you and many other women can't have their time over again and be cared for by dedicated midwives. I can't believe your words would offend. I can't help but be moved by stories like yours. Stories that should have been different. When will it all stop! When will it all turn around. I't time WE WON! Instead obgyn's are having their way and women are being trampled in the process. I would like permission to store your words and maybe use them if need be to help women see what they have missed out on. I'm not sure how but I just feel comments like yours should be shared. Thank you for being so honest. Dierdre B. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [MatCoWA] give me some questions
Which care provides provides the most affordable care with the best outcomes and least intervention? The Midwife.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Advise, encouragement, support
It breaks my heart to hear that midwives who obviously have the caring heart you have are being forced from a profession that needs many more like you. The system makes it impossible to stand up and be heard without running the risk of loosing your job! However we must join forces and be heard. This kind of brutality must not be allowed to continue. While midwives are somewhat of a miniority the women who support us are not and I truely believe we have to have faith to stand up for their rights and our own. WE must band together. What this country needs is a means of creating such a public outcry that ob.and politician alike can not hide from. I have a couple of ideas, but would love some feed back about what others think would prompt our communities to come out fighting. Let me know, I'd be interested to hear from you all as to how that could be achieved. Without consumer backing we sort of pale into insignificance. I believe we have that support we just need to rally it. Blessings Dierdre.
Re: [ozmidwifery] effects of contractions on the fetus???
My dear friend, I realize the grieving process takes time and you have so much to be dissapointed about. But I was there and I know that you did all the right things. You made choices based on the facts and also based on the joint decision making made by you and your husband. You did the best you could for where you were at and you need to stop beating up on yourself. You also need to give yourself time to grieve and grow before you make any decisions about the future. There is plenty of time. If you need to talk please ring me at home anytime! Blessings Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another unec. C-section...
Oh come on , why give them that much choice. I think no anaesthesia would be more appropriate Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypnobirthing
All the talk about hypno birthing is very interesting. My understanding was that only copies of Dick-Reads book childbirth without fear written prior to 1939 were actually written exclusively by him and since then has been modified by many others. I own this book and while I can imagine how someone came up with a term like hypno birthing I didn't feel that's what Dick-Read was saying. I saw what he says as meaning that women had to relax and to go within in order to let the natural pain killers we have work so well. I'm amazed that people always find ways to make money of others with some new method for helping women birth better or easier. I agree with Marilyn to some extent. I don't think we need to learn how to birth but I do believe that natural birth has become so surpressed in our society that the inate knowledge of women to birth their babies is being stiffled. Women need to be encouraged that it is within them, the need to be told that they can do it and that with good relaxation pain can be reduced. Many of us know that pain can be caused physiologically through fear, not just of pain but of many other things. And by the way, women should be informed that having a baby is not something we control, I tell my clients to take their logical brain and put it up on a shelf because the body needs to work uninterupted by the logic we place such high value on. Dierdre -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA
I'm not sure what everyone else thinks but I must say that while 'an abuser went free' I cant help but think keeping someone's DNA on file is a breach of the civil liberty. To what extent the Govt. or other agencies could go to using that information make the mind boggle. I dont agree with storing DNA from heelpricks. And anyway, who asked the Baby Blessings Dierdre -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] high head at term
Sonia, While it is true that as babies get closer to term there is less space for them to turn, it is certainly a possibility. I had a client who carried breech from 33 weeks and remained this way until the day before labour. She presented us with a delightful head down baby. I feel sad writing this to you because it's very difficult to say these things and risk upseting women with what might have been. Blessings Dierdre -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] unnecessary C/S
It only goes to show the best way to recover a bub who is in some trouble is in the mothers uterus. This safe environment under the right circumstances will improve the health of a baby faster and more efficient than any c.sec. Blessings Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another unec. C-section...
Goer talks about Ph testing and she claims that the false positive rate on Ph testing is very high. I have doubts about putting my trust in these measures. I realize that some mums get rescued from a pending cs by ph testing but how many actually get sectioned without true cause? Blessings Dierdre -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] caseload
Hi Jen, While I can't answer your question from a hospital policy point of view. I have to say, it bewilders me why the many things that we know are better for the women are being discarded like they matter not. I hear so often from women of their dissapointment with not being able to have a midwife of their choice and still be given the option of going to hospital if they want to. Its so hard to comprehend. In Queensland we seem to be more backward than most and thats frustrating. Just today a women came to see me about supporting her through a hospital birth. We talked at length about the phoenix program in Brisbane. While it is suppose to give women the chance to have a known Midwife and don't get me wrong, I know the midwives are keen to help women, but it is a token gesture, to what women really want and what they need to get better birth outcomes. For my own sanity I have to keep telling myself, it's going to get better!! Dierdre.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?
Interesting point I would love to know the answer to that one also. Dierdre B. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] McLeods Daughters
Tv shows really have an impact. I have already recieved a call from a woman who saw Hot properties, with the woman planning a homebirth. She rang me desperate, because she had been told by a doctor and two midwives at the RBH in Brisbane that Homebirth was not an available option in Australia. Finding that it is possible to have a homebirth here she jumped on the net and eventually found my our numbers here in Brissy. She is now fairly late in her pregnancy but had her last 3 babies at home in England and Ireland and was devistated to think she must birth her 4th in hospital. Praise God for good media coverage. Blessings Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jumpy legs
Hi, I think it was Sheena who wrote a while back asking about what to do for restless legs. Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, I somehow missed the email asking for more info about the Silicea gel. Yes it is safe in pregnancy. Also it can be bought in a gel which is a bit more expensive and you take a teaspoon a day or you can purchase it in a combination silicea and calcium. The brand is Hubner. Hope this helps and it not too too too late. Sorry! Blessings Dierdre B. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing
Dear Isis, I have cared for a woman who had a dreadful first birth with a large episiotomy. It took years to heal properly and for a long time she experienced pain on intercourse etc. She went on to birth her 2nd and 3rd babies at home, both without a tear if i remember correctly. Not only is it very possible to have a vaginal birth, it is what your body is designed to do. When my women have had previous scars I get them to spend a lot of time doing perineal massage, using arnica cream. Many have said that the tissue became more supple and felt that they stretched up well during birth. This has been my experience with them. The other option is water birth as this softens the tissue. Women say it works well! Just a few thoughts. I must say your story is not unusual but such stories never fail to infuriate me. Keep positive. You can do it! Blessings Dierdre B
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jumpy legs
HI Sheena, Restless legs seems to be getting more common. But not just in pregnancy. My husband and a friend both suffer with Restless leg syndrome. Recent it was suggested to my husband to take silicea gel. It's a little expensive but works wonderfully. You simply swallow a teaspoon full up to 3 times a day. While he takes it. He never gets restless legs! It 's worth looking in to. Blessings Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Doctors turn against natural births for breech babies-- Courier Mail article
Darren I have been on Holidays and have just read this classic response regarding our most sincere but sincerely wrong Dr. Molloy. I must tell you I really needed to laugh at that very moment. Thank you. Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] GP's and OB's selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement
Thanks for that Ping.
Re: [ozmidwifery] JLY1 outcry!
As part of Birth Action Group and Maternity Coalition Qld. we have gone out of our way to make sure the media never grows cold on birthing and midwifery issues. Every week we have someone writing in or answering comments to the editor about different articles. Probably one of the most effective tools we have found is to get some media on side. We have a terrific women working for our major paper who attended a birth with me and was enthrawled by what she has been privaledged to see. She is very happy to write for us and to be of influence in getting articles in the paper. I urge you all to write now. Ring up tell them you want a story done. Offer to speak about the issues. Get a few midwives and mums to gether and tell your stories. New is powerful. And one of things we are doing this week is meeting to discuss how we can make the media work for us. The other thing we are doing is going for a grant to educate the public through the media. There is plenty you can do as individuals. You just have to be diligent. Don't let sleeping dogs lie. Get up and biteem!!! Blessings Dierde B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] melbourne
HI Tracy, I am a midwife working in Brisbane and am a committee member for Maternity Coalition Queensland. As part of some discussions we have been have, it wassuggested that educating teenagers while still in school would be a good way of changing opinion from the roots. Is Queensland an area you have had any negotiations with regarding your program? I would be very interested to get some more info on your program so that I could pass it on to the women on our committee who is in the best position to do something with it or at least have a good look at it. Could you email me off oz mid on [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any info you could give about the program so we could get a better understanding of what you are doing? Thanks for your time Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] GP's and OB's selling Elevit Vitamin Supplement
What are elevit samples, excuse my ignorance Dierdre B.
Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Yes, I remember my mother talking about twighlight sleep. Don't know what the drug was but it sort of made women feel almost unconscious but yet still aware they were having a baby. If anyone knows more about the drug I would like to hear about it also. Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] twilight delivery - or twilight baby?
Thanks for that info Mary. That is really interesting. Sounds dreadfull but things are that great today, just different. Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Episiotomy - when to cut?
I believe that tearing has a lot to do with the condition of a womans tissues. Diet plays a hugh role in this and research shows when all things are considered, ie position, diet, perineal massage about 25% of women will still tear. There is so much we don't know! For instance was she scared and did she push the baby with a shove so to speak. Was there a hand in the road, was she on her back. I don't know but maybe changing some of those things may have helped. Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Are nipple shields increasing rates of bottlefeeding???
We seem to be obsessed with flat nipples these days. Who said they are not normal or are going to cause problems? Recently I spoke with Ruth Cantrill. For those of you who don't she has recently done quite a lot of research into breastfeeding and is in charge of the Baby friendly initiative at the Redlands hospital in Brisbane. Much of her recent research has looked at the babies ability to crawl up the abdomen and attach itself to the nipple.. What she has found is amazing. During her study rarely did she find a baby who had problems even with "flat nipples" if the baby was allowed to find it's own way to the nipple and attach. She says if left alone the majority of babies will attach withing 1 hour of birth and even babies peth affected etc will attach within 6 hours. The babies as they crawl up the abdomen smell and lick their fists which has amniotic fluid on it. The same protein is in breast milk so baby gets a taste and smell for what it can get from mum. It will if left alone find it's own way and attach itself with out assistance even on so called flat nipples. Babies dont suck nipples the attach to aerola's. Dierdre
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery/birthing services Gold Coast
Alamanda does have maternity but you might want to hunt up some of the statistics before making a choice to birth there! Dierdre
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INJUNCTION to stop Midiwifery Practice.
Hi All, Tomorrow, thursday at 9.15 am. Brisbane Homebirth community is comming together to support womens rights to chose where and how they give birth. Some of you will know Claire Brassard, she has attended women in Queensland for several years now and has recently had her files confiscated by the QNC. She is not a registered midwife but that has not bothered the many who have taken on her services and who love and adore this wonderful women. Tomorrow Claire has agreed to attend the Supreme Court in Brisbane to recieve and injunction to prevent her practicing in Queensland. While some of you may not agree with traditional midwifery, it is a fact that many people chose these types of midwives because of who they are and what they represent. It is a sad day for the Brisbane homebirth community. However we wish to use this occassion to gain media coverage for womens rights to choose. If you live in Brisbane and would like to support this please be at the supreme court crn Adelaide and George streets, Brisbane at 9.15 am tomorrow thursday the 13th to show your support. Bring mothers and babies and grandma's and anyone who believes it is our right to chose how we give birth. We look forward to meeting you. We will be supported by many who are not just for homebirth but for womens choice in birth so please come along. Claire has plans to leave Australia where she will be registered through an alternative system and hopes to return in a year as a registered midwife. On behalf of the homebirth community of Brisbane we wish her every success and happiness and can't wait to have her back. Bless ya Claire.
Re: [ADMIN Fwd:] What a privilage to watch
Dear Andrea , Your story is quite inspiring. Nothing like a woman who knows exactly what she needs Dierdre. -- From: James Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADMIN Fwd:] What a privilage to watch Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:04 AM [This bounced from the list. Admin] Subject: What a privilage to watch Date: Fri, 13 Aug 99 20:38:47 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Oz Midwifery" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was privilaged to be present at a birth the other day where my presence was almost incidental. I'd like to think it meant something but one does wonder. The beauty of watching a woman in labour when she trusts in and listens to her body is something I never tire of. This woman was in fact quite keen to be induced for the third time? Her BP was quite unstable despite medication and so the decision was made to induce her at 38 weeks. Well she and her doctor had decided but her body was not co-operating and over the evening she continued to give me quite a unique discription of the conflict that was going on inside her body as the syntocinon tried to start labour and her body resisted. This continued as we slowly increased the infusion due to her previous precipitate labours with synt and reassured the doctor that I was increasing it not according to the protocol but using prudence given her history. Eventually she established and quickly got to fully dilated but continued to verbalise the fact that something wasn't right. This stubborn baby continued to be posterior. As she became transitional the woman took to the bed and (much to my dismay) claimed that she needed to lie down. Here she stayed until she was fully dilated when she reported that "something's not right" and promptly got up and stood leaning forward making wide circular motions with her hips during contractions. She didn't say a word but began looking around the room as if searching for something and instinctively I bought her a low foot stool and placed it beside her. Immediately she placed one foot onto it and continued the circular motion during contractions. This continued for about half an hour after which time she dropped to all fours and promptly pushed the baby, quite anteriorally, out with the next two contractions. I saw her today and tried to tell her how impresive she was but she would have none of it and gave me a running description of all the things that were going through her head at the time. Pictures of all the interventions she could think of as all she was aware of was that it didn't feel right. Despite this she had no fear and so her body continued with its uninhibitated ability to overcome the problem and birth the baby as only it knows how. Andrea Q -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
