Re: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping
My oldest grandson is so used to co-sleeping that, when he was about 5 or 6 and we were discussing sleeping arrangements (must have been staying at my place or something) he thought that his stepfather could sleep with me in my bed! I don't think so!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "nunyara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 14:40 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping > Hi all! Just a word on the co-sleeping issue. Was told not to when I had > my first child who is now 30 but tiredness won me over in the first couple > of weeks so into the bed she came. Same thing happened with second child 12 > months later. On and off they co-slept and, even now, when visiting and > staying over (although they only live 5 minutes away), they jump at the > chance to sleep in bed with Mum when Dad is away working. My grandson > always sleeps with me when he stays as does my almost 4 year old grand > daughter. My youngest daughter also co-sleeps with her children. Never any > problems other than the occasional falling out of bed but the mattress on > the floor does the trick there! > > Cheers Ramona > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK > Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 5:55 PM > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping > > Yes! So true. As a permanent P/T night-duty person, I hear the "don't > want to get him/her into a bad habit" far too often. I find by night 2/3 > they are so tired, they think that co-sleeping is a possibility and I > encourage them fully! > > Mine still manage to find their way into our bed, and the youngest little > possum is 4!! But at least they don't wander in until 4-5am now. > > Cheryl > > > >From: "Ken Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > >To: "ozmidwifery" > >Subject: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:27:17 +1100 > > > > > >It's not necessarily the midwives preventing co-sleeping. I often hear 'the > >baby's been awake all night. Would go to sleep and wake up as soon as I > >put > >him down.' When suggestions are made to co-sleep, they don't want to > >"start bad habits". a lot of women are influenced by their mothers, > >partners etc, who don't approve of co-sleeping., thank God the influence > >on > >breast feeding isn't quite as strong as it used to be. It's strange, these > >little ones are expected to sleep on a hard, cold surface after been > >snuggled up listening to mum for months. If I remember right a > >co-sleeping > >policy was short and sweet. Mum had to be sedative free, the bedside up and > >bed as low as possible. > >Ken & Maureen Ward > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ><< winmail.dat >> > > _ > Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! > > www.seek.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t > =757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06&_m=EXT > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga
Hi Kate, The Wodonga Hospital is the only hospital having births at Albury/Wodonga. I'm not sure what models of care are available, but I think there is a midwive's clinic. There certainly seems to be a very high intervention rate though! Wangaratta has a Community Midwifery Program, which is very good but you have to book very early as they have a limit of numbers per month. It is a very popular program and the woman meets all of the team during the course of her pregnancy and has whoever is on call for the birth. There are also 2 or 3 independant midwives in the Wangaratta/Wodonga area that I know of. Hope this helps your friend. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kate and/or Nick To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 16:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga Hi I have a friend having her first baby in the A/W area. She's asking me questions about what her care options are, and I have no idea what's on offer there. Can anyone give me a quick rundown on maternity care in the A/W region? Thanks Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] emails not recieved
Hi jayne, I think I get most of them, but don't know enough about cyberspace to be able to offer any suggestions. Sorry. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: jayne/jesse To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 16:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] emails not recieved I know there have been complaints (and suggestions to fix it!) about emails sent to the list not being received by everyone. It seems to have peaked for me now. From what I can see from replies to original emails (the originals that I never received), I'm only receiving approximately 50% of emails sent to the list. I'm guessing this would be even less because it's quite likely I'm not receiving some of the replies to the original emails as well! They are not going into my spam folder. I really think this is now beyond 'gremlins' in the system. I often also will receive a reply to an original email many hours BEFORE I'll receive the original email. It has become difficult to become involved in an ongoing discussion when you don't know about half of what is being said. Can I ask, does anyone actually think that they receive nearly all the emails sent to the list without a problem? Regards Jayne
Re: [ozmidwifery] JAUNDICE & BREASTFEEDING
I agree with Barb - sounds like breasmilk jaundice. I wonder if the paed considered other factors, such as weight gain, urine and stool output, if baby is alert and happy, etc. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 16:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] JAUNDICE & BREASTFEEDING > Hi, > > It sounds like breastmilk Jandice. What a shame she has been given such > out-dated advice. > > Wendy Brodribb in "Breastfeeding Management" (Australian Breastfeeding > Association has an excellent explaination (p 393) > > Arias and co-workers in the 1960's first reported another form of neonatal > jaundice characterised by prolonged elevation of serum bilirubin in > otherwise healthy breastfed infants. The incidence was thought to be > between one in 100 and 1 in 200 breastfed infants. Bilirubin levels may > peak at 10-14 days then remain constant for 2 weeks and decline to normal > levels by 4-16 weeks. Seventy percent of the siblings of an infant with > breastmilk jaudice are likely to develop the condition. THE CONDITION IS > ALWAYS BENIGN (my caps!) The main reason for any investigation is to rule > out pathological causes of jaundice. > > She goes on to say "In the majority of situations there is not need to > prove the diagnosis in an otherwise healthy infant and there is no need to > wean because the infant has breastmilk jaundice" > > I think I'd be seeking a second opinion from a more up to date dr > > Barb > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > A query - I saw a client today whose little boy is 4 months old. The > > birth > > was at 36weeks, very quick labour (3 hours - first baby). The little > > fellow > > had jaundice but was otherwise well. Went under the lights a couple of > > times and then came home but had appointments to go back and see the > > hospital paediatrician. When I saw the Mum prenatally, she was very very > > keen to breastfeed, had even been to ABA meetings whilst pregnant. > > However, > > she informed me today that she "had" to give up feeding. Upon being asked > > why, the answer was that she was so stressed that her milk dried up. The > > reason for the stress was that the jaundice kept recurring and her > > paediatrician told her that her "milk was not flushing it out of the > > baby's > > system". Bub had to return to hospital twice to go under the lights again > > and the paediatrician also said that Mum had to supplement with artificial > > formula because baby was not getting enough to flush out. Hence the > > stress. > > She saw a lactation consultant who suggested that she go to a GP to get a > > tablet to increase her supply but she did not want to go that way. Don't > > know why she didn't go back to ABA but think she was over it by then. > > (Also > > lost confidence in her ability to feed I think because of paediatrician's > > comments) Anyway, can any of you enlighten me re the milk flushing the > > jaundice out of the system please? > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Ramona Lane > > > > Herbalist/Naturopath > > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] lactation consultant query
Hi Michelle, I did my initial education and revision for 10 yr recertification with Maureen Minchin (in person). I found that I could remember things from her method of teaching. I also attended breastfeeding conferences whenever I could, particularly ALCA conferences. I studied and studied "Breastfeeding and Human Lactation" which is my most used reference book when I want to check on something. I don't know why people aren't recertifying at 5 yrs - could be the cost and time to go to conferences. Hope this helps, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 16:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] lactation consultant query Hi, Am posting again as the first one didn't seem to come through. I'm thinking of doing the LC course, but have noticed (in my travels) that lots of LC's let their qualification lapse when the 5 years is up. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on this is it the money? or too hard to attend BF conferences etc? I'd also be interested in which courses people found to be good. The Health e-learning has been recommended to me. Thanks Michelle On Yahoo!7Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas.
Re: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required")
and Sue, thanks for your support too. Your story is unbelievable too - one wonders where they are coming from. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: midwifery list Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 13:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] opposition (was 'info required") One of my favorite quotes is Gandhi First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win. Similar to a quote I read on JB "All truth goes through 3 stages: Firstly it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, thirdly it is held to be self-evident" Well done for advocating for this woman Joy. We were discussing the National competancy standards at work recently and I held that it is not possible to uphold these in the truest sense whilst working within an obstetric model of care. We cannot truly be women's advocates and work within hospital blanket policies. I was attending a very nice normal birth recently with absolutely no adverse factors and had discussed with the woman leaving the third stage to happen naturally unless otherwise indicated. All was well untill Ob comes in uninvited, unrequested, sees synto drawn up but not given, babe in mum's arms placenta already pushed out by mum (next contraction post baby) and in kidney dish, still attached to baby. Ob goes ballistic and insists on synto being given, saying "there are no medals for haemorrhaging" even though the blood loss was minimal and well within norm, and placenta already out. (so what exactly do we give synto for again) My point being that within the obstetric model- the 'boys' hold the power, the management backs them up. At the bedside is not a good time to be arguing policy. I tried to discuss with my cnm the fact that I was responsible for giving a drug that was not necessary, so if the woman had an adverse reaction and we were sued, I would be wrong for giving the drug that was not medically indicated. Was just told that I am covered under hosp policy and have to work within them - this does not fit with what I hear about court procedings. Sorry this is a bit rambling - but wanted to add my support to you Joy for holding up under pressure and I agree that perhaps YOU should instigate a meeting to discuss this. Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required
Title: Message Thanks Judy and Barb for your support. Yes, the woman did know, as he was trying to convince her and she asked why she needed it and then said no, when he still tried to push for the VE I said firmly "she said no" that's when the proverbial hit the fan. Might need to remind him of the TV ads that no means no ;) After the birth she asked if there was anything she could do to support me. I just said we'll wait and see what eventuates. What really hurt was that he wrote in the notes (where all staff can see) that he was filing an incident report in relation to Joy Cocks not supporting him, so I imagine I am the subject of hospital gossip for a few days! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: B & G To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 19:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Congratulations Joy, you did so well for the woman. You were probably so discrete the woman may never have known you had to stand up for her rights and dignity so she could get into her birthing space.Take him on and just remind him that workplace bullying is not a good picture to get in. Take care Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy CocksSent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 10:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Pheewww..Peiter Mourik used to come to our hospital and give inservices when he held clinics there. I would back up Wendy's comments. He's very clever with words and is god's gift to women - always saving them! He believes that midwives can only be independant when they can do forceps/ventouse births! Sorry, negative comments after a bad evening when I stood up for a labouring woman who did not wish to have a VE when the GP ob wanted to do one as how else would he know whether she was progressing or not. He's writing an incident report about me for not supporting him. He asked how I planned to manage the labour and I told him that the woman was managing the labour and I would be worried if she became worried. The woman proceeded to birth without problem. Just feeling upset and hurt as he is my GP and we usually work well together, but probably most other women are not as strong in standing up for themselves. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: info required I will be meeting with Peter Miourik(obstetrician) amongst others in an informal dinner setting on Friday night as the hospital that I work at is having a review of obstetric services . I believe this is a man who is quite against midwifery led services and I'm a bit puzzled as to why I have been asked to be one of the 2 midwifery reps at this dinner. But very pleased at the same time, and more than happy to be a part of this. Can anyone fill me in on what they know of this man? Cath.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required
Dear Amy, Sazz and Suzi, Thanks so much for your support, it means a lot to me and confirms what I know in my heart. Haven't heard anything more today, but I've been out for the day. However, still can't stop thinking about it. Have my grandson coming for a sleepover tonight so maybe that will take my mind of this ridiculous situation - see, I'm feeling stronger already! Joy x Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required If you were my midwife, I would be so grateful that I had someone who would truly advocate on my behalf and protect me from the attitude that I was hospital property during my stay there. Hospital staff and doctors sometimes get their priorities mixed up dont they? As a consumer, I say thanks and good on you for standing up for her. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joy CocksSent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required Pheewww..Peiter Mourik used to come to our hospital and give inservices when he held clinics there. I would back up Wendy's comments. He's very clever with words and is god's gift to women - always saving them! He believes that midwives can only be independant when they can do forceps/ventouse births! Sorry, negative comments after a bad evening when I stood up for a labouring woman who did not wish to have a VE when the GP ob wanted to do one as how else would he know whether she was progressing or not. He's writing an incident report about me for not supporting him. He asked how I planned to manage the labour and I told him that the woman was managing the labour and I would be worried if she became worried. The woman proceeded to birth without problem. Just feeling upset and hurt as he is my GP and we usually work well together, but probably most other women are not as strong in standing up for themselves. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: info required - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: info required I will be meeting with Peter Miourik(obstetrician) amongst others in an informal dinner setting on Friday night as the hospital that I work at is having a review of obstetric services . I believe this is a man who is quite against midwifery led services and I'm a bit puzzled as to why I have been asked to be one of the 2 midwifery reps at this dinner. But very pleased at the same time, and more than happy to be a part of this. Can anyone fill me in on what they know of this man? Cath.
[ozmidwifery] Birth stool
Does anyone know who might hire out a birthing stool? The woman who wants it is 37/40, so needs it sooner rather than later. TIA Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'
Hi Astra, What others have said is correct. Marked asymmetry of breasts; lack of breast tissue, together with a wide space between the breasts; as well as the tubular breasts with swollen-looking areolars are all "red flags" when it comes to being able to produce enough milk. However, as each woman is different, none of these are definitive, but they indicate that we need to closely monitor the baby for adequate intake. Whilst these women may not produce enough milk to satisfy their babies, they may be able to partially breastfeed. Are you able to get a copy of "Breastfeeding and Human Lacation" (Jan Riordan) for a look? Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast' Hi Jo, I'm pretty sure she got the photo's from a cosmetic surgery site!! They were examples only, to give us a kind of idea of something to be aware of. I had never heard of this previously, and would also be interested to learn more. I could see what I can come up with, and post it on the list later, if you would like. I'll see if she can point me in the right direction. We go back to class in a couple of weeks, regards. Astra Quoting Jo Bourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my > breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started > EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn > a corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really > settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply > but our issues were in large part to do with the physiological > shape/structure of my breasts. > At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about > this > >subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about > it, > >and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester > in > >a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted > to > >contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some > >detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I > >can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work > >and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the > >anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants > would > >have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their > area > >of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a > particular > >shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue > inside > >the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around > >the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal > breast > >development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right > up > >to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this > type of > >tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether > >small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the > sternum, > >if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of > >the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast > was > >around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this > >shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate > >desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this > infrormation > >was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but > obviously > >we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this > is > >new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware?? > >Anyway, I hope this helps, > >Regards, Astra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on > >> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on > >> the topic. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Maureen's other book is "Food for Thought" and it is very thought-provoking. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmas propose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 32wks & SROM
Hi Kelly, It seems to me that the medical treatment for this woman was fairly appropriate but the communication (or lack of!) wasn't! I'm surprised that she was "allowed" to go home. There's still nothing that beats a midwife's hand on a woman's tummy to actually feel if she is contracting and listening to what the woman says she is feeling. Not doing a VE is appropriate for the reason stated. I don't know what the protocol at Shepp is, but I would have thought that there would probably be a cut-off point of 34/40. For threatened prem labour before that time, a tertiary hospital would probably be more appropriate, due to NICU facilities. My daughter had SROM with twins at 26/40 and was air-lifted to RWH from Bright, where they were born 5 days later. Despite antibiotics an infection developed and we lost our little girl at 2 days of age. Our boy (Reuben) is going on 4 now and a healthy "terror". However, in those 5 days she/they were subjected to CTG's every day and, because they could never pick up 2 heartbeats at once, ultrasounds just as frequently to locate both babies. I can't help wondering if all of that did any good at all, or actually may have caused harm. Just my 2 cents worth after night duty. I do wish this woman well for herself and her baby. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 21:24 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 32wks & SROM Hello all, A mum on my forums had her waters break at 32 weeks on Friday. Shes been going to Shepparton hospital but is not happy. Basically they tried to stop her contractions and she had said she didnt want them stopped, but they did it then sent her home. Its all a little confusing but anyway, she said this: I got to the hospital at 8.30 and saw the resident on duty. She asked me what had happened and my reply was, my waters have broken! She then went out of the room and came back with all these tests. She read the tests and then had to get my husband to help her to do them; there wasn't a midwife in the room at this time! She did the tests and then wouldn't check how dilated I was because of the risk of infection, but her guess was about 1 cm. They hooked me up to the CTG, gave me the adalat tabs, and steroids and that was the last time I saw anyone for the next couple of hours, besides the first 45 minutes when they gave me too many adalat tabs! The midwife came in every couple of hours to check the trace, and then gave me her diagnoses of what the contractions were. They weren't contractions at all, just an irritable uterus! After being hooked up to the CTG all night (very uncomfortable to sleep with!) at 2.00pm yesterday, they finally took it off me! They then decided to transfer me back to the Maternity Ward. I had no money to pay for the TV ($14.00 a day) and no phone! Mum and DH bought me up some clothes to wear and after speaking to them, decided to come home under strict instructions not to leave my bed except to go to the toilet! So, here I am resting. Ringing the hospital in the morning to try and see an OB and get an u/s to find out how bubby is! That is the shortened version, but I got no explanations, no test results, nothing! She doesnt know what to do, is upset and says that everytime her baby moves it hurts. She said she doesnt feel safe at that hospital anymore and is contemplating coming in to the RWH. What do you all think? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] Re: Misoprostol
Dear All, Thanks so much for your responses re Misoprostol. There's certainly some food for thought in what I've read so far. Thanks again, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Misoprostol
I work in a very small hospital, covering acute, aged care, emergency, as well as midwifery. One of our GP obstetricians has requested that we have Misoprostol in stock (which we already have for acute patients) as "all the hospitals now use it for post-partum bleeding". I would be interested to know how common this is as it is another off label use. I'm also concerned that it will then be a small step to use if for cervical ripening/IOL. I notice in Hale that it is a category L3 (moderately safe) whereas Ergometrine is L4 (possibly hazardous) in breastfeeding mothers. I'm remembering the "olden days" when Ergometrine tablets were used fairly routinely for women with incomplete 3rd stage or were passing clots - I don't remember the exact dose - but it was used over several days in reducing doses (I even had it myself 30 yrs ago!). Interested to hear any comments or research that anyone has regarding Misoprostol and post-partum bleeding (I'm assuming he means haemorrhage, not normal bleeding). Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Royal Women's Hospital Family Birth Centre
Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC
BRIGHT Vic 3741
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Sally Cocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@krudler.netc.net.au>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 22:41 PM
Subject: Fw: Royal Women's Hospital Family Birth Centre
> PLEASE read, sign, cut and paste to EVERYONE you know, regardless of where
> they live (the issue of choice and quality Maternity care knows no
> boundaries). When the petition reaches 100 signatures, please forward back
> to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and continue to forward the petition on
to
> everyone you know,beginning again at 1.
>
> The completed petitions will be forwarded to the Royal Women's Hospital
and
> local and federal government.
>
>
>
> The Royal Women's Hospital (RWH) in Melbourne is planning to close its
> Family Birth Centre (FBC), allegedly due to "cost ineffectiveness". This
is
> the latest in a long line of government sanctioned birth facility
closures.
> The FBC provides free public care from a small, personal and highly
skilled
> team of Midwifes, for women enjoying a normal pregnancy and who go on to
> experience a normal birth (ie: no major medical complications). The FBC
> provides a "home-like" environment, with large, friendly private rooms
that
> contain double beds for partners to stay in; a deep bath and multiple
> showers for use in labour; expert evidence-based Midwifery care; and a
> million little touches that encourage a positive and low intervention
birth
> experience (CD players and aromatherapy burners in every room for use
during
> labour, birth balls, birth stools, beanbags, floormats, soft lighting for
> the room during labour, a "rooming in" policy for newborns and parents, an
> early discharge program, minimal medical apparatus and intervention during
> labour, a higher Midwife to birthing woman ratio than the labour and
> delivery ward, etc).
>
> The Hospital is now planning to "streamline" their birthing women into
"low
> risk" and "high risk", all in the labour and delivery ward, where there
are
> no private rooms, no homely touches, no double beds, no standard "rooming
> in" of newborns, lower staff to birthing woman ratios, far higher
> interventions, less availability of natural birthing aides such as bath,
> shower, etc.
>
> The planned closure of the FBC is a travesty against informed choice and
> birthing options for women.
>
> Whilst a Hospital Birth Centre is still intrinsically a Hospital
> environment, and there are some similarities between the FBC and the
labour
> ward, the differences are vast, and it is those differences that set apart
> the FBC from the labour ward and necessitate its ongoing existence. It is
> what the FBC represents, and what it is a stepping stone towards (in terms
> of societal acceptance of normal birth and midwifery care based in
evidence)
> that matters - and that is damaged severely by this closure.
>
> The statistics, research and evidence overwhelmingly support Birth Centre
> care for normal ("low risk") pregnancy and birth; yet this highly popular,
> healthy and successful option is now being removed from women's reach, due
> to "cost effectiveness" (which has got to lead to serious concerns in
> respect to ethical conflict of interest; when a low intervention facility
is
> closed because the Hospital is not making enough money from it, does this
> mean the Hospital makes more money from intervening in birth? A logical
> conclusion can only be yes, that is exactly what this closure means. And
> what does this mean for the health and wellbeing of those women who are
> receiving these profitable, but medically unnecessary, interventions?).
>
> If the way we birth our children, and a woman's right to choose how she
> wishes to birth, matters to you (and it should matter to ALL OF US),
please
> add your voice to this cause by signing the petition.
>
> The long range effects of this massive backwards trend are dire. Birthing
> choices are being cut every year, and the marks are being left on the
> vulnerable women and babies in our system.
>
> It is our responsibility to do something - sign and be a "Friend of the
RWH
> Vic FBC"!!
>
> SAVE THE RWH (Vic) FAMILY BIRTH CENTRE!!!
>
> 1. Felicity Dowker, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 2. Janet Fraser, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 3. Karen McElroy, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 4. Jenny Adams, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 5. Assunta Hunter, Melbourne , Victoria
>
> 6. Rachel Canaway, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 7. Alison Brookes, Melbourne, Victoria
>
> 8. Jane Yule, Me
[ozmidwifery] Re: Omeo midwife?
Hi Noah and Danika, I managed to contact my midwife friend yesterday and I'm afraid she doesn't know of anyone doing homebirths in the area, not even from Bairnsdale. However, it is probably something she hasn't had to look into in the past. I looked on the Homebirth Australia website and the closest I could find was Maffra which is probably too far away. There were midwives listed just with mobile phone numbers, so I don't know where they are situated. Keep trying and good luck with your endeavours to find somebody. Sorry I can't give you more "joy" on the subject. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Omeo midwife?
Hi Noah and Danika, I used to live and work in Omeo, some 16 years back. I still have contact with a midwife who still works at the Omeo hospital so will give her a call and find out if she knows of anyone doing homebirths in the area. There is a homebirth midwife near Wodonga, but I think Omeo would be too far to travel, especially at that time of the year. There may be someone in the Bairnsdale area, I don't know. I'll let you know what I find out. Best wishes, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Noah Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 17:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Omeo midwife? > Howdy, > > My wife and I are expecting our first child in June. We currently live > in Melbourne but it's likely that we'll be moving to rural Omeo at the > start of the year to take a teaching position. We hope to organize a > home birth in Omeo, but we don't know if it's possible. The Omeo > hospital no longer does deliveries - now they take place in Bairnsdale, > 90 minutes away. We would prefer a home birth but we don't know if this > puts obstetrical support too far away. > > If anyone knows of (or is) a good midwife in the area please let us > know. Any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Noah and Danika Davis > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep
Dear Kate, My heart goes out to you, but I don't have any real answers I'm afraid. I would certainly back up contacting Pinky, also William Sears (in USA) has just written a new book on sleep and James McKenna has done a lot of work on sleep. A search for either of these names might bring something up for you. My own 3 (now grown up but less than 3 yrs between the 3) didn't sleep through the night till they were 4, but when they woke only needed a breastfeed or cuddle - I just spent the night "bed-hopping" or they came in with us (in a regular sized double bed in those days). I was at least able to get back to sleep between wakings. It was normal to be up to them around 6 times a night in total, but nothing like you're experiencing. I do feel for you and am amazed that you're still sane. Take care, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep > Can anyone point me in a direction for 3yo sleep issues? > > Mine has always been a bad sleeper but she has got worse in the last year > (with the transition from a cot?). Between the 2 of them (6yo, but 90% Miss > 3), I would consider it a good night if I am up 4 times for 20 mins each > time. Bad nights are at least every hour. I'm starting to find that by 6pm I > am exhausted and far too crabby - and so are they. Going to bed isn't a > problem. > > Sometimes I go to the crying (last night was 7 times in one hour, plus four > other blocks) but mostly it seems to have no effect. At times I don't think > she even realises I'm there and I can't get through to her. Others she'll > settle, but within 3 minutes, she starts again. Others she'll insist on > coming to my room. Sometimes I don't go in, and she will eventually come to > me. > > We have a mattress on the floor right next to me, which is used every night. > It usually doesn't alter the wakenings (but it makes my life a bit easier). > I have slept in her room, with no effect.While my eldest was away in the > school holidays (6 nights), I slept in her room, right next door to Miss 3. > The last couple of nights I was only woken briefly 2-3 times a night, but > that has happened in the past and wasn't enough for me to think it was > anything more than a temporary aberration. It returned to normal with her > sister's return - even though I slept on a mattress outside their rooms. > Being close to me (and she is a definite Mummy's girl) just doesn't seem to > be the solution. > > The issue is coming to a head because my husband has had an amazing ability > to sleep through it. He will sometimes wake at 4 or 5 to find me in tears > and has no idea why - usually that I have been up all night and haven't yet > been to sleep. However, for the last month, for some reason, it has been > waking him. So he is at breaking point and telling me we need to do > something. > > I'm concerned about heading off to a sleep guru because I have no intention > of locking her in her room - and that's what it will take to keep her in her > room. But it won't stop the crying which I know can go on for hours (and I > can't sleep through it). > > The sleep discussion has focussed on infants - but what about older > children? Can anyone give me ideas/point me towards something? > > Many thanks > > Kate > > > - Original Message - > From: "Barbara Glare & Chris Bright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE > > > Hi, > > If you are interested in Elizabeth Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution, you can > hear her speak at ABA seminars in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and > Adelaide from March 2nd-7th 2006. It's going to be fabulous - heaps of > other great speakers, too. I'd love to be able to direct you to the website > so you can register straight away..but I can't. It's not finished yet. > The brochures will be out soon, so I'll keep you informed. For ABA > subscribers and LRC subscribers, you will get information in Essence and > Breastfeeding Review. The seminars are open to all midwives, mothers, > health professionals of all types, esp those with a passion for > breastfeeding. > > Barb > - Original Message - > From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep - UPDATE > > > > Thanks so much to everyone who replied
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth
I might be wrong, but I think many mammals eat the placenta. I'm trying to remember from when my family had goats when I was a young girl. I certainly remember being absolutely fascinated watching a goat give birth even though my parents tried to tear me away - I couldn't do anything but watch! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Andrea Quanchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 14:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth I cant imagine any animal doing this as it would be too dangerous. A dragging placenta would attract to many predators and one sitting in a nest or a den would be attractive to flies etc which would bring their own problems. Andrea Quanchi On 18/10/2005, at 11:01 PM, Vedrana Valčić wrote: > Just being curious, does anyone know what other mammals do? I suppose > they cut the cord with their teeth, but I don't know when. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania > Smallwood > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:34 PM > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus Birth > > Here here Belinda! This notion that anyone has the right to "allow" or > "disallow" women to do or not do anything when it comes to their > birth, is > just not cricket! > > Before we start debating the semantics of lotus birth, we need to all > be > going in to bat for women and their right to birth the way they need > and > want to. If this means wearing a polka dotted clown suit, or singing > Dixie > at the top of her voice, (or God forbid, not cutting the cord), and > that's > what she truly needs to be able to birth in her own way, then we need > to > respect that! > > Now that's enough from me for tonight... > > Tania > Xx > > PS I have a copy of Shivam Rachana's Lotus Birth book, very > interesting, > lots of gorgeous photos, and certainly made me think twice before > cutting > the cord of my babies, we ended up leaving it for a few hours and then > it > just seemed right for us to cut, but I can see how and why for some > families > it just seems right to leave it. A bit like birth, if all's well, > leave > well alone... > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
I guessbut don't really know. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords So, in my case would you say it is just a coincidence that I had both? Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 From: "Joy Cocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cordsDate: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:44 +1000 Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis & other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies . It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember the babies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, she does have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis & other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies . It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember the babies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, she does have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:BF video
Dear Vedrana, Thanks so much for the video...I love it!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
Yes, please, Judy. Thanks Joy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Judy Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 21:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video > Any more takers for this one??? > It will take a while for me on my slow line to upload. > I will try to get on line about lunch time tomorrow to send to > those who say. > Cheers > Judy > > --- Kate &/or Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ditto please > > > > Kate > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > > From: Denise Hynd > > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video > > > > > > Judy > > can you send it to me? > > Thank you > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Denise Hynd > > > > "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in > > action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose > > exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be > > handled." > > > > - Linda Hes > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Judy Chapman > > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 PM > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF video > > > > > > I have just been sent a hilarious video (2MB). Mum doing a > > yoga handstand, baby crawling and knows where the good stuff > > comes from... Need I say more. > > What a laugh. > > On a par with one of my bellydance mates who is still BF a > > 2 yr old. 10 min prior to performance it was a loud "Titta, > > Mum, Titta" and when side one was finished "Other side Mum, > > other side". > > God love 'em. > > Cheers > > Judy > > > > > > > -- -- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Messenger 7.0: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends > > overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release > > Date: 24/08/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. You could win a holiday to see them! > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/promotions/messenger/ > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush Treatment
Dear Jo, If you email me privately I will send (as an attachment) a handout I have for thrush in the breast. It sure sounds like thrush to me! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 13:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thrush Treatment > ... I still have thrush. We've been treating for the last 3 weeks, and > it seems to have (?mostly) gone from my actual nipples, but it is still > definitely in my ducts. I am having trouble getting a prescription for > Fluconazole (Diflucan) as is recommended, as the drug isn't actually > authorised for breastfeeding. It is needed on an authority script > because it's hundreds of dollars. I got a breastmilk sample sent off > the other day to try to culture the candida, but due to the properties > in BM, I doubt it will show up anything. > > I read on Dr Hale's site that he doesn't actually believe in ductal > thrush, and says this: "Some of us in this field are wondering if this > intense pain could be neuritis or neuopathic in origin, following nipple > trauma of some sort. But no one really understands the origin of this > pain." So, should I just suck it up and get on with it, or follow up > on the diflucan? From what I've read, the symptoms I have are from > thrush: Deep breast pain with onset towards the end of a feed or > beginning after a feed and lasting up to an hour (or more at times); > Worse at night; sometimes radiates into my sternum. One nipple is > intact and has been for WEEKS now, but at night it does hurt to feed > more. The other nipple that was almost missing has come back and is > almost healed. It too, hurts more at night, sometimes burning after a > feed (both of them) for a good 1/2 hour. > > Does anyone have any experience with this? MM sent me some info saying > that Diflucan is the drug of choice for this, but if I can't get it > prescribed because it's not authorised, is there any other choice apart > from living with it? > > Thanks :) > > Jo (mum to Will, 10 weeks old today) > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:sounds during labour/birth
When I had my babies (30 odd years ago) I was very conscious of being "good" and not making a noise, being a midwife at the time and giving birth in the place where I had worked. My daughter gave birth to her first 7 years ago and the only outward sign of a contraction was a very slight (almost imperceptable) change in her breathing. Very confident single mother with support from her sister, her friend, her midwife and me at that time. 2nd pregnancy, twins at 27/40. No-one had time to get to the hospital to be with her, even though I was in the city at the time - labour recorded as 31 mins. She told me that she was screaming for an epidural - very sick babies, one survived, one didn't. Fear was a very big part of this labour (obviously). Now 3rd pregnancy which I expect will be similar to the first labour, with support from partner, older son and me. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:placenta accreta
Re the placenta accreta which was left to come out on it's own. I'm wondering what the effect on lactation was? Did this woman's milk "come in" do you know, Jan? Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Single Uterine Artery
Further to discussion a few weeks ago - according to a local obstetrician/ultrasonographer, previous information that SUA increases the likelihood of renal anomalies has now been disproven and there is no need for the baby to undergo renal ultrasound unless a problem presents. Sorry, I don't have any references, just word of mouth. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins
Justine, Congratulations, wonderful news!! Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Justine Caines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "OzMid List" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth of twins > Dear Sue and all > > What a story! Great work to you and the wonderful Mum > > I have recently found I am too carrying twins (babe 5 and 6!) Paul is off > for a vasectomy shortly after!!! > > I have read quite a few stories. I refuse to read Hosp managed stories as > they are so medicalised and will scare me witless. > > I have read so many good HB twin stories of babies born at term great sizes > and healthy. I went to see a believing Ob (only because I have no faith in > local GP's and my midwife is hours away!) > and he said "if you grow good size babies the risk to twins is the same as a > singleton, so why not stay at home! > > Looking forward to another great twin homebirth story Nov/Early December! > > Justine > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Inspired
Dear ? I have forwarded this email on to my daughter who completed a BMid at ACU last year and is now working at Box Hill hospital. Good luck with your enquiries. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jenny Cameron To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 22:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Inspired FYI Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 0835 0419 528 717 - Original Message - From: ACMI To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: FW: Inspired Can I have some feedback on this request please I wouldnt know where to start Regards Beth Bethany Leditschke Office manager Australian College of Midwives (02) 6230 7333 Hello, I am a mother of an 8 year old and 6 year old and am 36 years of age.. I have been reading some of your articles as I am very very interested in doing the Bachelor of Midwifery (applying to ACU). I am a little daunted at the thought but also feel strongly about working in this area . I teach Pre-Natal Yoga and love being with the Women (it always feels like such an honour) to be with them through the months but I feel I want to do and know more hence considering the work of a Midwife. I am wondering if anyone has the time to let me know what I am in for re hours per week of lectures and study time I am of course going to attend the open day in August, but would love to hear from a student how they cope and if you know of any other mothers doing the degree. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 27/06/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] physiological 3rd stage
Me to please Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] physiological 3rd stage I would love to see your package Janet. Love Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] Single umbilical artery
Hi Tanya, My daughter has been diagnosed with the same thing. It means there is an increased risk of abnormalities, particularly to do with the kidneys. Also a greater risk of premature labour and C/S (don't know why!) However, one would hope that anything major would be picked up on the scan also. There is also a possibility of false diagnosis if the view of the cord isn't good. Have a lookat www.womens-health.co.uk/sua.asp Also if you do a search of the ozmid archives there was some information on single umbilical artery a few months ago. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tanya Fleming To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Single umbilical artery Hi everyonewanting to hear peoples experience with diagnosis of a single umbilical artery by U/S at 20 weeks? What have outcomes been like? Is there a chance of false diagnosis? I have a member of family who has been given this info recently. I am accompanying her to Brisbane for a more high tech scan next week. Cheers, Tanya.
[ozmidwifery] Rachele Meredith
Hi Rachele, I have been wanting to "talk" with you but seem to have lost your email address. Could you email me privately please? Thanks Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Home Birthing Wangaratta area?
Hi Andrea, If you email me privately I can pass on some details to you. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Andrea Bilcliff To: Ozmidwifery ; Maternity Coalition Midwives Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 14:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Home Birthing Wangaratta area? Are there any midwives in the Wangaratta area (or who are willing to travel) for a homebirth? Thanks Andrea Bilcliff
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Hi Helen, Your test emails (3) have come through to me, but nothing in the subject line, not even [ozmidwifery]. I've not had any mail from the list either, so probably just quiet over Easter. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 19:41 PM test email again.
Re: [ozmidwifery] returned
Hi Jan, Welcome back. If you email me privately I can give you contact details for an IPM in Wodonga area. Hmm...the short tongue. Not sure what you mean by the tongue 'folds back'? I couldn't get my youngest (now 29!) on the breast until she was 4/52 old. It wasn't until she was much older that I realised why - she had a short tongue. She needed to grow a bit and then she could manage and went on to breastfeed for 3 yrs. This mum might need to express and give EBM if the tongue can't cup the breast effectively. It would be good if she could have an LC assessment. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Janet Ireland To: oz ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] returned hi i have returned to line after 6 mths asking for help 1 baby with short tongue no tongue tie indeed no frenulum any one seen before healthy interestested attaches tongue folds back cant tranf milk 2mws for homebirth wodonga wcheproof swanhill 3 midwife in wa for home/hosp birth also natural childbirth advocates who are also obstettricians Mullaloo 6027. More well-known suburbs that Mullaloo is near are "Joondalup these enquires came from former clients cheers jan thankyou
[ozmidwifery] Re: "conference"
Hi Katrina, Lifechanging for me was the first time I heard Caroline Flint speak and attending a homebirth conference in Bendigo many years ago - both of these really ignited my passion for birth, not to mention, increased my faith SO much in women and birth. Good luck with selecting your "panel of speakers". There's also lots of excellent passionate Ausssie speakers, eg Andrea Robertson, Lynne Staff, Vicki Chan and more. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Hi Denise,
I have no idea, as I think the same as you. I think I
was too stunned at the time to even ask that question.
Joy
Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 15:28
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine
reaction
Dear Joy
I am curious to know how a newborn baby can or
does get a Hep B infection from staff
midwives being the staff with the most contact
are almost always Hep B vaccincated and checked as I think would be
paediatricians??
Denise Hynd
"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for
the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by
anyone, our bodies will be handled."
Linda Hes
- Original Message -
From:
Joy Cocks
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:13
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B
vaccine reaction
Hi Lisa and Nicole,
Like you, I have serious concerns about giving Hep B at
such an early age. I believe we are placing a very heavy insult
on a baby's natural immune system. I asked this question of an
Immunisation Nurse who was a speaker at a seminar I went to and she said
that most cases of Hep B with babies are contracted from staff! I'm
also concerned that parents are not given enough information on the pros and
cons of this first immunisation as, almost without exception, they sign the
permission form. I certainly find that babies are very often upset and
crying the night after it is given (I work night shift and often spend many
hours walking the baby in a sling when mum is too tired to cope any
longer). Certainly, if it is to be given I think it is preferable to
give it later in the stay in hospital, not immediately after birth together
with the Konakion - another injection that parents never seem to
refuse.
Joy
Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCemail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
lisa chalmers
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005
0:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B
vaccine reaction
Thats really interesting
Nicole, thankyou!
Coming from the uk, I know my
case,,and can state it..but being here I have found a high uptake off
vaccinations amongst babies and children..and have already had to sign all
sorts to get my children into school. I do believe in parents making
informed decisions..but often found the info available is biased..(in both
directions!)
As a midwife...if your
beliefs were suchcould you refuse to vaccinate babies?
And to clarify for me... if a
mother is not carrying hep B...how would a baby contact
it? Through a blood transfusion?
Do you have to report
reactions like that?
Hope you dont mind me
asking,..
lisax
- Original Message -
From:
Nicole Carver
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005
9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B
vaccine reaction
Hi Lisa,
Welcome to Australia!
Hepatitis B vaccine has been given
routinely at birth now for maybe five years. One of the most common
causes of Hepatitis B is contracting it from your mother at birth, if
she is a carrier.I believe the practice of Hep B vaccination at birth
came about because there were cases of babies of known Hep B
carriers who did not receive immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth,
also because the conversion to Hep B carrier status is very high if you
contract the disease in infancy. When universal hep B administration
came in, most midwives were not happy, but it was still introduced. The
doctors order it and the parents are given an information sheet to
read, which I believe does not give the whole picture (including that if
the birth dose is not given, the baby still gets a full course by having
Hep B vax at 2,4, and 12 months of age). Parents sign a consent form,
and then the vaccine is given if they wish to proceed. I like to give
the parents the risk factors for contracting Hep B, and the information
about the normal immunisation schedule, and let them decide. All the
women have their Hep B and C status checked antenatally, and are
likely to know if they are a carrier. Many ask what the majority of
parents do and are
Re: [ozmidwifery] new baby vaccine
And it's not even April Fool's Day!! Is this for real? Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] new baby vaccine > You might debate the necessity of some vaccines, but what about this one (below) I just found on NEWS.com.au , > How on earth does this make sense? > > Cheers > Megan > > Call for anti-junkie baby jab > February 26, 2005 > From: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/?from=ni_story > A GROUP of Queensland politicians want the federal Government to investigate giving an anti-junkie vaccination to babies. > The vaccination, being considered by British MPs, would render children immune to becoming smokers or drug users. > Delegates at this weekend's Queensland Nationals Central Council meeting on the Sunshine Coast will debate a resolution calling for the investigation. > Nationals member Ken Wilson, who is taking the issue to the meeting, said he had the backing of his 90-strong western Brisbane suburbs branch. "Drugs are a scourge," Mr Wilson said. > "I feel strongly about this and I'm inviting the federal Government to investigate it and if it proves worthwhile then do a vaccination program." > Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott is yet to be approached to investigate, but a spokeswoman said the vaccine was in the very early development stages. > Drug addiction is estimated to cost the Government $6 billion a year. > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Hi Lisa and Nicole, Like you, I have serious concerns about giving Hep B at such an early age. I believe we are placing a very heavy insult on a baby's natural immune system. I asked this question of an Immunisation Nurse who was a speaker at a seminar I went to and she said that most cases of Hep B with babies are contracted from staff! I'm also concerned that parents are not given enough information on the pros and cons of this first immunisation as, almost without exception, they sign the permission form. I certainly find that babies are very often upset and crying the night after it is given (I work night shift and often spend many hours walking the baby in a sling when mum is too tired to cope any longer). Certainly, if it is to be given I think it is preferable to give it later in the stay in hospital, not immediately after birth together with the Konakion - another injection that parents never seem to refuse. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCemail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 0:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Thats really interesting Nicole, thankyou! Coming from the uk, I know my case,,and can state it..but being here I have found a high uptake off vaccinations amongst babies and children..and have already had to sign all sorts to get my children into school. I do believe in parents making informed decisions..but often found the info available is biased..(in both directions!) As a midwife...if your beliefs were suchcould you refuse to vaccinate babies? And to clarify for me... if a mother is not carrying hep B...how would a baby contact it? Through a blood transfusion? Do you have to report reactions like that? Hope you dont mind me asking,.. lisax - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Lisa, Welcome to Australia! Hepatitis B vaccine has been given routinely at birth now for maybe five years. One of the most common causes of Hepatitis B is contracting it from your mother at birth, if she is a carrier.I believe the practice of Hep B vaccination at birth came about because there were cases of babies of known Hep B carriers who did not receive immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth, also because the conversion to Hep B carrier status is very high if you contract the disease in infancy. When universal hep B administration came in, most midwives were not happy, but it was still introduced. The doctors order it and the parents are given an information sheet to read, which I believe does not give the whole picture (including that if the birth dose is not given, the baby still gets a full course by having Hep B vax at 2,4, and 12 months of age). Parents sign a consent form, and then the vaccine is given if they wish to proceed. I like to give the parents the risk factors for contracting Hep B, and the information about the normal immunisation schedule, and let them decide. All the women have their Hep B and C status checked antenatally, and are likely to know if they are a carrier. Many ask what the majority of parents do and are guided by that. Most parents at this stage are going ahead with it. While I can't prove that the incident I experienced tonight was caused by the vaccine, it only occured at the most 10 minutes after the vaccine. I don't know if the baby is contraindicated for further vaccines, but would be very careful. It probably should be done at the Royal Childrens Hospital where they have a specialised clinic for babies who have had vaccine reactions. I am not sure how I will be able to give the vaccine to another baby after that experience. Kind regards, Nicole. - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hello everyone. I'm fairly new to Australia, (from the Uk) but have been an avid follower of this site for some time now. And, by way of an introduction..and as a first post I feel compelled to ask about this vaccineby my nature, I havnt vaccinated my kids...but as far as this particular vaccine is concernedwhy is it given routinely?? I ask, because I thought that hep B was passed on by blood and sex..(to be crude)...what infant is genuinely at risk of this?? If a baby has a reaction
Re: [ozmidwifery] BMID
Victoria University, St Albans (Melb) Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Marcia To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 19:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BMID which uni Joy? thanks. marcia
Re: [ozmidwifery] B/MID FOLLOW UP
Hi Marcia, My daughter has just completed her Bmid and is commencing a fulltime position at Box Hill next month. As far as I know most, if not all, of her contemporaries have had job offers. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Marcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 14:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] B/MID FOLLOW UP > I would like to hear from anyone currently involved in follow -up of our > first graduates of the Bachelor of Midwifery . > Have all who applied for employment for 2005 been successful? > thanks Marcia > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Wangaratta
Title: Homebirth in Wangaratta Hi Justine, I live near Wangaratta. I'll give Liz Fuchsen a call and see if she is still doing homebirths. She was my daughter's midwife when she had her 1st. I'll be in touch again. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 22:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth in Wangaratta Dear AllI have an inquiry through the HBA website for a homebirth in Wangaratta.I know of the modified caseload (my god that term annoys me, a bit like, a little pregnant!!) model there but this request is Specifically for HB.Any midwives down there??In solidarityJustineJustine CainesSecretaryHomebirth AustraliaPO Box 105Merriwa NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.homebirthaustralia.org
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long)
Hi Miriam, I am horrified at this hospital's attitude and totally agree with your thoughts. However, it sounds like the hospital staff are unlikely to change their stance on this. The only thing I'm wondering about is maybe they would consider a supply line with EBM in the bottle whilst the baby suckles at the breast. Your follow-through woman is very fortunate to have you as a support and advocate. My younger grandson was born at 27/40 (surviving twin) and started breastfeeding at about 34/40. However, it could/should have been earlier. He actually attached really well and was "easier" to get on the breast than his older brother, born at 37/40! I'm sure Jack Newman would have something on breastfeeding premmies in his articles, go to www.erols.com/cindyrn/drjack0.htm It's also really easy to contact him direct by email. The word of a world renowned paediatrician may carry some weight! Also ABA has a booklet on breastfeeding premmies. Keep up the good work. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Miriam Hannay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 22:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding a premmie baby (very long) > Hi all, hope you can help me with advice for a follow > through woman (i am a commencing 2nd yr Bmid > student)who had her babe by emerg. LSCS at 35 weeks on > 22nd December due to PROM + active labour, baby > footling breech. Babe was 2490 grams at birth but had > pretty bad RDS and spent a week in NICU requiring > heaps of oxygen support. All's well now, and mum has > marvellous milk supply which she would love to give > her baby, BUT!! > > The woman has been expressing 8 times in 24 hours and > getting 60-100 mLs per session, babe is being gavage > fed in nursery and is constantly sleepy and not keen > to go on the breast. When the woman requested no dummy > and bottle and to be called when her babe woke to > start establishing demand feeding at breast, staff > immediately became VERY negative, refusing to speak > with her, ignoring requests for assistance etc. She > was told she was 'doing it the hard way' and that if > she refused to allow her baby to be given EBM by > bottle she would end up stuck in hospital for weeks. > She has allowed the baby to be given EBM by bottle and > does feel that breastfeeding is improving but feels > uncomfortable with staff and that she's not being > given the chance to give breastfeeding a good shot. I > have watched her feed and when alert the baby feeds > well, the woman's attachment technique is great and > they are a great unit. I have four of my own, all > extended breastfed so I feel confident in supporting > her breastfeeding but am lost with these nursery > protocols. One midwife told her that nipple confusion > was 'crap' and that without bottle feeding as > transition her baby would take much longer > 'graduating' to the breast. Every core of my being > screams out that these people are WRONG but i'm not > sure where the best evidence lies. My Maye's Midwifery > supports the idea of demand feeding premmies and > avoiding nipple confusion but the info is a little > light for my liking. What do you all think? This woman > has been told to expect her baby to be in hospital > until she's term but she's desperate to get her home > ASAP. Any advice would be wonderful, regards, miriam > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: first breastfeed
I don't do anything. "Expect" doesn't mean that there is cause for worry if the baby appears well - there's always variations to normal! Like you, I would just watch and wait. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 16:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: first breastfeed > Joy Cocks wrote"and we expect 1 wet nappy and 1 meconium stool in that > time." What do you do if they don't pass urine or mec and how can one be > sure that the urine it isn't mixed up with the mec?? In homebirth, the > parents or I often don't see firm evidence of P/U until after 24hrs. I > don't know if the babies don't urinate or if it is too difficult to tell. > Also it is hard to know whether they P/U'd in the water after they are > waterbirthed. Got any tips? If the baby is well, then I don't worry about > it, just keep looking for the evidence. cheers, MM > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: first breastfeed
I work in a very small hospital with "low risk" women giving birth there. In the healthy neonate, I am personally not concerned if they don't feed for 24 hours but, of course, in that time they should be given lots of opportunities to feed, skin to skin (with mother and babe stripped to the waist) - as someone said, so as not to miss an opportunity. Even better if you can restrict visitors during this time, but easier said than done, I know! Provided the baby remains alert when awake and healthy looking I am not concerned. The last thing I would want to do is give the baby a bad experience with feeding by trying to force it to breastfeed or put something nasty down it's throat, such as a suction or gavage tube. This then often makes the baby fight the next thing that is put into it's mouth. Of course, interventions in labour can have an impact on how soon the baby wants to feed too. The expected infant intake on Day 1 is 5 -100 mils colostrum (average 30 mils) and we expect 1 wet nappy and 1 meconium stool in that time. Hope this helps. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Stillbirth memory ideas
Oh, also a memory garden can be created further down the track if they are interested in gardening, or special plants. Roses are especially good as you can often find ones with names that are particularly meaningful for the family. For instance, there is the ABA 'Mothers Love' and also one called 'Angel Face'. You can have a plaque made up 'In memory of.etc' and put that with the tree or plant that has been chosen. I think it's a nice way to remember, at least it is for me, but anything the family chooses is fine. (Our family also decorates the grave at Christmas - Santa even visits and leaves a small gift - and sends balloons up to Tilly on her birthday and anniversary.) Writing a song or poem for the babies could be a possibility in the future. It's very early days yet, there's no need to rush anything. Let them take all the time they need. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kate &/or Nick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 20:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stillbirth memory ideas Hi I'm a first year BMid. A little over a month ago, one of my follow through women had stillborn twins. Because she is still quite ill (and in hospital), the funeral is yet to be held and we have just starting to talk about momentos. We've covered a lot, but I wanted any other ideas. We've talked about: ¯photos ¯foot, hand & lip prints ¯hair & nail clippings ¯body tracing ¯hospital bracelets cot name cards cord clamps tape measure blanket clothing anything that has come into contact with the babies memory box Any other ideas would be gratefully received. Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Stillbirth memory ideas
Dear Kate, Perhaps a special soft toy for each twin could be included, cards sent from friends, angels - there's some nice prints/cards of 2 cherubs kissing which represents twins very nicely. Our family celebrates each birthday and Christmas with gifts and cards for our own angelbaby. These then go in to her memory box. Take care, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kate &/or Nick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 20:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stillbirth memory ideas Hi I'm a first year BMid. A little over a month ago, one of my follow through women had stillborn twins. Because she is still quite ill (and in hospital), the funeral is yet to be held and we have just starting to talk about momentos. We've covered a lot, but I wanted any other ideas. We've talked about: ¯photos ¯foot, hand & lip prints ¯hair & nail clippings ¯body tracing ¯hospital bracelets cot name cards cord clamps tape measure blanket clothing anything that has come into contact with the babies memory box Any other ideas would be gratefully received. Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Gentian Violet?
Hi Abby, Yes, it is very difficult to obtain in Australia. There was a study that showed it caused cancer in rats/mice but this was in very large doses - far more than a baby would receive. Sorry, I don't have the reference for the actual study. It is still recommended by Dr Jack Newman, a VERY breastfeeding friendly paediatrician in Canada. His information is freely available on the web -www.erols.com/cindyrn/6htm Hopefully, this address is still current, if not, do a search for Dr Jack Newman articles. Hope this is of some help Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gentian Violet? > Hi, > > can anyone help me in locating info about the dangers of gentian violet? It > was my understanding that in Oz we stopped recommending it quite some time > ago because of some dangers?? My sister in America has been told to use it > on her 4 week old daughter for thrush. Any info, especially online that I > can access and email straight to her would be great. > Please correct me if I'm wrong or if you have other ideas about the benefits > etc. > > Thanks > Love Abby > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Video
Title: Let's Keep the Pressure Up Dear Sally, I don't know which video was shown at the ACMI conference, but their 2 videos are "In Union" (showing lots of different birth pictures, each one merging into the next) and "In a Simple Way...A Child is Born". I'm sure you could get them through Birth International or Capers or directly from Nic and Vicki. Try www.birthfire.com Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: sally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 15:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Video Could somebody please remind me of the name of the video by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone that was shown at the opening of the ACMI conference. I would like to order a copy for the library at work. This is very exciting because I work in a tertiary hospital...things are looking up. Sally PS. Where do I order it from?
Re: [ozmidwifery] Prochiaden and breastfeeding?
L1 is the safest, but I would have to look right through the book for other antidepressants as the drugs are in alphabetical order. Don't have time right now but maybe in the next few days(?). Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 17:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Prochiaden and breastfeeding? > >>And/or, the > > evidence of a demonstrated risk which is likely to follow use of this > > medication in a breastfeeding woman is remote." > > Hope this helps > > Joy > > Thanks Joy. I did mean Prothiaden, I wrote down c instead of t when she was > telling me the spelling. > Does the book say if there are any safer drugs? Or is L2 the safest with > least effects? > > Thanks > Love Abby. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Prochiaden and breastfeeding?
Hi Abby, I presume you mean Prothiaden? According to Hale (2002) it is a category L2 which means: "SAFER: Drug which has been studied in a limited number of breastfeeding women without an increase in adverse effects in the infant. And/or, the evidence of a demonstrated risk which is likely to follow use of this medication in a breastfeeding woman is remote." Hope this helps Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 15:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Prochiaden and breastfeeding? > Thought some of you wise women could help with a friends query. She has been > prescribed Prochiaden 25mg for depression and she is breastfeeding her 2 > month old. She was worried about the side effects and what effects that > would have on bubs. I thought that most anti depressants would have similiar > side effects listed ie. drowsiness, dizziness, nausea(? spelling) > Do any of you know much about this drug? are there any safer anti > depressants for pregnancy ( DISCLAIMER- I am actually not a fan of anti > depressants at all. I believe most "depression" can be cured with exercise, > nutrition and various therapies. However, she is adimant about taking them > and so I want to find out the safest). > Could someone look it up in, is it Dr Hales, book? > > Thanks so much. > Love Abby > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f
Hi Rita, If you would like to email me offlist maybe we can 'talk' some more about this and perhaps come up with a bit of an action plan. Retained products can definitely have an effect on lactogenesis! Take care, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Deliverywoman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f Colleen, May I please ask how the 'Eglonyl' helped, how long you remained on this medication and what side effects if any that you experienced. As I have previous difficulties as some have been previously described, I have been given maxalon for one of them to no avail. It was also suggested for me to use motilium but did not get to that point. I also have a question for you wonderful wise women. With some information and background first. With babe No. 4, throughout the pregnancy as with any pregnancy being different, this one was as well and more noiticable was the different way in which my breasts responded to the pregnancy. I felt confident and secure that finally this time I would be successful in breastfeeding my babe. But alas, it again was not to be. I have a theory and would love some feedback. With this babe, I was prescribed the maxalon at a higher than normal dose for lactation assistance (4 q.i.d) - or so I was 'told'. Babe started experiencing extremely low blood sugar levels and despite my refusal, they supplemented him with would you believe 50MLS EVERY THREE HOURS, when gastric tube placed in gut for the next feed, there was formula coming back up, HE WASN'T HUNGRY, but I know that 50mls is certainly excessive. The question relates to the fact that post birth I felt extremely boggy in the uterus and felt as if I had retained products. I even passed what I still to this day KNOW was placental tissue (as a student midwife, you certainly see a lot of clots etc. on pads post-partum...) I kept it and a 'midwife' looked at it, flushed it and said 'no that is nothing, just a blood clot'. The one thing I did NOT experience with this breastfeeding experience was that of my milk 'coming in'. For 6 weeks I argued with M&CHN and doctor that I had retained products and that I still had not experienced my milk coming in and was 'ignored'. Three months later with babe on formula, me still spotting bright PV loss, I saw my gyno whom performed a D & C and lo and behold - PATH RESULT - RETAINED PRODUCTS OF CONCEPTION. (No way this could have been a 'miscarriage' or 'blighted ovum') as no sexual intercourse had occurred post-natally. What degree of impact do you wonderful women believe the retained placental bits and pieces would have actually had on my breastfeeding experience. Just to add to this, I had reason to see my gyno for unrelated issue and asked him regarding the possiblity of retaining this time around and explained the reason behind my question and his reply was 'Totally nonsense, that would not have had any impact on your breastfeeding what-so-ever??' This comment came from a very well known AND respected Obsetrician whom many are aware. I must say that I am still in shock from his comment. Looking forward to your replies. Thanx for putting up with my many posts regarding this issue. Yours in Childbirth Rita
Re: [ozmidwifery] cracked nipples
Someone else's words - "the only thing to put on sore nipples is a well-attached baby"! Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 21:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] cracked nipples Look into homoepathics... phytolacca; Grated carrot; Geranium leaves; but FIRST OF ALL CORRECT POSITIONING! breastmilk! Melissah Marr Forum Admin, Natural Parenting Magazine NaturalParenting.com.au# Natural Parenting Magazine # Articles # Message Forums # eCards # Classifieds # Resources #Baby wearing, breastfeeding, co-sleeping, gentle discipline, pregnancy, health and nutrition, family life - Original Message - From: Debbie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] cracked nipples Am lloking also for two contemporary therapies to treat cracked nipples. Any ideas there. Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: 60 Mins & Caesarean Section
Title: FW: 60 Mins & Caesarean Section Hi Justine, Well said, and eloquent as ever! I want to personally thank you for that which you do for women and babies and you do it so well. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 22:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: 60 Mins & Caesarean Section Hi all Heres a message to Ann and a letter to the EdJCxx-- Forwarded MessageFrom: Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:45:27 +1100To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: 60 Mins & Caesarean SectionDear AnnI was disappointed to see your piece regarding the 60 Mins story. I appeared on the show as the natural birth advocate I am in fact the National President of Australias only national maternity advocacy organisation, The Maternity Coalition. I work for 30 hours each week (unpaid) to try and improve maternity services for Australian women, with particular emphasis on enabling women to make a range of choices and to receive better support (especially in the post-natal period).Considering you are passionate about choice you may like to assist us to to provide a full scope of choice. Through our work and research available we know that the majority of Australian women would choose to be cared for by a known midwife if this care was funded. One to one midwifery care is recognised by the World Health Organisation as the most appropriate and cost effective care for normal pregnancies (around 80%).In New Zealand women have been able to choose either a midwife, GP or Obstetrician for over 10 years. Before the choice was available 14% of NZ women chose a midwife, now 70% of women do.In Australia 0.2% of women can chose to be cared for by a known midwife.I would be happy to talk with you about this further, and hope you can assist Australian women to make the best choice for them. Below is a copy of a letter to the Editor.Kind regardsJustineJustine CainesNational President Maternity Coalition IncPO Box 105MERRIWA NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ann Peacocks piece praising the 60 Minutes on caesarean section birth sadly missed the point.I appeared on 60 Minutes as the natural birth advocate I am in fact the National President of Australias only national maternity advocacy organisation, The Maternity Coalition.60 Minutes approached with a story of the little known risks of caesarean section, that of emergency hysterectomies after caesarean section. Although they were aware of the information 60 Minutes did not reveal that in Victoria there has been a 140% increase in the last 3 reported years (20 in 1999 to 48 in 2002) of emergency hysterectomy following caesarean section. On March 29 the Age reportedProfessor King, who chairs the committee that gathers data on childbirth in Victoria, said he believed that caesarean section should be advised against where there was no medical reason for the surgery. Women should have choices in childbirth. Our organisation has committed Mothers across the country working voluntarily to improve maternity services as they raise their own children. Anne reporting your own experience does nothing to provide women with facts or enable them to make informed choices about such an important life event.Compared with normal vaginal birth caesarean section increases the chance of the mother dying by up to 6 times, many babies born by c/s require admission to intensive care (due to respiratory distress as their lungs are not stimulated by the birth process), in around 10% of cases babies are cut in the process. And after all that the rate of urinary incontinence is similar for women who have had natural births and caesarean section. In fact a study actually found religious Nuns who had never borne children similarly suffered incontinence . Women deserve to know the facts before they choose.Justine CainesNational President Maternity Coalition IncPO Box 105MERRIWA NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- End of Forwarded Message
[ozmidwifery] Re:home alone
Hi Jessica, This isn't 'home alone' exactly, but I do have personal experience with going home with one baby instead of two. My daughter had very premmie twins, one died at age 2/7. Sids and Kids also offers support for stillbirth and neonatal death as well as the other groups that others have mentioned. Another internet group is Ozmost (Aust Mothers of Surviving Twins) which my daughter found most helpful. It's also important to recognise the extended family as well as the parents and siblings when such an event occurs. I was trying to support and help my daughter and family through this whilst also experiencing my own grief through losing my little granddaughter. My daughter's partner made a video as a way of dealing with his grief - he found that really helpful, and this video is now being used in some of the major maternity hospitals to educate staff and to support parents in a similar situation. Email me privately if you would like to 'talk' more and I know that my daughter would be happy to talk to you as well. All the best, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: B12
Hi Rochelle, According to Thomas Hale's 2002 book re medications, Cyanocobalamin is Pregnancy Risk Category: A, which is 'Controlled studies in women fail to demonstrate a risk to the foetus in the first trimester (and there is no evidence of a risk in later trimesters) and the possibility of foetal harm appears remote.' Lactation Risk Category: L1, which is 'Safest: Drug which has been taken by a large number of breastfeeding mothers without any observed increase in adverse effects in the infant. Controlled studies in breastfeeding women fail to demonstrate a risk to the infant and the possibility of harm to the breastfeeding infant is remote; or the product is not orally bioavailable in an infant.' Hope this helps, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension.
Hi Mary, There are some essential oils that can be used to lower blood pressure, but some of these are contraindicated during pregnancy ( 'Aromatherapy in Midwifery Practice' by Denise Tiran.) I'm sure that there are naturopathic and herbal remedies as well. Has this woman consulted a naturopath or herbalist do you know? I would think that it would be probably best if she had a professional consultation so that any treatment can be tailored to her specific needs. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mary Doyle To: ACE Graphics Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 21:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Naturopathy for Hypertension. To All, Can anyone enlighten me about whether any naturopathic treatments can help with hypertension? My client, 35yrs, and a wonderful mother of 6 kids sadly had a fetal death in utero at term, for no obvious reason except for her hypertension, which has persisted. She would love to have more babies but not willing to have antihypertensive medication. and wondering about the alternatives. Any references would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mary Doyle, Bright
Re: [ozmidwifery] blocked milk duct.
Hi Sonia, I guess you've tried heat before and cold after feeding, massage, etc. Are you able to put the baby or toddler on with their chin pointing to the blocked area? Use firm pressure on the area at the same time as they are feeding and push towards the nipple. I have quite a lot of success in dissipating lumps by using one or two fingers to massage around and around - moving the skin and underlying tissue around over the lumpy area, but not actually rubbing the skin itself. Hope this makes sense to you. Others may have other sugggestions. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: *G and S* To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] blocked milk duct. Hello to all, Was wondering if anyone has ideas re. draining a blocked milk duct. I've been breastfeeding for three years and have, for the first time developed a blockage. It is about an inch long and an inch in width. It has been there for a few days and is sensitive to touch. I have put both my bub and toddler on for extended periods of time to help drain it, but the lump remains. Any ideas on what I can do or is this a GP thing? Would like to avoid a visit if possible. TIA, Sonia W. :-)
Re: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback
Hi Denise, At our small hospital (15 - 30 births a year), just recently it has become protocol that all women are to have the oxytocic for 3rd stage. This is a result of doctors' request. In the past, I think I was possibly the only midwife who spoke to them about whether or not they wanted it, others just said something like, ' here's a little injection to help the placenta come away'! Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; list Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 15:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback Dear Ozmid list, I need to know or get some feedback about the prevelance of physiological third stage in Australia. That is are women being offered the option of birthing their placentas with out an oxytocic injection in Australain hospitals and is it standard practice to give women informed choice about this in homebirths (as I understand it) Personal expereinces of situations and protocols would be appreciated Thank you Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth conference
Yes, I'll second that Jo. You took the words right out of my mouth! After the conference I spent a couple of days with a friend who is dying from cancer (at home) - I couldn't help but reflect on the similarities of birth and death at home. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 23:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth conference Just wanted to say what a great time was had by all on the w/e in Canberra at the 22nd National Homebirth Conference. A big thankyou to Justine Caines for organising it almost single handedly with 3 kids under 4 and the 4th half cooked! Thanks must also go to Margie Perkins for her help behind the scenes and Vicky Chan and Nic Edmonston for their beautiful images and words. Look forward to the conference in WA next year! Cheers Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] graves disease and breastfeeding
Hi Jan I've just checked Hale (2002). This medication is approved by the American Academy of Paediatrics for use in b/f mothers. In a study of 9 pts given 400 mg doses the infant dose correlated to 0.025% of the maternal dose. No problems have been reported, but infant should be monitored for thyroid function (T4 TSH) during therapy. Lactation risk is L2 which means "it has been studied in a limited number of women without an increase in adverse effects in the infant. And/or the evidence of a demonstrated risk which is likely to follow use of this medication in a breasfeeding woman is remote." Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 15:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] graves disease and breastfeeding I have a client who has graves disease. She is taking 3 50 mgs propylthiouracil 3 times a day. I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding the effects this medication may have on breastfeeding a 7 week old boy. The boy has no thyroid problems. Also, if this medication is increased will there be any effects on the breastfeeding. Thanks for any help you can give me.jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home...
What a thrill - congratulations to you all!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 17:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] first catch at home... Well I'm quite elated and a little bit tired, after being called out at 3am this morning, and then my Midwife colleague being called away for another birth (isn't that something that never happens...?), I caught my first baby as a RM, at home, and this baby decided to come into the world feet first. WOW!! Can't tell you how many things were going around in my head during the birth, but I think I remained calm on the exterior, or so I'm told! Result - 3.4kg baby girl, 2 3/4 hour established labour, SROM in water with some fresh thin mec, and then out came the feet, stood up, body, arms, and then after one little push, a gorgeous round 36cm head, all caught on video by a wonderful friend of the woman. And I was wonderfully supported by a midwife friend who came to act as a spare pair of hands/photographer, water carrier.what a joy and comfort it was to share it with her! Gotta sleep, but wanted to share, what an amazing experience for us all!! Tania
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Pregnancy & Infant Loss Rememberance Day
Forwarded from my daughter and her partner. Many of you will remember our "twin story". Reuben is now 16 months old, very mobile, very mischievous and very NORMAL, and how grateful we are for this. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sally Cocks & Russell Wheaton To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@netc.net.au Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 22:07 PM Subject: Pregnancy & Infant Loss Rememberance Day Dear Family & Friends, Just thought I'd let you know about the upcoming Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day. It is a world wide day in remembrance of babies that have died. The main idea is to light a candle at 7pm on the 15th October (that's this Wednesday evening) to remember our precious babies... By doing this we can honour the families that we know who have a special little person missing from their life (due to miscarriage, neonatal death, still birth etc..) and hence be a part of an amazing circle of light moving around the world for 24 hours. While we light a candle to honour our Matilda at this time, we invite you to do the same or spare a moment to reflect on the little lives that should have been. Thank-you. Love Sally & Russell
Re: [ozmidwifery] LC
Hi Jo, Yes, there is a bit more involved to become an IBCLC. From memory (I qualified in 1995) I think, as a nurse/midwife I had to have 2500 hours of one-on-one helping women to breastfeed - couldn't count my own breastfeeding experience or friends that I'd helped in an informal capacity. There was also a number of hours of formal education required (can't remember just how many). In my workplace (which is small), being an IBCLC doesn't seem to count for too much - the midwife manager had the overall say in our breastfeeding policies and procedures and also gave the staff education! Midwifery staff are told that they should be able to manage b/f problems and not to call me in (I work night duty) unless it is through the midwifery manager. I do the best I can when I am on duty and, hopefully, if I am there for some of the early breastfeeds can at least give women the right information and get them off to a good start. Frustrating at times!! All the best in your endeavours. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 14:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] LC > Dear List... > > I am , as most of you know, a new midwife in a public/private hospital, > struggling with the 'rules'. > > Lately there has been a fair bit of disagreement between midwifery support > of breastfeeding and doctor (paed RMO) need to have babies not lose more > than 10% birthweight (to the point of calculating 7.76% weight loss). > > I am beginning to think that if I held the title of "Lactation Consultant" > rather than Junior Midwife, then my views (facts) would come across with > more credibility. So, I am thinking of becoming an LC... > > Any comments? Tips? Advice? > > What is involved? > > Thanks, > Jo > > -- > Babies are Born... Pizzas are delivered. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:Pethidine and breastfeeding
Hi Kirsty (or was it Kristy?), Just a quick note after night duty! Yes, Pethidine can make babies sleepy for quite a long time. Apparently it CAN take 2 weeks or more for their livers to fully metabolise it and excrete it from their systems. In the meantime I would suggest lots of skin-to-skin contact with mum with her breast exposed to baby. (Maybe have a long relaxed bath with baby if that is possible?) She should certainly be hand expressing colostrum and giving it to baby via a teaspoon, cup or syringe - try to avoid bottle teats at this early age. Lots of reassurance that it WILL happen given time and patience. It is acceptable for healthy newborns to go up to 24 hours before they really suckle at the breast, although they should be given lots of opportunities in that time. Be watchful that no-one tries to force the little one at the breast because this can be a really unpleasant experience and make the baby dislike any attempts at b/f. I'm sure others will respond and give you more food for thought. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] breastfeeding mailing list
Do you mean Lactnet (based in USA)? Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Nursing focus, ANJ March 2003
Here is the response I received from the ANJ. (Scroll down to see my letter to the editor) Joy - Original Message - From: "ANJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joy Cocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2003 15:23 Subject: Re: Nursing focus, ANJ March 2003 > Dear Joy, > Thank you very much for taking the trouble to write. I appreciate your > comments and will publish your letter in the May ANJ (the April edition has > already gone to press). > > Yours sincerely, > > Steven Harulow > Editor > Australian Nursing Journal > Ph: (03) 9652 0506 > Fax: (03) 9652 0567 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > PRIVACY & CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This message and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the intended recipient. Any > unauthorised use of this material is prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > message and any attachments. > > Opinions expressed in this message are those of the sender and do not > necessarily represent the views of the Australian Nursing Federation > (Federal Office). The ANF does not accept any responsibility for the loss > or damage that may result from reliance on, or the use of, the information > contained in this message and any attachments. > > The Australian Nursing Federation (Federal Office) operates in accordance > with the provisions of the Privacy Act 1998. The ANF Federal Office is > committed to handling your personal information in a strictly confidential > manner and in accordance with the Privacy Act. > > > *** > VIRUSES > The Australian Nursing Federation (Federal Office) uses anti-virus software. > Prior to transmission this email was virus scanned and no computer viruses > were detected. However, we cannot guarantee that all communication is virus > free and recommend as a standard policy, all email communication is tested > before opening. The ANF accepts no liability for any consequential damage > arising from receipt of this email or attached files. > > **** > *** > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Joy Cocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 11:49 AM > Subject: Re: Nursing focus, ANJ March 2003 > > > > Dear Editor, > > I am horrified to read the article "Frequent feeding clue to disrupted > > infant sleep" published in ANJ March 2003. In whose opinion is failing to > > sleep through the night at 12 weeks of age a disease?? > > Feeding AT LEAST12 times in 24 hours is very normal for newborn infants - > it > > is the way in which they stimulate their mothers' hormones in order to > > establish lactation. Also, as their stomachs are very small (approx the > > size of their fist) and breastmilk is digested very quickly, most babies > > need to feed frequently. If babies are forced to "sleep through the > night" > > before they are ready, they are at serious risk of malnutrition and their > > risk of SIDs is increased as waking through the night has a protective > > effect by stimulating their breathing. > > The behavioural program that was used in the study sounds very similar to > > "sleep training", othewise known as controlled crying or controlled > > comforting. I have serious concerns about this practice as babies are > > taught that their cries will not bring them food or comfort, so eventually > > give up crying to have their needs met. In the future, will this type of > > "training" put our children more at risk of abuse because their past > > experience has taught them that protesting brings no results? > > I would like to see a more balanced view of infant sleeping patterns. > > Professor James McKenna has done some interesting work in the > > Mother-and-Baby Behavioral Sleep Laboratory at the University of Notre > > Dame - "Cultural Influences on Infant Sleep". > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC > > 98 Coronation Avenue > > BRIGHT Vic 3741 > > email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] URGENT Advice Required
Title: URGENT Advice Required Hi Justine, I had a similar type of rash in late pregnancy and following the birth of my youngest (who is now 27!) and, although I took antihistamines back then when we didn't know so much about the effects, I found a paste made of carb soda mixed with a little water was very soothing. All the best to your friend. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:56 Subject: [ozmidwifery] URGENT Advice Required Hello AllI have a friend who had a bub on Saturday and since she was in labour on Friday she has had a severe heat type looking rash (GP/Ob) says it’s pregnancy something or other and did not offer much in the way of remedy. It is very red and raised and itchy like hell, also the heat affects it (and we live in Nthrn NSW!) she has large patches over abdo/ top of legs etc.Antihistamines are out of the question with breastfeeding I believe, the babe is feeding beautifully so it would be great to help with the rash so Mum does not consider giving up BF. She is currently bathing in an oatmeal product and applying a soothing cream with oatmeal in it.Any super remedies??Thanks a bunchJustine
[ozmidwifery] Thrush handout/gentian violet
I can't seem to manage to copy and paste, so will rewrite this handout here. This is certainly not a definitive treatment and I usually suggest that women use the parts that they feel they can manage. Also, as someone else suggested, thrush can be very resistant and take much longer to get out of the system. (It is probably time I reviewed the handout anyway.) Re the gentian violet - this is still recommended by a number of breastfeeding experts. However, it can no longer be purchased in Aus to the best of my knowledge. The study showed that it was carcinogenic/toxic in rats in very large doses, much more than we would ever use. For further information check out (Dr) Jack Newman's web pages. He has heaps of good information. You should be able to find your way to his articles by going to http://users.erols.com/cindyrn/printnotenough.htm or do a search for Dr Jack Newman. Also Dr Lisa Amir of Richmond (Melbourne) is something of a "thrush expert". Treatment for Thrush (Yeast Infections) in the Breast. 1. Treat other thrush infections (vaginal, partner, baby's bottom, etc.) 2. Use oral Daktaren Gel on nipples and in baby's mouth 3-4 times a day. 3. Take acidophilus/bifidus supplement - 6 capsules spaced evenly throughout the day. Keep in the fridge. 4. Eat a lot of garlic or take garlic capsules, as it is anti-fungal and boosts the immune system. 5. Take zinc supplement as per directions on the bottle. 6. Reduce sugar to a minimum and use no artificial sweeteners. 7. Decrease intake of yeasts - bread, wine, Vegemite, Promite, biscuits, mushrooms. 8. No dried fruits, grapes, rockmelon or peanuts. 9. Good foods to eat include plain acidophilus yoghurt, pasta, rice, rice cakes, fresh fruit and vegies, yeast-free bread, crumpets. 10. Hygiene - dry upper body and breasts with separate handtowel or nappy; use soap for hands and nails after nappy change/nipple treatment; soak bras and breastpads separately, wash, then dry in sun; boil all feeding aids for 10 mins. If using sterilising solution, ensure that all items are rinsed with freshly boiled water prior to use. 11. Rinse nipples with 1 teaspon carb soda to 1 cup boiled water or 1 tablespoon white vinegar to 1 cup of boiled water 3-4 times a day. Pat dry and apply antifungal cream. Air the nipples as much as possible. 12. Continue treatment for at least 7 days after symptoms have gone. 13. If the infection is resistant to these treatments, you may need to see your doctor for oral medication. Kenacomb ointment may also be useful (script required) - no need to rinse off before feeds as very little absorbed through baby's gut. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout
It's 1 tablespoon white vinegar added to 1 cup of boiled water. The carb soda/vinegar rinses make the environment more alkaline/more acid to make it less susceptible to yeast. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judy Giesaitis To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 11:20 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout I am a little concerned re the vinegar tho, Should there be some dilution of the solution? Judy Giesaitis -Original Message-From: Aviva Sheb'a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 10:37 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout Thank you, Darren, and thank you, Joy. That's really useful info, easily followed. Aviva - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout To anybody who wanted this attachment in Word format please find it attachedto this email.Darren. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/03
[ozmidwifery] Update on Reuben
Many of you will remember my daughter's surviving twin, Reuben. He is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well, better than any of us could have possibly hoped for. He's 8/12 old today and had a routine paed checkup 10 days ago. He's chubby, never been sick - not even a cold, bright, active and starting to catch up developmentally. There is no sign of any residual problems from his prematurity - just some little scars from all of his i/v's, which he'll be able to show off proudly if they're still visible later on in life. He's fully breastfed, of course, and paed couldn't believe how well he's doing, doesn't want to see him till he's 18/12 and then B4 he goes to kinder. Even his umbilical hernia, which was measured at 5 cm has completely disappeared. He had 2 x inguinal hernias repaired (at the same time) just after he came out of hospital. He's cuddly and quite an "easy" baby. We are so, so grateful. Now for the goosebumpy stuff: a few months ago, when I was "visiting" Tilly at the cemetery I had the strongest feeling that she had died to save Reuben, so that he would have the strength of 2 babies. I related this to Sally, she went quiet and asked if she had told me what Tas (her 4 y/o) had said a few days B4 - she hadn't. He was in the bath and said, "mummy, can we talk about Tilly?", "yes, of course", "she died because of Reuben", "no, she didn't die because of Reuben, she died because she was very sick", "yes, I know that, but she died because of Reuben"! Sally said, "I wonder if that's what Tas meant." I'm sure it was, and recently when we were talking about it, Sally said that it really helped her to know this. Joy PS Tas was born "in the caul" which, as we all know, makes him extra special (according to folklore anyway). In any case, he does seem to be very intuitive, a quality to be nurtured. Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Thrush in the breast handout
Dear Trudie and Lois, I will attach the thrush handout, but not sure if attachments work with the list. It is just a list of ideas that I've put together from reading different articles, although now that I've actually TASTED Daktaren Gel, I think I would be loathe to use it - it's simply awful!!! Re the fires - yes, I'm still here as are my daughter, her partner and 2 boys. She and the boys went away for a few days, while I chose to "stay and defend". The fires were still a couple of hills away from me, but it was very scary when the police came knocking Tues 2 weeks ago, and said they had information that the fires would be coming over the hill behind me within 2 hours. Fortunately, it didn't happen. My ex-husband has been good with helping me out (plugging up downpipes, etc and giving me accurate information as he's been the controller with the CFA for much of the time). We are all so grateful to the fire fighters. Interestingly, the hospital has been really quiet, despite the hazardous levels of smoke. It is just awful, you can taste it, smell it and your head aches with it. I don't know what long-term effects it will have on people as they've been breathing it for many days now, and many of them without masks. I used to live in Omeo for 9 years so feel very much for people there too. For a while here, you felt like you needed full make-up etc to go down the street, as there were so many media people in the town! We're looking at having a staff function when it's over - suggestions have been for a karaoke night with songs such as smoke gets in your eyes, burn for you, burning ring of fire, etc or movies such as backdraft, towering inferno, some like it hot etc!!! All the best Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thrush in the Breast.wps Description: Binary data
Re: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in Babe's Mouth?
Dear Jo, It certainly sounds like thrush. I've just finished work (night duty), so not thinking too well just now! If you like, I could send you at attachment of the handout on thrush that I've put together, although it's mostly for breast/nipple thrush it may have some useful ideas for your neice and her mum. Cheers, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jo Slamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Midwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:11 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thrush in Babe's Mouth? > Seeking your help again... > > Have just farewelled my little 9-week-old niece and her parents after their > stay overnight here. I have never seen it before, but I suspect strongly > that the little one has thrush. She has a terribly sore and red/inflamed > bottom and during an upset phase I took her to the window to try and > distract/calm her and whilst she was crying I noticed she almost appeared > almost to be getting a tooth or two on her gums - although not quite in the > right place - I then noticed three or four other small white marks and dots > on the roof of her mouth and inside her cheeks - didn't see her tongue very > well so not sure if any spots there. I have never seen oral thrush before > but have presumed this is it?? > > There hasn't been any antibiotics for her or her mother and her mother > doesn't have any symptoms of thrush (and she does know them as has had > vaginal thrush before) although she mentioned a sore-ish throat on and off > of late. > > I proclaimed to her parents I suspected thrush in the little one and we > immediately dosed mother with probiotic powder and sent father out to get > acidophilus to take home with them. > > Does anyone know of any wonderful natural (or other, if it comes to it) > treatment for babe and mother, as we really don't want mother ending up with > thrush of the nipples and associated ongoing complications. > > They're hoping to see a GP tomorrow to confirm - I know they will want to > minimise their use of pharmaceuticals as much as they can - but they do need > to treat this - so seeking your help. > > Thank you. > > Jo Slamen > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...
Dear Tania, How beautiful.brings smiles to my face and warmth to my heart to know you and other midwives like you are out there. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:34 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night... > I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and > special birth last night. For those of you who don't know me (and that's > probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife > (May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in > partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year, > attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area. > > Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and > arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard > work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and > swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of > yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I > think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely > baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided > it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!). She shared this > wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited > quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an > eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its > way. > > I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new, > something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And > there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess > yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another > midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there > for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways). > > Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1 > year old that it's time to go back to bed! > > Thanks for listening, > > Tania > x > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
I have found out from my daughter that this was actually hearsay, but one would think that there was some basis to it. Perhaps someone on the list from ABA (Barb?) could further enlighten us? Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 8:33 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! > I GUESS WE ARE ALL APPALLED, BUT I WONDER WHAT WE HAVE DONE ABOUT IT SINCE > WE FIRST READ THE POST. II KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! (sorry about the > caps, wrong key) I suppose the best thing would be to write to Federal & > State Health Ministers and especially the Prime Minister on the unintended > consequences of the push to private health funds.It was supposed to > benefit the economy and then the patient. What a failure in the maternity > area. MM > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
Yesterday my daughter learned (through ABA) of someone who, at 6/40, booked into a private hospital. On the questionaire were "do you want an elective C/S?" and "if so, when would you like it?" !!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis & Antibiotics
Dear Jo, It sounds as if it is an inflammatory mastitis rather than infective at this stage, in which case I would suggest holding off the antibiotics. If you can keep the area of the breast well-drained, hopefully it will resolve without any infection. Antibiotics bring their own set of problems, often thrush in the breast, so if you do end up taking them, I would suggest taking acidophillus and bifidus as well. A wait and see attitude seems appropriate to me. All the best, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jo Slamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Midwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 18:21 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mastitis & Antibiotics > Hi All, > > Today I have had a hard breastfeeding day with breast lumpiness gone mad. > Baby, massage, pumping and heat would not shift a 10cm+ disc of hard terrain > on my left breast. So saw a GP this arvo and she sent me for ultrasound at > the physio which softened a little. I came home and fed the now famous Alec > (!!) and it has come away remarkably well. Hideously painful at the > beginning of the feed and all nice and soft and comfy now! Love that > ultrasound treatment... and of course, the delightful bub! > > Despite the large area of blockage, the redness had only just begun to > manifest over a small area when physio treated it, at 5pm this evening (I > first noticed lumpiness overnight). > > My question is I have a script for a/biotics, I would rather not take them > if not necessary and I thought I would trouble the list for your opinions > (unless medically inadvisable) as to whether they're necessary. I didn't > have a fever and apart from a very sore boob (which is no longer sore now > the little bloke has drained it) I haven't been feeling dreadful - just a > little weary. Just wondered whether I ought to take the drugs still? > > Jo > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Issues - Reference please!!
Hi Tina, I have my copy handy - what reference did you want? Whew...I'm tired just thinking about how you manage to do what you do! Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:52 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Issues - Reference please!! Hi fellow listersI'm hoping someone can help me out hereI'm chasing a reference from the last Birth Issues Journal...I wrote a piece on my refections as a B Middergave my copy to someone to read...now I 'm writing an essay and wish to reference what I wrotedoes anyone have a copy handy and can provide the reference deatils for me please...thanking you in anticipation...Cheers TinaXX
[ozmidwifery] Jan Robinson...(and update on Reuben)
Dear Jan, You are not just hot - you're on fire!! Congratulations on another georgous grandaughter to love and cherish. How precious to have the opportunity to support the other family through this special birth. Don't forget to have some time to yourself as well though - you need to be nourished too. Now to let everyone know how well our Reuben is doing. He's 4 months old today and really starting to grow (around 6 1/2 lbs). He has had bilateral inguinal hernia repairs, but no other apparent problems with lungs, heart, eyes, hearing, etc. Sally seems to have regained her confidence in herself after being quite "medical" for a period. She went through a stage of feeling that her milk supply was low, was comping Reuben with EBM and even went on to Domperidone for a few days (her partner bought a tin of formula "just in case"!! He was in tears one evening because he thought Reuben was being "starved"!). The pressure seemed to be to fatten him up as quickly as possible! He was also vomiting quite a lot and on those stinky vitamins. Reuben was sleeping in the lounge in his crib because all his little noises were keeping them awake. But now...he is hardly in his crib - is either in the sling or in bed with them. He's growing well and is much more settled, not having comps and vomiting has settled right down (Sally now says, 'I think we were overfeeding him with the comps as well' - surprise, surprise!!) The real change seemed to come when she was in Melb, staying in my other daughter's tiny unit with the 2 kids and Reuben was really unsettled, she had no EBM, so she just fed him all night for 2 nights and hey, presto, increased supply!! As some of you will know, Sally is an ABA counsellor, but it's amazing how one's confidence can be sapped when dealing with one's own children - I was trying to instil confidence but also had to be careful that I wasn't coming across as being critical. And this week Sally said that she thinks she will definitely have another homebirth next time - that really made my day as the obs. in Melb had told her (and she seemed quite accepting at the time) that next time she would be needing vaginal u/s's, close monitoring, etc. etc. I suppose the moral in this story is that we can only provide information, guide, and let our children come to their own decisions in their own time. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message When you look around at the general community, a lot of people have a little scar near the outer edge of their eyebrow - now I know some of these will be due to accidents in later life, but very often they're from forceps births. I've actually quite often confirmed this with people that I know either in a private or professional capacity. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Karen Arthur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 7:23 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Yeah, a friend of mine had a planned c/s this week and they used forceps which scratched the baby's forehead. They were told that no scarring would occur (being newborn skin) but I personally know a guy who's 30 with a big forceps scar on his temple! Caesareans. Gentle births? I don't think so. Karen
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife
You could try Liz Fuchsen (pronounced Foxsen - for obvious reasons!). Email me privately for her phone number. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Leisa Smith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Helen Sandner Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:48 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife Are there any Vic or NSW midwives able to attend a homebirth in Albury. Mother is 14weeks pregnant, with her third baby. Leisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Andrea Quanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: Helen Sandner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Sunday, 8 September 2002 11:03Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife Mary, I am in Echuca, one hour from bendigo but know Helen Sanderson is practicing in Bendigo. I don't know if she is on the list but I will cc this to herAndrea QuanchiOn Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 03:29 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: Is there a midwife practicing in homebirth in the Bendigo area? Is there a midwife /birth centre combination practice in Bendigo. If not, whats the other best option? thanks, Mary M
Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops
Hi Pinky, Could I have details of your workshop/talk in Albury please? Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:32 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Megan, So far, I am heading to talk in Albury on 26 sept. Am getting quite a few invites and referring some to my agent as lots of time organising required -travel is tricky among mothering/ working etc but I will consider if there is a group of interested mums and expenses covered. Pinky - Original Message - From: Larry & Megan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi Pinky, do you ever travel with your workshops. I'm in Adelaide and would love to take part in one. Megan. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patricia Mc kaySent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 2:33To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] workshops Hi After all the talk of public liabilityI now find myself being asked to provide public liability coverage for workshops !! I need to do this to use the venue - has brought home how accepted is seems to be for people not to accept personal responsibility for their choices/ actions. Will be putting the full outline on my website in a few days, but am holding a toddler wweekend workshop and a series of Gentle Beginnings as follows: Gentle Beginnings Discover gentle parenting options including how to calm and connect with your baby and enhance infant development naturally without pressure, as well as how to nurture yourself and your partner relationship. Gentle Beginnings, a series of six weekly workshops for parents or parents-to-be with Pinky McKay , author of Parenting By Heart and 100 Ways to Calm the Crying commences 10.30am Tuesday 15 October at Wyreena Community Arts Centre, Croydon. Cost $80 (incl GST). No extra charge for partners. Bookings [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone (03)98011997.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF Problem
Hi Eliza, No, I don't mind, but I am a bit wary of offering advice 2nd hand. I'm busy with houseguests at present but will give you just some thoughts that come to mind. Has she seen her M&CHN and sought her opinion? What is Mia's urine and stool (colour, consistency, amount) like? What is her weight doing? These are good indicators of whether she is getting enough. Could it be that her mother is getting/has got a period - this can make some babies "fussy". What you have suggested is good - feeding more frequently, expressing etc. I would suggest offering the breast even more frequently than 3/24, lots of skin-to-skin contact such as co-bathing and/or having a "babymoon" - mother and baby both go to bed for a day or two if that is possible. Maybe this baby is ready for solids a bit earlier than most?? There are herbs (fenugreek and blessed [I think] thistle) that can be used to increase milk supply if that is indeed the problem, but I would suggest trying the other options first. Metoclopramide and Domperidone can also be used - as a last resort in my opinion. There are other LCs on this list who also might like to respond. Eliza, if you email me privately I'll send you details of LCs in private practice in the Richmond area. If I think of anything more, I will respond again. Good luck in helping your friend to continue breastfeeding. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: henk / eliza merbis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 4:45 Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF Problem Dear Joy, Couldn't help but notice you are an LC. Would you mind giving me some free advice. I am a (new) midwife with a friend who is breastfeeding her 4 and a half month old daughter. All has been going really well until a week or so ago when Mia started to get fussy at the breast (my friend thinks she is hungry after a feed looking for more). I suggested she feed more regularly (three hourly instead of 4); hand/pump express 3-4 times a day(whichever she prefered); and give EBM post BF. Did I forget anything? I have since spoken to her and she said she hasn't been able to express enough and that Mia is still hungry. She really doesn't want to formula feed but I have run out of suggestions (being new to all of this)! Hope you can help. Eliza. P.S. I suggested she also ring the ABA but she said they weren't terribly helpful or knowledgeable. She lives in Richmond so maybe I should refer her to an LC??
[ozmidwifery] Reuben
Dear All, Just to let you know that Reuben came home yesterday - exactly 12 weeks after all the drama started. He is 11 weeks old and will be 39/40 adjusted age tomorrow. He weighs 4050 (I think), anyway 4lb 12oz in old terms. He has settled into home very well and is very cuddly - and there's lots of cuddles to catch up on! He's feeding well although Sally's supply isn't great at present so he's having some EBM comps. He has a little umbilical hernia, but basically has come through everything really well. Oh, did I mention that he's really cute?? Tas has adjusted remarkably well to all the changes and challenges in his life too. So, all in all, everything is great at present. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: Lecithin
Hi Leonie, About 18 months ago I researched recurrent unexplained mastitis/blocked ducts quite extensively for a client. Presuming the usual causes are ruled out (inefficient suckling by the infant, restricted feeding, any pressure on the breast causing restriction of milk flow, etc.) anecdotally lecithin can be useful, especially for a woman who has a high intake of saturated fats. Lecithin is an emulsifier and reduces the size of the fat globules in the breastmilk, thus making it less likely to cause a blockage. The dose is 1200 mgm 3 or 4 times a day "for a few days" then wean off. I hope this is of some help to you. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Leonie Scriven To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 21 August 1998 18:04 Subject: [ozmidwifery] re: Lecithin Dear All, I am asking on behalf of a patient who has heard that lecithin can help relieve blocked milk ducts. I've not heard of this and can find no information to support or deny this claim. Can anyone help? Masny thanks in advance, Leonie Scriven
[ozmidwifery] Good news!
Dear Everyone, To all those wonderful people who sent messages of love and support to our family - thank you so much, all those messages helped enormously. I did pass them all on to Sally and she sends her gratitude as well - she was quite overwhelmed at the level of support on this list. Thank you. Reuben was transferred to our regional hospital on Friday (70 k's away) and is looking FANTASTIC. He is now 37+2 gestation and will be 10 weeks old tomorrow. He is basically having all "suck" feeds - at the breast when Sally is there and EBM at other times, although he has needed the occasional gavage since his transfer as he's been a bit tired and had the occasional brady and desat. He does seem quite vulnerable to change and it takes him a little while to settle in. However, despite all that he's been through, he appears to be a very calm and cuddly little boy. He weighed in at a massive 2 kg! and has a nice little layer of fat. Now that he's off the HMF, he's lost that slightly "bullfroggy" look and his gain is more natural. Lovely to see him doing normal baby things - mouthing, looking for his fists to suck on, peeing and pooing everywhere, etc. Hopefully, we'll have him home in a couple of weeks and, as I've got 5 weeks leave starting tomorrow, I'll be able to catch up on cuddles. Of course, we think often of our Tilly and wonder what she would have looked like etc. - she will always be a part of our family. Tas, the 4 y/o, seems to have a very good grasp of everything that has gone on and has learnt so much over these 10 weeks. He is lovely and gentle with Reuben and often talks about Tilly as well. Thank you all again. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re:overdue
Congratulations Mary and daughter - well done!! I guess so many people put the pressure on when your daughter was overdue, suggesting CTG's etc. Isn't it the most special feeling catching your own grandchild? You will have a special bond with this baby as I do with my 4 y/o grandson who was born at home. Best wishes to all of you. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Tilly and Reuben
Hello all, Firstly, I want to thank all those listers who sent their love, prayers and thoughts for our babies and our family. It has helped more than you can imagine. I have printed up your responses for Sally to read at some time. What an amazing time these last few weeks have been. We had a simple but beautiful graveside service for Tilly on Tuesday 11/6. Tasman (4) had a small part to play which included releasing a helium balloon with a message printed on it for Tilly. The funeral really seemed to help him deal with Tilly's death, perhaps providing a sort of closure for him. After the funeral family and friends adjourned to my house for tea and sandwiches. As the last ones were preparing to leave, we had a phone call to say that Reuben was back in NICU with a suspected infection. He went downhill at exactly the time of Tilly's funeral. This, of course, was the most awful news for us. The next morning I had a "talk" with Tilly and asked her to give Reuben some of her strength. He responded to I/V antibiotics and was doing well again, over his birthweight and tolerating EBM via tube. His I/V was out, after being resited many times - those poor tiny veins! It was lovely to have the opportunity to change his nappy, give him some of his feeds and generally help with his care but, oh, how much I long to hold and comfort him! Unfortunately, late on last Friday evening he started deteriorating again - another suspected infection, so back on the I/V antibiotics. He seems to be stable at present and is still tolerating EBM. I know that, realistically, this is how it is going to be - 2 steps forward, and 1 step backwards, but it is still really hard. I came back from Melb last Monday and have been back at work this last week, but planning to go back to Melb later this week. So please keep Reuben in your thoughts and prayers as well as Sally, Russell and Tasman. Sally became upset today when she saw twins being discharged from hospital and these moments will happen and will have to be dealt with. (I got upset a couple of days ago too, when I saw twins in a pram.) Reuben is now opening his eyes and Sally says that he looks frightened. It's awful to think that this little baby knows little else but bright lights and pain. We are fortunate that Sally has a 2 b/r flat (provided by the hospital) directly across the road from the RWH so we can all come and go as necessary and be close to Reuben. Thanks again for your love and support. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Update on our babies (long)
Hi everyone,
What a week, so much has happened so quickly! I'll try to tell you as
briefly as I can - here goes.
Sally admitted to tertiary hospital on Wed 29/5 with ruptured membranes on
1st twin, on oral antibiotics, submitted to daily CTG's (but never could get
a "good" trace), told that she would need a C/S because both babies were
breech ("and it will probably be a classical C/S and you will never have
another baby naturally" [by a doctor]). Very upset, of course. However,
even with the "best" in the ultrasound department, no-one seemed able to
agree on the position of the babies. The plan was for bed rest in hospital
to try to keep these babies inside for as long as possible, provided there
was no infection. All going along OK, her partner came back to Bright (3
1/2 hr drive) on Sun 2/6, I was going to come back with her little 4 y/o
boy, Tasman, on Mon 3/6. However, a phone call to me at 5.30 am Mon from
L/W - "Sally is having a few niggles, and would like you here, no need to
rush". I got there at 6.30 am - "quick in there, she's delivered!" I went
in to find that she had a little girl (twin1) and a little boy, the 3rd
stage was being delivered. Masses of people in there - the 3rd set of twins
for the night! Matilda had come out as a head/shoulder presentation and
Reuben was vertex. Matilda a little stronger than Reuben, but of course
lines, monitors and tubes everywhere. Both up to NICU after seeing Sally
briefly. I stayed with Sally, who was in total shock with it all. She
didn't even feel like she had given birth (and had only just started to
enjoy that real blossoming feeling of pregnancy) and of course had laboured
and birthed with none of her own support people present. She was up in
stirrups, and they were still trying to put on the CTG and talking C/S when
the midwife said "she's pushing". The doc even was trying to put on a scalp
electrode at this stage and ended up cutting Matilda's (Tilly) neck with it.
However, no C/S and no stitches, so Sally's recovery has been excellent. I
helped her with her shower and then we went up to NICU to see the babies
(her partner was still on his way). Both stable, Tilly a little stronger
than Reuben, actually mostly breathing on her own, both on "routine" drugs,
treatments, etc. They weighed 880g each. Tilly was bruised around her
shoulder and Reuben's head was bruised. Tilly had a lumbar puncture that
evening and she was diagnosed with meningitis, however, the staff were
pretty confident that she was going OK. Those poor little mites were on
more drugs than Sally has had in her entire life!!
Then, on Tuesday Tilly was looking as if she was having a little bit of
seizure activity, CT etc, late Tuesday revealed she was haemorrhaging into
both sides of her brain, she had also developed scepticaemia and looked like
she was bleeding into her abdominal cavity. Wed 5/6 - I had seen them early
in the morning before doctors' rounds and she was constantly fitting despite
Morphine and Phenobarb, etc. I was with Sally when she was called to NICU
and this information was given to her and her partner when he rushed over
from across the road. They made, what to me, was the only choice and that
was to cease treatment and turn everything off. The staff were fantastic,
giving us all time, privacy and space. My other daughter was there, Sally's
partner's (Russell) sister and brother-in-law were there. Sally and Russell
spent a long time just touching and looking at Tilly until they were ready,
while we made sure that someone was with Reuben and touching him as well.
We held hands and surrounded them while Sally washed and dressed Tilly.
They then carried her into a private sitting room and held her as she died
which was almost immediately. Sally had asked me to be with Reuben as they
turned Tilly's machines off and as she died. He gave a little cry and
stopped breathing momentarily at that time, then settled. I saw Tilly's L/W
summary which described the whole labour as being a total of 31 mins!
(however, Sally had actually been having niggles all night but tried to
convince herself that it wasn't labour and hadn't told anyone). When Sally
and Russell were ready, we went in to hold and kiss Tilly and I brought
Tasman in to cuddle his sister. "She won't grow up big will she, but my
brother will!"
Reuben is doing well, having periods off his CPAP, having 1 mil of EBM 4/24,
but we still have a long road in front of us.
It has just been SO awful, but some positives as well. It is so awful to
see your child go through the pain of losing her own child, which (of
course) is also your grandchild.
Thanks to everyone who has sent their thoughts, love and prayers, all of
that has helped enormously.
Joy
Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC
BRIGHT Vic 3741
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Re:our babies
Thank you so much for your love and support. I feel like we're all getting a lovely big hug from around the country and am in tears as I read your lovely messages. Sally arrived safely in Melb and no labour as yet...good news. I'll be travelling down tomorrow with her little boy Tas so will be off list for a few days. Thank you so very much. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Our babies
Hello all, Just a quick message. Please.your thoughts and prayers with my Sally who has been transferred to the RWH in Melbourne today with ruptured membranes, no contractions at this stage. 27/40 twins, so we really want to grow these babies a bit bigger if we can. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: Re Twins
Dear Liz, Thank you so much for that good story. Well done!! My daughter is now 26/40, well and confident. I will keep the list posted. Regards, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Liz Ekins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2002 16:05 Subject: Re Twins > Greetings, Joy > 2days ago I visited homebirth twins I attended at the end of December and > they're thriving! Mum was firmly of the opinion that she > wanted them born at home, the one scan she had showed separate placentas. > One baby was breech at 35 weeks. Labour started > & progressed quickly at 36 weeks, 2nd midwife unavailable but competent > support couple were present. First little chap(2440g) > came head first, pink, took in the scene then straight to the breast. 25 mins later > his sister(2090g) arrived, complete breech, very > pale, good heart rate, not ready to take a breath. I "bagged" her for perhaps 2 > mins (how reassuring it was to see her chest rise > with each puff) and she was soon pink but needed time to recover. However, > from the expression in her eyes she was very much > with us. After 2 hours she still was not interested in mum's breast so she > commenced 2hrly colostrum feeds by eye dropper. 8 hrs > after birth she took mum's breast in her mouth but no suck so they continued > 2hrly eyedropper feeds. 14 &1/2hrs after her birth she > decided she really did want titty and sucked vigorously mostly on but sometimes > off for the next 6 hours! She really hasn't looked > back since. > Thoughts..I would have preferred the 2nd midwife to be present (my first > time twins at home) but trusted the mother when I > expressed my small self-doubt. She felt confident in her body and babies and > her support people and reiterated that she really did > want to birth in the familiarity and privacy of her own home. > Driving to the home and during the births I kept coming back to all those superb > midwives and educators who have paved the way > and stressed the importance of maintaining and practicing midwifery skills. I also > thought of all the wee mites who were born and > survived beautifully at home. > Imagine the scenario in hospital. Possible C-section for the 2nd twin, certainly > S.C.U., with heel pricks and gavage feeds ?? > Separation from mum,etc. > I hope your daughter and babies have an optimal birthing - best wishes! > Liz > > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Update on twins
Just an update for you all. My daughter saw another ob in another town a couple of weeks ago and is much more comfortable with him. Whilst he said that he would prefer this or that, he emphasised the fact that everything is her choice. So, in these circumstances, she is much more likely to reach some compromises (such as an IVC with a bung), rather than being told what to do. She and her partner both feel happy with him. So, thanks everyone for your input and encouragement. I will let you know what happens - she is now almost 24/40, so time is moving right along! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re:twins
Thank you to all those who wrote in with good stories of twin births of the 'it can be done' type. I have passed all of these on to my daughter. We're still 'listening' if anyone has something else to add. Thanks, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Information on twin births
Hi everyone, It is some time since I have written to ozmid, but I now have a question for you all. Some of you may remember that I wrote of the homebirth of my grandson, here in Bright in the north-east of Vic. Now his mum, my daughter, is 18/40 with twins - exciting news, of course! She is well, and has no risk factors, other than it being a twin pregnancy - a complex factor, rather than a complicating factor as Lynne Staff pointed out at "Celebrating Midwifery". As Bright is a VERY small hospital without specialists, the plan is for the babies to be born at either Wangaratta or Wodonga. S had her first obstetric visit yesterday and the ob said that his main concern was the health of the babies, he would be putting in an epidural at the start of labour in case he needed to put his hand in "up to there (indicating his upper arm) to turn the second baby, and you wouldn't want that without an epidural." Furthermore he said that he would induce her at 38/40 if the babies hadn't been born by then. I'm stunned (but I guess not surprised) that he seems to be giving her no choice at all. (I wasn't with her at this visit.) Her referral letter from her GP stated that she previously had a homebirth and didn't want intervention - maybe he's trying to assert his power because of this. There are several obstetricians and S plans to see one in the other town also, to see what his thoughts are, but as she doesn't have private health cover, she will get whoever is on call at the time anyway! We're looking for stories/information/research of non/minimal intervention twin births and hints to achieving a twin birth/s without unnecessary intervention. As her support crew, S will have her partner (this is all new to him) her previous MIPP, myself and my other daughter who has just started BMid. I thought I could try ringing the maternity units and talk to the midwives informally (midwife to midwife) about the policies and procedures of the units and of the different obs. Sorry this is so long, but any information would be appreciated. Yours in birthing, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re:breastfeeding advice
Hi Kathy, Sounds like you are doing a great job with what you have already suggested. I can only go along with Kirsten's suggestion re posting to Lactnet - there's something like 2800 people on that list from right around the world, including LCs, Paeds, b/f counsellors, etc, all-in-all providing a wealth of knowledge and experience. All the best. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: Penguin Book of Etiquette
Hi Jackie, In over 30 years of being a midwife, I have never seen anyone slap a baby on the bottom. (All my experience is in Australia.) When people ask about it, which they do, I've explained the above to them and acknowledged it either as a long ago practice or a myth. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jackie Mawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ozmidwifery List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, 31 December 2001 12:11 Subject: Penguin Book of Etiquette >Hi all, >I received this query today and was about to respond - "Absolutely not!" but >thought I would check with you guys first. Please tell me my first response >was right. >My partner raised the question of "Which country are we talking about" which >also seems valid... >BB Jackie Mawson. >== >Dear Jackie, > >I am scrutinizing first proofs of the above book, which is due for >publication in April, and I have a very simple question which I am sure you >can answer. Do doctors and midwives still slap babies on the bottom when >they are born to get them breathing? I have assumed so, in writing the >chapter on the rituals surrounding the birth of a child, but it occurs to me >that this old-fashioned practice might be obsolete. I'd very much appreciate >hearing from you . > >Many thanks and best wishes, Marion von Adlerstein > >=== > >Birthing Beautifully, >Jackie Mawson. > >Convenor of Birthrites: Healing After Caesarean Inc. >Visit our Website at: http://www.birthrites.org >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Phone: 61 08 9418 8949 > >Please note I am not a Professional Healthcare Provider, and all opinions >given in this email are not to be taken as medical, or legal, advice. Please >seek such advice from the relevant professional service. > >Email me your postal details for a FREE copy of our quarterly magazine, if >you live within Australia - Overseas postage costs are above budget, sorry! > >Too many Gods; >so many creeds, >Too many paths > that wind and > wind, >When just the art > of being kind > Is all the sad > world needs... >-- > > >-- >This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: B of Mid
Hi Tina, Thank you. I called my Carolyn this morning to give her the good news and she is 'over the moon' (as well as being o/s!). I have forwarded your email to her as well. This means resigning from her present job (as a patternmaker in the fashion industry) and finding somewhere cheaper to live, as well as going back to fulltime study of course, so big changes for Caz!! Have you heard yet whether the Nursing Council has approved the course?? Congratulations and all good wishes to you too. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 21 December 2001 19:12 Subject: Re: B of Mid >In a message dated 21/12/01 5:13:56 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Just wanted to share that my daughter has been offered a place to do B of > Mid in the second round of offers (Victoria University), except that she > doesn't know yet as she's in London!! > Joy >> > > >Hello Joy. >I would like to extend my sincerest congratulations to your daughter on being >offered a place at VU to do the B Mid. I look forward to meeting up with her. >I rejected my offer from ACU and have accepted an offer to study at Victoria >University also !! > >Yours in birth, > >Tina Pettigrew >Birthworks >Independent CBE and aspiring B.Mid Midwife. >Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective. >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >" As we trust the flowers to open to new life > - So we can trust birth" >Harriette Hartigan. >--- >-- >This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
B of Mid
Just wanted to share that my daughter has been offered a place to do B of Mid in the second round of offers (Victoria University), except that she doesn't know yet as she's in London!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: "natural" induction
Hi All, Thank you for your prompt responses, offering thoughts as well as practical suggestions for the woman about whom I wrote. I passed on these ideas to her and she was most interested. As yet I haven't heard anything back from her. She seemed very interested in taking some time for herself +/- partner and concentrating on some of the suggestions. Thanks again to this list which is such a wonderful source of information and support - and the response is so quick! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
