[ozmidwifery] hello?
is the list down or is everyone too busy xmas shopping? Merry Xmas to you all if there is anyone out there! Di
Re: [ozmidwifery] hello?
must be the later because I got your email Andrea Q On 19/12/2005, at 9:05 PM, diane wrote: is the list down or is everyone too busy xmas shopping? Merry Xmas to you all if there is anyone out there! Di
[ozmidwifery] Hello....I'm back!
Hello listers.just reintroducing myself to the list. I have been absent from the list for awhile now.but very happy to be back in touch with you all...It was great to see many of you at ICM in Brisbane this year! I am very much enjoying my passion of working 'with woman'.midwifery is all I dreamed it would be and moreoften challenging me to the very core of my being as I continue to reconcile thedaily challenges of facilitating woman centred care within the 'system'. Looking forward to talking with you all. Yours in reforming midwifery, Tina Pettigrew Midwife (BMid, ACU Melbourne)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello....I'm back!
Good to see you back, I caught sight of you a few times in the distance in Brisbane but never seemed to find the time or space to actually say Hi. I had a great time though, Maybe see you at a study day soon Andrea Q On 21/09/2005, at 10:21 PM, Tina Pettigrew wrote: Hello listers.just reintroducing myself to the list. I have been absent from the list for awhile now.but very happy to be back in touch with you all...It was great to see many of you at ICM in Brisbane this year! I am very much enjoying my passion of working 'with woman'.midwifery is all I dreamed it would be and moreoften challenging me to the very core of my being as I continue to reconcile the daily challenges of facilitating woman centred care within the 'system'. Looking forward to talking with you all. Yours in reforming midwifery, Tina Pettigrew Midwife (BMid, ACU Melbourne)
[ozmidwifery] Hello and 3rd degree tears
Hello, I'm a newcomer - so a quick intro: I am a Uk direct entry midwife living and working on the Sunshine Coast Queensland. Struggling to adapt to Australian mainstream midwifery. Also tired from night-shift, so I apologise for mistakes in this mail. Regarding the 3rd degree tear stats. I would be interested to know where this research is from. As far a I know no-one has researched physiological birth and it's impact on the perineum - probably because so few women experience it. I wonder what the perineal outcomes would be for women birthing without intervention - spontaneous pushing (no direction), various positions, hands off the baby including no traction to 'deliver' shoulders? The stats quoted by the nurse may be correct (I don't know) - but all they demonstrate is the outcome of modern 'management' of birth on perineums. Rather like the term-breech trial demonstrating that in large obstetric units it may be safer to have a c-section due to lack of skill. Not, that breech birth attended by an experienced practitioner is unsafe. Rachel _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hello from a HypnoBirthing practioner
Hi all I have been reading all the interesting postings and find them most informative. I am a HypnoBirthing practioner in Melbourne, Next week on the 27th of May I am flying to the Nederlands and would like to spend sometime with a midwife . I will be in Holland for 5 weeks. I have been in contact with Beatrijs Smulders who give me a couple of e-mail contactsbut with computer breakdowns I have not been successful in arranging anything. I see this trip overseas as a fantastic opportunity to broaden my knowledge in the birthing area. If anyone reading this could beof any assist in regards with contacts in Holland please contact me ASAP. Thanks very much for taking the time to read this. Hope to hear from someone soon. Happy Birthing Marietje Stcukey
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello from a HypnoBirthing practioner
You might like to contact Christina Oudshoorne Marietje. She may be able to help you. Her email address is here in the cc box. Have a wonderful trip. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 18 May, 2005, at 17:57, Marietje Stuckey wrote: Hi all I have been reading all the interesting postings and find them most informative. I am a HypnoBirthing practioner in Melbourne, Next week on the 27th of May I am flying to the Nederlands and would like to spend some time with a midwife . I will be in Holland for 5 weeks. I have been in contact with Beatrijs Smulders who give me a couple of e-mail contacts but with computer breakdowns I have not been successful in arranging anything. I see this trip overseas as a fantastic opportunity to broaden my knowledge in the birthing area. If anyone reading this could be of any assist in regards with contacts in Holland please contact me ASAP. Thanks very much for taking the time to read this. Hope to hear from someone soon. Happy Birthing Marietje Stcukey
RE: [ozmidwifery] Hello from a HypnoBirthing practioner
Title: Bericht Hello Marietje, I am a flemisch homebirth midwife and I live close to the border of the Netherlands. I would be delighted to have you spend some time with us. I am very interested to hear some more about hypnobirthing. You can contact me on l[EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Marietje StuckeyVerzonden: woensdag 18 mei 2005 9:57Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Hello from a HypnoBirthing practioner Hi all I have been reading all the interesting postings and find them most informative. I am a HypnoBirthing practioner in Melbourne, Next week on the 27th of May I am flying to the Nederlands and would like to spend sometime with a midwife . I will be in Holland for 5 weeks. I have been in contact with Beatrijs Smulders who give me a couple of e-mail contactsbut with computer breakdowns I have not been successful in arranging anything. I see this trip overseas as a fantastic opportunity to broaden my knowledge in the birthing area. If anyone reading this could beof any assist in regards with contacts in Holland please contact me ASAP. Thanks very much for taking the time to read this. Hope to hear from someone soon. Happy Birthing Marietje Stcukey --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005
[ozmidwifery] Hello from Ireland
Hello everyone, I've been lurking here for a bit so just wanted to say a quick hello. I love reading the posts on the oz list - you are a brazen bunch and it's great !! (Have to say I'm also a big fan of the UK egroup too) I wish some of your brazeness would rub off on the Irish egroup..there was a rumour last week that all homebirth schemes in Ireland were to be withdrawn and do you think even ONE midwife thought this was worth discussing ? Nope ! I'd imagine that there would be about 2 million posts here if there was even rumor of that in Australia..any posts that are in any way controversial are met with silence. Funny thing is - on the same day somebody posted a question about a big debate going on about the definition of parityand about 10 midwives responded... Anyway - back to lurkdomjust wanted to say keep up the great work. (oh and if anyone is interested in joining the Irish group to spice things up a bit feel free ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I could do with some company ! Tracy http://www.DoulaIreland.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hello???
Has this list been quiet or is my email not working?? THis was the last message I got on the 27th, just not used to the list being so quiet... Katrina On 27/01/2005, at 5:13 PM, Marilyn Kleidon wrote: Thank you so much Jo I think it is brilliant. marilyn x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerDean Jo/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:54 PM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] baby knows breats photo/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerThis seems to be generating a great deal of interest and so I hope it is living up to peoples expectations! Actually, it is a cunning plan for you all to hand over your private email addresses.haw haw ha ha!! ( that was meant to be a sinister laugh that didnt quite work!)/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFor those of you still interested, the pic is of a bub under 12months that is next to a statue of a bust of a woman. The second pic is bub sucking on the bust of the bust!/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCheers/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerJo/x-tad-bigger -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 12/26/2004
[ozmidwifery] Hello, an introduction
Hi everyone, My name is Carol Van Lochem. I have just come back onboard after a year or two of absence from this group. I have been a midwife for 13 years and am currently working at West Gippsland Hospital in Warragul, Vic. We are a very busy unit (in rural terms) with alot of support from one of our obs. We all work as a cohesive team,and it's great working here. I am also married with 2 homeborn children, aged 7 9 years. We have a labradoodle, as well as an assortment of chooks, ducks, fish, guinea pigs and mice. Life is full!!! _ Get a Credit Card - 60 sec online response: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;8097459;9106288;b?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/qantas5000ninemsn [AU only] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hello and help
Hello all, this is my first email to the list, joined recently and have really enjoyed scanning all the info and corespondance. I am presently insecond year of my BM in S.A. and loving it, although as a mature age student the balance of family and study can be at times daunting! So that's hello, now to thehelp bit! My current assignment, 'What is the nature and context of research in midwifery' asks that we explore other avenues of gaining information, ie, midwives, women and multidisciplinary colleagues. So I was wondering if anyone would like to comment on this question and/or 'contemporary midwifery'. Would love to hear some feedback and would really appreciate the input. Cheers, Tracey P.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
Welcome Melinda! ... and Melissah! Glad to read NP Melbourne is thriving like we knew it would. :-) Jodie Miller On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:53 pm, Melissah Scott @ Spilt Art wrote: Hi Melinda! Good to see you here. :) Melissah www.Splitart.com - Original Message - From: Melinda Whyman To: OzMidwifery List Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Hi everyone I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden (15mths) who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm kind of new to this list in that I've been a member on and off over the yearsevery now and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked as Naturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy, Birth and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend some glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that I've been well and truly bitten by the birth bug - I will never tire of the sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into this world of ours :) Whilst I am not technically working at the moment - I am being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a new non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the experience of following and supporting the continuum that follows the huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming on both a personal and professional level to meet families who are securely committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their children. IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents. Looking forward to listening and learning from you all. Melinda Whyman NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
Thanks for the warm welcome Jodie! We're glad to be doing so well too :) Melinda Whyman NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Welcome Melinda! ... and Melissah! Glad to read NP Melbourne is thriving like we knew it would. :-) Jodie Miller On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:53 pm, Melissah Scott @ Spilt Art wrote: Hi Melinda! Good to see you here. :) Melissah www.Splitart.com - Original Message - From: Melinda Whyman To: OzMidwifery List Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Hi everyone I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden (15mths) who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm kind of new to this list in that I've been a member on and off over the yearsevery now and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked as Naturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy, Birth and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend some glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that I've been well and truly bitten by the birth bug - I will never tire of the sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into this world of ours :) Whilst I am not technically working at the moment - I am being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a new non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the experience of following and supporting the continuum that follows the huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming on both a personal and professional level to meet families who are securely committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their children. IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents. Looking forward to listening and learning from you all. Melinda Whyman NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
melinda please mail me re arrangments i lost your no jan - Original Message - From: Melinda Whyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Thanks for the warm welcome Jodie! We're glad to be doing so well too :) Melinda Whyman NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Welcome Melinda! ... and Melissah! Glad to read NP Melbourne is thriving like we knew it would. :-) Jodie Miller On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:53 pm, Melissah Scott @ Spilt Art wrote: Hi Melinda! Good to see you here. :) Melissah www.Splitart.com - Original Message - From: Melinda Whyman To: OzMidwifery List Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Hi everyone I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden (15mths) who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm kind of new to this list in that I've been a member on and off over the yearsevery now and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked as Naturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy, Birth and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend some glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that I've been well and truly bitten by the birth bug - I will never tire of the sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into this world of ours :) Whilst I am not technically working at the moment - I am being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a new non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the experience of following and supporting the continuum that follows the huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming on both a personal and professional level to meet families who are securely committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their children. IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents. Looking forward to listening and learning from you all. Melinda Whyman NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
Hi everyone I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden (15mths) who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm "kind of" new to this list in that I've been a member on and off over the yearsevery now and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked asNaturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy, Birth and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend some glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that I've been well and truly bitten by the "birth bug" - I will never tire of the sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into this world of ours :) Whilst I am not "technically" working at the moment - I am being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a new non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the experience of following and supporting the "continuum" that follows the huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming on both a personal and professional level to meet families who are securely committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their children. IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents. Looking forward to listening and learning from you all. Melinda WhymanNATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNEwww.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~Phone: +61 3 9756 0464
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new
Hi Melinda! Good to see you here. :) Melissah www.Splitart.com - Original Message - From: Melinda Whyman To: OzMidwifery List Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello I'm new Hi everyone I'm Melinda - mother to 2 gorgeous little guys Finn (4) and Eden (15mths) who were both born at home and bring me daily joy :) I'm "kind of" new to this list in that I've been a member on and off over the yearsevery now and then I jump off some lists when my enormous email list starts to overwhelm me. I'm currently a fulltime mum, but have previously worked asNaturopath/Homoeopath - specialising in Natural Fertility, Pregnancy, Birth and Postnatal care. During that time I was very privileged to attend some glorious births (both home and hospital) and can honestly say that I've been well and truly bitten by the "birth bug" - I will never tire of the sight of a woman in the throes of labour and the seemingly magical appearance of those wet, warm little heads as they make their way into this world of ours :) Whilst I am not "technically" working at the moment - I am being kept very busy with being one of the founding co-ordinators of a new non-profit organisation called Natural Parenting Melbourne. Being more parenting related than my previous work, I am greatly enjoying the experience of following and supporting the "continuum" that follows the huge transition into parenthood called birth. It has been so affirming on both a personal and professional level to meet families who are securely committed to nurturing strong attachment and bonding with their children. IMO - the world can never have enough conscious, loving parents. Looking forward to listening and learning from you all. Melinda WhymanNATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNEwww.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~Phone: +61 3 9756 0464
[ozmidwifery] hello there
Hi everyone, I'm back on the list after signing off for almost a year while I threw myself into my graduate mid program, which is now over. Sogood be back on the list and am enjoying reading all the interesting ideas and insights. I'm also thinking of moving interstate to NSW (am in SA), with my family and a friend who has been living in the north ofNSW, near the border ranges, and who is doing a good job of convincing me to move back with her. I am wondering if anyone can tell me what sort of midwifery employment there is up that way, which places are better than others, etc. If there are any independentmidwives in that area who would be willing to take on a apprentice, I would be extremely interested also. You can email me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. thanks to you all, Liz Newnham.
[ozmidwifery] Hello again
Dear List, It is with pleasure that I have rejoined the ozmidwifery list from my new position at the ACMI. Some of you may know of me from my former life as national president of the Maternity Coalition or as someone involved with the National Maternity Action Plan. I finished that job with mixed feelings of relief and regret in early July and started at the College a few weeks later. I am very excited about working for the ACMI for the next 3 years. It's an exciting time for midwives at present, with new opportunities and momentum to address the challenges facing the midwifery profession and to give both midwives and women greater choice about how they work/are cared for. I will post to the list any media releases the College issues, as well as general information that may be of interest. Please contact me off list by email or phone if there is anything about the ACMI, its activities or policies that you want to discuss. It's nice to be back on the list regards Barb. Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives Inc Level 1, 97 Northbourne Ave TURNER ACT 2612 Ph: 02 6230 7333 Fax: 02 6230 6033 www.acmi.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here...
Thankyou for your words Cheryl - Original Message - From: CHERYL JONES To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Lynne I wish to complement you in how wellyou have written your "Hello" to Ricardo, I found it refreshing and honest, giving some (midwives)of usstillhope and insiration. Many thanks and take care Cheryl --- Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello to you Ricardo I have taken the liberty of forwarding your posting on to a coleague of mine and will ask that he table it at the next meeting of RANZCOG (Royal Australia and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists). You are right - the humanisation of birthIS a global issue, and it is essential that where change is happening, and where efforts arebeing made to honour and respect women in birth (or women as people) that as many people know about it as possible. Sometimes when my heart is heavy about the things we are witness to every day in birth, I think about the situation in other countries where the plight is much worse for women generally in their lives, birth being such an important part, and thishelps to putthings into perspective. There is so much to be done - the technocratic wheel is in full spin and spinning furiously, and it will take a mammoth effort on many people's part to slow the spin, even just a little. But the speed of the wheel slows in many places, as people such as yourself and many others, work to keep birth as it should be, alive and well, insistingthatwomen should be treated, as you so beautifully express, 'with caress and gentleness'. As a dear friend and colleague of mine says "Itmatters how babies come into this world" and in my midwifery experience (I am old, like yourself! Even older!!) of almost 20 years, every birth I accompany a woman on shows me afresh how much it does matter, and how respectful ofbirth we must be - not only for women, but for ourselves as those who are the privileged ones to be with women at this time (because each birth contibutes to, and helps shape ourindividual philosophyof birth, and thus, how we are when we are with all of the subsequent women we care for), but also forthe future of humankind. The "kind" on the end of human seems ironic at times, does it not? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here...
I tried to find your response on Andrea's website Karen and couldn't, please direct me. marilyn - Original Message - From: Karen Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Marilyn I agree with you 100%. I've posted a response to Andrea's article on her website for anyone interested in this subject. Kind regards Karen Arthur -Original Message- From: Marilyn Kleidon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 6:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hi Andrea: I am going to bight on your controversy re doulas. I totally understand your apprehension to yet another American phenonmenon and your inference that it is just another way to make money. Though I have just returned from the USA after almost a quarter century, I am hardly an advocate for the prevaling free market capitalist culture that is so valued there. I really hope it isn't further exported here (as it already has been in the privatisation of so many public utilities, but that is another and not midwifery debate). From what I have seen it is market based economics (a USA import I think) is driving the health care system here. That is why is many hospital systems, unless it is a slow shift most women in a birthing suite wont get one to one midwifery care. Not enough midwives are being employed to give quality care to women. Enter the family and friends. Even if friends and family are available to give support, and even if, as you assert (from the Klaus and Klaus articles) there is no difference in outcomes between trained and untrained support people not everyone has good familial relationships so not everyone will use their family or friends for support. Also, because it has been several generations that women have been birthing in hospitals, many mothers do not want to accompany their daughters in birth, they don't want to relive their birth experiences and are more than happy to show up once the baby is delivered. Similarly with family and friend support for breastfeeding. I continue to be amazed at women my own age who tell me adamantly that the hospitals encouraged formula feeding 25 to 30 years ago and that is why they didn't breastfeed. It wasn't my experience but neverthless they feel helpless when it comes to supporting their daughters with breastfeeding. Doulas are not pretending to be midwives or lactation consultants they just represent the informed supporter, and sometimes they are paid. I don't think any doula would place herself in the birthing room at the expense of a family member and I haven't been in a birthing room in either the USA or Australia where family members were not welcomed. Doulas can also help with discouraging (gently) the exaggerated breathing techniques that some of us used 20 or 30 years ago that well meaning aunties or mums may inflict on the labouring mum. If the mom does have a c/s the doula is never in the OR in place of a relative unless of course the mom/partner requested it. Doula services do provide support to women who are removed from their families for whatever reason. They provide supplementary support to partners and they provide the woman with a knowledgable woman to just talk to. Some women have had traumatic birth experiences, feel their partners or family just did not have enough knowledge to explain to them what was happening and hire a doula to fill this gap. Some hire doulas to be advocates for them: this can be controversial. Obviously this is a gap in either midwifery or obstetric care, the cold fact is it exists here as well as there. Most women are not personal friends with either midwives or childbirth educators and so do not have these people to call on. I personally do not know of any wealthy doulas. I do know people who earn a modest living supporting women in birth. The schools that offer doula training offer them, surprisingly, much cheaper that the trainings are here, and they are much briefer. Experience as a doula is often a prerequisite for direct entry midwifery education in the USA. At this point I just want to offer some info on the obstetric nurse versus midwifve. USA trained obstetric nurses are not required to be educated/trained as midwives, they are nurses with experience in labor and delivery, they are usually extremely well trained/educated and I wouldn't be without one in an obstetric emergency in a US hospital. It is not in their job description to either birth/deliver babies, however they do everything else including calling the doctor or midwife when the baby is on view. Many are also great supporters and/or advocates for the mum (mom), however they work in a hospital environment governed by protocols, guidelines, and procedures. They are also incredibly understaffed and again while they will do their best to provide one to one care during labor and birth if it is busy the care
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extremely well trained/educated and I wouldn't be without one in an obstetric emergency in a US hospital. It is not in their job description to either birth/deliver babies, however they do everything else including calling the doctor or midwife when the baby is on view. Many are also great supporters and/or advocates for the mum (mom), however they work in a hospital environment governed by protocols, guidelines, and procedures. They are also incredibly understaffed and again while they will do their best to provide one to one care during labor and birth if it is busy the care will be less than supportive though competent. There are midwives in the USA both nurse midwives and DEM's (of which I am one). Nurse midwives (if working as a nurse midwife and not a L D nurse) have their own clients. They either have their own clinic, usually part of a group practice of other CNM's and sometimes OB's and GP's or they are part of a hospital clinic where they work similarly to team/group midwives at hospital antenatal clinics here. Nurse midwives may also work independently doing home and free-standing birth center births. They have usually had to have 1 to 2 yrs experience as a labour and delivery (obstetric) nurse in a hospital delivery suite before being accepted to nurse midwifery school. There are some 8,000 CNM's in the USA. Direct Entry Midwives may or may not be also nurses, usually have their own clinics and attend births at home or free-standing birth centers, some also have hospital privileges which means they continue to attend their women as their care giver if there is a hospital transfer and also that they can attend women who for personal or insurance reasons require a hospital birth, they will be assisted at the hospital birth by the obsteric/labor and delivery nurse. In a perfect midwifery world there would be no need for doulas or should I say professional doulas, however it is not a perfect world and most likely wont be for a while. The big down side that I see to the doula movement is that hospital administrations may come to depend on them, and so pass the cost of hiring extra nurses (in the USA) or midwives (Australia, UK etc) onto clients/consumers of whom a certain percentage may be counted on (by the admin)to hire their own private doula. So, I don't think we should be antagonistic to doulas but maybe cautious. I had better finish before I write a paper. regards marilyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I
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Lynne
I wish to complement you in how wellyou
have written your "Hello" to Ricardo, I found it refreshing and honest,
giving some (midwives)of usstillhope and
insiration.
Many thanks and take care
Cheryl
--- Original Message -
From:
Lynne
Staff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:42
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil
here...
Hello to you Ricardo
I have taken the liberty of forwarding your
posting on to a coleague of mine and will ask that he table it at the next
meeting of RANZCOG (Royal Australia and New Zealand College of Obstetricians
and Gynaecologists). You are right - the humanisation of birthIS a
global issue, and it is essential that where change is happening, and where
efforts arebeing made to honour and respect women in birth (or women as
people) that as many people know about it as possible.
Sometimes when my heart is heavy about the things
we are witness to every day in birth, I think about the situation in other
countries where the plight is much worse for women generally in their lives,
birth being such an important part, and thishelps to putthings
into perspective.
There is so much to be done - the technocratic
wheel is in full spin and spinning furiously, and it will take a mammoth
effort on many people's part to slow the spin, even just a little. But the
speed of the wheel slows in many places, as people such as yourself and many
others, work to keep birth as it should be, alive and well,
insistingthatwomen should be treated, as you so beautifully
express, 'with caress and gentleness'.
As a dear friend and colleague of mine says
"Itmatters how babies come into this world" and in my midwifery
experience (I am old, like yourself! Even older!!) of almost 20 years, every
birth I accompany a woman on shows me afresh how much it does matter,
and how respectful ofbirth we must be - not only for women, but for
ourselves as those who are the privileged ones to be with women at this time
(because each birth contibutes to, and helps shape ourindividual
philosophyof birth, and thus, how we are when we are with all of the
subsequent women we care for), but also forthe future of humankind. The
"kind" on the end of human seems ironic at times, does it not?
Regards, Lynne
- Original Message -
From:
Ricardo Herbert
Jones
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil
here...
Hello everybody:
My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones
I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the
pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about
Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil.
As an obstetrician I would like to share
experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think
that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single
person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows
where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once
born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued
from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s
tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking
to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20
years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and
gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic
phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as
persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right
problem.
I am one of theleaders of Rehuna
(Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to
empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government
area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first
step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and
doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro.
Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well,
and I love to talk too much...
Hope I can get good advices from you
all.
Ricardo Herbert Jones
Ob/Gyn and Homeopath
Porto Alegre - Brasil
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Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __Ricardo Herbert JonesRicICQ#:1640612 Current ICQ status: (Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445(Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 04457Fax#: Ask me+ More ways to contact me i See more about me: __ online?icq=1640612=21 Description: Binary data
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Dear ricardo Welcome Are you coming to the International meeting of OBs in Sydney next month??Denise hynd - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __Ricardo Herbert JonesRicICQ#:1640612 Current ICQ status: (Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445(Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 04457Fax#: Ask me+ More ways to contact me i See more about me: __ online?icq=1640612=21 Description: Binary data
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Hello to you Ricardo I have taken the liberty of forwarding your posting on to a coleague of mine and will ask that he table it at the next meeting of RANZCOG (Royal Australia and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists). You are right - the humanisation of birthIS a global issue, and it is essential that where change is happening, and where efforts arebeing made to honour and respect women in birth (or women as people) that as many people know about it as possible. Sometimes when my heart is heavy about the things we are witness to every day in birth, I think about the situation in other countries where the plight is much worse for women generally in their lives, birth being such an important part, and thishelps to putthings into perspective. There is so much to be done - the technocratic wheel is in full spin and spinning furiously, and it will take a mammoth effort on many people's part to slow the spin, even just a little. But the speed of the wheel slows in many places, as people such as yourself and many others, work to keep birth as it should be, alive and well, insistingthatwomen should be treated, as you so beautifully express, 'with caress and gentleness'. As a dear friend and colleague of mine says "Itmatters how babies come into this world" and in my midwifery experience (I am old, like yourself! Even older!!) of almost 20 years, every birth I accompany a woman on shows me afresh how much it does matter, and how respectful ofbirth we must be - not only for women, but for ourselves as those who are the privileged ones to be with women at this time (because each birth contibutes to, and helps shape ourindividual philosophyof birth, and thus, how we are when we are with all of the subsequent women we care for), but also forthe future of humankind. The "kind" on the end of human seems ironic at times, does it not? Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __Ricardo Herbert JonesRicICQ#:1640612 Current ICQ status: (Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445(Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 04457Fax#: Ask me+ More ways to contact me i See more about me: __ online?icq=1640612=21 Description: Binary data
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Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me: __ inline: 249cee.jpg - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com
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Hi Andrea - did you send an attachment with this email, because it came with one and I just wanted to check - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me: __ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Especially as it has the title "Best for Women"! Says a lot about decision-making in Australian obstetrics, doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Dear ricardo Welcome Are you coming to the International meeting of OBs in Sydney next month??Denise hynd - Original Message - From: Ricardo Herbert Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in aCongress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm willtakes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that womenshallbe treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of theleaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called "Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __Ricardo Herbert JonesRicICQ#:1640612 Current ICQ status: (Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445(Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 04457Fax#: Ask me+ More ways to contact me i See more about me: __ online?icq=1640612=21 Description: Binary data
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Dear Andrea I love your turn(s) of phrase particularly that which ends your diary entry on Nurse and midwives! Always the midwifery advocate Thank you Denise - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me: __ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hello Ric No, I am not aware of any attachments to my messages - the list doesn't handle attachments. My emails are all virus checked before they are sent, so no idea what the attachment is all about (and I don't use Outlook Express either!). Hug, Andrea At 09:32 6/09/2003, Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Andrea - did you send an attachment with this email, because it came with one and I just wanted to check - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me: __ - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Andrea the email I got from you has an attachment too Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ric No, I am not aware of any attachments to my messages - the list doesn't handle attachments. My emails are all virus checked before they are sent, so no idea what the attachment is all about (and I don't use Outlook Express either!). Hug, Andrea At 09:32 6/09/2003, Lynne Staff wrote: Hi Andrea - did you send an attachment with this email, because it came with one and I just wanted to check - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me: __ --- - - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http
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(obstetric) nurse in a hospital delivery suite before being accepted to nurse midwifery school. There are some 8,000 CNM's in the USA. Direct Entry Midwives may or may not be also nurses, usually have their own clinics and attend births at home or free-standing birth centers, some also have hospital privileges which means they continue to attend their women as their care giver if there is a hospital transfer and also that they can attend women who for personal or insurance reasons require a hospital birth, they will be assisted at the hospital birth by the obsteric/labor and delivery nurse. In a perfect midwifery world there would be no need for doulas or should I say professional doulas, however it is not a perfect world and most likely wont be for a while. The big down side that I see to the doula movement is that hospital administrations may come to depend on them, and so pass the cost of hiring extra nurses (in the USA) or midwives (Australia, UK etc) onto clients/consumers of whom a certain percentage may be counted on (by the admin)to hire their own private doula. So, I don't think we should be antagonistic to doulas but maybe cautious. I had better finish before I write a paper. regards marilyn - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... Hello Ricardo, Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say that I think REHUNA should be careful of the doula phenomenon? Rather than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and one with no training was just as good as one with training. I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your nurses on the basics of being with women. In the meantime, I have written a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think these things need to be said. Look forward to seeing you again! Andrea At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: Hello everybody: My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São Paulo, Brasil. As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time in a woman´s womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic devices or were we cherished by mom´s tender body till we entered this world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. That´s a terrible thing, because it´s a human´s right problem. I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called Friends in Light, to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de Janeiro. Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too much... Hope I can get good advices from you all. Ricardo Herbert Jones Ob/Gyn and Homeopath Porto Alegre - Brasil __ Ricardo Herbert Jones Ric ICQ#: 1640612 Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg ( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 ( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 7 Fax#: Ask me + http://wwp.icq.com/1640612More ways to contact me i http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612See more about me
