Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital]

Don't rush Jo. Caelan is 17 months old and just over 7 kgs. You are obviously doing 
well. He will let you know when he is ready to try new things. Caelan tried solids at 
six months but still eats "poorly". He is however happy and healthy. I felt exactly 
the same, particularly as I am working and didn't want to lose that close connection. 
Don't worry about weaning just enjoy your time together. Megan

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/09/2002 10:56:49 pm >>>
It's very quiet out there...  hope everyone is well??

Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo
weigh-in on Wednesday.  He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a
littler head!  Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no
solids.

She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head
tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to
have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his
eyes as they align well in all directions.  Tilt may be purely behavioural -
we shall see...

Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the
supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is).  What is wrong with
me??  I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go
still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I
can't be bothered feeding him real food!!)

Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic.

Jo

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Larry & Megan]

Babies that don't sleep and infants that 
don't eat solids. I have learnt that babies sleep longer when and if they need 
to without teaching them and infants eat solids when and if they need to without 
forcing them. My 45 min cat nappers came to be sleeping for 11/2 hours on 
their own and my oldest son's (4) favourite foods are vegetables and fruit, 
after refusing anything other than bread and milk for well over a year. Patience 
is one of the hardest lessons as a parent. 
 
Life according to me,
Megan.

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  RhondaSent: Sunday, 29 September 2002 10:53To: 
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  stats
  


  
Pinky wrote -
 
" how her sisters neighbours baby was the same age as mine and 
eveneating CHops!!! and sausages!! and she was TWICE the size of 
mine"
 
My reply to this would have been - well that Poor little baby - it's 
kidneys and liver will probably be totally ruined by the time it is 30 
and it will probably have a heart attack at 45.   They have 
shortedn it's life by forcing it's body to break down foods that are 
fatty and high in cholesterole.  Why would you want me to try to 
kill my own baby like that!
The best response to people trying to force feed babies.  
I heard a classic today and I will try to relay the situation...
My firend cared for a little girl - petite little thing she 
was..3yrs old.  Underweight.  Breastfed but would not eat 
much.  There was some concern about the feeding as Mum would come 
home and she would Demand "Boobies NOW!"  And then refuse anything 
else.  The parents tried to coax her to eat and made such a fuss - 
"Please, eat this little itty bite for daddy!  theres a good girl, 
just half this little dried apricot, What of daddy eats a bit 
first"   etc.  This went on every mealtime.  Just to 
get a tiny bit of solid food into her.  
The other day my friend saw the chiild - about 12yrs old now.  
Podgy - quite overweight, it actually shocked my fried to see the 
tiny little child had actually got fat.  I think that they made 
such an issue of food that it has actually given the child a weight 
problem.  If they had relaxed then she would probably have been 
fine but there was so much pressure to be doing the right thing socially 
in forcing solid food down her throat that I am sure that has caused a 
weight problem.    I think that perhaps they should have 
offered food before "boobies" but to breast feed and then make an issue 
of food was quite bizzare to me.
Rhonda
 

  

  
  


  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Aviva Sheb'a]

Oh, Woe! 
 
I find the term, 'boob' for breast rrgh. Booby trap, booby prize. I 
like the term Breast. 
 
My mother was concerned that I was eating snails, shell and all. The 
doctor's answer: Give her more meat. I stopped eating snails and cut my teeth on 
chop bones. I fare well on meat for breakky (real meat, not snags). Do not 
digest carbohydrates well, and lentils etc I cannot tolerate at all, mind you, 
I've been exposed to Agent Orange etc during the Vietnam War. There is no diet 
suitable for all. 
 
I agree with the eating disorder thing. That's how I became 
overweight...she's too skinny. Oops. too fat. 
When Rosie was very little, we had house guests who spent a weekend 
attempting to force feed her with the aeroplane bit. She clearly decided that 
was a good way to get a word in between her five year old brother and her tired 
mother. After a week or so, I took Leslie aside and concocted a plan. 
At dinner, when she was playing with her food, I said, fine, you don't want 
it, here, Leslie you have half and I'll have half. We ate her dinner to the 
astonished cries. Well, you didn't want it, we said and cleared the table. Next 
day, Rosie ate her dinner happily. When she announced she was full, I said, 
fine, then stop eating. At fourteen and eight months, Rosie is the picture of 
health, neither fat nor skinny, rarely a pimple, does well at everything and is 
a delight to have around. Leslie at almost nineteen, laments the fact that can 
no longer eat quite as much as he used 
to! Poor chap, must be awful not to have to eat $100 worth of food a 
week! 
 
Shut me up!
 
Aviva

Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Aviva Sheb'a]

ditto, ditto, ditto and ditto again! 
 
Had a fabulous day yesterday with Vicki, Nic, 
Tania, Jan and a whole gorgeous collection of mothers, a couple of dads, 
littlies, videos, cups of tea, oh it was so good to be with women and birthing 
experiences after what I realised was a kind of drought. I'd been all birthed 
out, so to speak, when my daughter went to school and I let my Active Birth work 
slip, rather gratefully. Now I'm so glad to be getting back into it. I really is 
the most important work, and yes, Vicki, it CAN change the world.
 
Love to you all,
 
Aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Pinky 
McKay 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats
Hear! hear! Carolyn,The work of mothering IS important - 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Rhonda]

  Pinky wrote -
   
  " how her sisters neighbours baby was the same age as mine and 
  eveneating CHops!!! and sausages!! and she was TWICE the size of 
  mine"
   
  My reply to this would have been - well that Poor little baby - it's 
  kidneys and liver will probably be totally ruined by the time it is 30 and 
  it will probably have a heart attack at 45.   They have shortedn 
  it's life by forcing it's body to break down foods that are fatty and high 
  in cholesterole.  Why would you want me to try to kill my own baby 
  like that!
  The best response to people trying to force feed babies.  
  I heard a classic today and I will try to relay the situation...
  My firend cared for a little girl - petite little thing she 
  was..3yrs old.  Underweight.  Breastfed but would not eat 
  much.  There was some concern about the feeding as Mum would come 
  home and she would Demand "Boobies NOW!"  And then refuse anything 
  else.  The parents tried to coax her to eat and made such a fuss - 
  "Please, eat this little itty bite for daddy!  theres a good girl, 
  just half this little dried apricot, What of daddy eats a bit 
  first"   etc.  This went on every mealtime.  Just to 
  get a tiny bit of solid food into her.  
  The other day my friend saw the chiild - about 12yrs old now.  
  Podgy - quite overweight, it actually shocked my fried to see the 
  tiny little child had actually got fat.  I think that they made such 
  an issue of food that it has actually given the child a weight 
  problem.  If they had relaxed then she would probably have been fine 
  but there was so much pressure to be doing the right thing socially in 
  forcing solid food down her throat that I am sure that has caused a weight 
  problem.    I think that perhaps they should have offered 
  food before "boobies" but to breast feed and then make an issue of food 
  was quite bizzare to me.
  Rhonda
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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[Pinky McKay]

Hear! hear! Carolyn,
The work of mothering IS important - Jo , you are teaching your baby to
love!! Nurturing and nourishing him with the best! Lucky baby! Be as soppy
as you like - I wish there were more women out there sending positive mother
stories far and wide -Instead. like the birth stories, we hear all the
negatives -how hard it all is, not how beautiful it can be.

Marilyn Waring was a brilliant young politician when I was living in
Hamilton, NEw Zealand years ago -where is she now, I wonder?

Ditto about the reaching out - I once had a school crossing lady  ask about
my (then) 6month old -she was petite (and still is ) How old 's ya baby?
then, "what does she eat?" I replied "breastmilk" . This woman asked me
"doesnt she even eat baby food". Flabberghasted I answered -"mothers milk IS
baby food!" This woman whom I didnt know from a bar of soap then proceeded
to tell me how her sisters neighbours baby was the same age as mine and even
eating CHops!!! and sausages!! and she was TWICE the size of mine - After
this conversation, for at least an hour or so, I felt I should perhaps offer
"food" to this child who sat up on my lap at mealtimnes anyway (in spite of
the fact she was my 3rd child -after two strapping boys and a clinic sister
who assured me she didnt believe my second child ONLY had breastmilk).

I slowly realised how people's commments can sow the seeds of doubt and sat
back and waited just as I had with the big fat boys - the food was available
but this little madam of mine who was crawling all over etc etc utterly
refused to taste solids until she was 11 months.

I had all sorts of funny comments about that, including insinuations that I
was finding it hard to "let go" .

Now she's a big girl, living away from home (22) and that was such a short
time in our lives.

I say, get all the cuddles and give them all the "booby" they want - the two
greatest gifts we can give our kids are "roots and wings".

Pinky




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From: "Heartlogic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats


> Hi Jo, was going to reply off list, but thought nuh, I'll reply listwise.
> This is too important an issue to go underground about.
>
> Mothers talking about mothering are NEVER 'gushers'. This is one of the
big
> challenges we have these days in our capitalist, patriarchal culture.
> Mothering is such a non valued life path, mothers apologise for mothering
> :-(  The issues/concerns and pleasures/wins of mothers need to be in neon
> lights and on the front pages of media.  Please avoid the twit feeling :-)
> it is such a delight to hear about babies being fed so well and mothers
> enjoying it. It is pure joy to my ears...er...eyes.
>
> Also, an indictment of our culture that the clinic 'sister' was
"astounded"
> that it was breastmilk and not solids :-(  just goes to show what a sorry
> state we are in...
>
> sigh
>
> and it gives us lots of ideas of what to do to change things for the
> better... and people like you are the ones that can help to turn things
> around... for instance, never ever apologise for mothering...I've heard so
> many women say "I'm only a mother". Another indictment of our culture.
>
> I dream of the day when mothering is economically visible and is factored
> into the GNP, because, as Marilyn Waring says in "if women counted"
> 'everytime I see a mother with an infant, I know I am seeing a woman at
> work' - and what vital, pivotal, important work it is, raising a new
member
> of society.
>
> And in terms of when to introduce solids?  From my observation (over many
> many years with various cultural groups, including hippy types :-)  the
> young ones reach out and grab for food when they want it and it is then
> giving them solids is irresistable.  I love the way that children watch
very
> closely, with greater and greater interest, as their mother/father eats,
> their eyes following the food from plate to mouth... and then one day!
The
> grab is on
>
> like everything else to do with bodies and cycles and development, the
body
> knows, the baby knows and the mother knows too :-)
>
> Good on you Jo and thanks for sharing with us, you have made my day.
warmly,
> Carolyn Hastie
> PS, Heartily endorse Pinky's comment about the osteopath and those
> chiropractic folk who do cranio sacral work with babies, they are
fantastic
> with all sorts of things for newborns, have seen magic happen with all
sorts
> of 'conditions'.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Slam

RE: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Heartlogic]

Hi Jo, was going to reply off list, but thought nuh, I'll reply listwise.
This is too important an issue to go underground about.

Mothers talking about mothering are NEVER 'gushers'. This is one of the big
challenges we have these days in our capitalist, patriarchal culture.
Mothering is such a non valued life path, mothers apologise for mothering
:-(  The issues/concerns and pleasures/wins of mothers need to be in neon
lights and on the front pages of media.  Please avoid the twit feeling :-)
it is such a delight to hear about babies being fed so well and mothers
enjoying it. It is pure joy to my ears...er...eyes.

Also, an indictment of our culture that the clinic 'sister' was "astounded"
that it was breastmilk and not solids :-(  just goes to show what a sorry
state we are in...

sigh

and it gives us lots of ideas of what to do to change things for the
better... and people like you are the ones that can help to turn things
around... for instance, never ever apologise for mothering...I've heard so
many women say "I'm only a mother". Another indictment of our culture.

I dream of the day when mothering is economically visible and is factored
into the GNP, because, as Marilyn Waring says in "if women counted"
'everytime I see a mother with an infant, I know I am seeing a woman at
work' - and what vital, pivotal, important work it is, raising a new member
of society.

And in terms of when to introduce solids?  From my observation (over many
many years with various cultural groups, including hippy types :-)  the
young ones reach out and grab for food when they want it and it is then
giving them solids is irresistable.  I love the way that children watch very
closely, with greater and greater interest, as their mother/father eats,
their eyes following the food from plate to mouth... and then one day!  The
grab is on

like everything else to do with bodies and cycles and development, the body
knows, the baby knows and the mother knows too :-)

Good on you Jo and thanks for sharing with us, you have made my day. warmly,
Carolyn Hastie
PS, Heartily endorse Pinky's comment about the osteopath and those
chiropractic folk who do cranio sacral work with babies, they are fantastic
with all sorts of things for newborns, have seen magic happen with all sorts
of 'conditions'.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Slamen
Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 7:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats


Hello Pinky and List,

Pinky, thanks for your lovely message and the comment re osteopath.

I do apologise though, as you all must think I'm such a gusher, I didn't
mean to send this to Ozmid!  I meant to send it to another list of
breastfeeding, co-sleeping Mums that was started when we all got together
from another baby website when all our 1st children were born in May '99.

One press of the wrong button and I feel a twit!

Red-faced Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Jenny Balnaves]

Excuse me Jo, just a comment from a midwife out here. I don't think you could give your boy any food "realer" than breast milk. You are doing so well at this stage and both of you are obviously happy with breast feeding and Alex is thrivinghe will let you know when he wants something other than breast milk, so speaking from experience...enjoy while you can.

Jenny 



>From: "Jo Slamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: "Midwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats 
>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:56:49 +1000 
> 
>It's very quiet out there... hope everyone is well?? 
> 
>Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo 
>weigh-in on Wednesday. He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a 
>littler head! Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no 
>solids. 
> 
>She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head 
>tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to 
>have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with his 
>eyes as they align well in all directions. Tilt may be purely behavioural - 
>we shall see... 
> 
>Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the 
>supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is). What is wrong with 
>me?? I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go 
>still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe I 
>can't be bothered feeding him real food!!) 
> 
>Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic. 
> 
>Jo 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Jo Slamen]

Hello Pinky and List,

Pinky, thanks for your lovely message and the comment re osteopath.

I do apologise though, as you all must think I'm such a gusher, I didn't
mean to send this to Ozmid!  I meant to send it to another list of
breastfeeding, co-sleeping Mums that was started when we all got together
from another baby website when all our 1st children were born in May '99.

One press of the wrong button and I feel a twit!

Red-faced Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats

[Pinky McKay]

Jo,
Its so lovely to hear you so enjoying Alec. What a precious bond.
You know, your tears are normal - mothers need to be weaned gently too!

An osteopath may help the neck tilt.
Pinky
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From: "Jo Slamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Midwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:56 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Alec's 6mo stats


> It's very quiet out there...  hope everyone is well??
>
> Alec weighed in at 19lb 10oz, or 8.9kg at his 6 days earlier than 6mo
> weigh-in on Wednesday.  He is heavier than Nick and 1cm longer, but with a
> littler head!  Clinic sister astounded to learn it was all breast and no
> solids.
>
> She referred us to an optometrist for his head tilt (he holds his head
> tilted to the left periodically - I had already taken him to the doctor to
> have torticollis ruled out), and optometrist says tilt is not to do with
his
> eyes as they align well in all directions.  Tilt may be purely
behavioural -
> we shall see...
>
> Thinking about introducing solids, and bought a jar of babyfood in the
> supermarket today... was almost in tears (me, this is).  What is wrong
with
> me??  I'm so enjoying feeding him, and I know we have a long way to go
> still, but maybe I feel it's the earliest beginnings of weaning (or maybe
I
> can't be bothered feeding him real food!!)
>
> Must make Fred make the scanner work and send a pic.
>
> Jo
>
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