Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
precise editing with Studio recorder from APH is easy and excellent. -- Curtis Delzer On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:43:50 +1100 "Jamie Kelly" wrote: > > You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the EQ, shift > and pitch sliders Etc. > > If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's still > available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. > > Also look at the type of mike your using. > > Jamie > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. > > I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content > using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the > presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display > as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). > > I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have > any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I > currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues > described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any > advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can > anybody please make any other suggestions? > > Many thanks, Danny > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com >
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Danny, Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific suggestions please? Thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound > forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up > mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should > think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee > sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic > microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >> significant advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >> editing package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to >>> Jim Snowberger at: >>> >>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>> this helps. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>> >>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >>> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >>> >>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. >>> I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, >>> generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can >>> please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth >>> contemplating. >>> >>> Many thanks, Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >>>> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >>>> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >>>> >>>> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >>>> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. >>>> >>>> Also look at the type of mike your using. >>>> >>>> Jamie >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Danny Miles >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>>> >>>> Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. >>>> >>>> I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content >>>> using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the >>>> presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille >>>> display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). >>>> >>>> I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to >>>> have any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality >>>> recording. I currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove >>>> the issues described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? >>>> If so, any advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If >>>> not, can anybody please make any other suggestions? >>>> >>>> Many thanks, Danny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! >>>> Antivirus protection is active. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant advantage to it or not. Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing package? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: Hello Danny, In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim Snowberger at: snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope this helps. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. Many thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. Also look at the type of mike your using. Jamie -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can anybody please make any other suggestions? Many thanks, Danny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Danny, I've only used Sound Forge and really have always liked it, but I've never used Gold Wave. So I can't say. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:24 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant advantage to it or not. Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing package? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hello Danny, > > In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim > Snowberger at: > > snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope > this helps. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. > > I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most > commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer > rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I > do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the > Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. > > Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I > used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, > I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please > advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. > > Many thanks, Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >> >> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >> >> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. >> >> Also look at the type of mike your using. >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. >> >> I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content >> using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the >> presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille >> display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). >> >> I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have >> any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I >> currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues >> described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any >> advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can >> anybody please make any other suggestions? >> >> Many thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> > > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Colin. Thanks so much for your detailed message. I didn't know what that text box was but it's still set on the default so I'll adjust it. Regarding the zoom ratio, could you please explain this in more detail? I usually use the Effects menu for attempted edits of this sort (smoother, noise reduction, etc) and I don't remember seeing anything of this name in there. Are you doing something more extensive than my production knowledge and abilities currently allow? Also, I think I'm only on something like version 5.68, so I guess I may be missing something that's in more recent versions? All the best, Danny On 3/10/15, Colin Howard wrote: > Greetings, > > Danny, I do not find the GoldWave functions either too aggressive or weak, > true, I don't have braille display clicks but mouth noises? yes. > > I can remove mouth noises from infront of a word by setting the zoom ratio > ad 0.002300 and I assume you have the scrub feature enabled? I can't see > how you can edit GW files if not. > > In case you are unaware of this, go into play properties with f11, tab past > the wind and rewind settings to an edit box which, by default, is set to > 0.000 this is the scrub function. I use 0.150 as my value and this is > adequate for all editting I have so far performed. > > This enables you to hear 0.15ths of any sound when moving arrows or > markers. > > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Try keeping the braille display away from the microphonedrink water before recording so your mouth so dry Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > > Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. > > I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due > to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows > or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at > different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the > Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have > any specific suggestions please? > > Thanks, Danny > > > >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge >> and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth >> noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think >> about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive >> and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone >> with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>> >>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant >>> advantage to it or not. >>> >>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam >>> broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable >>> or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing >>> package? >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: Hello Danny,
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Best advice yet! bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:12 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Try keeping the braille display away from the microphonedrink water before recording so your mouth so dry Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > > Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. > > I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due > to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows > or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at > different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the > Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have > any specific suggestions please? > > Thanks, Danny > > > >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>> >>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of >>> course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the >>> cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>> significant advantage to it or not. >>> >>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>> editing package? >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>> Hello Danny,
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
twisted wave is a program for the mac. On 3/11/2015 2:12 AM, Brett Boyer wrote: Hi Tina. No, I have not heard of twisted wave, but I know almost all audio editing is done visually and I know I would be a lot faster at it if I could see. However, just like staring at levels versus listening to the sound in your headphones. I find some sighted people making some big audio mistakes, probably just by looking at wave forms as opposed to actually listening to the piece they're cutting up. If you get any more info on this program, please share. Tc -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tina Wilson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:47 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks You are right. It does take a lot of patience. I have friends who think I'm nuts for doing it. I'm just curious. Have you heard of Twisted Wave? I know sighted people who love it, but I have the feeling that it's not accessible for us. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant advantage to it or not. Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing package? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: Hello Danny, In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim Snowberger at: snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope this helps. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display an
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi, I do understand what you are saying. It's so true. Will email if I hear any more about the program. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:13 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. No, I have not heard of twisted wave, but I know almost all audio editing is done visually and I know I would be a lot faster at it if I could see. However, just like staring at levels versus listening to the sound in your headphones. I find some sighted people making some big audio mistakes, probably just by looking at wave forms as opposed to actually listening to the piece they're cutting up. If you get any more info on this program, please share. Tc -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tina Wilson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:47 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks You are right. It does take a lot of patience. I have friends who think I'm nuts for doing it. I'm just curious. Have you heard of Twisted Wave? I know sighted people who love it, but I have the feeling that it's not accessible for us. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. > > Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? > Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course > buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of > professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant > advantage to it or not. > > Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam > broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable > or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing > package? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hello Danny, >> >> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >> Snowberger at: >> >> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >> this helps. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On B
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hey Danny. Yes it has been awhile! I am a bit of a perfectionist too, so I'd be the wrong person to ask that question. But, as a consumer of audiobooks I would say that anything that annoys you probably annoys them too. Although, I pick up on things a lot more than even the blind people around me, I guess it comes with the territory! Anyway, dry mouth or excessive swallowing is definitely a no-no for me, I'm sure for you as well! Talk soon bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:42 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Brett. Long time no speak - how are you? Yes, I agree with you on the issue of over-editing. I very rarely edit out breathing sounds, unless there's a particularly obvious catch in it, but I've rarely heard the little sounds of a moist mouth on other recordings so assume that it's more important to remove these. I admit that I check all of my work with headphones, so I'm going to pick up every little detail, but if people are buying these narrations from places like Audible it's quite possible that they'll be listening on earpieces or headphones too. As I'm a narrator rather than an audio publisher, I don't know how much most people will let you get away with. Do you think I may be acting as a bit of a perfectionist? Even if so, the sound of the Braille display cursor constantly flashing does irritate me, and I imagine it would frustrate others too. Danny On 3/10/15, Brett Boyer wrote: > Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. > I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles > for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. > I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw > more and more accessibility slipping away. > Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible > features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went > with Goldwave. > Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who > always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. > It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out > these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't > think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good > at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. > I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! > SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind > of debate... > Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have > been a proud GW user too! > And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" > out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too > friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. > I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where > someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the > presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. > So, just a heads-up! > Jmt > bb > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim > cumings > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound > forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up > mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should > think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee > sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic > microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >> significant advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >> editing package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Danny, I don't know if I can help, but here are a few questions that come to mind. Is your mike on a stand? Is the stand part of your desk or is it on its own legs? Is your braille display small enough to put in your lap? If the excess noise in your room is so overpowering that you have to get close to your mic than you need to work on moving the mic in to a quieter place, or putting some kind of shield between you and the things that are making noise. For example, if your doing your reads right by a computer that is going to be pretty loud, you might want to move yourself and your mic to a place further away. Hth bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Barry. Thanks for your thoughts. I have my master mic volume on my mixer quite low in order to reduce room hiss/ambience, so that means my mic and display end up quite close together. I've briefly tried putting material underneath the display but this didn't seem to work (possibly because the noise is coming from the cursor and other elements on top of the display rather than underneath it). What, if any, sort of barriers would you be thinking of placing between the display and mic? The pop shield for the mic currently sits roughly over the display with the mic placed behind it. I used to have the mic positioned to the side of me rather than in front of me, but this inhibited my breathing as I had to lean over myself to get close to the mic, and as I'm narrating books I naturally need to be able to take deep breaths. Thanks for any suggestions. Danny On 3/10/15, Barry Chapman wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Regarding the braille display noise, have you looked at placing some > sort of barrier between the mic and the display, adjusting the angle > of the mic or moving the display as far from the mic as practical. I > have found that trying to filter out unwanted noise with a program > such as Sound Forge almost always results in the overall sound quality > being degraded and therefore should be a last resource option. > > Regards, > Barry Chapman > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille > display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if > live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... > I'm used to using them when broadcasting. > > However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being > an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to > audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth > noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. > > What sort of VO work do you do? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >> >> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 >> due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio >> shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked >> at different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration >> the Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you >> have any specific suggestions please? >> >> Thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou >>> should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might >>> be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, >>> a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >>> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>>> >>>> Do you feel that SF is b
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
I was thinking of something like placing the display in a box with an open front so you could still use it. You could even consider placing the display on your lap, provided it didn't make reading too difficult. Barry Chapman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 9:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Barry. Thanks for your thoughts. I have my master mic volume on my mixer quite low in order to reduce room hiss/ambience, so that means my mic and display end up quite close together. I've briefly tried putting material underneath the display but this didn't seem to work (possibly because the noise is coming from the cursor and other elements on top of the display rather than underneath it). What, if any, sort of barriers would you be thinking of placing between the display and mic? The pop shield for the mic currently sits roughly over the display with the mic placed behind it. I used to have the mic positioned to the side of me rather than in front of me, but this inhibited my breathing as I had to lean over myself to get close to the mic, and as I'm narrating books I naturally need to be able to take deep breaths. Thanks for any suggestions. Danny On 3/10/15, Barry Chapman wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Regarding the braille display noise, have you looked at placing some sort of > barrier between the mic and the display, adjusting the angle of the mic or > moving the display as far from the mic as practical. I have found that > trying to filter out unwanted noise with a program such as Sound Forge > almost always results in the overall sound quality being degraded and > therefore should be a last resource option. > > Regards, > Barry Chapman > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille > display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if > live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... > I'm used to using them when broadcasting. > > However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being > an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to > audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth > noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. > > What sort of VO work do you do? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >> >> Tina >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny >> Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >> >> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to >> its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or >> recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different >> types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille >> display >> and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific >> suggestions >> please? >> >> Thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >>> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >>> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >>> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >>> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>>> >>>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >>>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >>>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>>> significant advantage to it or not. >>>> >>>> Also, as previously mentio
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Tina. No, I have not heard of twisted wave, but I know almost all audio editing is done visually and I know I would be a lot faster at it if I could see. However, just like staring at levels versus listening to the sound in your headphones. I find some sighted people making some big audio mistakes, probably just by looking at wave forms as opposed to actually listening to the piece they're cutting up. If you get any more info on this program, please share. Tc -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tina Wilson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:47 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks You are right. It does take a lot of patience. I have friends who think I'm nuts for doing it. I'm just curious. Have you heard of Twisted Wave? I know sighted people who love it, but I have the feeling that it's not accessible for us. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. > > Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? > Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course > buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of > professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant > advantage to it or not. > > Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam > broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable > or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing > package? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hello Danny, >> >> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >> Snowberger at: >> >> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >> this helps. >> >> Tina >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >> >> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mi
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Mike. Thanks for this recommendation. If memory serves me correctly (without checking out the tutorial), I think this is a USB mic. Can you confirm or contradict this please? Danny On 3/10/15, Mike Bernard wrote: > While we're on the subject of audio editing, I'd like to suggest the Blue > Yetti. It offers four different pickup patterns, so you can adjust the way > it picks up your voice. It also has a way for you to monitor what's being > picked up from it as well. Here's a link to an audio tutorial about it: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/djrbrqri08kczj9/bct1524BlueYetiMicrophone.mp3?dl=0 > > It's an old tutorial from a few years ago, but it still holds lots of > valuable information. Hope it helps. > Mike > Rochester, NY. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett > Boyer > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:32 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. > I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for > me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. > I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more > and more accessibility slipping away. > Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible > features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with > Goldwave. > Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who > always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. > It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these > little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it > really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and > you have the ear and the patience to do it. > I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! > SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of > debate... > Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a > proud GW user too! > And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out > there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly > with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. > I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone > decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound > like a robot and it was unlistenable. > So, just a heads-up! > Jmt > bb > -----Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim > cumings > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and > goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and > noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing > to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different > pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern > might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant >> advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam >> broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable >> or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing >> package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >>> Snowberger at: >>> >>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>> this helps. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
While we're on the subject of audio editing, I'd like to suggest the Blue Yetti. It offers four different pickup patterns, so you can adjust the way it picks up your voice. It also has a way for you to monitor what's being picked up from it as well. Here's a link to an audio tutorial about it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/djrbrqri08kczj9/bct1524BlueYetiMicrophone.mp3?dl=0 It's an old tutorial from a few years ago, but it still holds lots of valuable information. Hope it helps. Mike Rochester, NY. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:32 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. > > Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? > Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course > buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of > professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant > advantage to it or not. > > Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam > broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable > or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing > package? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hello Danny, >> >> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >> Snowberger at: >> >> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >> this helps. >> >> Tina >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >> >> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >> >> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I >> used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, >> I thin
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Danny, I wish I had some new thoughts for you on this, but that is primarily why I've never gotten in to audio books. I don't have an embosser, and unless it was a really short children's book, I can't picture brailling hundreds of pages, and yet, that is such a wide open field right now in voice work. The only site that I know of for audio books is ACX. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. Funny you should mention ACX ... it's auditioning for work on there that's instigated these questions of mine. :) Do you know of other similar sites or is ACX one that you use as well? I have an embosser but I haven't currently got the space to set it up and I'm not sure if it's compatible with my current laptop. I guess I could type things out on my Perkins machine, but I think that would be very expensive in terms of time and may not make the jobs so beneficial in terms of financial reward. Any thoughts from you welcome on this. Thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > I hate mouth noises. I hate editing them out, they take forever. > > Have you heard of ACX? It's a website to audition for audio books. So > I'm just curious. If you got a lengthy script that you needed to > braille, how would that work. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:35 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. > > Sam encoders are a type of encoder used to send content to the > internet for broadcasting purposes. However, the Sam ones also allow > you to record an archive of your broadcast for future use (replays, > editing for podcasts, availability for listening back to review performance, > etc). > > I'm currently working on auditioning for audio books rather than > already having one but, during my early recordings, I've noticed this > issue of the mouth noises and clicks from the Braille display as I > navigate through a document or as the cursor flashes. The audition > scripts are available electronically so a Braille display is perfect, > but I need to find a way of minimising these noises in order to create a > higher-quality product. > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> That's very interesting. What are sam encoders? Are you working on an >> audio book, and if so, did you get it transcribed via a braille >> printer or how did that work for you. >> >> I do corporate narration, some on hold messages, and some e Learning. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille >> display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if >> live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... >> I'm used to using them when broadcasting. >> >> However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being >> an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related >> to audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like >> mouth noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. >> >> What sort of VO work do you do? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hi Danny, >>> >>> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >>> >>> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 >>> due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio >>> shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked >>> at different types of m
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Hi. Sorry, haven't heard of Twisted Wave ... what is it? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > You are right. It does take a lot of patience. I have friends who think I'm > nuts for doing it. > > I'm just curious. Have you heard of Twisted Wave? I know sighted people who > love it, but I have the feeling that it's not accessible for us. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett > Boyer > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. > I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for > me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. > I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more > and more accessibility slipping away. > Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible > features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with > Goldwave. > Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who > always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. > It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these > little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it > really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and > you have the ear and the patience to do it. > I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! > SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of > debate... > Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a > proud GW user too! > And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out > there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly > with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. > I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone > decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound > like a robot and it was unlistenable. > So, just a heads-up! > Jmt > bb > -----Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim > cumings > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and > goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and > noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing > to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different > pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern > might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant >> advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam >> broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable >> or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing >> package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >>> Snowberger at: >>> >>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>> this helps. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>> >>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >>> Brai
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Hi Tina. Funny you should mention ACX ... it's auditioning for work on there that's instigated these questions of mine. :) Do you know of other similar sites or is ACX one that you use as well? I have an embosser but I haven't currently got the space to set it up and I'm not sure if it's compatible with my current laptop. I guess I could type things out on my Perkins machine, but I think that would be very expensive in terms of time and may not make the jobs so beneficial in terms of financial reward. Any thoughts from you welcome on this. Thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > I hate mouth noises. I hate editing them out, they take forever. > > Have you heard of ACX? It's a website to audition for audio books. So I'm > just curious. If you got a lengthy script that you needed to braille, how > would that work. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:35 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. > > Sam encoders are a type of encoder used to send content to the internet for > broadcasting purposes. However, the Sam ones also allow you to record an > archive of your broadcast for future use (replays, editing for podcasts, > availability for listening back to review performance, etc). > > I'm currently working on auditioning for audio books rather than already > having one but, during my early recordings, I've noticed this issue of the > mouth noises and clicks from the Braille display as I navigate through a > document or as the cursor flashes. The audition scripts are available > electronically so a Braille display is perfect, but I need to find a way of > minimising these noises in order to create a higher-quality product. > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> That's very interesting. What are sam encoders? Are you working on an >> audio book, and if so, did you get it transcribed via a braille >> printer or how did that work for you. >> >> I do corporate narration, some on hold messages, and some e Learning. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:46 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille >> display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if >> live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... >> I'm used to using them when broadcasting. >> >> However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being >> an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to >> audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth >> noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. >> >> What sort of VO work do you do? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hi Danny, >>> >>> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >>> >>> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 >>> due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio >>> shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked >>> at different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration >>> the Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you >>> have any specific suggestions please? >>> >>> Thanks, Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou >>>> should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might >>>> be lsee sensitive a
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You are right. It does take a lot of patience. I have friends who think I'm nuts for doing it. I'm just curious. Have you heard of Twisted Wave? I know sighted people who love it, but I have the feeling that it's not accessible for us. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brett Boyer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:32 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. > > Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? > Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course > buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of > professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant > advantage to it or not. > > Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam > broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable > or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing > package? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hello Danny, >> >> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >> Snowberger at: >> >> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >> this helps. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >> >> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >> >> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I >> used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, >> I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please >> advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. >> >> Many thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >>&g
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Hi Barry. Thanks for your thoughts. I have my master mic volume on my mixer quite low in order to reduce room hiss/ambience, so that means my mic and display end up quite close together. I've briefly tried putting material underneath the display but this didn't seem to work (possibly because the noise is coming from the cursor and other elements on top of the display rather than underneath it). What, if any, sort of barriers would you be thinking of placing between the display and mic? The pop shield for the mic currently sits roughly over the display with the mic placed behind it. I used to have the mic positioned to the side of me rather than in front of me, but this inhibited my breathing as I had to lean over myself to get close to the mic, and as I'm narrating books I naturally need to be able to take deep breaths. Thanks for any suggestions. Danny On 3/10/15, Barry Chapman wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Regarding the braille display noise, have you looked at placing some sort of > barrier between the mic and the display, adjusting the angle of the mic or > moving the display as far from the mic as practical. I have found that > trying to filter out unwanted noise with a program such as Sound Forge > almost always results in the overall sound quality being degraded and > therefore should be a last resource option. > > Regards, > Barry Chapman > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:46 AM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille > display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if > live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... > I'm used to using them when broadcasting. > > However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being > an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to > audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth > noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. > > What sort of VO work do you do? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny >> Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >> >> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to >> its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or >> recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different >> types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille >> display >> and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific >> suggestions >> please? >> >> Thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >>> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >>> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >>> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >>> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>>> >>>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >>>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >>>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>>> significant advantage to it or not. >>>> >>>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>>> editing package? >>>> >>>> Danny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>>> Hello Danny, >>>>> >>>>> In order to r
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Hi Danny, I hate mouth noises. I hate editing them out, they take forever. Have you heard of ACX? It's a website to audition for audio books. So I'm just curious. If you got a lengthy script that you needed to braille, how would that work. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:35 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. Sam encoders are a type of encoder used to send content to the internet for broadcasting purposes. However, the Sam ones also allow you to record an archive of your broadcast for future use (replays, editing for podcasts, availability for listening back to review performance, etc). I'm currently working on auditioning for audio books rather than already having one but, during my early recordings, I've noticed this issue of the mouth noises and clicks from the Braille display as I navigate through a document or as the cursor flashes. The audition scripts are available electronically so a Braille display is perfect, but I need to find a way of minimising these noises in order to create a higher-quality product. Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > That's very interesting. What are sam encoders? Are you working on an > audio book, and if so, did you get it transcribed via a braille > printer or how did that work for you. > > I do corporate narration, some on hold messages, and some e Learning. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille > display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if > live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... > I'm used to using them when broadcasting. > > However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being > an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to > audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth > noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. > > What sort of VO work do you do? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >> >> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 >> due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio >> shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked >> at different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration >> the Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you >> have any specific suggestions please? >> >> Thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou >>> should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might >>> be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, >>> a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >>> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>>> >>>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of >>>> course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the >>>> cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>>> significant advantage to it or not. >>>> >>>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>>> editing package? >>>> >>>> Danny >>
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Hi Brett. Long time no speak - how are you? Yes, I agree with you on the issue of over-editing. I very rarely edit out breathing sounds, unless there's a particularly obvious catch in it, but I've rarely heard the little sounds of a moist mouth on other recordings so assume that it's more important to remove these. I admit that I check all of my work with headphones, so I'm going to pick up every little detail, but if people are buying these narrations from places like Audible it's quite possible that they'll be listening on earpieces or headphones too. As I'm a narrator rather than an audio publisher, I don't know how much most people will let you get away with. Do you think I may be acting as a bit of a perfectionist? Even if so, the sound of the Braille display cursor constantly flashing does irritate me, and I imagine it would frustrate others too. Danny On 3/10/15, Brett Boyer wrote: > Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. > I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for > me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. > I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more > and more accessibility slipping away. > Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible > features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with > Goldwave. > Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who > always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. > It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these > little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it > really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and > you have the ear and the patience to do it. > I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! > SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of > debate... > Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a > proud GW user too! > And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out > there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly > with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. > I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone > decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound > like a robot and it was unlistenable. > So, just a heads-up! > Jmt > bb > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim > cumings > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and > goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and > noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing > to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different > pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern > might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant >> advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam >> broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable >> or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing >> package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >>> Snowberger at: >>> >>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>> this helps. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Danny Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>> >>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one
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Hi Danny, Regarding the braille display noise, have you looked at placing some sort of barrier between the mic and the display, adjusting the angle of the mic or moving the display as far from the mic as practical. I have found that trying to filter out unwanted noise with a program such as Sound Forge almost always results in the overall sound quality being degraded and therefore should be a last resource option. Regards, Barry Chapman -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 8:46 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... I'm used to using them when broadcasting. However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. What sort of VO work do you do? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. > > I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to > its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or > recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different > types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille display > and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific suggestions > please? > > Thanks, Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>> >>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>> significant advantage to it or not. >>> >>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>> editing package? >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>> Hello Danny, >>>> >>>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to >>>> Jim Snowberger at: >>>> >>>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>>> this helps. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Danny Miles >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>>> >>>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>>> >>>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >>>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >>>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >>>> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >>>> >>>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. >>>> I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, >>
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Hi Tina. Sam encoders are a type of encoder used to send content to the internet for broadcasting purposes. However, the Sam ones also allow you to record an archive of your broadcast for future use (replays, editing for podcasts, availability for listening back to review performance, etc). I'm currently working on auditioning for audio books rather than already having one but, during my early recordings, I've noticed this issue of the mouth noises and clicks from the Braille display as I navigate through a document or as the cursor flashes. The audition scripts are available electronically so a Braille display is perfect, but I need to find a way of minimising these noises in order to create a higher-quality product. Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > That's very interesting. What are sam encoders? Are you working on an audio > book, and if so, did you get it transcribed via a braille printer or how did > that work for you. > > I do corporate narration, some on hold messages, and some e Learning. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:46 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille display > often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if live). That's > why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... > I'm used to using them when broadcasting. > > However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being an > issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to audio > book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth noises and > Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. > > What sort of VO work do you do? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hi Danny, >> >> Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. >> >> I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due >> to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows >> or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at >> different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the >> Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have >> any specific suggestions please? >> >> Thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >>> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >>> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >>> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >>> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >>> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >>> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >>> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>>> >>>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of >>>> course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the >>>> cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>>> significant advantage to it or not. >>>> >>>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>>> editing package? >>>> >>>> Danny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>>> Hello Danny, >>>>> >>>>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to >>>>> Jim Snowberger at: >>>>> >>>>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>> -Original Mess
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Hi. I have done voice-over work as well and I am a Goldwave user. I am a former Sound Forge user but SF had too many bells and whistles for me. I do all of my editing (and other folks as well) with Goldwave. I used SF a long time ago (before they got bought by Soni) and I saw more and more accessibility slipping away. Once I found out about how Goldwave was really implementing accessible features, and the fact that they seemed to actually care... I went with Goldwave. Just as an example. I had a sighted co-worker at the radio station who always made these little grunts and groans after she would read a sentence. It was very anoying to have to sift through every sentence and cut out these little (sometimes erotic sounding sighs and moans) So, I don't think it really matters what program your using as long as you're good at editing and you have the ear and the patience to do it. I don't really know if my reply is any help, but there it is anyway! SF and Goldwave are great products. I'm not trying to start any kind of debate... Just saying I was a Sound Forge user many many years ago and I have been a proud GW user too! And, while reading this I have one more suggestion for those "editors" out there. There is such a thing as over editing. Some people get too friendly with deleting, and lose the rhythm of natural speech. I recall listening to a "Main Menu" show a few years back where someone decided to cut out all breaths and pauses, they made the presenter sound like a robot and it was unlistenable. So, just a heads-up! Jmt bb -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of tim cumings Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: > Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. > > Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? > Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course > buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of > professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant > advantage to it or not. > > Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam > broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable > or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing > package? > > Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >> Hello Danny, >> >> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >> Snowberger at: >> >> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >> this helps. >> >> Tina >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >> >> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >> >> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I >> used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, >> I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please >> advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. >> >> Many thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >>> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >>> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >>> >>> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >>> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. >>> >>> Also look at the type of mike your using. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-
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Hi Danny, That's very interesting. What are sam encoders? Are you working on an audio book, and if so, did you get it transcribed via a braille printer or how did that work for you. I do corporate narration, some on hold messages, and some e Learning. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:46 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... I'm used to using them when broadcasting. However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. What sort of VO work do you do? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. > > I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due > to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows > or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at > different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the > Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have > any specific suggestions please? > > Thanks, Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>> >>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of >>> course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the >>> cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>> significant advantage to it or not. >>> >>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>> editing package? >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>> Hello Danny, >>>> >>>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to >>>> Jim Snowberger at: >>>> >>>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Danny Miles >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>>> >>>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>>> >>>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >>>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >>>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but >>>> the Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >>>> >>>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. >>>> I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, >>>> generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you >>>> can please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it m
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Hi Tina. I regularly do radio show presentation and the Braille display often comes out on that (which obviously can't be edited if live). That's why I often use Sam encoders for recording content ... I'm used to using them when broadcasting. However, when presenting, I'm not overly aware of mouth noises being an issue. The work which has made me pose this question is related to audio book narration, where the pace is slower and things like mouth noises and Braille display clicks are naturally more evident. What sort of VO work do you do? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hi Danny, > > Are you doing voiceover work? That's what I use Sound Forge for. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:55 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. > > I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to > its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or > recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different > types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille display > and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific suggestions > please? > > Thanks, Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: >> Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound >> forge and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up >> mouth noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should >> think about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee >> sensitive and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic >> microphone with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. >> \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >>> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >>> >>> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >>> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >>> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >>> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a >>> significant advantage to it or not. >>> >>> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the >>> Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this >>> advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio >>> editing package? >>> >>> Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>>> Hello Danny, >>>> >>>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to >>>> Jim Snowberger at: >>>> >>>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>>> this helps. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Danny Miles >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>>> >>>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>>> >>>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer >>>> rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? >>>> I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the >>>> Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >>>> >>>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. >>>> I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, >>>> generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can >>>> please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth >>>> contemplating. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, Danny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >>>>> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >>>>> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >>>>> >>>>> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >>>>> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each
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Danny, I am using V5.70 on my WxpHome system and still on my W7 for the moment, intend to upgrade to V6.1 when I am convinced scripts Etc. are safe. I am surprised you've not used the scrub facility, I find it invaluable. Zoom ratio is the amount of sound on the screen, I usually have mine set to show one second but using the shortcut keys, shift 1 through shift 6, this can be brought to under a second, one second, ten seconds, one minute, ten minutes and one hour. Of course, if the file is shorter than any of these, (say five minutes) shift 5 and shift 6 will take it to five minutes. Look for more info at the view menu. It is possible to zoom in samples rather than time, it is even possible to look at individual samples so editting can be made very very precise. I am sending you a SendSpace link for a magazine I produce, using listener input mostly from cassette, this tends to be somewhat variable. Currently, it goes out on cassette and memory stick, those who take the stick receive extra programs. I am sending you the October 2014 program, this contains the following items - reference to part 1 and part 2 is for the benefit of those listening on cassette. October 2014. Part 1. All listener contributions. Part 2. Listener contributions. Strange weather days series 2 part 1. Fear on Four - The Monkey's paw. Extra on stick and download stick version. Geoff Barker 2014 06 14 - second hour chat with Hank Marvin of The shadows Radio Memories - October 2014 - as sent out on memory stick.zip https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/4bp77w
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Hi Tim. Thanks for your feedback. I know what you're talking about but, as I've always used the SM58 due to its strong capacity to pick things up when presenting radio shows or recording documentaries out in the field, I haven't looked at different types of mic. Now that I'm working on audio narration the Braille display and mouth clicks are more prevalent ... do you have any specific suggestions please? Thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, tim cumings wrote: > Danny, there's no difference in editing capabilities between sound forge > and goldwave. As someone else has said, if you are picking up mouth > noises and noise from your braille display, perhaps hyou should think > about swithcing to a different microphone which might be lsee sensitive > and have a different pickup pattern. For example, a dynamic microphone > with a cardioid pattern might help in this situation. > \On 3/10/2015 3:24 PM, Danny Miles wrote: >> Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. >> >> Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? >> Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course >> buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of >> professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant >> advantage to it or not. >> >> Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam >> broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable >> or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing >> package? >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: >>> Hello Danny, >>> >>> In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim >>> Snowberger at: >>> >>> snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope >>> this >>> helps. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny >>> Miles >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>> >>> Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. >>> >>> I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most >>> commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather >>> than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a >>> pop >>> shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display >>> and >>> mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. >>> >>> Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I >>> used >>> SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, I think >>> GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please advise on how >>> to >>> obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. >>> >>> Many thanks, Danny >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >>>> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >>>> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >>>> >>>> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >>>> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. >>>> >>>> Also look at the type of mike your using. >>>> >>>> Jamie >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Danny Miles >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >>>> >>>> Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. >>>> >>>> I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content >>>> using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the >>>> presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display >>>> as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). >>>> >>>> I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have >>>> any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I >>>> currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues >>>> described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any >>>> advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can >>>> anybody please make any other suggestions? >>>> >>>> Many thanks, Danny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >>>> protection is active. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > >
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Hi Tina. Thanks very much for this info. Do you feel that SF is better than GW or are they pretty comparable? Anybody else's thoughts on this would also be appreciated. Of course buying SF would be a considerable outlay, but it is in the cause of professional work, so I guess it depends whether there's a significant advantage to it or not. Also, as previously mentioned, I currently record my audio via the Sam broadcasting encoders and simply edit in GoldWave. Is this advisable or would it be better to simply do everything in an audio editing package? Danny On 3/10/15, Tina Wilson wrote: > Hello Danny, > > In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim > Snowberger at: > > snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope this > helps. > > Tina > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. > > I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most > commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather > than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a pop > shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display and > mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. > > Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I used > SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, I think > GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please advise on how to > obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. > > Many thanks, Danny > > > > On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: >> >> You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the >> EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. >> >> If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's >> still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. >> >> Also look at the type of mike your using. >> >> Jamie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Danny Miles >> Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks >> >> Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. >> >> I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content >> using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the >> presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display >> as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). >> >> I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have >> any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I >> currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues >> described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any >> advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can >> anybody please make any other suggestions? >> >> Many thanks, Danny >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> > > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
You can get the JFW scripts written by Jim Snowbarger at http://www.snowmanradio.com Dave
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hello Danny, In order to receive the scripts for Sound Forge, send an email to Jim Snowberger at: snow...@snowmanradio.com. He charges $30, and he's a great guy. Hope this helps. Tina -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:15 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. Many thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: > > You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the > EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. > > If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's > still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. > > Also look at the type of mike your using. > > Jamie > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Danny Miles > Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. > > I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content > using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the > presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display > as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). > > I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have > any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I > currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues > described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any > advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can > anybody please make any other suggestions? > > Many thanks, Danny > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hi Jamie. Thanks for your message. I'm using a Shure SM58, which I understand to be one of the most commonly-used all-purpose vocal mics. I plug my mic into a mixer rather than using a USB mic ... do you have any better suggestions? I do use a pop shield, so I don't have issues with plosives, but the Braille display and mouth noises seem more evident than I expected. Also, I wasn't aware that there were Jaws scripts for Sound Forge. I used SF before I started with GoldWave many years ago and, generally, I think GoldWave works just as well. However, if you can please advise on how to obtain the scripts for SF it might be worth contemplating. Many thanks, Danny On 3/10/15, Jamie Kelly wrote: > > You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the EQ, > shift and pitch sliders Etc. > > If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's still > available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. > > Also look at the type of mike your using. > > Jamie > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny > Miles > Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks > > Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. > > I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content > using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the > presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display > as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). > > I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have > any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I > currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues > described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any > advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can > anybody please make any other suggestions? > > Many thanks, Danny > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > >
Re: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Greetings, Danny, I do not find the GoldWave functions either too aggressive or weak, true, I don't have braille display clicks but mouth noises? yes. I can remove mouth noises from infront of a word by setting the zoom ratio ad 0.002300 and I assume you have the scrub feature enabled? I can't see how you can edit GW files if not. In case you are unaware of this, go into play properties with f11, tab past the wind and rewind settings to an edit box which, by default, is set to 0.000 this is the scrub function. I use 0.150 as my value and this is adequate for all editting I have so far performed. This enables you to hear 0.15ths of any sound when moving arrows or markers.
RE: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
You could try Sound Forge and with the Jaws scripts you can use the EQ, shift and pitch sliders Etc. If you have some vision, Adobe Audition is very good also if it's still available. Both these programs cost around $300 to $400 each. Also look at the type of mike your using. Jamie -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Danny Miles Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:09 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can anybody please make any other suggestions? Many thanks, Danny --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Editing Mouth Noise and Braille Display Clicks
Hello everyone. I wonder if anybody can please advise. I currently record using a broadcasting encoder and edit my content using GoldWave. However, I'm having significant issues with the presence of mouth clicks and the constant sounds of my Braille display as I move from line to line (or as the cursor flashes). I find that GoldWave's editing options are generally too weak to have any impact or too aggressive to leave a high-quality recording. I currently have Depopper; could this be used to remove the issues described above (and also the hiss of room ambience)? If so, any advice on particular settings would be appreciated. If not, can anybody please make any other suggestions? Many thanks, Danny
