IPODS

[Michael Babcock]

OK, SOMEONE SAID THEY HAD FREE ITUNES SCRIPTS, COULD THAT PERSON SEND ME THERE 
WEB SITE AGAIN; I LOST IT.
I'M GOING TO BE BUYING AN IPOD TODAY, COULD SOMEONE TELL ME, CAN I, AS A 
COMPLETELY BLIND PERSON, USE AN IPOD NANO?
THANKS! AND IF THE NANO ISN'T ACCESSIBLE AT ALL, WHAT CAN I USE THAT IS IN THE 
IPOD FAMILY! AND HOW BIG IS IT/ THANKS
i'm broadcasting my love to jessica at
http://blindyradio.dyndns.info:8000
tune in, and listen!
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ipods

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,
Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
I'm thinking of getting one.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jed

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[Sean Waiting]

Dear Members

I am regestered as blind and looking for an accessable ipod for my self which 
ipod are accessable please.

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Re: ipods

[Doc]

I have the ipod shuffle and I access it with Redchair's anapod explorer.
**
%TAG%

WRIGHTJAMS

I bet somewhere at home you still have those stacks of wax!  Those tunes 
that bring back special memories.  You?ve looked near and far but not all 
are available on cd.  What are you to do?

Let wrightjams convert those LPs and cassettes for you.  Wright jams can 
take those 33s and 45s and recreate them for you on cd in the best quality 
possible.

Pricing:
LPS???.$15.00
45S???.$15.00 FOR A GROUP OF 15
Cassetttes..
   Prerecorded $15.00
home made  $20.00
Bulk rate:
5% off the total charge for every five LP's or cassettes.

Contact doc wright
email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to arrange an appointment.


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Subject: ipods


Hey guys,
Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
I'm thinking of getting one.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jed

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Re: ipods

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jed,
I have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod from Redchair Software to run it.
The program will cost you $20.00 for the Shuffle, and $30.00 for the 
universal that will run all Ipods.
I think that any other except the Shuffle will work with Rockbox.
Arthur Barney
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: ipods


> Hey guys,
> Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
> I'm thinking of getting one.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
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RE: ipods

[Jed Barton]

Any idea where to get this software?
How does it work do you install the software on the ipod or what?

Thanks,
Jed

-Original Message-
From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:00 AM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: ipods


Hi Jed,
I have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod from Redchair Software to run it.
The program will cost you $20.00 for the Shuffle, and $30.00 for the 
universal that will run all Ipods.
I think that any other except the Shuffle will work with Rockbox. Arthur
Barney
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: ipods


> Hey guys,
> Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
> I'm thinking of getting one.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Re: ipods

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jed,
it installs on your computer rather than the Ipod.
Hear is the site.
http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/
Arthur Barney
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From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: ipods


> Any idea where to get this software?
> How does it work do you install the software on the ipod or what?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:00 AM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: ipods
>
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod from Redchair Software to run it.
> The program will cost you $20.00 for the Shuffle, and $30.00 for the
> universal that will run all Ipods.
> I think that any other except the Shuffle will work with Rockbox. Arthur
> Barney
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:26 AM
> Subject: ipods
>
>
>> Hey guys,
>> Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
>> I'm thinking of getting one.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
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Re: ipods

[Doc]

redchair  software has the program.  as far as the ipod shuffle the software 
is installed on the pc.
**
%TAG%

WRIGHTJAMS

I bet somewhere at home you still have those stacks of wax!  Those tunes 
that bring back special memories.  You?ve looked near and far but not all 
are available on cd.  What are you to do?

Let wrightjams convert those LPs and cassettes for you.  Wright jams can 
take those 33s and 45s and recreate them for you on cd in the best quality 
possible.

Pricing:
LPS???.$15.00
45S???.$15.00 FOR A GROUP OF 15
Cassetttes..
   Prerecorded $15.00
home made  $20.00
Bulk rate:
5% off the total charge for every five LP's or cassettes.

Contact doc wright
email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to arrange an appointment.


robert Doc Wright
http://www.wrightplaceinc.net
skype: talmidim
msn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: ipods


Any idea where to get this software?
How does it work do you install the software on the ipod or what?

Thanks,
Jed

-Original Message-
From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:00 AM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: ipods


Hi Jed,
I have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod from Redchair Software to run it.
The program will cost you $20.00 for the Shuffle, and $30.00 for the
universal that will run all Ipods.
I think that any other except the Shuffle will work with Rockbox. Arthur
Barney
- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: ipods


> Hey guys,
> Anyone using an ipod?  Any of them accessible?
> I'm thinking of getting one.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
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accessible ipods

[Jed Barton]

Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
navigate it?

Thanks,
Jed


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[Ketan Kothari]

Which Ipod is accessible or could be made accessible?  Please help.  Thank you.
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Re: ipods

[Janelle Vacanti]

The IPod Shuffle is accessible. 
Here is a link to a demonstration podcast on this device. 
http://www.hartgen.org/shuffle.mp3
The IPod Nano 4th Generation is also accessible, but I can't find the link to 
the podcast. However, I do have the mp3 file of it and I also own one. If you 
want the mp3 file, just tell me and I can send it to you off list as an 
attachment. 

 Sean Waiting  wrote: 
> Dear Members
> 
> I am regestered as blind and looking for an accessable ipod for my self which 
> ipod are accessable please.
> 
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Re: ipods

[Steve Matzura]

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:27:57 +0100, you wrote:

>I am regestered as blind ...

Registered as blind?  With whom?  Or what?  This sounds like a UK
thing, as I've heard folk from there talk about being "registered
blind" in the past, but it means nothing when deciding what player you
want to use or buy.

In terms of accessibility, that's a good question with more than one
answer, because in the iPod world, accessibility has different
meanings to different people with different needs--not all the devices
have the same level or type of accessibility.

May I cordially invite you to subscribe to a list which would better
assist you in getting answers to your question you can use--not that
there's anything wrong with this list, but the list I would recommend
to you has your topic of interest as its main topic.  Use this link to
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Re: accessible ipods

[Chris Skarstad]

Hi Jed
I would definitely go for the second generation iPod shuffle, available for 
around about $79, and definitely give Anapod Explorer, 
http://www.redchairsoftware.com
a look. It's only $20, and is way way better than iTunes, because it actually 
works with your screenreader without jumping through all kinds of hoops.  Plus 
you won't have to put out a second mortgage on your house to buy scripts to 
make it work for you .


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To: 
Subject: accessible ipods

> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
> navigate it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
> 
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RE: accessible ipods

[Jed Barton]

How many gigs does this ipod come with?
So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
itself or what?

Thanks,
Jed 

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From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:08 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed
I would definitely go for the second generation iPod shuffle, available for
around about $79, and definitely give Anapod Explorer,
http://www.redchairsoftware.com a look. It's only $20, and is way way better
than iTunes, because it actually works with your screenreader without
jumping through all kinds of hoops.  Plus you won't have to put out a second
mortgage on your house to buy scripts to make it work for you .


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To: 
Subject: accessible ipods

> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to 
> navigate it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
> 
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Re: accessible ipods

[Chris Skarstad]

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash 
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the software to 
transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just like you 
would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The software has a lot of 
other features much too numerous to mention here. the best thing you can do is 
just visit the website and read up on what it can and can't do. and that'll 
answer all the questions you have, and might answer a few you didn't know you 
were going to ask.

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RE: accessible ipods

[Jed Barton]

Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small. 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:09 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod 
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The software
has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
thing you can do is just visit the website and read up on what it can and
can't do. and that'll answer all the questions you have, and might answer a
few you didn't know you were going to ask.

> 

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RE: accessible ipods

[Chris Gilland]

My word, if all you have is a Shuffle, then, yeah, perhaps anapod is the way
to go, but otherwise, Heck, I'd get Rockbox in a heart beat.


Chris.



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Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small.

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From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:09 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The software
has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
thing you can do is just visit the website and read up on what it can and
can't do. and that'll answer all the questions you have, and might answer a
few you didn't know you were going to ask.

>

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Re: accessible ipods

[Dane Trethowan]

Yeah, but the question is, can you easily get an Iriver these days?

On 14/12/2006, at 5:50 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

My word, if all you have is a Shuffle, then, yeah, perhaps anapod is  
the way
to go, but otherwise, Heck, I'd get Rockbox in a heart beat.


Chris.



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Subject: RE: accessible ipods


Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:09 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the  
software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The  
software
has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
thing you can do is just visit the website and read up on what it can  
and
can't do. and that'll answer all the questions you have, and might  
answer a
few you didn't know you were going to ask.

>

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RE: accessible ipods

[Jed Barton]

Tell me about rockbox, I'm not familiar with it. 

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:51 AM
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Subject: RE: accessible ipods

My word, if all you have is a Shuffle, then, yeah, perhaps anapod is the way
to go, but otherwise, Heck, I'd get Rockbox in a heart beat.


Chris.



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Subject: RE: accessible ipods


Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:09 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod 
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The software
has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
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can't do. and that'll answer all the questions you have, and might answer a
few you didn't know you were going to ask.

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Re: accessible ipods

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Hi Jed,
if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
you have to have ITunes with the scripts,
or Anapod.
The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can 
use Rockbox.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: accessible ipods


> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
> navigate it?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?

Thanks,
Jed 

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed,
if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
use Rockbox.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: accessible ipods


> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to 
> navigate it?
>
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> Jed
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[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jed,
I have a Ipod Shuffle,
so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate the 
menus very well.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
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> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
> use Rockbox.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
> Subject: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>> navigate it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
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[Jed Barton]

OK, so does this mean you can basicly get any ipod and it'll work with
rockbox?

Thanks,
Jed 

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:52 PM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed,
I have a Ipod Shuffle,
so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate the
menus very well.
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From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can 
> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you 
> can use Rockbox.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
> Subject: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to 
>> navigate it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
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[doc]

i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to upload
files to it.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi Jed,
I have a Ipod Shuffle,
so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate the
menus very well.
- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
> use Rockbox.
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
> Subject: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
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>>
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[Jed Barton]

Do they make the shuffle in anything bigger than 1 gig? 

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i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to upload
files to it.
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To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi Jed,
I have a Ipod Shuffle,
so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate the
menus very well.
- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can 
> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you 
> can use Rockbox.
> - Original Message -----
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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
> Subject: accessible ipods
>
>
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>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to 
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>>
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[Sarah]

How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
> navigate the menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
> 
> 
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>> you can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[Dane Trethowan]

the shuffle doesn't have a screen.

On 15/12/2006, at 7:37 AM, Sarah wrote:

How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
> navigate the menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>> you can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
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Re: accessible ipods

[Paul Oeser]

There is no screen to see.  You navigate with 1 round button.  It can  
go up, down, left, right and press in.  You press the right edge to  
go forward the left edge to go backwards in the program the top edge  
to turn up volume the bottom edge to turn down volume and press in to  
play or stop.  A 3 way switch on the back of the iPod goes from off,  
to shuffle to standard play.
On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Sarah wrote:

> How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
>> Hi Jed,
>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
>> navigate the menus very well.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>>> you can use Rockbox.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>>> navigate it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
>>>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[doc]

i'm not sure.  I just got mine this year from audible.  it is only 512mb.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


Do they make the shuffle in anything bigger than 1 gig?

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i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to upload
files to it.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi Jed,
I have a Ipod Shuffle,
so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate the
menus very well.
- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
> can use Rockbox.
> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
> Subject: accessible ipods
>
>
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>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>> navigate it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[doc]

the shuffle does not have a screen.  you have a pause and play button with a
ring around it to adjust volume up and down and track forward and back.
there is a slide switch on the back that moves from off, normal and shuffle.
- Original Message -
From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
> navigate the menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>> you can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
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RE: accessible ipods

[Jed Barton]

OK, so how do you actually load the ipod? 

-Original Message-
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To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: accessible ipods

the shuffle does not have a screen.  you have a pause and play button with a
ring around it to adjust volume up and down and track forward and back.
there is a slide switch on the back that moves from off, normal and shuffle.
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To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can 
> navigate the menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can 
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you 
>> can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to 
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[Sarah]

Hmm intresting. I'll have to check it out. one gb is not much but hopefully 
they can upgrade it at some point.


> There is no screen to see.  You navigate with 1 round button.  It can
> go up, down, left, right and press in.  You press the right edge to
> go forward the left edge to go backwards in the program the top edge
> to turn up volume the bottom edge to turn down volume and press in to
> play or stop.  A 3 way switch on the back of the iPod goes from off,
> to shuffle to standard play.
> On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
>> How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
>>> navigate the menus very well.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>>>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jed,
>>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>>>> you can use Rockbox.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>>>> navigate it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jed
>>>>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[Dane Trethowan]

Depends what you want I suppose, 250 sogns or thereabouts may be  
enough for some people whereas people may think that 10,000 songs or  
thereabouts that my Iriver holds is just far too much. I think the  
Ipod Nano is 8 Gig of memory so that's about 2,000 songs.

On 14/12/2006, at 11:28 AM, Jed Barton wrote:

Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small.

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Subject: Re: accessible ipods

Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the  
software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The  
software
has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
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Re: accessible ipods

[Dane Trethowan]

Of course you could get the 80 gig Ipod if you wanted one.

On 14/12/2006, at 11:28 AM, Jed Barton wrote:

Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
That seems kind of small.

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Hi Jed:

You asked:

> How many gigs does this ipod come with?
the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.


> So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> itself or what?
You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the  
software
to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The  
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has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
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Re: accessible ipods

[Paul Oeser]

I mainly use mine for books downloaded from audible.com.  I got mine in 2005.
At 03:54 PM 12/14/2006, you wrote:
>Depends what you want I suppose, 250 sogns or thereabouts may be
>enough for some people whereas people may think that 10,000 songs or
>thereabouts that my Iriver holds is just far too much. I think the
>Ipod Nano is 8 Gig of memory so that's about 2,000 songs.
>
>On 14/12/2006, at 11:28 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
>
>Can you get bigger ipods of that series?
>That seems kind of small.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 7:09 PM
>To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
>Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>Hi Jed:
>
>You asked:
>
> > How many gigs does this ipod come with?
>the second generation iPod shuffles typically come with one gig of flash
>memory. which will give you about 250 songs give or take.
>
>
> > So how does this software work, do you actually install it on the ipod
> > itself or what?
>You install Anapod explorer on your computer, and then you use the
>software
>to transfer songs to your iPod via simple copy and paste operations just
>like you would in windows explorer.  It's very easy to use.  The
>software
>has a lot of other features much too numerous to mention here. the best
>thing you can do is just visit the website and read up on what it can
>and
>can't do. and that'll answer all the questions you have, and might
>answer a
>few you didn't know you were going to ask.
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Re: accessible ipods

[Doc]

the software I mention, anapod shuffle explorer is made by redchair.   It 
allows me to copy and paste to the ipod.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


OK, so how do you actually load the ipod?

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: accessible ipods

the shuffle does not have a screen.  you have a pause and play button with a
ring around it to adjust volume up and down and track forward and back.
there is a slide switch on the back that moves from off, normal and shuffle.
- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


How do uu nivagae a shuffel if you can't see the screen then? Thanks.
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
> navigate the menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>> can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
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Re: accessible ipods

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jed,
the only one I think that won't work with Rockbox, is the Ipod Shuffle.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> OK, so does this mean you can basicly get any ipod and it'll work with
> rockbox?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate 
> the
> menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>> can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
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[Arthur Barney]

Hi Jed,
no they don't.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:22 PM
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> Do they make the shuffle in anything bigger than 1 gig?
>
> -Original Message-
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> i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to 
> upload
> files to it.
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
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>
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate 
> the
> menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>> can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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Hi Doc.
I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM
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>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to 
>upload
> files to it.
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate 
> the
> menus very well.
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
>> use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
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>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
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>>> Jed
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Hmmm, as I said, I'm not an expert but I think you'll find only a  
couple of Ipods work with Rockbox,
http://www.rockbox.org gives you a whole list of what does and  
doesn't work.

On 15/12/2006, at 9:48 AM, Arthur Barney wrote:

Hi Jed,
the only one I think that won't work with Rockbox, is the Ipod Shuffle.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


> OK, so does this mean you can basicly get any ipod and it'll work with
> rockbox?
>
> Thanks,
> Jed
>
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>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can  
> navigate
> the
> menus very well.
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>> can use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
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Re: accessible ipods

[Keith Gillard]

Hi,

I've been watching this thread on and off and I don't know if the link to 
the blind IPOD Portal has been posted or not.  If you have an IPOD I like 
the little rebuild.exe tool that you store on your player.  this little tool 
is handy for adding tunes without Itunes.  Here's the link to the portal:
http://www.hartgen.org/blindipod.html


Enjoy...Keith

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:50 PM
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Hi Doc.
I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
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>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>upload
> files to it.
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate
> the
> menus very well.
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
>> use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
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Re: accessible ipods

[Sarah]

Darn! Well If I were going ot get one I'd probably use it for books and 
podcasts and lectures and stuff.

> Hi Jed,
> no they don't.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:22 PM
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>
>
>> Do they make the shuffle in anything bigger than 1 gig?
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:16 PM
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>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
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>> i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>> upload
>> files to it.
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>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can
>> navigate the
>> menus very well.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can
>>> you access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or
>>> you can use Rockbox.
>>> - Original Message -
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>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>>> navigate it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
>>>>
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RE: accessible ipods

[Joy Tilton]

A couple questions.  Does the IPod have a resume feature, and can you also
scan through a file, or does the rewind and fastforward go only track by
track?


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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 01:06
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi,

I've been watching this thread on and off and I don't know if the link to
the blind IPOD Portal has been posted or not.  If you have an IPOD I like
the little rebuild.exe tool that you store on your player.  this little tool
is handy for adding tunes without Itunes.  Here's the link to the portal:
http://www.hartgen.org/blindipod.html


Enjoy...Keith

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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi Doc.
I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: accessible ipods


>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>upload
> files to it.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi Jed,
> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate
> the
> menus very well.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you can
>> use Rockbox.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>> navigate it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
>>>
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[Arthur Barney]

Hi Joy,
you can through a file.

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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: accessible ipods


>A couple questions.  Does the IPod have a resume feature, and can you also
> scan through a file, or does the rewind and fastforward go only track by
> track?
>
>
> Joy C Tilton
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Gillard
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 01:06
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been watching this thread on and off and I don't know if the link to
> the blind IPOD Portal has been posted or not.  If you have an IPOD I like
> the little rebuild.exe tool that you store on your player.  this little 
> tool
> is handy for adding tunes without Itunes.  Here's the link to the portal:
> http://www.hartgen.org/blindipod.html
>
>
> Enjoy...Keith
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi Doc.
> I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
> - Original Message -
> From: "doc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
>>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>>upload
>> files to it.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate
>> the
>> menus very well.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you 
>>> can
>>> use Rockbox.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>>> navigate it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: accessible ipods

[Joy Tilton]

Okay, I can what, scan?  Furthermore, does this thing resume from where one
left off?  I like using portables to read books, that's why I'm asking.


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Subject: Re: accessible ipods


Hi Joy,
you can through a file.

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Subject: RE: accessible ipods


>A couple questions.  Does the IPod have a resume feature, and can you also
> scan through a file, or does the rewind and fastforward go only track by
> track?
>
>
> Joy C Tilton
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Gillard
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 01:06
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been watching this thread on and off and I don't know if the link to
> the blind IPOD Portal has been posted or not.  If you have an IPOD I like
> the little rebuild.exe tool that you store on your player.  this little
> tool
> is handy for adding tunes without Itunes.  Here's the link to the portal:
> http://www.hartgen.org/blindipod.html
>
>
> Enjoy...Keith
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
> Hi Doc.
> I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
> - Original Message -
> From: "doc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>
>
>>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>>upload
>> files to it.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>> Hi Jed,
>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate
>> the
>> menus very well.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jed
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>>> can
>>> use Rockbox.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alright guys, about to jump in to the ipod thing.
>>>> I saw a message from someone not tolong ago.
>>>> What should I get for an ipod, and what software should I use to
>>>> navigate it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
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Re: accessible ipods

[Arthur Barney]

Hi Joy,
yes it resumes from you left off.
Arthur Barney
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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:17 PM
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> Okay, I can what, scan?  Furthermore, does this thing resume from where 
> one
> left off?  I like using portables to read books, that's why I'm asking.
>
>
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>
>
> Hi Joy,
> you can through a file.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joy Tilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:17 PM
> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>
>
>>A couple questions.  Does the IPod have a resume feature, and can you also
>> scan through a file, or does the rewind and fastforward go only track by
>> track?
>>
>>
>> Joy C Tilton
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>>
>> When in doubt, you have a mouth!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Gillard
>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 01:06
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been watching this thread on and off and I don't know if the link to
>> the blind IPOD Portal has been posted or not.  If you have an IPOD I like
>> the little rebuild.exe tool that you store on your player.  this little
>> tool
>> is handy for adding tunes without Itunes.  Here's the link to the portal:
>> http://www.hartgen.org/blindipod.html
>>
>>
>> Enjoy...Keith
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>> Hi Doc.
>> I too have an Ipod Shuffle, and use Anapod.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "doc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>
>>
>>>i to have an ipod shuffle and use a program called anapod explorer to
>>>upload
>>> files to it.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Arthur Barney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jed,
>>> I have a Ipod Shuffle,
>>> so I can't tell you much about Rockbox, but I here that you can navigate
>>> the
>>> menus very well.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: RE: accessible ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tell me a little more about rockbox.  How does it work?  I mean can you
>>>> access the mp3s while using the ipod, is it easy to navigate?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jed
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Arthur Barney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:48 PM
>>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>>> Subject: Re: accessible ipods
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jed,
>>>> if you are using a Ipod Shuffle,
>>>> you have to have ITunes with the scripts, or Anapod.
>>>> The Ipod Shuffle only comes in 1gig.
>>>> I you use any other Ipod, you can use ITunes with the scripts, or you
>>>> can
>>>> use Rockbox.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Jed Barton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:29 PM
>>>> Subject: accessible ipods
>>>>
>>>&g

Re: accessible Ipods

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're willing to replace the iPod's firmware with an open source 
alternative, you should check out rockbox.org. There you'll find all of 
the players currently supported by Rockbox.

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> you.
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Re: accessible Ipods

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I absolutely love rockbox. I have a 30 gb ipod video and, while rockbox 
doesn't run as long as the orriginal firmware, it speaks song names to you, 
and is really a good sounding system. However, newer ipods aren't supported; 
you'll have to look for an ipod video, nano, etc.


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>
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>> Thank you.
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Re: accessible Ipods

[Steve Matzura]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:27:13 -0600, you wrote:

>I absolutely love rockbox. I have a 30 gb ipod video and, while rockbox 
>doesn't run as long as the orriginal firmware, it speaks song names to you, 
>and is really a good sounding system. However, newer ipods aren't supported; 
>you'll have to look for an ipod video, nano, etc.

Hold on, you just wrote two things that contradict each other, or my
English as a first language ain't what it oughta be.

You said:

>doesn't run as long as the orriginal firmware, ...

Did you possibly mean doesn't run as well as the original firmware? Or
do you mean that after some point the Rockbox firmware stop working?

Second, you wrote:

>However, newer ipods aren't supported; 

You then said:

>you'll have to look for an ipod video, nano, etc.

You wouldn't consider those "new"?


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Re: accessible Ipods

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not the original poster, but here's how I interpreted his statements.

By "doesn't run as long as the original firmware", I assume he meant 
that the battery didn't last as long with Rockbox as it did with the 
original firmware. There has been some work recently on Rockbox and 
battery usage, so this may have gotten better or be getting better.

"However, newer ipods aren't supported; you'll have to look for an ipod 
video, nano, etc." I think is still pretty clear. Even if the iPod 
Video, Nano are considered new, that doesn't mean that the "newer" 
iPod's are supported. Here's what it says on the Rockbox.org site:

• Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation 
iPod Nano
(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)

Steve Matzura wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:27:13 -0600, you wrote:
>
>   
>> I absolutely love rockbox. I have a 30 gb ipod video and, while rockbox 
>> doesn't run as long as the orriginal firmware, it speaks song names to you, 
>> and is really a good sounding system. However, newer ipods aren't supported; 
>> you'll have to look for an ipod video, nano, etc.
>> 
>
> Hold on, you just wrote two things that contradict each other, or my
> English as a first language ain't what it oughta be.
>
> You said:
>
>   
>> doesn't run as long as the orriginal firmware, ...
>> 
>
> Did you possibly mean doesn't run as well as the original firmware? Or
> do you mean that after some point the Rockbox firmware stop working?
>
> Second, you wrote:
>
>   
>> However, newer ipods aren't supported; 
>> 
>
> You then said:
>
>   
>> you'll have to look for an ipod video, nano, etc.
>> 
>
> You wouldn't consider those "new"?
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Re: accessible Ipods

[Steve Matzura]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:00:29 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm not the original poster, but here's how I interpreted his statements.
>
>By "doesn't run as long as the original firmware", I assume he meant 
>that the battery didn't last as long with Rockbox as it did with the 
>original firmware. There has been some work recently on Rockbox and 
>battery usage, so this may have gotten better or be getting better.

What??? Where on Earth did you get that?  The phrase "battery life"
was never mentioned.

>"However, newer ipods aren't supported; you'll have to look for an ipod 
>video, nano, etc." I think is still pretty clear. Even if the iPod 
>Video, Nano are considered new, that doesn't mean that the "newer" 
>iPod's are supported. Here's what it says on the Rockbox.org site:
>
>• Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation 
>iPod Nano
>(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)

The Shuffle is by no means new any more.  OK, I'll give you half a
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Making Ipods talk

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi everyone!

Other list members may wish to check this.  A friend was telling me
about some device that Cobolt Speech Systems market which (when
connected to the docking port of an IPOD) will speak its menus,
playlists and so forth through a pair of headphones connected to the
device, if this is indeed the case then that's brilliant.


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Ipods and MP3's:

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Fw: Why Ipods suck

[Sarai D. Bucciarelli]

Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:18 AM
SuI know a lot of people are asking about the IPods. Check out this 
article.bject: OT: Why Ipods suck


In the unfortunately increasingly instances when you have to explain to
someone the many reasons not to buy and iPod, this page is a great help.

http://www.quut.com/software/podutil/

This is obstensibly a product review of a utility that fixes some of
Apple's intentional screwups.  It is, in fact, a mini-compilation of
reasons why friends don't let friends iPod!

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Ipods and MP3 players?

[Lauren]

Hi,

I'm relatively new and wonder is there a difference between an Ipod and a MP3 
player? 

Which ones are accessible by a totally blind person? Thanks. 

Sincerely,

Lauren 

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A Question About Ipods

[DJ DOCTOR P]

Hello List Members,
I am thinking about getting an ipod.
The one that I have my mind sat on, is the Apple Nano 8 gig.
My question is, how user friendly is  the Apple Nano for blind people?
And also, would Rock Box make it more user friendly for me?
Thanks in advance.
My best regards.
  John.

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Re: Making Ipods talk

[Jeff Samco]

I seem to recall a couple days ago that Brian Hartgen posted an email 
saying he had purchased one of these and would be reviewing it fairly soon.
Jeff

At 03:59 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>Hi everyone!
>
>Other list members may wish to check this.  A friend was telling me
>about some device that Cobolt Speech Systems market which (when
>connected to the docking port of an IPOD) will speak its menus,
>playlists and so forth through a pair of headphones connected to the
>device, if this is indeed the case then that's brilliant.
>
>
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Re: Making Ipods talk

[anthony.campbell]

yes he did. it is called the i tel. their is an podcasr on the blocks and 
podcasr page of tandt consultl

hth
anthony

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>I seem to recall a couple days ago that Brian Hartgen posted an email
> saying he had purchased one of these and would be reviewing it fairly 
> soon.
> Jeff
>
> At 03:59 PM 8/24/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi everyone!
>>
>>Other list members may wish to check this.  A friend was telling me
>>about some device that Cobolt Speech Systems market which (when
>>connected to the docking port of an IPOD) will speak its menus,
>>playlists and so forth through a pair of headphones connected to the
>>device, if this is indeed the case then that's brilliant.
>>
>>
>>--
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Ipods and MP3 files

[Walter]

Hi to all.  I have never owned an apple product and as far as computers are
concerned I've always worked with Windows.  I am however contemplating
purchasing an Ipod classic 160gig mp3 player.  Since I'm unfamiliar with
apple products I have a few questions. If I purchased an Ipod and wished to
load it with MP3 music files from my own collection is it a simple matter of
copy and paste?  Does the Ipod show up on my PC as a removable drive?  If
this is not the case must I use some sort of conversion tool to accomplish
this such as an Itunes file transfer manager and if so, how accessible is
it, would I need Jaws scripts.  Can I transfer music onto the player and
delete files without any connection with Itunes.? I don't want to spend a
lot of money and find I am unable to simply transfer files to the Ipod.
Your input will be much appreciated.  Walter.


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Re: Ipods and MP3's:

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I don't think the whole message got through, but if it has something 
to do with iPods playing standard mp3s, the answer is yes.


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Re: Ipods and MP3 players?

[Jeffrey Dunn]

Hi Lauren:

An Ipod is an Apple Branded MP3 player,  the  major difference prior 
to  the discussion of accessibility is the ability to play the aac 
formated music on Itunes.  AAC is the Apple proprietary format 
for  Ipods, though they will play and or convert to mp3 format.
With Rock Box,  older Ipods can be made  to speak and give 
onesome usage   of  talking menus.

Mp3 players are   varied in brand and   features.

Now if you're looking for accessibility, you can   find   a great 
number of folks   getting Zen Stones from Creative as they 
are  rather in expensive.  For the  ultimate in accessibility  you 
can find  used Bookports out there from APH, or the   Victer Reader 
Stream from Humanware.

Reviews of  many  players can be found on  www.blindcooltech.com

I am very pleased with  my Victer Reader Stream.  It plays  multiple 
formats, it records quite well,  all the features  speak   as 
they  had blind users in mind for the usage.
I forsee it having  a long life, as  one can purchase  extra  memory 
cards which seem to be increasing in  capacity and  decreasing in price.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Ipods and MP3 players?

[Valiant8086 (on laptop)]

Hi.
Ipods are tougher to get to use, depending on which ones you buy. Ipods and 
mp3 players are the same thing, or rather, an Ipod is an mp3 player. I have 
the Zen stone 2gb plus. I have like 50 podcasts on it with 0.6gb free still 
yet.
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>
> I'm relatively new and wonder is there a difference between an Ipod and a 
> MP3 player?
>
> Which ones are accessible by a totally blind person? Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: Ipods and MP3 players?

[Lauren]

Can you use the ipod all by yourself if you have no viision? Where did you 
buy it from? Do you need extra software for accessibility?

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> Hi.
> Ipods are tougher to get to use, depending on which ones you buy. Ipods 
> and
> mp3 players are the same thing, or rather, an Ipod is an mp3 player. I 
> have
> the Zen stone 2gb plus. I have like 50 podcasts on it with 0.6gb free 
> still
> yet.
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>> Hi,
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>> I'm relatively new and wonder is there a difference between an Ipod and a
>> MP3 player?
>>
>> Which ones are accessible by a totally blind person? Thanks.
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Re: Ipods and MP3 players?

[abarney]

You do need other software to run it.
You need Rock Box, or Anapod.
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:52 AM
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> Can you use the ipod all by yourself if you have no viision? Where did you
> buy it from? Do you need extra software for accessibility?
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Ipods and MP3 players?
>
>
>> Hi.
>> Ipods are tougher to get to use, depending on which ones you buy. Ipods
>> and
>> mp3 players are the same thing, or rather, an Ipod is an mp3 player. I
>> have
>> the Zen stone 2gb plus. I have like 50 podcasts on it with 0.6gb free
>> still
>> yet.
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>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Ipods and MP3 players?
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm relatively new and wonder is there a difference between an Ipod and 
>>> a
>>> MP3 player?
>>>
>>> Which ones are accessible by a totally blind person? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lauren
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Re: A Question About Ipods

[constantine (on laptop)]

Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod video 
30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going into 
the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices can 
be found at:
http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
They kater to us blind folks.
You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them, 
except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery 
status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings. You 
get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically is 
like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since the 
nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and it 
wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, as 
well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade in 
and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips painlessly 
with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into the 
pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as voice 
directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you 
when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents 
(for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I think 
the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will convert 
the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, o, g, 
very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this 
might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free and 
it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you 
have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA, 
(nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.


hth!


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> Hello List Members,
> I am thinking about getting an ipod.
> The one that I have my mind sat on, is the Apple Nano 8 gig.
> My question is, how user friendly is  the Apple Nano for blind people?
> And also, would Rock Box make it more user friendly for me?
> Thanks in advance.
> My best regards.
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Re: A Question About Ipods

[Valiant8086 (on laptop)]

Hi.
As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by 
rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
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> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod video
> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going into
> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices 
> can
> be found at:
> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
> They kater to us blind folks.
> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings. 
> You
> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically is
> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since the
> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and 
> it
> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, as
> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade 
> in
> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips painlessly
> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into the
> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as voice
> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I think
> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will 
> convert
> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, o, 
> g,
> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free 
> and
> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>
>
> hth!
>
>
> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>
> contact details:
>
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skype: the_conman283
>
> system details:
> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, 
> Fujitsu
> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
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> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:30 PM
> Subject: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>> Hello List Members,
>> I am thinking about getting an ipod.
>> The one that I have my mind sat on, is the Apple Nano 8 gig.
>> My question is, how user friendly is  the Apple Nano for blind people?
>> And also, would Rock Box make it more user friendly for me?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> My best regards.
>>  John.
>>
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Re: A Question About Ipods

[DJ DOCTOR P]

High Valiant8086 on laptop,
Which one is?
I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks.
  John.
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To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods


> Hi.
> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod 
>> video
>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going into
>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>> can
>> be found at:
>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>> They kater to us blind folks.
>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>> You
>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically 
>> is
>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since 
>> the
>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>> it
>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, 
>> as
>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>> in
>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips 
>> painlessly
>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into the
>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as voice
>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I think
>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>> convert
>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, o,
>> g,
>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>> and
>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>>
>>
>> hth!
>>
>>
>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>
>> contact details:
>>
>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> skype: the_conman283
>>
>> system details:
>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
>> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram,
>> Fujitsu
>> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:30 PM
>> Subject: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>> Hello List Members,
>>> I am thinking about getting an ipod.
>>> The one that I have my mind sat on, is the Apple Nano 8 gig.
>>> My question is, how user friendly is  the Apple Nano for blind people?
>>> And also, would Rock Box make it more user friendly for me?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> My best regards.
>>>  John.
>>>
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Re: A Question About Ipods

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, there's no need to guess, just go to rockbox.org and right on the 
front page it says the following with respect to supported players:

• Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation 
iPod Nano
(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)

I don't use the Nano myself, but based on this I think there are at 
least some versions of the Nano that are supported by rockbox. Remember 
that Rockbox is a moving target, so to know which players are supported, 
go to the source and check the Rockbox web site.

Rockbox does support some lossless (uncompressed) formats. Again, off 
the Rockbox page at WhyRockbox, 
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox, it says:

Support for over 15 Sound Codecs, including OGG and FLAC MP3 and WAV.

Obviously, FLAC and WAV are lossless formats. I assume most of the 
harddrive based players will support lossless formats, but best to check 
if you're going to use the native firmware. The Zen Stone, which is not 
a hard drive based player, doesn't support any lossless formats. I 
believe the Sansa does support lossless formats, but like I said, if 
you're not going to use Rockbox, best to check with the manufacturer's 
documentation.

Good luck!

DJ DOCTOR P wrote:
> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
> Which one is?
> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>   John.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>   
>> Hi.
>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
>> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod 
>>> video
>>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going into
>>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>>> can
>>> be found at:
>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>>> You
>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically 
>>> is
>>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since 
>>> the
>>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>>> it
>>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, 
>>> as
>>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>>> in
>>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips 
>>> painlessly
>>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into the
>>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as voice
>>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I think
>>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>>> convert
>>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, o,
>>> g,
>>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>>> and
>>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>>>
>>>
>>> hth!
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>>
>>> contact details:
>>>
>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> skype: the_conman283
>>&

Re: A Question About Ipods

[constantine (on laptop)]

THe ipod video is. I'm positive the ipod photo can- check on rockbox 
website. It lists all of them.

Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!

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From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods


> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
> Which one is?
> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>  John.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>> Hi.
>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
>> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod
>>> video
>>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going 
>>> into
>>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>>> can
>>> be found at:
>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>>> You
>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically
>>> is
>>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since
>>> the
>>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>>> it
>>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all,
>>> as
>>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>>> in
>>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>> painlessly
>>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into 
>>> the
>>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as 
>>> voice
>>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I 
>>> think
>>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>>> convert
>>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, 
>>> o,
>>> g,
>>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>>> and
>>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>>>
>>>
>>> hth!
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>>
>>> contact details:
>>>
>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> skype: the_conman283
>>>
>>> system details:
>>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
>>> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram,
>>> Fujitsu
>>> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:30 PM
>>> Subject: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello List Members,
>>>> I am thinking about getting an ipod.
>>>&g

Re: A Question About Ipods

[Valiant8086 (on laptop)]

Hi.
If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and look 
for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just want 
something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try milestone 311 or 
12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you can even 
use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think WAV files.

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To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods


> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
> Which one is?
> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>  John.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>> Hi.
>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
>> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod
>>> video
>>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going 
>>> into
>>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>>> can
>>> be found at:
>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>>> You
>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically
>>> is
>>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since
>>> the
>>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>>> it
>>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all,
>>> as
>>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>>> in
>>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>> painlessly
>>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into 
>>> the
>>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as 
>>> voice
>>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I 
>>> think
>>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>>> convert
>>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, 
>>> o,
>>> g,
>>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>>> and
>>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>>>
>>>
>>> hth!
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>>
>>> contact details:
>>>
>>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> skype: the_conman283
>>>
>>> system details:
>>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
>>> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram,
>>> Fujitsu
>>> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:30 PM
>>> Subject: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello List Members,
>>>> I am thinking about getting an ipod.
>>>> The one that I have my

Re: A Question About Ipods

[Valiant8086 (on laptop)]

Hi.
Ok I stand corrected, nano works.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods


Well, there's no need to guess, just go to rockbox.org and right on the
front page it says the following with respect to supported players:

• Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation
iPod Nano
(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd gen Nano, Classic or Touch)

I don't use the Nano myself, but based on this I think there are at
least some versions of the Nano that are supported by rockbox. Remember
that Rockbox is a moving target, so to know which players are supported,
go to the source and check the Rockbox web site.

Rockbox does support some lossless (uncompressed) formats. Again, off
the Rockbox page at WhyRockbox,
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox, it says:

Support for over 15 Sound Codecs, including OGG and FLAC MP3 and WAV.

Obviously, FLAC and WAV are lossless formats. I assume most of the
harddrive based players will support lossless formats, but best to check
if you're going to use the native firmware. The Zen Stone, which is not
a hard drive based player, doesn't support any lossless formats. I
believe the Sansa does support lossless formats, but like I said, if
you're not going to use Rockbox, best to check with the manufacturer's
documentation.

Good luck!

DJ DOCTOR P wrote:
> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
> Which one is?
> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>   John.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>
>> Hi.
>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
>> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod
>>> video
>>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going 
>>> into
>>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>>> can
>>> be found at:
>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>>> You
>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically
>>> is
>>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since
>>> the
>>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>>> it
>>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all,
>>> as
>>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>>> in
>>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>> painlessly
>>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into 
>>> the
>>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as 
>>> voice
>>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I 
>>> think
>>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>>> convert
>>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, 
>>> o,
>>> g,
>>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>>> and
>>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>

Re: A Question About Ipods

[Christopher Chaltain]

I apologize if I already posted this, but the Zen Stone is a real good 
option, I have one myself, but it's capacity is only a few GB, and it 
doesn't support lossless or uncompressed formats.

Valiant8086 (on laptop) wrote:
> Hi.
> If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and look 
> for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just want 
> something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try milestone 311 or 
> 12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you can even 
> use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think WAV files.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>   
>> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
>> Which one is?
>> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
>> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> Thanks.
>>  John.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not supported by
>>> rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an ipod
>>>> video
>>>> 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that going 
>>>> into
>>>> the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very painless. voices
>>>> can
>>>> be found at:
>>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of them,
>>>> except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives you battery
>>>> status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up sound settings.
>>>> You
>>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this basically
>>>> is
>>>> like a portable cd player, with hard drive based models that is. Since
>>>> the
>>>> nano is flash based, no real need for that here- a waiste of battery and
>>>> it
>>>> wouldn't work anyway. You can choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all,
>>>> as
>>>> well as shuffle repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade
>>>> in
>>>> and fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>>> painlessly
>>>> with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is plugged into 
>>>> the
>>>> pc, you open this utility up, set a few very simple options such as 
>>>> voice
>>>> directories or voice file names, and set it if you want it to notify you
>>>> when it has finished. Now you choose the drive that your ipod reprisents
>>>> (for me it is g, but it can be anything). Now press enter on run, I 
>>>> think
>>>> the button is called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will
>>>> convert
>>>> the spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, 
>>>> o,
>>>> g,
>>>> very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have sapi 5 this
>>>> might be an issue, however, I personally would use e speech. It is free
>>>> and
>>>> it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, it can be quite quick if you
>>>> have long file names. Its used in the open source screen reader NVDA,
>>>> (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone cares to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hth!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>>>
>>>> contact details:
>>>>
>>>>

RE: A Question About IPods

[K. Gillard]

Either does an IPOD.

Do some Googling And please let us know what you find out?

Cheers...Keit
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: May 14, 2008 6:19 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods

I apologize if I already posted this, but the Zen Stone is a real good
option, I have one myself, but it's capacity is only a few GB, and it
doesn't support lossless or uncompressed formats.

Valiant8086 (on laptop) wrote:
> Hi.
> If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and 
> look for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just 
> want something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try 
> milestone 311 or
> 12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you 
> can even use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think
WAV files.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
>
>   
>> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
>> Which one is?
>> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
>> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> Thanks.
>>  John.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not 
>>> supported by rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an 
>>>> ipod video 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that 
>>>> going into the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very 
>>>> painless. voices can be found at:
>>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of 
>>>> them, except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives 
>>>> you battery status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up
sound settings.
>>>> You
>>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this 
>>>> basically is like a portable cd player, with hard drive based 
>>>> models that is. Since the nano is flash based, no real need for 
>>>> that here- a waiste of battery and it wouldn't work anyway. You can 
>>>> choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, as well as shuffle 
>>>> repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade in and 
>>>> fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips 
>>>> painlessly with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is 
>>>> plugged into the pc, you open this utility up, set a few very 
>>>> simple options such as voice directories or voice file names, and 
>>>> set it if you want it to notify you when it has finished. Now you 
>>>> choose the drive that your ipod reprisents (for me it is g, but it 
>>>> can be anything). Now press enter on run, I think the button is 
>>>> called- and, using your default sapi 5 voice, it will convert the 
>>>> spelled out names you'd usually here (for example, dog would be d, 
>>>> o, g, very annoying), to full speech. Of course if you don't have 
>>>> sapi 5 this might be an issue, however, I personally would use e 
>>>> speech. It is free and it doesn't sound half bad and, most of all, 
>>>> it can be quite quick if you have long file names. Its used in the 
>>>> open source screen reader NVDA, (nonvisual desktop access)if anyone 
>>>> cares to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hth!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!
>>>>
>>>> contact details:
>>>>
>>>> email:

Re: A Question About IPods

[constantine (on laptop)]

But rockbox does, as people have stated before.


Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood!

contact details:

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
skype: the_conman283

system details:
Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc
AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 
100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio
- Original Message - 
From: "K. Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: A Question About IPods


> Either does an IPOD.
>
> Do some Googling And please let us know what you find out?
>
> Cheers...Keit
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: May 14, 2008 6:19 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
> I apologize if I already posted this, but the Zen Stone is a real good
> option, I have one myself, but it's capacity is only a few GB, and it
> doesn't support lossless or uncompressed formats.
>
> Valiant8086 (on laptop) wrote:
>> Hi.
>> If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and
>> look for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just
>> want something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try
>> milestone 311 or
>> 12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you
>> can even use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think
> WAV files.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>
>>> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
>>> Which one is?
>>> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
>>> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>> Thanks.
>>>  John.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not
>>>> supported by rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an
>>>>> ipod video 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that
>>>>> going into the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very
>>>>> painless. voices can be found at:
>>>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of
>>>>> them, except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives
>>>>> you battery status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up
> sound settings.
>>>>> You
>>>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this
>>>>> basically is like a portable cd player, with hard drive based
>>>>> models that is. Since the nano is flash based, no real need for
>>>>> that here- a waiste of battery and it wouldn't work anyway. You can
>>>>> choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, as well as shuffle
>>>>> repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade in and
>>>>> fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>>>> painlessly with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is
>>>>> plugged into the pc, you open this utility up, set a few very
>>>>> simple options such as voice directories or voice file names, and
>>>>> set it if you want it to notify you when it has finished. Now you
>>>>> choose the drive that your ipod reprisents (for me it is g, but it
>>>>> can be anything). Now press enter on run, I thi

Re: A Question About IPods

[DJ DOCTOR P]

Hello everyone,
I'd rather have a portable media player that can play uncompressed audio 
files.
I won't just be listening to it through a pare of headphones, I will be 
listening to it through a very high quality portable sound system which I 
will build for it myself.
To me, uncompressed audio files sound better then loscy MP3 files.
Which ipods play uncompressed audio files?
  John.
- Original Message - 
From: "K. Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: A Question About IPods


> Either does an IPOD.
>
> Do some Googling And please let us know what you find out?
>
> Cheers...Keit
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: May 14, 2008 6:19 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>
> I apologize if I already posted this, but the Zen Stone is a real good
> option, I have one myself, but it's capacity is only a few GB, and it
> doesn't support lossless or uncompressed formats.
>
> Valiant8086 (on laptop) wrote:
>> Hi.
>> If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and
>> look for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just
>> want something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try
>> milestone 311 or
>> 12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you
>> can even use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think
> WAV files.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>>
>>
>>> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
>>> Which one is?
>>> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
>>> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>> Thanks.
>>>  John.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not
>>>> supported by rockbox. In fact, it specifically said it wasn't.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, rockbox makes the nano a lot more user friendly. I have an
>>>>> ipod video 30 gb here, but its basically the same thing.
>>>>> And now that the new rockbox installer is out, no more of that
>>>>> going into the command prompt; its all done for you, and its very
>>>>> painless. voices can be found at:
>>>>> http://www.tbrn.net/rockbox
>>>>> the rockbox manual is very intuitive.
>>>>> They kater to us blind folks.
>>>>> You have speech output afor files, menu items (pretty much all of
>>>>> them, except perhaps an alarm- but who would use that). It gives
>>>>> you battery status information, etc. It lets you specifically set up
> sound settings.
>>>>> You
>>>>> get the option of choosing what the anti-skip buffer is- this
>>>>> basically is like a portable cd player, with hard drive based
>>>>> models that is. Since the nano is flash based, no real need for
>>>>> that here- a waiste of battery and it wouldn't work anyway. You can
>>>>> choose to shuffle, repeat, or repeat all, as well as shuffle
>>>>> repeat, and I'm not sure what else. Crossfading and fade in and
>>>>> fade out are all options too. You can even make .talk clips
>>>>> painlessly with the voicebox utility. Basically, while your ipod is
>>>>> plugged into the pc, you open this utility up, set a few very
>>>>> simple options such as voice directories or voice file names, and
>>>>> set it if you want it to notify you when it has finished. Now you
>>>>> choose the drive that your ipod reprisents (for me it is g, but it
>>>>> ca

Re: A Question About IPods

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, here's what I know. Rockbox will play lossless file formats, so if 
you're going to use Rockbox, you can use any MP3 player supported by 
Rockbox. Go to rockbox.org to get the current list of supported players.

The Zen Stone, which as far as I know, only comes in a 1GB or 2GB 
capacity, does not support Rockbox or lossless formats.

I thought I remembered that the Toshiba Gigabyte supported lossless 
formats, and after checking the web, that is correct. It also supports 
Rockbox. I don't believe it's available anymore, but I'm sure you could 
still find used or refurbished models on the web. I don't know how 
accessible the native firmware is though; I've never heard of a blind 
person using the Gigabyte, unless they were using Rockbox.

Just for grins, I did a search, using Yahoo!, on "lossless MP3 players" 
and the second hit was "MP3 players that play lossless music - CNET.com" 
at the URL http://www.cnet.com/4520-10166_1-6277508-1.html. On this web 
page it says:

"I know where you're coming from; lossless files do sound better than 
lossy files such as MP3, WMA, or AAC. Except for the
iPod Shuffle, all Apple iPods play back Apple lossless as  well as 
uncompressed WAV and AIFF files. You will also find
FLAC  (an open-source lossless format) compatibility in the aging and 
hard-to-locate Rio Karma, as well as the Cowon iAudio M3 and X5. The 
only MP3 players that support WMA lossless are actually the Windows 
Mobile-powered
Portable Media Centers. Check out this list  of lossless-compatible 
players."

The list being referred to above is at 
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-5622801-1.html?tag=txt.

Again, I don't know if any of these MP3 players are accessible with 
their native firmware or not. My hunch is that Rockbox will end up being 
the way to go. Good luck!

DJ DOCTOR P wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> I'd rather have a portable media player that can play uncompressed audio 
> files.
> I won't just be listening to it through a pare of headphones, I will be 
> listening to it through a very high quality portable sound system which I 
> will build for it myself.
> To me, uncompressed audio files sound better then loscy MP3 files.
> Which ipods play uncompressed audio files?
>   John.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "K. Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:04 PM
> Subject: RE: A Question About IPods
>
>
>   
>> Either does an IPOD.
>>
>> Do some Googling And please let us know what you find out?
>>
>> Cheers...Keit
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: May 14, 2008 6:19 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>
>> I apologize if I already posted this, but the Zen Stone is a real good
>> option, I have one myself, but it's capacity is only a few GB, and it
>> doesn't support lossless or uncompressed formats.
>>
>> Valiant8086 (on laptop) wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> If you're trying to use one with rockbox, go to http://rockbox.org and
>>> look for information on which players rockbox supports. If you just
>>> want something user friendly without needing rockbox you can try
>>> milestone 311 or
>>> 12 coming soon, vi player, zen stone (a really good option), or you
>>> can even use an olympus ds series recorder to play MP3, WMA and I think
>>>   
>> WAV files.
>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Ipods
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> High Valiant8086 on laptop,
>>>> Which one is?
>>>> I am looking for one that is blind user friendly.
>>>> I prefer an Ipod that can play uncompressed files.
>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>  John.
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Valiant8086 (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:09 PM
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> As far as I know, the last time I checked, the Nano was not
>>>>> supported by rockbox. In fact, it specificall

Re: Ipods and MP3 files

[Chris]

No and no. You need iTunes for anything iPod, including transferring 
music. This is just the way Apple works I am afraid. If you want 
removable storage capability and the ability to copy and paste to that 
removable storage, look elsewhere.


On 20/09/2012 13:11, Walter wrote:

Hi to all.  I have never owned an apple product and as far as computers are
concerned I've always worked with Windows.  I am however contemplating
purchasing an Ipod classic 160gig mp3 player.  Since I'm unfamiliar with
apple products I have a few questions. If I purchased an Ipod and wished to
load it with MP3 music files from my own collection is it a simple matter of
copy and paste?  Does the Ipod show up on my PC as a removable drive?  If
this is not the case must I use some sort of conversion tool to accomplish
this such as an Itunes file transfer manager and if so, how accessible is
it, would I need Jaws scripts.  Can I transfer music onto the player and
delete files without any connection with Itunes.? I don't want to spend a
lot of money and find I am unable to simply transfer files to the Ipod.
Your input will be much appreciated.  Walter.


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know that a whole heap of you out there are happily riding your  
trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically  
thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has  
anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at  
this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new  
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[Steve Pattison]

>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I thought this was very interesting ...

Dave

Technology Review
Tuesday, May 08, 2007

Audio Menus for iPods

By Kate Greene

Download an MP3 version of this story
http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18

703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
options
instead of looking at them.

Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
amount of
visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
dangerous
(while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
Microsoft
Research are working on software that could make it possible to
navigate
the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
without
looking at them--only audio cues would be used.

The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
her finger
around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
expansive
menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
Baudisch, a
research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
on the
project.

LINK:
http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/

Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
navigate
two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
and just
as accurately.

"Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
reasonable,"
says
Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
visual
attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
their eyes,
he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
wasting
energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
screen-free
devices such as the iPod shuffle.

The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
after
all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld

consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
reasons
for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
and
college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.

LINK:
http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/

One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
been
resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
and
energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
program.

But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
increasing
need
to find different ways to interact with handheld devices, says
Walker.
Within the past 10 years, he says, the ubiquity of mobile devices
with
small displays "has made us all visually impaired." Currently
there are
only a handful of researchers who are systematically looking at
ways to
make better audio interfaces for various devices, but Walker
expects the
ranks to grow in the coming years.

This first earPod prototype has a two-level menu hierarchy with 8
items
per category, for a total of 64 items. To test how well people use
the
system, the researchers assigned to the first menu level a random

assortment of categories: "clothing," "fish," "instrument,"
"color," and
four others. The next level contained eight examples of these
items. The
iPod analogy would be found in the opening menu, which includes
"music,"
"extras," "settings," and then lower menus that include
"playlists,"
"artists," and "albums," for instance. The earPod approach could
be
extended to read off a limited number of names of artists and
songs as
well.

EarPod was designed specifically for gadgets with circular touch
pads,
says Baudisch. The circular touch pad is evenly divided into eight

sectors: it's cut like pieces of a pie, with each menu item
associated
with each piece. When a person touches the dial of an
earPod-equipped
gadget, the audio menu responds with a prerecorded human voice. If
a
person puts his or her finger at 12 o'clock on the touch pad, the
voice
might say "Color," indicating that the finger is on the color
sector. When
the finger crosses one of these invisible sector lines, the user
hears a
clicking sound. As a finger moves, a new menu item is announced.
To select
an item and go to the next menu level, the user lifts his or her
finger
and hears a "camera-shutter" sound, which indicates that an item
has been
chosen.

Because the touch pad is divided into portions, says Baudisch,
people
can
easily learn where menu items are and quickly jump to certain
items
without having to scroll through a list, as with an iPod. Another
feature
of earPod, he says, is that a user doesn't need to wait until a
menu item
is read before moving on to another. When a finger moves to a new
sector,
the audio is interrupted and the new item is announced.

In the earPod usability st

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[John Price]

Hello Steeve,
I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for 
me because of the fact that I'm blind.
If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket City 
to get one.
I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I thought this was very interesting ...
>
> Dave
>
> Technology Review
> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
>
> Audio Menus for iPods
>
> By Kate Greene
>
> Download an MP3 version of this story
> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
>
> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
> options
> instead of looking at them.
>
> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
> amount of
> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
> dangerous
> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
> Microsoft
> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
> navigate
> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
> without
> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
>
> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
> her finger
> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
> expansive
> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
> Baudisch, a
> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
> on the
> project.
>
> LINK:
> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
>
> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
> navigate
> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
> and just
> as accurately.
>
> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
> reasonable,"
> says
> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
> visual
> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
> their eyes,
> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
> wasting
> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
> screen-free
> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
>
> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
> after
> all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
> technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
>
> consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
> reasons
> for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
> and
> college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
>
> LINK:
> http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
>
> One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
> been
> resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
> and
> energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
> program.
>
> But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
> increasing
> need
> to find different ways to interact with handheld devices, says
> Walker.
> Within the past 10 years, he says, the ubiquity of mobile devices
> with
> small displays "has made us all visually impaired." Currently
> there are
> only a handful of researchers who are systematically looking at
> ways to
> make better audio interfaces for various devices, but Walker
> expects the
> ranks to grow in the coming years.
>
> This first earPod prototype has a two-level menu hierarchy with 8
> items
> per category, for a total of 64 items. To test how well people use
> the
> system, the researchers assigned to the first menu level a random
>
> assortment of categories: "clothing," "fish," "instrument,"
> "color," and
> four others. The next level contained eight examples of these
> items. The
> iPod analogy would be found in the opening menu, which includes
> "music,"
> "extras," "settings," and then lower menus that include
> "playlists,"
> "artists," and "albums," for instance. The earPod approach could
> be
> extended to read off a limited number of names of artists and
> songs as
> well.
>
> EarPod was designed specifically for gadgets with circular touch
> pads,
> says Baudisch. 

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Thomas \(TJ\) Olsen]

Hi
well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you 
that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an 
ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar, 
but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players using 
a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use it 
flawlessly to use my ihp 120.

tj

tj
- Original Message - 
From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


> Hello Steeve,
> I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
> I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for
> me because of the fact that I'm blind.
> If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket 
> City
> to get one.
> I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
>
>
>>
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> I thought this was very interesting ...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Technology Review
>> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
>>
>> Audio Menus for iPods
>>
>> By Kate Greene
>>
>> Download an MP3 version of this story
>> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
>>
>> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
>> options
>> instead of looking at them.
>>
>> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
>> amount of
>> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
>> dangerous
>> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
>> Microsoft
>> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
>> navigate
>> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
>> without
>> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
>>
>> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
>> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
>> her finger
>> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
>> expansive
>> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
>> Baudisch, a
>> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
>> on the
>> project.
>>
>> LINK:
>> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
>>
>> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
>> navigate
>> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
>> and just
>> as accurately.
>>
>> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
>> reasonable,"
>> says
>> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
>> visual
>> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
>> their eyes,
>> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
>> wasting
>> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
>> screen-free
>> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
>>
>> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
>> after
>> all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
>> technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
>>
>> consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
>> reasons
>> for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
>> and
>> college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>
>> LINK:
>> http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
>>
>> One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
>> been
>> resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
>> and
>> energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
>> program.
>>
>> But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
>> increasing
>> need
>> to find different ways to interact with handheld devices, says
>> Walker.
>> Within the past 10 years, he says, the ubiquity of mobile devices
>> with
>> small displays "has made us all visually impaired." Currently
>> there are
>> only a handful of researchers who are systema

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[David Tanner]

Well, I'll tell you what.  After using the RockBox software on my IPOD for 4 
days I would say that the day of the talking IPod is here.  If you can use the 
speech on a PC you can definately use the speech that RockBox gives you to 
access your IPOD.  The improvements in the software, and in the ease of 
installation in the past year have made it a quite reasonable solution for 
making IPOD accessible to the blind user.



- Original Message - 
From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


: Hello Steeve,
: I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
: I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for 
: me because of the fact that I'm blind.
: If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket City 
: to get one.
: I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
: - Original Message - 
: From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
: Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: 
: 
: >
: >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >
: > I thought this was very interesting ...
: >
: > Dave
: >
: > Technology Review
: > Tuesday, May 08, 2007
: >
: > Audio Menus for iPods
: >
: > By Kate Greene
: >
: > Download an MP3 version of this story
: > http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
: >
: > 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
: > options
: > instead of looking at them.
: >
: > Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
: > amount of
: > visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
: > dangerous
: > (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
: > Microsoft
: > Research are working on software that could make it possible to
: > navigate
: > the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
: > without
: > looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
: >
: > The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
: > earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
: > her finger
: > around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
: > expansive
: > menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
: > Baudisch, a
: > research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
: > on the
: > project.
: >
: > LINK:
: > http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
: >
: > Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
: > navigate
: > two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
: > and just
: > as accurately.
: >
: > "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
: > reasonable,"
: > says
: > Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
: > visual
: > attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
: > their eyes,
: > he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
: > wasting
: > energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
: > screen-free
: > devices such as the iPod shuffle.
: >
: > The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
: > after
: > all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
: > technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
: >
: > consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
: > reasons
: > for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
: > and
: > college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
: >
: > LINK:
: > http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
: >
: > One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
: > been
: > resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
: > and
: > energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
: > program.
: >
: > But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
: > increasing
: > need
: > to find different ways to interact with handheld devices, says
: > Walker.
: > Within the past 10 years, he says, the ubiquity of mobile devices
: > with
: > small displays "has made us all visually impaired." Currently
: > there are
: > only a handful of researchers who are systematically looking at
: > ways to
: > make better audio interfaces for various devices, but Walker
: > expects the
: > ranks to grow in the coming years.
: >
: > This first earPod prototype has a two-level menu hierarc

RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:43 PM
To: PC audio discussion list. 
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

Well, I'll tell you what.  After using the RockBox software on my IPOD for 4
days I would say that the day of the talking IPod is here.  If you can use
the speech on a PC you can definately use the speech that RockBox gives you
to access your IPOD.  The improvements in the software, and in the ease of
installation in the past year have made it a quite reasonable solution for
making IPOD accessible to the blind user.



- Original Message -
From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


: Hello Steeve,
: I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
: I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for

: me because of the fact that I'm blind.
: If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket
City 
: to get one.
: I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
: - Original Message - 
: From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
: Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: 
: 
: >
: >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >
: > I thought this was very interesting ...
: >
: > Dave
: >
: > Technology Review
: > Tuesday, May 08, 2007
: >
: > Audio Menus for iPods
: >
: > By Kate Greene
: >
: > Download an MP3 version of this story
: > http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
: >
: > 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
: > options
: > instead of looking at them.
: >
: > Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
: > amount of
: > visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
: > dangerous
: > (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
: > Microsoft
: > Research are working on software that could make it possible to
: > navigate
: > the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
: > without
: > looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
: >
: > The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
: > earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
: > her finger
: > around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
: > expansive
: > menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
: > Baudisch, a
: > research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
: > on the
: > project.
: >
: > LINK:
: > http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
: >
: > Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
: > navigate
: > two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
: > and just
: > as accurately.
: >
: > "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
: > reasonable,"
: > says
: > Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
: > visual
: > attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
: > their eyes,
: > he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
: > wasting
: > energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
: > screen-free
: > devices such as the iPod shuffle.
: >
: > The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
: > after
: > all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
: > technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
: >
: > consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
: > reasons
: > for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
: > and
: > college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
: >
: > LINK:
: > http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
: >
: > One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
: > been
: > resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
: > and
: > energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
: > program.
: >
: > But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
: > incr

RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Wes Derby]

I'd totally agree with the statements about Rockbox...I've been using it on a 
30GB iPod Video since February, and over all, it works great and is pretty 
accessible.  I would have rather gone with the 80GB iPod, but at the time, 
Rockbox didn't support it...Not sure if that's changed.



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From: "Stephen Guerra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

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> 
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> -Original Message- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of David Tanner 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:43 PM 
> To: PC audio discussion list. 
> Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods 
> 
> Well, I'll tell you what. After using the RockBox software on my IPOD for 4 
> days I would say that the day of the talking IPod is here. If you can use 
> the speech on a PC you can definately use the speech that RockBox gives you 
> to access your IPOD. The improvements in the software, and in the ease of 
> installation in the past year have made it a quite reasonable solution for 
> making IPOD accessible to the blind user. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Price" 
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:16 PM 
> Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods 
> 
> 
> : Hello Steeve, 
> : I just red your posting about the talking ipodder. 
> : I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for 
> 
> : me because of the fact that I'm blind. 
> : If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket 
> City 
> : to get one. 
> : I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon. 
> : - Original Message - 
> : From: "Steve Pattison" 
> : To: "Access-L" ; "PC Audio" 
> : Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM 
> : Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods 
> : 
> : 
> : > 
> : >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> : >>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> : > 
> : > I thought this was very interesting ... 
> : > 
> : > Dave 
> : > 
> : > Technology Review 
> : > Tuesday, May 08, 2007 
> : > 
> : > Audio Menus for iPods 
> : > 
> : > By Kate Greene 
> : > 
> : > Download an MP3 version of this story 
> : > http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18 
> : > 
> : > 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu 
> : > options 
> : > instead of looking at them. 
> : > 
> : > Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant 
> : > amount of 
> : > visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even 
> : > dangerous 
> : > (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and 
> : > Microsoft 
> : > Research are working on software that could make it possible to 
> : > navigate 
> : > the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod, 
> : > without 
> : > looking at them--only audio cues would be used. 
> : > 
> : > The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called 
> : > earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or 
> : > her finger 
> : > around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the 
> : > expansive 
> : > menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick 
> : > Baudisch, a 
> : > research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked 
> : > on the 
> : > project. 
> : > 
> : > LINK: 
> : > http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/ 
> : > 
> : > Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can 
> : > navigate 
> : > two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus, 
> : > and just 
> : > as accurately. 
> : > 
> : > "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is 
> : > reasonable," 
> : > says 
> : > Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant 
> : > visual 
> : > attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back 
&

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Anders Holmberg]

HellO!
Why not use one of the cell phones out there with talks or mobilespeak.
Or as i, use the milestone 311.
/Anders.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas (TJ) Olsen 
  To: PC audio discussion list. 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


  Hi
  well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you 
  that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an 
  ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar, 
  but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players using 
  a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use it 
  flawlessly to use my ihp 120.

  tj

  tj
  - Original Message - 
  From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


  > Hello Steeve,
  > I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
  > I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for
  > me because of the fact that I'm blind.
  > If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket 
  > City
  > to get one.
  > I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
  > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
  > Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
  >
  >
  >>
  >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >>
  >> I thought this was very interesting ...
  >>
  >> Dave
  >>
  >> Technology Review
  >> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
  >>
  >> Audio Menus for iPods
  >>
  >> By Kate Greene
  >>
  >> Download an MP3 version of this story
  >> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
  >>
  >> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
  >> options
  >> instead of looking at them.
  >>
  >> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
  >> amount of
  >> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
  >> dangerous
  >> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
  >> Microsoft
  >> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
  >> navigate
  >> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
  >> without
  >> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
  >>
  >> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
  >> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
  >> her finger
  >> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
  >> expansive
  >> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
  >> Baudisch, a
  >> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
  >> on the
  >> project.
  >>
  >> LINK:
  >> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
  >>
  >> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
  >> navigate
  >> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
  >> and just
  >> as accurately.
  >>
  >> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
  >> reasonable,"
  >> says
  >> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
  >> visual
  >> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
  >> their eyes,
  >> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
  >> wasting
  >> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
  >> screen-free
  >> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
  >>
  >> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
  >> after
  >> all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
  >> technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
  >>
  >> consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
  >> reasons
  >> for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
  >> and
  >> college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
  >>
  >> LINK:
  >> http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
  >>
  >> One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
  >> been
  >> resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
  >> and
  &

RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Amanda]

Is it still the case that Rockbox will not work with books downloaded from
audible.com?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas (TJ) Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 1:26 PM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


Hi
well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you
that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an
ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar,
but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players using
a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use it
flawlessly to use my ihp 120.

tj

tj
- Original Message -
From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


> Hello Steeve,
> I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
> I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for
> me because of the fact that I'm blind.
> If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket
> City
> to get one.
> I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
>
>
>>
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> I thought this was very interesting ...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Technology Review
>> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
>>
>> Audio Menus for iPods
>>
>> By Kate Greene
>>
>> Download an MP3 version of this story
>> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
>>
>> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
>> options
>> instead of looking at them.
>>
>> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
>> amount of
>> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
>> dangerous
>> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
>> Microsoft
>> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
>> navigate
>> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
>> without
>> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
>>
>> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
>> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
>> her finger
>> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
>> expansive
>> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
>> Baudisch, a
>> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
>> on the
>> project.
>>
>> LINK:
>> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
>>
>> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
>> navigate
>> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
>> and just
>> as accurately.
>>
>> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
>> reasonable,"
>> says
>> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
>> visual
>> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
>> their eyes,
>> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
>> wasting
>> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
>> screen-free
>> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
>>
>> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
>> after
>> all, be found in touch-tone phone menus and in various assisted
>> technologies for seeing-impaired users. But historically, handheld
>>
>> consumer gadgets haven't widely used audio menus. There are a few
>> reasons
>> for this, says Bruce Walker, professor in the school of psychology
>> and
>> college of computing at Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>
>> LINK:
>> http://sonify.psych.gatech.edu/~walkerb/
>>
>> One reason, he says, is that audio hardware and software have
>> been
>> resource intensive, requiring significant amounts of computation
>> and
>> energy. In addition, audio software has been difficult to
>> program.
>>
>> But computing power is becoming cheaper, and there is an
>> increasing
>> need
>> to find different ways to 

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Thomas \(TJ\) Olsen]

Due to audible using a propriotary codek and rockbocx being an open source 
project, it is ne-impossible for rockbox  to ever support audible, sorry

tj
- Original Message - 
From: "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:57 AM
Subject: RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


> Is it still the case that Rockbox will not work with books downloaded from
> audible.com?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas (TJ) Olsen
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 1:26 PM
> To: PC audio discussion list.
> Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
>
>
> Hi
> well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you
> that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an
> ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar,
> but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players 
> using
> a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use 
> it
> flawlessly to use my ihp 120.
>
> tj
>
> tj
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
>
>
>> Hello Steeve,
>> I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
>> I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work 
>> for
>> me because of the fact that I'm blind.
>> If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket
>> City
>> to get one.
>> I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> I thought this was very interesting ...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Technology Review
>>> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
>>>
>>> Audio Menus for iPods
>>>
>>> By Kate Greene
>>>
>>> Download an MP3 version of this story
>>> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
>>>
>>> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
>>> options
>>> instead of looking at them.
>>>
>>> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
>>> amount of
>>> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
>>> dangerous
>>> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
>>> Microsoft
>>> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
>>> navigate
>>> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
>>> without
>>> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
>>>
>>> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
>>> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
>>> her finger
>>> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
>>> expansive
>>> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
>>> Baudisch, a
>>> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
>>> on the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> LINK:
>>> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
>>>
>>> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
>>> navigate
>>> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
>>> and just
>>> as accurately.
>>>
>>> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
>>> reasonable,"
>>> says
>>> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
>>> visual
>>> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
>>> their eyes,
>>> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
>>> wasting
>>> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
>>> screen-free
>>> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
>>>
>>> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
>>> after
>>> all, be found in

Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[David Tanner]

I would assume so, since I just got RockBox on my IPOD last week, and I see no 
menu choice for Audible books.  But, in I-Tunes there was a menu choice for 
Audible.  I would guess you could download Net Library books and read them with 
RockBox, but I bet there will be a problem getting back to where you left off 
last time. I doubt that there is any kind of way to place a bookmark for where 
you left off.


- Original Message - 
From: "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


: Is it still the case that Rockbox will not work with books downloaded from
: audible.com?
: 
: -Original Message-
: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas (TJ) Olsen
: Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 1:26 PM
: To: PC audio discussion list.
: Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: 
: 
: Hi
: well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you
: that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an
: ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar,
: but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players using
: a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use it
: flawlessly to use my ihp 120.
: 
: tj
: 
: tj
: - Original Message -
: From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
: Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: 
: 
: > Hello Steeve,
: > I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
: > I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work for
: > me because of the fact that I'm blind.
: > If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket
: > City
: > to get one.
: > I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
: > - Original Message -
: > From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio" 
: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
: > Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: >
: >
: >>
: >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>
: >> I thought this was very interesting ...
: >>
: >> Dave
: >>
: >> Technology Review
: >> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
: >>
: >> Audio Menus for iPods
: >>
: >> By Kate Greene
: >>
: >> Download an MP3 version of this story
: >> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
: >>
: >> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
: >> options
: >> instead of looking at them.
: >>
: >> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
: >> amount of
: >> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
: >> dangerous
: >> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
: >> Microsoft
: >> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
: >> navigate
: >> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
: >> without
: >> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
: >>
: >> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
: >> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
: >> her finger
: >> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
: >> expansive
: >> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
: >> Baudisch, a
: >> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
: >> on the
: >> project.
: >>
: >> LINK:
: >> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
: >>
: >> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
: >> navigate
: >> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
: >> and just
: >> as accurately.
: >>
: >> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
: >> reasonable,"
: >> says
: >> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
: >> visual
: >> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
: >> their eyes,
: >> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
: >> wasting
: >> energy on a screen, and they could add functions to the
: >> screen-free
: >> devices such as the iPod shuffle.
: >>
: >> The idea of using audio menus isn't new. Auditory interfaces can,
: >> after
: >> all, be found in touch-tone phone

RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods

[Amanda]

Thanks.  I'll wait eagerly for the menus then.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 1:55 PM
To: PC audio discussion list.
Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


I would assume so, since I just got RockBox on my IPOD last week, and I see
no menu choice for Audible books.  But, in I-Tunes there was a menu choice
for Audible.  I would guess you could download Net Library books and read
them with RockBox, but I bet there will be a problem getting back to where
you left off last time. I doubt that there is any kind of way to place a
bookmark for where you left off.


- Original Message -
From: "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: Article: Audio Menus for iPods


: Is it still the case that Rockbox will not work with books downloaded from
: audible.com?
:
: -Original Message-
: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas (TJ) Olsen
: Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2007 1:26 PM
: To: PC audio discussion list.
: Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
:
:
: Hi
: well while we've not yet heard of the ipodder, we would like to inform you
: that you do not need to wait for this (most likely pricey) add on for an
: ipod to navigate one while totally blind. rockbox.org provides a similar,
: but much more advanced system of navigating many models of mp3 players
using
: a voiced user interface. I very highly recommend looking in to it. I use
it
: flawlessly to use my ihp 120.
:
: tj
:
: tj
: - Original Message -
: From: "John Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: "PC audio discussion list. " 
: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 10:16 PM
: Subject: Re: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
:
:
: > Hello Steeve,
: > I just red your posting about the talking ipodder.
: > I've always wanted an eyepodder, but I didn't thank that it would work
for
: > me because of the fact that I'm blind.
: > If they pull this earpodder off, I will be the first in line at Cirket
: > City
: > to get one.
: > I hope this talking eye/earpodder will be avillable soon.
: > - Original Message -
: > From: "Steve Pattison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: > To: "Access-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PC Audio"

: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:34 PM
: > Subject: Fwd: Article: Audio Menus for iPods
: >
: >
: >>
: >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>>From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >>
: >> I thought this was very interesting ...
: >>
: >> Dave
: >>
: >> Technology Review
: >> Tuesday, May 08, 2007
: >>
: >> Audio Menus for iPods
: >>
: >> By Kate Greene
: >>
: >> Download an MP3 version of this story
: >> http://www.audiodizer.com/technologyreview/infotech/download.aspx?id=18
: >>
: >> 703 Researchers are testing ways to let people listen to gadget menu
: >> options
: >> instead of looking at them.
: >>
: >> Clicking through the menu on your iPod demands a significant
: >> amount of
: >> visual attention, which can be a hassle (while jogging) and even
: >> dangerous
: >> (while driving). But engineers at the University of Toronto and
: >> Microsoft
: >> Research are working on software that could make it possible to
: >> navigate
: >> the menus of gadgets that use circular touch pads, like the iPod,
: >> without
: >> looking at them--only audio cues would be used.
: >>
: >> The researchers have designed an auditory menu technique--called
: >> earPod--that provides audio feedback when a person drags his or
: >> her finger
: >> around the touch pad. Although it's not ready to replace the
: >> expansive
: >> menus on real iPods, the results are encouraging, says Patrick
: >> Baudisch, a
: >> research scientist at Microsoft Research, in Seattle, who worked
: >> on the
: >> project.
: >>
: >> LINK:
: >> http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/
: >>
: >> Within 30 minutes of beginning to use the technology, people can
: >> navigate
: >> two levels of earPod menus faster than traditional visual menus,
: >> and just
: >> as accurately.
: >>
: >> "Requiring constant visual attention while using a PC is
: >> reasonable,"
: >> says
: >> Baudisch, "but if you're using an iPod on the road, [constant
: >> visual
: >> attention] is unreasonable." In addition to giving people back
: >> their eyes,
: >> he says, audio menus could help gadgets save battery life by not
: >> wasting
: >> energy on a s

Buyers of Ipods please be warned

[Dane Trethowan]

Ok everyone, this is a warning for anyone considering purchasing the  
new model of Ipod Classic which came out next month, I was seriously  
thinking about getting one of these gadgets but I'm wondering whether  
I may give this a miss? Naturally other blind people have these things  
so until I hear that they've had success with these new Ipod Classics  
then I won't be touching one.
Firstly, you need sighted assistance to configure the new Classic to  
connect and communicate with your computer it seems, you actually need  
to tell the Classic about the computer you're using, whether its a  
Windows or a Mac computer.
Second thing, you cannot run the new Ipod classic with multiple  
computers or multiple Itunes library's, what a pity.
Finally and probably most annoyingly, Apple have seen fit to disable  
the "click" sound which could be heard when you moved around the  
navigation wheel, if this is indeed true then I'll indeed have  
something to say about Apple on that to see if it can be reintroduced  
into the machine via a firmware update or plead! with them not to take  
this feature out of future Ipod models.
I'll let the list know as I find out more and if other people find  
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RE: Ipods, what's being used these days.

[David Reynolds]

I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility at the computer
end, since mosrt players such as winamp and windows media player now seem to
cater for ipods and other players. It is more to do with the accessibility
of the player itself. I have a creative zen, and it has a 30gb drive. Wow!
The only problem is I don't remember what I've got on it. It looks unlikely
that rockbox will be adapted for this player. Having said all that, I'm
quite happy with it, and whenever I forget what's on there, I can just link
it up to the pc and get the computer to tell me. Ipods are a bit of a
problem, since most use touch sensative controls, no buttons, just a smooth
surface. My wife has one, and I find it impossible to use.

Dave.

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The subject of Ipods seems to have been discussed allot here lately  
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know that a whole heap of you out there are happily riding your  
trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically  
thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has  
anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at  
this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new  
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[Dane Trethowan]

Thanks for this and as you say, its just a matter of remembering  
what's on the player and you can hook the player up to your PC or Mac  
to find out, now I'm sure I read somewhere that Ipods could immit a  
click when a menu option was changed or when you ran your finger  
round the wheel, anyone know about this? If this is the case then  
this would also be helpful.

On 11/03/2007, at 7:47 AM, David Reynolds wrote:



I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility at the  
computer
end, since mosrt players such as winamp and windows media player now  
seem to
cater for ipods and other players. It is more to do with the  
accessibility
of the player itself. I have a creative zen, and it has a 30gb drive.  
Wow!
The only problem is I don't remember what I've got on it. It looks  
unlikely
that rockbox will be adapted for this player. Having said all that, I'm
quite happy with it, and whenever I forget what's on there, I can  
just link
it up to the pc and get the computer to tell me. Ipods are a bit of a
problem, since most use touch sensative controls, no buttons, just a  
smooth
surface. My wife has one, and I find it impossible to use.

Dave.

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trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically
thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has
anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at
this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new
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i'v thort about getting a zen can you cut and past the audio on to them?
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:47 PM
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>
>
> I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility at the 
> computer
> end, since mosrt players such as winamp and windows media player now seem 
> to
> cater for ipods and other players. It is more to do with the accessibility
> of the player itself. I have a creative zen, and it has a 30gb drive. Wow!
> The only problem is I don't remember what I've got on it. It looks 
> unlikely
> that rockbox will be adapted for this player. Having said all that, I'm
> quite happy with it, and whenever I forget what's on there, I can just 
> link
> it up to the pc and get the computer to tell me. Ipods are a bit of a
> problem, since most use touch sensative controls, no buttons, just a 
> smooth
> surface. My wife has one, and I find it impossible to use.
>
> Dave.
>
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> and silly me, I've ignore the topic but now that Itunes is more
> accessible than it was I'm seriously looking at getting one and I
> know that a whole heap of you out there are happily riding your
> trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically
> thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has
> anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at
> this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new
> Ipod video anyway.
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This is true. They do emit a small click, but you'd probably have to take
your earphones out to hear it.

Dave.

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Subject: Re: Ipods, what's being used these days.


Thanks for this and as you say, its just a matter of remembering  
what's on the player and you can hook the player up to your PC or Mac  
to find out, now I'm sure I read somewhere that Ipods could immit a  
click when a menu option was changed or when you ran your finger  
round the wheel, anyone know about this? If this is the case then  
this would also be helpful.

On 11/03/2007, at 7:47 AM, David Reynolds wrote:



I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility at the  
computer
end, since mosrt players such as winamp and windows media player now  
seem to
cater for ipods and other players. It is more to do with the  
accessibility
of the player itself. I have a creative zen, and it has a 30gb drive.  
Wow!
The only problem is I don't remember what I've got on it. It looks  
unlikely
that rockbox will be adapted for this player. Having said all that, I'm
quite happy with it, and whenever I forget what's on there, I can  
just link
it up to the pc and get the computer to tell me. Ipods are a bit of a
problem, since most use touch sensative controls, no buttons, just a  
smooth
surface. My wife has one, and I find it impossible to use.

Dave.

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Hi@
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silly me, I've ignore the topic but now that Itunes is more accessible than
it was I'm seriously looking at getting one and I know that a whole heap of
you out there are happily riding your trusty steeds through your music
collection. So I'm specifically thinking of something like the Ipod video
with the 80 gig drive, has anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't
particularly worry me at this stage as I know that a version is being
developped for the new Ipod video anyway.

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RE: Ipods, what's being used these days.

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Carl,
You can do this. You can either purchase notmad explorer, or if you use the
plays for sure drivers, you can use it like a detachable hard drive on your
computer.

Dave.

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i'v thort about getting a zen can you cut and past the audio on to them?
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>
>
> I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility at the 
> computer end, since mosrt players such as winamp and windows media 
> player now seem to
> cater for ipods and other players. It is more to do with the accessibility
> of the player itself. I have a creative zen, and it has a 30gb drive. Wow!
> The only problem is I don't remember what I've got on it. It looks 
> unlikely
> that rockbox will be adapted for this player. Having said all that, I'm
> quite happy with it, and whenever I forget what's on there, I can just 
> link
> it up to the pc and get the computer to tell me. Ipods are a bit of a
> problem, since most use touch sensative controls, no buttons, just a 
> smooth
> surface. My wife has one, and I find it impossible to use.
>
> Dave.
>
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> something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has anyone used 
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Re: Ipods, what's being used these days.

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[Damon]

is iTunes more accessible now?

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> Hi@
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> know that a whole heap of you out there are happily riding your
> trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically
> thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has
> anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at
> this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new
> Ipod video anyway.
>
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certainly!

On 12/03/2007, at 3:33 AM, Damon wrote:

is iTunes more accessible now?

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Re: Ipods, what's being used these days.

[Chris Skarstad]

Well now remember, that all depends.  The Mac enthusiasts of the 
world certainly claim that iTunes is more accessible, which is 
awesome and all, but if you're a windows user, i'm afraid it's not so good.
I've heard reports that it is somewhat more usable with Window-eyes 
6.1, but I tried it and didn't get very far with it, either with that 
or JAWS 8.0.


At 12:25 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote:
>certainly!
>
>On 12/03/2007, at 3:33 AM, Damon wrote:
>
>is iTunes more accessible now?
>
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> > Hi@
> > The subject of Ipods seems to have been discussed allot here lately
> > and silly me, I've ignore the topic but now that Itunes is more
> > accessible than it was I'm seriously looking at getting one and I
> > know that a whole heap of you out there are happily riding your
> > trusty steeds through your music collection. So I'm specifically
> > thinking of something like the Ipod video with the 80 gig drive, has
> > anyone used this at all? Rockbox doesn't particularly worry me at
> > this stage as I know that a version is being developped for the new
> > Ipod video anyway.
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