RE: Good PC speakers

[Merv Keck]

I,
If you ever want a $400 set of USB speakers, Bose has a good set of PC speakers.
Sound Companion 5
I absolutely love them.
Merv


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of David 
Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 2:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Good PC speakers

Would these be the speakers you were mentioning? Costs $105.


https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z623-Watt-Speaker-System/dp/B003VAHYTG

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist 
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 11/3/2017 11:50 PM, Byron Stephens wrote:
The z623 speakers from logitech are one of the best, if you can still find them.
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
<maryot...@comcast.net><mailto:maryot...@comcast.net>
To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org><mailto:pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Good PC speakers


Hi folks,
I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on my 
very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot anyway. So 
I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually sounds good. I’m 
talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just the sort of speakers 
that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of b and w MM ones on my 
Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. They are very nice, but 
I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC where I probably won’t listen 
to boatloads of excellent music. Still, regular cheap computer speakers are 
really not what I’m looking for. Any suggestions?
Mary


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SV: Good PC speakers

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Wel i'd go for something like Edify 

Brian

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Sendt: 4. november 2017 20:14
Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>; David Goldfield 
<david.goldfi...@outlook.com>
Emne: Re: Good PC speakers

I think i have a varient of that speaker model and I can tell you you won't 
need any other speaker system it will do what you want and then some lets just 
say this if you turn up the base all the way up I had my pots on the stove 
rattling and it was on watching starwars movie.
don't think the dude in the apartment next door appreciated it much but I sure 
did.
in all seriousness he came over and watched some of the movie to.
but yes these are really good speakers

On 11/4/2017 11:45 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
> Would these be the speakers you were mentioning? Costs $105.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z623-Watt-Speaker-System/dp/B003VAHYTG
>
> David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist 
> WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
> On 11/3/2017 11:50 PM, Byron Stephens wrote:
> The z623 speakers from logitech are one of the best, if you can still find 
> them.
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> <maryot...@comcast.net><mailto:maryot...@comcast.net>
> To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org><mailto:pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:51 PM
> Subject: Good PC speakers
>
>
> Hi folks,
> I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on 
> my very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot 
> anyway. So I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually 
> sounds good. I’m talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just 
> the sort of speakers that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of b 
> and w MM ones on my Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. 
> They are very nice, but I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC where 
> I probably won’t listen to boatloads of excellent music. Still, regular cheap 
> computer speakers are really not what I’m looking for. Any suggestions?
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

Re: Good PC speakers

[The wolf]

I think i have a varient of that speaker model and I can tell you you 
won't need any other speaker system it will do what you want and then some
lets just say this if you turn up the base all the way up I had my pots 
on the stove rattling and it was on watching starwars movie.

don't think the dude in the apartment next door
appreciated it much but I sure did.
in all seriousness he came over and watched some of the movie to.
but yes these are really good speakers

On 11/4/2017 11:45 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

Would these be the speakers you were mentioning? Costs $105.


https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z623-Watt-Speaker-System/dp/B003VAHYTG

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist 
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 11/3/2017 11:50 PM, Byron Stephens wrote:
The z623 speakers from logitech are one of the best, if you can still find them.
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
<maryot...@comcast.net><mailto:maryot...@comcast.net>
To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org><mailto:pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Good PC speakers


Hi folks,
I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on my 
very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot anyway. So 
I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually sounds good. I’m 
talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just the sort of speakers 
that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of b and w MM ones on my 
Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. They are very nice, but 
I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC where I probably won’t listen 
to boatloads of excellent music. Still, regular cheap computer speakers are 
really not what I’m looking for. Any suggestions?
Mary


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Re: Good PC speakers

[David Goldfield]

Would these be the speakers you were mentioning? Costs $105.


https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z623-Watt-Speaker-System/dp/B003VAHYTG

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist 
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 11/3/2017 11:50 PM, Byron Stephens wrote:
The z623 speakers from logitech are one of the best, if you can still find them.
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
<maryot...@comcast.net><mailto:maryot...@comcast.net>
To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org><mailto:pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Good PC speakers


Hi folks,
I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on my 
very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot anyway. So 
I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually sounds good. I’m 
talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just the sort of speakers 
that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of b and w MM ones on my 
Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. They are very nice, but 
I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC where I probably won’t listen 
to boatloads of excellent music. Still, regular cheap computer speakers are 
really not what I’m looking for. Any suggestions?
Mary


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Re: Good PC speakers

[Byron Stephens]

The z623 speakers from logitech are one of the best, if you can still find 
them.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>

To: <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Good PC speakers


Hi folks,
I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on 
my very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot 
anyway. So I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually 
sounds good. I’m talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just 
the sort of speakers that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of 
b and w MM ones on my Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. 
They are very nice, but I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC 
where I probably won’t listen to boatloads of excellent music. Still, 
regular cheap computer speakers are really not what I’m looking for. Any 
suggestions?

Mary


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Good PC speakers

[Mary Otten]

Hi folks,
I am going to have to purchase a new PC. I have some rather old speakers on my 
very old PC, and I’m going to get rid of them. There about half shot anyway. So 
I wonder what folks are using on PCs these days that actually sounds good. I’m 
talking to a custom builder, and he was talking about just the sort of speakers 
that would plug into a line out Jack. I have a pair of b and w MM ones on my 
Mac, those are USB. And I’ve had them for a few years. They are very nice, but 
I’m not sure I need something like that on a PC where I probably won’t listen 
to boatloads of excellent music. Still, regular cheap computer speakers are 
really not what I’m looking for. Any suggestions?
Mary


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Re: Echo Dot Paired To Bluetooth Speakers/Headphones

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep that's absolutely right.

The Bluetooth pairng is convenient though and I like the idea of being 
able to stream to and from the Dot.


Actually the stereo line-ount connection makes the Dot incredibly 
flexible, suppose you have an iPhone or something similar, you can 
stream to the Dot and output that to a pair of wired stereo speakers.


I prefer the buttons for volume control rather than having the ring 
around the top of the device as the Echo does.




On 12/02/2017 1:11 PM, Clifford Blackwell wrote:
I would think having the Echo Dot would mean looking at a good set of 
wired stereo speakers or a wired connection to a stereo receiver or 
amp.  The blue tooth is nice, but one big advantage to the Dot is 
being able to get a stereo signal.
- Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
<grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: Echo Dot Paired To Bluetooth Speakers/Headphones


Something nice I noticed when I paired my Amazon Echo Dot to my B T7 
bluetooth speaker.
I can easily ski backwards and forwards between tracks using the 
Transport buttons so if your Bluetooth device does have transport 
buttons then you’ll most likely to be able to use these along with 
Voice commands and so on.
Now that I have my Amazon Echo Dot here its given me incentive to take 
a look at the new B
Zeppelin <http://www.whathifi.com/bw/zeppelin-wireless/review> 
wireless speaker which has both Bluetooth and AirPlay.




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Re: Echo Dot Paired To Bluetooth Speakers/Headphones

[Clifford Blackwell]

I would think having the Echo Dot would mean looking at a good set of wired 
stereo speakers or a wired connection to a stereo receiver or amp.  The blue 
tooth is nice, but one big advantage to the Dot is being able to get a 
stereo signal.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: Echo Dot Paired To Bluetooth Speakers/Headphones


Something nice I noticed when I paired my Amazon Echo Dot to my B T7 
bluetooth speaker.
I can easily ski backwards and forwards between tracks using the Transport 
buttons so if your Bluetooth device does have transport buttons then you’ll 
most likely to be able to use these along with Voice commands and so on.
Now that I have my Amazon Echo Dot here its given me incentive to take a 
look at the new B
Zeppelin <http://www.whathifi.com/bw/zeppelin-wireless/review> wireless 
speaker which has both Bluetooth and AirPlay.




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Echo Dot Paired To Bluetooth Speakers/Headphones

[Dane Trethowan]

Something nice I noticed when I paired my Amazon Echo Dot to my B T7 
bluetooth speaker.
I can easily ski backwards and forwards between tracks using the Transport 
buttons so if your Bluetooth device does have transport buttons then you’ll 
most likely to be able to use these along with Voice commands and so on.
Now that I have my Amazon Echo Dot here its given me incentive to take a look 
at the new B 
Zeppelin  wireless speaker 
which has both Bluetooth and AirPlay.


 
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Hands-On Review: B MM-1 Multimedia Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

The review linked to here is the most detailed I've seen on the product 
and its refreshing to see that some people take reviewing a product 
seriously.

https://www.lifewire.com/b-w-mm-1-speaker-review-3276511

RE: Cassia Hub handles multi-room audio with any Bluetooth speakers

[Tony]

The hype on this device makes it sound like a wireless hub.  The first time
I checked the site it implied it only broadcast iPhone Bluetooth.  This
sounds like it works with any audio signal but still isn't clear if it is
wired or will rebroadcast a Bluetooth signal.

They claim 1000 foot range or three walls.  My 30 foot devices can handle
two and sometimes three walls.  Is the open range really 1000 foot?

Also, can I use voice control on my iPhone or other device from 100 feet
away?

I haven't found any thing on their site to answer these questions.  If
anyone has more information I would be interested.

Thanks

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:37 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Cassia Hub handles multi-room audio with any Bluetooth speakers

This could be an interesting device for people who don't use airplay, and
don't have the big bucks to spend on a full Sonos system.
Mary
Cassia Hub handles multi-room audio with any Bluetooth speakers TUAW - The
Unofficial Apple Weblog


We first met the Cassia Hub back at CES, a device that offered the similar
connectivity to a WiFi router but for Bluetooth. Now the company is
announcing a new feature that will allow owners of that Bluetooth "router" a
way to connect their wireless speakers for multi-room audio. The new tool is
called BlueStream and it works with any Bluetooth speakers alongside the
company's Hub.

Once your speakers are connected to Cassia's Hub, you can stream music from
the likes of Apple Music, Spotify and other sources just like you would to a
single wireless unit, only now the audio is sent to multiple devices.
Instead of connecting to one of the speakers, you link your phone, tablet or
even an Amazon Echo to the Hub to play tunes.

The BlueStream feature will be available as a firmware update to existing
Cassia Hub owners. If you haven't nabbed one yet, the Bluetooth device will
set you back $150. And if you require speakers to make use of that new tool,
Cassia has a 360-degree model for $80.



Original Article:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/11/cassia-hub-bluestream-multi-room-audio-b
luetooth/


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Cassia Hub handles multi-room audio with any Bluetooth speakers

[Mary Otten]

This could be an interesting device for people who don't use airplay, and don't 
have the big bucks to spend on a full Sonos system.
Mary
Cassia Hub handles multi-room audio with any Bluetooth speakers
TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog


We first met the Cassia Hub back at CES, a device that offered the similar 
connectivity to a WiFi router but for Bluetooth. Now the company is announcing 
a new feature that will allow owners of that Bluetooth "router" a way to 
connect their wireless speakers for multi-room audio. The new tool is called 
BlueStream and it works with any Bluetooth speakers alongside the company's Hub.

Once your speakers are connected to Cassia's Hub, you can stream music from the 
likes of Apple Music, Spotify and other sources just like you would to a single 
wireless unit, only now the audio is sent to multiple devices. Instead of 
connecting to one of the speakers, you link your phone, tablet or even an 
Amazon Echo to the Hub to play tunes.

The BlueStream feature will be available as a firmware update to existing 
Cassia Hub owners. If you haven't nabbed one yet, the Bluetooth device will set 
you back $150. And if you require speakers to make use of that new tool, Cassia 
has a 360-degree model for $80.



Original Article: 
https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/11/cassia-hub-bluestream-multi-room-audio-bluetooth/


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AirPlay Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!
Since we’ve been discussing airPlay quite a bit lately I thought it time to ask 
the question again, is there a good portable AirPlay speaker still available?
I don’t know the exact answer to that question but if you’re talking about a 
good quality portable AirPlay speaker then I would suggest that such a thing is 
rather thin on the ground.
The irony of all this is that I bought - what I believe to be - one of the best 
Portable Airplay speaker systems to have been produced in the form of the Bose 
Soundlink Air, that was 3 years ago so this model is no longer available.
The Bose Soundlink Air even sounded far different than the usual run of the 
mill stuff from Bose exhibiting quite nice highs, quite a bit of mid range and 
not the overpowering bass you usually hear from Bose stuff.
So why isn’t the Bose Soundlink Air being sold any longer? Well battery life 
isn’t very good at around 3 hours on high volume but I can assure you that no 
one in their right mind would listen to the Bose Soundlink Air at anywhere near 
high volume but - suppose you did - you’d still hear lovely clear sound, how 
the Bose Soundlink Air can still pump out sound with no distortion at such a 
volume in a portable is truly remarkable.
The other problem with the Soundlink Air was that it didn’t actually come with 
a battery, that accessory was sold separately costing a good quarter of the 
value of the system itself but still, well worth it it you wanted a truly 
portable system with a good sound.
Setup is easy enough and the Bose can connect to your iPhone in three different 
ways, “Wi-Fi Direct mode”, the phone communicates directly with the Soundlink 
Air, “Standard Wi-Fi”, the Soundlink Air joins your Home Network via Wi-Fi and 
the Aux-in jack, your choice.
The soundlink Air comes with a very nice remote control that puts volume and 
track selection at your fingertips, though the buttons look like your rotten 
typical rubbery cheap remote control buttons they’re far from cheap, the rubber 
covers nice clicky type buttons, you feel and hear them click.
So why am I mentioning the Soundlink Air if its not available any longer? I did 
find a couple of new Soundlink Air’s available at very reasonable prices to my 
way of thinking, around half of what they were worth originally so - given that 
and if you’re looking for a good AirPlay speaker with plenty of flexibility and 
functionality - then the Bose Soundlink Air - if you can still buy it - is a 
true bargain which you’ll treasure for quite a long time.
List members may remember that I recorded a sample of the Soundlink Air which I 
posted to the list quite some time ago.
And finally, if other list members have suggestions for a good portable AirPlay 
speaker then perhaps they could post them, always interested to hear about 
other devices.
Another good portable AirPlay speaker one might consider is the Denon Cocoon, 
the Cocoon is more functional than the Bose Soundlink Air but is nowhere near 
as powerful.

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Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hmm.. not sure as yet, going to go and hear them but one thing is for sure I 
reckon, whatever I choose I certainly won’t be disappointed.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 5:01 am, Walter <w...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Which floor standers are you thinking about?  CM9, CM10 or are you going to 
> splash out for the 800 series?  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 18:47
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> Thanks for that.
> I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
> music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a 
> couple of different sources.
> I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
> RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
> lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
> speakers.
> I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
> now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
> I’ll tackle them first.
> I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
> Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>
> 
>> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter <w...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
>> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
>> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
>> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
>> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very 
>> respectful nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that 
>> makes a world of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better 
>> system because the set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet 
>> apart while the CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the 
>> system upstairs is much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I 
>> should sell my downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if 
>> truth is told, the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even 
>> sure the CM9s have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking 
>> about the 800 series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>> 
>> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
>> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
>> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
>> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
>> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
>> even that will take a bit of time to get.
>> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
>> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
>> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
>> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
>> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane
>>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>>> B MT1 rear speakers
>>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>>> 
>>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The 
>>> fact I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the 
>>> products. Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them 
>>> either! I am still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a 
>>> driver a couple of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as 
>>> I was warned there weren't many left.
>>> 
>>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front 
>>> speakers built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the 
>>> living room completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated 
>>> my previous floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Walter]

Which floor standers are you thinking about?  CM9, CM10 or are you going to 
splash out for the 800 series?  Walter.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 04 October 2016 18:47
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Thanks for that.
I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a couple 
of different sources.
I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
speakers.
I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
I’ll tackle them first.
I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter <w...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful 
> nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world 
> of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the 
> set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the 
> CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is 
> much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my 
> downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, 
> the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s 
> have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking about the 800 
> series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>
> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
> even that will take a bit of time to get.
> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
>
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dane
>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>> B MT1 rear speakers
>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>>
>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
>> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. 
>> Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am 
>> still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple 
>> of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned 
>> there weren't many left.
>>
>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
>> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
>> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
>> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the 
>> trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in 
>> all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was 
>> a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear 
>> speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have 
>> to replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same 
>> size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate 
>> piece of furniture. Secretly I would 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Thanks for that.
I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a couple 
of different sources.
I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
speakers.
I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
I’ll tackle them first.
I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter <w...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful 
> nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world 
> of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the 
> set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the 
> CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is 
> much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my 
> downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, 
> the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s 
> have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking about the 800 
> series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
> even that will take a bit of time to get.
> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dane
>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>> B MT1 rear speakers
>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>> 
>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
>> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. 
>> Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am 
>> still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple 
>> of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned 
>> there weren't many left.
>> 
>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
>> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
>> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
>> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the 
>> trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in 
>> all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was 
>> a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear 
>> speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have 
>> to replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same 
>> size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate 
>> piece of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing 
>> speakers one day but she will kill me!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
&g

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Walter]

Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has the 
B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful speakers.  
They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful nonetheless. 
 I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world of a 
difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the set up 
is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the CM5s are 8 
Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is much more 
superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my downstairs system.  
At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, the downstairs system 
has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s have been fully run in.  
After the CM series you are talking about the 800 series but then, you are also 
talking funny money.  Walter.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor standing 
models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in price from 
around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though secretly I’m 
hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and even that will 
take a bit of time to get.
Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an eye 
opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some people 
were born with ears on the top of their heads.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dane
> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
> B MT1 rear speakers
> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>
> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
> you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
> very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
> ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
> many left.
>
> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing 
> cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire 
> I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of 
> hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers 
> plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to 
> replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same size 
> that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece 
> of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing speakers one 
> day but she will kill me!
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>
> Hi John!
> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to 
> go by - then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional 
> comments?
>
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim
>> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have 
>> the Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
>> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
>> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
>> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
>> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
>> surprisingly excellent with these music sourc

Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor standing 
models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in price from 
around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though secretly I’m 
hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and even that will 
take a bit of time to get.
Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an eye 
opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some people 
were born with ears on the top of their heads.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dane
> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers 
> B MT1 rear speakers 
> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
> 
> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
> you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
> very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
> ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
> many left. 
> 
> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing 
> cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire 
> I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of 
> hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers 
> plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to 
> replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same size 
> that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece 
> of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing speakers one 
> day but she will kill me!
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> Hi John!
> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to 
> go by - then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional 
> comments?
> 
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim
>> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have 
>> the Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
>> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
>> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
>> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
>> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
>> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
>> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around 
>> to listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
>> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by 
>> which I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD 
>> quality is very good. 
>> 
>> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
>> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
>> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
>> good for their size.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
>> 
>> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
>> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
>> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App a

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Lol ah girls. Yes I hear this over and over again on home theater geeks. The 
Wife axeptency factor. Lol. So some boys sacrifice half of the story just to 
keep the wife happy. I don't know man. I can kinda see their point but come on 
now, you need true Dolby Atmos to get the full story.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 7:59 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi Dane
Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers B MT1 rear speakers Linn Sizmik 
sub-woofer

Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact I 
have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
many left. 

The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous floor 
standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing cables. 
She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire I have 
around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of hiding the 
cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers plastered into the 
wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to replace the front speakers 
I will either have to find something the same size that will fit the cabinet or 
get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece of furniture. Secretly I would 
like to go back to floor standing speakers one day but she will kill me!

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi John!
You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system so 
which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing models 
for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if the B 
A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to go by - 
then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional comments?

> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have the 
> Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around to 
> listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by which 
> I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD quality is 
> very good. 
> 
> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
> good for their size.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
> 
> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>> <jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HiGang:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos 
>> Connect Amp":?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Dane
Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers 
B MT1 rear speakers 
Linn Sizmik sub-woofer

Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact I 
have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
many left. 

The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous floor 
standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing cables. 
She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire I have 
around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of hiding the 
cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers plastered into the 
wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to replace the front speakers 
I will either have to find something the same size that will fit the cabinet or 
get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece of furniture. Secretly I would 
like to go back to floor standing speakers one day but she will kill me!

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi John!
You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system so 
which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing models 
for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if the B 
A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to go by - 
then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional comments?

> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have the 
> Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around to 
> listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by which 
> I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD quality is 
> very good. 
> 
> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
> good for their size.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
> 
> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>> <jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HiGang:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos 
>> Connect Amp":?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi John!
You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system so 
which models do you have? I’m looking at their range of floor standing models 
for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if the B 
A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I’ve owned are anything to go by - 
then a year’s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional comments?

> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have the 
> Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around to 
> listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by which 
> I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD quality is 
> very good. 
> 
> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
> good for their size.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
> 
> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>> <jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HiGang:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos Connect 
>> Amp":?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Connecting PC to speakers

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello

try hooking the speakers up to the head phone jack instead of the 
microphone jack, and hopefully that should take care of the problem.


hope this helps

Hank



On 9/14/2016 8:28 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Hi. I can't get my PC to send sound to my stereo system's speakers. Let me 
explain. You'll soon see that I'm less than an amateur at this.

The default speakers on my PC are MM1s. As many of you know, they don't rely on 
any on-board soundcard. Eight years ago, my PC was also connected by wire to my 
stereo system, in another part of the room. My PC has since been replaced, and 
that connection to the stereo was lost. For better or worse, the guy who 
installed the stereo ran the wire behind the wall, up over the ceiling and down 
to the back of the stereo. (My apartment was being completely renovated at the 
time.)

As far as I can tell, that wire hooked into my Pc's microphone jack. I can 
confirm that there's a wire that comes out of the baseboard that does seem to 
correspond to the microphone jack. It is now plugged in to that jack.

However, I still can't get the stereo to play. As I said, the MM1s are my 
default and I want them to stay that way. I've tried to configure the on-board 
soundcard to work with my stereo speakers, but without success.

That's the best I can do to explain the problem. Can anyone suggest a solution 
or tell me where I've gone wrong?

Thanks.

Connecting PC to speakers

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi. I can't get my PC to send sound to my stereo system's speakers. Let me 
explain. You'll soon see that I'm less than an amateur at this.

The default speakers on my PC are MM1s. As many of you know, they don't rely on 
any on-board soundcard. Eight years ago, my PC was also connected by wire to my 
stereo system, in another part of the room. My PC has since been replaced, and 
that connection to the stereo was lost. For better or worse, the guy who 
installed the stereo ran the wire behind the wall, up over the ceiling and down 
to the back of the stereo. (My apartment was being completely renovated at the 
time.)

As far as I can tell, that wire hooked into my Pc's microphone jack. I can 
confirm that there's a wire that comes out of the baseboard that does seem to 
correspond to the microphone jack. It is now plugged in to that jack.

However, I still can't get the stereo to play. As I said, the MM1s are my 
default and I want them to stay that way. I've tried to configure the on-board 
soundcard to work with my stereo speakers, but without success.

That's the best I can do to explain the problem. Can anyone suggest a solution 
or tell me where I've gone wrong?

Thanks.

Bowers And Wilkins Speakers And Access To Society Of Sound Music

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!
Someone on list bought a Bowers And Wilkins product and asked about their 
entitlement for 3 months access to the Society Of Sound music programme.
I believe I have the answer, you must register your product and from that point 
you can take advantage of this offer, I’ve just done this with my Bowers And 
Wilkins A7 speaker system though I registered my product using the Bowers And 
Wilkins App and I don’t think you can use the App to do this with say computer 
speakers that don’t have network connectivity.
It would seem therefor that you’ll have to at least find the support page for 
your speakers on the Bowers And Wilkins web site, easy enough to do with Google 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Casey, 
I don't live in the US so can't tell you but I imagine Amazon might be a good 
start.

John



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: 24 August 2016 01:56
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi sorry I didn't state this before I live in the united states.
So where can I get one of thees cards and how much would I have to shell out 
for on in the states?
Sorry I didn't say that before.

a
--
Casey

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Casey]

Hi sorry I didn't state this before I live in the united states.
So where can I get one of thees cards and how much would I have to shell 
out for on in the states?

Sorry I didn't say that before.

a
--
Casey

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

As I'm a full-time Mac user I might be able to answer some of these 
questions.


Regarding a drive? The Mac OS will read Windows NTFS formatted and FAT 
formatted drives however - by default - the Mac cannot write to these 
drives so - if you need to write to a drive - you'll need something like 
NTFS For Mac from Paragon software.


The utility is invisible to the user pretty much, it sists in the Mac 
System preferences.


That's one of the reasons actually why I decided to store all my music 
on Dropbox, sync is pretty much automatic and I don't have to worry 
about what format is compatible and what isn't, can play music on just 
about any media player and so on.


If you're using iTunes on your Windows PC then make sure you use the 
same iTuens ID with your Mac and be sure that both computers are 
registered, I think you might need iTunes Match as well to allow syncing 
of music across your registered devices..


Copy protection of DVD'S and the like is a problem but there are 
packages out there that handle it, DVD Remaster Pro for the Mac is one 
example and I have one for the Windows PC though can't remember the name 
of it off hand.




On 24/08/2016 6:06 AM, John Gurd wrote:

Hi Andy,
I don't use a Mac as yet, but I'm sure you won't have a problem getting your 
music, MP3's and the like, onto your Mac. I was talking about media like DVDs 
that's got copyright protection built in. I think the only issue transferring 
data is that Apple Macs use a different file system on hard drives, so an 
external drive might need to be converted from NTFS to something an Apple or 
both machines can use. One thought might be to use a NAS to store stuff you 
want to access from both machines as they can be set up to be seen by both. 
Someone more qualified than I might point you in the right direction, and of 
course, as Dane would say, Google is your friend. :)

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 23 August 2016 20:49
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection!

I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either through 
movies, books or music is my life.  So I'd just hate to face restrictions from 
Apple that would make life even more difficult for me.  A friend told me the 
other day that my Imac may not accept data from my external hard drives, which 
contain all of my stuff.

If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade my 
Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17.

It is sad isn't it.  I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft on 
my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling!


Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I
want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the
built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really
nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't
integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one
company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a
PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little
thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP)
which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned:
like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy.
And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it
detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life
could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big
corporations.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going
to happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units
or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only
people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the
benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even
thinking about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Andy,
I don't use a Mac as yet, but I'm sure you won't have a problem getting your 
music, MP3's and the like, onto your Mac. I was talking about media like DVDs 
that's got copyright protection built in. I think the only issue transferring 
data is that Apple Macs use a different file system on hard drives, so an 
external drive might need to be converted from NTFS to something an Apple or 
both machines can use. One thought might be to use a NAS to store stuff you 
want to access from both machines as they can be set up to be seen by both. 
Someone more qualified than I might point you in the right direction, and of 
course, as Dane would say, Google is your friend. :)

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 23 August 2016 20:49
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection!

I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either through 
movies, books or music is my life.  So I'd just hate to face restrictions from 
Apple that would make life even more difficult for me.  A friend told me the 
other day that my Imac may not accept data from my external hard drives, which 
contain all of my stuff.

If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade my 
Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17.

It is sad isn't it.  I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft on 
my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling!


Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I 
want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the 
built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really 
nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't 
integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one 
company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a 
PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little 
thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) 
which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: 
like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. 
And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it 
detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life 
could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big 
corporations.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going 
to happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units 
or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only 
people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the 
benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
thinking about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit 
it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!




- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an
exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main
machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then
getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of th

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Andy]

Hi John.

Don't frighten me with words such as copywright protection!

I've spent a load of cash on my Imac and Macbook pro, and audio, either 
through movies, books or music is my life.  So I'd just hate to face 
restrictions from Apple that would make life even more difficult for me.  A 
friend told me the other day that my Imac may not accept data from my 
external hard drives, which contain all of my stuff.


If what you say turns out to be the case, then i'd probably keep and upgrade 
my Microsoft stuff, now that I've got JAWS 17.


It is sad isn't it.  I'd just love to do the stuff I do now with Microsoft 
on my new Apple equipment, but I've got this funny feeling!



Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I 
want without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the 
built-in iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really 
nice nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't 
integrate well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one 
company. And what a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a 
PC these days! As for HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little 
thing built in called High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) 
which you will find will stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: 
like you can listen, but you certainly can't record and definitely not copy. 
And because of that, it refuses to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it 
detects you are using equipment not certified for HDCP. So frankly, life 
could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for the jealousy and rivalry of some big 
corporations.


John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going 
to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units 
or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only 
people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the 
benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit 
it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an
exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main
machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then
getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified
5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use
a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless
headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other
rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and
age but as they're quite elderly I want something better.

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or
receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection
of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the
ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less
time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for
movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stere

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Andy 
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want 
without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in 
iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice 
nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate 
well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what 
a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for 
HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called 
High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will 
stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you 
certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses 
to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not 
certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for 
the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to 
happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or 
amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people 
like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be able 
to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking 
about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it 
and post it again without any effort whatsoever!




- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an 
exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main 
machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then 
getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 
5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use 
a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless 
headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other 
rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and 
age but as they're quite elderly I want something better.

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or 
receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection 
of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the 
ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less 
time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for 
movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.

I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked 
the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal 
one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the 
external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower 
bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no 
longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections 
inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. 
They are fine for stereo though.

Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) 
as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out 
and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room 
speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was succes

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Eo Laprte hates that. I've seen it happen.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:32 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers

Hi Andy
You're right. It still annoys me that I can't connect all the equipment I want 
without a lot of rigmarole. Sonos will let me play music from the built-in 
iPhone app but not other apps such as NatureSpace which has really nice 
nature/relaxation tracks. A lot of Apple and Microsoft products don't integrate 
well - deliberately so in order to force you to stay with one company. And what 
a carry-on it can be getting music onto an iPhone from a PC these days! As for 
HDMI, it's great when it works, but it has a little thing built in called 
High-bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which you will find will 
stop you doing some of the things you mentioned: like you can listen, but you 
certainly can't record and definitely not copy. And because of that, it refuses 
to play certain media such as Blu-ray if it detects you are using equipment not 
certified for HDCP. So frankly, life could be a lot simpler if it wasn't for 
the jealousy and rivalry of some big corporations.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 21 August 2016 21:15
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to 
happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or 
amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people 
like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be able 
to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking 
about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it 
and post it again without any effort whatsoever!




- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers 
for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. 
But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine 
which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid 
of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified
5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a 
splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless 
headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. 
The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as 
they're quite elderly I want something better.

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. 
It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based 
HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of 
outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I 
used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround 
sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.

I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked 
the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one 
called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card 
was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think 
when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for 
external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 
channels without reducing the sound quality. 
They are fine for stereo though.

Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thin

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Casey
Yes, you can get the ZX today for £99 but I just realised that mine is the ZXR 
which unfortunately Creative are selling for £199, but I think you can get it 
elsewhere much cheaper. 

The difference is that the ZX is really for gaming and uses a pretty good 
Cirrus Logic DAC for all channels. However, the ZXR uses the same DAC rear and 
centre but for front stereo it uses a high end Burr-Brown DAC. Also as it is 
aimed at audiophiles and those interested in studio level recording it has a 
daughter board (which sports another set of audio inputs/outputs) that takes up 
an additional slot in the PC. It also has a small module with audio cable that 
allows it to be placed round the front of the PC with a volume control, 
built-in mike, a couple of headphone jacks and microphone jacks. So you get a 
lot of hardware for your bucks and it's debatable if you would use it all if 
you simply want to listen to music which to be honest is what I mostly do with 
it. There is no question that for outputting surround sound from a PC using 
analogue connections it is very good indeed. It can also drive headphones of up 
to 600 ohm. You could probably get away with something much cheaper if all you 
want to do is digital pass through.

As for the other part of your query, the software control panel is mostly 
accessible - at least for the parts I use with Jaws. There are a couple of 
unlabelled controls and buttons but all of the audio processing effects and DSP 
effects can be adjusted. A separate app for setting up speaker configuration is 
tricky but not impossible. I tend to use the Windows set up wizard when I want 
to, say, change from 5.1 to 2.0 speaker configuration.

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: 20 August 2016 17:27
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card.
Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any of its 
settings with your screen reader?
Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and for what 
price roughly?


--
Casey

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Kulvinder Singh Bhogal]

Hi there

I do have an FM transmitter that I used for years and years happily.

Mine goes from 87.5Mhz up to 108Mhz and it served me very well till I got the 
current setup.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com>
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 22 Aug 2016, at 00:59, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Always interested to hear about that sort of thing given one of my favourite 
> hobbies is streaming audio/video about the house.
> 
> There are dozens of similar devices about the place, I saw something similar 
> to what you described, the dongle plugs into the USB port as yours does and 
> from there it acts as a Sound Device so you output your Software player - VLC 
> for example - or set it to a system default sound device.
> 
> The difference with this device and yours is that you use a FM tuner to 
> receive the output.
> 
> Common place yes I hear you cry but the difference with this USB transmitter 
> was that the frequency range went down to 76MHZ therefore not all tuners 
> could easily receive it obviously but there are a hell of a lot of radios and 
> tuners that do go down that far.
> 
> The obvious advantage of using a frequency below 88MHZ is that its not likely 
> to enterfere with anything else.
> 
> Quality wasn't as good as other streaming methods I use but still, its better 
> than nothing at all.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/08/2016 8:22 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal wrote:
>> Hi there
>> 
>> If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution 
>> that I have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender 
>> from Lyndy Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while.
>> 
>> The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via 
>> RCA or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant 
>> connecters on it.
>> 
>> Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that 
>> has stood the test of time, smiles.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Kulvinder Bhogal
>> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
>> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com>
>> Skypename: bobba2006
>> 
>>> On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to 
>>> integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which 
>>> integrates.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote:
>>>> That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and 
>>>> use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there 
>>>> is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've 
>>>> fallen off the wagon by design.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a 
>>>>> computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average 
>>>>> user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI 
>>>>> input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your 
>>>>> computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's 
>>>>> it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or 
>>>>> device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues 
>>>>> going through a control panel or App of a Sound device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>>>> Hi again John.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> God, it's getting even more complicated eh?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
>>>>>> going to happen is it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
>>>>>> units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and 
>>>>>> it's only people like us who may know a

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Always interested to hear about that sort of thing given one of my 
favourite hobbies is streaming audio/video about the house.


There are dozens of similar devices about the place, I saw something 
similar to what you described, the dongle plugs into the USB port as 
yours does and from there it acts as a Sound Device so you output your 
Software player - VLC for example - or set it to a system default sound 
device.


The difference with this device and yours is that you use a FM tuner to 
receive the output.


Common place yes I hear you cry but the difference with this USB 
transmitter was that the frequency range went down to 76MHZ therefore 
not all tuners could easily receive it obviously but there are a hell of 
a lot of radios and tuners that do go down that far.


The obvious advantage of using a frequency below 88MHZ is that its not 
likely to enterfere with anything else.


Quality wasn't as good as other streaming methods I use but still, its 
better than nothing at all.




On 22/08/2016 8:22 AM, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal wrote:

Hi there

If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution that I 
have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender from Lyndy 
Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while.

The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via RCA 
or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant 
connecters on it.

Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that has 
stood the test of time, smiles.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com>
Skypename: bobba2006


On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to 
integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which integrates.



On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote:

That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and use 
a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is a 
dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've fallen off 
the wagon by design.
- Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers



I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a computer 
is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user and that's 
the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input on your 
modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your computer, select the 
appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to 
connect from your computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry 
about and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a 
Sound device.



On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going to 
happen is it?

Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units or 
amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only people 
like us who may know a little about these things that gain the benefits.

One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be able 
to play audio from any device through your home system, without even thinking 
about it.

I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.

Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit it 
and post it again without any effort whatsoever!




- Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers 
for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. 
But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine 
which sometimes h

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Kulvinder Singh Bhogal]

Hi there

If I may just put my pence worth in here and mention a wireless solution that I 
have used for a year or two now and it is a USB digital audio sender from Lyndy 
Electronics, excuse the spelling since it has been a while.

The USB dongle plugs in to any available port and the receiver wires up via RCA 
or quarter or eighth jack in to any amp that you have with the relevant 
connecters on it.

Hope this is of use to those of you who still, like me, have equipment that has 
stood the test of time, smiles.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com <mailto:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com>
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 21 Aug 2016, at 22:33, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to 
> integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which integrates.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote:
>> That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and 
>> use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is 
>> a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've 
>> fallen off the wagon by design.
>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>> 
>> 
>>> I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a 
>>> computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user 
>>> and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input 
>>> on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your 
>>> computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's 
>>> it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, 
>>> no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going 
>>> through a control panel or App of a Sound device.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>> Hi again John.
>>>> 
>>>> God, it's getting even more complicated eh?
>>>> 
>>>> I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going 
>>>> to happen is it?
>>>> 
>>>> Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units 
>>>> or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only 
>>>> people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the 
>>>> benefits.
>>>> 
>>>> One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
>>>> able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
>>>> thinking about it.
>>>> 
>>>> I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
>>>> threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
>>>> could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and 
>>>> edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
>>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>> That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
>>>> speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are 
>>>> an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.
>>>> 
>>>> My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
>>>> instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours 
>>>> minus the PC.
>>>> 
>>>> Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound 
>>>> cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an 
>>>> amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to 
>>>> broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went 
>>>> wrong with my main mac

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

That's true it doesn't so you have a clear choice, go vintage and try to 
integrate the modern standards or just use modern equipment which 
integrates.




On 22/08/2016 6:22 AM, Byron Stephens wrote:
That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage 
and use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And 
there is a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that 
stuff. I've fallen off the wagon by design.
- Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
<grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers


I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to 
a computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the 
average user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your 
computer to a HDMI input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the 
HDMI output from your computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on 
your AVR system and that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your 
computers sound card or device, no multiple settings to worry about 
and no accessibility issues going through a control panel or App of a 
Sound device.




On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
going to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and 
it's only people like us who may know a little about these things 
that gain the benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology 
, be able to play audio from any device through your home system, 
without even thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all 
these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more 
complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound 
and you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen 
to it and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked 
to are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a 
possibility.


My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to 
yours minus the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 
sound cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through 
an amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used 
to broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when 
things went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. 
Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid of redundant 
equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that 
can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a 
splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style 
wireless headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from 
my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound 
reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite elderly I 
want something better.


I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up 
in my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about 
an amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my 
small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though 
although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 
virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing 
that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround 
sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.


I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've 
always liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top 
card is an internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The 
reason I gave up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if 
it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes 
standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for external 
cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 
channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for 
stereo though.


Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm 
even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the 
Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It 
has a line in as well as out and therefore 

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Andy]

Yes, I agre so much
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers


I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a 
computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user 
and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input 
on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your 
computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's 
it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, 
no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going 
through a control panel or App of a Sound device.




On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
going to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's 
only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain 
the benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and 
you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it 
and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are 
an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.


My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours 
minus the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound 
cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an 
amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to 
broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went 
wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've 
simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now 
have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound 
card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter 
that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers 
so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 
speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite 
elderly I want something better.


I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my 
PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or 
receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small 
collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's 
nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like 
Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to 
the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo 
speaker set up would do.


I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always 
liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an 
internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up 
the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a 
lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will 
no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections 
inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. 
They are fine for stereo though.


Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom 
system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as 
well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to 
my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was 
successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the 
added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and 
controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't thought this through 
properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are any snags.


Cheers

John

-Original Message-

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Byron Stephens]

That doesn't help someone who wants to go the other way and go vintage and 
use a system like the sx1980 from pioneer or the marantz 2500. And there is 
a dealer here in vancouver that sells and repairs all that stuff. I've 
fallen off the wagon by design.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers


I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a 
computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average user 
and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI input 
on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your 
computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and that's 
it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card or device, 
no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility issues going 
through a control panel or App of a Sound device.




On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
going to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's 
only people like us who may know a little about these things that gain 
the benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and 
you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it 
and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are 
an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.


My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours 
minus the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound 
cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an 
amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to 
broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went 
wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've 
simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now 
have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a sound 
card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little transmitter 
that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and portable speakers 
so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 
speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're quite 
elderly I want something better.


I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my 
PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or 
receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small 
collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's 
nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like 
Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that and I usually go to 
the living room for movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo 
speaker set up would do.


I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always 
liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an 
internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up 
the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a 
lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will 
no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections 
inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. 
They are fine for stereo though.


Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom 
system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as 
well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to 
my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was 
successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the 

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

I think one of the greatest advances for connecting AVR equipment to a 
computer is probably one of the simplist to understand for the average 
user and that's the HDMI connection, say connect your computer to a HDMI 
input on your modern-day AVR equipment, choose the HDMI output from your 
computer, select the appropriate HDMI input on your AVR system and 
that's it! no multiple leads to connect from your computers sound card 
or device, no multiple settings to worry about and no accessibility 
issues going through a control panel or App of a Sound device.




On 22/08/2016 6:14 AM, Andy wrote:

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't 
going to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV 
units or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and 
it's only people like us who may know a little about these things that 
gain the benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , 
be able to play audio from any device through your home system, 
without even thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all 
these threads together and with every year, it's getting even more 
complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and 
you could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it 
and edit it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message - From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to 
are an exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a 
possibility.


My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so 
instead I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours 
minus the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound 
cards each going through a sound mixer and then output through an 
amplifier and stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to 
broadcast on internet radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things 
went wrong with my main machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've 
simplified things since then getting rid of redundant equipment. I now 
have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems that can plug into a 
sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to a little 
transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and 
portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The 
Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age 
but as they're quite elderly I want something better.


I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in 
my PC den you are probably right and I would have to think about an 
amp or receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my 
small collection of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though 
although it's nice having the ability of outputting music in a 5.1 
virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I used to doing that 
and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround sound, so 
maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.


I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always 
liked the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an 
internal one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave 
up the external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed 
to a lower bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out 
this will no longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink 
connections inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the 
sound quality. They are fine for stereo though.


Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm 
even thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the 
Livingroom system) as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has 
a line in as well as out and therefore could carry audio from my PC 
simultaneously to my room speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my 
bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in 
the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple Music and 
Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't 
thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if 
there are any snags.


Cheers

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you 
about my own experien

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Andy]

Hi again John.

God, it's getting even more complicated eh?

I'd just love, like yourself, to keep it simple, but it simply isn't going 
to happen is it?


Good quality audio from computers, TV's and interfacing that with AV units 
or amps has historically resulted in multiple complexities and it's only 
people like us who may know a little about these things that gain the 
benefits.


One day you will with no understanding whatsoever  about technology , be 
able to play audio from any device through your home system, without even 
thinking about it.


I really couldn't tell you what was the best method of drawing all these 
threads together and with every year, it's getting even more complicated.


Wouldn't it be nice to buy a good computer with high quality sound and you 
could simply download audio from Itunes or otherwise, listen to it and edit 
it and post it again without any effort whatsoever!





- Original Message - 
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop 
speakers for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an 
exception. But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.


My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.


Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main 
machine which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then 
getting rid of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 
5.1 systems that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use 
a splitter to a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless 
headphones and portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other 
rooms. The Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and 
age but as they're quite elderly I want something better.


I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or 
receiver. It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection 
of PC-based HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the 
ability of outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less 
time than I used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for 
movies in surround sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.


I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked 
the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal 
one called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the 
external card was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower 
bitrate. I think when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no 
longer be an issue for external cards. Optical toslink connections 
inherently can't handle 5.1 channels without reducing the sound quality. 
They are fine for stereo though.


Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) 
as an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out 
and therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room 
speakers and to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I 
could add Sonos speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of 
letting me use Apple Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an 
iPhone app. I haven't thought this through properly so I'm going to 
experiment to see if there are any snags.


Cheers

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about 
my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before 
you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.


Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.


I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.


In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card 
going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and 
Pioneer DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 spea

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Let's take channel separation on its own as that's an interesting one.


No, the cheaper devices such as Logitech or the cheaper JBL probably 
couldn't give a damn about that but in the higher end devices such as 
those from B its taken svery seriously.
In the A7 for example the DSP circuitry handles all that and it does a 
surprising job for such a small unit as the A7 is.
Some systems such as Sonos and a lot of the bose expect you to purchase 
two units if you actually want stereo and Sonos in particular don't do 
an incredible job of telling people that it seems.


On 21/08/2016 12:29 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Amen bro. Yeah I kinda figured Logitech didn't really care. Just cause there 
audio catalog ain't all that big. They're more about mice keyboards and so on. 
So understood. Gimics is another problem. I think Bose may do some of that. 
Some SRS like stuff. Some bose speakers like the SL Mini and stuff like that 
don't have enough channel ceperation. The OEI headphones thankfully do a bit 
more. So yeah there's that too.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the 
discussion.
Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve made 
some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t interested in 
Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell and how much of 
it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a name for audio 
quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and you hear those 
names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions.
Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, 
I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option 
would appear to be one.
Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t 
afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I read 
reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality names like 
B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, whistles and 
gimmicks but for good quality sound.


On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef 
is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy of mine. So I 
didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another homy 
had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the things 
I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose 
or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned 
Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed sound 
second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like.


Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its worth the 
wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B A7 and as I've 
already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B




On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp
enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though 
they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're 
not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are crisp 
and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I will 
admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 5.1. 
But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you 
could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by 
the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market 
again if you know where to look.

Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.



On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

The information on these speakers is really interesting

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Ah Clypsch that's another brand I've not heard in person. Nor on youtube. I've 
heard of them though because HP's good trusty old M495C had speakers from them 
as an option.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Byron 
Stephens
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:59 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

I know klipsch are right up there with quality stuff. I've yet to get a pare of 
their promedia 2.1 set.
- Original Message -
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers


Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the 
discussion.
Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve 
made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t 
interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell 
and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a 
name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and 
you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions.
Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, 
I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option 
would appear to be one.
Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t 
afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I 
read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality 
names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, 
whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound.

> On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. 
> Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy 
> of mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've 
> heard cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher 
> also had some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved 
> Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>
> Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even 
> considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point 
> denying it and I've owned Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech 
> then that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're 
> talking premium stuff from Kef and the like.
>
>
> Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and 
> done, its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very 
> much enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop 
> speakers it will be a toss-up between Kef and B
>
>
>
>
> On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp 
>> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence 
>> though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. 
>> S Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they 
>> are Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech.
>> I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech 
>> had good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do 
>> surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do 
>> Dolby Atmos surround sound.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>>
>> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of 
>> those and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone 
>> of the market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers 
>> seem to be entering the market again if you know where to look.
>>
>> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.
>>
>>
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never 
>>> heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set 
>>> rang

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Amen bro. Yeah I kinda figured Logitech didn't really care. Just cause there 
audio catalog ain't all that big. They're more about mice keyboards and so on. 
So understood. Gimics is another problem. I think Bose may do some of that. 
Some SRS like stuff. Some bose speakers like the SL Mini and stuff like that 
don't have enough channel ceperation. The OEI headphones thankfully do a bit 
more. So yeah there's that too.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the 
discussion.
Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve 
made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t 
interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell 
and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a 
name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and 
you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions.
Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, 
I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option 
would appear to be one.
Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t 
afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I 
read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality 
names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, 
whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound.

> On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef 
> is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy of mine. So 
> I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another 
> homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the 
> things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic 
> too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered 
> Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've 
> owned Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do 
> indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the 
> like.
> 
> 
> Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its 
> worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my 
> B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a 
> toss-up between Kef and B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp 
>> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though 
>> they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're 
>> not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are 
>> crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I 
>> will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 
>> 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road 
>> you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>> 
>> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - 
>> by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
>> thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the 
>> market again if you know where to look.
>> 
>> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard 
>>> of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my 
>>> PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some 
>>> p

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Byron Stephens]

I know klipsch are right up there with quality stuff. I've yet to get a pare 
of their promedia 2.1 set.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers


Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in 
the discussion.
Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve 
made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t 
interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can 
sell and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on 
have a name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi 
magazines and you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and 
functions.
Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, 
I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option 
would appear to be one.
Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t 
afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so 
I read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great 
quality names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for 
bells, whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound.



On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. 
Kef is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy of 
mine. So I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard 
cause another homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had 
some. But of all the things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what 
I've heard JBL is epic too.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered 
Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and 
I've owned Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but 
they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef 
and the like.



Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, 
its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much 
enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will 
be a toss-up between Kef and B





On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp
enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence 
though they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S 
Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are 
Bose. So they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. 
I've heard 2 systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had 
good channel separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go 
the AV road. Going the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround 
sound.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those 
and - by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the 
market but thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be 
entering the market again if you know where to look.


Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.



On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never 
heard of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range 
for my PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. 
At some point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers 
and there is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good 
stereo PC set may be the way to go.


John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given 
the low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening 
to music and good audio quali

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay I’ll put it another way and this is just my two cents worth again in the 
discussion.
Logitech and so on are not known for audio products in general, yes they’ve 
made some good products that are classic but generally Logitech aren’t 
interested in Audio Quality as such, with Logitech its about what they can sell 
and how much of it can be sold whereas people like B, Kef and so on have a 
name for audio quality, you see the name of Kef etc in the Hi-Fi magazines and 
you hear those names talked about at Audiophile clubs and functions.
Logitech also like gimmicks as do a lot of other company’s it seems and yes, 
I’ll mention Sonos here too as they like gimmicks too, the “Trueplay” option 
would appear to be one.
Now I’m not a gimmick person, all I want is good quality audio and no, I can’t 
afford the best and I know I can’t so I want to get the best I can afford so I 
read reviews, white papers, specifications and so on and those great quality 
names like B, Kef and so on keep coming up and not so much for bells, 
whistles and gimmicks but for good quality sound.

> On 21 Aug 2016, at 10:21 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef 
> is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy of mine. So 
> I didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another 
> homy had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the 
> things I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic 
> too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered 
> Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've 
> owned Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do 
> indeed sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the 
> like.
> 
> 
> Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its 
> worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my 
> B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a 
> toss-up between Kef and B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp 
>> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though 
>> they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're 
>> not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are 
>> crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I 
>> will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 
>> 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road 
>> you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>> 
>> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - 
>> by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
>> thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the 
>> market again if you know where to look.
>> 
>> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard 
>>> of the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my 
>>> PC but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some 
>>> point I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there 
>>> is nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may 
>>> be the way to go.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Desktop computer speakers
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
>>> desktop spe

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Ah I've not heard any of these others in person. I almost heard the K 1s. Kef 
is it? But sadly I didn't end up going to Kevan's place. A  homy of mine. So I 
didn't get to hear them in person. The Logitech I've heard cause another homy 
had some and a music appreciation teacher also had some. But of all the things 
I've heard in person I loved Bose. From what I've heard JBL is epic too.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even considered Bose 
or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point denying it and I've owned 
Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then that's fine but they do indeed 
sound second rate when we're talking premium stuff from Kef and the like.


Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, its 
worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much enjoy my B 
A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it will be a toss-up 
between Kef and B




On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
> I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp 
> enough for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though 
> they are a fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S Sure they're 
> not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So they are 
> crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 systems. I 
> will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel separation for 
> 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going the AV road 
> you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers
>
> I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - 
> by the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
> thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the 
> market again if you know where to look.
>
> Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.
>
>
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
>> the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC 
>> but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point 
>> I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is 
>> nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be 
>> the way to go.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Desktop computer speakers
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
>> desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
>> low quality of computer speakers these days.
>> We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
>> model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to 
>> music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't 
>> be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
>> Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB 
>> port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other 
>> devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you 
>> need one.
>> I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review 
>> linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be 
>> required in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers 
>> myself - that's how I also imagine things 
>> http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
>>
>>
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Since I've been looking at B, Kef and the like I've not even 
considered Bose or Logitech, Yes I've owned Bose speakers, no point 
denying it and I've owned Logitech.  If you like Bose and logitech then 
that's fine but they do indeed sound second rate when we're talking 
premium stuff from Kef and the like.



Kef and B aren't all that more expensive so when all is said and done, 
its worth the wait even if you have to save your penny's, I very much 
enjoy my B A7 and as I've already said, for the Desktop speakers it 
will be a toss-up between Kef and B





On 21/08/2016 5:10 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough 
for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a 
fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S
Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So 
they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 
systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel 
separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going 
the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by 
the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market 
again if you know where to look.

Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.



On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but 
then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll 
have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing 
comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to 
go.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop 
speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality 
of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model from 
Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and good audio 
quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to 
guess the shape of these speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port 
but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices such 
as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to 
below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations 
and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine 
things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review



**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

I've heard some. They were good enough I suppose. They weren't chrisp enough 
for me though, and the bass wasn't theater like enough. Hence though they are a 
fake 5.1 system I got the Bose Companion 5 system. S
Sure they're not true 5.1, but they are USB and what's more they are Bose. So 
they are crisp and cinema like. Those other 1s were Logitech. I've heard 2 
systems. I will admit also that those that the Logitech had good channel 
separation for 5.1. But I guess were I to do surround I'd go the AV road. Going 
the AV road you could now even do Dolby Atmos surround sound.
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 10:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by 
the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market 
again if you know where to look.

Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.


> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
> the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but 
> then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll 
> have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing 
> comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way 
> to go.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
> desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
> low quality of computer speakers these days.
> We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model 
> from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and 
> good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too 
> difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
> Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port 
> but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices 
> such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one.
> I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked 
> to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most 
> situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I 
> also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Of course when we talk today's modern desktop computer speakers all that 
crap about Sound Cards and accessibility goes right out the Window - 
thank Goodness for that - as the speakers have their own sound device 
built right into them which can be directly controlled from Windows, 
Mac, LYNUX etc.





On 21/08/2016 2:26 AM, Casey wrote:

Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card.
Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any 
of its settings with your screen reader?
Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and 
for what price roughly?

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Casey]

Hi you talk3d about the sound blaster ZX internal card.
Now can you use the control panel that is with this card to adjust any 
of its settings with your screen reader?
Also can you still get one of thees sound blaster ZX cards today and for 
what price roughly?



--
Casey

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, the Kef Egg system is beautiful so - for me - its a toss-up between 
the B M1 and the Kef Eggs and there's another Yamaha system which I 
can't remember the model number of that I like.


The B M1 are superb however the others are more flexible given they 
have digital inputs, the Kef system can support an extra sub-woofer 
should you really want one - and - in the case of the Yamaha - you can 
sync it to other systems via an App, stream to them etc.




On 21/08/2016 1:08 AM, John Gurd wrote:

Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers 
for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. 
But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC.

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine 
which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid 
of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems 
that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to 
a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and 
portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec 
Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're 
quite elderly I want something better.

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. 
It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based 
HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of 
outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I 
used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround 
sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do.

I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked 
the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one 
called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card 
was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think 
when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for 
external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 
channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though.

Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as 
an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and 
therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and 
to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos 
speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple 
Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't 
thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are 
any snags.

Cheers

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my 
own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you 
spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.

Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.

I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.

In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going 
into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer 
DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system 
and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly 
because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise.

But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends  or house 
guests at home, so I have a second set-up.

in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, 
going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are 
going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining 
room.  I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up 
here, what

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Andy,
That's a thought which I'll have to ponder some more. I know desktop speakers 
for PC are nearly always rubbish but the ones Dane linked to are an exception. 
But a separate amp or receiver for my PC is a possibility.

My PC is in a den too as my wife banned PCs from the living room so instead 
I've got a high end set up in the Livingroom similar to yours minus the PC. 

Believe it or not in my PC room/den I used to have 2 PCs with 2 sound cards 
each going through a sound mixer and then output through an amplifier and 
stereo speakers. That was in the days when I used to broadcast on internet 
radio. The 2nd PC was a backup for when things went wrong with my main machine 
which sometimes happened. Anyway, I've simplified things since then getting rid 
of redundant equipment. I now have one of the few self-amplified 5.1 systems 
that can plug into a sound card without an amplifier. I also use a splitter to 
a little transmitter that lets me use the old-style wireless headphones and 
portable speakers so I can have audio from my PC in other rooms. The Logitec 
Z5500 5.1 speakers sound reasonable for their price and age but as they're 
quite elderly I want something better. 

I was hoping to keep it simple but if I wanted to keep a 5.1 set up in my PC 
den you are probably right and I would have to think about an amp or receiver. 
It would also allow me to get the best out of my small collection of PC-based 
HD recordings. To be honest though although it's nice having the ability of 
outputting music in a 5.1 virtual mix like Dolby PL2 I spend less time than I 
used to doing that and I usually go to the living room for movies in surround 
sound, so maybe a good stereo speaker set up would do. 

I've used the external Sound Blaster USB X-Fi in the past. I've always liked 
the Creative Sound Blaster range and their latest top card is an internal one 
called the ZX. I use it and it's great! The reason I gave up the external card 
was it could only handle 5.1 if it was compressed to a lower bitrate. I think 
when USB3 becomes standard with HDMI out this will no longer be an issue for 
external cards. Optical toslink connections inherently can't handle 5.1 
channels without reducing the sound quality. They are fine for stereo though. 

Anyway, I'll definitely consider the configuration you suggest. I'm even 
thinking of testing a Sonos Connect (which lives in the Livingroom system) as 
an experiment and connecting it to my PC. It has a line in as well as out and 
therefore could carry audio from my PC simultaneously to my room speakers and 
to the Sonos speakers in my bedroom. If it was successful I could add Sonos 
speakers elsewhere in the house. It has the added bonus of letting me use Apple 
Music and Amazon Prime music and controlling it from an iPhone app. I haven't 
thought this through properly so I'm going to experiment to see if there are 
any snags.

Cheers

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 20 August 2016 13:39
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my 
own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you 
spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.

Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.

I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.

In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going 
into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer 
DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system 
and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly 
because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise.

But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends  or house 
guests at home, so I have a second set-up.

in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, 
going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are 
going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining 
room.  I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up 
here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers.

I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry 
next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also.

What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top 
speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB 
Sound Card.

The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money 
on rubbish.

Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

I can’t comment on the 5.1 desktop speakers, I never used any of those and - by 
the time I even thought about using some - they’d gone of the market but 
thankfully good stereo desktop computer speakers seem to be entering the market 
again if you know where to look.

Yamaha make some stuff which might be worth a look too.


> On 20 Aug 2016, at 6:38 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
> the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but 
> then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll 
> have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing 
> comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way 
> to go.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Desktop computer speakers
> 
> Hi!
> 
> It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
> desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
> low quality of computer speakers these days.
> We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model 
> from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and 
> good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too 
> difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
> Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port 
> but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices 
> such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one.
> I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked 
> to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most 
> situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I 
> also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

SV: Desktop computer speakers

[Emanuel]

Re youchristian hamit ?

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
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Skickat: den 20 augusti 2016 15:15
Till: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Ämne: RE: Desktop computer speakers

Amen to all you said. The only thing I'd do different could I do it is I'd use 
the HDMI port. To get digital audio. But that's just me. I'd love Onkyo's 7.1.4 
system. That thing sounds so epic!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:39 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my 
own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you 
spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.

Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.

I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.

In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going 
into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer 
DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system 
and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly 
because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise.

But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends  or house 
guests at home, so I have a second set-up.

in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, 
going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are 
going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining 
room.  I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up 
here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers.

I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry 
next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also.

What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top 
speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB 
Sound Card.

The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money 
on rubbish.

Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like 
Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the card.

If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music 
through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, such 
as the ones you are considering.

This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS.

I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as 
well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very good, 
so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand alone cheep 
speakers.

Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, either 
sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables.

John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys.











Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but 
then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll 
have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing 
comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to 
go.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to 
music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't 
be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB 
port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other 
devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you 
need one.
I'

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Amen to all you said. The only thing I'd do different could I do it is I'd use 
the HDMI port. To get digital audio. But that's just me. I'd love Onkyo's 7.1.4 
system. That thing sounds so epic!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:39 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Desktop computer speakers

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about my 
own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before you 
spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.

Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.

I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.

In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card going 
into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and Pioneer 
DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad Light system 
and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, particularly 
because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to disturb by the noise.

But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends  or house 
guests at home, so I have a second set-up.

in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, 
going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels are 
going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the dining 
room.  I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always raining up 
here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers.

I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by ferry 
next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also.

What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top 
speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and USB 
Sound Card.

The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good money 
on rubbish.

Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like 
Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the card.

If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music 
through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, such 
as the ones you are considering.

This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS.

I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as 
well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very good, 
so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand alone cheep 
speakers.

Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, either 
sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables.

John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys.











Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

- Original Message -
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC 
but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point 
I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is 
nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be 
the way to go.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to 
music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't 
be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB 
port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other 
devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you 
need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked 
to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most 
situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I 
also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review

Re: Desktop computer speakers

[Andy]

Hi John.

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I simply must tell you about 
my own experiences regarding high quality audio from my computers, before 
you spend more money on desk-top speakers for your computer, that will most 
probably end up disapointing you.


Firstly, I buy most of my equipment from Richard Sound, in Jamaca Street, 
Glasgow.


I've got a very good friend called Rob Horn who used to work for them but is 
now self employed and he sets all of this stuff up for me, when I need him.


In my livingroom I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card 
going into an Oncio AV Unit and there is also a 42 inch Philips plasma and 
Pioneer DVD recorder/player.  The 5.1 speaker system is provided by a Quad 
Light system and although this set up is rather expensive, it's magnificent, 
particularly because it's bloody loud and I have no local neibours to 
disturb by the noise.


But generally, I don't use this system when on my own with no friends  or 
house guests at home, so I have a second set-up.


in my little Den, I have a Windows 7 computer, Soundblaster XFy sound card, 
going into another Oncio AV unit, but this time the left and right channels 
are going into a splitter and send out 2 channel sterio to my study and the 
dining room.  I have a spare socket for outdoor speakers but as it's always 
raining up here, what is the point, of outdoor speakers.


I've just purchased an Imac 27 inch and my friend Rob is coming over by 
ferry next week to plug that into my Oncio unit also.


What I'm really saying I suppose John is before you buy stand alone desk-top 
speakers, consider going down the American way of including an AV unit and 
USB Sound Card.


The Yanks have been doing this for years while we continue to spend good 
money on rubbish.


Both of my systems John give me much joy and of course I use things like 
Goldwave and Tune-in radio so I can record everything going through the 
card.


If I wanted to, on my JAWS computers, I could pump all of my audio music 
through the AV unit and send JAWS to little shitty speakers, more or less, 
such as the ones you are considering.


This means that all of my recordings are free of sounds coming from JAWS.

I do a lot of recording on my computers and listen to 5 Live and 6 Music as 
well as Radio Scotland and these days John, the Broadcast quality is very 
good, so why would I want to listen to all of my hard work, through stand 
alone cheep speakers.


Start thinking about an AV unit, an external sound card, nice speakers, 
either sterio or 5.1 and a couple of cables.


John, you deserve it, so be nice to yourself and buy some toys.











Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Gurd" <j.g...@ntlworld.com>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: Desktop computer speakers


The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC 
but then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point 
I'll have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is 
nothing comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be 
the way to go.


John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the 
low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to 
music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't 
be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB 
port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other 
devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you 
need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked 
to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most 
situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I 
also imagine things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review

RE: Desktop computer speakers

[John Gurd]

The information on these speakers is really interesting. I've never heard of 
the egg series. It got me wondering about the 5.1 Egg set range for my PC but 
then I realised that particular range need an amplifier. At some point I'll 
have to replace my elderly Logitec Z5500 5.1 speakers and there is nothing 
comparable on the market at the moment. A good stereo PC set may be the way to 
go.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 17 August 2016 19:20
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Desktop computer speakers

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer desktop 
speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given the low quality 
of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another model 
from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening to music and 
good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs It shouldn't be too 
difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB port 
but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for other devices 
such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out should you need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review linked to 
below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required in most situations 
and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - that's how I also imagine 
things http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review

Desktop computer speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

It seems the mainstream speaker manufacturers are entering the computer 
desktop speaker market in droves and its probably about time too given 
the low quality of computer speakers these days.
We've discussed the B M1 speakers in the past and now there's another 
model from Kef that shows us a thing or two when it comes to listening 
to music and good audio quality from your speakers, the Kef Eggs
It shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to guess the shape of these 
speakers .
Like the B M1's the Eggs can plug directly into a computer via its USB 
port but the system also boasts an Optical In digital connection for 
other devices such as a TV, Digital radio etc and a sub-wooffer out 
should you need one.
I've not had a chance to listen to these speakers here but the review 
linked to below seems to suggest that a sub-woofer may not be required 
in most situations and - having heard a lot of Kef speakers myself - 
that's how I also imagine things

http://www.whathifi.com/kef/egg/review

Laser launch a Qualcomm Allplay compatible Wi-Fi adapter for speakers - Ausdroid

[Dane Trethowan]

This little device could be a streaming audio game changer.

http://ausdroid.net/2016/08/10/laser-launch-qualcomm-allplay-compatible-wi-fi-adapter-speakers/ 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

As far as I understand it it is just an analog input.  At least that is what 
the manual that I downloaded says.

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read those 
complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very much entitled 
to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the MM3's are but that's 
going over old ground again.


Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based around 
Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.


Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's doubles as 
a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my Sangean 
DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ Radio, CD 
Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability to stream 
AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty powerful system to 
be going on with.




On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> Dane
>
> Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this 
> list has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge 
> room with sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this. 
>  Perhaps this is what I should have said.
>
> Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
> so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm 
> input of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
> depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the 
> signal processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.
>
> André
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
> not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
> complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker 
> set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer 
> speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that 
> at all.
>
>
> Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
> however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.
>
>
> Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
> have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in 
> front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - 
> or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth 
> considering.
>
>
> I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
> input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
> connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.
>
>
> The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
> speakers.
>
>
> My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
> systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
> others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
> and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
> pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.
>
>
> Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits
> everything in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
>> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
>> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
>> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not 
>> designed to do that.They are designed to give you clear sound without 
>> booming bass when you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is 
>> incredibly clear and detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a 
>> small set of speakers but it is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough 
>> you can actually feel the bass on the desktop where they are standing.  They 
>> cost me both my arms and both my legs but are certainly worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read 
those complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very 
much entitled to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the 
MM3's are but that's going over old ground again.



Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based 
around Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.



Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's 
doubles as a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the 
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my 
Sangean DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ 
Radio, CD Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability 
to stream AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty 
powerful system to be going on with.





On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

Dane

Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this list 
has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge room with 
sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this.  Perhaps 
this is what I should have said.

Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm input 
of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the signal 
processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.

André

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker set 
and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer speakers 
wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that at all.


Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.


Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in front 
of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - or even 
house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth considering.


I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.


The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
speakers.


My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.


Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.



On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not the 
type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting sound too 
far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you sitting nearly in 
front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting either side

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

Dane

Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this list 
has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge room with 
sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this.  Perhaps 
this is what I should have said.

Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm input 
of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the signal 
processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.

André

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker set 
and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer speakers 
wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that at all.


Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.


Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in front 
of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - or even 
house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth considering.


I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.


The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
speakers.


My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.


Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.



On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not 
> designed to do that.They are designed to give you clear sound without 
> booming bass when you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is 
> incredibly clear and detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small 
> set of speakers but it is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can 
> actually feel the bass on the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me 
> both my arms and both my legs but are certainly worth it.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
> through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later 
> on today.
>
> You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
> thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re 
> not the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at 
> projecting sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi 
> sound with you sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the 
> M1’s sitting either side of you pounding up the rich sound.
>
> On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
> and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
> something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
> up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker 
> system.
>
>
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
>> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
>> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on 
>> occasionally for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, 
>> no damage apparently resulted from that

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 
speaker set not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm 
aware of has complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait 
of this speaker set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop 
pair of computer speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're 
not designed to do that at all.



Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse 
sound however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as 
computer speakers.



Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before 
as I have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with 
you in front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its 
room filling - or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 
are worth considering.



I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - 
a USB input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card 
would be connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.



The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop 
computer speakers.



My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music 
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any 
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other 
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a 
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.



Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything 
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.




On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not the 
type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting sound too 
far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you sitting nearly in 
front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting either side of you pounding 
up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.



On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:

Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is a 
wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a small 
desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally for 
quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I was 
not actually using the Mac.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:

  mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. I 
think i'd be interested.  Chris
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers


This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
occasion, yes, it does get hot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Tre

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not 
the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting 
sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you 
sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting 
either side of you pounding up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.


> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally 
> for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
> apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
> sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
> occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
> whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I 
> was not actually using the Mac.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>  mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. 
>> I think i'd be interested.  Chris
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>>
>>
>> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you 
>> leave it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using 
>> it, it's fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have 
>> done on occasion, yes, it does get hot.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>>> pair myself.
>>>
>>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which 
>>> states that the speakers get hot after use.
>>>
>>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a 
>>> pair over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question 
>>> to you all.
>>>
>>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far 
>>> - no more than body heat type temperature.
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

**
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halfwits in this world behind.





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Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Ah yes no doubt about it, when in their proper place and when you're 
sitting down in your proper place they're excellent and again I say that 
the MM1's are the best computer speakers I've heard given their size, 
the fact they're not relying on any sub-woofer system at all etc.



I hope you get to hear the A7 one day, everyone I know who has heard 
that thing has commented on its wonderful sound, even the Old Man said 
it sounded good and if he comes out with a comment like that? Well it 
must be absolutely true, he's really picky you know .





On 22/07/2016 9:37 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

That is certainly true about the MM one and sound projection. They do sound 
best when you're sitting at your desk with the speakers appropriately placed. 
But, when you are in that position, they really are awesome. I have never heard 
the a-seven. But I'm sure it must be very good. I have never heard a bad 
speaker from Bowers and Wilkins.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not the 
type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting sound too 
far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you sitting nearly in 
front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting either side of you pounding 
up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.



On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:

Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is a 
wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a small 
desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally for 
quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I was 
not actually using the Mac.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:

 mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. I 
think i'd be interested.  Chris
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers


This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
occasion, yes, it does get hot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Hi there!

I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a pair 
myself.

So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
that the speakers get hot after use.

Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real heat 
generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a pair over a 
long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to you all.

I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far - no 
more than body heat type temperature.


**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.






**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.







--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Mary Otten]

That is certainly true about the MM one and sound projection. They do sound 
best when you're sitting at your desk with the speakers appropriately placed. 
But, when you are in that position, they really are awesome. I have never heard 
the a-seven. But I'm sure it must be very good. I have never heard a bad 
speaker from Bowers and Wilkins.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
> through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later 
> on today.
> 
> You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
> thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re 
> not the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at 
> projecting sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi 
> sound with you sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the 
> M1’s sitting either side of you pounding up the rich sound.
> 
> On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
> and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
> something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
> up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker 
> system.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
>> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
>> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on 
>> occasionally for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, 
>> no damage apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is 
>> some kind of sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, 
>> that the occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification 
>> or whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when 
>> I was not actually using the Mac.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. 
>>> I think i'd be interested.  Chris
>>> ----- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you 
>>> leave it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using 
>>> it, it's fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have 
>>> done on occasion, yes, it does get hot.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi there!
>>>> 
>>>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>>>> pair myself.
>>>> 
>>>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which 
>>>> states that the speakers get hot after use.
>>>> 
>>>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>>>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a 
>>>> pair over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the 
>>>> question to you all.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far 
>>>> - no more than body heat type temperature.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> **
>>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not 
the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting 
sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you 
sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting 
either side of you pounding up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.


> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally 
> for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
> apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
> sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
> occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
> whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I 
> was not actually using the Mac.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>  mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. 
>> I think i'd be interested.  Chris
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>> 
>> 
>> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you 
>> leave it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using 
>> it, it's fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have 
>> done on occasion, yes, it does get hot.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> 
>>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>>> pair myself.
>>> 
>>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which 
>>> states that the speakers get hot after use.
>>> 
>>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a 
>>> pair over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question 
>>> to you all.
>>> 
>>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far 
>>> - no more than body heat type temperature.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Mary Otten]

Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is a 
wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a small 
desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally for 
quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I was 
not actually using the Mac.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay <cram...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
>   mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. 
> I think i'd be interested.  Chris
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
> 
> 
> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
> it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
> fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
> occasion, yes, it does get hot.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>> pair myself.
>> 
>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
>> that the speakers get hot after use.
>> 
>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a pair 
>> over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to 
>> you all.
>> 
>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far - 
>> no more than body heat type temperature.
>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Adrian Spratt]

I agree. But there's a setting that enables you to have the speakers turn off 
each time you turn off the computer. This has saved me when going away for the 
weekend, never mind on vacation.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:59 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
occasion, yes, it does get hot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I'm saving for a pair 
> myself.
> 
> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
> that the speakers get hot after use.
> 
> Well I've seen and listened to them enough and I've never noticed any real 
> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I've never used a pair 
> over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to you 
> all.
> 
> I'm sure the MM1's generate a little heat but - as I've seen them thus far - 
> no more than body heat type temperature.
> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[chris ramsay]

   mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w 
speakers. I think i'd be interested.  Chris
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers


This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you 
leave it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using 
it, it's fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have 
done on occasion, yes, it does get hot.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
wrote:


Hi there!

I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
pair myself.


So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which 
states that the speakers get hot after use.


Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a 
pair over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the 
question to you all.


I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus 
far - no more than body heat type temperature.



**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Obviously no damage was caused when you did that? Easy enough to forget I 
suppose, doesn’t the MM1 go into some sort of Standby mode?


> On 22 Jul 2016, at 4:58 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
> it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
> fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
> occasion, yes, it does get hot.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there!
>> 
>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>> pair myself.
>> 
>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
>> that the speakers get hot after use.
>> 
>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a pair 
>> over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to 
>> you all.
>> 
>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far - 
>> no more than body heat type temperature.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Mary Otten]

This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
occasion, yes, it does get hot.
Mary


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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> 
> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a pair 
> myself.
> 
> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
> that the speakers get hot after use.
> 
> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a pair 
> over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to you 
> all.
> 
> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far - 
> no more than body heat type temperature.
> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi there!

I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a pair 
myself.

So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which states 
that the speakers get hot after use.

Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real heat 
generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a pair over a 
long period of time in a home environment so I put the question to you all.

I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far - no 
more than body heat type temperature.


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Re: Best AirPlay speakers 2016 | Best buys | What Hi-Fi?

[Dane Trethowan]

I take your points.

I know this is a step down but the B has two ways to select the source.

The first and simple mode is auto-select that is to say the speaker system will 
switch to whatever source just happens to be playing.

Failing that you use the source selector button on the remote controller which 
toggles between all 4 sources.

Most of the time however auto source selection does me just fine though I have 
to remember that if I switch on the DAB+ radio connected to the Digital input 
that my AirPlay stream will be interrupted.


> On 14 Jun 2016, at 5:47 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> This looks very interesting, thanks. I've had a detailed look at the cheapest 
> and the most expensive just out of interest. It strikes me as a blind 
> consumer there's always the possibility that some modern design feature might 
> make a good piece of kit unusable. For instance, the Monitor Audio Airstream 
> S200 can select several types of input, including Bluetooth, USB, audio jack, 
> Airplay and DLNA, but it's all done through one multi-select button. 
> Sometimes without sound clues this can be a real pain. At the other end of 
> the scale the Mu-so must sound fantastic but when I read it is controlled via 
> on-screen controls I'd bet it would be impossible to actually operate by a 
> totally blind user like myself. Still, at £895 I expect that's the least of 
> my worries (smiles).
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 10 June 2016 03:48
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Best AirPlay speakers 2016 | Best buys | What Hi-Fi?
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Someone on this list wanted to know what was the best AirPlay speaker around? 
> I mentioned the B A7 though I have to admit you do have to shell out an arm 
> and a leg for one.
> 
> Using Google I found a roundup of the best AirPlay speakers that others may 
> wish to consult.
> 
> The B A7 - whilst amongst the best - might be just out of range for a lot 
> of people price wise so considering a good value for money alternative would 
> therefore be a practical solution and that's where this guide comes in.
> 
> are there any better than the B A7 AirPlay speaker system? Well this guide 
> tells the story, there's always better but at a price too!  
> http://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/best-airplay-speakers
> 
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RE: Best AirPlay speakers 2016 | Best buys | What Hi-Fi?

[John Gurd]

This looks very interesting, thanks. I've had a detailed look at the cheapest 
and the most expensive just out of interest. It strikes me as a blind consumer 
there's always the possibility that some modern design feature might make a 
good piece of kit unusable. For instance, the Monitor Audio Airstream S200 can 
select several types of input, including Bluetooth, USB, audio jack, Airplay 
and DLNA, but it's all done through one multi-select button. Sometimes without 
sound clues this can be a real pain. At the other end of the scale the Mu-so 
must sound fantastic but when I read it is controlled via on-screen controls 
I'd bet it would be impossible to actually operate by a totally blind user like 
myself. Still, at £895 I expect that's the least of my worries (smiles).

John


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Trethowan
Sent: 10 June 2016 03:48
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Best AirPlay speakers 2016 | Best buys | What Hi-Fi?

Hi!

Someone on this list wanted to know what was the best AirPlay speaker around? I 
mentioned the B A7 though I have to admit you do have to shell out an arm and 
a leg for one.

Using Google I found a roundup of the best AirPlay speakers that others may 
wish to consult.

The B A7 - whilst amongst the best - might be just out of range for a lot of 
people price wise so considering a good value for money alternative would 
therefore be a practical solution and that's where this guide comes in.

are there any better than the B A7 AirPlay speaker system? Well this guide 
tells the story, there's always better but at a price too!  
http://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/best-airplay-speakers

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Best AirPlay speakers 2016 | Best buys | What Hi-Fi?

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

Someone on this list wanted to know what was the best AirPlay speaker 
around? I mentioned the B A7 though I have to admit you do have to 
shell out an arm and a leg for one.


Using Google I found a roundup of the best AirPlay speakers that others 
may wish to consult.


The B A7 - whilst amongst the best - might be just out of range for a 
lot of people price wise so considering a good value for money 
alternative would therefore be a practical solution and that's where 
this guide comes in.


are there any better than the B A7 AirPlay speaker system? Well this 
guide tells the story, there's always better but at a price too! 

http://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/best-airplay-speakers

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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

I'll say it again, all the people I've played my B Z2 and A5 systems 
too have listened spell bound and no I'm not being paid by B either to 
say that, they're just damn good speaker systems.



On 27/05/2016 6:36 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

It was for me most certainly!

I have what I need now.

Still need to try that society of sound website out.  Got a 3 months
subscription for it.  Never heard of this music site though I get the
impression you can download there only in lossless format.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 27 May 2016 10:25 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I certainly sympathise with you regarding scraping up funds and waiting as
that's exactly what I've been doing with the B A7 I'll have in my hands
shortly so I guess the only consolation about it all is that the wait for
such things is certainly worthwhile.




On 27/05/2016 5:07 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

We actually have an authorized B agent here also with several
sub-distrubitors throughout the country.  The fact that my speakers
took so long was due to the fact that I had to scrape the funds
together to pay the rest of the money.  Imported from the UK it took
just over 3 weeks to arrive in SA.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: 27 May 2016 07:21 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Most of my B merchandise has come from my local online Apple Store,
my
P7 headphones and the A7 speaker system were bought from a specialist
Hi-Fi shop up the road.


One of our biggest department store chains - Harvey Norman - stocks
B though when you contact them to order it their out of stock if
that makes any sense so you have to wait, and wait and wait.




On 27/05/2016 2:36 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a
high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or
rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in
the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B
is closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.


Mary




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RE: B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

It was for me most certainly!

I have what I need now.

Still need to try that society of sound website out.  Got a 3 months
subscription for it.  Never heard of this music site though I get the
impression you can download there only in lossless format.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 27 May 2016 10:25 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I certainly sympathise with you regarding scraping up funds and waiting as
that's exactly what I've been doing with the B A7 I'll have in my hands
shortly so I guess the only consolation about it all is that the wait for
such things is certainly worthwhile.




On 27/05/2016 5:07 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> We actually have an authorized B agent here also with several
> sub-distrubitors throughout the country.  The fact that my speakers
> took so long was due to the fact that I had to scrape the funds
> together to pay the rest of the money.  Imported from the UK it took
> just over 3 weeks to arrive in SA.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 27 May 2016 07:21 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally
>
> Most of my B merchandise has come from my local online Apple Store,
> my
> P7 headphones and the A7 speaker system were bought from a specialist
> Hi-Fi shop up the road.
>
>
> One of our biggest department store chains - Harvey Norman - stocks
> B though when you contact them to order it their out of stock if
> that makes any sense so you have to wait, and wait and wait.
>
>
>
>
> On 27/05/2016 2:36 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a
>> high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or
>> rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in
>> the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B
>> is closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>

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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

I certainly sympathise with you regarding scraping up funds and waiting 
as that's exactly what I've been doing with the B A7 I'll have in my 
hands shortly so I guess the only consolation about it all is that the 
wait for such things is certainly worthwhile.





On 27/05/2016 5:07 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

We actually have an authorized B agent here also with several
sub-distrubitors throughout the country.  The fact that my speakers took so
long was due to the fact that I had to scrape the funds together to pay the
rest of the money.  Imported from the UK it took just over 3 weeks to arrive
in SA.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 27 May 2016 07:21 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Most of my B merchandise has come from my local online Apple Store, my
P7 headphones and the A7 speaker system were bought from a specialist Hi-Fi
shop up the road.


One of our biggest department store chains - Harvey Norman - stocks B
though when you contact them to order it their out of stock if that makes
any sense so you have to wait, and wait and wait.




On 27/05/2016 2:36 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a
high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or
rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in
the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B is
closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.


Mary




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RE: B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

We actually have an authorized B agent here also with several
sub-distrubitors throughout the country.  The fact that my speakers took so
long was due to the fact that I had to scrape the funds together to pay the
rest of the money.  Imported from the UK it took just over 3 weeks to arrive
in SA.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 27 May 2016 07:21 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Most of my B merchandise has come from my local online Apple Store, my
P7 headphones and the A7 speaker system were bought from a specialist Hi-Fi
shop up the road.


One of our biggest department store chains - Harvey Norman - stocks B
though when you contact them to order it their out of stock if that makes
any sense so you have to wait, and wait and wait.




On 27/05/2016 2:36 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a 
> high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or 
> rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in 
> the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B is 
> closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.
>
>
> Mary
>
>

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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

Most of my B merchandise has come from my local online Apple Store, my 
P7 headphones and the A7 speaker system were bought from a specialist 
Hi-Fi shop up the road.



One of our biggest department store chains - Harvey Norman - stocks B 
though when you contact them to order it their out of stock if that 
makes any sense so you have to wait, and wait and wait.





On 27/05/2016 2:36 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a
high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or
rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in
the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B is
closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.


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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Mary Otten]

Well, here in the town where I live, you definitely have to visit a
high end store to get the brands you named. Those Magnolia shops or
rooms are limited to the Best Buy stores where there are big bucks in
the surrounding community. In fact, the one store here that had B is
closed. So if you want 'em, on line is it.


Mary

Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay thanks.


I've since been talking to a couple of people who inform me that the 
Best Buys chain have B P7 headphones so I guess it figures that they 
should have other B products.



We don't have a Best Buys in Australia but we do have discount stores 
such as JB Hi-Fi And Dick Smith which - for the most part - sell the 
cheaper kind of goods not fund in a specialist Hi-fi shop or store, a 
specialist place in Australia is where you'd most likely have to go to 
get such names as B, B, Denon, Keff and so on and these stores 
unfortunately are becoming near to extinct.





On 27/05/2016 1:42 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Certain Best Buy stores have the Magnolia room, which is a high end
hi-fi, probably other stuff too like high end a/v receivers, area in
the store. Our local store doesn't have that. It may be that these high
end rooms inupscale shopping areas have some B stuff.

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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Mary Otten]

Certain Best Buy stores have the Magnolia room, which is a high end
hi-fi, probably other stuff too like high end a/v receivers, area in
the store. Our local store doesn't have that. It may be that these high
end rooms inupscale shopping areas have some B stuff. 

Mary

Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

You're not going to find B computer speakers at Best Buys as far as I 
know, we're talking about "A Cut Above The Average" here .





On 27/05/2016 11:50 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
That's a brand I've heard a lot about online, but never got to 
actually hear how they sound. I imagine they don't sell many, if any 
at all, of their speakers in the major chain stores like Best Buy. One 
of their smaller Airplay systems might be nice though.


- Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
<grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally


I moved to get the B A7 system as quickly as I could given that B 
were recently taken over so Goodness Only knows what changes the new 
crowd are thinking of making given they're in the home automation 
business and not in the business of making products that sound good.



The B sound is lengendery if I dare say so myself.




On 25/05/2016 4:57 AM, André van Deventer wrote:
Got the rest of the tab out!  Very simple actually you simply have 
to open the battery compartment!


Very handy little control indeed.  All the functions work with fobar 
2000 which is what I am primarily use.


Still can't get over the sound of these little speakers!



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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: 24 May 2016 06:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I hope you can manage to get your remote control working. I prefer 
it immensely to the controls on the speaker, because they have no 
tactile indication, and because you have to reach for the speaker in 
order to use those controls. Plus, with the remote you can move 
among tracks and stop playback. It's a very handy little unit.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2016, at 8:40 AM, André van Deventer 
<andred...@webafrica.org.za> wrote:


Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
speakers finally arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected 
up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the 
USB port.

Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
shows up in my audio devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size 
and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left 
side of

the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be 
physically press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale 
indication where

they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite 
astonishing.

However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is 
interested.




Regards



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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Brent Harding]

That's a brand I've heard a lot about online, but never got to actually hear 
how they sound. I imagine they don't sell many, if any at all, of their 
speakers in the major chain stores like Best Buy. One of their smaller 
Airplay systems might be nice though.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally


I moved to get the B A7 system as quickly as I could given that B were 
recently taken over so Goodness Only knows what changes the new crowd are 
thinking of making given they're in the home automation business and not in 
the business of making products that sound good.



The B sound is lengendery if I dare say so myself.




On 25/05/2016 4:57 AM, André van Deventer wrote:
Got the rest of the tab out!  Very simple actually you simply have to 
open the battery compartment!


Very handy little control indeed.  All the functions work with fobar 2000 
which is what I am primarily use.


Still can't get over the sound of these little speakers!



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten

Sent: 24 May 2016 06:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I hope you can manage to get your remote control working. I prefer it 
immensely to the controls on the speaker, because they have no tactile 
indication, and because you have to reach for the speaker in order to use 
those controls. Plus, with the remote you can move among tracks and stop 
playback. It's a very handy little unit.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2016, at 8:40 AM, André van Deventer 
<andred...@webafrica.org.za> wrote:


Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
speakers finally arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the 
two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB 
port.

Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
shows up in my audio devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side 
of

the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be 
physically press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication 
where

they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is 
interested.




Regards



Andre







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Hitachi Introduces High-Performance Wireless Whole-Home Audio Speakers | News Releases : Hitachi in the U.S.A.

[Dane Trethowan]

If I were living in the U.S. I'd certainly be following these products 
up, the specs look fantastic.

http://www.hitachi.us/press/05142015

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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

I still remember the blazing sound of the B A5 and I often kick myself 
for selling that unit as soon as I did given it took me a little longer 
than I anticipated to save for the A7 but that can't be helped and - 
given the sound of the A5 - I just can't wait to have the A7 in my den.


I know the chap who bought my A5 and he wouldn't be rid of it even if 
you paid him, actually he asked me if the place I bought my A7 from had 
any more left so that's how impressed he is with the B sound.


Regarding the P7 cans? Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that those 
cans are the best you can buy but for the money they certainly punch 
above their weight, hard to believe I've had my pair for nearly 9 months 
now.


My only slight complaint about the P7 is its weight, it does get a 
little heavy around the ears but the ears don't get sore.



On 26/05/2016 2:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I know what you mean about the take over. If the company that took them
over is smart, they'll let them alone to do what they do best. Still,
glad I got the m1 and the p7.

Mary




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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Mary Otten]

I know what you mean about the take over. If the company that took them
over is smart, they'll let them alone to do what they do best. Still,
glad I got the m1 and the p7. 

Mary

Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

I moved to get the B A7 system as quickly as I could given that B 
were recently taken over so Goodness Only knows what changes the new 
crowd are thinking of making given they're in the home automation 
business and not in the business of making products that sound good.



The B sound is lengendery if I dare say so myself.




On 25/05/2016 4:57 AM, André van Deventer wrote:

Got the rest of the tab out!  Very simple actually you simply have to open the 
battery compartment!

Very handy little control indeed.  All the functions work with fobar 2000 which 
is what I am primarily use.

Still can't get over the sound of these little speakers!



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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 24 May 2016 06:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I hope you can manage to get your remote control working. I prefer it immensely 
to the controls on the speaker, because they have no tactile indication, and 
because you have to reach for the speaker in order to use those controls. Plus, 
with the remote you can move among tracks and stop playback. It's a very handy 
little unit.
Mary


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On May 24, 2016, at 8:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
wrote:

Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
speakers finally arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
shows up in my audio devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically 
press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.



Regards



Andre







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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep indeed, they're desktop units but I still think - even given their 
price - they're amazing.



As you've stated the tops and bottoms of those speakers aren't 
emphasised in any way, its a nice honest and flat sound and that's great 
for music.



50HZ is about right, I think the specs quote 46HZ or something similar 
and that's pretty good for computer speakers without a sub-woofer, a lot 
of the speakers around now - even with a sub-woofer - only go down to 
100HZ and I've seen some that only boast 150HZ which isn't good at all.





On 25/05/2016 5:07 AM, André van Deventer wrote:

Dane

Got it sorted thanx!

Pricy but the most amazing set of speakers I have ever owned.

Just keep in mind they're desktop speakers.  They're not made to fill a whole 
room.  I've heard criticism about that.  My feeling is though that you buy a 
set of speakers for the purpose you want to use them.  I tested them with a 
sweep generator program and they go down to about 50 Hz when they start to fall 
off.  Amazing for such small units!



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 24 May 2016 06:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Okay to the problem of the broken tab on your remote.

The bottom of the remote comes off in the same way that the bottom might come 
off an older type of mouse when changing the ball, turn the cover anti 
clockwise and you’ll feel it come off and the tab will drop out.

The remote control - if its the same one as comes with all other B Powered 
Speakers - should be easy enough to get around, 5 buttons in the shape of a cross, 
2 buttons either side control track back and forward, middle button is your pause 
button, up and down control volume, the slightly indented bottom button is your 
source - toggles between USB and Aux-In mode - and very top button is for power.

I’m not surprised to hear your summary of the B Audio as being subtle but 
very desirably so in my opinion.

I had been wondering how you’d been going with this set of speakers and I hadn’t 
forgotten, actually I was forcibly reminded of your speaker set yesterday, I’ve 
finally managed to save enough money to get the B A7 speaker system so 
started doing research to find a good price which paid off immediately, I was able 
to find a place that had one model left on the floor for sale at 2 thirds of the 
original price so that’s been reserved until I can arrange to go and pick it up and 
I don’t mind telling you all that the pickup day can’t come quickly enough.



On 25 May 2016, at 1:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
wrote:

Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
speakers finally arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
shows up in my audio devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically 
press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.



Regards



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RE: B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

Dane

Got it sorted thanx!

Pricy but the most amazing set of speakers I have ever owned.

Just keep in mind they're desktop speakers.  They're not made to fill a whole 
room.  I've heard criticism about that.  My feeling is though that you buy a 
set of speakers for the purpose you want to use them.  I tested them with a 
sweep generator program and they go down to about 50 Hz when they start to fall 
off.  Amazing for such small units!



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 24 May 2016 06:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Okay to the problem of the broken tab on your remote.

The bottom of the remote comes off in the same way that the bottom might come 
off an older type of mouse when changing the ball, turn the cover anti 
clockwise and you’ll feel it come off and the tab will drop out.

The remote control - if its the same one as comes with all other B Powered 
Speakers - should be easy enough to get around, 5 buttons in the shape of a 
cross, 2 buttons either side control track back and forward, middle button is 
your pause button, up and down control volume, the slightly indented bottom 
button is your source - toggles between USB and Aux-In mode - and very top 
button is for power.

I’m not surprised to hear your summary of the B Audio as being subtle but 
very desirably so in my opinion.

I had been wondering how you’d been going with this set of speakers and I 
hadn’t forgotten, actually I was forcibly reminded of your speaker set 
yesterday, I’ve finally managed to save enough money to get the B A7 speaker 
system so started doing research to find a good price which paid off 
immediately, I was able to find a place that had one model left on the floor 
for sale at 2 thirds of the original price so that’s been reserved until I can 
arrange to go and pick it up and I don’t mind telling you all that the pickup 
day can’t come quickly enough.


> On 25 May 2016, at 1:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
> speakers finally arrived today.
>
>
>
> Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
> speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
> Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
> active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
> recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
> shows up in my audio devices as mm1.
>
>
>
> The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
> extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
> the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
> speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be 
> physically press
> so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
> they are located.
>
>
>
> There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
> I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
> battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
> part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.
>
>
>
> The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
> However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
> seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
> to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
> only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
> would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.
>
>
>
> Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

Fanus

Yes two separate speakers.  They connect by usb  to your computer directly so 
you do not need to use an external digital to audio converter for them.  The 
connections are all at the back on the underside of the speaker.

They run from their own power supply so they are not portable in that sense of 
the world.  But it should be quite easy to travel with them although they are 
quite heavy!

André

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus
Sent: 24 May 2016 06:22 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

Hello Andre
I assume there are two speakers to have stereo sound? So are both connected via 
bluetooth simultaneously? Did you get it here in SA?
Regards
Fanus


From: André van Deventer
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:40 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: B speakers arrived finally

Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1 speakers finally 
arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the active 
speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer recognised it 
immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now shows up in my audio 
devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the speaker which 
is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which I have 
not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the battery door from 
closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest part of the tab broke off!  
Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as seem to be 
the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going to be very 
disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the only way I can 
describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you would need.  And the sound 
is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.



Regards



Andre







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RE: B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

Got the rest of the tab out!  Very simple actually you simply have to open the 
battery compartment!

Very handy little control indeed.  All the functions work with fobar 2000 which 
is what I am primarily use.

Still can't get over the sound of these little speakers!



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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 24 May 2016 06:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: B speakers arrived finally

I hope you can manage to get your remote control working. I prefer it immensely 
to the controls on the speaker, because they have no tactile indication, and 
because you have to reach for the speaker in order to use those controls. Plus, 
with the remote you can move among tracks and stop playback. It's a very handy 
little unit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2016, at 8:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1
> speakers finally arrived today.
>
>
>
> Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
> speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
> Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the
> active speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer
> recognised it immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now
> shows up in my audio devices as mm1.
>
>
>
> The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
> extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
> the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the
> speaker which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be 
> physically press
> so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
> they are located.
>
>
>
> There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which
> I have not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the
> battery door from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest
> part of the tab broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.
>
>
>
> The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
> However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as
> seem to be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going
> to be very disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the
> only way I can describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you
> would need.  And the sound is wonderfully clear.
>
>
>
> Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay to the problem of the broken tab on your remote.

The bottom of the remote comes off in the same way that the bottom might come 
off an older type of mouse when changing the ball, turn the cover anti 
clockwise and you’ll feel it come off and the tab will drop out.

The remote control - if its the same one as comes with all other B Powered 
Speakers - should be easy enough to get around, 5 buttons in the shape of a 
cross, 2 buttons either side control track back and forward, middle button is 
your pause button, up and down control volume, the slightly indented bottom 
button is your source - toggles between USB and Aux-In mode - and very top 
button is for power.

I’m not surprised to hear your summary of the B Audio as being subtle but 
very desirably so in my opinion.

I had been wondering how you’d been going with this set of speakers and I 
hadn’t forgotten, actually I was forcibly reminded of your speaker set 
yesterday, I’ve finally managed to save enough money to get the B A7 speaker 
system so started doing research to find a good price which paid off 
immediately, I was able to find a place that had one model left on the floor 
for sale at 2 thirds of the original price so that’s been reserved until I can 
arrange to go and pick it up and I don’t mind telling you all that the pickup 
day can’t come quickly enough.


> On 25 May 2016, at 1:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1 speakers
> finally arrived today.
> 
> 
> 
> Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
> speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
> Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the active
> speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer recognised it
> immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now shows up in my audio
> devices as mm1.
> 
> 
> 
> The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
> extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
> the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the speaker
> which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically press
> so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
> they are located.
> 
> 
> 
> There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which I have
> not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the battery door
> from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest part of the tab
> broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.
> 
> 
> 
> The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
> However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as seem to
> be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going to be very
> disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the only way I can
> describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you would need.  And the
> sound is wonderfully clear.
> 
> 
> 
> Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Fanus]

Hello Andre
I assume there are two speakers to have stereo sound? So are both connected via 
bluetooth simultaneously? Did you get it here in SA?
Regards
Fanus


From: André van Deventer 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:40 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org 
Subject: B speakers arrived finally

Hi all

 

For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1 speakers
finally arrived today.

 

Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the active
speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer recognised it
immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now shows up in my audio
devices as mm1.

 

The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the speaker
which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
they are located.

 

There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which I have
not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the battery door
from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest part of the tab
broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.

 

The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as seem to
be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going to be very
disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the only way I can
describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you would need.  And the
sound is wonderfully clear.

 

Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.

 

Regards

 

Andre

 

 



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Re: B speakers arrived finally

[Mary Otten]

I hope you can manage to get your remote control working. I prefer it immensely 
to the controls on the speaker, because they have no tactile indication, and 
because you have to reach for the speaker in order to use those controls. Plus, 
with the remote you can move among tracks and stop playback. It's a very handy 
little unit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2016, at 8:40 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1 speakers
> finally arrived today.
> 
> 
> 
> Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
> speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
> Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the active
> speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer recognised it
> immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now shows up in my audio
> devices as mm1.
> 
> 
> 
> The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
> extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
> the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the speaker
> which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically press
> so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
> they are located.
> 
> 
> 
> There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which I have
> not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the battery door
> from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest part of the tab
> broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.
> 
> 
> 
> The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
> However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as seem to
> be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going to be very
> disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the only way I can
> describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you would need.  And the
> sound is wonderfully clear.
> 
> 
> 
> Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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B speakers arrived finally

[André van Deventer]

Hi all



For those of you who might still remember – my pair of B mm1 speakers
finally arrived today.



Getting started was rather straight forward.   I simply connected up the two
speakers, connected it up to the power supply and plugged in the USB port.
Was a bit of a problem finding the power button on the side of the active
speaker but when I finally found it by accident, the computer recognised it
immediately and installed the windows drivers.  It now shows up in my audio
devices as mm1.



The two rather small speakers are surprisingly heavy for their size and
extremely solidly constructed.   There are two buttons on the left side of
the speaker for volume control and one on the right side of the speaker
which is the power on button.  All of these buttons must be physically press
so they give tactile feedback.   But there is now physicale indication where
they are located.



There is a basic little remote control that comes with the unit which I have
not yet used.  You have to pul out f small tab that keeps the battery door
from closing.  I messed up things a bit so the greatest part of the tab
broke off!  Still have to get the rest out.



The sound that comes out of these little speakers is quite astonishing.
However, if you are looking for booming bass and screeching highs as seem to
be the case with much of the modern equipment, you are going to be very
disappointed.  The sound of the B is subtle  that is the only way I can
describe it.  All the frequencies are there that you would need.  And the
sound is wonderfully clear.



Am still running some tests so will get back later if anyone is interested.



Regards



Andre







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http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/02/sony-srs-x77-connected-speaker-irl/

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Re: controls on B mm-1 speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Many sleepless nights I’d imagine for you between now and the time of arrival 
.

> On 5 Mar 2016, at 2:35 AM, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dane
> 
> It might take a month or so for me to actually get them.
> 
> Still very excited.
> 
> André
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 March 2016 02:34 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: controls on B mm-1 speakers
> 
> Just wondering have these speakers arrived and what you think?
> 
> 
> On 22/02/2016 7:30 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am still waiting for my mm-1 speakers to arrive  and have 1 or 2
>> questions for those of you who have them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The connection and setup seems to be a very simple matter indeed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I believe there is a standby button and volume buttons incorporate in
>> the metal band around the active speaker.  Can you actually feel these
>> controls on the band?  I find it a bit difficult to picture.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also are the volume controls separate of the master control in windows
>> or do they change the volume controls in windows itself?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Finally regarding the remote control.  As far as I understand it, it
>> has buttons for some functions like stop, pause and skipping tracks.
>> Do these controls work with windows software players?  I use foobar
>> 2000 as my premium audio player.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andre
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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