subject:"\[PD\] new editing features of Pd\-extended 0.43, now in beta\!"

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:53 AM, Ángel Faraldo wrote:

On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 11:19, Ángel Faraldo wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Date: February 18, 2012 9:02:07 PM GMT+01:00
To: Ángel Faraldo angelfara...@gmail.com
Cc: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com, pd-list@iem.at List
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Subject: Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how
big the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test
audio/midi patch' @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio,
portaudio).

What kind of computer and audio interface are you using?

macbook pro 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with OSX 10.6.8. I tested it with
the built-in audio and a RME Fireface 800 with similar results.

I'm on a very similar machine', a MacBook pro 3 - 2.4ghz running
10.6.8. Ive never seen this before. I don't have any external
interface, perhaps its related to the drivers from your interface? Just
a guess. Do other audio apps work? Like Audacity? It also uses
portaudio.

Actually I have tried it on an older macbook without problem, but on my
computer keeps on clicking awfully if I use portaudio --I attach a mp3 file
with the output--. If I select jack there are no clicks. Besides, the audio
in Audacity works perfectly fine.

(These tests were done with the mac built-in audio and with a RME fireface
800 with similar results).
pd_testAudio_44100_20msec_portaudio.mp3

What happens if you increase the Delay (msec) in the Audio Settings to
something like 50?

.hc

ángel

Please file a bug report on this one too.

.hc

Hmm yeah, [cputime] does seem broken. Could you post a bug report please?

done

ángel faraldo

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Ángel Faraldo wrote:

Hi there,

also, [cputime] appears not to work.

(pd-0.43.1-extended-20120218-macosx105-i386)

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On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:41 PM, João Pais wrote:

It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something.
The sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost
as if they would be dropouts.

What do you mean by noisy? Can you give more information? I really
don't know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how
things there should be handled. patco and pob have been doing a lot of
valuable work there.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote:

Hi Hans,

great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with
asio (as I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy.
Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2
-midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with
previous versions of pd-ext.

João

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time,
about 18 months now, mostly because there are lots of big
improvements, and we wanted to make sure we got it right, so your
patches all work, but the improvements all shine. Its now solidly
beta, so we’re looking for testers. Download a nightly build to try
here:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch.
When you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the
core engine and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now
come with multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run
on a separate CPU core than pd, so they don’t step on each other’s
toes. pd can entirely take over its own core. If you want to make
your patch use more CPU cores, then check out the [pd~] object
introduced in the last release (0.42.5).

pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on
splitting that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work
but it will also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it
will be possible for people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering
not just the display of the patch, but also the editing, and
everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt,
etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice. That’s
the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are
looking for people to join that effort.

There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd,
this release makes big strides to address the editing experience.
There are new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Aykut Caglayan

I would like to navigate in the menu bar using arrow keys (like in Pd-vanilla)

many thanks for your efforts



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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Which platform?  I've never done that, how do you do it?

.hc

On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aykut Caglayan wrote:

 I would like to navigate in the menu bar using arrow keys (like in Pd-vanilla)
 
 many thanks for your efforts
 
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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Aykut Caglayan

 Which platform?
OS X, 10.5.8

 how do you do it?
I think it is very clear, anyway, for instance; first I click on 'File', then 
go down in the 'File' menu with down key or go rigth to 'Edit' or 'Put' menu 
with right arrow key etc.





 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
To: Aykut Caglayan aykut_cagla...@yahoo.com 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!
 



Which platform?  I've never done that, how do you do it?

.hc

On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aykut Caglayan wrote:

I would like to navigate in the menu bar using arrow keys (like in Pd-vanilla)

many thanks for your efforts



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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Oded Ben-Tal wrote:

 hi,
 
 Very light testing on WinXP:
 - antivirus finds something in there a threat. The message is not informative 
 but perhaps you are doing some memory things that it doesn't like?

There has been a false positive on Pd-extended for years.  Tell your anti-virus 
software maker to recheck, or post details about any virus that it thinks is in 
Pd-extended.

 - pretty minor: with the new setting for error messages pd still outputs lots 
 of empty lines (where the ignored messages are). This means that some genuine 
 erros may be hidden from view (unless oyu notice and scroll up).

I'm looking into this.

 I really like the magic lantern mode (I presume the audio signal is the 
 amplitude not the actual numbers?)

Yeah, its really great.  The sad part is that Joe Sarlo wrote that in about 
2003, and it just languished until Ico ported it to pd-l2ork.

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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Roman Haefeli

FYI:
On my Ubuntu 10.04 machine (I guess also on the 11.04 machine) and on
Windows 7, both Pd  (0.43.1) and Pd-extended (2012-01-24/2012-02-16)
seem to support arrow keys for navigating the menu.

Roman

On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 07:22 -0800, Aykut Caglayan wrote:
  Which platform?
 OS X, 10.5.8
 
 
  how do you do it?
 I think it is very clear, anyway, for instance; first I click on
 'File', then go down in the 'File' menu with down key or go rigth to
 'Edit' or 'Put' menu with right arrow key etc.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at 
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:02 PM
 Subject: Re: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!
 
 
 
 
 Which platform?  I've never done that, how do you do it?
 
 
 .hc
 
 On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aykut Caglayan wrote:
 
  I would like to navigate in the menu bar using arrow keys (like in
  Pd-vanilla)
  
  
  
  many thanks for your efforts
  
  
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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Roman Haefeli

On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:29 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
  - pretty minor: with the new setting for error messages pd still outputs 
  lots of empty lines (where the ignored messages are). This means that some 
  genuine erros may be hidden from view (unless oyu notice and scroll up).
 
 I'm looking into this.
 

This is mainly because of tclpd loader messages. Every instantiation at
patch loading time seems to cause 3 lines of messages:

---
tclpd loader: searching for foo in path...
tclpd loader: searching for foo/foo in path...
tclpd loader: found nothing!
---

I don't know what should be considered the normal/expected/common case.
But if the common case is that nothing is found, I think it would be
good if it'd only post a message when it actually finds something.

Otherwise, it could probably be shortened to only one line?

Roman



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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


That's a feature of Tk/Cocoa.  Pd-extended won't be based off of Tk/Cocoa until 
next release.  Sorry.

.hc

On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Aykut Caglayan wrote:

  Which platform?
 OS X, 10.5.8
 
  how do you do it?
 I think it is very clear, anyway, for instance; first I click on 'File', then 
 go down in the 'File' menu with down key or go rigth to 'Edit' or 'Put' menu 
 with right arrow key etc.
 
 
 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 To: Aykut Caglayan aykut_cagla...@yahoo.com 
 Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at 
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:02 PM
 Subject: Re: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!
 
 
 Which platform?  I've never done that, how do you do it?
 
 .hc
 
 On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aykut Caglayan wrote:
 
 I would like to navigate in the menu bar using arrow keys (like in 
 Pd-vanilla)
 
 many thanks for your efforts
 
 --
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 http://aykutcaglayan.blogspot.com/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by 
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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Roman Haefeli

On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:49 +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:29 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
   - pretty minor: with the new setting for error messages pd still outputs 
   lots of empty lines (where the ignored messages are). This means that 
   some genuine erros may be hidden from view (unless oyu notice and scroll 
   up).
  
  I'm looking into this.
  
 
 This is mainly because of tclpd loader messages. Every instantiation at

There is something missing. I wanted to say: 

Every instantiation of an abstraction at

 patch loading time seems to cause 3 lines of messages:
 
 ---
 tclpd loader: searching for foo in path...
 tclpd loader: searching for foo/foo in path...
 tclpd loader: found nothing!
 ---
 
 I don't know what should be considered the normal/expected/common case.
 But if the common case is that nothing is found, I think it would be
 good if it'd only post a message when it actually finds something.
 
 Otherwise, it could probably be shortened to only one line?
 
 Roman
 



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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:29 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 - pretty minor: with the new setting for error messages pd still outputs 
 lots of empty lines (where the ignored messages are). This means that some 
 genuine erros may be hidden from view (unless oyu notice and scroll up).
 
 I'm looking into this.
 
 
 This is mainly because of tclpd loader messages. Every instantiation at
 patch loading time seems to cause 3 lines of messages:
 
 ---
 tclpd loader: searching for foo in path...
 tclpd loader: searching for foo/foo in path...
 tclpd loader: found nothing!
 ---
 
 I don't know what should be considered the normal/expected/common case.
 But if the common case is that nothing is found, I think it would be
 good if it'd only post a message when it actually finds something.
 
 Otherwise, it could probably be shortened to only one line?
 
 Roman

Thanks for that tip, I think I fixed this with this commit:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revisionrevision=16004

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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-20 Thread Mike Moser-Booth

Just gave the auto-build a go, and it appears that the error is fixed. Thanks!

.mmb

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 Good point, hopefully fixed with this commit:

 http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revisionrevision=16002

 .hc

 On Feb 19, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

 Right. But why is it looking for that one if the correct one is
 included in the Pd-0.43.1-extended app? When I took out the one had
 installed, I still got the error. But it worked fine when I copied the
 one in the app and replaced the bad version. I guess I'm just
 wondering why the Tcl framework is in the app if it's not being used.

 .mmb

 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 
 wrote:

 That's the right one.  Here's the problem:

  Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
       /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but 
 wrong
 architecture


 You have installed a Tcl framework in /Library/Frameworks that seems to be 
 for the wrong architecture.

 .hc

 On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

 I downloaded the one named Pd-0.43.1-extended-macosx105-i386.dmg. Is
 that not the right one?

 .mmb

 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 
 wrote:

 Looks like you downloaded the 64-bit version.  See my previous mail in 
 this thread about the 64-bit version.

 .hc

 On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

 Hey Hans,

 I'm on OSX 10.5, and I'm getting this at startup:

 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin:
 dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin,
 10): Library not loaded:
 @executable_path/../Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl
  Referenced from:
 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin
  Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
       /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but 
 wrong
 architecture
 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd:
 can't load startup library'!

 For shits and giggles, I tried replacing the bad 8.5 folder that it
 does find with the one included in the Pd-extended-20120217.app
 package, and the error goes away. So, I'm guessing the
 @executable_path isn't set correctly?

 .mmb



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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 11:19, Ángel Faraldo wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

What kind of computer and audio interface are you using?

macbook pro 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with OSX 10.6.8. I tested it with
the built-in audio and a RME Fireface 800 with similar results.

Please file a bug report on this one too.

.hc

Hmm yeah, [cputime] does seem broken. Could you post a bug report please?

done

ángel faraldo

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Ángel Faraldo wrote:

Hi there,

also, [cputime] appears not to work.

(pd-0.43.1-extended-20120218-macosx105-i386)

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On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:41 PM, João Pais wrote:

It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something.
The sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost as
if they would be dropouts.

What do you mean by noisy? Can you give more information? I really
don't know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how things
there should be handled. patco and pob have been doing a lot of
valuable work there.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote:

Hi Hans,

João

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch.
When you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core
engine and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come
with multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a
separate CPU core than pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd
can entirely take over its own core. If you want to make your patch
use more CPU cores, then check out the [pd~] object introduced in the
last release (0.42.5).

pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on
splitting that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work
but it will also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it will
be possible for people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not
just the display of the patch, but also the editing, and everything
else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your
own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice. That’s the idea at least.
That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are looking for people to
join that effort.

There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd,
this release makes big strides to address the editing experience.
There are new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf
Mode, all available on the Edit menu.

• Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass
through the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll
see the messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio
cords.

• Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet
expects, and what comes out of the outlets.

• Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.

• Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to
accidentally close windows

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-19 Thread Mike Moser-Booth

Right. But why is it looking for that one if the correct one is
included in the Pd-0.43.1-extended app? When I took out the one had
installed, I still got the error. But it worked fine when I copied the
one in the app and replaced the bad version. I guess I'm just
wondering why the Tcl framework is in the app if it's not being used.

.mmb

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

That's the right one. Here's the problem:

Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but wrong
architecture

You have installed a Tcl framework in /Library/Frameworks that seems to be
for the wrong architecture.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

I downloaded the one named Pd-0.43.1-extended-macosx105-i386.dmg. Is
that not the right one?

.mmb

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
wrote:

Looks like you downloaded the 64-bit version. See my previous mail in this
thread about the 64-bit version.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

Hey Hans,

I'm on OSX 10.5, and I'm getting this at startup:

/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin:
dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin,
10): Library not loaded:
@executable_path/../Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl
Referenced from:
/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin
Reason: no suitable image found. Did find:
/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but wrong
architecture
/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd:
can't load startup library'!

For shits and giggles, I tried replacing the bad 8.5 folder that it
does find with the one included in the Pd-extended-20120217.app
package, and the error goes away. So, I'm guessing the
@executable_path isn't set correctly?

.mmb

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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Good point, hopefully fixed with this commit:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revisionrevision=16002

.hc

On Feb 19, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

 Right. But why is it looking for that one if the correct one is
 included in the Pd-0.43.1-extended app? When I took out the one had
 installed, I still got the error. But it worked fine when I copied the
 one in the app and replaced the bad version. I guess I'm just
 wondering why the Tcl framework is in the app if it's not being used.
 
 .mmb
 
 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
 
 That's the right one.  Here's the problem:
 
  Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
   /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but 
 wrong
 architecture
 
 
 You have installed a Tcl framework in /Library/Frameworks that seems to be 
 for the wrong architecture.
 
 .hc
 
 On Feb 18, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:
 
 I downloaded the one named Pd-0.43.1-extended-macosx105-i386.dmg. Is
 that not the right one?
 
 .mmb
 
 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at 
 wrote:
 
 Looks like you downloaded the 64-bit version.  See my previous mail in 
 this thread about the 64-bit version.
 
 .hc
 
 On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:
 
 Hey Hans,
 
 I'm on OSX 10.5, and I'm getting this at startup:
 
 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin:
 dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin,
 10): Library not loaded:
 @executable_path/../Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl
  Referenced from:
 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin
  Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
   /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Versions/8.5/Tcl: mach-o, but 
 wrong
 architecture
 /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd:
 can't load startup library'!
 
 For shits and giggles, I tried replacing the bad 8.5 folder that it
 does find with the one included in the Pd-extended-20120217.app
 package, and the error goes away. So, I'm guessing the
 @executable_path isn't set correctly?
 
 .mmb
 
 
 
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 Schulich School of Music, McGill University
 Centre for Interdisciplinary Research in Music Media and Technology
 
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Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

What do you mean by noisy? Can you give more information? I really don't know
much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how things there should be
handled. patco and pob have been doing a lot of valuable work there.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote:

Hi Hans,

great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with asio (as
I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy.
Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2 -midiindev 1
-midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with previous versions of
pd-ext.

João

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about 18
months now, mostly because there are lots of big improvements, and we wanted
to make sure we got it right, so your patches all work, but the improvements
all shine. Its now solidly beta, so we’re looking for testers. Download a
nightly build to try here:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. When you
run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core engine and
pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come with multiple CPU
cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a separate CPU core than
pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd can entirely take over its
own core. If you want to make your patch use more CPU cores, then check out
the [pd~] object introduced in the last release (0.42.5).

pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on splitting that
out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work but it will also bring
big gains. In particular, it means that it will be possible for people to
write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not just the display of the patch, but
also the editing, and everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS,
JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice.
That’s the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are
looking for people to join that effort.

There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd, this
release makes big strides to address the editing experience. There are new
features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf Mode, all available
on the Edit menu.

• Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass through the
cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll see the messages
as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio cords.

• Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet expects,
and what comes out of the outlets.

• Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.

• Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to accidentally
close windows that are part of your performance.

The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. Much much
faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of messages per second
to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No more will an accidental dump
of info cause the GUI to freeze up (well, ok, maybe if you send 10,000
messages/second but that is a way too many). There are also now 5 levels of
printing messages to the Pd Window: fatal, error, normal, debug, all. If you
are only interested in fatal errors, switch the Pd Window to 0 – fatal, and
you’ll only see the worst problems. You want to see every single message to
debug? Switch to 4 – all, and you’ll get the whole firehose.

There is also the new log library, which lets you easily send messages for
those different levels. And all messages logged with the objects from the
log library are clickable: when you Ctrl-Click or Cmd-click (Mac OS X) on
the line in the Pd Window, it’ll pop up the patch where the message came
from, and highlight the specific object that printed it. That even works for
many messages from other objects as well.

The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring the input
and output levels. And for those who want to play with the GUI in realtime,
you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and directly modify and probe
the running GUI.

One thing that you can do now is customize the GUI using GUI plugins. You
can change all sorts of colors, some fonts, and many behaviors. Want to
create a new object when you triple-click? Try the tripleclick example
plugin Want to make the patch cords disappear when you leave Edit Mode?
Check out the “only show cords in edit mode” example. Those are the simple
ones. There is also Tab Completion, a search engine for the docs, a category
browser for the right-click menu, a buttonbar for creating objects, and more.

You can find many GUI plugins in the new section of the downloads page as
well as documentation for making

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-18 Thread João Pais

It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something.  
The sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost as  
if they would be dropouts.




What do you mean by noisy?  Can you give more information?  I really  
don't know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how things  
there should be handled.  patco and pob have been doing a lot of  
valuable work there.


.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote:


Hi Hans,

great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with  
asio (as I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy.
Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2  
-midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with  
previous versions of pd-ext.


João



http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time,  
about 18 months now, mostly because there are lots of big  
improvements, and we wanted to make sure we got it right, so your  
patches all work, but the improvements all shine. Its now solidly  
beta, so we’re looking for testers. Download a nightly build to try  
here:


http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch.  
When you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core  
engine and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come  
with multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a  
separate CPU core than pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd  
can entirely take over its own core. If you want to make your patch  
use more CPU cores, then check out the [pd~] object introduced in the  
last release (0.42.5).


pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on  
splitting that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work  
but it will also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it will  
be possible for people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not  
just the display of the patch, but also the editing, and everything  
else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your  
own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice. That’s the idea at least.  
That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are looking for people to  
join that effort.


There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd,  
this release makes big strides to address the editing experience.  
There are new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf  
Mode, all available on the Edit menu.


• Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass  
through the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll  
see the messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio  
cords.


• Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet  
expects, and what comes out of the outlets.


• Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.

• Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to  
accidentally close windows that are part of your performance.


The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. Much  
much faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of messages  
per second to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No more will an  
accidental dump of info cause the GUI to freeze up (well, ok, maybe if  
you send 10,000 messages/second but that is a way too many). There are  
also now 5 levels of printing messages to the Pd Window: fatal, error,  
normal, debug, all. If you are only interested in fatal errors, switch  
the Pd Window to 0 – fatal, and you’ll only see the worst problems.  
You want to see every single message to debug? Switch to 4 – all, and  
you’ll get the whole firehose.


There is also the new log library, which lets you easily send messages  
for those different levels. And all messages logged with the objects  
from the log library are clickable: when you Ctrl-Click or Cmd-click  
(Mac OS X) on the line in the Pd Window, it’ll pop up the patch where  
the message came from, and highlight the specific object that printed  
it. That even works for many messages from other objects as well.


The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring the  
input and output levels. And for those who want to play with the GUI  
in realtime, you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and  
directly modify and probe the running GUI.


One thing that you can do now is customize the GUI using GUI plugins.  
You can change all sorts of colors, some fonts, and many behaviors.  
Want to create a new object when you triple-click? Try the tripleclick  
example plugin Want to make the patch cords disappear when you leave  
Edit Mode? Check out the “only show cords in edit mode” example. Those  
are the simple ones. There is also Tab Completion, a search engine for  
the docs, a category browser for the

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Please file a bug report with as much detail as possible.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:41 PM, João Pais wrote:

It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something. The
sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost as if they
would be dropouts.

What do you mean by noisy? Can you give more information? I really don't
know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how things there
should be handled. patco and pob have been doing a lot of valuable work
there.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, João Pais wrote:

Hi Hans,

great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with asio
(as I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy.
Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2 -midiindev
1 -midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with previous versions
of pd-ext.

João

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about 18
months now, mostly because there are lots of big improvements, and we
wanted to make sure we got it right, so your patches all work, but the
improvements all shine. Its now solidly beta, so we’re looking for
testers. Download a nightly build to try here:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. When
you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core engine
and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come with
multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a separate
CPU core than pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd can entirely
take over its own core. If you want to make your patch use more CPU cores,
then check out the [pd~] object introduced in the last release (0.42.5).

pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on splitting
that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work but it will
also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it will be possible for
people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not just the display of
the patch, but also the editing, and everything else. You like
OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your own pd-gui using
the toolkit of your choice. That’s the idea at least. That will take a
solid chunk of work, so we are looking for people to join that effort.

There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd, this
release makes big strides to address the editing experience. There are new
features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf Mode, all
available on the Edit menu.

• Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass through
the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll see the
messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio cords.

• Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet
expects, and what comes out of the outlets.

• Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.

• Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to
accidentally close windows that are part of your performance.

The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. Much
much faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of messages per
second to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No more will an
accidental dump of info cause the GUI to freeze up (well, ok, maybe if you
send 10,000 messages/second but that is a way too many). There are also
now 5 levels of printing messages to the Pd Window: fatal, error, normal,
debug, all. If you are only interested in fatal errors, switch the Pd
Window to 0 – fatal, and you’ll only see the worst problems. You want to
see every single message to debug? Switch to 4 – all, and you’ll get the
whole firehose.

The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring the
input and output levels. And for those who want to play with the GUI in
realtime, you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and directly
modify and probe the running GUI.

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Looks like you downloaded the 64-bit version. See my previous mail in this
thread about the 64-bit version.

.hc

On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

Hey Hans,

I'm on OSX 10.5, and I'm getting this at startup:

.mmb

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/

The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about 18
months now, mostly because there are lots of big improvements, and we wanted
to make sure we got it right, so your patches all work, but the improvements
all shine. Its now solidly beta, so we’re looking for testers. Download a
nightly build to try here:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/

First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. When you
run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core engine and
pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come with multiple CPU
cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a separate CPU core than
pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd can entirely take over its
own core. If you want to make your patch use more CPU cores, then check out
the [pd~] object introduced in the last release (0.42.5).

pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on splitting that
out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work but it will also bring
big gains. In particular, it means that it will be possible for people to
write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not just the display of the patch, but
also the editing, and everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS,
JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice.
That’s the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are
looking for people to join that effort.

There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd, this
release makes big strides to address the editing experience. There are new
features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf Mode, all available
on the Edit menu.

• Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass through the
cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll see the messages
as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio cords.

• Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet expects,
and what comes out of the outlets.

• Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.

• Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to accidentally
close windows that are part of your performance.

Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

2012-02-18 Thread Ángel Faraldo

Hi there,

also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how big
the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test audio/midi
patch' @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio, portaudio).