Re: Le Mans

[Doug Franklin]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:25:34 -0400, Frank Theriault wrote:

> Well, this is getting a bit cumbersome, isn't it?  We will surely need a
> fundraiser, tho'!
> 
> Seriously, where's le Petit LeMans?  I should know this, and as soon as you tell
> us, I'll go "of course, I knew that!"  Maybe Road Atlanta?  Mid-America?  I
> should know this, damn it!

Petit le Mans is at Road Atlanta 3-6 October. I'll be there, with my
brother, LX, ZX-5, K 400/5.6, and others. Give me a "shout" at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like to meet up. Hint: if you've
never been there, and you're planning to carry more than about 5 pounds
of camera gear, invest in a golf cart to get you around. You just can't
believe the hills until you have to walk them with your entire kit.

TTYL, DougF

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Re: MZ-S; First impression

[Michel Adam]

- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: MZ-S; First impression


>Dataimprinting: Why on earth is the use of auto bracketting imprinted but not focal 
>length (like on the 645n)? I
>mean, the bracketed exposure values are of course imprinted anyway but why imprint 
>whether bracketing was
>done with the auto bracketing function or done manually? I rather know what lens I 
>used.
>The MZ-S may not imprint actual shutter speed in bulb mode. This is a major bug; 
>shutterspeed information is
>particularly important in low light photography in "B" mode. I'm not sure the MZ-S do 
>this - the manual is a bit
>unclear here. It clearly says that bulb is a separate exposure mode. However, in the 
>overview of imprinted
>exposure modes bulb is not listed. However, in the list of shutterspeed imprinting it 
>says that in bulb
>mode BU is imprinted - but is it really imprinted in the shutterspeed field? If so, 
>what is imprinted in the
>exposure mode field?

Ah ah, score one for the 645N...

>On the 645n BU is imprinted in the exposure mode field and the actual time is 
>imprinted
>in the  shutterspeed field. The fact that the 645n print actual shutterspeed is not 
>mentioned in the manual so

I have a brochure that VERY CLEARLY states that actual exposure time is imprinted for 
the 645N in Bulb
mode.

>theres still hope for that the MZ-S do this as well.

Please let us know ASAP. I know shooting low light / astro type photo is a tall order 
right now up north, but
even a black frame with lens cap on would clear this up. Say, 35 seconds, f2 ...

>Oh...and mine came with both batteries and a stainless steel Pentax cofee mug!

>Pål

At this point, I think I would save for the 645N, assuming it has good cold weather 
performance...

This business of BUlb mode not imprinting the actual time is a MAJOR, MAJOR show 
stopper
for me.

Michel



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Re: MZ-S and Others and real photographers

[Ann Sanfedele]

Hey, Shel welcome back!

ann semi-real photographer san

Creature's Comfort wrote:

> Doug Brewer wrote:
> >
> > Oh good. I was worried that without Shel
> > we wouldn't have anyone around to tell us
> > what Real Photographers use for Photography.
>
> A Real Photographer only uses manual equipment, has minimal
> use for built-in light meters, shoots B&W negative film, has
> no use for cameras that require the use of functions or an
> encyclopedic "user's" manual, and has no need to understand
> such acronyms as FPS, Tv, Av, Hp, LCD, and other such
> silliness.
>

snip snip - just cause you all read this already


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Re: MZ-S and Others

[tom]

You missed us, didn't you?

That's so sweet.

tv

Creature's Comfort wrote:
> 
> Doug Brewer wrote:
> >
> > Oh good. I was worried that without Shel
> > we wouldn't have anyone around to tell us
> > what Real Photographers use for Photography.
> 
> A Real Photographer only uses manual equipment, has minimal
> use for built-in light meters, shoots B&W negative film, has
> no use for cameras that require the use of functions or an
> encyclopedic "user's" manual, and has no need to understand
> such acronyms as FPS, Tv, Av, Hp, LCD, and other such
> silliness.
>
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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Doug Brewer]

I am indeed.

Carry on, then

Doug



At 1:45 PM -04006/18/01, Otis Wright, Jr.  donned the ruby slippers, tapped the heels 
together three times, and chanted:
>Our humor is doing just fine, it is yours we are worried about.
>
>Are you smiling?
>
>Otis Wright
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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Creature's Comfort wrote:

> A Real Photographer [snip]


He's baaack!

:)
chris

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RE: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Chuck Riccardo wrote:

> As a former studio photographer (Hartford, CT and NYC) - I stopped
> buying high end stuff (Nikon and Blad) from the locals because they
> are too high,

By how much?  Are they negotiable?  It's nice to be able to handle the
stuff before you buy it, and that's where local shops come in handy.  I
see nothing wrong with paying a bit of a premium for local service, since
when your cojones are in the figurative vice, local shops are often the
only people who can help you out in time.

> can't stock,

And they never will if no one wants to buy stuff from them.  Sheesh...
vicious circle.  While it's nice to want a local shop to carry every
single piece of equipment that you might want, it's impractical to expect
most of them to.  Once you actually start buying stuff from them, they'll
see what high-end stuff they can sell and can hopefully start to stock
some of those items regularly.

> and usually unable or unwilling to remedy their mistakes.

That's inexcusable.  The main advantage of a local shop is the rapport
that you can build with them, and if they're doing nothing about their own
errors, that's not a good sign.

> Bot a ton of stuff from 47th st photo a hundred years ago and am now
> buying happily from B&H. BTW, I am buying used gear from B&H (lots of
> Pentax 67), and finding that when you disagree with them on the
> condition of the gear, they will negotiate or happily take it back for
> credit which appears very promptly on your credit card.

All of which a local shop should be able to do, only quicker.  And at
least you can see the gear before you buy it.  I'm not trying to say that
you should never buy from B&H, etc., but if you have a decent local shop
that genuinely wants your business, you can get an excellent working
relationship going by buying some big-ticket items from them.  Both types
of store have their advantages, but local stores are quickly becoming an
endangered species.

chris

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Re: OT: Darkroom Horror

[Creature's Comfort]

Collin ...

Do you bang the tank down on the workspace after each
agitation cycle to dislodge air bubbles?

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

> What I'm not enjoying in the darkroom is a new problem.
> My T-Max development went ok once I figured out times.
> But my Tri-X film has spots on it.  Even-sized dots.
> I agitate regularly.  Any ideas?

-- 
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Re: Pentax Spotmeter V

[Creature's Comfort]

Hi Ed ...

Probably in the $200.00 range.  I've been offered a little
more than that for mine, which includes the case, cap, and
instruction booklet, and paid about that when I bought it
about 18-months ago.

Ed asked:
> 
> What is a fair price for a pristine (used of course) 
> Pentax Spotmeter V complete with manual and zippered 
> case? 
-- 
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Re: Pentax Spotmeter V

[LEDMRVM]

In a message dated 6/18/2001 10:03:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
>  Yup!  I sent one immediately after the joking one.  In case it's
>  disappeared, they've gone for anywhere from $50-$150 on eBay lately,
>  depending on condition and the position of Jupiter on alternate Thursdays.
>  
>  chris
>  

Thanks, Chris. Sorry I missed the serious one. 
Ed
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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Creature's Comfort]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> 
> Oh good. I was worried that without Shel 
> we wouldn't have anyone around to tell us 
> what Real Photographers use for Photography.

A Real Photographer only uses manual equipment, has minimal
use for built-in light meters, shoots B&W negative film, has
no use for cameras that require the use of functions or an
encyclopedic "user's" manual, and has no need to understand
such acronyms as FPS, Tv, Av, Hp, LCD, and other such
silliness.

A Real Photographer has no need for digital anything, auto
rewind, data imprinting, any sort of auto focus, and doesn't
wait around for a "flagship" camera. He eschews zoom lenses,
camera gear made of plastic, anything rated as "consumer",
matrix metering, or 35mm cameras larger than an LX.  

A Real Photographer has never used a camera that must be
"programmed" to be used, or one which relies extensively on
batteries or small internal combustion engines in order to
operate.  He uses a camera with a real pentaprism rather than
a silly "hall of mirrors" viewfinder, and prefers lenses with
DOF scales on them.

A Real Photographer knows how to process his own film, make
enlargements, use his camera without looking at its dials,
knobs, or levers, and would never be caught with a camera that
has pictures of a happy face on a glowing dial.

A Real Photographer understands film speed, doesn't need DX
encoding, and knows how to use a variety of light meters other
than the one that's built into his camera.  

There ya go Doug ... I just had to put everything in proper
perspective 

-- 
Sheldon Belinkoff
CREATURE'S COMFORT
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Re: Pentax Spotmeter V

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >  Oh, about $5 or $10, I would guess.  I'll email you my address privately
> >  so you can ship it ASAP.
> >  
> >  :)
> >  chris
> 
> I guess you work for Cambridge Camera. Any chance of a serious answer? :-)

Yup!  I sent one immediately after the joking one.  In case it's
disappeared, they've gone for anywhere from $50-$150 on eBay lately,
depending on condition and the position of Jupiter on alternate Thursdays.

chris

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Re: Le Mans

[Frank Theriault]

And, having searched "le petit lemans" on Google (I guess I should have done
this before I immediately replied to you a few minutes ago), it appears to be
held at Road Atlanta - I fine racetrack, I've heard.

regards,
frank

Paul Jones wrote:

> LeMans is a town in france?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Frank Theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Le Mans
>
> > Well, this is getting a bit cumbersome, isn't it?  We will surely need a
> > fundraiser, tho'!
> >
> > Seriously, where's le Petit LeMans?  I should know this, and as soon as
> you tell
> > us, I'll go "of course, I knew that!"  Maybe Road Atlanta?  Mid-America?
> I
> > should know this, damn it!
> >
> > -frank
> >
> > ps:  of course you're welcome, CW!
> >
> > CW wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:32:54 -0400
> > > From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Le Mans
> > >
> > > You're in, Steve!  Now we just have to get the funding in place.  :-)
> > > - -frank
> > >
> > > Stephen Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > Frank Theriault wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> > > > > "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)
> > > >
> > > > You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
> > > > We get credentials with that?  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Moore
> > >
> > > Well, that takes the cakeI bring it up and I'm cut out of the trip
> right
> > > off the bat  You guys need someone to reload for you and get coffee,
> > > right???
> > >
> > > Cory Waters
> > > (looking forward to Le Petite Le Mans later this Summer.  Got loads of
> nice
> > > shots from the infield last year!!!)
> > >
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Re: Le Mans

[Frank Theriault]

Yes.  Yes it is a town in France.  But isn't there a race in the US called le
Petit LeMans?  I'll have to check it out and get back to you.

-frank

Paul Jones wrote:

> LeMans is a town in france?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Frank Theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Le Mans
>
> > Well, this is getting a bit cumbersome, isn't it?  We will surely need a
> > fundraiser, tho'!
> >
> > Seriously, where's le Petit LeMans?  I should know this, and as soon as
> you tell
> > us, I'll go "of course, I knew that!"  Maybe Road Atlanta?  Mid-America?
> I
> > should know this, damn it!
> >
> > -frank
> >
> > ps:  of course you're welcome, CW!
> >
> > CW wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:32:54 -0400
> > > From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Le Mans
> > >
> > > You're in, Steve!  Now we just have to get the funding in place.  :-)
> > > - -frank
> > >
> > > Stephen Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > Frank Theriault wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> > > > > "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)
> > > >
> > > > You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
> > > > We get credentials with that?  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Moore
> > >
> > > Well, that takes the cakeI bring it up and I'm cut out of the trip
> right
> > > off the bat  You guys need someone to reload for you and get coffee,
> > > right???
> > >
> > > Cory Waters
> > > (looking forward to Le Petite Le Mans later this Summer.  Got loads of
> nice
> > > shots from the infield last year!!!)
> > >
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> > fears it is true." -J. Robert
> > Oppenheimer
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Re: Pentax CCD back design

[John Mustarde]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:16:37 -0800, you wrote:
snip
>
>   Why is _fast_ so interesting to everybody?  Most of use shoot 100ISO or
>slower film.  100ISO equivalant CCD is perfectly sufficient, isn't it?
>Sure, faster would be nicer, but I'm looking for something mainly for
>creative photography, not mainly for low light photography.

Long lenses require shorter shutter speeds to avoid
camera shake. Plus, faster ISO and faster shutter speed
helps freeze action. In these cases, ISO 400 to 800 is
very useful. A camera that will only shoot 100 ISO is
very limiting.
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Re: Le Mans

[Paul Jones]

LeMans is a town in france?


- Original Message -
From: "Frank Theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Le Mans


> Well, this is getting a bit cumbersome, isn't it?  We will surely need a
> fundraiser, tho'!
>
> Seriously, where's le Petit LeMans?  I should know this, and as soon as
you tell
> us, I'll go "of course, I knew that!"  Maybe Road Atlanta?  Mid-America?
I
> should know this, damn it!
>
> -frank
>
> ps:  of course you're welcome, CW!
>
> CW wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:32:54 -0400
> > From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Le Mans
> >
> > You're in, Steve!  Now we just have to get the funding in place.  :-)
> > - -frank
> >
> > Stephen Moore wrote:
> >
> > > Frank Theriault wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> > > > "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)
> > >
> > > You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
> > > We get credentials with that?  :-)
> > >
> > > Stephen Moore
> >
> > Well, that takes the cakeI bring it up and I'm cut out of the trip
right
> > off the bat  You guys need someone to reload for you and get coffee,
> > right???
> >
> > Cory Waters
> > (looking forward to Le Petite Le Mans later this Summer.  Got loads of
nice
> > shots from the infield last year!!!)
> >
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> fears it is true." -J. Robert
> Oppenheimer
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RE: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???

[Chuck Riccardo]

As a former studio photographer (Hartford, CT and NYC) - I stopped buying
high end stuff (Nikon and Blad) from the locals because they are too high,
can't stock, and usually unable or unwilling to remedy their mistakes. Bot a
ton of stuff from 47th st photo a hundred years ago and am now buying
happily from B&H. BTW, I am buying used gear from B&H (lots of Pentax 67),
and finding that when you disagree with them on the condition of the gear,
they will negotiate or happily take it back for credit which appears very
promptly on your credit card.

One caveat - I strongly suspect what they call a "demo" piece is really just
a cherry used item which they guarantee, but what the heck if the price is
right.

Anther comment - These Pentax 67 cameras are really a good deal. Well built,
fun to use, and they produces some really sharp stuff. I shoot mostly
outdoors. Still think I would want the Blads if I was doing studio stuff
tho.

Chuck


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???


On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

> I've heard lots of complaints over the years on this list that it's
> hard to find places that stock the good stuff from Pentax on the
> shelves, where you can come in and look at it and shop.  Well,
> ordering mail-order is the best way to ensure that the situation gets
> worse.

Hear, hear!  I second everything that Aaron said.  It's a vicious
circle.  Local stores aren't as likely to carry the more expensive stuff
because very few people buy it, and those who do often use mail-order
instead.  If local stores see that they can actually sell upper-end items,
there's more reason for them to stock them as a matter of course, meaning
that you get more fun stuff to play with when you browse there.

Would I pay a premium for shopping locally?  Definitely, because of the
many, many advantages.  And if the local shop is *way* more expensive,
then try talking to them.  Explain the situation, show them what other
places are selling the item for, and see if there's some way they can meet
you in the middle, or at least give you a good deal on some other
stuff.  Believe me, they're not getting rich selling you cameras.  There's
a ridiculously low mark-up on cameras, and most local stores can only
survive because of their photofinishing.

chris

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Re: Le Mans

[Frank Theriault]

Well, this is getting a bit cumbersome, isn't it?  We will surely need a
fundraiser, tho'!

Seriously, where's le Petit LeMans?  I should know this, and as soon as you tell
us, I'll go "of course, I knew that!"  Maybe Road Atlanta?  Mid-America?  I
should know this, damn it!

-frank

ps:  of course you're welcome, CW!

CW wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:32:54 -0400
> From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Le Mans
>
> You're in, Steve!  Now we just have to get the funding in place.  :-)
> - -frank
>
> Stephen Moore wrote:
>
> > Frank Theriault wrote:
> >
> > > Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> > > "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)
> >
> > You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
> > We get credentials with that?  :-)
> >
> > Stephen Moore
>
> Well, that takes the cakeI bring it up and I'm cut out of the trip right
> off the bat  You guys need someone to reload for you and get coffee,
> right???
>
> Cory Waters
> (looking forward to Le Petite Le Mans later this Summer.  Got loads of nice
> shots from the infield last year!!!)
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Re: I'm Back /Portland race shots

[Paul Jones]

That is an swesome shot, what film were you using?


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> John Francis ---"Here are some photographs I took last year.  There's even
> one shot
> (Kenny Brack's pit stop) taken with a 600mm focal length.
>
> http://motorsport.com/photos/gallery.asp?L=cart/pi00/pi00-1-imagelist.txt";
>
> John, DAMN that pitstop photo is cool.  The heat shimmer is great :)
>
> Cory Waters
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Re: SMC Screw Tak 85mm...? WTB

[Steve Barbour]

will stay tuned..Steve
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:10 PM
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> i WILL BE AUCTIONING ONE AT EBAY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW FEEKS.
> JCO
>
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Barbour
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:28 PM
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> > Subject: SMC Screw Tak 85mm...? WTB
> >
> >
> > WTB  . SMC Screw Takumar 85mm in exc/mint condition info/
details?
> > price? thanks Steve
> >
> >
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RE: I'm Back /Portland race shots

[CW]

John Francis ---"Here are some photographs I took last year.  There's even
one shot
(Kenny Brack's pit stop) taken with a 600mm focal length.

http://motorsport.com/photos/gallery.asp?L=cart/pi00/pi00-1-imagelist.txt";

John, DAMN that pitstop photo is cool.  The heat shimmer is great :)

Cory Waters






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RE: Le Mans

[CW]

Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:32:54 -0400
From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Le Mans

You're in, Steve!  Now we just have to get the funding in place.  :-)
- -frank

Stephen Moore wrote:

> Frank Theriault wrote:
>
> > Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> > "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)
>
> You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
> We get credentials with that?  :-)
>
> Stephen Moore

Well, that takes the cakeI bring it up and I'm cut out of the trip right
off the bat  You guys need someone to reload for you and get coffee,
right???

Cory Waters
(looking forward to Le Petite Le Mans later this Summer.  Got loads of nice
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Re: Another ME Super, more weirdness

[Dan Scott]

D*mn it, Bones ... that isn't what I wanted to hear.

Dan Scott
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OT: Darkroom Horror

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Ok.
What I'm not enjoying in the darkroom is a new problem.
My T-Max development went ok once I figured out times.
But my Tri-X film has spots on it.  Even-sized dots.
I agitate regularly.  Any ideas?

TIA,

Collin

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RE: SMC Screw Tak 85mm...? WTB

[J. C. O'Connell]

i WILL BE AUCTIONING ONE AT EBAY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW FEEKS.
JCO

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>
>
> WTB  . SMC Screw Takumar 85mm in exc/mint condition info/ details?
> price? thanks Steve
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Re: Pentax Spotmeter V

[LEDMRVM]

In a message dated 6/18/2001 7:53:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > What is a fair price for a pristine (used of course) Pentax Spotmeter
>  > V complete with manual and zippered case? I am checking the price for
>  > a relative. Also, if anyone is interested in same, please e-mail me
>  > privately.
>  
>  Oh, about $5 or $10, I would guess.  I'll email you my address privately
>  so you can ship it ASAP.
>  
>  :)
>  chris
>  

I guess you work for Cambridge Camera. Any chance of a serious answer? :-)

Regards,
Ed M.
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RE: Pentax CCD back design

[John Francis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax CCD back design
> 
>   Ditto here -- that's a big part of the reason I was 
> suggesting using a
> current camera.  The rest being that 35mm cameras have a lot 
> of creative
> exposure controls.  It was a few years ago, but last time I 
> looked, consumer
> leven digital cameras didn't have the same kinds of creative exposure
> controls, being more targeted at the point-and-shoot 
> replacement market.
> Personally, I'm not interested in a digital camera until I 
> have control over
> exposures from (at least) 1/1000th to 16sec., have full 
> control of DOF, can
> use an "OTF" flash, etc.
>   If we can't take advantage of the creative exposure 
> control available in
> the 35mm body, then I personally don't seem much point in 
> mating the thing
> to one.

Nowadays you can actually get more control from some of the
the digital bodies than you can get from a conventional body.

Many of the "prosumer" digital cameras priced around $800
(Nikon 990, Canon G1, Olympus 3040, Sony S75, etc., etc.)
offer most of these features - enough to come pretty close
to the amount of creative exposure control you want.  In
fact all of them offer more; they  offer the ability to
dynamically change the ISO rating (and at least one offers
an ISO 50 mode which has significantly lower noise), and
some allow dynamic selection of the white point (useful
when switching between various lighting conditions).


Stick a 1GB MicroDrive in the G1 and you can take around
1000 images without having to change media (or a mere 300
if you insist on capturing RAW mode images at 2k x 1.5k)

-- 
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Re: Pentax Spotmeter V

[Chris Brogden]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What is a fair price for a pristine (used of course) Pentax Spotmeter
> V complete with manual and zippered case? I am checking the price for
> a relative. Also, if anyone is interested in same, please e-mail me
> privately.

Oh, about $5 or $10, I would guess.  I'll email you my address privately
so you can ship it ASAP.

:)
chris

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Re: Pentax CCD back design

[Patrick White]

"Gerald F. Cermak" wrote:
> Let me add a interest in having the CCD back done on a new
> back plate, not a
> modification to the existing film back.  I'd hate to see a
> bunch of LXs and
> MXs on Ebay sans their backs.  :)

I agree.. build it into a replacement back.  That's what originally caused
me to bring it up -- my pz-1p has a removeable back and my experimental
camera (a Ricoh) also has one.

> How about just a prototype that connects to a lap top via
> firewire (or USB,
> albeit a little slower)?  For experimental purposes, I could
> easily imagine
> having a digital back added to a spotmatic without an LCD and on-board
> storage, and rely on a small laptop for the computing/viewing/storage
> functions.  It would be way better than any small LCD you
> could find space
> for on a 35mm camera body.

What about a palmtop?  It can be the preview LCD screen too.  The Compaq
model has a screen that is very visable in daylight (the sunnier the easier
it is to see, I hear) and it also lit for dark use.

> Megapixels aren't so important, but full frame (24x36mm)
> coverage is.  Even
> a 2MP CCD at full frame would provide for wonderful images
> due to the lens
> choices I would have over a P&S style zoom digicam.

Ditto here -- that's a big part of the reason I was suggesting using a
current camera.  The rest being that 35mm cameras have a lot of creative
exposure controls.  It was a few years ago, but last time I looked, consumer
leven digital cameras didn't have the same kinds of creative exposure
controls, being more targeted at the point-and-shoot replacement market.
Personally, I'm not interested in a digital camera until I have control over
exposures from (at least) 1/1000th to 16sec., have full control of DOF, can
use an "OTF" flash, etc.
If we can't take advantage of the creative exposure control available in
the 35mm body, then I personally don't seem much point in mating the thing
to one.

>  In addition, you will need some IR block filter
> glass over the CCD
> to achieve good color.

Or as a separate, removeable, filter for some interesting creative imagery
:-)

>  Larger fast CCDs run hot, and means
> of cooling them
> might be considered (to get consistent result and longevity
> of the CCD).

Some of the astro folks are using peltiers to cool their sensors, so I
guess that's an option (assuming battery life isn't :-).

> What ISO ranges are interesting in the CCD to people?
> Ideally, something
> capable of ISO100 to ISO800 would be a minimum, with a 1600
> or even 3200
> being superb (if it is possible at all).

Why is _fast_ so interesting to everybody?  Most of use shoot 100ISO or
slower film.  100ISO equivalant CCD is perfectly sufficient, isn't it?
Sure, faster would be nicer, but I'm looking for something mainly for
creative photography, not mainly for low light photography.

> Gerald

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Re: Pentax CCD back design

[Philippe Trottier]

> FWIW, I was thinking more along the lines of an open design, DIY project
> with the initial design making cost tradeoffs more toward buildability and
> affordability than for maximizing quality.  Whichever works though.

1st let's take a look at the price of components and PCB, the Philips unit
is heavy but fullframe. spliting and mosaic CCD aren't proper for
Photography
you would end up with couple of electronicaly generated pixels... and some
funny artefact would show.

At the moment there is 4 quality of CCD you can buy... in the case of a
mosaic
it would nearly be better to use a low quality with dead columns

If everyone agrees on it I am willing to make it open design GPL type thing.
but that is if the majority of the people WORKING on the project agree. It's
that simple... if not prototyping and other cost will be splitted between
us...
return if ever will be returned between us too.

I tought of making a K mount box... but then the mecanical shutter is still
needed
 in most case ...

At the moment I/we just pick up ideas and bunch them together... We will see
where it goes and how much it costs...

Phil


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Re: I'm Back ...

[Gerald F. Cermak]

John Francis writes:

> First impressions - it's really small if you are used to a PZ-1p,
> and feels a bit nose-heavy with the old FA 28-105 attached.  I'm
> looking forward to testing the multipoint autofocus on fast-moving
> cars in Portland this coming weekend.

I'll also be in Portland this weekend with some friends, starting Friday
morning.  I've never been to the track there, so do you have any good
recommendations for places to camp out with a camera (e.g. which turns
present the best action) ?

Also, what would be a good long lens to bring?  I'm definitely bringing my
A*200/2.5, and possibly my 300/4 SMC Tak, along with assorted shorter focal
lengths, and my LX and PZ1p.  Will a 1.7x converter get much use with either
of these lenses there?

Maybe we could meet up for a little while and shoot some rolls together.

Thanks,
Gerald


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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Our humor is doing just fine, it is yours we are worried about.

Are you smiling?

Otis Wright

"Brewer, Doug" wrote:

> For the humor impaired, I was smiling when I typed my response to Bob.
>
> Doug
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: MZ-S and Others
>
> Oh good. I was worried that without Shel we wouldn't have anyone around to
> tell us what Real Photographers use for Photography.
>
> Welcome, Bob. You have assumed an honored place. I look forward to your
> contributions.
>
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Re: OT: Making contacts using a flatbed scanner

[Cotty]

>I tried many times to do that, because the slide/negative accessory cover of
>the scanner does not allow to have more than 4 frames from the strips to be
>scanned. I usually have a look at the negs by scanning them, but I'm still
>looking for a way to have the entire roll scanned at once. What kind of
>settings were you using? If I set the scanner to do negs or slides it
>automatically covers only a little portion of the A4 frame.

Hi Gianfranco,

I was using a plain old A4 flatbed scanner without a transparency 
adapter. I simply laid the sheet of negs on top of the glass that you 
would normally put a page of text or a print on. On top of that, I put 
the lightbox, upside down so it is pointing down at the negs, effectively 
lighting them from behind. Obviously when the scan starts, the scanner's 
own light comes on, but the light from the lightbox is plenty to get the 
detail of the negs onto the computer. Then, in Photoshop (or whatever app 
you use) simply invert the image from a positive to a negative (if this 
was a page of text, it would appear then a negative, but as we're 
scanning negatives, this turns them into 'positives', and perfect for 
keeping on the computer, or even printing off to keep with the 
appropriate neg sheet.

Hope this helps,

Cotty

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Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???

[Arnold Stark]

> So a "regular sale price" of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're
> heading.

For European Pentax enthusiasts it may be interesting that Audiophil Foto
(http://www.internet-foto.de/) in Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle) lists the MZ-S at 1949
DM (860 US$).

Arnold

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Re: Pentax CCD back design

[Patrick White]

A 36mm x 24mm sensor would be nice, but what about using a smaller sensor
and some glass to compress the 24x36 image onto it?  Or how about an array
of smaller CCD sensors and, if needed, some optics to direct the image away
from the seams?
If you're putting an LCD preview screen on the thing, then why are we
talking about a camera _back_?  Just build it in your favorite box and put a
Pentax lens mount on the front.  If resonably priced, it might get an even
larger market by allowing other lens mounts to be put on the box too.
BTW, if building it in a box with a lens mount, and putting in optics, then
might as well go the multiple sensor route for better image quality.

BTW, for those intersted in the astro cameras, try these links:
http://www.willbell.com/ccd/ccd5.htm (review of book on how to do it --
this seems to be _the_ resource on this stuff as many other web pages refer
to it)
http://www.wvi.com/~rberry/cookbook.htm
http://home.t-online.de/home/mrimkus/ng_cook/ngcbmain.htm

FWIW, I was thinking more along the lines of an open design, DIY project
with the initial design making cost tradeoffs more toward buildability and
affordability than for maximizing quality.  Whichever works though.

later,
patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED])


"Philippe Trottier" wrote:
> Components list for Pentax CCD back
>
> - -Pentax back LX and MX for me ... what else ???
> - -Power supply
> Linear tech has a cool 90% efficiency power supply for 2
> x AA let's
> make
> it 4 AA with a hand pack ???
>
> - -Mass storage
>
> - -CCD
> Ok guys start your search engine... I only found some sony and
> National
> small size sensors so far.. help me there.
>
> - -LCD
> How about a color TFT ??  www.sharpmeg.com  LQ038Q5DR01
> 3.8" 450nits
> 320x240 (4:3)
>
> Hey albano, can you make a survey =)
>
>  CCD back interest ?
>  How much of the frame is acceptable ? 50% 60 % 70% 80%
> 90% 100% ??
>  Camera Frame ? PZ-1, MZ-?, LX, MX, KX, ME, Program,  
> Minium interesting resolution ? 1024x768 ? 1280x960 ?
>  Price range ?
>  Mass storage ? Compact flash, MMC, Smart Media (see
> www.sandisk.com)
>
> Anyone interested by doing a cheap version low res 1st
> and then make
> a
> 2nd run with high res when we get some experience ?
>
> I calculated my design costs to be around 12000$US for
> hardware and some
> 7000-9500$US for software...
> hardware sample (one unit) will chirp around 2000$US, I am
> ready to cut
> about 30% because it's more of a hobby than real work...
>
> as an incentive I can say that those who chip in for the design cost
> will
> have a return on other unit sold afterward ...
>
> production cost ... depends on the product selected... and I
> am waiting
> for
> some price quote from Sharp, Linear tech and couple of other folks...
>
> Phil
>
>
> > It is actually quite a bit behind the times. It has no features to
> > speak of, low resolution, requires external (proprietary) devices to
> > view/load/ download images, and is very expensive to boot.
> I'm afraid
> > that this project will be DOA. The only way that this could
> be viable
> is
> > if you could replace the entire camera back. This way, it might be
> able
> > to take advantage of some of the positives that digital photography
> > offers by incorporating an LCD screen. I used to think that the
> "digital
> > film" thing was a good idea until I used some real digital cameras.
> >
> > Isaac
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Bruce Dayton]

I just have to reply to one point here.  I hear so many times about how
useless fast shutter speeds are.  What people seem to always forget (or
never realize) is that high speed shutters also have high speed flash synch.
I don't know of any shutters synching at 1/250 that are slower than 1/8000.
Try shooting a wedding in the middle of the day and knock out eye shadows
and still get a blurred background.  Or try doing indoor and night sports
where you need flash and action stopping.  I have shot a 1/125 and get ugly
blur.  Also 2nd curtain synch is coupled to the shutter speed.  Those slow
shutters just don't cut it.

I felt the same when all I had was a Super Program.  Fill flash was a
caluation and not done very often.  But, my pictures showed it too.  Since
working with a PZ-1p, I say Thank You Pentax for a fast shutter and fast
flash synch and automatic fill flash.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA



- Original Message -
From: Bob Rapp
To: pentax discuss
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: MZ-S and Others

>Snip...
>1/6000 shutter speed. Who needs it. I have only been caught out once when I
grabbed Tri X rather than Plus X for an important >shooting assignment. Back
then, 1/2000 was not available and I just mounted a polariser on the lens to
allow me to open up to f8 or 11.



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I'm Back ...

[John Francis]

... after a brief few weeks of (rather unexpected) free time between
engagements.   But at least that gave me time to spend a couple of
days in Yosemite (with one of my remaining rolls of RG25 in one MX,
and black & white film in the other one).  Murphy, however, managed
to delay delivery of my MZ-S until the day after I got back, and so
I haven't even managed to run a roll of film through it yet!

First impressions - it's really small if you are used to a PZ-1p,
and feels a bit nose-heavy with the old FA 28-105 attached.  I'm
looking forward to testing the multipoint autofocus on fast-moving
cars in Portland this coming weekend.

One observation:  for getting on for $1000, you'd think they could
at least include some batteries in the box!  There's a battery in
the date back, but no CR2 batteries in the camera.  I suppose that's
because I might be using the battery grip, but it's still annoying.

-- 
John Francis(650) 429-4427

Hello.  My name is Darth Vader.  I am your Father.  Prepare to die.
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Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???

[Bruce Dayton]

Bill,

Build quality for me was a *major* factor in deciding to buy one.  My PZ-1ps
have served me well.  But I would like an LX like (build quality) modern AF
camera.  The MZ-S is that camera in the Pentax line. I look forward to
receiving mine soon.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Jones" <
> Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
>
>
> > yeah, just like the a PZ1p Would be more successful if it were
> sold for
> > $300.
>
> I am sort of curious about this price point thing. The talk has
> been completely about price to obvious features, such as top
> shutter speed or flash sync or number of focus points, etc.
> Nothing has ever been mentioned about setting price according to
> build quality, or what would be a reasonable mark up based on
> cost to produce vs. expected sales over the life of the product.
> Especially build quality, from what I have heard on this list,
> the MZ-S build quality is better than the cameras it is supposed
> to be competing with. Build quality does cost money. Magnesium
> alloy costs more than aluminium or steel to produce, and a metal
> skin costs more than a plastic one.
> I don't think we can even begin to compare the pricing of a
> camera with the build of the MZ-S against the build of plastic
> competitors.
> At least, not logically.
>
> William Robb
> Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up.
> Please see:
> http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html
> for more information.
> Submission deadline is June 30, 2001


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RE: MZ-S and More ?

[Matamoros, Cesar A.]

Len,

The owner´s manual states that the high-speed sync is available with
the AF360FGZ both while on the camera and wireless.

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


> -Original Message-
> From: Len Paris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 7:19 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: MZ-S and More ?
> 
> Pentax's data sheets/brochures say that the RTF only syncs up to
> 1/180 sec.  I believe that in order to get flash sync to 1/6000
> sec we have to buy a brand new flash designed specifically for
> the MZ-S with that feature.  Another $300+ investment, if it's
> priced close to the AF500FTZ.  It's probably worth the price.
> 
> Len
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RE: MZ-S and More ?

[Matamoros, Cesar A.]

Pål,

The manual states that (RTF) ... "Flash-sync-speed in the range from
1/180 to a slower speed,".

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


> -Original Message-
> From: Pål Jensen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 4:54 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: MZ-S and More ?
> 
> Len wrote:
> 
> > Pentax's data sheets/brochures say that the RTF only syncs up to
> > 1/180 sec.  
> 
> 
> Its says flash synch is 1/180s but theres nothing saying high-speed synch
> is limited to remote flashes. It says the following:
> 
> . High-speed flash synchronization up to 1/6000 sec. with
> built-in flash or with new AF360FGZ wireless TTL flash unit
> 
> 
> Pål
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RE: Solar eclipse at summer solstice!

[Rob Brigham]

Let me start by saying I have no liking for C***n, have never used one
and have no intention of using or promoting their product.

Having got that said, I saw a reference on a chat site to the following:

http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/lenscanon/news_en.htm

>Canon : The new season will be hot ? [06/15/2001] 
>Will be the new season hot ?? In september we may see some news :

>- The new SLR digital pro body based on the EOS 1V which includes a 6MP

>sensor, a focal ratio of 1,3 (1,6 for the D30). It's still not the size
of a 
>24x36mm. The body will be composed by a CCD sensor. The price is
supposed to 
>be twice the D30 price.
>- A new wide-angle zoom 16-35 f/2,8
>- And the long awaited... EF 70-200/2,8L IS USM !
>Somebody have told me that this is confidential informations from Canon
!
>We will see that in september !! 

Come on Pentax - get your full frame out onto the market and be a market
LEADER again before everyone else does it!

Also for those constructing their own digital back for Pentax SLR, this
obviously uses a sensor which is closer to full frame and may be of
interest.

Rob BRigham
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SMC A 70-210 f4 tip

[Jim Brooks]

Hi there
Don't know if this is a common problem or a well-known solution but here
goes:

My A70~210 f4 was getting loose on the zoom / focus ring. Although the
mechanism itself was nice and tight, the ring wobbled.

After a little investigation I found that the ring is held to the lens
mechanism by a metal ring about 3mm wide, fastened with four small
(hobby-screwdriver size) Philips screws. This ring resides beneath the grip
rubber at the camera end of the zoom / focus ring. There is no need to
remove the rubber grip, simply peel back a few mm at this end. Tighten the
screws (maybe add a smidgen of thread locker) and the lens is as good as
new.

Apologies if this is common knowledge but it saved me a trip to the repairer
so it may help someone out there!

Regards
Jim Brooks



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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Brewer, Doug]

For the humor impaired, I was smiling when I typed my response to Bob.

Doug



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Subject: Re: MZ-S and Others 


Oh good. I was worried that without Shel we wouldn't have anyone around to
tell us what Real Photographers use for Photography.
 
Welcome, Bob. You have assumed an honored place. I look forward to your
contributions.


Doug
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OT: Solar eclipse at summer solstice!

[Jostein Oksne]

On June 21. there will be a total solar eclipse in Southern Africa; the
first total eclipse in this millenium. There are plans to webcast the whole
thing through:
http://www.live-eclipse.org/eng/

Jostein
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Re: Le Mans

[Stephen Moore]

Frank Theriault wrote:
 
> Now, if pdml members want to take up a collection and send me as the
> "designated photog" next year, I'd be happy to!  :-)

You'll need a backup, won't you? (It's 24 hours and a *long* track.)
We get credentials with that?  :-)

Stephen Moore
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Re: I hate people photography!

[Doug Brewer]

Why wouldn't you take your camera in the boat?

Doug


At 2:21 PM -05006/17/01, jeepgirl  donned the ruby slippers, tapped the heels together 
three times, and chanted:
>Need I say more?
>jeepgirl.
>
>I was the "official photographer at our family's 3 day family reunion this
>weekend.  Which also happened to be my mother's 50th birthday.  I had a
>blast trying to organize the group photo.  (I didn't know my granny could
>cuss till yesterday.)  I also had a blast trying to explain a hundred times
>why I wouldn't take my camera out in the boat to take pictures of xyz's kid
>ski-ing.  or swimming.
>Anyone who is a people photographer I admire you!.
>jeepgirl
-- 
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Ashwood Lake Photography
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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CCD project V0.11 (long and going private)

[Philippe Trottier]

Hello everyone,

Here are the 1st real notes on the CCD back process... and also some test
for folks around...

As it is now, I think this will be the last email here, those who want to be
kept in the wheel ... well
express yourself, I will try to send the main list some milestone for the
major info as when the spec will
be frozen and ready for finalising, then proto, then the rest.

I think this can be done nicely and fun. The schematics/layout/software
should belong (my suggestion)
to those who put work in it.
We already have a software guy that raised a hand (hurray),
We would need a mecanical designer...
We would also need an Opto guy , for possibly make a simple correction
lense...
and more than one each is always better =)

Mainly the current part list is for starting the process, parts will be
changed and adapted until the
functions can be provided

Also other brand have asked to join making this more possible project...
Philippe

PS: stop talking, start doing


-
CCV V0.11
V0.1 first release
V0.11 CCD Philipps FTF3020C,  Altera EPF8282ALC84-4 (processor)


Problem:
-2.4mm from the top of glass to ccd sensor...
-Sensor will be further than normal film, so we will lose infinity...

Solutions from best solution to worst:
-Find another sensor or custom make one ??
-Make a corrective glass on the sensor ??? (not my beer, but if someone is
good there... let's talk)
-Use AF lenses as they can focus past infinity , but how much will it give
-Use a weak home made Teleconverter...
-Use a smaller apperture this is not pretty but working +/-
-Machine some part of the frame ?? ouch
-Make a complete K mount frame from scratch using mirror box from certain
model  (if we find a mec designer)
-Remove CCD glass then the chip frame to CCD goes down to 1.3mm instead of
2.4mm

--

Actions and Testing:
-Take a AF lense and see how far is the lense going at infinity
-Query price of sensor (Called Philips Europe waiting phone call)
-Query price of LCD
-Query price of small bits and pieces
-Make part lib
-Make 1st layout (in process)
-Make price study of current BOM (see below)
-Find a full frame lower res sensor ?

-
Functionality:

 -Back
Custom made Back for various frame
LX (3)
MX (1)
PZ-1P(2)
Leica (1)

total 6
goal for 1st batch 10-15..

-Power supply
 4 AA
external batt pack

-Mass storage
Compact flash Type 2 (up to 1Gb and more later)

-Processor
FPGA Altera EPF8282ALC84-4

-CCD
Philipps FTF3020C

-LCD
 www.sharpmeg.com  LQ038Q5DR01 3.8" 450nits 320x240 (4:3)
looking for a 3:2 ratio




BOM Component lists (From reference design)

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Philipps FTF3020C
sharp LQ038Q5DR01
Electrolytic capacitor 100µF/16V Sanyo 16CV100GX
Electrolytic capacitor 10µF/35V Sanyo 35CV10GX
Electrolytic capacitor 47µF/35V Sanyo 35CV47GX
Electrolytic capacitor 22µF/35V Sanyo 35CV22GX
Electrolytic capacitor 220µF/6V3 Sanyo 6CV220GX
Electrolytic capacitor 10µF/63V Philips  036 78109
Electrolytic capacitor 68µF/63V Philips  036 38689
Chip Capacitors Philips
Chip Resistors Philips
Micro chip inductor 12 µH PM10 TDK ACL3225S-120K-T
Micro chip inductor 27 µH PM10 TDK ACL3225S-270K-T
Micro chip inductor 56 µH PM10 TDK ACL3225S-560K-T
Crystal 20MHz 49SMLB Saronix
Common mode choke TDK ACM3225-102-2P-T
Adjustable coil 820nH 5CCE Toko 638AN-0163Z=P03
Analog delay line 3ns/100E Showa AT-03
Analog delay line 5ns/100E Showa AT-03
Analog delay line 15ns/100E Showa AT-15
Hex Inverter National 74AC04SC
Quadruple latch Philips 74HC373D
Op-Amp CLC505 ComLinear CLC505AJE-TR13
Dual LF Op-Amp AD706 Analog Devices AD706JR
Dual LF Op-Amp AD822 Analog Devices AD822AR
Op-Amp AD8011 Analog Devices AD8011AR
Op-Amp AD8041 Analog Devices AD8041AR
Op-Amp AD8002 Analog Devices AD8002AR
Op-Amp LM358D Philips LM358D
Op-Amp TL082D Thomson TL082CDTS93
Precision voltage reference LM4040 National LM4040 CIM3X-2.5
P-channel MOSFET IR IRLML5103
N-channel MOSFET IR IRLML2803
A/D Converter Burr Brown ADS801U
MOSFET Driver Micrel MIC4417BM4
CoolRunner PLD Philips PZ5032C
FPGA Altera EPF8282ALC84-4
FPGA Configuration E²PROM Atmel AT17C65-10PI
Reset Watchdog Circuit Maxim MAX823MEUK
5V1 Zener Diode Philips BZX84-C5V1
BAS28 Diode Philips BAS28
BAT74 Diode Philips BAT74
BFR92 Transistor Philips BFR92
BC850 Transistor Philips BC850
BC860 Transistor Philips BC860
BSS83 Transistor Philips BSS83
BSD22 Transistor Philips BSD22
BCV62 Transistor Philips BCV62
BST120 Transistor Philips BST120

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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Doug Brewer]

Oh good. I was worried that without Shel we wouldn't have anyone around to tell us 
what Real Photographers use for Photography.
 
Welcome, Bob. You have assumed an honored place. I look forward to your contributions.

Doug
Real list members use plain text, btw.


At 4:18 PM +10006/18/01, Bob Rapp  donned the ruby slippers, tapped the heels together 
three times, and chanted:
Over the past few days, I have been reading the whines and whinges concerning the MZ-S 
including the price. Rest assured, as soon as the cameras become mainstream, look for 
prices well below 600.00.
 
Having dropped AF as it does not suit my type of photography, there is one feature 
that could be added to the view finder that would lure me back without a hood. 
Imagine, spread across the top of the view finder a distance scale and depth of focus 
based on the lens focal length, distance focused upon, and either the preset or 
programmed aperture!
 
A new series of manual focus lenses could include the subject distance information 
that has been available on all F series and later lenses.
 
1/6000 shutter speed. Who needs it. I have only been caught out once when I grabbed 
Tri X rather than Plus X for an important shooting assignment. Back then, 1/2000 was 
not available and I just mounted a polariser on the lens to allow me to open up to f8 
or 11.
 
Last, but not least, How many MZ-S cameras will be sold with a Sigma 28-70 / 70-210 UC 
lens kit?
 
Regards,
 
Bob Rapp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
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RE: how to get ding out of barrel

[Len Paris]

There is a tool that lots of camera stores have handy.  It's
called a "lens vise". It's made just for getting those dents
out.  Micro Tools (Fargo) sells them.  It works very well.

Len
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Frits J. Wüthrich
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:19 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss
> Subject: how to get ding out of barrel
>
>
> I have a Tamron lens, (almost) built as a tank, with
> a dent in the lens
> barrel, which prevents filters to be screwed on.
> (58mm) Is there a way to
> forge this back into its shape so it can take a
> filter again? The glass is
> mint, so I don't want to damage that.
>
> Frits
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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Bob Rapp]

This is a PENTAX page, mate!

Actually, if Pentax did not exist and I knew what I know now, I would be
hard pressed to go past Contax.

However, being a Pentax user since 1968, I have been loyal. Sure, I spit the
"dummy" when the "K" series cameras came out, but I remained loyal none the
less. If it were not for the wonderful "K" series lenses, I would have look
elsewhere.

The traditional SLR has migrated from and instrument to a "high-class" and
"expensive" point and shoot camera for a majority of owners. Thank God there
are some of us left. However, it is becoming increasingly difficult as some
of the great films are gone or will be going missing.

Medium format will probably be the next frontier for us and the 67 will be
it. I had one at one time and I do miss it. I will probably have another one
in the future. Like the 35mm Pentax, there are many superb lenses available
for the 67 on the used market.

Bob Rapp
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From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bob Rapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: MZ-S and Others


> Hi,
>
> The Contax RX does something similar to what you want with their
> digital focus indicator:
>
> "The DFI (Digital Focus Indicator) system graphically portrays focus point
and
> provides depth of focus information in the viewfinder."
>
> It displays along the bottom of the viewfinder. It doesn't tell you
> the distance focused on, but everything else you want is there. I
> switched it off on mine after a few months because I found it
> distracting, but it can be useful in low light.
>
> ---
>
>  Bob
>
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Monday, June 18, 2001, 7:18:44 AM, you wrote:
>
> [...]
> > Having dropped AF as it does not suit my type of photography, there is
one feature that could be added to the view finder that would lure me back
without a hood. Imagine, spread across the top of
> > the view finder a distance scale and depth of focus based on the lens
focal length, distance focused upon, and either the preset or programmed
aperture!
>
> > A new series of manual focus lenses could include the subject distance
information that has been available on all F series and later lenses.
> [...]
>
>
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Re: 500 mm f=4.5 K mount

[Arnold Stark]

Hello Cameron,

I purchased this lens 8 months ago in M42 mount (and yes, it is a "SMC Pentax
1.4.5 500mm"). It did get some use but not much, as it is too heavy and too big
to take everywhere. My SMC Pentax 1:5.6 400mm K series lens is much more
convenient and can be used hand-held, too. Optically the 500/f4.5 seems to be
very good, sharp, not bad even wide open, and with beautiful bokeh. Mechanically
it is simply perfect. However, due to all-manual operation, this lens can be
used very slowly, only. Shooting moving objects is very difficult. The lens
needs a heavy tripod or monopod. The minimum focusing distance of 10 meters is
often too long, so extension tubes are vital.

Of my pictures with this lens I have only scanned one yet, this you can see at
http://www.arnoldstark.de/birds.jpg
The picture was taken with an LX and at f=6.8. This pictures shall just give you
an idea of the character of pictures taken with the lens. The scan is of poor
quality (I'll have to do it again), so please do not use it to judge the
sharpness of the lens.

> And it seems to have a converter on the back that changes the mount to Pentax
> 67!!! It seems to be a good lens; is this Pentax's kind of 'generic' super
> tele? Or is it an already converted 67 lens?

I think that 6x7 lenses have the "67" in their name. However, if the lens that
you looked at really is the K-mount lens, then you can totally take off the rear
part to screw-in filters. Do not mistake the mount to fit the rear end as a 67
mount. However, one might attach another rear end to fit 67 cameras. The image
circle of the lens has a diameter of about 9 cm, so this might make sense.

Arnold

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Metz 45 questions

[Paul Ewins]

Hi all,
I have bought a couple of old Metz 45 CT-1's to use with my MXs. As
expected they have a few problems, one of which is the recycle time between
flashes which is very slow. Does anyone know the cause (and fix)? I'm
assuming it has something to do with ageing capacitors.

Secondly, they came with ni-cad packs which I have rebuilt with new
batteries, but was wondering whether it is possible to power them with a
gel-cell or similar sealed cell. It looks like the flash uses 9v when run on
regular alkaline cells and 7.2v when run on rechargeables as there are three
contacts in the bottom of the battery compartment, and only two get used by
the ni-cad pack. I assume that the other contact is used with the alkaline
battery pack with 6 x 1.5v cells instead of the 6 x 1.2v ni-cads. Would it
matter which contacts I used so long as I get the voltage right?

Finally, does anyone have a manual for a 45ct-1 that they could copy for me?

thanks,

Paul Ewins,
Melbourne, Australia.

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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

The Contax RX does something similar to what you want with their
digital focus indicator:

"The DFI (Digital Focus Indicator) system graphically portrays focus point and
provides depth of focus information in the viewfinder."

It displays along the bottom of the viewfinder. It doesn't tell you
the distance focused on, but everything else you want is there. I
switched it off on mine after a few months because I found it
distracting, but it can be useful in low light.

---

 Bob  

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Monday, June 18, 2001, 7:18:44 AM, you wrote:

[...]
> Having dropped AF as it does not suit my type of photography, there is one feature 
>that could be added to the view finder that would lure me back without a hood. 
>Imagine, spread across the top of
> the view finder a distance scale and depth of focus based on the lens focal length, 
>distance focused upon, and either the preset or programmed aperture!

> A new series of manual focus lenses could include the subject distance information 
>that has been available on all F series and later lenses.
[...]


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Re: MZ-S and Others

[Jon Hope]

At 14:18 18/06/01, you wrote:
>
>Last, but not least, How many MZ-S cameras will be sold with a Sigma 28-70 
>/ 70-210 UC lens kit?

In Australia, lots. Ok, almost all of them will go with a sigma 28-80, but 
probably not the 70-210. :-)

Mine will come with an FA 35/2. :-)

Cheers


Jon

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Re: Wanted K1000/MX

[darryn . richter]

Hope you enjoy the K1000. I cut and paste the attached comments re a variety of
Pentax 80 - 200 zoom of which the A series is included. I'm not sure where it
came from, however it was off the web in the past 2 months.

Darryn Richter
Adelaide Australia

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80-200 mm f/2.8 FA* ED (IF) (p)
Doug Brewer - . . .while the weight issue is real, I consider the resultant
photos worth the trouble. . . can tell you from my =real world= use, it's simply
outstanding. . .

Phil -. . . To start with, this is a great lens. Optically, I have never been
disappointed with its performance. . .

SudaMafud - No one, not even PENTAX, makes a better mid-range zoom.






80-200 mm f/4.7-5.6 F
Ralf Engelmann - . . . mechanically without problems, optically moderate to good
quality with some problems full open.


80-200 mm f/4.7-5.6 A
Douglas J Stemke - I've grown to really like this lens. . . I've taken really
lovely photos . . . blown up from a slide to 8X12 inches and it still retains
great sharpness. . .

Ralf Engelmann - . . . a compact and affordable standard telezoom. . . . it's
the most convincing offer in the Pentax telezoom range. . . does more than one
would expect from the price and size. Optical quality is o.k., mechanical
quality is pretty good and I like the internal zooming feature.






80-200 mm f/4.7-5.6 FA (New)
Ralf - . . . definitively a step back. If you can get the former SMC-F
4.7-5.6/80-200mm, buy that one. Same optics, but considerable better mechanics
than the new silver FA version. . .


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