Re: mx tales of woe or time for a 2nd body?

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb


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>
> anyone use/like/dislike the pentax program plus?

I have one, I quite like it. It lacks shutter preffered auto and
TTL flash, and the flash sync is 1/100 rather than 1/125.
Otherwise it is very much like the Super Program.
William Robb

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Re: Buying a Pentax ME super, opinions?

2001-08-14 Thread Chris Brogden

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andrew Blake wrote:

> I'm currently using an old screwmount practika (my only Tak is a 35/3.5) and
> was considering picking this up, and a couple of cheap K mount lenses,
> aperture priority and TTL metering appeals to me, although lack of DOF
> preview kinda sucks.

If you want DOF preview, look for a Program Plus or a Super Program,
though it's hard to beat that price for an ME Super.  :)
 
> What I'm asking the group is; what's the general opinion of the MEsuper, any
> things to look out for/avoid and how did they make it so damned small :-)?

Make sure the film advance is working properly and the meter's accurate
and you should be set.  They're nice, small cameras with huge viewfinder
magnification.  I prefer a Super Program myself, but that's me.
 

chris

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Re: 135mm lens

2001-08-14 Thread David A. Mann

Paul writes:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263374142
> 
> Is this what is sometimes referred to as the K135/2.5?

 You're close but not quite.  This is the "Takumar Bayonet" 135/2.5.

>  Is it significantly
> better (sharpness, color, bokeh, whatever) than the M135/3.5?

 Takumar Bayonet lenses are generally best avoided.  They were made by 
Pentax as a "budget" line and do not offer SMC coating.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: NZ Customs sucks [etc]

2001-08-14 Thread David A. Mann

Jody writes:

>   NZ Customs is holding my new LX. They have mailed me
> a bill for NZ$213.13 (multiply by 0.4 for US) which I
> must pay to get the camera.

 Yep, anything over NZ$400 (I think) qualifies for GST, unless its marked as a 
gift on the customs label.  If you're lucky you may be able to get off the hook 
because GST doesn't directly apply to secondhand items, but I'm not sure how 
this covers imports.  It wouldn't hurt to find out.

> This is supposed to be for
> GST (Goods & Services Tax) on the "US$699 value" of
> the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they
> seem to think they can charge the freight on top of
> that. I paid US$27.50 freight. Now, in the days when I
> learnt maths, that was US$658.50.

 Yeah their maths sucks.  I wonder if they have "brackets" of value and they 
mean "up to $699"?

>   What right do they have to rip me off like this?

 It's the government, they can do what they want :)

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread David A. Mann

Aaron Reynolds writes:

> Hey, same here.  Plus I'm 6'2, which doesn't hurt.

 Height doesn't matter.  I'm 6'1 and a 150lb weakling :)

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread David A. Mann

Mark Roberts writes:

> Try out a Pentax 67 if you want to feel some mirror-return vibration!

 I've played with a 67II and that's bad enough.  With the mirror locked up I 
think it vibrates less than my K2.  I couldn't figure out how to release the mirror 
without taking a shot though (didn't matter, it wasn't my film).

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: mx tales of woe or time for a 2nd body?

2001-08-14 Thread RobFilms

thank you william for your response and thoughtful analysis.  i am in the 
process of getting my smallest phillips head for the upcoming surgery.

another pug-ster suggested perhaps a program plus as a back-up body to the mx.

interesting thought-A lens contacts and dof.  i'm unfamilar w/the viewfinder.

anyone use/like/dislike the pentax program plus?

on a cost/value basis a program plus or a zx-m, assuming the zx-m is $25-ish 
more than the program plus.

as always, thanks to all who share their obvious experience.

be well

robo


In a message dated 8/14/01 2:14:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:08:54 -0600
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body

The MX meter is activated by a switch on the bottom of the
camera, right under the shutter button. If you remove the bottom
plate, you will see what somewhat like a set of points out of an
automobile distributor. This is the switch. Clean the contacts
and make sure the little insulator is in place. This may cure
the problem.
William Robb
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body


> hi all-
>
> had a great trip out west (yosemite, mono lake, big sur, sf and napa) but 
while doing >a long exposure night shoot of el captain my beloved mx crapped 
out.  it was the 2nd >night of my doing a night shot of this wonderful piece 
of granite.  had the camera set->up on a low tripod w/a M50/ attached and the 
cable release.
>
> after finally releasing the shutter, and removing the mx from the tripod i 
realized >that i could not turn off the meter.  i went back to my campsite to 
experiment under >lit conditions.  the meter worked but i couldn't shut it 
off.  i took out the batteries >so they wouldn't be drained and sighed.
>
> later that day, i put the batteries back in to shoot that afternoon and 
found that the >mx now didn't meter.  i put in the pack of replacement 
batteries that i brought and >again, the mx didn't meter.
>
> i shot "sunny 16" rule the rest of the trip but obviously was extremely 
>dissappointed by my lack of a 2nd body.
>
> so, any thoughts on what went wrong on the mx?
>
> any idea who i should sent the mx to for a look-see?  (i am located in nyc 
but have >never used anyone downtown)
>
> since my pentax lens are limited to the M50/2 and the A35-105/4 i don't want
> to leave pentax-land but now need a 2nd body.
>
> my choices:  kx, another mx, perhaps a zx-5n or even a pz-1p.
>
> i am on a very limited budget and need to factor the repair costs of the mx
> into any new purchases.
>
> thankfully i still have a canonet ql gIII rangefinder to shoot in 
town/people
> stuff.
>
> once again, a heavy sigh about the mx and i look forward to any thoughts
> about repairs or bodies that u pug-sters wish to share.
>
> be well
>
> robo>>

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Buying a Pentax ME super, opinions?

2001-08-14 Thread Andrew Blake

Hi,
I've spotted a slightly beat up MEsuper (body only) in an antique store
(AUD$65, ~US$30), a few light scratches on the baseplate, a rough scratch
(like dropped on concrete or attacked with a bastard file perhaps?) on the
top of the prism, the mirror bumper foam has been replaced, and insides look
clean.  The meter is working and seems to be about right, although I had
nothing to compare it to at the time.  Shutter fires fine on all settings,
but I don't know if the timing's right without putting film through it.

I'm currently using an old screwmount practika (my only Tak is a 35/3.5) and
was considering picking this up, and a couple of cheap K mount lenses,
aperture priority and TTL metering appeals to me, although lack of DOF
preview kinda sucks.

What I'm asking the group is; what's the general opinion of the MEsuper, any
things to look out for/avoid and how did they make it so damned small :-)?

I'll be back to look at it in a couple of days, hopefully with a lens and
some magic sticky tape in hand to test focus and make sure the prism isn't
out of alignment and a meter to compare it against.

Thanks,
Andrew Blake

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Re: Info about PDML Location Survey

2001-08-14 Thread Chris Brogden

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, William Robb wrote:

> Can we mail you someone elses country if we don't like them very
> much
> WW

Sure, but you may have to pay the duties and taxes.  YMMV.

chris

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Re: Info about PDML Location Survey

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb


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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:13 AM
Subject: Info about PDML Location Survey


  I'm asking every member of the PDML (Pentax Discuss
> Mailing List... this thing you're reading now ) to mail me
their city, state/province and country .

Can we mail you someone elses country if we don't like them very
much
WW

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Info about PDML Location Survey

2001-08-14 Thread Chris Brogden


If you're new to the list or just haven't seen the geography poll before,
here's how it works.  I'm asking every member of the PDML (Pentax Discuss
Mailing List... this thing you're reading now ) to mail me their city,
state/province and country so that I can complile the information in a
list.  For security reasons, I will post a general summary to the PDML and
will mail the detailed info directly to the participants.

The general summary will be a list of how many PDML members are in each
state/province or country.  No names, cities, or e-mail addresses will be
attached to this summary, as it will eventually wind up in the online PDML
archives.

The detailed info will consist of your name, city, state/province, country
and e-mail address in the following format:

Canada, Manitoba, Winnipeg; Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you don't want to include your city, that's fine; just let me know.  I
will mail the detailed info directly to the participants, so it will not
be posted on the PDML or wind up on a web page somewhere.  This way, only
those PDML members who are sharing their info with you will have access to
yours.

Hopefully this info will help us to appreciate the truly international
flavour of the PDML and will faciliate contacting other members.  If
you're taking a trip somewhere and have questions about your destination,
you can see who lives there and e-mail them directly.  If you want to
arrange a get-together with other people from a region, you have their
contact info at a glance.  There have been a few meetings of PDML members
already, which have apparently been a lot of fun, and I hope that this
info makes it easier for meetings like this to happen.

If you're interested in submitting your location for the list, or want to
change the info you've already sent to me, or just have questions about
the project, please e-mail me *off-list* at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
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near the middle of every month, unless there have been no changes to it.

Thanks!

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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread Paul Jones

I guessed it :)


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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Product Photography


> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <> It does take some time to get used
> to the new image perspective
> > and the relative DOF change.  For a hobbyist, that can take a
> few
> > months.
> 
> The poster in question presents himself to the list as a
> professional photographer/ retired photojournalist. He tends to
> make mock of the "amateurs" who haunt this corner of the
> internet.
> William Robb
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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Paul Jones"
Subject: Re: Product Photography


> I think i'm going to try the halogen lamps first. William by
quartz halogen
> lamps i assume you mean the ones with the little globes? they
look like this
> http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/halogen.jpg

No, they look exactly like this:
http://www.elights.com/500watworlig.html
Sometimes they can be had on actual stands that allow them to be
positioned better.
They are available dirt cheap at place like Wal-Mart.

>
> I'm going to have a hunt around and try and find some diffuser
sheets, i'm
> not really sure what they are yet :)

Any theatrical lighting supplier can help you out. Roscoe is the
big name in theis stuff.
William Robb

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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <> It does take some time to get used
to the new image perspective
> and the relative DOF change.  For a hobbyist, that can take a
few
> months.

The poster in question presents himself to the list as a
professional photographer/ retired photojournalist. He tends to
make mock of the "amateurs" who haunt this corner of the
internet.
William Robb

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Re: Pictures are lame

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Rapp

Well done, Frank! Well done!

AF etc is for "Happy Snappies". When I went back to manual focus (thanks
to picking up one of my old Spotmatics) I was amazed how small the "reject"
pile was!

Bob
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: Pictures are lame


> Which is why I love my Spotmatics.  Or any manual exposure camera.  It
> takes a few seconds to get the exposure, but it's also taught me to take
> a few more seconds and look carefully at what's in the viewfinder, from
> top to bottom, left to right.  It's amazing how often I'll see an
> unexpected lamp post or overhead wire right at the edge of the
> viewfinder, forcing me to re-frame.
>
> Stop-down metering (I don't have an F) has also acclimatised me to
> checking dof on virtually every shot.
>
> Don't take this as an "older cameras are better 'cause they teach you to
> shoot properly, and new auto-everything cameras make us lazy" rant.  I'm
> sure that at this point, were I to buy a "modern" camera, the habits are
> so ingrained that I'd do 'em anyway.  I just think that for me, being
> deliberate is easier when everything is done manually.
>
> regards,
> frank
>
> Amy Hughes wrote:
>
> > I think it's more basic than that. I think many people don't "get"
> > what the viewfinder is for. They only use it to aim the camera,
> > kinda like a gun sight. Hence, most snapshots have the subject in
> > the center, and way too much background. Or the subject in the
> > center, lots of sidewalk on the bottom, and half of the wonderful
> > building being used as a backdrop cut off at the top. Or a perfectly-
> > focused picture of a wall, with two blurry people in front of it.
> > Or...  you get the idea.
> >
> > Amy
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August 2001 PDML Location Poll: General Results

2001-08-14 Thread Chris Brogden


Time for the August update.  California, with 13 list members, has once
again pulled ahead to take the lead over Illinois and Texas, both with
12.  We have 18 new people in the poll, including one from Latvia and our
second from Japan.  Sweden and Norway each have a new member, and two
people from Australia have added their names, including one who was on the
list way back when it first started, eight or nine years ago.  Also,
two Texans have moved... but within the state.  Busy month.  :)  Remember,
if you need to change your details or your address, just let me know
off-list.  Thanks!

I'm going to mail the detailed results directly to every PDML member who
participated.  Please allow a day or so for them to arrive, but if they
haven't shown up after 24 hours or so, then feel free to e-mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll mail you another copy.  As always, if
I've forgotten or missed anything, please let me know.

If you're new to the PDML or have just never heard of this geography poll
before, I'll be sending out a letter shortly explaining what this survey
is and how it works.

Thanks for reading, and enjoy!


August 2001 PDML General Location Results

Total: 260

Argentina: 3
Australia: 15
   New South Wales: 7
   Queensland: 2
   South Australia: 1
   Victoria: 4
   Western Australia: 1
België/Belgique (Belgium): 4
Brasil (Brazil): 2
Canada: 31
   Alberta: 2
   British Columbia: 8
   Manitoba: 2
   Northwest Territories: 2
   Newfoundland: 1
   Nunavut: 1
   Ontario: 14
   Saskatchewan: 1
Ceska Republika (Czech Republic): 3
China: 1
Danmark (Denmark): 1
Deutschland (Germany): 8
Eesti (Estonia): 1
España (Spain): 2
France: 6
India: 1
Ireland: 2
Italia (Italy): 3
Latvija (Latvia): 1
Magyarorszag (Hungary): 1
Nederland (Netherlands): 3
New Zealand: 3
Nippon (Japan): 2
Norge (Norway): 3
Pilipinas (Philippines): 1
Polska (Poland): 5
Portugal: 1
Romania: 3
Singapore: 1
Slovenija (Slovenia): 1
Slovensko (Slovakia): 1
South Africa: 1
Suomi (Finland): 4
Sverige (Sweden): 3
T'ai-wan (Taiwan): 1
UK: 14
Ukraine: 1
USA: 126
   AL: 3
   AR: 2
   AZ: 1
   CA: 13
   CO: 3
   FL: 2
   GA: 4
   ID: 1
   IL: 12
   IN: 1
   KS: 1
   KY: 2
   LA: 3
   MA: 1
   MD: 5
   ME: 1
   MI: 9
   MN: 2
   MO: 1
   NC: 3
   ND: 1
   NJ: 6
   NM: 1
   NV: 1
   NY: 6
   OH: 3
   OK: 2
   OR: 5
   PA: 3
   RI: 1
   SC: 4
   TX: 12
   UT: 2
   VA: 4
   WA: 3
   WI: 2
Venezuela: 1



chris

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Found 85/1.9 FS

2001-08-14 Thread Steve Knobbe


Since I already have the SMCT 85/1.8, I thought I'd pass the following
find on to the list: "85mm f/1.9 EX $140 @
http://www.bocaphoto.com/products/used/pentax.htm";. I've never dealt
with the company, but it seems their product listing has been recently
updated.

Steve
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OT: Another Grandfather Mountain Trip

2001-08-14 Thread Doug Brewer

Just a heads up for anyone still looking for something to do this weekend:

http://www.grandfather.com/calendar/calendar.htm 

I'll be down there, and a few other PDMLers will also be in attendance. Alas, I don't 
think jeepgirl will be there. OTOH, Miss North Carolina =will= be there. No report on 
whether she drives a jeep.

Doug
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Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
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Lens swap meet

2001-08-14 Thread Jim & Jackie Meeks

I had an idea the other day. People are always asking about lenses or
looking up info on the various Pentax sites concerning a lens they are
interested in, at least I know I do this pretty frequently. What if people
on the list state that they are interested in a particular lens (or lenses)
and that they are prepared to loan a lens of their own in exchange. Each
party keeps the loaner for a week or two and gets to use that lens to see if
it's really what they want. (I think Mike Johnston did this with a friend,
except he swapped a Leica for a LX). The parties might be interested in
actually swapping, or perhaps one party buys the others lens, or they just
return them having had the chance to use a lens they don't own but always
wanted to try. Of course someone with a 50mm f2 wanting to try out the new
31mm Ltd. might not find any takers.

For instance, I recently bought a K105 f2.8 in EX shape and would be willing
to loan it to someone with a M85 f2 or maybe an A or M 100mm f4 macro. I'm
sort of interested in a M or A 100mm f2.8 telephoto (not macro). The lenses
should be in similar condition to mine. If anyone is interested, they can
reach me off-list.

I would like to see if anyone on the list has tried this, or thinks it's
lame-brained, or perhaps the greatest thing since sliced cheese. There are
probably some bugs to work out and any ideas would be appreciated. By the
way, I live in OK and would be willing to swap with others in the US.

Jim


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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

 
  l wrote:
 
> > a year or so ago I had the use of a PZ1-p and shot off a
> > dozen rolls of 400asa in an afternoon at an indoor event. 
> > I really liked the camera - but not enough to justify getting
> > one and then needing to replace 14 primes w/ AF versions.

  ... and then Mark Cassino wrote:
 
> I use my Pz-1p's almost exclusively as manual focusing bodies.  The
> finder is very accurate for MF work, focusing off the plain ground
> glass finder works better than it does with the LX or ME Super.
> As an MF camera, it is excellent.  It's not bad as an AF body either.
 
Oh - my reasoning is strictly financial survival motivated   ;^)

as it is, all but* my 400mm f5.6 are m42 primes - so, even though
there are many useful features & functions using the PZ1-p as a
manual focus (I *really* liked the focus confirmation buzzer :)
body and I would actually even have many of these w/ my m42's, so
still would I be constrained to shooting "at aperture". I suspect
that you already have many K and KA lenses which really would make
a great Manual Focus outfit. As it is, my SuperProgram/SuperTakumar
combos are performing exceptionally well considering the relatively
small costs of all those used bodies (7) & lenses (13 focal lengths
and a SMCK 45-125mm f4 zoom) 

*  ... Oh, have an A50mm f2 somewhere, too

. I am also *certain* that I would be on another lens-buying
binge in no time - probably starting w/ the A15mm f3.5, FA* 85mm
f1.4, one of those good 100mm macros and the good 24mm one. Finding
one of those 400mm f2.8's like yours would certainly be a dilemma!!

Bill

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Re: August PUG - Bill Casselberry

2001-08-14 Thread karen_fraser

I haven't tried shooting with IR film ever, let alone with the Mz-S. Will be
on holidays in about two weeks and plan to bring along IR film and both my
camera bodies so I can compare results. If this remains a burning question,
you know I'll report back. 

Karen 

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:37:37 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Paul Jones wrote:
> >
> > I remember a previous discussion on the possibility of not being able to

> > shoot infared film with the MZ-S, but has this been confirmed?
> 
> I haven't heard anything, I'm wondering if Karen has tried it.
> 
> > I cant recall the reason now.
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Re: about the FA* 250-600/5.6

2001-08-14 Thread Bruce Dayton

John Francis is the man with this big gun, but I think he went on holiday
for several weeks.  I had the opportunity to try it out one time when some
Pugsters got together.  I didn't try it on a monopod, as it was already
mounted and waiting on a tripod.  But I do remember that he has used it on a
monopod.  It looked pretty big on there.  I would probably want one of the
sturdy bogens without a head, just screwed straight into the lens mount.  It
is a sweet piece of glass.  I was thinking that it is similar in size and
weight to the 600 f4, if any of those owners would care to comment on
monopod usage.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:26 PM
Subject: about the FA* 250-600/5.6


> I have a question for those that own or have used this lens. I know that
> this is a huge lens, but would it be possible to use this lens with a
> monopod? Or is a tripod necessary? The reason that I'm asking is that I
> can't imagine a much better zoom range for shooting long-range sports
> (ie-football, baseball, etc). Well, at least where there's no shortage of
> light. Thanks!
>
> Nick


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Re: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread tom

Hmm. I thought it was because they look sort of forlorn without a rider. 

tv

Doug Brewer wrote:
> 
> Probably. Good call.
> 
> Doug
> 
> At 9:21 PM +01008/14/01, Bob Walkden  wrote, or at least typed:
> >Hi,
> >
> >> I wonder why bicycles against walls are so magnetic to photographers.
> >
> >2 circles and a triangle inside a golden rectangle.
> >
> >---
> >
> > Bob
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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Rfsindg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Bill -
 
 I use my Pz-1p's almost exclusively as manual focusing bodies.  The finder 
 is very accurate for MF work, focusing off the plain ground glass finder 
 works better than it does with the LX or ME Super (fortunately, the latter 
 have the split screen focus aid.)
 
 As an MF camera, it is excellent.  It's not bad as an AF body either.
 
 - MCC >>

Bill,

Me Too!  I've used a PZ-1 with manual focus lenses.  When I can get by with 
it, I turn the audio 'in focus' signal on and never even look at the AF 
light.  ...Works great!

The ground glass of the focusing screen isn't too bad either!

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm

2001-08-14 Thread Dmitry Gromov

Hi!

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Our government in their infinite wisdom have decided that there are no
camera
> manufacturers to protect (or make campaign contributions) in the USA, so
> there are no duties on imported camera products...ever.
>

Things may change soon...
Since cameras and lens are often an electronic devices, read this:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/997460674.html
Some recent news indicates it could be pretty risky trying to import non-FCC
approved electronics into the US


Dmitry Gromov
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Re: Scanner problem - a little OT but help would be nice

2001-08-14 Thread JeffW.

You might want to check with Buy.com (where I bought mine). $292 includung
shipping and trans. adapter.

JeffW.

on 8/14/01 4:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi --
> I saw the 1640U at JVC in NY today for $329 --
> but they didnt have the adaptor in
> stock -- supposedly it will
> be in tomorrow.  
> 
> I AM gonna go for it! :)
> 
> Thanks to all of youse for your input on this.
> 
> annsan
> 
> 
> "Cameron R. Hood" wrote:
>> 
>> Get an Epson! They rule the planet for inkjet printers and scanners. Nothing
>> else comes close, and they have truly excellent tech support and warranty
>> service, and their products are cutting edge. For an inexpensive scanner,
>> try the perfection 1240, not much more money than those truly awful Umax's
>> and the equally bad HP's. If you can afford a little more, get the
>> Perfection 1640 SU Photo with transparency adapter: it outperforms scanners
>> costing several thousand dollars.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I am a photographer and graphic artist who uses these products
>> everyday in my business. I have done 5' x 7' large format trade show
>> graphics scanning from a print on this scanner, with superb results.
>> 
>> Cameron Hood
>> 
>> PS: No, I don't work for Epson
>> 
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Re: NZ Customs is very, very naughty

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Blakely

Never steal. The government hates competition.

The truth is, you receive (or others receive) "free" goods and services from your
government. Ours is the same, although some governments provide more "free" goods and
services than others. They (your government, my government) may tell you that these
particular fees are for "something else", but the truth is the same for you as it is 
for
me. All the money goes into a general fund and is administered by agencies, bureaus,
commissions and or ministries as allocated by your elected "representatives". It is
presumed that you/we (collectively) want these fees to exist. After all we 
(collectively)
voted for the people who passed the laws and appointed the bureaucrats in your/our
agencies, bureaus, commissions and or ministries.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Democracy: Three wolves and two lambs vote on what to have for dinner.
Republic: 300 wolves and 200 lambs vote for three wolves and two lambs to develop a 
dinner
menu.
Constitutional Republic: A Republic wherein it has been decided beforehand that lamb is
not on the menu.

...Then the Supreme Court decides (5 wolves to 4 lambs) that mutton is not lamb!

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers... with ballots!

Regards,
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They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
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From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jody wrote:
>
> >   NZ Customs is holding my new LX. They have mailed me a bill for
> > NZ$213.13 (multiply by 0.4 for US) which I must pay to get the camera.
> > This is supposed to be for GST (Goods & Services Tax) on the "US$699
> > value" of the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they seem to
> > think they can charge the freight on top of that. I paid US$27.50
> > freight. Now, in the days when I learnt maths, that was US$658.50.
> >
> >   What right do they have to rip me off like this? What bloody goods
> > and services did I get from them? Since when was daylight robbery a
> > service?
>
> This is the way that Canada Customs works, too, AFAIK.  I believe there's
> no tax charged on camera equipment imported into the US (not sure if
> that's new, used or both), but they certainly charge it here in Canada...
> at least, most of the time.  It sucks, but the only way around it is for
> the seller to declare the value as less than it really is, which of course
> is illegal.  I'm not sure how it works there, but in Canada you can only
> get about $60 tax-free when you're receiving something marked as a gift.
> You have to pay taxes on anything--even a "gift"--over $60 or so.
>
> Interesting story: I know a guy who bought an LX over eBay for $350 US.
> When it arrived in Canada, he found that he only had to pay $12 or so.
> It seems that the seller had written $350.0 for the value, which Customs
> interpreted as $35.00.  Mistakes do happen sometimes.


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Re: Pictures are lame

2001-08-14 Thread Frank Theriault

Which is why I love my Spotmatics.  Or any manual exposure camera.  It
takes a few seconds to get the exposure, but it's also taught me to take
a few more seconds and look carefully at what's in the viewfinder, from
top to bottom, left to right.  It's amazing how often I'll see an
unexpected lamp post or overhead wire right at the edge of the
viewfinder, forcing me to re-frame.

Stop-down metering (I don't have an F) has also acclimatised me to
checking dof on virtually every shot.

Don't take this as an "older cameras are better 'cause they teach you to
shoot properly, and new auto-everything cameras make us lazy" rant.  I'm
sure that at this point, were I to buy a "modern" camera, the habits are
so ingrained that I'd do 'em anyway.  I just think that for me, being
deliberate is easier when everything is done manually.

regards,
frank

Amy Hughes wrote:

> I think it's more basic than that. I think many people don't "get"
> what the viewfinder is for. They only use it to aim the camera,
> kinda like a gun sight. Hence, most snapshots have the subject in
> the center, and way too much background. Or the subject in the
> center, lots of sidewalk on the bottom, and half of the wonderful
> building being used as a backdrop cut off at the top. Or a perfectly-
> focused picture of a wall, with two blurry people in front of it.
> Or...  you get the idea.
>
> Amy
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Re: Scanner problem - a little OT but help would be nice

2001-08-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Hi --
I saw the 1640U at JVC in NY today for $329 --
but they didnt have the adaptor in
stock -- supposedly it will 
be in tomorrow.  

I AM gonna go for it! :)

Thanks to all of youse for your input on this.

annsan


"Cameron R. Hood" wrote:
> 
> Get an Epson! They rule the planet for inkjet printers and scanners. Nothing
> else comes close, and they have truly excellent tech support and warranty
> service, and their products are cutting edge. For an inexpensive scanner,
> try the perfection 1240, not much more money than those truly awful Umax's
> and the equally bad HP's. If you can afford a little more, get the
> Perfection 1640 SU Photo with transparency adapter: it outperforms scanners
> costing several thousand dollars.
> 
> Incidentally, I am a photographer and graphic artist who uses these products
> everyday in my business. I have done 5' x 7' large format trade show
> graphics scanning from a print on this scanner, with superb results.
> 
> Cameron Hood
> 
> PS: No, I don't work for Epson
> 
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Re[2]: OT: New car (was Re[2]: Must Resist!

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

> Alin wrote:

BW>> it's a real photographer's car...
BW>> Keep it and buy a camera!

>Right! Here's a deal for you. I'll swap my great car for your poor
>Jaguar, and as a penalty I'll buy myself the MZ-S.
 
>Servus, Alin (now who would give up buying a Peugeot 206 for a
>  lousy Jag! ;o)  )


well Alin, if only I had a Jag I'd jump into it right now, drive down
there and hand over the keys in person. But sadly I only have a humble
MG B Roadster, and I don't think it'd get there... :o)

...bad luck!

I used to have a Peugeot 205. Peugeot make great cars, and hey, a
Jag's only a crappy old Ford now, really.

Cheers,

Bob


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RE: [Fwd: [Leica] Anyone for PX625 cells?]

2001-08-14 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

http://www.7dayshop.com/acatalog/7dayshop_com_Other_Batteries_7.html
The Panasonic PX625 costs £0.95 a piece, shipping only to UK.
I just bought 5 pieces of Panasonic 2CR5 for £9.75, so that is less then two
pounds per 2CR5 for my PZ-1. I also got two CR123A for two Pentax P&S, for
£1.20 a piece. Can't go wrong on that one.
So $2.79 for one 2CR5. The UK never stops amazing me.

Frits
> Dear Fellow LUGgers;
>
> I received in the mail recently the July 2001
> product/price list from Heitz Service Corp. in
> an envelope that was postmarked Aug. 4, 2001.
> They have PX625 mercury cells for 5 bucks each
> (US$5.00).
>
>   Heitz Service Corp.
>   34-11 62nd Street
>   Woodside, NY 11377
>   Tel: 718.565.0004
>   Fax: 718.565.2582
>   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Regards,
> John

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Re: friend needs a 70-210 or the like Thanks to repliers

2001-08-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks to all of you who replied to my request for an
affordable used zoom for my friend Sara.. I forwarded the
letters you guys wrote to me to her.  Will advise :)

This is such a great list!

Best,
annsan
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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread Paul Jones

Hi,

Its just for the web, i'm more interested at this point in getting the
technique ok.

Thanks,
Paul Jones
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Product Photography


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Product Photography
>
>
> > All of the advert. people I know who work directly with
> > photographers won't take anything less than a 6x7
> neg/reversal.
> > The net result is a lot of new equipment expense.
> > Names like Arca-Swiss and Horseman will be on your tongue very
> soon.
> > Shopping is almost as much fun as the work!
> >
> > Collin
>
> Much of what you say is true, however, the post didn't mention
> what the final product would be used for. If the final result is
> for the internet, the larger image size is wasted.
> My recommendation would be to perfect the technical aspects on
> small format, which is cheap to use, especially since he already
> has equipment in that format, then move to larger equipment as
> the need arises.
> I have found that learning photography is the hard part,
> learning to use a new format is pretty easy.
> A post a while back mentioned that the poster was still (after
> nearly two years) learning how to use his 67II. I just don't see
> how this can be possible, if the person new anything about
> photography to begin with.
> Anyway, back to my tent now
> William Robb
>
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RE: Some words about the FA24-90

2001-08-14 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

> Ok I have no chance to compare it to other "good" zooms but the
> results are really astonishing.
Also I am very pleased till now.

> distortion:
> at 24mm little barrel distortion
I have found it to be quite neutral at 24mm

> around 40mm it is neutral
At 50mm the pincushion is already visible

> at 90mm little pincushion distortion
At 90mm there is an even more obvious pincushion distortion. Apparently
there has been made a choice for being neutral or close to neutral at 24mm.
Personally I agree with that, it's more likely this focal length will be
used for architecture then 90mm. While for portraiture this distortion is
not a problem, something 90mm is useful for. Some people will disagree, I am
sure, based on there needs.

> The distortion at 24mm is really unbelievable for a zoom lens
> with this zoom factor!
Yes.

> vignetting:
> at 24mm and wide open there a bit vignetting. Not a smooth darken
> from the middle to the edges. It looks more like light blocking from
> a filter (I haven't used a filter)
> around 40-50mm there seems to be no visible vignetting
> at 90mm and wide open there is less and a bit more "smooth"
> vignetting than at 24mm.
I haven't noticed any vignetting, is this related to a specific aperture?

> flare, colors, contrast:
> I haven't made special test but this lens seems to be very resistant
> to flare and
> all the photos have great contrast and "strong" colors, in any case
> better than
> e.g. my M28 2.8!
Yes, most impressive.

> sharpness:
> another point where I can't believe that this is a 3,75x zoom lens.
> Even wide open (at 3.5/4.5) it is sharp ... for a zoom! Not as sharp
> as e.g. the FA43 at f4 but sharper than the FA43 at 1.9! As to be
> expected up to f8 the sharpness increases a bit.
Sounds boring, but I have no reason to disagree.

> Have a nice day
> Andreas

You too, and enjoy your lens for the years to come. OK, it doesn't feel like
a tank, and it is using plastic, but I don't have the feeling it is cheap.

Frits

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Re: OT: New car (was Re[2]: Must Resist!

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider

Bob wrote:

BW> it's a real photographer's car...
BW> Keep it and buy a camera!

   Right! Here's a deal for you. I'll swap my great car for your poor
   Jaguar, and as a penalty I'll buy myself the MZ-S.
 
   Servus, Alin (now who would give up buying a Peugeot 206 for a
 lousy Jag! ;o)  )


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Re[2]: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

> I wonder why bicycles against walls are so magnetic to photographers.

2 circles and a triangle inside a golden rectangle.

---

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Il faut être toujours botté et prêt à partir.

One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave.

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Most Productive Gear?

2001-08-14 Thread arkibladt

Hi Paul and others..

Definitely the
Z1 and the Tokina ProII 2.8/28-70mm
Regards
Jens, Denmark(pt Ireland)

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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Product Photography


> All of the advert. people I know who work directly with
> photographers won't take anything less than a 6x7
neg/reversal.
> The net result is a lot of new equipment expense.
> Names like Arca-Swiss and Horseman will be on your tongue very
soon.
> Shopping is almost as much fun as the work!
>
> Collin

Much of what you say is true, however, the post didn't mention
what the final product would be used for. If the final result is
for the internet, the larger image size is wasted.
My recommendation would be to perfect the technical aspects on
small format, which is cheap to use, especially since he already
has equipment in that format, then move to larger equipment as
the need arises.
I have found that learning photography is the hard part,
learning to use a new format is pretty easy.
A post a while back mentioned that the poster was still (after
nearly two years) learning how to use his 67II. I just don't see
how this can be possible, if the person new anything about
photography to begin with.
Anyway, back to my tent now
William Robb

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OT: Found locally

2001-08-14 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

With all the talk about the Pentax-A 70-210/4,
I noticed one today at the local Cord Camera
here Columbus.  $99.95
Anyone want me to pick it up for 'em?

Collin

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Re: AF360FGZ Overview

2001-08-14 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

You mean, like in The Exorcist?  :)

Collin

>From: Darryl Lafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>The article doesn't say, but from the small picture it would appear to
>have both a tilt and rotating head.
>
>Darryl


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OT: New car (was Re[2]: Must Resist!

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

>   Alin (in a hurry to buy a new car ...

is there such a thing in Romania? :o)

But your old one's so great, twisting and turning through the packs
of feral dogs, taking me all over Bucharest from Ceausescu's grave,
with the flowers in Coke bottles, to the poshest restaurant in town,
it's a real photographer's car...

Keep it and buy a camera!

---

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Il faut être toujours botté et prêt à partir.

One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave.

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Re: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

All of the advert. people I know who work directly with
photographers won't take anything less than a 6x7 neg/reversal.
The net result is a lot of new equipment expense.
Names like Arca-Swiss and Horseman will be on your tongue very soon.
Shopping is almost as much fun as the work!

Collin


>Paul Jones wrote:
>
>Hi, I'm interested in doing some product photography, mainly shots of
>smallish objects like camera equipment, models and similar. I'm
>wondering what equipment i will need, i'm prepared to buy a few bits
>and pieces and how i should go about doing it. I can use either an LX
>or MZ-S and i have enough lense to cover most focal lengthes. The only
>flash i really have is a cheap haminex which is not ttl. altough i was
>considering buying a AF220T, as i can use this for macro work
>also. Any help appreciated. Thanks,Paul Jones


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Re: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Bucky

You know, you're right.  I went to China in '99 and was amazed to see all
the things bikes were used for.  One bike, leaning against a wall, had two
gigantic pots of pitch on it, presumably for use in patching roofs.  I shot
a few of that one.  I also have several other shots of bikes without owners.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: OT: new pics


> I wonder why bicycles against walls are so magnetic to photographers.


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Some words about the FA24-90

2001-08-14 Thread Andreas

Hi,

even though I like primes more than zoom lenses I find a one lens 
combination very useful when I travel with a bike or motorbike.
I didn't found the results with my Sigma 28-105 4-5.6 satisfactory
and so this lens was at home all the time. Now Pentax came with
this FA24-90 and I grab the first lens my dealer had :-)
First I was a bit disappointed when I hold this lens in my hands.
For this high price I think the build quality should be better.
In daily work it is OK, not wobbly or so, but it feels cheap to me!
After I got back the first films I saw it a bit different.
Ok I have no chance to compare it to other "good" zooms but the
results are really astonishing.

distortion:
at 24mm little barrel distortion
around 40mm it is neutral
at 90mm little pincushion distortion
The distortion at 24mm is really unbelievable for a zoom lens
with this zoom factor!

vignetting:
at 24mm and wide open there a bit vignetting. Not a smooth darken
from the middle to the edges. It looks more like light blocking from
a filter (I haven't used a filter)
around 40-50mm there seems to be no visible vignetting
at 90mm and wide open there is less and a bit more "smooth" 
vignetting than at 24mm.

flare, colors, contrast:
I haven't made special test but this lens seems to be very resistant 
to flare and
all the photos have great contrast and "strong" colors, in any case 
better than
e.g. my M28 2.8!

sharpness:
another point where I can't believe that this is a 3,75x zoom lens. 
Even wide open (at 3.5/4.5) it is sharp ... for a zoom! Not as sharp 
as e.g. the FA43 at f4 but sharper than the FA43 at 1.9! As to be 
expected up to f8 the sharpness increases a bit.

Im not a big fan of formal tests as they do not say all (anything ?!?) 
about a lens. 
On vacation I used the MX with FA43 and FA77 and the MZ-5 with 
the FA24-90. At a first quick inspection you can't see which
combination was used and that say enough to me :-)
So optical I can only say good things about this lens and it will not 
stay at home like my old Sigma 28-105.

Have a nice day
Andreas
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Re: dead MX

2001-08-14 Thread Scooterman

For the guy whos MX died in the canyons

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263786147
$270  all black.. body only
a bit steep. but I'm within driving distance 

0r $150/black w/ lens'
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264563344

or $50 & dented prism hood
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263573488

or $90 blk/sil  w/ dented base & winder / missing DOF trim
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264099493


FWIW... it may be time to trade UP to a program plus 
Scoot
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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Bill D. Casselberry


fwiw .

a year or so ago I had the use of a PZ1-p and shot off a dozen
rolls of 400asa in an afternoon at an indoor event. I had a
Tamron 28-105 f4-f5.6 attached and used it in its HyperProgram
mode w/ varying bits of minus flash compensation and spotfocus.
It made for a very effective p&s solution - a no brainer  :^)

I made no extraordinary changes to my techniques used w/ my
older manual cameras. All shots came out just fine w/ no
apparent ill effect from internal camera parts in motion. 

I really liked the camera - but not enough to justify getting
one and then needing to replace 14 primes w/ AF versions   ;^)

Bill

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Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body

2001-08-14 Thread William Robb

The MX meter is activated by a switch on the bottom of the
camera, right under the shutter button. If you remove the bottom
plate, you will see what somewhat like a set of points out of an
automobile distributor. This is the switch. Clean the contacts
and make sure the little insulator is in place. This may cure
the problem.
William Robb
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body


> hi all-
>
> had a great trip out west (yosemite, mono lake, big sur, sf
and napa) but
> while doing a long exposure night shoot of el captain my
beloved mx crapped
> out.  it was the 2nd night of my doing a night shot of this
wonderful piece
> of granite.  had the camera set-up on a low tripod w/a M50/2
attached and the
> cable release.
>
> after finally releasing the shutter, and removing the mx from
the tripod i
> realized that i could not turn off the meter.  i went back to
my campsite to
> experiment under lit conditions.  the meter worked but i
couldn't shut it
> off.  i took out the batteries so they wouldn't be drained and
sighed.
>
> later that day, i put the batteries back in to shoot that
afternoon and found
> that the mx now didn't meter.  i put in the pack of
replacement batteries
> that i brought and again, the mx didn't meter.
>
> i shot "sunny 16" rule the rest of the trip but obviously was
extremely
> dissappointed by my lack of a 2nd body.
>
> so, any thoughts on what went wrong on the mx?
>
> any idea who i should sent the mx to for a look-see?  (i am
located in nyc
> but have never used anyone downtown)
>
> since my pentax lens are limited to the M50/2 and the
A35-105/4 i don't want
> to leave pentax-land but now need a 2nd body.
>
> my choices:  kx, another mx, perhaps a zx-5n or even a pz-1p.
i am on a very
> limited budget and need to factor the repair costs of the mx
into any new
> purchases.
>
> thankfully i still have a canonet ql gIII rangefinder to shoot
in town/people
> stuff.
>
> once again, a heavy sigh about the mx and i look forward to
any thoughts
> about repairs or bodies that u pug-sters wish to share.
>
> be well
>
> robo


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RE: ebay inflation

2001-08-14 Thread Gary J Sibio

At 10:34 PM 8/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I know what you mean. Someone is unloading a bunch of
>Vanguard monopods on ebay with a BIN price of $5 MORE
>than B&H has it. Go figure.

I bought a pennywhistle at a local music store for $11. That afternoon I 
saw the exact same pennywhistle for sale on Ebay. Bidding was at $37. The 
moral of the story: Know what you're doing before you use Ebay.



Gary J. Sibio

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Re: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Poe

WOW!  What a great eye for strong design! Very
impressive, Timo.  zkeep up the fine work.  One
question...what lens was used for the license plate
image?
Bob
--- Timo Hartikainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Here comes URLs for a few new pics:
> 
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rgy.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/nuoli.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/bengtsk.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rekkari.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/fillari.htm
> 
> 
> - Timo
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Re: 135mm lens

2001-08-14 Thread Jose Rodriguez

Hi Paul,

This is the lens that is referred as the K135/2.5 (from Bojidar Dimitrov's
Pentax Page):  

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/primes/105-200/135f2,5.html

I recently picked one up on eBay and it is worth the wait to get this
one.  It is an outstanding lens  Better than the M135/3.5, which
I use to own.

Regards,

-- 
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> I see the following on ebay -
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263374142
> 
> Is this what is sometimes referred to as the K135/2.5?  Is it significantly
> better (sharpness, color, bokeh, whatever) than the M135/3.5?
> 
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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread Doug Brewer

Okay, sure, if you are given to leaving your camera bag under tables at conventions, 
perhaps you should leave your 77 at home. Or send it to me. I promise not to leave it 
under a table at a convention.

Doug



At 11:36 AM -05008/14/01, Amy Hughes  wrote, or at least typed:
>
>I was responding to someone who said he doesn't put his 85 in his
>walkabout kit, which I take to be his take-everywhere kit. I don't put
>the 77 in my take-everywhere kit, either, but I do put it in my bag
>when I'm taking my camera someplace secure (e.g. a friend's house), or
>where I think I might shoot portraits, pets or LEGO. It's a bit pricey,
>though, to be sitting in a bag under a table at, say, a convention,
>while I'm off somewhere else with a zoom lens.
>
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Re: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread tom

Cool stuff.

The subjects are unusual (bravo) - did you go out of your way to shoot
these, or is this just how you tend to see?

tv


Timo Hartikainen wrote:
> 
> Here comes URLs for a few new pics:
> 
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rgy.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/nuoli.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/bengtsk.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rekkari.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/fillari.htm
> 
> - Timo
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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
> 
> Nah, I'm 2'6". 

Is your stage name 'Gary Coleman'?

-Aaron
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RE: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16

2001-08-14 Thread Paris, Leonard

It seems to me that if there is a separate AE Lock button, then there's no
real reason to have the shutter button provide AE Lock, as well. So, the
manual may have mislead you.  More than likely, the guys that wrote the
manual just assumed that pushing the shutter button halfway down would
provide AE Lock, as it does in so many other cameras (Pentax included).
It's just something we'll have to get used to.  It's not a major problem.
In fact, it could be an advantage.  I don't know how many times I've
inadvertently tripped the shutter while seeking to achieve AE Lock. A button
specifically for that is actually a blessing.

Len
---

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16
> 
> 
> The manual seems to be incorrect or misleading here.  No 
> matter what, I
> press the shutter half way and the exposure varies when I recompose.
> The ONLY way I can lock AE is by pressing the AE lock button.  Am I
> right, and is the manual wrong??
> 
> Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arne Lie (f) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 February 2001 10:34
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16
> 
> 
> Digging MZ-S info,
> 
> http://www.homestead.com/cesar_abdul/files/MZ_S/MZ-S_info01.jpg, which
> is an
> Pentax Function overview, tells us that F16 is a selection whether
> A.
> pressing shutter release button half-way down locks exposure only, or
> B.
> locks both exposure and focus.
> 
> What?? Normally this should be
> A.
> locks focus only
> B.
> locks both focus and exposure
> 
> A misprint??
> 
> Arnie
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Re: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm

2001-08-14 Thread Bill D. Casselberry

Amita Guha wrote:
 
> I'd mostly be shooting flowers and such with it. So far I've had decent
> luck fudging it with my 135 3.5. I guess I need to do some research so
> I can figure out what I really need. Thanks!

another, and quite economical, approach is to obtain an extension
tube or two and use them to allow you to focus closer w/ your 135mm

for the "3-d world of flowers" this will allow you to easily achieve
higher magnification w/ virtually no loss of qualities compared to
the 135mm as you are using it now.

Bill

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Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body

2001-08-14 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Odds are that it is now a external meter only camera. You might get
lucky, but if it needs new electronics there is currently no fix.

That may seem bad, but if it was an ME, for istance, it would be a paper
weight. At least an MX with a dead meter is still a camera.
--Tom


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> hi all-
> 
> had a great trip out west (yosemite, mono lake, big sur, sf and napa) but
> while doing a long exposure night shoot of el captain my beloved mx crapped
> out.  it was the 2nd night of my doing a night shot of this wonderful piece
> of granite.  had the camera set-up on a low tripod w/a M50/2 attached and the
> cable release.
> 
> after finally releasing the shutter, and removing the mx from the tripod i
> realized that i could not turn off the meter.  i went back to my campsite to
> experiment under lit conditions.  the meter worked but i couldn't shut it
> off.  i took out the batteries so they wouldn't be drained and sighed.
> 
> later that day, i put the batteries back in to shoot that afternoon and found
> that the mx now didn't meter.  i put in the pack of replacement batteries
> that i brought and again, the mx didn't meter.
> 
> i shot "sunny 16" rule the rest of the trip but obviously was extremely
> dissappointed by my lack of a 2nd body.
> 
> so, any thoughts on what went wrong on the mx?
> 
> any idea who i should sent the mx to for a look-see?  (i am located in nyc
> but have never used anyone downtown)
> 
> since my pentax lens are limited to the M50/2 and the A35-105/4 i don't want
> to leave pentax-land but now need a 2nd body.
> 
> my choices:  kx, another mx, perhaps a zx-5n or even a pz-1p.  i am on a very
> limited budget and need to factor the repair costs of the mx into any new
> purchases.
> 
> thankfully i still have a canonet ql gIII rangefinder to shoot in town/people
> stuff.
> 
> once again, a heavy sigh about the mx and i look forward to any thoughts
> about repairs or bodies that u pug-sters wish to share.
> 
> be well
> 
> robo
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Re: OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Doug Brewer

I think I like rgy best, but it's a tough call. They are all excellent, as usual.

On a related note, I wonder why bicycles against walls are so magnetic to 
photographers.

Doug



At 7:22 PM +03008/14/01, Timo Hartikainen  wrote, or at least typed:
>Here comes URLs for a few new pics:
>
>http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rgy.htm
>http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/nuoli.htm
>http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/bengtsk.htm
>http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rekkari.htm
>http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/fillari.htm
>
>
>- Timo
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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Nah, I'm 2'6". 
--Tom


Chris Brogden wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> 
> > Hey, same here.  Plus I'm 6'2, which doesn't hurt.
> 
> Ditto.  But then, isn't every guy on the internet 6'2?  :)
> 
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Re: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Bucky

This is one of the reasons why I love photography - new ways of seeing
familiar things.  Thanks for those; they're really wonderful.  I like
"bengtsk" the best, but only because I'm a sucker for ocean scenes.

- Original Message -
From: "Timo Hartikainen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: OT: new pics


> Here comes URLs for a few new pics:
>
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rgy.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/nuoli.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/bengtsk.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rekkari.htm
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/fillari.htm
>
>
> - Timo
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Re: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16

2001-08-14 Thread Bill Owens

It appears to me that when Function 16 is set at 2, the only result is that
Autofocus is disabled with the shutter release but is available with the AF
button on the camera back.  Kind of a useless function don't ya think?

Bill, KG4LOV
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16


> The manual seems to be incorrect or misleading here.  No matter what, I
> press the shutter half way and the exposure varies when I recompose.
> The ONLY way I can lock AE is by pressing the AE lock button.  Am I
> right, and is the manual wrong??
>
> Rob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arne Lie (f) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 February 2001 10:34
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MZ-S: Pentax Function F16
>
>
> Digging MZ-S info,
>
> http://www.homestead.com/cesar_abdul/files/MZ_S/MZ-S_info01.jpg, which
> is an
> Pentax Function overview, tells us that F16 is a selection whether
> A.
> pressing shutter release button half-way down locks exposure only, or
> B.
> locks both exposure and focus.
>
> What?? Normally this should be
> A.
> locks focus only
> B.
> locks both focus and exposure
>
> A misprint??
>
> Arnie
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Re[2]: Pictures are lame

2001-08-14 Thread Amy Hughes

Rodger Whitlock wrote:
> I think a great part of this problem is precisely that people *do*
> see a picture in the viewfinder. Trouble is, they don't see the
> edges of the viewfinder or how far apart the picture and the edges
> are. Their brain kind of invents a picture...

I think it's more basic than that. I think many people don't "get"
what the viewfinder is for. They only use it to aim the camera,
kinda like a gun sight. Hence, most snapshots have the subject in
the center, and way too much background. Or the subject in the
center, lots of sidewalk on the bottom, and half of the wonderful
building being used as a backdrop cut off at the top. Or a perfectly-
focused picture of a wall, with two blurry people in front of it.
Or...  you get the idea.

Amy

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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread Amy Hughes

Doug Brewer wrote:
> Why on earth would you buy a lens, especially such a fine lens that
> begs to be used, and then leave it at home? AARRGH.

I was responding to someone who said he doesn't put his 85 in his
walkabout kit, which I take to be his take-everywhere kit. I don't put
the 77 in my take-everywhere kit, either, but I do put it in my bag
when I'm taking my camera someplace secure (e.g. a friend's house), or
where I think I might shoot portraits, pets or LEGO. It's a bit pricey,
though, to be sitting in a bag under a table at, say, a convention,
while I'm off somewhere else with a zoom lens.

In a previous episode I wrote:
> I suspect you wouldn't use the 77 for anything you wouldn't use the 85
> for. You might carry it because it's small, though, but I leave it at
> home because it's expensive.

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OT: new pics

2001-08-14 Thread Timo Hartikainen

Here comes URLs for a few new pics:

http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rgy.htm
http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/nuoli.htm
http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/bengtsk.htm
http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/rekkari.htm
http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/fillari.htm


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Re: 135mm lens

2001-08-14 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Nope - it's the cheaper, poorer quality Takumar.

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263374142
> 
> Is this what is sometimes referred to as the K135/2.5?  Is it significantly
> better (sharpness, color, bokeh, whatever) than the M135/3.5?

-- 
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Re: 135mm lens

2001-08-14 Thread Bob Poe

NO, sorry to be the bearer of bad tides, but this is
the cheapo version without the SMC coatings.  You can
usually spot this lens by the bright colored f. stop
numbers printed on the aperture ring.
Cheer up, the SMC version shows up maybe once a year.
Happy Trails,
bob
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> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263374142
> 
> Is this what is sometimes referred to as the
> K135/2.5?  Is it significantly
> better (sharpness, color, bokeh, whatever) than the
> M135/3.5?
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135mm lens

2001-08-14 Thread WarrenPaul

I see the following on ebay -

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263374142

Is this what is sometimes referred to as the K135/2.5?  Is it significantly
better (sharpness, color, bokeh, whatever) than the M135/3.5?

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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider

Jostein wrote:

JO> Alin,
JO> Other factors definately affects this. However, when I took most of the
JO> images on the website, it was no wind, and the camera stood on a heavy
JO> Sachtler tripod with a Foba Superball head on firm ground. Didn't notice any
JO> quakes either...

  I am sure you took all the possible precautions.

JO> When in portrait orientation, the mirror and shutter flaps horizontally.

  True, in landscape orientation gravity doesn't help to limit torque.

JO>  Are
JO> you _absolutely_ sure that 2 seconds is all it takes to dampen vibration
JO> along a horizontal axis?

  No. I'm not a mechanical engineer, but it's easy to imagine a
  reasonably balanced system that will resonate for more than 2
  seconds. But then I also guess the initial amplitude should be
  perceivable.

  Servus, Alin


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Re: 85mm FA* 1.4; comments

2001-08-14 Thread Aaron Reynolds



"David A. Mann" wrote:

>  I worry more about the lenses I leave at home than the ones I take with me.  I
> worry more about burglary than I do about being mugged, simply because it's
> more likely (in my opinion) where I live.

Hey, same here.  Plus I'm 6'2, which doesn't hurt.

-Aaron


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Re: lamp black??

2001-08-14 Thread Aaron Reynolds



Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Just to put this in perspective, there's a wonderful little item
> called a Lens Pen, which is made/marketed by several companies
> (including Kodak) which has a brush on one end and a small tool for
> applying carbon black on the other. It's a great way to get crud off
> one's lens.  I keep one in my Domke bag at all times.

Is that carbon black?  Sheesh, I never knew.  Once again, I learn
something new from the collective wisdom of the list. :)

Them lenspens are fabulous, by the way.

-Aaron


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RE: AF360FGZ Overview

2001-08-14 Thread Rob Brigham

Does the FGZ have an AF assist beam?

If anyone has a picture would appreciate if you could have a look or
post a link.

I need to decide whether to get an AF220T as a backup, or whether I need
my second flash to have AF assist.

Thanks for any help...

Rob

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AF360FGZ Overview


The article doesn't say, but from the small picture it would appear to
have both a tilt and rotating head.

Darryl

Nicholas Wright wrote:

> I've asked this before, but cannot remember ever
> seeing a reply. But, does the article (or can you tell
> from any pix) say anything about the flash having a
> rotating head? Thanks!
>
> Nick
>
> --- Darryl Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Petersen's Photographic has a brief overview of the
> > new AF360FGZ in the
> > Aug issue.  It has manual power setting from full
> > power to 1/32, plus
> > full TTL, red eye reduction, wirless remote, flash
> > exposure
> > compensation, modeling flash, stroboscopic flash,
> > auto zoom covering
> > 24-85mm (plus a pull out 20mm), a pull-out
> > catchlight panel and of couse
> > the wireless remote.  Guide number is 97.5 in feet
> > ISO100.
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Everything Old is New Again

2001-08-14 Thread Amita Guha

My boyfriend Nate, who has been doing SLR photography
since he was a kid, has eschewed it for a digital
P&S with a zoom lens, because of the instant 
gratification he gets from being able to see his 
photos right away.

Then last Sunday, I dragged him to a photography
lecture at the New York Botanical Gardens. The
photographer showed two trays of slides. Nate was very 
interested in the slides. We got to spend a couple
of hours shooting before the gardens closed. I guess Nate
was frustrated because he couldn't get the kinds of shots
he wanted.

The result? He's bidding on not one, but TWO K1000's
on ebay. *smirk*

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RE: Re[2]: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Jostein Oksne

Alin,
Other factors definately affects this. However, when I took most of the
images on the website, it was no wind, and the camera stood on a heavy
Sachtler tripod with a Foba Superball head on firm ground. Didn't notice any
quakes either...

When in portrait orientation, the mirror and shutter flaps horizontally. Are
you _absolutely_ sure that 2 seconds is all it takes to dampen vibration
along a horizontal axis? BTW, there's no mirror pre-fire on the Z-1...

Jostein

> -Original Message-
> From: Alin Flaider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:19 PM
> To: Jostein Oksne
> Subject: Re[2]: PZ-1p vibration?
> 
> 
> 
>   Jostein, still your exposures were considerably longer (8s) than the
>   time lag required for any mirror vibration to damp (2s). You may
>   want to consider other factors, like lens collar rigidity in
>   portrait orientation, wind, earthquakes... ;o)
> 
>   Servus,  Alin
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Re: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm

2001-08-14 Thread Bill Owens

I've had good results shooting flowers with my Sigma 70-300 APO Macro.  The
lens is sharp, contrasty with good colors and the Macro is good down to 1:2.
which will easily fill the frame with most flowers

Bill, KG4LOV
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> I'd mostly be shooting flowers and such with it. So far I've had decent
> luck fudging it with my 135 3.5. I guess I need to do some research so
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RE: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm

2001-08-14 Thread Amita Guha

> That sort of copywork is now mostly done by scanners if the desired result
> is a print, so unless you're aiming to get 35mm slides out of large (A4 to
> A3) artwork it might be better to look for a 100mm (or 90mm depending upon
> the brand).

I'd mostly be shooting flowers and such with it. So far I've had decent
luck fudging it with my 135 3.5. I guess I need to do some research so
I can figure out what I really need. Thanks!


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OT: Chemical Pocket heaters

2001-08-14 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Picking up in the middle of this thread.

There are four types:
1 Chemical reaction types (like the light stick) where all the
reactants are sealed in separate packages inside a larger one. 
The inner package(s) are broken and the contents mixed to make a
reaction which provides heat.
2 Chemical reaction types which use atmospheric moisture to
work.  Similar process to above, but involves removing from
airtight sealing somehow.  Last ones of these I saw had sawdust
as a carrier to prevent a runaway reaction.
3 Fuel types which actually burn to provide heat.
4 Types which use the Latent heat of crystallisation.  These
have an esoteric substance sealed in a malleable plastic
container.  Some sort of activiation system causes the liquid to
crystallise, releasing heat. These alone can be regenerated
easily, buy reheating the (now solid - and cooled) substance in
boiling water until it "melts" again.

All of the above have their dis- and advantages.  My preference
would be for the last.

mike

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Re[2]: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider

Atvars wrote:

AK> Thanks for hint: I tried it and yes, mirror "cliks" when it returns. I just
AK> thougt it has to be more, uhmm... "soft" or smth, like zx-m, which is noisy
AK> (that's true), but it puts mirror back in place more gently. If it isn't a
AK> problem, that's just great.

  It isn't. The mirror returns after the exposure. Any vibrations
  induced by the mirror return can only affect the next exposure, and
  that is if you shoot continuously with long shutter times (a rare
  case, but not uncommon among nature photographers).

AK> p.s. Actually I come from Latvia, which in German is "Lettland", and see:
AK> "Leicaland" and "Lettland" sounds pretty similar, maybe that was the
AK> problem ;))

  Ah, just as melodious. ;o) Good luck shooting with your new friend.
 
  Servus, Alin


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Re: OT: Chemical pocket heaters (was RE: Aurora Borealis shooting)

2001-08-14 Thread David J Brooks

When we survey in the north in winter (Ontario)the data
collectors often freeze up.We made a styrofoam half
box and cut out a spot for a 'chemical heater'(lit charcol
inside a tin box,sold at any Canadian Tire store)and this
kept the intsrument warmer.May not have any practical 
photography use,just thought i'd share.

Dave

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From: Jostein Oksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:32:56 +0200
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Chemical pocket heaters (was RE: Aurora Borealis 
shooting)



I think you're right Doug.
Inside there's a chemical mixture that reacts when exposed to air or
moisture. To keep camera gear warm, be sure to get the "exposed to 
air"
variant.

Though i guess all chemical reactions like that will go pretty slow 
at deep
freezer temperatures.

Jostein

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
> Could he be talking about those little "keep warm" packets 
> that you can
> get at camping stores?  You know, the little bags that you squeeze 
to
> break a container inside, then it generates heat for a couple of 
hours
> ... sort of like a Cyalume stick for heat instead of light.
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Re: Re: Most Productive Gear?

2001-08-14 Thread David J Brooks

I think my K1000 with SMC A 80-200 f 4.5-5.6 is my most
productive combo.It is my main source for all my Jumping
shots.When i want to play,i still use my SP500 for candid
B&W shots with the Tak 105 f 2.8
My least productive unit is the SF-1.I thought it would 
help in the action shots(it sort of does) but not in the
way i'd hoped for.However it is helpful in Dressage were
the horse/rider is all over the ring.
 From what i'v read over the last little while on the list,
a better zoom and possibly a PZ-1/LX may be a better combo.

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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Mark Cassino

I found the same thing to be true when I first got the Pz-1p.  The return 
stroke of the mirror is quite strong, the upstroke is not so bad.

I routinely use a Pz-1p with 400mm f2.8 and 2X-L teleconverter.  The 
teleconverter connection to the lens is somewhat wobbly, but I still get 
very sharp images at low shutter speeds.  Using the two second pre-fire 
would make the images more sharp, but for moving  birds mirror lock up does 
not see to be a viable option.  I do use the mirror lock up with macro work.

The only place where I have seen the mirror slap pose a problem is when 
using the motor drive on a tripod mounted rig.  The camera is still 
vibrating from the down slap of the mirror when it shoots the next image, 
and the effect of the vibrations seems to compound.  I don't think this is 
a problem when hand holding the camera, since one would dampen the 
vibrations by holding the camera (and probably hold it less steady than the 
mirror vibration anyhow.)

- MCC


At 11:22 AM 8/14/01 +0300, you wrote:
>Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, feels like
>camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning (hopefully then). Is
>it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This
>isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...
>Atvars

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Re: NZ Customs sucks campylobacter-ridden shit!!

2001-08-14 Thread Atvars_Karro

By paying taxes you are supporting your country!  (big ironic grin)
Don't worry - that's the way the customs work in many countries AFAIK. So
far I belived this is normal for former USSR coutries, now it seems that
this happens else too. I _do_not_ recommend you to try it, but here
situation like this can be easily solved by passing some picture of the USA
president from one hands to others. Hopefully you'll get your LX without
paying that tax or smth, but I hardly believe in it :(

Atvars
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>   Sorry about the title. Don't let your kids read it,
> JF.
> I am so pissed off. And it takes a lot to get me
> swearing. I didn't swear once in the first 24 years of
> my life.
>
>   NZ Customs is holding my new LX. They have mailed me
> a bill for NZ$213.13 (multiply by 0.4 for US) which I
> must pay to get the camera. This is supposed to be for
> GST (Goods & Services Tax) on the "US$699 value" of
> the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they
> seem to think they can charge the freight on top of
> that. I paid US$27.50 freight. Now, in the days when I
> learnt maths, that was US$658.50.
>
>   What right do they have to rip me off like this?
> What bloody goods and services did I get from them?
> Since when was daylight robbery a service?
>
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Re: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm

2001-08-14 Thread Anthony Farr

I have both this and the M100/4 Macro, and regard this as the sharper of the
two.  Whether the focal length is as useful is another matter, though, as it
gives rather close working distances when working "in the wild".  The 100mm
makes it easier to get lighting in, or not to frighten the wildlife too
much.  Where it once shone was on the copystand when the original artwork
was around 8in x 10in and bigger, and the 100mm called for too much height.
That sort of copywork is now mostly done by scanners if the desired result
is a print, so unless you're aiming to get 35mm slides out of large (A4 to
A3) artwork it might be better to look for a 100mm (or 90mm depending upon
the brand).

Regards,
Anthony Farr

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Subject: PENTAX-M Macro 1:4 50mm


> Does anyone have any experience, good or
> bad, with this lens? It has come up on
> ebay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263752631
>
>
> Thanks,
> Amita
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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Atvars_Karro

Thanks for hint: I tried it and yes, mirror "cliks" when it returns. I just
thougt it has to be more, uhmm... "soft" or smth, like zx-m, which is noisy
(that's true), but it puts mirror back in place more gently. If it isn't a
problem, that's just great. At least the sound of mirror returning with the
following short zz is nice :) Actually I get this camera today (MZ-S was
too expensive for me) and was a bit upset with that vibration "problem".
Anyway: camera seems to be very good.
Atvars
p.s. Actually I come from Latvia, which in German is "Lettland", and see:
"Leicaland" and "Lettland" sounds pretty similar, maybe that was the
problem ;))



Alin Flaider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>   Atvars, where do you come from, Leicaland? :o)
>   Now seriously, if you want to differentiate between vibrations of
>   mirror up and mirror return phases, just select a 2 second speed.
>   I did this, and I could feel no difference in mirror up between
>   my MZ-5n and a friend's PZ-1p (and 5n is my reference in terms of
>   still SLRs). However, PZ-1p startled visibly on mirror return / film
>   wind, yet less than all mechanical cameras that I ever handled.
>
>   Servus, Alin


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RE: scanned pentax stuff

2001-08-14 Thread Paris, Leonard



> -Original Message-
> From: george de fockert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: scanned pentax stuff
> 
> 
> 
> Pentax literature (most of them dutch)
> 
> The originals scanned at 300dpi to PNG, but the files here 
> are at height/3,
> width/3
> so effectively filesize/9 and in medium quality jpg to keep 
> the size (and
> download time) low.
> I am not planning to put the full resolution files on this 
> server with my
> current bandwith limitations.(max 15Kbyte/second)
> 
> George de Fockert
> 
>  dumped on the server :  ftp://icthuis.dyndns.org/pub/pentax/jpg_mini
> (table painfully manual alligned, how can I get rid of this stupid
> proportional font in outlook)

You can get rid of the "stupid proportional font" by choosing different
fonts in Outlook.

Click on Tools, Options, select the Mail Format tab and then click on the
fonts button.

Len
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Re[2]: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider


  Jostein, still your exposures were considerably longer (8s) than the
  time lag required for any mirror vibration to damp (2s). You may
  want to consider other factors, like lens collar rigidity in
  portrait orientation, wind, earthquakes... ;o)

  Servus,  Alin

Jostein wrote:

JO> Especially with exposure times around 1 second and Portrait orientation. I
JO> have some specific comments about Z-1 and FA*400/5.6 on my web site:
JO> http://home.c2i.net/jostein.oksne/Utstyr/fa400/fa400-test.htm


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RE: August PUG - Bill Casselberry

2001-08-14 Thread Ed Mathews

I don't think there's any IR sensor in the ZX5N.  I've used it
extensively for infrared and there has never been a problem, and I
recall Pentax saying at some point that there was no IR sensor in that
camera.

Thanks,
Ed

Tom said:
Snip..
> However, other MZ bodies have a sensor as well, and don't. 
> I've tested this with the ZX-5n.
Snip..

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Re: 3rd party lens as good as Pentax?

2001-08-14 Thread Mark Roberts

Quite a few third party lens manufacturers make superb 100mm macro lenses and
I've heard the new Sigma 180mm f3.5 is superb. There simply isn't a market for
mediocre macro lenses.
I've heard good things about many third-party prime lenses. Again, it's a market
segment where there's little demand for low/medium quality: people who buy
primes are usually looking for high quality and are wiling to pay for it so the
designers oblige as best they can.
Speaking from experience, my new Sigma EX 300.2.8 APO is just outstanding in
every respect.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Mark Roberts


>>Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, feels like
>>camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning (hopefully then). Is
>>it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This
>>isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...

Pål has stated that this is one of the areas in which the MZ-S is dramatically
better than the PZ-1p, at least when shooting with big glass (600mm for him).

>If you think the PZ-1p had too much vibration, you don't know what "real 
>vibration" is. Just try the Super A/Program and you would be amazed. Btw, I 
>have never "felt" the vibration of the PZ-1p caused any problem (either 
>handheld or tripod mounted). Handholding the Super A/Program did however.

Try out a Pentax 67 if you want to feel some mirror-return vibration!
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Re: USM Lenses (Re: Is Pentax About to Release New Lenses?)

2001-08-14 Thread dave o'brien

A scroll of mail from Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 13
Aug 2001 23:24:29 +0200
Read it? y
> The problem is that you in this way seriously increas power
> consumption because you use two AF motors. 

True.  The power consumption will depend on the load on the AF
driveshaft, though

> Besides, if the lens
> doesn't have a driveshaft then older AF bodies won't AF (that is
> start the AF motor in the camera) even if the camera is set at AF. 

True.  In that case, would a USM camera body not AF current Kaf
lenses?

> I don't think possible USM would be made compatible with older AF
> bodies - this would loose the motivation for buying the newer bodies.

A very valid point.

dave

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Re: NZ Customs sucks campylobacter-ridden shit!!

2001-08-14 Thread Jody

> >the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they
> >seem to think they can charge the freight on top of
> >that. I paid US$27.50 freight. Now, in the days
> when I
> >learnt maths, that was US$658.50.

> Actually, it should be US$678.50 according to the
> current 
> maths standards :-)

Hahaha! Oops. My excuse is that it feels like Friday
:)



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RE: Product Photography

2001-08-14 Thread Paul M. Provencher

I use Spotmatics (mainly a Spotmatic II) with one of three lenses:

SMC Macro Takumar 50mm f/4.0 (1:2) (auto, open aperture metering)
Macro Takumar 50mm f/4.0 (1:1) (preset aperture, stop-down metering)
SMC Macro Takumar 100mm f/4.0 (1:2) (auto, open aperture metering)

The two 50mm lenses give me a choice between different maximum
magnifications without close-up tubes or bellows, one being more convenient
to work with than the other.  The 100mm gives me the same max. magnfication
ratio but doubles my working distance making it easier to deal with lights
etc.  "Handy to haves" are eye-level magnifier and right-angle finder, not
to mention a cable release.

I use a Vivitar 283 with remotely mounted auto sensor - the flash is located
overhead in a light box and the sensor is mounted on the camera, using an
extention cable and socket for the auto-sensor.  Since I shoot near maximum
magnification, I compensate for exposure by opening up a little from the
recommended highest power auto setting (trial and error based on a
mathematically calculated starting point).  With 400 speed film at 1/60
second (flash sync speed) I usually shoot at about f/11~f/16.  Power
supplied by a Quantum rechargeable battery pack.  It is real budget table
top studio stuff.  But it works for what I shoot.

I also have a Lester Dine ring-light with kicker and variable power supply
that I use to fill in shadows when a reflective card is not enough to
minimize shadow.

It goes without saying that I use a tripod and light stands, and a set-up
table that is very high off the floor so I don't have to constantly bend
over or kneel down.  I leave it set up permanently as I shoot for
publication three or four times per month.

The two most important things in this are the evenness of lighting and the
proper choice of focus point.  Everything from front to rear must be in
pretty sharp focus and so a lot of checking is done to make sure the depth
of field at taking aperture is going to work.  When forced, I will let the
most distant points fall out of focus since that is less bothersome to most
viewers.

Of course you can take all this and choose any brand of camera, and the same
type of lenses, a like-powered and remotely controlled auto flash and
accomplish the same thing.   See my work on my web site under the "Articles"
page.  All of the photos associated with the last several issues of "Toy
Shop" and "Toy Cars & Models" were done using this setup, then scanned for
the web site with a cheesy scanner. (Well it is not that cheesy but it isn't
an expensive one either).

ppro
http://whitemetal.com

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 3:32 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Product Photography
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Jones"
> Subject: Product Photography
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm interested in doing some product photography, mainly shots
> of smallish objects like camera equipment, models and similar.
>
> I'm wondering what equipment i will need, i'm prepared to buy a
> few bits and pieces and how i should go about doing it.
>
> I can use either an LX or MZ-S and i have enough lense to cover
> most focal lengthes. The only flash i really have is a cheap
> haminex which is not ttl. altough i was considering buying a
> AF220T, as i can use this for macro work also.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Big topic. Unless you want to go out and spend mondo dollars for
> lighting, forget about flash. For product photography, you need
> WYSIWYG lighting. You need modeling lights at the same plane
> exactly as the flash tubes if you are going to use strobes. The
> only lights I know of that provide this are Photogenics. We call
> them Photo Genies in the trade, because they are magic.
> Conventional camera type flash units contain a surprise in every
> picture. This render them useless for small product.
> Yoy can do really good lighting with ordinary quartz halogen
> yard lights, available relatively inexpensively at most any
> hardware or department store. Get 2 or three of them, then go to
> a theatrical supply house and pick up some diffuser sheets
> designed for hot lights.
> For specular effects (great with jewelry) you can make a soft
> box out of a largish cardboard box covered on the inside with
> crumpled then flattened aluminium foil.
> You are on your own for mounting all this stuff to the lights,
> and do be careful about heat build up, especially if you are
> using flamables such as cardboard for building light modifiers.
> Theatrical diffusers and gels should be mounted at least 18" in
> front of a yard light with lots of ventilation between. Don't
> ever enclose one of these things, they build up a lot of heat in
> a hurry.
> Also, you will need an 80A filter to correct the colour of the
> light to match daylight film. This also matters for black and
> white film, contrary to popular misconception.
> Also, common 

Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider


  Atvars, where do you come from, Leicaland? :o)
  
  Now seriously, if you want to differentiate between vibrations of
  mirror up and mirror return phases, just select a 2 second speed.
  I did this, and I could feel no difference in mirror up between
  my MZ-5n and a friend's PZ-1p (and 5n is my reference in terms of
  still SLRs). However, PZ-1p startled visibly on mirror return / film
  wind, yet less than all mechanical cameras that I ever handled.

  Servus, Alin

Atvars wrote:

AK> Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, feels like
AK> camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning (hopefully then). Is
AK> it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This
AK> isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...


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Re: NZ Customs sucks campylobacter-ridden shit!!

2001-08-14 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen

At 02:12 14.8.2001 -0700, you wrote:
>  NZ Customs is holding my new LX. They have mailed me
>a bill for NZ$213.13 (multiply by 0.4 for US) which I
>must pay to get the camera. This is supposed to be for
>GST (Goods & Services Tax) on the "US$699 value" of
>the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they
>seem to think they can charge the freight on top of
>that. I paid US$27.50 freight. Now, in the days when I
>learnt maths, that was US$658.50.

Actually, it should be US$678.50 according to the current 
maths standards :-)

Anyways, the customs in Finland is the same. They also charge
the tax and vat based on the value of the item plus the value
of the shipping.

The customs base their statement value on what is written on the customs
declaration on the parcel. So, I suppose you have to blame the
sender for not stating the correct value if that is the case.

Antti-Pekka

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RE: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Jostein Oksne

Hi, Atvars.
I have the Z-1 (not p), but it goes for the same.
Under most conditions I'm not troubled by miror vibration.
However, when using long focal lengths (>200mm) it _can_ be.
Especially with exposure times around 1 second and Portrait orientation. I
have some specific comments about Z-1 and FA*400/5.6 on my web site:
http://home.c2i.net/jostein.oksne/Utstyr/fa400/fa400-test.htm

Best regards,
Jostein

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PZ-1p vibration?
> 
> 
> Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, 
> feels like 
> camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning 
> (hopefully then). Is 
> it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This 
> isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...
> Atvars
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Re: Problems and Complaints

2001-08-14 Thread Jody

Are you sure that's not your nudes you are thinking
of?

--- "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Doug Brewer wrote:
> 
> > what he really needs is a professional camera
> 
> Hey! All my cameras are professionals, since I pay
> them to take
> pictures!


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Re: Problems and Complaints

2001-08-14 Thread Jody

Yeah, like the same person writing in with lots of
problems and using different aliases, like say,
Zawadimedia (hypothetically speaking of course) ;)

--- Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps the serial number would be useful, too, to
> see if any patterns
> start emerging.


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Re: PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Alan Chan

>Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, feels like
>camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning (hopefully then). Is
>it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This
>isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...

If you think the PZ-1p had too much vibration, you don't know what "real 
vibration" is. Just try the Super A/Program and you would be amazed. Btw, I 
have never "felt" the vibration of the PZ-1p caused any problem (either 
handheld or tripod mounted). Handholding the Super A/Program did however.

regards,
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Re: Most Productive Gear?

2001-08-14 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi, 

> What is your most productive body and lense combo?

LX with 2/28 (sorry, it's a Cosina...)

> Whats your least productive body and lense combo, 
> which really should have been productive.

K2 and 2.8/16 fisheye. I couldn't manage to get a single
shot with it... 


Gabor

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NZ Customs sucks campylobacter-ridden shit!!

2001-08-14 Thread Jody

  Sorry about the title. Don't let your kids read it,
JF.
I am so pissed off. And it takes a lot to get me
swearing. I didn't swear once in the first 24 years of
my life.

  NZ Customs is holding my new LX. They have mailed me
a bill for NZ$213.13 (multiply by 0.4 for US) which I
must pay to get the camera. This is supposed to be for
GST (Goods & Services Tax) on the "US$699 value" of
the camera. I paid US$651 for the camera. Then they
seem to think they can charge the freight on top of
that. I paid US$27.50 freight. Now, in the days when I
learnt maths, that was US$658.50.
  
  What right do they have to rip me off like this?
What bloody goods and services did I get from them?
Since when was daylight robbery a service?

Jody ("It's the principle")


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PZ-1p vibration?

2001-08-14 Thread Atvars_Karro

Just tried PZ-1p. Feels like mirror makes lot of vibration, feels like 
camera jumps into ones hands when mirror is returning (hopefully then). Is 
it OK or not? Has anybody experienced that and had any problems? This 
isn't good, but if it does not affect quality of images...
Atvars

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Re: Must Resist!

2001-08-14 Thread Alin Flaider


  Bob, give your cameras a second chance. Get out for a day and shoot
  your usual subjects at various hours. Ask yourself at each picture
  "would I be better with MZ-S?". Next morning you'll know whom do
  you love in the end... ;o)

  Alin (in a hurry to buy a new car before MZ-S ghost takes over)

Bob S. wrote:

BS> I took my wife back after dinner to take another look.  She asked if it would
BS> make a good 30th anniversary present.  I must resist.

BS> I promised myself I would wait for the MZ-Sn.  I MUST RESIST.


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