RE: what UV filter for FA 24-90?

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Raimo wrote, in describing use of the Hoya HMC on the FA 24-90:
[snip...]
> no vignetting (which is a fancy word for light falloff)

Hi Raimo,

Just a technical point here.  Vignetting results because some optical
element (for instance, a thick filter on a wide lens) acts as an aperture
stop, and the image of this stop at the film plane is actually smaller than
the film plane.  A typical example of vignetting can be seen when one uses a
medium-format camera coupled to a small refracting telescope in
astrophotography.  The optical tube of the telescope acts as an aperture
stop, and if the tube is too small, one sees a circular image in the center
of the emulsion surrounded by a large unexposed area.  Light fall-off occurs
as a natural consequence of using a spherical lens to project an image onto
a flat film plane.  These are actually two very different things.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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Re:NEW-er Stupid question #2

[Scooterman]

I was tripping thru the pages of E-Bay & ran across a HONEYWELL Pentax H1a.

I promptly went to: http://is7.pacific.net.hk/~chanch/aohc/spot0010.html to see if it 
was on
their list of Spotomatics. Nope. Not there.

http://www.penta-club.org/penta/archive/2/pentaxians/pentaxians.htm didn't have a word 
on it.

BOZ didn't have any thing on Honeywell.

http://212.187.14.19/index2.html wouldn't have it cuz it's the ASHAI club.

So what's the deal?? Nobody likes the Honeywells?? Everyone making "definitive lists" 
couldn't
find pics of a camera that ran neck & neck with Ashai??

What gives?

Only http://whitemetal.com/pentax/index_pentax_cameras.htm seemed to have anything.
Sherfy's page mentions Honeywell exactly once. 
( http://www.concentric.net/~sherfy/special1.html )
Bonazza mentions Honeywell when talking about TTL metering briefly.

Why own an American camera when you can have the same model made in Japan??
I don't get it. Why's everyone seem to treat Honeywell like their wife's ugly dog??

Seems like folks would be lined up to get a "Tower 26". 
~~
Thanks to Ueda San for making perfect sense of a tricky question on Kaf2 auto-zoom 
lenses.

Scoot
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Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3)

[Jim Brooks]

Somewhere amongst hundreds of messages Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

"You guys sure you want Pentax to advertise like those other companies. Me?
I figure the reason Pentax is reasonably priced is they don't have the huge
advertising expense their competitors do. But, if the important thing is
your friends recognizing what a great camera you have because they read
about it in all those ads
- --To0m"


Pentax DOES advertise. It's just that they advertise spectacle lenses in a
photography mag. Why? and why is the MZ-S still not on the UK website? and
why is the MZ-7 the only SLR subject to promotion?

In many ways it's fantastic that Pentax users, including me, are so
brand-loyal that they are frustrated by this, but looking at it more
matter-of-factly, the only reason that Pentax "supports" their users is that
they make money by selling their gear.

If they sell more gear by increasing their market-share, then us users will
get more support, and the prices will be lower to boot! On the other hand,
if Canon continue to convince nearly all SLR newbies that their product is
somehow "better" than the other brands, Pentax will slowly but surely
concentrate their efforts on more profitable lines like Espio (IQ zoom) P&S.

Take a UK photo mag and look at how many of the reader-submitted pics are
taken with a Pentax. It's not a comforting number.

A photographic chain-store in the north of England does not carry Pentax as
"it doesn't sell". This is a vicious circle - it's not going to sell if they
don't carry it. I CARE about this because I want to be able to spend lots of
money on Pentax products in the future.

It's all very well building a great product - and Pentax is undoubtedly a
GREAT PRODUCT, but it's almost negligent to fail to promote it and just
assume people will flock to buy it. My impression is that Pentax expects
buyers of their higher-end models to have researched all the options and
made an informed decision. Fair enough for those careful and methodical
people, but there are plenty of people that are wooed by an impressive piece
of advertising, or a snappy slogan, who will spend the money on whatever has
the most showroom appeal.

It's not about impressing friends with gear, but about ensuring that this
great camera company, which we are all so passionate about, continues to
thrive and churn out wonderful new products on a regular basis.

It's Friday and now I am getting off my soapbox.
Jim Brooks



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Re: pow

[tom]

Steve Larson wrote:
> 
> I like it! Color? Have fun at GFM Tom.

Yeah, don't we all need a little color sometimes?

I had switched to color because the inside of this diner was so 70's
garish ugly that I felt compelled.

> What lens?

It was the 20-35/4 and Supra 100.

Thanks.

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Re: Deja vu all over again

[Anand DHUPKAR]

YES, I AM ALSO GETTING POSTING .. HOW MANY TIMES .. I DON'T KNOW.  BUT 
REPEAT POSTS IS A BIG ISSUE NOW.
LAST NIGHT I HAD 250+ E-MAILS IN MY INBOX.
WHOM SHOULD I CONTACT ?
HELP, PLEASE



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>Subject: Re: Deja vu all over again
>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:44:22 -0700
>
>Frank Theriault wrote:
>
>>Is Andie McDowell with you?
>
>
>>>I'm getting a lot of double and triple posting from the list on my e-mail
>>>account. Is there a glich in the system and are there others>
>>>expericiencing
>>>this? Or maybe I'm just having my personal groundhog day in August.
>
>If she was, I wouldn't be wasting my time reading all of these multiple
>postings of the same messages. 
>
>Help!!!
>
>Regards,
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IS THERE A PROBLEM ?

[Anand DHUPKAR]

PLEASE,
IS THERE A PROBLEM ?

I received the following e-mail dated August 14th to on
August 17th just now and I have a very strong feeling it is being sent again 
and again.  I am finding some e-mails also resent again .

Is there any problem ?  Whom should it be addressed ?

>From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Scanner problem - a little OT but help would be nice
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:59:29 -0400
>
>Hi --
>I saw the 1640U at JVC in NY today for $329 --
>but they didnt have the adaptor in
>stock -- supposedly it will
>be in tomorrow.
>
>I AM gonna go for it! :)
>
>Thanks to all of youse for your input on this.
>
>annsan
>
>
>"Cameron R. Hood" wrote:
> >
> > Get an Epson! They rule the planet for inkjet printers and scanners. 
>Nothing
> > else comes close, and they have truly excellent tech support and 
>warranty
> > service, and their products are cutting edge. For an inexpensive 
>scanner,
> > try the perfection 1240, not much more money than those truly awful 
>Umax's
> > and the equally bad HP's. If you can afford a little more, get the
> > Perfection 1640 SU Photo with transparency adapter: it outperforms 
>scanners
> > costing several thousand dollars.
> >
> > Incidentally, I am a photographer and graphic artist who uses these 
>products
> > everyday in my business. I have done 5' x 7' large format trade show
> > graphics scanning from a print on this scanner, with superb results.
> >
> > Cameron Hood
> >
> > PS: No, I don't work for Epson
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Re: Zoom Lens Query

[Anand DHUPKAR]

THIS ONE I AM RECEIVING THIRD TIME, FOR SURE !!
WHAT IS GOING ON ?


>From: Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Zoom Lens Query
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:28:59 -0400
>
>I missed the start of this discussion, but another option for manual
>focus 70 - 200ish lenses is the older Vivitar Series 1 70 - 210 f3.5.  I
>have the oldest version of this lens (67mm front filter size) and it is
>very good.  OK wide open, excellent at 5.6 and smaller.  The 1:2 macro
>capability is neat, but my test showe it to be pretty poor in terms of
>edge sharpness in this mode.
>
>Due to a quirk in its design, this lens will not fit on new pentax
>bodies with the power zoom contacts, though.
>
>- MCC
>
>At 09:17 AM 8/12/01 -0700, Shel wrote:
>
>
>Chris Brogden wrote:
>
>>How about the A70-210/4?
>
>Well, I don't know squat about it either.  I'm out of my element with
>zoom lenses.  At least I've a Tokina 80~200, so I have a small point
>of reference as to size and how it handles.  Other than that, I'm
>totally ignorant.
>
>>Or he could switch to Canon to get the
>>new 70-200/4L,
>
>I don't think he'll do that as it would require another camera.
>
>>I'd think seriously about an 80-200/2.8 myself,
>>but the A70-210/4 might do the trick if it's sharp enough.
>
>Thanks Chris ... anyone got some comments based on experience with the
>A70~200?
>--
>Shel Belinkoff
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Re: Enabled

[Francis Tang]

David,

I've been toying with the idea of moving up the format ladder and/or
trying shift lenses.  Have you looked at the shifting MF cameras?
Cameras such as the Hasselblad 'Flex (or whatever) and the Silvestri
cameras?  There are others but I can't seem to be able to find out
much about them.

Frank.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 06:51:40PM +1200, David A. Mann wrote:

>  I'm still having trouble deciding between a 67II and a Mamiya RZ kit once I've 
> sold the RB.  Maybe I'll ditch 6x7 entirely and get a 4x5 system with a 6x9 
> back.  Then I get the option of a huge slide, as well as control over perspective 
> and focal planes.

-- 
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LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK.
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Re: 645 film flatness (WAS: Re: 6x7 or 645?)

[Francis Tang]

Thanks Anthony!

It all makes sense now.  A while back I read that to test alignment of
the focussing screen, you should use a wide angle lens.  I guess it
comes down to the same thing.

Frank.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:52:56PM +1000, Anthony Farr wrote:

> In answer I will quote myself from a previous unrelated thread.
> 
> "Wide lenses . have very short depth of focus, ie the tolerance for
> focussing error at the focal plane.  . the cone produced by the image
> forming light is very wide so that a very, very small change in lens
> extension will make the circle of confusion unacceptably large. OTOH a long
> lens has a narrow cone of image forming light, and will tolerate a quite
> large change in lens extension without exceeding the parameters of
> acceptable circles of confusion."
> 
> This should clear up a very common misconception.
> 
> Regards,
> Anthony Farr

-- 
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Re: Re:NEW-er Stupid question #2

[Bob Blakely]

The Honeywell Pentax is the same as the Asahi Pentax. The camera, made in
Japan, was marketed in the US by Honeywell. This is from the Pentax line
just prior to the Spotmatics. It was an excellent, rugged, small, all
mechanical screw mount camera. I used to own one, along with a light meter
that road atop the pentaprism and coupled with the shutter knob.

The only difference between the Honeywell and Asahi versions was the
camera's top plate, and the only difference between the camera top plates is
the name.

http://www.pentax.com/about/history/history_display.cfm?histpg=history_1960.
cfm

Regards,
Bob...

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From: "Scooterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:14 AM
Subject: Re:NEW-er Stupid question #2


> I was tripping thru the pages of E-Bay & ran across a HONEYWELL Pentax
H1a.
>
> I promptly went to: http://is7.pacific.net.hk/~chanch/aohc/spot0010.html
to see if it was on
> their list of Spotomatics. Nope. Not there.
>
> http://www.penta-club.org/penta/archive/2/pentaxians/pentaxians.htm didn't
have a word on it.
>
> BOZ didn't have any thing on Honeywell.
>
> http://212.187.14.19/index2.html wouldn't have it cuz it's the ASHAI
club.
>
> So what's the deal?? Nobody likes the Honeywells?? Everyone making
"definitive lists" couldn't
> find pics of a camera that ran neck & neck with Ashai??
>
> What gives?
>
> Only http://whitemetal.com/pentax/index_pentax_cameras.htm seemed to have
anything.
> Sherfy's page mentions Honeywell exactly once.
> ( http://www.concentric.net/~sherfy/special1.html )
> Bonazza mentions Honeywell when talking about TTL metering briefly.
>
> Why own an American camera when you can have the same model made in
Japan??
> I don't get it. Why's everyone seem to treat Honeywell like their wife's
ugly dog??
>
> Seems like folks would be lined up to get a "Tower 26". 
> ~~
> Thanks to Ueda San for making perfect sense of a tricky question on Kaf2
auto-zoom lenses.
>
> Scoot
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Re: Deja vu all over again

[tom]

It's fixed, dude.

tv

Anand DHUPKAR wrote:
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> REPEAT POSTS IS A BIG ISSUE NOW.
> LAST NIGHT I HAD 250+ E-MAILS IN MY INBOX.
> WHOM SHOULD I CONTACT ?
> HELP, PLEASE
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MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))

[Pål Jensen]

Atvars wrote:

> I'll repeat that question: why oh why Pentax is not including that fact
> (MZ-S is painted by hand) in advertising?
> That brings MZ-S out of the crowd and puts it into another category. This
> is not "hi, guys, we made a helluva camera, seems good, lots of features,
> we put it on the production line, come and get one" anymore - this is "we
> pay attention to everything, we care about every camera, so we do about
> every customer".  Pentax could even engrave technician's name on the camera
> body somewhere or smth like that.


They should rather paint them in color after the customers wish. Options just like 
when buying a car. Alternatively, they could have had just a few colors to choose from 
at extra cost; like military green, dark red, dark blue, brown etc. I would like to 
have one in military green. Since they are painting them by hand anyway, such a scheme 
should be easy to implant. They could charge quite a lot for this and get away with 
it. 

Pål

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Re: tele photo lens FA 600 f 4

[Pål Jensen]

Dieter wrote:

> Thanks for posting all these comments, they're very helpful - I've to decide between 
>Zeiss 350f4 (for Contax 645) and FA*600f4 with MZ-S. At the moment, it seem that I've 
>be unfaithful to my favorate label :-))  - (there's no Zeiss 135 tele photo lens in 
>acordingly cost range)
> 


I'm using the Pentax 645n system myself, but there really is no alternative to the 
35mm system when it comes to super telephotos. I can only guess what a Zeiss 350/4 for 
the Contax 645 costs - it won't anyway give you much reach and really is no 
alternative for a 600/4.


Pål


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Re: FA* 600/4.0, was there a recent design change?

[Pål Jensen]

David wrote:


>Staff at Leo's
> product info said something about a built in rotary dial in type filter holder
> with 6 built in filters.  

I believe this must be a misunderstanding. It has a filter holder and comes with six 
screw-in filters in addition to a clear glass filter; these are three colored filters 
for B&W and three warming filters. 

Pål

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Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Part 3)

[Pål Jensen]

Alan wrote:


> Could that indicate Asahi had a stronger optics design team than Canon? 

Asahi is perhaps the worlds largest photo related Optical company; they are first and 
foremost an optical company. All manufacturers do research on various camera and optic 
related fields and hardly  any feature is patented fully by one company alone. Theres 
a lot of cross licensing going on. 

>Or 
> there are more than one Asahi companies in Japan?


There is, but we are talking about Asahi Kogaku. 


Pål


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Re: Deja vu all over again

[Bob Blakely]

You can stop shouting now.

Regards,
Bob...
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> 
 > YES, I AM ALSO GETTING POSTING .. HOW MANY TIMES .. I DON'T KNOW.  BUT
> REPEAT POSTS IS A BIG ISSUE NOW.
> LAST NIGHT I HAD 250+ E-MAILS IN MY INBOX.
> WHOM SHOULD I CONTACT ?
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RE: MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))

[admin]

As long as they don't go for silly fluorescent colors and give them embarassing
names like "blueberry". ;-)

Pål  wrote:

>They should rather paint them in color after the customers wish. Options
>just like when buying a car. Alternatively, they could have had just a
few
>colors to choose from at extra cost; like military green, dark red, dark
>blue, brown etc. I would like to have one in military green. Since they
are
>painting them by hand anyway, such a scheme should be easy to implant.
They
>could charge quite a lot for this and get away with it. 


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RE: IS THERE A PROBLEM ?

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Anand wrote:
> PLEASE,
> IS THERE A PROBLEM ?

> I received the following e-mail dated August 14th to on
> August 17th just now and I have a very strong feeling it is being sent
> again and again.  I am finding some e-mails also resent again .

> Is there any problem ?  Whom should it be addressed ?

Hi Anand,

Not to worry.  Occasionally our good friend Majordomo (the automated
listserver software) and his network cyberfriends become disoriented and do
this.  Just a network hiccup.  If it gets too annoying, you can always
unsubscribe for a day or two.  Usually seems to go away by itself, as best
as I can tell.  Doug Brewer (the List Guy) is gone for a few days, but he'll
take care of any problems that need his attention when he gets back.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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RE: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3)

[Erik Nordin]

I agree totally. In Sweden, the MZ-S is on the website but all shops I have
talked with complain about the lack of marketing support from Pentax Sweden.
One of the major pro designated photo shops in Stockholm hesitated about
having the MZ-S on the shelf since the price was rather high for their idea
of a Pentax customer. They sell all other models, but concentrate upon
Nikon, Leica and Hasselblad. However, the first page of their website is
since the last days totally dominated by the MZ-S, so obviously they decided
to stock it - perhaps the fact that I ordered the 77/1.8 from them helped a
little...


-Original Message-
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Sent: den 17 augusti 2001 15:15
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3)


Somewhere amongst hundreds of messages Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

"You guys sure you want Pentax to advertise like those other companies. Me?
I figure the reason Pentax is reasonably priced is they don't have the huge
advertising expense their competitors do. But, if the important thing is
your friends recognizing what a great camera you have because they read
about it in all those ads
- --To0m"


Pentax DOES advertise. It's just that they advertise spectacle lenses in a
photography mag. Why? and why is the MZ-S still not on the UK website? and
why is the MZ-7 the only SLR subject to promotion?

In many ways it's fantastic that Pentax users, including me, are so
brand-loyal that they are frustrated by this, but looking at it more
matter-of-factly, the only reason that Pentax "supports" their users is that
they make money by selling their gear.

If they sell more gear by increasing their market-share, then us users will
get more support, and the prices will be lower to boot! On the other hand,
if Canon continue to convince nearly all SLR newbies that their product is
somehow "better" than the other brands, Pentax will slowly but surely
concentrate their efforts on more profitable lines like Espio (IQ zoom) P&S.

Take a UK photo mag and look at how many of the reader-submitted pics are
taken with a Pentax. It's not a comforting number.

A photographic chain-store in the north of England does not carry Pentax as
"it doesn't sell". This is a vicious circle - it's not going to sell if they
don't carry it. I CARE about this because I want to be able to spend lots of
money on Pentax products in the future.

It's all very well building a great product - and Pentax is undoubtedly a
GREAT PRODUCT, but it's almost negligent to fail to promote it and just
assume people will flock to buy it. My impression is that Pentax expects
buyers of their higher-end models to have researched all the options and
made an informed decision. Fair enough for those careful and methodical
people, but there are plenty of people that are wooed by an impressive piece
of advertising, or a snappy slogan, who will spend the money on whatever has
the most showroom appeal.

It's not about impressing friends with gear, but about ensuring that this
great camera company, which we are all so passionate about, continues to
thrive and churn out wonderful new products on a regular basis.

It's Friday and now I am getting off my soapbox.
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cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Frank Wajer]

Hi,

what is the cheapest shop in The Netherlands where I can get the FA 24-90?
If Germany or UK is cheaper I don't mind buying there instead.


Frank
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question

[Rob Brigham]

>From another chatlist:

"Well, I have a large number of cameras, some of them quite normal and
some of them very odd. And I've just dug out one of the oddest of them
all, in some ways.
It's an all-black 35mm SLR, about 20 years old. It has a 42mm screw
thread mount, with a standard 50mm f1.7 lens. It has a shutter speed
range from 4 seconds to 1/1000 electronically, and a mechanical 1/60.
Nothing too remarkable in that, but here's where it starts getting a bit
more interesting.
The stopped-down metering can be switched from centre-weighted averaging
(Av, to this camera) to spot (Sp), providing an LED read-out in the
viewfinder. But what really makes it special is a separate device that
clips into the hotshoe and sits on top of the shutter speed dial. This
little device provides aperture priority automation by moving the
shutter speed dial with a little motor!
The spec is rounded off by a DOF preview button, multiple exposure
lever, PC socket, self timer and shutter lock.
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what it could be?"

Is this pentax?  If so any ideas what?

Rob

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Re: 135mm lens

[Steve Sharpe]

At 2:41 PM +1000 8/17/01, Bob Rapp wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "Steve Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:46 PM
>Subject: Re: 135mm lens
>
>
>The best 28 lens period! How much did you pay? Anything less than 150.00 is
>an excellent buy!

$60 bin. Supposedly in mint condition, though the seller mentioned in 
his description that the "auto aperture is slightly slower than 
ideal". Of course I did not email him for clarification before 
bidding (...), so I'm not sure if he means that the F3.5 speed is 
slower than your typical 28mm or that the lens actually stops down 
slowly. If it is the latter then I could be in trouble. Oh well. I 
usually take my ebay purchases into my favourite repair shop for a 
check over anyway. For that price I don't mind paying extra money to 
get it working properly.


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264775057&ed=997851346
-- 
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Re: mx tale of woe or time for a 2nd body

[Steve Sharpe]

At 8:51 AM +0200 8/17/01, Fred Lahuis wrote:
>It does indeed have a lock which should also switch of the
>meter, however many older MX-es will still activate the
>shutter when pressed.

Sounds like the situation with my MX.


>So, lock it (it may save film) but still be carefull how
>you put it in the bag.


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Re: 135mm lens

[Steve Sharpe]

At 1:02 AM -0400 8/17/01, tom wrote:
>Steve Sharpe wrote:
>>
>>  At 9:01 PM -0700 8/16/01, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>  >Steve Sharpe wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>  Now, (he asks belatedly, having just "won"
>>  >>  an ebay auction for one), what is the SMC-K
>>  >>  28mm f3.5 like?
>>  >
>>  >Great lens!
>>
>>  Okay, I feel better.
>>
>>  How about the FA 50mm f2.8 macro? :^)
>
>Great lens!

I feel better still.
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RE: cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Rob Brigham]

Try the following if you want to get it from Germany.

http://www.technikdirekt.de/english/default.asp?init=true

Its about the same price anywhere in the UK.

Nobody seems to be selling it much cheaper from what I have seen.

Rob

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From: Frank Wajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 August 2001 15:28
To: pdml
Subject: cheapest place to get FA 24-90


Hi,

what is the cheapest shop in The Netherlands where I can get the FA
24-90?
If Germany or UK is cheaper I don't mind buying there instead.


Frank
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Re: Old messages coming back again...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Robert Harris wrote:
> 
> Andrew Blake wrote:
> >
> > yeah me too, up to something over 100 now. deja nues, that feeling you get
> > when you're sure you've already caught up on the news, only to do it all
> > over again with a strange sense of familiarity.
> 
> I guess I hold the record -- for the moment. I just signed on and got
> over 300 messages, mostly old ones that I have seen before. And most of
> them sucked the first time, too. :)
> 
> Bob Harris
>
I win - I got 360 - nahynayahnayh :)

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Re: NEW-er Stupid question #2

[Rfsindg]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I was tripping thru the pages of E-Bay & ran across a HONEYWELL Pentax H1a.
 
 I promptly went to: http://is7.pacific.net.hk/~chanch/aohc/spot0010.html to
 see if it was on their list of Spotomatics. Nope. Not there.
 
 http://www.penta-club.org/penta/archive/2/pentaxians/pentaxians.htm
 didn't have a word on it.
 
 BOZ didn't have any thing on Honeywell.
 
 http://212.187.14.19/index2.html wouldn't have it cuz it's the ASHAI 
club.
 
 So what's the deal?? Nobody likes the Honeywells?? Everyone
 making "definitive lists" couldn't find pics of a camera that ran neck
 & neck with Ashai??  >>

In general, the Honeywell models are identical to the Asahi nameplate.  They 
are earlier screwmount cameras and aren't covered by Boz's site.  Eventually, 
Asahi stopped selling the cameras to Honeywell and decided that they could 
sell in the USA under their own Pentax label.  I guess people whould rather 
have the original Asahi label than the Honeywell one.

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: Deja vu all over again

[Anand DHUPKAR]

OK. Thanks
BTW, what is Deja Vu ?


>From: tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Deja vu all over again
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:52:49 -0400
>
>It's fixed, dude.
>
>tv
>
>Anand DHUPKAR wrote:
> >
> > YES, I AM ALSO GETTING POSTING .. HOW MANY TIMES .. I DON'T KNOW.  BUT
> > REPEAT POSTS IS A BIG ISSUE NOW.
> > LAST NIGHT I HAD 250+ E-MAILS IN MY INBOX.
> > WHOM SHOULD I CONTACT ?
> > HELP, PLEASE
> >
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Kodak Photo-CD: Good or Bad?

[Pat White]

I've had quite a few pictures scanned onto PhotoCD, but it's much less 
expensive to have it done at time of developing:  $.60 per image instead of 
$2 per image, plus $17 for the CD (prices in Cdn $). The choice of 5 
resolutions is handy, as "large" (4 meg) is adequate for 5x7s, and lets my old 
P166 mmx run much faster, while "full" (18 meg) gives very good quality 
8x10s.  
 
The images always need the contrast adjusted (I use "tone" in PhotoMAX 
Pro") to print properly, but with a bit of practice, it takes very little 
time.  I rarely use Photoshop as I find it very cumbersome and difficult to 
print from.  Kodak says that the CD will hold a maximum of 100 images, but 
on my last one, there was a communication mix-up (the counter staff at Shoppers 
Drug Mart don't get many PhotoCD orders, and aren't sure how to write up the 
envelope) and I wound up with 136 images on a single CD.  They seem to 
display and print just fine, although I haven't checked every single 
image.
 
I appreciate the savings in time.  How long would it take to scan 100 
or so images at around 2500 dpi resolution (or whatever 2048x 3072 works out 
to)?  The turnaround at the drugstore is about 8-10 days, but I don't spend 
a week in front of the computer this way, nor do I fill up my 2 gig hard drive, 
as I only save pictures that require more than 10 minutes of tweaking.  My 
2 cents worth.
 
Pat White

RE: Old messages coming back again...

[Erik Nordin]

Or I win - 455...

-Original Message-
From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 17 augusti 2001 16:51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Old messages coming back again...




Robert Harris wrote:
> 
> Andrew Blake wrote:
> >
> > yeah me too, up to something over 100 now. deja nues, that feeling you
get
> > when you're sure you've already caught up on the news, only to do it all
> > over again with a strange sense of familiarity.
> 
> I guess I hold the record -- for the moment. I just signed on and got
> over 300 messages, mostly old ones that I have seen before. And most of
> them sucked the first time, too. :)
> 
> Bob Harris
>
I win - I got 360 - nahynayahnayh :)

ann
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RE: Manfrotto 308RC ballhead - problem?

[Rob Brigham]

Why do you hate the 460 so?

-Original Message-
From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 August 2001 22:58
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Manfrotto 308RC ballhead - problem?


Frantisek wrote:

> The problem:
> when tightening the ballhead, it always rotated more or
> less around the vertical axis, to the right. So (especially with long
> lenses) the composition shifted to the right when tightened.


This is called "ball creep" and its a common problem on ball heads. Only
a few expensive ones are without this (Arca Swiss?). Even the biggest
Manfrotto ball head display this phenomenon. The problem is biggest with
heavy lenses and lenses offering high magnification. With eg. a  600mm
its a royal pain in the ass - as soon as you frame your suject and
tightening the head down it creeps. 
As you say, the main point with a ball head is to be able of framing
with one movement. However, I'm incapable of doing so anyway;
particularly when dealing with a heavy telephotos. Now how do you point
in a various direction, while hinged in a point below the lens, for
following the action and keeping the desired framing and keeping the
horizon level simultaneously? I simply can't do it. And when you figure
out that the horizon isn't level after all, how do you adjust just on
angle with a ball head. I found that I needed brain - hand coordination
I simply did not posses.

If you go for the 329 let us know. I'm considering that head. Have you
BTW tried or seen the 329? If so, how is it like? I've always had great
respect for Manfrotto products but that was until I bought the 460MG


Pål  


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Re: question

[John F. DeLoach]

Vivitar XC-3  w/ XC-A...made by Cosina
My guess!
jfd

At 03:28 PM 08/17/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>From another chatlist:
>
>"Well, I have a large number of cameras, some of them quite normal and
>some of them very odd. And I've just dug out one of the oddest of them
>all, in some ways.
>It's an all-black 35mm SLR, about 20 years old. It has a 42mm screw
>thread mount, with a standard 50mm f1.7 lens. It has a shutter speed
>range from 4 seconds to 1/1000 electronically, and a mechanical 1/60.
>Nothing too remarkable in that, but here's where it starts getting a bit
>more interesting.
>The stopped-down metering can be switched from centre-weighted averaging
>(Av, to this camera) to spot (Sp), providing an LED read-out in the
>viewfinder. But what really makes it special is a separate device that
>clips into the hotshoe and sits on top of the shutter speed dial. This
>little device provides aperture priority automation by moving the
>shutter speed dial with a little motor!
>The spec is rounded off by a DOF preview button, multiple exposure
>lever, PC socket, self timer and shutter lock.
>Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what it could be?"
>
>Is this pentax?  If so any ideas what?
>
>Rob
>
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Re: question

[Pål Jensen]

Seems like a Miranda or a Topcon to me. It shpuld be somewhat older than 20 years 
though...




- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:28 PM
Subject: question


> From another chatlist:
> 
> "Well, I have a large number of cameras, some of them quite normal and
> some of them very odd. And I've just dug out one of the oddest of them
> all, in some ways.
> It's an all-black 35mm SLR, about 20 years old. It has a 42mm screw
> thread mount, with a standard 50mm f1.7 lens. It has a shutter speed
> range from 4 seconds to 1/1000 electronically, and a mechanical 1/60.
> Nothing too remarkable in that, but here's where it starts getting a bit
> more interesting.
> The stopped-down metering can be switched from centre-weighted averaging
> (Av, to this camera) to spot (Sp), providing an LED read-out in the
> viewfinder. But what really makes it special is a separate device that
> clips into the hotshoe and sits on top of the shutter speed dial. This
> little device provides aperture priority automation by moving the
> shutter speed dial with a little motor!
> The spec is rounded off by a DOF preview button, multiple exposure
> lever, PC socket, self timer and shutter lock.
> Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what it could be?"
> 
> Is this pentax?  If so any ideas what?
> 
> Rob
> 
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Manfrotto 460MG (WAS: Re: Manfrotto 308RC ballhead - problem?)

[Pål Jensen]

Rob wrote:

> Why do you hate the 460 so?

For numerous reasons. I wanted a lightweight head and figured out that 460MG should 
fit the bill. Living far away from any well supplied shop there was no way I could try 
before buying. I didn't study the images of the head closely enough...

The main problem is that the head is hinged off axis. This means that if you are going 
to level the horizon you're also lifting the camera to a higher position because the 
hinge is not located underneath the camera body as on most other pan-tilt heads, but 
to the left of it; ie. you are both lifting the camera while rotating it. Also, the 
up/down control (that is whether you want the camera to point up or down) is also 
located aff axis, this time in front of the camera . This means that also while 
adjusting this angle you are lifting the camera as well. It doesn't matter that much 
for this angle...
Since both axial movements are hinged off axis the head also experience flop; a 
"feature" so far only found in ball heads.
Adjustment is not done while grabbing a handle. Adjustement is done by grabbing the 
camera and point it in the desired directions after loosening the control(s). However, 
the locking controls are reached with your right hand which happens to be the hand you 
grab the camera with as well. Unless you use both hands, which will be awkward either 
way since neither the camera nor the head controls are easy to operate with your left 
hand, the camera will flop while loosening the controls. Nedless to say, its an 
ergonomic nightmare.
Whats worse is that its totally incomprehensible design principle means that all the 
weight the head is supposed to support is cantilevered which means it can't take much 
weight at all. It can't hold a 200mm lens. This  one is to avoid and it the worst 
spent $150 (with 4 extra quick release plates) I've ever spent. Its basically useless. 
A pan-tilt head where you can't adjust one angle at the time ..what a concept!

Pål

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Re: Some words about the FA24-90

[Andreas]

On 16 Aug 2001, at 2:14, Alan Chan wrote:

> >Well the problem is that I now almost use the FA43 1.9, FA77 1.8 and
> >the FA100 2.8 macro. When I switch to the FA24-90 it feels a bit
> >cheap to me :-)
> 
> And together with the FA31/1.8 Limited and you would be a VERY happy
> man (sure you are quite happy already).  :p
> 
> regards,
> Alan Chan

I do not think that I would be so happy because I have to rob a bank first ;-)
And there is also the MZ-S on my wish list.
BTW I do not think that 31mm is something I really want.
I just wait on the FA22/2.2 Limited :-) Would be a nice numbering, or ?

Andreas
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Re: Kodak Photo-CD: Good or Bad ?

[Andreas]

On 16 Aug 2001, at 15:54, Michel Adam wrote:
> 
> Calling for input on Kodak Photo-CD.
> 
> Is it worth it? In my area, scans are $2.50 per
> 35mm frames, $6 for medium format (for the 5 pack
> resolution), and the CD's are $13.
> ...

I have a quick overview about the Kodak Photo-CD using slides at
http://home.wtal.de/DrBig/photocd.html

Have a nice day
Andreas
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Re: MZ-S, Battery grip BG-10

[Mark Erickson]

Paid $159.95 (US) for mine at cameraworld.com

--Mark


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From: "Jermann Dieter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:11 AM
Subject: MZ-S, Battery grip BG-10


> does anybody know the app. Price of this piece?
> 
> Dieter

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Pentax ESII, buy or not?

[Anders Werholt]

Hi all,
 
I have found a Pentax ESII (black) + Takumar 55/1:2 
(I don't know which Takumar-version yet) for about 90 USD. The owner says it is 
fully functional and in very good condition with very little brassing and no 
scratches. If the camera is that good, I think that the price is very 
decent.
I will check the camera after the weekend. As I am 
quite new on the Pentax screw-mount bodies, I wonder if I should check for 
something special on an ESII, or has someone got any advice about this 
Pentax-model and the lenses for it?(I found some advices in the "Spotmatic 
ES Query" thread from the beginning of August).
 
Best regardsAnders 
Werholt

Re: Picture of the Week (Fuji Acros)

[William Kane]

Colors?   All I see is grey scale

"Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:

> The effect of the mirror is quite nice, but I don't like the colours.
>
> Frits
> -
> Heres my Picture of the Week.
>
> http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/week3.html
>
> This is first roll of film I have developed myself in 10 years or so, I
> managed to get a role of Fuji Acros, i'm not sure if i botched the
> developing or not as the image seems quite grainy, more like a 400 or
> faster.its been cropped a little bit.
>
> As usual feel free to comment.
>
> Regards,
> Paul Jones
>
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RE: cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

I have looked at that, and saw the B&H price at $499.95 at the moment I was
comparing it. That is now £346. Ad shipping, and your are at or close to the
£380, certainly if you have to pay import duties of (I assume) 17.5%.
I have bought from B&H when I lived in the USA, and also later when I lived
in the Netherlands again or here in the UK, but always on a business trip,
and have it shipped to a colleague in the USA or picked it up at B&H myself.
Since Lucent is in big problems like many others at the moment, business
trips are not very likely at the moment.
Two days after I ordered I noticed B&H took $100 from the price of this
lens. I had other quotes here in the UK around £449
A lot of the shops here don't realise they are competing with shops in NY.
When I bought my Tamron 90mm/f2.8 AF Macro at B&H a few years ago, I paid
half of what I had to pay in the Netherlands. I do like to support my local
shops, but this is a big difference, and to be honest, not all local shops
are worth supporting.

Frits

> Would it have been far less expensive to order from B&H or Adorama in the
> states where the price for the 24-90 is about $400 USD?
>
> DG
> At 08:22 PM 8/17/01 +0100, you wrote:
> >I paid £380 for it here in the UK, that is fl 1326.50 at this moment. I
> >mail-ordered it from Peter in Sunny Brighton.
> >Frits

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RE: Picture of the Week (Fuji Acros)

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

I am glad to see we agree:-)

Frits
>
> Colors?   All I see is grey scale
>
> "Frits J. Wüthrich" wrote:
>
> > The effect of the mirror is quite nice, but I don't like the colours.
> >
> > Frits
> > -
> > Heres my Picture of the Week.
> >
> > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~nrg/week3.html

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Re: Pentax Waist Level Finder FF-1

[Rfsindg]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I am considering acquiring one of these for my LX, so I would appreciate
 any comments if you have used it on your LX.
 
 Have you found it to be very useful?  What type of photography do you
 like to use it for?  Portrait, macro, etc..   Is it difficult to focus
 on subjects compared to the standard FA-1 Finder?? >>

Jose,

I enjoy using the Waist Level Finder on the LX.  It is not much good for 
action shots or quick framing and shooting, a normal FA-1 or FA-2 is much 
better.  But, it would be good at fixed compositions like macro or portrait 
work.

I have used it for candid photos on business trips, when I did not want to 
call attention my picture taking.  Everybody assumes that you must look THRU 
the camera to aim and shoot.  With the Waist Level Finder attached, the LX 
can hang at breast level and you'll get a good shot.  (I've used a Yashica T4 
the same way.)  You must remember that the image is reversed, so it takes a 
while to learn when to move the LX to the right or left to change the 
composition.

The magnification of the viewfinder is something like 110%, so if you can 
take time to position your eye over the viewfinder properly, you get a big 
image.  

Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: MZ-S sales in UK

[Joseph Tainter]

Just yesterday I read the review in Practical Photography. It was quite
positive, just faulting the price as rather high. Perhaps this has
something to do with the sales.

Joe
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Re: cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Rfsindg]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< A lot of the shops here don't realize they are competing with shops in NY.
 When I bought my Tamron 90mm/f2.8 AF Macro at B&H a few years ago, I paid
 half of what I had to pay in the Netherlands. I do like to support my local
 shops, but this is a big difference, and to be honest, not all local shops
 are worth supporting.  >>

Frits,

I would like to support the local shop here in Chicago where I have seen the 
MZ-S.
I was interested to hear their price at $899...only about $100 over 
mail-order.  I was suprised as they are easily charging $100 above mailorder 
on the ZX-5n or PZ-1p.  Does this mean that there are further price drops in 
the future of the MSS?

Regards, Bob S.

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Re: Pentax Waist Level Finder FF-1

[Pål Jensen]

Jose wrote:

> Have you found it to be very useful?  What type of photography do you
> like to use it for?  


Useful for landscapes. It's main advantage is that the focus screen look like a slide 
on a light table. Far easier to compose graphically. Hopeless for verticals though...

Pål

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A fun visit to Midwest

[Collin Brendemuehl]

They got in a nice black ES.  Just a modest amount of brassing.
With the SMC Tak 55/1.8, Super Multi Coated Tak 135/3.5, 120/2.8 & 200/4,
all in cases.  Just a little dusty, but nice.
Stuart told me that he wished he had time to go out shooing with
that 120/2.8.  Apparently one fine lens.

Collin

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RE: cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

> Frits,
>
> I would like to support the local shop here in Chicago where I
> have seen the MZ-S.
> I was interested to hear their price at $899...only about $100 over
> mail-order.  I was surprised as they are easily charging $100
> above mailorder
> on the ZX-5n or PZ-1p.  Does this mean that there are further
> price drops in
> the future of the MSS?
>
> Regards, Bob S.
Probably, but when? It might stay at this level for a while. Certainly if it
sells so good. I am really interested in the MZ-D, but not at $7000, so I
wonder where it really ends after a short while. Usually electronics drops
in price very fast, but as someone pointed out that might not be the case
for the CCD. One of the cost reductions in electronics comes from shrinking
the die size of chips, but you can't do that here, you want the full size
CCD. Time will tell.

Regards,
Frits

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RE: Lens Caps and Bags

[Amita Guha]

I  recently picked up a couple of little
neoprene pouches with drawstring cords
that you can attach to your belt or clip
onto a backpack. A few different companies
make them, but mine are from Zing. When I
went to a balloon festival recently I had
two lens pouches hanging from my belt, and
I switched between three lenses, making
sure to put the rear cap on each one when
I put it in the bag. (I gave up on the
front caps after a while because I had
UV filters on all the lenses.) It was a
little hairy trying to switch lenses in a
hurry and put the rear caps on and I
fumbled a lot, but I can't imagine an
easier way to do it because
the pouches were right at my waist.

When I was done with the shoot, the pouches
simply went into my regular backpack.

> I have a Domke F3 Bag and when i'm out shooting i sometimes need to change
lenses quickly and it would be advantages to not have to put the lense caps
back on the lenses when i put them in the bag. What everyones opinions on
this? Each lense has its own little padded divider in the bag, so they would
be knocking against each other.

Any comments appreciated, a few of them have UV filters on them, but not all
the time.

Regards,
Paul Jones


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RE: Lens Caps and Bags

[Len Paris]

Take the time to put the lens caps on. A good lens is 
worth a little extra care.
 
Len
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  Behalf Of Paul JonesSent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:42 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Lens Caps and 
  Bags
  Hi,
   
  I have a Domke F3 Bag and when i'm out shooting i 
  sometimes need to change lenses quickly and it would be advantages to not have 
  to put the lense caps back on the lenses when i put them in the bag. What 
  everyones opinions on this? Each lense has its own little padded divider in 
  the bag, so they would be knocking against each other.
   
  Any comments appreciated, a few of them have UV 
  filters on them, but not all the time.
   
  Regards,
  Paul Jones

Re: Old messages coming back again...

[Frank Theriault]

Ralf Stubner wrote:

> So it seems
> as if the ISP of one of our canadian subscribers has some problems.

Oh sure!  Blame it on Canada (apologies to South Park, the Movie - on second
thought, the people who made it should apologize).

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Re: Travel Frustration

[John Mustarde]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:49:35 -0400, you wrote:

>Just got back from a long trip in Asia, mostly rural China. Lugged my
>6x7 around with me an was able to shoot an amazing one (1) roll of film,
>10 frames. Not that there wasn't anything to take pictures of, quite the
>opposite, just that I was on business and didn't have the opportunity.
>This pisses me off in a major way. Anyone had similar experiences?
>Norm
>

A few years back, a friend was one of the first
tourists into China after they loosened their collars a
little. It was a two week trip, and quite an
opportunity for her. 

I was excited also - I wanted to see the photos when
she got back. She bought a new, decent P&S and a bunch
of film. So when she arrived home, we got together and
she showed me her photos - two whole rolls, about ten
different shots all told. Geez, it was all I could do
to smile and say "nice pitchers".


--
John Mustarde
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Re: about the FA* 250-600/5.6

[John Mustarde]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:26:36 -0500, you wrote:

>I have a question for those that own or have used this lens. I know that 
>this is a huge lens, but would it be possible to use this lens with a
>monopod? Or is a tripod necessary? The reason that I'm asking is that I
>can't imagine a much better zoom range for shooting long-range sports
>(ie-football, baseball, etc). Well, at least where there's no shortage of
>light. Thanks!
>
>Nick

I can comment on the 600/4 with a monopod, but I can't
comment on the 250-600, because I've never seen one or
handled one.

Everyone who shoots sports with big glass most often
uses a monopod. I'm not sure if they have a choice,
given the crowded nature of they areas in which they
are allowed to stand. The sports shooters I've seen use
Gitzo, lately carbon fiber I suppose. They connect the
lens directly to the monopod.

I use a very sturdy but inexpensive Bogen 3249B model,
which has four sections and collapses small enough to
fit in my airline carry-on bag. Rather than connectthe
600/f4 directly to the monopod, I put my Wimberly head
on the monopod and mount the lens on the Wimberley via
a Kirk quick-release. This adds a few inches of height,
and allows me to shoot upwards or downwards a lot
easier than just having the lens on the monopod.

So don't hesitate to think of shooting with big glass
on a monopod. People do it all the time. 

However, shutter speeds lower than 1/180 are likely to
be influenced by camera shake. A night major league
baseball game using ISO 800 film allows 1/180 shutter
speeds at f4. So before one buys a 250-600/f5.6 for
event shooting, they should make sure their film speed
and lighting will allow fast enough shutter speeds at
f5.6.
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Re: Lens Caps and Bags

[Alan Chan]

>I have a Domke F3 Bag and when i'm out shooting i sometimes need to change 
>lenses quickly and it would be advantages to not have to put the lense caps 
>back on the lenses when i put them in the bag. What everyones opinions on 
>this? Each lense has its own little padded divider in the bag, so they 
>would be knocking against each other.
>
>Any comments appreciated, a few of them have UV filters on them, but not 
>all the time.

I would use hoods without filters for protection in this case. However, I 
would not forget the rear caps in any case.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: MZ-S sales in UK & elsewhere

[Alan Chan]

>My Pentax rep told me it sold surprisingly well. However, they didn't 
>expect great sales to start with so

I believe it's because most Pentax users have been lusting for a well built 
AF body for more than 10 years. And at last...

regards,
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Re: Old messages coming back again...

[John F. DeLoach]

At 05:21 PM 08/17/2001 -0400, you wrote:


>Ralf Stubner wrote:
>
> > So it seems
> > as if the ISP of one of our canadian subscribers has some problems.
>
>Oh sure!  Blame it on Canada (apologies to South Park, the Movie - on second
>thought, the people who made it should apologize).
>
>-frank

I believe New Zealand Customs inspectors are behind this somehow!
jfd

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Sv: Re: MZ-S Bracketing

[arkibladt]

Thanks Mark
Very useful.
BR
Jens
> 
> Fra: Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Dato: 2001/08/17 Fri AM 03:50:39 CEST
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: MZ-S Bracketing
> 
> At 10:56 PM 8/15/01 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi all
> >I just read the Test of MZ-S in Amateur Photography (UK) july edition. The 
> >author said AB could only "reach" one stop to each side. Is that true? 
> >It's important to Print photographers that bracketing can be set to, say 
> >+1,+2,+3, right!
> >Regards
> >Jens
> 
> The exposure dial only shows one stop over and one stop under, and the 
> default setting is for three exposures bracketed one stop under exposed - 
> neutral - one stop over exposed.
> 
> However, you can opt via Pentax function 3 to select a 5 exposure 
> bracketing sequence - two stops under exposed through two stops 
> over.  Combined with exposure compensation you have a lot of flexibility.
> 
> - MCC
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Slik Universal 212 deluxe t-pod for sale

[Ann Sanfedele]

A few dings and one important missing part (that I
understand costs maybe
$10-15.)  The missing part? The quick release platform. 
Also known as the quickly lost platform.  I'm incapable of
holding onto them. 
If anyone would like this Tripod I'll take - um $40.00 plus
shipping. 
missing platform is only real flaw - the few scratches are
merely cosmetic. 
Shipping would be whatever shipping costs me would prefer to
sell to someone in USA 
cause it is easier to ship. 

annsan
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Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Bucky]

So I bought an MX from Kerrisdale Cameras here in Vancouver.  They are a
largish local chain that has a reasonable selection of used equipment.  I
paid a fairly hefty price for it that I would have considered reasonable if
it had been in the condition it looked upon first examination. All used
bodies come with a 30-day warranty.

I bought it on 4 August.  Upon getting it home, I found that the meter
worked only intermittently, that the infinity focus was gone (but only
slightly; some lenses that are able to focus at slightly past infinity did
not reveal the camera's problem), and the shutter button popped entirely out
of the camera and landed n the ground.  I was not happy; none of this had
revealed itself to me in the in-store test.

I took it back for servicing on the Monday following (the 6th). At the same
time, I looked for another body I liked and thought I'd exchange it, but
there was nothing I wanted.  I agreed to have them send it out for service.

Today, I went in to find out when my camera would be done, since Monday
would be the two-week milestone.  I asked a helpful sales associate to look
up where it had been shipped to, since Patrick, the service guy, had seemed
a bit elusive about where he would send the camera for service.  The helpful
sales guy looked in the book where they keep track of serviced cameras,
found my body, but could find no notation about where it was gone.

He sent me back to Patrick, the service guy.  Here is the conversation as it
went:

Me:  "Hi.  I have a black MX in for service.  I want to know where it's been
sent for repair."
Him:  "Oh, that camera is not at Pentax."
Me:  "OK.  Where is it."
Him:  "We have some other service center.  It's not at Pentax."
Me:  "Fine.  I'm asking you where it IS, not where it's NOT."
Him:  "It's not at Pentax and it's not at VanCam."
Me:  "WHERE HAS IT BEEN SENT?"
Him:  "It will be sent out Monday.  It hasn't been sent anywhere yet."

I asked for (and received) a full refund, although he certainly did not seem
to understand how utterly shoddy this kind of service is.

GRR.



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Beware of Auroras tonight (17-18. aug)

[Jostein Øksne]

Hi all PDML'ers in Northern America.
Just got in after two and a half hours of great aurora display.
At peak intensity it stretched across more than half the sky. It was
right above at some times.

If you have interest in such things and clear skies tonight, take a
look.
It may be worth it.

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Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Mark Roberts]

If you're still interested in an MX, I'm selling one of mine in order to raise
cash for an MZ-S. It's in beautiful condition and functioning *perfectly*.
Email me for more info if you like.

Mark

"Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>So I bought an MX from Kerrisdale Cameras here in Vancouver.  They are a
>largish local chain that has a reasonable selection of used equipment.  I
>paid a fairly hefty price for it that I would have considered reasonable if
>it had been in the condition it looked upon first examination. All used
>bodies come with a 30-day warranty.
>
>I bought it on 4 August.  Upon getting it home, I found that the meter
>worked only intermittently, that the infinity focus was gone (but only
>slightly; some lenses that are able to focus at slightly past infinity did
>not reveal the camera's problem), and the shutter button popped entirely out
>of the camera and landed n the ground.  I was not happy; none of this had
>revealed itself to me in the in-store test.
>
>I took it back for servicing on the Monday following (the 6th). At the same
>time, I looked for another body I liked and thought I'd exchange it, but
>there was nothing I wanted.  I agreed to have them send it out for service.
>
>Today, I went in to find out when my camera would be done, since Monday
>would be the two-week milestone.  I asked a helpful sales associate to look
>up where it had been shipped to, since Patrick, the service guy, had seemed
>a bit elusive about where he would send the camera for service.  The helpful
>sales guy looked in the book where they keep track of serviced cameras,
>found my body, but could find no notation about where it was gone.
>
>He sent me back to Patrick, the service guy.  Here is the conversation as it
>went:
>
>Me:  "Hi.  I have a black MX in for service.  I want to know where it's been
>sent for repair."
>Him:  "Oh, that camera is not at Pentax."
>Me:  "OK.  Where is it."
>Him:  "We have some other service center.  It's not at Pentax."
>Me:  "Fine.  I'm asking you where it IS, not where it's NOT."
>Him:  "It's not at Pentax and it's not at VanCam."
>Me:  "WHERE HAS IT BEEN SENT?"
>Him:  "It will be sent out Monday.  It hasn't been sent anywhere yet."
>
>I asked for (and received) a full refund, although he certainly did not seem
>to understand how utterly shoddy this kind of service is.
>
>GRR.
>
>
>
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Re[2]: Pictures are lame

[Rodger Whitlock]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 at 11:50:47 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Amy Hughes) wrote:

> Rodger Whitlock wrote:

> > I think a great part of this problem is precisely that...

I didn't write that.

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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Re: Dr. Seuss on Computers

[Gary L. Murphy]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:37:10 -0500, Robert Payne wrote:

>I know this is OT, ...
>NO KIDDING,  but spoken like a *TRUE*  Toy Computer Dude !

Ya better shut that stuff up or I'll jinks the toy computer that runs your mainframe! 




Later,
Gary


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Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Bucky]

Mark,

I may very well be interested. Please let me know the details.

Thanks for thinking of me.

Cheers,

Mike
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From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras


> If you're still interested in an MX, I'm selling one of mine in order to
raise
> cash for an MZ-S. It's in beautiful condition and functioning *perfectly*.
> Email me for more info if you like.
>
> Mark
>
> "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >So I bought an MX from Kerrisdale Cameras here in Vancouver.  They are a
> >largish local chain that has a reasonable selection of used equipment.  I
> >paid a fairly hefty price for it that I would have considered reasonable
if
> >it had been in the condition it looked upon first examination. All used
> >bodies come with a 30-day warranty.
> >
> >I bought it on 4 August.  Upon getting it home, I found that the meter
> >worked only intermittently, that the infinity focus was gone (but only
> >slightly; some lenses that are able to focus at slightly past infinity
did
> >not reveal the camera's problem), and the shutter button popped entirely
out
> >of the camera and landed n the ground.  I was not happy; none of this had
> >revealed itself to me in the in-store test.
> >
> >I took it back for servicing on the Monday following (the 6th). At the
same
> >time, I looked for another body I liked and thought I'd exchange it, but
> >there was nothing I wanted.  I agreed to have them send it out for
service.
> >
> >Today, I went in to find out when my camera would be done, since Monday
> >would be the two-week milestone.  I asked a helpful sales associate to
look
> >up where it had been shipped to, since Patrick, the service guy, had
seemed
> >a bit elusive about where he would send the camera for service.  The
helpful
> >sales guy looked in the book where they keep track of serviced cameras,
> >found my body, but could find no notation about where it was gone.
> >
> >He sent me back to Patrick, the service guy.  Here is the conversation as
it
> >went:
> >
> >Me:  "Hi.  I have a black MX in for service.  I want to know where it's
been
> >sent for repair."
> >Him:  "Oh, that camera is not at Pentax."
> >Me:  "OK.  Where is it."
> >Him:  "We have some other service center.  It's not at Pentax."
> >Me:  "Fine.  I'm asking you where it IS, not where it's NOT."
> >Him:  "It's not at Pentax and it's not at VanCam."
> >Me:  "WHERE HAS IT BEEN SENT?"
> >Him:  "It will be sent out Monday.  It hasn't been sent anywhere yet."
> >
> >I asked for (and received) a full refund, although he certainly did not
seem
> >to understand how utterly shoddy this kind of service is.
> >
> >GRR.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Bucky]

Apologies to the list.  That last message was  to go to Mark himself, not
every-bloody-one.

Cheers,

Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras


> If you're still interested in an MX, I'm selling one of mine in order to
raise
> cash for an MZ-S. It's in beautiful condition and functioning *perfectly*.
> Email me for more info if you like.
>
> Mark
>
> "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >So I bought an MX from Kerrisdale Cameras here in Vancouver.  They are a
> >largish local chain that has a reasonable selection of used equipment.  I
> >paid a fairly hefty price for it that I would have considered reasonable
if
> >it had been in the condition it looked upon first examination. All used
> >bodies come with a 30-day warranty.
> >
> >I bought it on 4 August.  Upon getting it home, I found that the meter
> >worked only intermittently, that the infinity focus was gone (but only
> >slightly; some lenses that are able to focus at slightly past infinity
did
> >not reveal the camera's problem), and the shutter button popped entirely
out
> >of the camera and landed n the ground.  I was not happy; none of this had
> >revealed itself to me in the in-store test.
> >
> >I took it back for servicing on the Monday following (the 6th). At the
same
> >time, I looked for another body I liked and thought I'd exchange it, but
> >there was nothing I wanted.  I agreed to have them send it out for
service.
> >
> >Today, I went in to find out when my camera would be done, since Monday
> >would be the two-week milestone.  I asked a helpful sales associate to
look
> >up where it had been shipped to, since Patrick, the service guy, had
seemed
> >a bit elusive about where he would send the camera for service.  The
helpful
> >sales guy looked in the book where they keep track of serviced cameras,
> >found my body, but could find no notation about where it was gone.
> >
> >He sent me back to Patrick, the service guy.  Here is the conversation as
it
> >went:
> >
> >Me:  "Hi.  I have a black MX in for service.  I want to know where it's
been
> >sent for repair."
> >Him:  "Oh, that camera is not at Pentax."
> >Me:  "OK.  Where is it."
> >Him:  "We have some other service center.  It's not at Pentax."
> >Me:  "Fine.  I'm asking you where it IS, not where it's NOT."
> >Him:  "It's not at Pentax and it's not at VanCam."
> >Me:  "WHERE HAS IT BEEN SENT?"
> >Him:  "It will be sent out Monday.  It hasn't been sent anywhere yet."
> >
> >I asked for (and received) a full refund, although he certainly did not
seem
> >to understand how utterly shoddy this kind of service is.
> >
> >GRR.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: OT: pics

[petit miam]

Oooh, you smooth operator. 

But seriously: Nice photos. I like the way the model
is beatifully isolated from the out-of-focus
background (Jody sighs wistfully as she remembers her
f1.4 lens).

I have to get into portraits. Just need to get that
LX. I already have the M100:f4 macro which doesn't
fit/work with any of my current cameras. People have
said it's a good portrait lens. Any day now, I can't
wait.

Also see below...

--- Timo Hartikainen wrote:
> I tried to photograph a model and here are the
> results:
> (I met her at my office and asked if she could be a
> model for me)
> 
> http://pp.hok.fi/hartikainen/tiia.htm
   
> This was my first time to try something like this..

That amazes me. These are impressive. Was it her first
time modelling? She looks like a professional, and
very comfortable in front of the camera.

Jody.


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Re: Bodies

[petit miam]

TOTAL ANSWERS: 401 members

CAMERAS
===
MANUAL FOCUS: 1101 (total)
   Screw Mount: 250
   Bayonette: 851
AUTOFOCUS: 431
MEDIUM FORMAT: 49
=
Total=1,581 which is roughly 3.943 cameras per member.
Please excuse any errors. I worked all this out
without a calculator - nothing like a good brain
work-out, eh.

Jody.



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Re: Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 111

[petit miam]

Well, we've certainly blown the LX'es out of the
water.

--- Steve Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Counting up all the Spotmatics=194. Quite a showing.


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Uh, I got a compooter problem here....

[Mike Johnston]

Can anybody help ol' Mikie with this? I need to "double the memory" of
Internet Explorer but, um...I dunno how. Can anybody help me with this?

--Old Dog, new Tricks (Mike J.)

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Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Frank Theriault]

It's nice to know that you're polite, though.


Bucky wrote:

> Apologies to the list.  That last message was  to go to Mark himself, not
> every-bloody-one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras
>
> > If you're still interested in an MX, I'm selling one of mine in order to
> raise
> > cash for an MZ-S. It's in beautiful condition and functioning *perfectly*.
> > Email me for more info if you like.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >So I bought an MX from Kerrisdale Cameras here in Vancouver.  They are a
> > >largish local chain that has a reasonable selection of used equipment.  I
> > >paid a fairly hefty price for it that I would have considered reasonable
> if
> > >it had been in the condition it looked upon first examination. All used
> > >bodies come with a 30-day warranty.
> > >
> > >I bought it on 4 August.  Upon getting it home, I found that the meter
> > >worked only intermittently, that the infinity focus was gone (but only
> > >slightly; some lenses that are able to focus at slightly past infinity
> did
> > >not reveal the camera's problem), and the shutter button popped entirely
> out
> > >of the camera and landed n the ground.  I was not happy; none of this had
> > >revealed itself to me in the in-store test.
> > >
> > >I took it back for servicing on the Monday following (the 6th). At the
> same
> > >time, I looked for another body I liked and thought I'd exchange it, but
> > >there was nothing I wanted.  I agreed to have them send it out for
> service.
> > >
> > >Today, I went in to find out when my camera would be done, since Monday
> > >would be the two-week milestone.  I asked a helpful sales associate to
> look
> > >up where it had been shipped to, since Patrick, the service guy, had
> seemed
> > >a bit elusive about where he would send the camera for service.  The
> helpful
> > >sales guy looked in the book where they keep track of serviced cameras,
> > >found my body, but could find no notation about where it was gone.
> > >
> > >He sent me back to Patrick, the service guy.  Here is the conversation as
> it
> > >went:
> > >
> > >Me:  "Hi.  I have a black MX in for service.  I want to know where it's
> been
> > >sent for repair."
> > >Him:  "Oh, that camera is not at Pentax."
> > >Me:  "OK.  Where is it."
> > >Him:  "We have some other service center.  It's not at Pentax."
> > >Me:  "Fine.  I'm asking you where it IS, not where it's NOT."
> > >Him:  "It's not at Pentax and it's not at VanCam."
> > >Me:  "WHERE HAS IT BEEN SENT?"
> > >Him:  "It will be sent out Monday.  It hasn't been sent anywhere yet."
> > >
> > >I asked for (and received) a full refund, although he certainly did not
> seem
> > >to understand how utterly shoddy this kind of service is.
> > >
> > >GRR.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))

[Mark Cassino]

At 04:00 PM 8/17/01 +0200, Pål wrote:
>They should rather paint them in color after the customers wish. Options 
>just like when buying a car. Alternatively, they could have had just a few 
>colors to choose from at extra cost; like military green, dark red, dark 
>blue, brown etc. I would like to have one in military green. Since they 
>are painting them by hand anyway, such a scheme should be easy to implant. 
>They could charge quite a lot for this and get away with it.

I took a good hard look at my Mz-S, put it down, looked again the next day.

Sorry, but I see absolutely no evidence that this camera is painted by hand.

Frankly, I don;t give a damn if it is painted by hand.  It could be painted 
by foot and I couldn't care less.

Personally, when I hear Canon and Nikon users rant about the great techno 
features of their cameras and how they need those things to get images, I 
think they are dweebs.  But hearing this nonsense about hand painted 
cameras, "dweeb" takes on new meaning.

If I want gimmicks, I'll buy a Canon and extoll in the rather useful 
gimmicks it offers.  Hand painted body is a pretty lame gimmick.

I don't want a hand painted body. I want one that has the paint baked on by 
an industrial process so it will last till I take it to my grave, which is 
what the Mz-S appears to be.  Put two Mz-S's side by side and I doubt if 
you'll see a difference.

If I want something that is hand painted and unique I'll buy a seashell 
with "Greetings from Rockaway" written on it.  If I want a camera that 
rocks, I'll buy an Mz-S.

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - -
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Lens Caps and Bags

[PAUL STENQUIST]

Paul P. Opined:

If you're making enough money on the shots that you would have missed by
stowing your gear more carefully (not a judgment call) then maybe you
don't need to
worry about caps and stuff like that.  

True. When I was doing a lot of race photography for magazines some
twenty-five years ago, I used to keep my lenses in cotton socks that I
would then stuff in the oversize pockets of my pants and jacket. I never
bought expensive lenses or cameras, because the quality different is
negligible for average shots that would be used as a 1/4 page or less.
My most used 35 mm lens was a Vivitar 200/3.5. It had a lot of cleaning
marks from my having wiped it with my T-shirt. But I bet I made 20 or 30
K with that $100 lens. And that was in 1975 dollars. When I wanted to
shoot some stuff for spreads or covers, I used my 6x6 TLR Mamiya or my
Speed Graphic 4x5. (I sometimes shot hand held with the 4x5, using the
Speed Graphics rangefinder and a strobe for fill and speed.) Lots of
fun. But the point is, I never had any really good equipment when I was
shooting to make money. Couldn't afford it, and wouldn't have wanted to
subject it to the kind of use I gave that stuff. Shoot away, and pack
your lenses wherever you have find a spot for them.
Paul
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Re: cheapest place to get FA 24-90

[Wendy Beard]

Foto Konijnenberg Fl. 1475
http://www.geengeld.nl

Kamera Express Fl. 1485
http://www.kamera-express.nl

I've used both stores mail order and been pleased with the goods and service.

Wendy


At 13:32 17-8-2001 -0400, you wrote:
>- -Original Message-
>From: Frank Wajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 17 August 2001 15:28
>To: pdml
>Subject: cheapest place to get FA 24-90
>
>
>Hi,
>
>what is the cheapest shop in The Netherlands where I can get the FA
>24-90?
>If Germany or UK is cheaper I don't mind buying there instead.
>
>
>Frank

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Re: Uh, I got a compooter problem here....

[Dan Scott]

>Can anybody help ol' Mikie with this? I need to "double the memory" of
>Internet Explorer but, um...I dunno how. Can anybody help me with this?
>
>--Old Dog, new Tricks (Mike J.)
>
Hi Mike,

With Explorer _not_ running, select its icon, hold down the command key and
the letter "i" (get info). In the window that pops up you will either see
two little boxes with min-max ram allocation or a drop down selector that
says "general information" (in which case, click on it and select
"memory"). Change the bottom box to reflect your new allocation.

Happy surfing,
Dan Scott
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Re: Lens Caps and Bags

[PAUL STENQUIST]

By the way, now that I'm strictly an enthusiastic amateur, I treat my
lenses as though they were gold. Full caps and always in the foam packed
protection of my Pelican cases. When you're a hobbyist, your equipment
and your pictures are the most important things. When you're working,
time and money are the most important things.
Paul S.
(Responding to his own message. HAR!)

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
> 
> Paul P. Opined:
> 
> If you're making enough money on the shots that you would have missed by
> stowing your gear more carefully (not a judgment call) then maybe you
> don't need to
> worry about caps and stuff like that.
> 
> True. When I was doing a lot of race photography for magazines some
> twenty-five years ago, I used to keep my lenses in cotton socks that I
> would then stuff in the oversize pockets of my pants and jacket. I never
> bought expensive lenses or cameras, because the quality different is
> negligible for average shots that would be used as a 1/4 page or less.
> My most used 35 mm lens was a Vivitar 200/3.5. It had a lot of cleaning
> marks from my having wiped it with my T-shirt. But I bet I made 20 or 30
> K with that $100 lens. And that was in 1975 dollars. When I wanted to
> shoot some stuff for spreads or covers, I used my 6x6 TLR Mamiya or my
> Speed Graphic 4x5. (I sometimes shot hand held with the 4x5, using the
> Speed Graphics rangefinder and a strobe for fill and speed.) Lots of
> fun. But the point is, I never had any really good equipment when I was
> shooting to make money. Couldn't afford it, and wouldn't have wanted to
> subject it to the kind of use I gave that stuff. Shoot away, and pack
> your lenses wherever you have find a spot for them.
> Paul
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Re: OT: pics

[David A. Mann]

Jody writes:

> I have to get into portraits. Just need to get that
> LX. I already have the M100:f4 macro which doesn't
> fit/work with any of my current cameras. People have
> said it's a good portrait lens. Any day now, I can't
> wait.

 I was under the impression that macro lenses were considered too sharp for 
portraits.

 Anyway f/4 isn't fast enough.  You need an A* 85/1.4 :)

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Re: Enabled

[David A. Mann]

Francis Tang writes:

> I've been toying with the idea of moving up the format ladder and/or
> trying shift lenses.  Have you looked at the shifting MF cameras?
> Cameras such as the Hasselblad 'Flex (or whatever) and the Silvestri
> cameras?  There are others but I can't seem to be able to find out
> much about them.

 I've seen a Silvestri and it was way too expensive to even think about (and that 
was second hand!).  I've not seen the Hasselblad one but I bet it'd cost more 
than a 4x5 rig.

 I seriously like the idea of a wood & brass 6x7 field camera where you can 
get all the tilts and shifts but without the hassle and expense of 4x5 sheet film, 
or the limited DOF of "normal" 6x7.  Like a baby version of the rosewood 
Wista 45DX I once saw for sale.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Re: Pentax Waist Level Finder FF-1

[David A. Mann]

Bob S. writes:

> I have used it for candid photos on business trips, when I did not want to 
> call attention my picture taking.  Everybody assumes that you must look THRU 
> the camera to aim and shoot.

 A waist-level finder can also be very useful when you have the camera set 
really low on a tripod.  You don't have to contort yourself to see through the 
finder :)

 It's also really good if the camera is facing towards the sun.  With the WL 
finder you're looking down so you don't get the sun in your eyes.

 A WL finder is the first thing I'd look for if I had an LX, and it will be the first 
accessory I buy when I get a 67II.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re: MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))

[David A. Mann]

William Kane writes:

> Just like the I-Pentax (I-mac) . .. . actually, I like the idea as long as the
> camera isn't a color such as those jelly i-mac colors.  I think I'm with Pal,
> make my MZ-S in military green!

 You could make interchangeable face-plates like cell phones.  Imagine your 
MZ-S in the colours of your favourite football team!

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Re: MZ-S sales in UK & elsewhere

[David A. Mann]

Pål Jensen writes:

> It seems that Pentax have hit the hard-core Pentax base with this one...

 Yeah it's on my list, after the 67II kit and the rest of the Limited lenses.  By 
the time I can afford it the Limited camera will be out and I'll buy that instead :)

Cheers,


- Dave

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RE: Perseid Meteor Shower

[Jody]

6 inches, of course. Which, incidentally, is the same
length as a piece of string.

--- Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it will probably be too cloudy in my area
> for me to see anything, but how long would I want
> to expose a shot for meteors?
> 
> --Amita



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Seeing Double

[Jody]

Just noticed I am getting every PDML email twice. I
know people have suggested reasons for this before,
but none of these apply, re servers, email programs,
etc. I am using Yahoo, through Netscape Communicator
4.72. The only thing I can think of is that they are
rebounding from a list members email. 

The interesting thing is that the two identical emails
are different sizes. One has "This email is from the
Pentax Discuss Mailing List" only once, and the
other has it twice. That is why I suspect it is
rebounding from someone's inbox. Although I wonder why
it doesn't just keep rebounding.

This is really filling up my mailbox in a big hurry. I
hope someone can help. Also can you tell me if anyone
is having the same problem (off-list please, I don't
want it twice).

Jody.

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OT Enabled with Epson 1640su p scanner but...

[Ann Sanfedele]

I uninstalled the vistascan stuff that came with the umax --
I installed the scanner software - though not all the
socalled BONUS stuff
and then I tried to install adobe photoshop and ran into a
wall.
I had adobe photodeluxe taht was installed with the umax and
it is still on my machine
and works but the twain stuff doesn't work with it.  I'm
confused and what is more important I have to get some pix
to a mag early in the week via my computer.  Help!
If anyone has a clue it would be great if you write me off
list and
let me call you on the phone - unless this is something
really simple I'm just not seeing and the light bulb will go
on when you write.

tanks,
annsan
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Re: OT Enabled with Epson 1640su p scanner NEVERMIND :)

[Ann Sanfedele]

I figured it out - nevermind - sorry - now I'm going to
sleep!

night all
a



Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> I uninstalled the vistascan stuff that came with the umax --
> I installed the scanner software - though not all the
> socalled BONUS stuff
> and then I tried to install adobe photoshop and ran into a
> wall.
> I had adobe photodeluxe taht was installed with the umax and
> it is still on my machine
> and works but the twain stuff doesn't work with it.  I'm
> confused and what is more important I have to get some pix
> to a mag early in the week via my computer.  Help!
> If anyone has a clue it would be great if you write me off
> list and
> let me call you on the phone - unless this is something
> really simple I'm just not seeing and the light bulb will go
> on when you write.
> 
> tanks,
> annsan
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