Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[Nenad Djurdjevic]

> Nenad Djurdjevic wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >  Instead of kind Texas Rangers we have lots of mean traffic police
> > that won't let you speed or drive in the middle of the road ;-)
>
Robert Harris wrote:

> You have roads?
>
> Bob
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Just one at the moment but we're very proud of it (the bit through town is
even sealed!) ;-)



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Re: Pic of last night's aurora.

[David A. Mann]

Jody writes:

> Now I really have to go to Christchurch.
> 
> --- Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jody, You shouldn't have to leave NZ
> > Aurora Australis (the Southern Lights), should be
> > visible from
> > the Southernmost parts of New Zealand.  Possibly
> > even Christchurch.

 Don't worry too much.  The aurora has only been visible here once in this 
solar cycle during the massive outbreak earlier this year (April?).  And you 
had to be away from the city lights to see it (and awake, much to my 
disappointment).  I have yet to see an aurora even though I'd dearly like to.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Re: OT: Metric What?

[David A. Mann]

Doug Franklin writes:

> I suspect that a big reason people don't want to change is that "small
> amount math" involves fewer fractions with imperial than metric system
> (SI) measurements.

 From that point of view, the beauty of the metric system is that it replaces 
fractions with the decimal point.

Cheers,


- Dave

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Re[2]: Fisheye Dilemma

[Adrian Sorescu]

Hello,

JT> For about $170 or less you can have the Russian Zenitar 16 mm. f2.8
JT> fisheye, a quite sharp lens.
I own a Zenitar 16/2.8 made in CCCP This sample is outstanding in
terms of sharpness(edges are fabulous)and contrast. The sharpest
fixed focal lense I own (S-Tak 28/3.5, S-M-C Tak 35/3.5, S-Tak 50/2,
Carl Zeiss Jena 35/2.8).
No doubt there are sample variations so ... test before buy

Flare is managed pretty well(remember there are rear filter attached
all the time - lens design; doesn't achieve infinity focus without a
rear filter)

"Awakening" posted on July 2001 PUG was shot with Zenitar 16/2.8
You can see how is behaves with sun in the frame.

hth,
adrian sorescu

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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[Rfsindg]

> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:22:29 -0400, Peter Alling wrote:
> 
> If the "north" is so good, why in the heck are the "northerners" flocking
> down here in droves?  :-) >>

I thought it was a plan.  We are dividing up the warm, sunny parts of the 
south and converting them into the North.  Florida is the first announced 
target.  Those from New York and New Jersey and the New England states are 
responsible for colonizing the eastern coast of Florida.  Those from the 
midwest (Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, & Minnesota) are 
responsible for colonizing the west coast of Florida.  The Canucks are really 
displaced northerners (except the ones who speak that Frenchie stuff) and are 
welcomed to help us on either coast.

Regards,  Bob S. 
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Re: Interesting question about digital: Infrared

[David A. Mann]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Someone on the rec.photo.digital newsgroup just posted asking if a digital
> camera can do infrared photography.

 I don't see why not.  Don't they use IR CCDs for some astrophotography?

 We had a play with a thermal imaging camera at work a couple of weeks ago. 
 Now those things are fun, not to mention useful.  The downside is that the 
model we hired did not give a realtime display on the LCD, and the resolution 
was pretty poor.

 What I'd like to see is a thermal imaging camera combined with a standard 
digital camera, so it takes two images which you can superimpose to find out a 
little more precisely what's hot and what's not.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Re: Sports photographer mentality?

[Rfsindg]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I really hope some day to be a kung-fu photographer who unerringly shoots 
 37 exposures per roll with 37 keepers, but for now am content to be a 
 grasshopper jumping from setting to setting.  >>

Mark,
Now that sure conjures up a mental image...
Bob S.
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Bob Blakely]

... also stone weight.

From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > >> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are
to
> > >> a Farthing?
> > >
> > >Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> > >furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
> >
> > A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I
believe
> > (it was before my time).
> >
>
> Nah, it was four farthings to a penny
>
> My father used to groan, to the tune of 'Rule Britannia':
>
> Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob,
> Three make eighteenpence and four two bob
>
> How's that for a totally logical system, and I'm not even going to mention
> florins, half-crowns, crowns, zaks, threepenny bits, quids and guineas, am
I?
> Nor even ponies, monkeys and tons.


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Re: OT: model pics - 2nd session

[Timo Hartikainen]

Albano asked:

>What equipment did you used?

Ricoh XR-X with Pentax A 100/4 mostly, for the model pics.

>As I've said in a previous post, the pics of the baby (your son?) are >very 
>good, and very sharp where they must be. Did you scanned the negs >or just 
>prints?

(yes it's my son.. 9 months old now)
I have scanned all the pics with a standard flatbed scanner from the prints. 
(HP3c)
Some slides too, with an adapter, but the quality is not very good with that 
setup.


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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[Gary L. Murphy]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:23:27 -0600, William Robb wrote:

>Were those TEXANS?? They sure looked like little bunny
>rabbits

See that just proves it. You've had your brain frozen! :-)




Later,
Gary


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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[graywolf]

That's just the southerners who came up north after WWII going home .
-graywolf


"Gary L. Murphy" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:22:29 -0400, Peter Alling wrote:
> 
> >Go to the Alamo count the number of people from Connecticut who fought there.
> >Then ask yourself where was Austin born.  (Hint Durham Connecticut).  If it
> >weren't for us northerners Texas would be a state in Mexico, (I wonder if that
> 
> Okay, ask yourself this. If the "north" is so good, why in the heck are the 
>"northerners" flocking  down here in
> droves?  :-)
> 
> BTW, I believe that the majority of the people who fought at the Alamo where from 
>Tennessee and Kentucky,
> which just happen to be sourthern states. :-)
> 
> Later,
> Gary
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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Harris" <
Subject: Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell


> "Gary L. Murphy" wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:22:29 -0400, Peter Alling wrote:
> >
> > If the "north" is so good, why in the heck are the
"northerners" flocking  down here in
> > droves?  :-)
>
> Same reason they go to zoos. See the animals. :)

Were those TEXANS?? They sure looked like little bunny
rabbits
HAR!!!
WW

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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[Gary L. Murphy]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:11:54 -0400, Robert Harris wrote:

>Same reason they go to zoos. See the animals. :)

Unlike a =visitor= to a zoo, these are staying!  Hence why we call them, "Damn 
Yankees". :-)




Later,
Gary


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Re: Now very OT Asahi vs Honeywell

[Robert Harris]

"Gary L. Murphy" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:22:29 -0400, Peter Alling wrote:
> 
> If the "north" is so good, why in the heck are the "northerners" flocking  down here 
>in
> droves?  :-)

Same reason they go to zoos. See the animals. :)

Bob
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Re: Night Vision Optics

[Peter Alling]

At least someone recognizes my wisdom. One down several million
to go.

At 04:02 AM 8/21/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Very wise you are to apologise in advance :)
>
>--- Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A while back on e-bay someone was selling a Zeneit,
> > (damn I can't
> > remember how to spell that damned Russian brand
> > name, hope that's right),
>
> > I apologize right now about the inability to spell
> > the brand name and any
> > or all
> > nationalities who might be offended because Zeniet
> > is really Ukrainian or
> > some such.
>
>
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[JeffW.]

The only funny accents I ever heard were from people who spent half the year
trying to keep from freezing to death. (which includes all those damnyankee
border states)
Yup.

JeffW.
Texas
> 
>>> 
>> As far as I can tell from "Walker Texas Ranger" Texas has some
> similarities
>> to Western Australia (where I live).
> 
> Yup, you both have funny accents
> HAR!!
> WW
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PUG Commentary: D. Glenn Arthur Jr.

[PAUL STENQUIST]

D. Glenn Arthur Jr., "Curry"
I find this photo interesting in that the light source is minimal and
unusual, but the overall result does not please me aesthetically. I know
that at least one other commentator has recognized considerable artistic
merit in the image, but I can't help but be distracted by an overall
softness and what appears to be some dirt on the negative. Again,
however, the photograph does demonstrate effective use of available
light and very little light at that. I might like it more if the subject
were somewhat less ordinary. 
Paul Stenquist
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[Gary L. Murphy]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:02:10 +0800, Nenad Djurdjevic wrote:

>Texas!).  Instead of kind Texas Rangers we have lots of mean traffic police
>that won't let you speed or drive in the middle of the road ;-)

Yeah, our Texas Rangers (The police, not the ballclub),  just shoot ya instead of 
making a big fuss over it. :-)




Later,
Gary


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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell. OT.

[Peter Alling]

It would depend on how it started.

At 07:54 AM 8/21/2001 -0700, Shel pondered:
>Aaron blabbered:
>
> > if you're going to have a flame war,
> > label it as such
>
>Question: Is a flame war OT?
>
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>" ? "
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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Peter Alling]

Actually The pound florin and shilling were the beginnings of a decimal
coinage.  It was completed with the replacement of the old penny with new 
pence.

Twenty shillings to the pound 10 Florins to the pound now each of those 
coins were
directly replaced with the 5 np and 10np coins respectively.  The Brits. 
decided to
go decimal almost 200 years ago.  They just did it very gradually.  (And in 
fits and
starts).


At 10:05 AM 8/22/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > >> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to
> > >> a Farthing?
> > >
> > >Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> > >furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
> >
> > A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I believe
> > (it was before my time).
> >
>
>Nah, it was four farthings to a penny
>
>My father used to groan, to the tune of 'Rule Britannia':
>
>Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob,
>Three make eighteenpence and four two bob
>
>How's that for a totally logical system, and I'm not even going to mention
>florins, half-crowns, crowns, zaks, threepenny bits, quids and guineas, am I?
>Nor even ponies, monkeys and tons.
>
>John Coyle
>(who has now had to work his mind around four different currency changes, two
>goes at metrication, and one at decimalization)
>Brisbane, Australia
>
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Peter Alling]

Farthing Forth of a penny.  (Before my time as well but look at the root word).

At 02:15 PM 8/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to
> >> a Farthing?
> >
> >Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> >furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
>
>A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I believe
>(it was before my time).
>
> >> Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to get my
> >> Whitworth* tools recalibrated.
> >
> >units(1) says 'conformability error', which isn't to surprising, as rod
> >is a linear and hogshead a volume measure.
>
>The real reason it isn't surprising is that I was being facetious :-P
>(I thought the "Angstroms per Farthing" conversion would have given it away,
>but none of the British contingent piped up quickly enough on that one.)
>
> >But there are about 533.4 hogsheads in a cubic rod. ;-)
>
>What we really need is a system of measurement that quantifies the units
>we already use: "gobs", "sh*tloads", "scads", "heaps", etc.
>
>--
>Mark Roberts
>www.robertstech.com
>
>
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Re: Help me

[William Robb]

This is as opposed to a frivolous store.
WW

- Original Message -
From: "Fernando Schifis"
Subject: Help me


Hi:
I´m looking for a serious store to buy a PZ-1p in Miami.
I don´t have a lot of time to buy it !!!
Please help me !!
Send me the adress out of the list !!!  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance !!




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PUG Commentary: John Coyle

[PAUL STENQUIST]

John Coyle, "Cranes"
I found this photo quite interesting both from an aesthetic and a
technical point of view. I like the composition, with the two cranes
rising against the sky, capturing the moon between them. The deep blue
of the sky and the near black of the cranes are visually compelling. The
depth of color was, of course, achieved by underexposing the sky and
cranes. It's an interesting choice that was quite successful here. It
is, in brief, a fine photograph that demonstrates the artistry that can
be achieved when one understands the nuances of exposure.
Paul Stenquist
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "Nenad Djurdjevic
Subject: Re: Asahi vs Honeywell


> >
> As far as I can tell from "Walker Texas Ranger" Texas has some
similarities
> to Western Australia (where I live).

Yup, you both have funny accents
HAR!!
WW

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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Peter Alling]

Did you ever read an essay by Poul Anderson using Old English and Anglo
Saxon derived terminology to describe quantum effects?

At 04:14 PM 8/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>I believe a Farthing is 2e+10 Nearthings.
>
>BTW, yes, I am new here.  I used to take a lot of pictures with a cheap 110
>camera when I was a pre-adolescent but have had very little to do with
>photography since then.  I picked up an SF-10 in June and intend to mostly
>lurk here and try to learn a thing or two.
>
>-Rich
>Worcester, MA (USA)
>
>
>Ralf Stubner wrote:
> >
> > Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> > furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Peter Alling]

It is and yes we would.

At 06:08 PM 8/21/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> > In fact, the metric system simply reflects a French attempt to dominate
> > the world by defining its measurements, a failed attempt. While much of
> > the world was sucked into the trap, Americans have resisted mightily,
>
>If metric system was something you can buy, and there was enough advertising,
>would Americans still resist ?  :-)
>
>ivan
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Peter Alling]

Hadn't you noticed but each named unit of measure for volume in the 
imperial system
is precisely twice or half as large as the next. (Ok there are exceptions),
In this respect the imperial system is binary.

At 09:44 AM 8/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>"David A. Mann" wrote:
> >
> > Robert Harris writes:
> >
> > > We had rather stick with the more natural measurement system. I am sure
> > > that some day the rest of the world comes to its senses and adopt it,
> > > though. :)
> >
> >  IMO, the metric system is more logical...
>
>Rubbish. As one distinguished Australian has noted:
>
>"The Imperial system of measurement is an evolved system, as against the
>metric system which can be best described as revolutionary. The Imperial
>units were derived from commonly experienced physical objects, such as
>the human foot and the length of an English King's arm. Appropriate
>subdivisions kept unit length and number within easy human range, making
>them so suitable for the measurement of such common objects. The metric
>units, however, are reductions of astronomical size quantities, using a
>constant subdivision factor of ten. The length of the metre, a dimension
>which underpins the whole metric system, was originally (and quite
>erroneously, as it turned out), calculated as a fraction of the Earth's
>diameter. Given their respective origins, it would be a very strange
>coincidence indeed if metric units were superior to Imperial ones for
>everyday domestic measurement applications." (From discussion at:
>http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s11563.htm)
>
>In fact, the metric system simply reflects a French attempt to dominate
>the world by defining its measurements, a failed attempt. While much of
>the world was sucked into the trap, Americans have resisted mightily,
>for good reasons, and will continue to do so. Another shrewd observer
>has pointed out:
>
>"We are of the firm belief that the metric system sucks.  It is a global
>conspiracy created to cause the downfall of all things that we know and
>love.  Upon careful examination it is clear that the metric system is at
>least indirectly responsible for most of the world's problems, including
>but not limited to: Government conspiracy, Microsoft Windows, Rap Music,
>Hondas and their drivers,
>Transistors..., Toxic waste, The Republicans, The Democrats..., Wrenches
>that dont fit, Starbucks coffee, Communism, Soccer, The Euro..." (and
>lots more) (See: http://metricsucks.com/ for more insights.)
>
>Bob Harris
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[Peter Alling]

I've been on those roads 1 1/2 lanes 70mph speed limits,
  (Thats' about 130kph for those who need to do the conversion).
Meeting engagements must be exciting!

At 11:16 AM 8/21/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>You don't perchance live in Western Australia?
>:) :)
>
>Nope, Texas (USA) work in Fort Worth and live about
>70 miles (don't speak kilometers) west of Fort Worth.
>
>Y Ha
>Robert
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell

[Nenad Djurdjevic]

> You don't perchance live in Western Australia?
> :) :)
>
> Nope, Texas (USA) work in Fort Worth and live about
> 70 miles (don't speak kilometers) west of Fort Worth.
>
> Y Ha
> Robert
>
As far as I can tell from "Walker Texas Ranger" Texas has some similarities
to Western Australia (where I live).  However, I read somewhere that WA is 7
times bigger than Texas (and you thought everything was bigger and better in
Texas!).  Instead of kind Texas Rangers we have lots of mean traffic police
that won't let you speed or drive in the middle of the road ;-)

Nenad

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Re: Cable release problem

[Bruce Dayton]

News to me.  Mine works flawlessly in that combination.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 6:14 PM
Subject: Cable release problem


> Have a strange problem with my cable release for the PZ1p. when you go
from
> horizontal to vertical, it just quits about half way, so you can't use the
> cable on verticals.
>  Thought it might be the cable, so I bought a new one. Same thing on the
new
> one. Works sometimes but not reliable enough for a wedding. Anyone else
> encountered the same problem? Using the two-second timer with slow shutter
> speeds is kind of a pain.
>  Casey
Szocinski
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Help me

[Fernando Schifis]

Hi:
I´m looking for a serious store to buy a PZ-1p in 
Miami.
I don´t have a lot of time to buy it 
!!!
Please help me !!
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Thanks in advance !!

Re: Fisheye Dilemma

[tom]

At 10:40 PM 8/21/01 +0100, you wrote:
>I am contemplating indulging myself in a fisheye lens.
>
>I have the choice between the 16mm f/2.8 A and the 17mm f/4 SMC.
>
>However, the 16mm A lens is going for almost twice the price of the 17mm.
>(GBP 375 vs GBP 200)
>
>Does anyone have any views on how the two lenses compare, and is the 16mm
>worth the extra?


I haven't compared them, but own the 16/2.8 and have tried the zoom.

The 16 is a scootch wider and fishier then the zoom. Yes, those are the 
technical terms. Obviously it's faster too, which makes focusing a bit 
easier. Then again, unless you use it very close like I do, you don't 
really need to do much focusing with a fisheye. Obviously it's faster then 
the 17 too.

The 16 is bigger. It's also got fewer elements, and possibly more modern 
coatings. It's amazingly flare-resistant considering what it is.

It's very sharp. Well built, too.

tv

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Cable release problem

[Macpaz]

Have a strange problem with my cable release for the PZ1p. when you go from 
horizontal to vertical, it just quits about half way, so you can't use the 
cable on verticals.
 Thought it might be the cable, so I bought a new one. Same thing on the new 
one. Works sometimes but not reliable enough for a wedding. Anyone else 
encountered the same problem? Using the two-second timer with slow shutter 
speeds is kind of a pain.
 Casey Szocinski
   
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16mm Zenitar (was Re: Fisheye Dilemma)

[Juan J. Buhler]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> For about $170 or less you can have the Russian Zenitar 16 mm. f2.8
> fisheye, a quite sharp lens. I bought mine for inexpensive fun, then
> found that I use it a lot and get fine pictures. I've posted a couple on
> previous months of the PUG.

I bought mine for $130 or so. Good lens, although I found that you can
overuse it, and it is hard to get pictures where the gimmick of the
wide angle is less important than the content.

I haven't used it much since I realized that I took too many pictures
with it in Italy (one of them of Gianfranco working on an icecream,
picture I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy if I posted here :-)  )

I do have a nice picture of Flavio showing off some freshly-cooked
pasta, which I took with this lens, though.

j

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August PUG assignment: Whitlock, Brendemuehl, Matyola.

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Hello everybody,
As usual, I'm late with the comments but, you know, it's summer
time...

" The Blue Hour " by  Rodger Whitlock
You said that, it's not a great photograph.
Even with the obvious limits due to the situation (the camera on
the roof of a car) I must say that there is a great fault in the
image: it is, how can I say, without subject. There is nothing
that draws the attention, nothing that is the "centre" of the
image. Too many things in the frame that are unimportant...
Try to leave out more from the frame next time.

" Players " by  Collin Brendemuehl 
Interesting the role played by the two candles. It's nice that
you chose not to follow a geometrical composition too still.
I don't know if it's my monitor, but the image looks too grainy.
Did you expose it @100 or more? I think that the impact could
improve if you printed (or at least showed) darker, leaving the
dark part in a nice black background.

" Roue de Paris " by  Dan Matyola
Nice shot. I find the roofs in the lower part a bit distracting.
I know that you stated you wanted the reflections on the car
roofs to be part of the image, but I think you could have done
better with a wide angle in this regard. Maybe a bit of cropping
could improve the image.

Gianfranco



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Re: Fisheye Dilemma

[Joseph Tainter]

For about $170 or less you can have the Russian Zenitar 16 mm. f2.8
fisheye, a quite sharp lens. I bought mine for inexpensive fun, then
found that I use it a lot and get fine pictures. I've posted a couple on
previous months of the PUG.

Joe
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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Joseph Tainter]

And my cars?  Those factory-supplied speedometers are coming out until I
can replace the faceplates with a scale calibrated in farthings per
fortnight.  
> 

> Bill Peifer
> Rochester, NY
> 
Bill, wouldn't that be furlongs per full moon?

Joe
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Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[Mark Roberts]

"Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>My guess is that flash compensation via the body was one of those things
>that had to go when the reduction in size was considered.  After all,
>there's only so much room inside the body.

I think that's unlikely as flash compensation is largely a software issue.

-- 
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www.robertstech.com
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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell.

[John Coyle]

On Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:56 PM, Tom Rittenhouse 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Nah, we think of 50mm as 2 inchs, but usually don't write it that way on the
> list because of the
> math impared foreigners here.  BTW, don't write back that you are not a
> foreigner because to can
> ask anyone on the streets here and they will tell you that anyone not from 
the
> US of A or Canada is
> a foreigner, and they aren't really sure those Ca-nuks aren't foreigners too.
> --Tom

Hey Tom, we're all foreigners everywhere else!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Mark Roberts]

Glad I missed all that. The change to decimal currency happened just as I was
starting to learn what money was all about. Then my parents whisked the family
off to the States.

Mark "How many Angstroms to a Farthing" Roberts

John Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to
>> >> a Farthing?
>> >
>> >Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
>> >furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
>>
>> A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I believe
>> (it was before my time).
>>
>
>Nah, it was four farthings to a penny
>
>My father used to groan, to the tune of 'Rule Britannia':
>
>Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob,
>Three make eighteenpence and four two bob
>
>How's that for a totally logical system, and I'm not even going to mention 
>florins, half-crowns, crowns, zaks, threepenny bits, quids and guineas, am I? 
>Nor even ponies, monkeys and tons.
>
>John Coyle
>(who has now had to work his mind around four different currency changes, two 
>goes at metrication, and one at decimalization)
>Brisbane, Australia

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Re: Sv: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[Bruce Dayton]

Certainly that is going to be what I do.  As soon as the new flash is
available, I'm getting one.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Sv: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)


> Probably not. Rather than turn back the features of a body to match old
flashes, it makes more business sense to update the flashes. Customers then
buy the new flashes for the exposure compensation/wireless TTL/etc, and
there we go.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> At 10:00 PM +02008/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote, or at least typed:
> >Hi all
> >I guess this is one of the things Asahi has to change when making the
MZ-Sn: Flash compensation chosen from the camera body!?
> >Jens, Denmark (pt. Ireland)
> --
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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[John Coyle]

On Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> >> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to
> >> a Farthing?
> >
> >Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> >furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
>
> A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I believe
> (it was before my time).
>

Nah, it was four farthings to a penny

My father used to groan, to the tune of 'Rule Britannia':

Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob,
Three make eighteenpence and four two bob

How's that for a totally logical system, and I'm not even going to mention 
florins, half-crowns, crowns, zaks, threepenny bits, quids and guineas, am I? 
Nor even ponies, monkeys and tons.

John Coyle
(who has now had to work his mind around four different currency changes, two 
goes at metrication, and one at decimalization)
Brisbane, Australia


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Re: Super Program help

[Alan Chan]

>After a closer look of  the camera, I noticed that one of the
>ball contacts on the lens mount area is flat and not a *ball*.
>Is this normal ?

Yes.

>The camera seems to meter sometimes and then sometimes
>it doesn't. Acts like no lens is attached, but when I remove
>and then re-attach the lens several times, then it starts working
>again. Intermittant problems are a real headache :(

You should clean both the camera mount and the lens mount as clean as you 
could. This usually solve the problem. If not, the contacts underneath the 
camera mount (not lens mount) have become too dirty to be reliable. Time to 
have it serviced.

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Pentax Auto-110 Filters

[rob]

Hi Gang,


Can some one tell me if the Pentax filters to go with the Auto-110
system are SMC ?




Thanks In advance 

Rob
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Re: Screw mount lenses: are they worth?

[Todd Stanley]

If you are refering to Pentax Takumars, those lenses are some of the finest
lenses ever made, and optically still awesome performers by today's
standards.  Many of the SMC Takumars are optically identical to lenses in
the K series like the 35mm F3.5 and 85mm F1.8.  They are worth it if you
are willing to stop them down and focus them manually.  If you are refering
to 3rd party lenses, like any third party lenses some are good, most are
ok, and some are just plain junk.  Be sure to avoid any "auto" screw mount
3rd party lens that lacks a manual stop down switch, because then you will
have to shoot them wide open with the adaptor.  All Pentax screw mount
lenses with the auto diaphrams have the manual stop down switch.  

Todd

At 10:55 PM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I've seen that screwmount lenses sometimes have unbelievably low prices on
>eBay. I don't have any and I don't even have an adaptor, but: are there any
>screwmount lenses worth a few bucks for occasional shooting? (My camera is a
>ZX-5n, and I know about the metering thing with m42 lenses.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Hernan Mouro
>http://seiscuerdas.com/mouro
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Re: the great ZX-5n focusing screen hunt!

[krytu]

Congratulations!
I always believe Pentax gear is much more user friendly than Pentax Tech.
I`d like to know how did you take out the original screen. I tried to do 
it with a small screwdriver but couldn`t open a frame of the screen.
Kryt


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RE: Screw mount lenses: are they worth?

[Paul M. Provencher]

The screwmount lenses are all I use.  Well almost.  I have a normal, K-mount
lens, a 135mm f/2.8, 24mm, and 85mm f/2.2 Soft Focus, all for the ME Super.
But mainly I shoot with the SMC Takumar M42 mount lenses on one of several
Spotmatic-family cameras.

For use with K-mount cameras they are not convenient but when used properly
will give superb results.  If you are looking for fast operation with
K-Mount, forget it.  If you are taking your time you might be happy with
some of the relative bargains to be had.  Image quality is hardly an issue
as most folks consider most SMC Takumar screw-mount lenses to be as good as
any you can buy.  Of course there ARE ongoing debates about a few of the
more exotic ones (20mm)...

They have a great resale value so it's pretty safe to try them and resell if
you find it does not work for you.

ppro
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hernan Mouro
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Screw mount lenses: are they worth?
>
>
>
> I've seen that screwmount lenses sometimes have unbelievably low prices on
> eBay. I don't have any and I don't even have an adaptor, but: are
> there any
> screwmount lenses worth a few bucks for occasional shooting? (My
> camera is a
> ZX-5n, and I know about the metering thing with m42 lenses.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> 
> Hernan Mouro
> http://seiscuerdas.com/mouro
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OT: More Units

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:13:34 -0500, Paris, Leonard wrote:

> I thought farthings were a monetary unit.  Are you sure you don't mean
> "furlong"?
> Furlongs per fortnight would be a measure of speed.

In my first high school physics class they made us do a ton of unit
conversions ... one of my favorites was the speed of light in furlongs
per fortnight (about 3 x 10^10 furlongs per fortnight).

TTYL, DougF

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RE: ZX-5 vs MZ-S use this past weekend.

[Ed Mathews]

I've tried that, and it helps, but still it's a problem.  In bright sun,
I actually end up shielding my right eye and glasses with most of my
hand, leaving just my pinky to press the shutter release.  Sometimes I
feel like the only good solution for me would be a black cloth, like a
view camera.  A bit inconvenient for 35mm.

Thanks,
Ed


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of dick graham
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: ZX-5 vs MZ-S use this past weekend.
> 
> 
> I have found that moving my right thumb up on the right side 
> of the eye cup 
> of the viewfinder I have solved the problem of back lit glare in the 
> viewfinder.
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:29 PM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Yes, a major complaint of mine.  Dim LEDs, bad placement, 
> and glare on 
> >the eyepiece.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ed
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> Matamoros, Cesar 
> > > A.
> >
> >Snip.
> >   At first when I
> > > switched to it (ZX5) I was complaining about not being 
> able to read 
> > > the viewfinder information.
> >Snip.
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Re: Sv: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[Doug Brewer]

Probably not. Rather than turn back the features of a body to match old flashes, it 
makes more business sense to update the flashes. Customers then buy the new flashes 
for the exposure compensation/wireless TTL/etc, and there we go.

Doug



At 10:00 PM +02008/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote, or at least typed:
>Hi all
>I guess this is one of the things Asahi has to change when making the MZ-Sn: Flash 
>compensation chosen from the camera body!?
>Jens, Denmark (pt. Ireland)
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Ashwood Lake Photography
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Re: Metric What?

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:29:21 -0400, Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

> Pint! Two pints equal a quart. Four quarts equal a gallon. Now quick
> how many ounces in a gallon?

128 ... or 10 2/3 12-oz cans (of beer, of course) ...



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RE: ZX-5 vs MZ-S use this past weekend.

[Ed Mathews]

Yes, a major complaint of mine.  Dim LEDs, bad placement, and glare on
the eyepiece.

Thanks,
Ed


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> Matamoros, Cesar A.

Snip.
  At first when I 
> switched to it (ZX5) I was complaining about not being able to read 
> the viewfinder information.  
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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Richard Klein]

I believe a Farthing is 2e+10 Nearthings.

BTW, yes, I am new here.  I used to take a lot of pictures with a cheap 110
camera when I was a pre-adolescent but have had very little to do with
photography since then.  I picked up an SF-10 in June and intend to mostly
lurk here and try to learn a thing or two.

   -Rich
   Worcester, MA (USA)


Ralf Stubner wrote:
> 
> Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
> furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
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Sv: Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[arkibladt]

Hello Paul
How do you do manual flash comp. from the body on the MZ-S?
Jens
> 
> Fra: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Dato: 2001/08/21 Tue PM 06:06:26 CEST
> Til: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Emne: Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)
> 
> Artur wrote:
> >Since I
> > have Sunpack MZ440AF, my natural choice was AF500FTZ, because of it's
> > bounce&swivel ability. And then ... it appeared to be incompatibile with the
> > MZ-S.
> 
> 
> The AF 500FTZ is fully compatible with the MZ-S.
> 
> 
> 
> > So my dilemma is: does it make any sense to put money into the MZ-S +
> > AF360FGZ? What if the new flash isn't fully compatibile with older MZ
> > bodies? 
> 
> 
> I expect the 360 FGZ to be fully compatible with older MZ bodies. 
> 
> However, to access the advanced flash capabilities of the MZ-S you need the new 
>flash. 
> The "drawback" with the MZ-S is that it has no flash compensation from the body. 
>However, its quicker to do manual flash compensation on the MZ-S than automatic 
>compensation on the Z-1p.
> 
> 
> Pål
> 
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RE: Sports photographer mentality?

[Matamoros, Cesar A.]

When I say burning film I was thinking along the lines of taking so
many shots that were in sequence.  I have burned film in terms of many
shots, but they have been different situations shot.  I was not trying to
infer qualifications, or skills (except for the backlit swim start which
made me want to look at the photos), but more along the lines of asking if
this was the norm in his realm.

As for National Geographic photographers, for an assignment that
they will not have access to the place again, are they shooting by mashing
on the shutter release button and letting the motor drive run, or are they
taking many different shots of all different subjects and scenes for the
editor to make the choice?

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida


> -Original Message-
> From: dick graham [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 3:55 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Sports photographer mentality?
> 
> Burning film is not an indication of his photog qualifications or lack 
> thereof.  Most of us are aware that some of the finest photographers on 
> this planet burn a lot of film on assignment.  National Geographic 
> photographers are noted for taking hundreds-thousands of frames for a 6-10
> 
> page layout.
> 
> DG
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:24 PM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > I usually take photographs for a local triathlon.  I tend to
> take
> >pictures showing crowds, advertising, and the like.  This year, due to
> >nepotism, I was ´relieved´ of my duties.
> >
> > I asked for and received a contact sheet of the photos he took.
> I
> >believe him to be a sports photographer due to things mentioned to me, I
> was
> >never introduced to him.   The main reason I asked for the photos was
> >because during the swim start he positioned himself looking into the sun
> >while all the rest of the photographers had the sun somewhat behind us.
> I
> >wanted to see the outcome of these shots.  They were not in the bunch I
> saw.
> >
> > Anyhow, the one thing that I noticed - as did the squadron
> >photographer I showed them to and two non-photographers, was that the
> >photographer was burning film.  It amazed me that he took four to six
> >consecutive shots (mash down the shutter release button) of people
> standing
> >over timing chips, inspecting their bicycle, making a transaction in the
> >sports expo.  On the other hand, I would see an interesting shot in my
> mind
> >and then take one maybe two shots when I thought the moment to be right.
> >
> > Is his style attributable to a sports photography mindset
> perhaps?
> >Not being in the profession, nor having talked to many who are I figured
> I
> >would tap the vast knowledge of the list.
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> >
> > César Matamoros II
> > Panama City, Florida
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RE: Shooting IR with my MX

[Jos van der Hijden]

Dear Bird,

The MX is almost ideal for infra red shooting.

I have a ME-super, a PZ-1, a MZ50 and a MX. I always use the MX for
infrared.
I prefer the real thing: Kodak Highspeed Infrared.
This film has to be stored below 13 Celcius. In winter time this is
fulfilled by storing the camera + film in my garage (with heating off) or in
my car. In summertime I keep it in the fridge. The MX, being a mechanical
camera, is said to operate down to 20 degrees below zero, so I keep the
camera loaded with film in the fridge and take it out in a coolbox for
shooting and put it back in the fridge after shooting. In this way I
sometimes take a few months to finish a film.
I use a normal red filter so I can focus with the filter on the lens. I use
TTL metering with the filter on the lens and ISO setting at 250 ASA. I
bracket 3 frames per picture, one shot according the meter indication and
one stop more and one stop less. If, based on experience, I expect that
there is more than normal IR I shift the hole thing by one stop. If I think
that I am making the nicest picture ever: I bracket 5 frames to be sure!

I hope this is of help to you.
Best regards, Jos from Holland


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Sv: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[arkibladt]

Hi all
I guess this is one of the things Asahi has to change when making the MZ-Sn: Flash 
compensation chosen from the camera body!?
Jens, Denmark (pt. Ireland)
> 
> Fra: Chee Seang Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Dato: 2001/08/21 Tue PM 05:02:52 CEST
> Til: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Emne: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)
> 
> perhaps some clarification is required here...so FTZ500 is COMPATIBLE with
> MZ-S afterall? 
> 
> Thanks,
> CS
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Bruce Dayton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Monday, August 20, 2001 7:07 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)
> > 
> > Perhaps you misunderstood me.  Both the FTZ 500 and the 280T work just
> > fine
> > with the MZ-S.  The problem is that I want to dial compensation on only
> > the
> > flash sensor and stay in program mode.  The MZ-S depends on the flash to
> > do
> > this while the PZ-1p has it built in to work with any TTL flash.  Because
> > I
> > don't have the new flash, the only way to get that kind of compensation is
> > to use the PZ-1p.
> > 
> > Bruce Dayton
> > Sacramento, CA
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Artur Ledóchowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:25 PM
> > Subject: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience
> > >
> > >
> > > | I can first say that without the new flash, I had to have the PZ-1p
> > for
> > > fill
> > > | flash/flash compensation.
> > >
> > > So here's the problem recently discussed - incompatibility between MZ-S
> > and
> > > Pentax flashes.
> > > Being the MZ-7 user for a while (and occasionally using some other stuff
> > > like MZ-50, MZ-5 or Smiena:)) I've decided to move to the higher class.
> > I
> > > like my MZ-7 but it lacks a spot meter, which has become a real pain in
> > the
> > > butt for me (and having autobracketing, user programs and faster shutter
> > > speed would be nice, too:)) So at first I decided to buy either MZ-3 or
> > Z-1p
> > > (more likely). And then came the MZ-S...
> > > My next option was: either Z-1p or MZ-S. But what about the flash? Since
> > I
> > > have Sunpack MZ440AF, my natural choice was AF500FTZ, because of it's
> > > bounce&swivel ability. And then ... it appeared to be incompatibile with
> > the
> > > MZ-S.
> > > So my dilemma is: does it make any sense to put money into the MZ-S +
> > > AF360FGZ? What if the new flash isn't fully compatibile with older MZ
> > > bodies? Furthermore, since MZ-S isn't available in Poland yet, perhaps
> > the
> > > better way would be to buy the Z-1p + AF500FTZ and have no headache
> > caused
> > > by problems with cooperation of my MZ-7 and the flash?
> > > And my final thought and dilemma: I find Pentax to act a bit unfairly,
> > > especially towards those users, who have already put a lot of money in
> > the
> > > MZ or Z bodies and flashes like AF500FTZ. Perhaps the MZ-S should have
> > > started a new body series (a pro-like perhaps), with the AF360FGZ being
> > the
> > > first flash fully dedicated to it...
> > > Just my two cents...
> > > Greetz
> > > Artur
> > >
> > >
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Re[2]: Metric What?

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

> We don't hold the record for stupid measurements however. How many shillings in a 
>quid? I don't know
> either. But I do know that if there is anything you should be able to figure in your 
>head it is
> money. We were the first country in the world to use a decimal based money system.

12d in a shilling, 20 shillings in a pound (quid).

Autobiographical morality tale:

When I were nowt but a lad...

My first 2 years of school were in Singapore in the early/mid 60s,
where the currency was decimal ($s and cents), so my first experiences
of money were getting a 5c piece to get a bottle of Coke out of the
big red fridges they used to have. Very Norman Rockwell.

Later we lived in Gibraltar where they used £sd, and I went to a
Christian Brothers Preparatory School. The Christian Brothers were
evil bastards who made Torquemada look like the Buddha of Compassion.
They used to punish us regularly with a leather strap which had a
flexible metal strip running down the middle. Our Maths teacher was a
blue-chinned monster called Brother Kelly. His strap had part of the
metal strip sticking through the very well-worn leather. I was in a class
of about 20 boys and girls. One day he asked the class to tell him how
many pennies there were in 2/6d (2 shillings and 6 pence). He went round
the class, one by one, asking each of us in turn. Nobody got it right
(mostly because we were so frightened of getting anything wrong that
our brains frize). The consensus of opinion was that the answer was
26. It is, of course, 30. So Brother Kelly lined us all up in a row
and beat every single one of with his strap.

Cut to a few years later. I'm at a boarding school in England, and I'm
about 11 or 12 years old, with a deep hatred and phobia about arithmetic
of all forms. England still uses £sd - no decimal currency yet. I am
consistently bottom of the maths class, in every lesson, test or exam. So
one day the maths teacher teaches us about decimals, although not in the
context of currency. Just presents them. Here they are, without telling
anybody what they're used for. Later he gives us a test.

I'm used to decimals from living in Singapore, and I get 100%. I'm top
of the class. A miracle.

An impossible miracle. I get accused of cheating and nobody accepts my
explanation.

Sometimes you just can't win.

---

 Bob  

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Il faut être toujours botté et prêt à partir.

One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave.

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Re: Sports photographer mentality?

[dick graham]

Burning film is not an indication of his photog qualifications or lack 
thereof.  Most of us are aware that some of the finest photographers on 
this planet burn a lot of film on assignment.  National Geographic 
photographers are noted for taking hundreds-thousands of frames for a 6-10 
page layout.

DG



At 03:24 PM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote:
> I usually take photographs for a local triathlon.  I tend to take
>pictures showing crowds, advertising, and the like.  This year, due to
>nepotism, I was ´relieved´ of my duties.
>
> I asked for and received a contact sheet of the photos he took.  I
>believe him to be a sports photographer due to things mentioned to me, I was
>never introduced to him.   The main reason I asked for the photos was
>because during the swim start he positioned himself looking into the sun
>while all the rest of the photographers had the sun somewhat behind us.  I
>wanted to see the outcome of these shots.  They were not in the bunch I saw.
>
> Anyhow, the one thing that I noticed - as did the squadron
>photographer I showed them to and two non-photographers, was that the
>photographer was burning film.  It amazed me that he took four to six
>consecutive shots (mash down the shutter release button) of people standing
>over timing chips, inspecting their bicycle, making a transaction in the
>sports expo.  On the other hand, I would see an interesting shot in my mind
>and then take one maybe two shots when I thought the moment to be right.
>
> Is his style attributable to a sports photography mindset perhaps?
>Not being in the profession, nor having talked to many who are I figured I
>would tap the vast knowledge of the list.
>
> Thank you for your time,
>
> César Matamoros II
> Panama City, Florida
>
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Re: What ever happened to... (and some other questions)

[george de fockert]

- Original Message -
From: "John A. Hufnagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 4:57 AM
Subject: What ever happened to... (and some other questions)


> ... The Asahi Optical Company symbol that was on the pentaprism of
> Pentax cameras? My K-1000 has it, my Spotmatic SPII has it, but my ZX-5n
> doesn't.  Also, it only says 'Pentax', not 'Asahi Pentax'.

The MX and ME are the last ones with the logo.
These are also the last ones with a metal cap (except the LX)

> Were there any Spotmatic SPII's shipped with the split-image range
> finder screen vs. the standard microprism screen?

Split image screens could be installed at the factory/repair shop as an
option.
I have a SPF with a non standard split image.

>
> Finally... Anyone got a source for repair manuals for the SMC Takumar
> 1:1.4/50 lens?  The distance scale has come unglued and doesn't move
> when the lens focuses, and the front mount for filters has had 2 of the
> 3 mounting screws work their way completely off and disappear, with the
> 3rd getting ready to fall out

If you need a manual, you are probably not the right guy, and lacking the
proper tools
to do lensrepairs.
Or you should learn it on some cheap lenses first.
This lens is easy to repair, but you need some experience and the proper
tools.

George de Fockert




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Sports photographer mentality?

[Matamoros, Cesar A.]

I usually take photographs for a local triathlon.  I tend to take
pictures showing crowds, advertising, and the like.  This year, due to
nepotism, I was ´relieved´ of my duties.

I asked for and received a contact sheet of the photos he took.  I
believe him to be a sports photographer due to things mentioned to me, I was
never introduced to him.   The main reason I asked for the photos was
because during the swim start he positioned himself looking into the sun
while all the rest of the photographers had the sun somewhat behind us.  I
wanted to see the outcome of these shots.  They were not in the bunch I saw.

Anyhow, the one thing that I noticed - as did the squadron
photographer I showed them to and two non-photographers, was that the
photographer was burning film.  It amazed me that he took four to six
consecutive shots (mash down the shutter release button) of people standing
over timing chips, inspecting their bicycle, making a transaction in the
sports expo.  On the other hand, I would see an interesting shot in my mind
and then take one maybe two shots when I thought the moment to be right.

Is his style attributable to a sports photography mindset perhaps?
Not being in the profession, nor having talked to many who are I figured I
would tap the vast knowledge of the list.

Thank you for your time,

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida

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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Bob Blakely]

Approximately 2 feet per hour, slower than a snails pace, approximate speed of the 
minute
hand on a grandfather clock, or pace of morning traffic on Interstate 405 in LA.

Regards,
Bob...
---
"In the carboniferous epoch
we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling

- Original Message -
From: "Paris, Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.


> I thought farthings were a monetary unit.  Are you sure you don't mean
> "furlong"?
> Furlongs per fortnight would be a measure of speed.


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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Robert Harris]

"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:

> You guys crack me up.  Keep smilin'!

Wait until Friday, when we can stop being serious.

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Re[2]: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

> Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.

1/4 of a penny. Had a picture of a wren on one side. When my mother was a
young girl her mother would occasionally have a farthing to spare,
which she would give to her 5 children. They would rush off down
to the shop and buy one stick of liquorice to share between the 5 of
them.

Luxury!

---

 Bob  

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Il faut être toujours botté et prêt à partir.

One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave.

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RE: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Paris, Leonard]

I thought farthings were a monetary unit.  Are you sure you don't mean
"furlong"?
Furlongs per fortnight would be a measure of speed.

Len
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:57 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.
> 
> 
> >> You've inspired me! ...  And my cars?  Those factory-supplied 
> >> speedometers are coming out until I can replace the faceplates 
> >> with a scale calibrated in farthings per fortnight.  
> >
> >Farthings? Sure you wouldn't be happier with Angstroms?
> >
> 
> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms 
> there are to a
> Farthing? 
> 
> Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to 
> get my Whitworth*
> tools recalibrated.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> www.robertstech.com
> 
> * Old British Motorcycle enthusiasts will understand.
>  (And, yes, the phrase "Old British Motorcycle enthusiasts" 
> can be interpreted
> several ways, but they all apply.)
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> www.robertstech.com
> 
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New Flash AF 360 FGZ

[dick graham]

I thought I had read some where that the new flash for the MZ-S does not 
have swivel capability, I hope I'm wrong.  Any one know for sure?

DG

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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Robert Harris]

Ivan Prenosil wrote:
> 
> > In fact, the metric system simply reflects a French attempt to dominate
> > the world by defining its measurements, a failed attempt. While much of
> > the world was sucked into the trap, Americans have resisted mightily,
> 
> If metric system was something you can buy, and there was enough advertising,
> would Americans still resist ?  :-)

Absolutely. We have better advertising than anyone in the world, and it
would support our system. :)

Bob Harris
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Re: OT: model pics - 2nd session

[Albano_Garcia]

Nice pics, and the model is very cute. What equipment did you used?
As I've said in a previous post, the pics of the baby (your son?) are very
very good, and very sharp where they must be. Did you scanned the negs or
just prints?
Regards

Albano


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FW: Bad Service Report - Kerrisdale Cameras

[Cameron R. Hood]

Patrick is my salesman, too, and he has been very helpful to me over the
years. I think you'll find he sometimes has a bit of problems with the
language, but does not purposefully go out to deceive. He always phones me
up when there is a good deal in the store that I might be interested in (at
my request), and has been courteous, fair, and very efficient in all my
transactions with him. I think you may have caught him on a bad day, or
perhaps he was told not to say where it was being serviced. Pentax Vancouver
is not the fastest place to deal with (quite the opposite), so perhaps they
were looking elsewhere. Also, summer time is the busiest time of the year
for repairs, because all the weekend warriors are getting out their cameras
that they haven't used for ten years, dropping them in the pool, etc.

It's like buying a car; there's really no point in complaining about
service to the salesman on the showroom floor. They have an entirely
different set of criteria to deal with. I'm not trying to go to bat here for
all unscrupulous salespeople around the world, but Patrick is not one of
them. He is a good guy, I have had no problems in the 5 years I have dealt
with him.

Sincerely,
Cameron Hood

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August PUG - Larson, Cohen.

[Lasse Karlsson]

Sorry for being so late in commenting. Busy and summer time..

I was also asked to comment on Dave Brook's picture. However I can't find any picture 
by him in the August gallery. Has there been some mix up?

I happen to be somewhat critical in today's comments. Please remember that I am only 
reporting on my way of looking at the pictures, there is no "truth" in there.

I also want to point out that, although I normally get by fairly well in speaking 
English, this is definitely a situation where my
shortcomings at times are frustrating. (I am sure that many other non-English speakers 
feel the same way). I often have to resort to speaking a simplified language than I 
would in using my own language. Please bear this in mind, in case I don't express 
myself very well.

"Harbor Lights" by  Steve Larson

Although the scenery is nice I have to be somewhat critical here. To me there is a 
lack of "definition"in various respects.
It seems that focus is on the boat(?) to the left and that the wide aperture doesn't 
fully reach the far away harbor. (Or maybe a slightly unsteady hand has had a greater 
effect on the far away objects.)
The points of lights in the harbor get burned out and "muddy"(?). (I ask myself 
whether this may be a quality issue with the Vivitar lens at wide open. It would be 
very interesting to see the same shot taken with an SMC lens.)
The interesting part to me is that particular light which dissolves into the dark sky, 
particularly where the many masts add a special graphical effect, (where critical 
focussing may not be of such a great impåortance) and I would have liked to see a 
tighter crop in order to zoom in on this part. (However the bright, burned out spots 
of lights may pose a problem here.) 
I am also ambivalent concerning the completely dark area in the foreground. Maybe a 
crop into a more panoramic format would have helped the eye in perceiving, for 
instance, the contrast between the boat to the left and the further away harbor.
I think I would also have cropped at least an inch to the right.
Anyway, despite my critical words on some aspects it is still a nice scenery that you 
have captured. 


"Woman at 400 to 700 nm" by  John Cohen.

Hm. It seems I am in a critical mood today.
I think you should work more with your "subject". She  is beautiful.
However, this picture seems to fall between two chairs, so to speak. I am left 
wondering about about the purpose of the picture.

She is not really being portrayed as a person. (Had this particular light from the 
prism been left out, I could have more easily concentrated on her face, the 
tranquility and shape of her head and face. But still, I guess the intention is not to 
present a real portrait of her.)

Although interesting, this colorful light from the prism in my opinion doesn't really 
add much to the picture, other than the funny effect of it.

A few words about the framing. Her head is firmly placed right in the middle of this 
horisontal frame. This will lock your eye to her face, but the empty dark space to the 
right makes it difficult for you to rest your eye in her face or follow the direction 
of her own eyes. I would definitely have cropped the picture maybe up to her left ear.

(Just to complete this unfriendly comment I also notice some smear of whatever on the 
print that you should have cleaned up... :))
 
Other than that, I think it was an interesting effort, well worth of further 
explorations.

Lasse

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ZX-5 vs MZ-S use this past weekend.

[Matamoros, Cesar A.]

This past Saturday I was photographing the finishers of a sprint
triathlon.  Due to times when there would be multiple finishers crossing
together, I usually use two autofocus cameras.

This time around I used the MZ-S and a ZX-5.  I had not used the
ZX-5 in a long time.  I was surprised at how much effort it took to activate
the metering.  At first when I switched to it I was complaining about not
being able to read the viewfinder information.  I took the shots since I had
it in manual focus and manual metering at the time.  The MZ-S´s shutter
button is effortless to use.  Reminds me of the LX (I had one of those in
the bag for my own personal shooting).

Also it struck me as to how much easier it is to read the MZ-S´s
viewfinder than the ZX-5.  As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, I
tend to use the ZX-5 less in manual mode because of the problems in reading
the information.

Just some thoughts,

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida

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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[admin]

>> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to
>> a Farthing? 
>
>Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
>furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.

A farthing is an old unit of (British) currency. 1/6 of a penny, I believe
(it was before my time).
 
>> Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to get my 
>> Whitworth* tools recalibrated.
>
>units(1) says 'conformability error', which isn't to surprising, as rod
>is a linear and hogshead a volume measure.  

The real reason it isn't surprising is that I was being facetious :-P
(I thought the "Angstroms per Farthing" conversion would have given it away,
but none of the British contingent piped up quickly enough on that one.)

>But there are about 533.4 hogsheads in a cubic rod. ;-)

What we really need is a system of measurement that quantifies the units
we already use: "gobs", "sh*tloads", "scads", "heaps", etc.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Bob Blakely]

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to get my Whitworth*
> tools recalibrated.

Beep! Error! Error! A hogshead is a measure of volume. A rod is a measure of length. 
Beep!
Error! Error! Does not compute!

http://mdmetric.com/kdindex.htm

Regards,
Bob...
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"In the carboniferous epoch
we were promised perpetual peace.
They swore if we gave up our weapons
that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us,
and delivered us, bound, to our foe.
And the gods of the copybook headings said,
'Stick to the devil you know.' "
--Rudyard Kipling


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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Ralf Stubner]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
> Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to a
> Farthing? 

Neither me nor units(1) has ever heard of farthing.  But it does know
furlong, which is about 2e+12 Angstroms.
 
> Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to get my Whitworth*
> tools recalibrated.

units(1) says 'conformability error', which isn't to surprising, as rod
is a linear and hogshead a volume measure.  But there are about 533.4
hogsheads in a cubic rod. ;-)

cheerio
ralf

-- 
Ralf Stubner 

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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "Ivan Prenosil"
Subject: Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.



>
> If metric system was something you can buy, and there was
enough advertising,
> would Americans still resist ?  :-)

Nah, they would pick em up by the bakers dozen
WW

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Re: Metric What?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

>  We were the first country in the world to use a decimal based money system.
>

Actually, I believe that the Russians beat us there.
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ivan Prenosil wrote:

> If metric system was something you can buy, and there was enough advertising,
> would Americans still resist ?  :-)

Yes.  We resist terrible ideas, like the Edsel and New Coke.
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Re: MZ-S Autofocus Question

[Nicholas Wright]

So to achieve focus trakcing you have to set the camera to automatically 
pick the AF point? and there's no way to focus track between points while
the camera is set to let the user select the AF point?

Nick

--
>From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: MZ-S Autofocus Question
>Date: Tue, Aug 21, 2001, 12:12 PM
>

> Rob wrote:
>
>> Are you sure?
>
> Yes
>
>> Mine is set so that if the selected focus point cannot achieve focus it
>> tries the nearest focus point next.  This seems to still take place when
>> I select single point AF.  So presumably in AF-C, the camera will keep
>> trying to achieve focus lock every so often, and when it cannot, it will
>> try the next sensor.  I doubt whether it would track a subject very well
>> though.
>
>
> Thats because the camera is set via the custom function to try the next AF
> point if the selected point fail to find focus. Thats something different
> than tracking though.
>
> Pål
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Re: MZ-S Autofocus Question

[Pål Jensen]

Rob wrote:

> Are you sure?

Yes

> Mine is set so that if the selected focus point cannot achieve focus it
> tries the nearest focus point next.  This seems to still take place when
> I select single point AF.  So presumably in AF-C, the camera will keep
> trying to achieve focus lock every so often, and when it cannot, it will
> try the next sensor.  I doubt whether it would track a subject very well
> though.


Thats because the camera is set via the custom function to try the next AF point if 
the selected point fail to find focus. Thats something different than tracking though.

Pål

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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[admin]

>> You've inspired me! ...  And my cars?  Those factory-supplied 
>> speedometers are coming out until I can replace the faceplates 
>> with a scale calibrated in farthings per fortnight.  
>
>Farthings? Sure you wouldn't be happier with Angstroms?
>

Too inconvenient. Do you have any idea how many Angstroms there are to a
Farthing? 

Anyone know how many rods there are to a hogshead? I need to get my Whitworth*
tools recalibrated.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com

* Old British Motorcycle enthusiasts will understand.
 (And, yes, the phrase "Old British Motorcycle enthusiasts" can be interpreted
several ways, but they all apply.)

-- 
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RE: Home from the War

[admin]

I'm compiling my own collection of memorable PDML quotations. This one just
made the list:

>Except for losing the car, I did pretty well from an equipment
>reliability standpoint.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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FS: Pentax K2 and SMC 50/1.4

[admin]

|  The scheme to get an MZ-S continues...
|  
|  I'm now selling this great 1st-generation k-mount pair, 
|  a K2 with an original k-series 50mm f1.4 lens.
|  
|  The K2 is the one I bought from Mike Johnston last year, 
|  although I've replaced the missing wind lever cap (took me
|  a while to find one of *those*, I assure you). I'd rate it
|  as KEH "excellent" condition. There's some wear of the black
|  paint on the trim but the chrome is in great shape, overall.
|  Everything works well. I haven't checked the shutter speeds
|  but it exposes slide film very well so either the shutter and
|  meter are both fine or they're both off and exactly 
|  compensating for each other ;-) A couple of specks of dust 
|  on the focusing screen but nothing major. Still one of the
|  best viewfinders Pentax ever made.
X  
X  The lens is a gem. Glass is excellent. Paint shows some wear
X  on the aperture ring knurls. This lens is a wonderful big hunk
X  of glass and metal (well, except for the rubber focusing ring 
   grip). Focusing feel of these early k-mount lenses is like the 
   famous screw-mount Takumars: fabulous. 

   A classic pair. $225.00 plus shipping.

   I have photos of the camera body but not the lens.

-- 
Mark Roberts
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Stephen Moore]

"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:

> You've inspired me! ...  And my cars?  Those factory-supplied 
> speedometers are coming out until I can replace the faceplates 
> with a scale calibrated in farthings per fortnight.  

Farthings? Sure you wouldn't be happier with Angstroms?


Regards,

Stephen Moore
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RE: MZ-S Autofocus Question

[Rob Brigham]

Are you sure?

Mine is set so that if the selected focus point cannot achieve focus it
tries the nearest focus point next.  This seems to still take place when
I select single point AF.  So presumably in AF-C, the camera will keep
trying to achieve focus lock every so often, and when it cannot, it will
try the next sensor.  I doubt whether it would track a subject very well
though.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 August 2001 16:56
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S Autofocus Question


Nick wrote:


> Okay, hypothetical situation... I have the autofocus on the MZ-S set
to 
> "AF-C" and the switch on the other side set to lock on a single AF
point
> (that I've selected), say it's locked on the far left. While set this
way if
> my subject moves across the vf will the autofocus track the subject
from
> point to point or will it remain locked on the point that I selected?
Thanks
> for any answers.


If you lock the AF point its locked. It won't change until you unlock
it.

Pål

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Home from the War

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

Well, I made it home from Pennsic War XXX last night.  Since some
of y'all have read of my equipment woes in years past, I figured
I'd tally up the casualties from this year.

One lens cap missing, another possibly missing that
I need to check for.

The batteries in my Konica Autoreflex A3.  (The meter 
still does stuff, but gives me numbers I don't believe.
OTOH, the meter in my Spotmatic SPII mysteriously
started working again just before Pennsic, which really
came in handy.)

One roll of film that suffered extreme "stupid 
operator error" -- I think I exposed a roll of 
Agfa RSX 100 at 25 ASA.

One car.  Blew a head gasket, which threw coolant
into the oil, which trashed the main bearing.  I'm
now a pedestrian -- I left the car in Pennsylvania
to be junked, and need to mail the title to the
garage where it's sitting now.  But the car did get
me to about half a mile from the main gate of the
event site, and there were plenty of helpful folks
headed the same way.  (Attendance was over 12,000
this year.)

Except for losing the car, I did pretty well from an equipment
reliability standpoint.

I brought a spare body (working fine) and a backup body (flaky
but somewhat useable if too many other bodies stopped working
entirely).  I wound up using the spare because I wanted one more 
body than I had available at one point (afternoon, with a couple 
bodies still full of high-speed nighttime film when I wanted to 
shoot something slower), and did not need to pull out the backup.  
The total was eight Pentaxes[*] and the aforementioned Konica, four
and a half light meters (KX, Spotmatic, ME, Super Program, and 
a couple days worth on the Konica -- my handheld meter was lost
in that burglary a while back), and the result so far is thirty two 
rolls of film tossed into the freezer to await funds for processing.
And I took an order for a few reprints, which means I'll get to 
buy some groceries this week.

The Longship Company towed their Viking faering boat, Gyrfalcon,
up there to show off in camp (their Viking longship, Fyrdraca, is 
in the shipyard getting a new mast and should be back in the water 
this coming weekend -- it's also oversized for towing and requires 
a bunch of permits and stuff to move over land -- the faering boat 
is a four-person, four oar (two rowers, a steersman, and a 
passenger/lookout), square rigged little thing).  No boats are
allowed on the lake at the site[**], but on Tuesday they took
it over to the state park on the other side of the Interstate and
put it in the water there.  I tagged along to photograph it.

Now to finish unpacking, do laundry, and sleep some more...

-- Glenn

[*] The full list, if anyone cares, is:  Super Program (used for
slide film), ME (used for Kodak EIR mostly, and a bit of C41),
KX (used for BW), Spotmatic SPII (C41), H1a (Kodak HIE), S1a with
a panoramic mask made of gaffer's tape (C41), Konica (BW), another
H1a (spare -- wound up using it for one or two rolls), and a flaky
H3 as the backup I didn't need to use.  I figured it'd be easier
to keep track of which film I had loaded where if I assigned each
body a film type.  It almost worked.

[**] The exception is a four-foot scale model of a Viking longship,
constructed on-site during the event, and burned Saturday night on
the lake in a memorial service based on a Viking funeral.  Two years 
ago it was done as a memorial for one person who'd died that year.  
Last year and this year, the fellow who built it offered other people 
the opportunity to add symbols and names of people they wanted to 
memorialize as well.  It was extremely moving to hear the shouts and 
songs and other reactions of spectators all around the lake during 
the ceremony.

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Re: Re: Perseid Meteor Shower

[David J Brooks]

I set up my K 1000 on the Saturday night,in the NE sky
and took 3 time pictures,one at 50 min and two at 
about 40 min.The lab developed the first one(nice star
swirls but no streaking hunks o rock)but not the other
two for some reason.I'll scan this one and post it soon.

Dave


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Re: OT HERE and HEAR was Asahi vs Honeywell

[Chris Brogden]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> "Paul M. Provencher" wrote:
> > 
> > >>Roads? We don't need no stinkin' roads!<<
> > 
> > Here! Here!
> 
> Um - try "Hear, hear"  - I can't tell you how many years I thought it
> was "Here, here" - glad to see I'm not the only one who was doing
> that! 


But Ann, you forgot his website link posted just under the
"Here! Here!"  I'm sure he was just trying to point out to people where
they should go.  ;)

chris

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RE: Third party Flash Options For the Mz-S

[Rob Brigham]

Check for compatibility issues first though.  My Sigma flash works on
MZ-30, MZ5N and probably all the others, but not with the MZ-S - it
needs to be sent off to be chipped.  Either ensure compatibility
beforehand, or make sure its a local store you can get a refund from
easily.  Dont accept assurances that it will be OK as Sigma had not
tested with the MZ-S until I contacted them, and I suspect the others
will be the same.

In all fairness, Sigma are very good re-chipping it for free, and its
gotta be painful for them when the manufacturer costs them money in this
way.

Rob
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Re: Asahi vs Honeywell, now OT.

[Ivan Prenosil]

> In fact, the metric system simply reflects a French attempt to dominate
> the world by defining its measurements, a failed attempt. While much of
> the world was sucked into the trap, Americans have resisted mightily,

If metric system was something you can buy, and there was enough advertising,
would Americans still resist ?  :-)

ivan
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Re: digital Infrared

[Bill D. Casselberry]

 Mark wrote:
 
> Wow! This actually makes me much more interested in getting a digital camera.
> Reducing the amount of trial and error (or at least speeding up the process)
> in infrared photography is a very good thing.
 
from what I have gathered on the IR Maillist, one usually
must remove (sometimes w/ much difficulty) some internal
IR-blocking filters from the digicams to "get" IR capabilities.

and tsk, tsk!Trial & Error and the time investment is what
makes IR shooting "real" - sort of a throwback to the days when
all good photography required a good deal of intellectual
involvement on the part of the photographer. IR film photography
is one of the last bastions of "the Art" in a world gone "Auto-Mad"
and expecting instant calculation of all factors by the tool. 

f8 ??  what's f8 ??   . just be there   :^(


Bill
 
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Asahi vs Honeywell

[Robert Payne]

You don't perchance live in Western Australia?
:) :)

Nope, Texas (USA) work in Fort Worth and live about
70 miles (don't speak kilometers) west of Fort Worth.

Y Ha
Robert


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Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[Bill Owens]

Absolutely.  Although you  lose flash compensation via the body, all other
functions of the AF500FTZ are available, including trailing curtain sync and
contrast control.

Bill, KG4LOV
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)


> perhaps some clarification is required here...so FTZ500 is COMPATIBLE with
> MZ-S afterall?
>
> Thanks,
> CS


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Re: OT HERE and HEAR was Asahi vs Honeywell

[Ann Sanfedele]

"Paul M. Provencher" wrote:
> 
> >>Roads? We don't need no stinkin' roads!<<
> 
> Here! Here!

Um - try "Hear, hear"  - I can't tell you how many years I
thought it was "Here, here" - glad to see I'm not the only
one
who was doing that! 

I think it might come from "Hear ye, hear ye" - someone else
can address that if they like.

annsan


> ppro
> http://whitemetal.com/offroad/index.htm
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary L. Murphy
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:44 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Asahi vs Honeywell
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:35:14 -0500, Robert Payne wrote:
> >
> > >...
> > >Drive on LHS of road ~ Drive on RHS of road
> > >
> > >In my neck of the woods, we drive down the middle of the road !
> >
> > Roads? We don't need no stinkin' roads!  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Later,
> > Gary
> >
> >
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Silver MZ-S (WAS: Re: MZ-S Custom)

[Pål Jensen]

I've been told that the silver MZ-S will come at a later date outside Japan. Whether 
this includes north America is not known to me. I suspect that the reason Pentax won't 
push the silver MZ-S is that its not intended as the "Limited" camera. The camera that 
matches the Limited lenses will be pictured with a Limited lens mounted, will have the 
same finish on the controls as the focus ring on the Limited lenses and most likely 
come with a Limited finished metal, bayonet lens cap.

Pål



- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Mathews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 3:50 AM
Subject: RE: MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))


> Yes, this is part of what I meant with my post.  My gut tells me that
> they are selling all the black MZ-S cameras they can in the U.S., and
> then (and only then), they'll import the silver version to match the
> limited lenses and try and catch a "second wave" of sales with it.
> Maybe even update the software or something by then too.  That's why I'm
> keeping my 43 and 77 and waiting it out.  The lenses are worth the wait.
> But if they don't do that, and a matching quality camera never makes it
> stateside, I'll feel even more betrayed than I do now.  For all you out
> there saying how nice it would be for Pentax to offer you some "military
> green" or special color, you're saying that because you believe (and I
> think Shel pointed this out), aesthetics do make some personal or
> practical difference in the way we feel and perceive a quality tool.  So
> that's why they need to eventually market a camera to look good with the
> silver limited lenses they've made thus far.  I guess the only other
> possibility here is that maybe those lenses have not been the success
> story they had hoped, and maybe they'll take their chances pissing off
> the few people that have actually bought them.  I hope that's not it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Cassino
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:17 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: MZ-S Custom (WAS: Re: MZ-S Designers' Story (Parts 1-3))
> 
> Snip. 
> > If they really are hand painted, it's more of a curiosity 
> > than anything 
> > else.  My Mz-S and the FA 43 limited look rather peculiar put 
> > together, so 
> > Pentax would be wiser to release a silver Mz-S than bother with hand 
> > painting, from a marketing perspective.
> Snip.
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Re: The flagship dilemma (Was:MS-Z vs PZ-1p experience)

[Pål Jensen]

Artur wrote:
>Since I
> have Sunpack MZ440AF, my natural choice was AF500FTZ, because of it's
> bounce&swivel ability. And then ... it appeared to be incompatibile with the
> MZ-S.


The AF 500FTZ is fully compatible with the MZ-S.



> So my dilemma is: does it make any sense to put money into the MZ-S +
> AF360FGZ? What if the new flash isn't fully compatibile with older MZ
> bodies? 


I expect the 360 FGZ to be fully compatible with older MZ bodies. 

However, to access the advanced flash capabilities of the MZ-S you need the new flash. 
The "drawback" with the MZ-S is that it has no flash compensation from the body. 
However, its quicker to do manual flash compensation on the MZ-S than automatic 
compensation on the Z-1p.


Pål


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RE: Interesting question about digital: Infrared

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Someone on the rec.photo.digital newsgroup just posted asking if a
> digital camera can do infrared photography

Hi Mark,

CCDs have spectral responsivity curves typical of other silicon devices,
meaning that their useful response extends out to 1000 nm or so.
CCD-equipped consumer camcorders extend somewhat beyond the red end of the
visible spectrum -- ever notice how your camcorder can "see" the flashing
LED in your TV remote (690 nm, IIRC), but your eyes of course can't?  The
reason consumer camcorders do not respond terribly well out at 1000 nm is
not due to a limitation of the CCD, but rather to the optical filter mounted
in front of the CCD.  This filter passes visible light quite well, but does
not pass very much infrared.  I suspect digital cameras are equipped with
such filters as well.  That makes sense, because the typical consumer wants
a photograph or a video to look like the view he/she sees with his own eyes.
If an off-the-shelf camcorder or digital camera responded instead like HIE
film, the typical consumer would probably not be too happy.

You ~can~ increase the IR sensitivity of such a CCD-equipped camera -- but
probably void the warranty -- by removing this filter.  In fact, several
years ago when I lived in Champaign IL, I went to see an evening lecture at
the university given by a fellow involved in research on the Dead Sea
scrolls.  His team used a consumer camcorder with the IR-blocking filter
removed to do near-IR imaging on recovered scraps of the scrolls.  It's
amazing how much comes out in these near-IR images that is completely hidden
in visible-light images.

Good luck with your experiments!

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY

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Re: Interesting question about digital: Infrared

[admin]

Wow! This actually makes me much more interested in getting a digital camera.
Reducing the amount of trial and error (or at least speeding up the process)
in infrared photography is a very good thing.

-- Original Message --

>HI Mark,
>
>You are wrong
>
>CCD's are extremely sencetive for IR and I have seen beautiful digital
IR
>pictures!!
>What is different is there is not the typical IR grain!
>
>for normal picture taking you need an UV&IR filter to keep contrast ok.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com


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Re: World's Most Valuable Super Program Kit!

[clivew]

Couldn't help noticing that the A50/1.7 attached to the camera is set between f/8 and 
f/11.  Wonder if it's stuck there, like mine?  
Obsessed?  Me?
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RE: Interesting question about digital: Infrared

[Ed Mathews]

Yes, the current one's CAN, and they actually can do an extremely good
job at IR.

Find an explanation here:
http://www.cocam.co.uk/CoCamWS/Infrared/INFRARED.HTM#eIR

And find an excellent example here:
http://www.animalu.com/pics/photos.htm

Thanks,
Ed


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Interesting question about digital: Infrared
> 
> 
> Someone on the rec.photo.digital newsgroup just posted asking 
> if a digital camera can do infrared photography. I'm pretty 
> sure current ones can't and wonder if it would ever be 
> possible (even if it's possible technically, it probably 
> would require a special CCD, for which there wouldn't be 
> enough demand to justify producing).
> 
> So perhaps I should start shooting infrared to show those 
> smartass digicam owners what old fashioned film can do?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> www.robertstech.com
> 
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OT: Mike Johnston unleashed -- The 37th Frame

[Robert Harris]

Received my first issue of Mike's new newsletter last night, "The 37th
Frame." A good chunk of this issue is devoted to "The rant'" in which he
discusses the nature of the photo magazine business and the problems
facing an editor of one who wishes to be honest and open with his
subscribers. (Basically that it can't be done.) Good insiders
explanation of what most of us already know, that all photo mags suck.


Highly recommended. Informative, funny and very well written.

[If you are here, mike, one suggestion. Number the pages.)

Bob
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