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You know, this *IS* odd. I typed Shel and it came out Dave. I typed Lasse and it came out backwards. I typed Tim Conway and it came out a-Missus-a-Wiggins. And then I typed my own name and it came out Ozymandias, King of Kings! ...which put me in mind of my own mortality, so I got in bed and hid beneath the covers. --Ozymandias, King of Kings; see, there it goes again! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pål/Paal/Pel was: More MZ-S battery consumpri on
I have to try this because I have the proper letter in my keyboard: e - let4s see what it looks like. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperdinen viesti- Ldhettdjd: PAUL STENQUIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pdivd: 02. syyskuuta 2001 0:12 Aihe: Re: More MZ-S battery consumprion On a Mac, the a with a dot over it comes through as a square. Here's a Mac a with a dot above it. Pel Doug Franklin wrote: On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:53:40 +0200, Pl Jensen wrote: Pel (did it come through this time?) Not in the message, but it's fine in the From: address. Go figure. This just started happening recently. The (a with circle over it) had been coming through fine in messages and headers for a long time. (Let's see if it comes back to me correctly this time.) Just a few days ago, they started getting shifted to e. I wonder if there was a configuration or software change on the mail server(s) that host the list? TTYL, DougF - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Portra 800 and weddings
Hey, when you're the best ... ;) Actually, I used the standard 75mm for the 645, a Sigma 28-80 f3.5-5.6, an FA 80-320, and an A 50mm f2. I recognized immediately the need for a wide angle and a shorter portrait leaf shutter lens for the 645 -- the 75mm worked well, but I would have had a lot more versatility with a couple more lenses. Hopefully, I can pick up at least one of the above in the next few months. - Original Message - From: Mark D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Portra 800 and weddings From: Treena Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To make this on-topic: shot the wedding with a PZ-1p w/ 500FTZ flash, and a 645 with a Sunpak 555 w/Lumiquest softbox (first time to use it; worked GREAT). Wow! You shot the whole wedding without any lenses?!?!? Damn, you're good ; ) Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: This has to be from soemeone here
A scroll of mail from William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:43:03 -0600 Read it? y Naw, they sent me a bunch of their billing information via email, along with that stupid virus that was bonking around a few weeks ago. I am just curious as to how I got into their address book That's the SirCAM virus? I heard a report that there's one virus which checks the Internet Explorer cache and harvests email addresses from there, so if someone just looked at your pages recently, the address will be stored. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pål More MZ-S battery consumprion
A scroll of mail from David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:14:53 +1200 Read it? y Here's a lowecase E: e Here's a lowercase A with a circle above it (alt+0229): e Here's an uppercase A with the circle (alt+0197): E And a copyright symbol (alt+0169): ) nope, but: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Your mailer program probably isn't changing the specified character set and it shows up on other people's machines with their default character set. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Please, stop all other topics, we must address the Pal issue.
Lasse Karlsson wrote: My first observation of the misspelled Pel was in a message from Jody some 21 hours ago: You mean it must all be Judy's fault? Wonder who's name she will change next. Bob Surely, you mean Boob? :-) ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Please, stop all other topics, we must addres??us-ascii?Q?sthe Pal issue
Hi, Pel Paal Pel Shel Shaal Shel Xksne Oksne Bjxrk Bjork Txmetx tomato Pxtetx potato Let's call the whole thing off (d'aprhs Cole Porter) --- Bxb Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Il faut jtre toujours botti et prjt ` partir. One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave. - Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
CZJ vs Pentax
Hi Could you give me any comparison on the following lens? I may choose one of them. Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35/2.4 MC Pentax K 35/3.5 Thanks! Frankie -- \305w\252\357\250\317\245\316 hongkon.com \271q\244l\266l\245\363\250t\262\316 Thank you for using hongkong.com Email system - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pål More MZ-S battery consumprion
In local.pentax, you wrote: Karen Fraser writes: My apologies if I've misspelled your name Pel. Is it Pel or Pel? OK that's funny :) Have you been watching too much of Monty Python's Flying Circus? Seriously though, its time for a test to see what's going on. I wonder if the list server is reformatting the body text of our emails (I notice the headers are still coming through right). [Tests snipped.] Found in the headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the list server responsible for that? Let's throw some more special characters at it, like ^ and ) (uppercase Thorn and Copyright). -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
abandoned places - interesting gallery
I came across this site of a Belgian airbus captain showing pictures of abandoned places. Thought you would like it. http://home2.planetinternet.be/henk/index.html Henk Terhell - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA* 600 4.0 ... Telescope Tripods
A scroll of mail from Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:19:11 -0400 Read it? y I haven't tried that, but I'm going to try a surveyor's tripod (aluminum) the next time the moon is full, about a week from now. I've also managed to get two 2X-S t/cs for good prices lately, so I'm hoping to get much better 2/3-frame moon shots. A surveyor's tripod doesn't really have to be all that accurate. When using a theodolite, errors in your readings will probably cancel out or not be significant. I remember, when I was a lad, doing a survey as part of my engineer's training. We were able to map a parkland area to within an accuracy of a few inches without bothering about tripod stability at all. The Victorian Surveyors produced maps of everywhere with their technology and they were pretty damn accurate. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Please, stop all other topics, we must address the Pal issue.
Grobert wrote: Lasse Karlsson wrote: My first observation of the misspelled Pel was in a message from Jody some 21 hours ago: You mean it must all be Judy's fault? Wonder who's name she will change next. Bob Just to make sure here (and since there was no smiley attached.): I certainly didn't mean to imply to blame Judy for any of this. Gevin suggested a time frame for the first occurrence of this funny thing about Pel, and I was only, trying to be as exact as I could, adding my own observation, in case this actually will prove to be of interest in determening what has happened. (At first I did think she accidentally mispelled his name, but when my own correction of the spelling of Paal's name also proved to be misspelled I realised that something else was the matter.) Glasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Please, stop all other topics, we must address the Pal issue.
Sorry Blob, not until I hit the send butt'n I realised that Djodee's name had gotten the spell too. I meant to write Gyuodee of course.. Very sorry about that. This is certainly getting absurd, isn't it? Galassee - Original Message - From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Please, stop all other topics, we must address the Pal issue. Grobert wrote: Lasse Karlsson wrote: My first observation of the misspelled Pel was in a message from Jody some 21 hours ago: You mean it must all be Judy's fault? Wonder who's name she will change next. Bob Just to make sure here (and since there was no smiley attached.): I certainly didn't mean to imply to blame Judy for any of this. Gevin suggested a time frame for the first occurrence of this funny thing about Pel, and I was only, trying to be as exact as I could, adding my own observation, in case this actually will prove to be of interest in determening what has happened. (At first I did think she accidentally mispelled his name, but when my own correction of the spelling of Paal's name also proved to be misspelled I realised that something else was the matter.) Glasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Please, stop all other topics, we must addres? = =?us-ascii?Q?s the Pal issue
Just checking to see if it also effects my surname: W|thrich It should be with an umlaut on the u after the W. Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: This moths PUG photos that work for me
Thanks Tim for your comments.This little guy will sit for hours while i take his picture.I shot a series of him at various DOF's The picture was scanned from a 4x6 BW (Kodak T400CN film)print a a local lab,along with several others and they all came out a bit on the blue side.I now have Photoshop so i can ,hopefully,remove some of these imperfections now.I don't know if this blue is a thing with the CN film or just the way BW comes out when scanned. I used my ST 55mm f2.0 I really like this lense for they medium distance work.With my other cats i need the 105 f2.8 BTW the print has much better clarity Dave Begin Original Message From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:17:59 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: This moths PUG photos that work for me I don't feel qualified to comment but here goes! Lord and Master (David J Brooks) Captures the personality, nice detail - would love to see this at higher resolution! End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ont Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: character test
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L brackets not tied to any specific QR plate?
I'm getting tired of my cork Slik 300 DX quick release plates slipping on vertical. Anyone know of an L bracket that just has standard camera threads in it? I could screw a couple of my Slik plates in it and move to vertical without flopping the pan-tilt over to the left - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The nature of the beast
Either the body or the glass must be Pentax. While a spotmeter is important, it is not taking the picture. Equipment: Canon EOS1-V with 85mm f/1.8 USM Lens. Pentax Cloudy filter Comments: While I upgraded to Canon Equipment some time ago, I decided I didn't need to replace this particular Pentax filter with an 81A, as they are the same thing. Mostly it is just a lens protector anyway... William Robb - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: The nature of the beast A first princple concerning PUG submissions: If this is a Pentax group, then, imnsho, what can be allowed must simply be images captured by an essentially Pentax system. In that, one or more components required to get the shot should have then name Pentax identified with them. For some, the Pentax Digital Spot Meter would be the requisite piece of equipment; perhaps a Pentax filter on some obscure hardware; or even a k-mount system. They're all none-the-less Pentax-identified, and that separates the gallery from the others. The distinctiveness of the gallery is thus maintained. I wonder if a Minolta gallery suffers from participation by people shooting Kalimar and (some) Vivitar outfits? Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: L brackets not tied to any specific QR plate?
Lon Williamson wrote: I'm getting tired of my cork Slik 300 DX quick release plates slipping on vertical. Anyone know of an L bracket that just has standard camera threads in it? I could screw a couple of my Slik plates in it and move to vertical without flopping the pan-tilt over to the left Want to change heads as well? Bogen (Manfrotto) makes (or made, I do not have a current catalog) a handy L-shaped bracket. But it can only be used with a Bogen head. The bracket a Bogen hexagonal quick-release plate built in to eack leg. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: All lens data missing from the KMP
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:08:33 +0200 From: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: All lens data missing from the KMP Hi, See if you can help with any of the following: Thanks, Boz === 300/4: cap type (clip-on, slip-on), internal cap diameter, cap material (rubber, plastic, metal) Boz; Plastic, clip-on, 80mm (77mm filter size). dave ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: character test
This may be a lot off topic but it is a fun thread!
(good morning, Shel :) )
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Re: abandoned places - interesting gallery
On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:15:29 +0200, Henk Terhell wrote: I came across this site of a Belgian airbus captain showing pictures of abandoned places. Thought you would like it. http://home2.planetinternet.be/henk/index.html Well, Henk, you jerk, now I'm going to waste another couple of days! :-) Those are some awesome locations and photos. Thanks for posting the link. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: L brackets not tied to any specific QR plate?
Robert Harris wrote: The bracket a Bogen hexagonal quick-release plate built in to eack leg. This should read: The bracket has a Bogen hexagonal quick-release plate built in to each leg. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FA* 600 4.0 ... Telescope Tripods
On Sun, 02 Sep 2001 18:56:06 +0800, dave o'brien wrote: I haven't tried that, but I'm going to try a surveyor's tripod (aluminum) the next time the moon is full, about a week from now. I've also managed to get two 2X-S t/cs for good prices lately, so I'm hoping to get much better 2/3-frame moon shots. A surveyor's tripod doesn't really have to be all that accurate. When using a theodolite, errors in your readings will probably cancel out or not be significant. I was really looking for a wooden tripod, for the extra damping of vibrations, but the aluminum one was a gift. The main reason for getting a surveyor's tripod in the first place was so it would hold the weight of the vibration damping masses, based on the comments of some of the other long-distance shooters on the PDML. I've got two 2.5# ankle weights to drape over the camera itself, and a 5 gallon bucket to fill with sand and hang from the center post. If the weather will clear up tonight or tomorrow night I'll be in business. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and 3rd party lenses
Good luck on the debate and decision. I can only offer this: If you like manual control and like the basic premise of the SuperProgram, you will really like the MZ-S. If you like the interface of the Canons, you will like the PZ-1p better. I think the PZ-1p has a faster, better interface than the Canons, but the style is very similar. Both are very nice bodies. Good luck. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Mark D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S and 3rd party lenses From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have an MZ-S and have shot it quite a bit with a Tokina 28-70 ATX Pro II. I haven't noted any problems of any kind. What kind of problems are you seeing? I don't have an MZ-S so I'm not seeing any problems. I am, however, debating between a PZ-1p and an MZ-S. Often, 3rd party lenses have to be re-chipped for new bodies and I was wondering if this was the case with the MZ-S as I have a Sigma zoom on the way. Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Request for comments - cat and cow shots
On Sun, 02 Sep 2001 21:50:48 +0930, Nicole Vincent wrote: http://vygotski.philosophy.adelaide.edu.au/~nicolev/photo/Charlie%20looking%20straight%20ahead.JPG http://vygotski.philosophy.adelaide.edu.au/~nicolev/photo/Charlie%20looking%20to%20the%20side.JPG In particular, which of the two cat shots do you prefer? Definitely the first one (head down on paws). It's more catlike for some reason. Maybe I feel that way because it's the harder shot to get. I've got four cats, and I've been taking pictures of them for years. The nap interrupted, head up and looking around pose is just about the easiest to get with a cat, since they're always desperately afraid they'll miss something. Getting the face on shot with their head down is much harder unless you use a longer lens than 50mm. http://vygotski.philosophy.adelaide.edu.au/~nicolev/photo/Gateway%202000%20Cow.JPG I'm not sure why, but I found this photo hilarious. I guess it's the attitude of the cow ... it looks like the cow is saying why the heck are you taking pictures of by butt, you silly girl? and if you don't mind, stop it! ... I don't know ... the whole structure of the cow's stance just seems funny for some reason. Probably just my weirdness. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Commentary: Bill Peifer
On Sun, 02 Sep 2001 08:44:33 -0400, PAUL STENQUIST wrote: Bill Peifer, Tyshaun: A Memorial [...] Perhaps if the photo had been shot from a position that placed either the memorial or some of the toys prominently [...] Maybe shifting from a 28mm lens to a 24 or 20mm and moving well forward and a little bit left. Position so that the green sign with white writing disappears because it's edge on to the camera. Get close enough that the boy's photo and the white sign with black writing are obviously the subject, and with the line of the toy-filled fence clearly the background or secondary subject. Try to get enough DOF to get the picture, sign, and toys all in focus, or maybe the toys just starting to soften up. This looks like one Bill might be able to try again. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: character test
I don't see why we already know you're a character... ;)
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Re: The nature of the beast
But, it's a superior glass protector because it's from Pentax. ;) Later post to read I dropped my new Canon lens first off of a 10 story building, butter fingers... The filter came through in tact but the every element in the lens shattered the lens barrel punched through the light box and out the back of the camera. I was able to put the filter onto a new. At 10:11 AM 9/2/2001 -0600, you wrote: Either the body or the glass must be Pentax. While a spotmeter is important, it is not taking the picture. Equipment: Canon EOS1-V with 85mm f/1.8 USM Lens. Pentax Cloudy filter Comments: While I upgraded to Canon Equipment some time ago, I decided I didn't need to replace this particular Pentax filter with an 81A, as they are the same thing. Mostly it is just a lens protector anyway... William Robb - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: The nature of the beast A first princple concerning PUG submissions: If this is a Pentax group, then, imnsho, what can be allowed must simply be images captured by an essentially Pentax system. In that, one or more components required to get the shot should have then name Pentax identified with them. For some, the Pentax Digital Spot Meter would be the requisite piece of equipment; perhaps a Pentax filter on some obscure hardware; or even a k-mount system. They're all none-the-less Pentax-identified, and that separates the gallery from the others. The distinctiveness of the gallery is thus maintained. I wonder if a Minolta gallery suffers from participation by people shooting Kalimar and (some) Vivitar outfits? Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax 35-80 f4/5.6 any good?
Folks- I just picked up a zx-m and the default lens was the A 35-80 f4/5.6 not the F version. Are u sure your's is an F? To the original poster of this thread, what version do u have the F or the A? Anyone w/experience w/either lens, I'd welcome additional opinions. be well robo In a message dated 9/2/01 1:57:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:46:03 -0600 From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax 35-80 f4/5.6 any good? The F version of this lens was the default lens on my (M)Z(X) 50 kit. A lot of my PUG submittals were made with it. For an inexpensive, default lens, it is surprisingly good. An acquaintance borrowed a negative shot with it, and had a 20 x 30 print made. At any viewing distance except right next to it, the print is quite sharp. (Film was old Agfa Optima 100.) Then I decided to try the (now discontinued) Tokina AF 28-105, which is rated on Photodo as a sharper lens. In my experience with images scanned and printed at about 8 x 10, the Pentax F 35-80 was sharper than the Tokina, and the images had more contrast. Shots with the Tokina seem to lack contrast. I no longer have the Tokina. So, yes, this is overall (in my experience) a pretty good lens, and a bargain at the price. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
question re: Star-D 28mm lens and other stuff
(1) Opinions on the Star D 28mm f2.8 MC in perfect shape would be appreciated. Is this an acceptable third party lens? Don't know mucha bout it. Wnat to sell it on ebay and don't want to ask too much or too little. It is a 52mm filter thread size and comes with lens cap. I bought it yesterday as an investment at a Sal army for $10.00. (2) Got 3 close-up filters that mount on the front of the lens. quite remarkable magnification to my eye but has anyone got any tips about using these they could pass on? (3) I need a bracket for my newly acquired Vivitar 285hv zoom Thyristor, cause, guess what, it doesn't swivel (did I pay attention when buying it? NOT.) but aside from that it is damned heavy mounted on top of my camera. I'm strobe challenged but feel I need to learn for a few situations beyond my ebay product shooting. I've already discovered the joy of Styrofoam bouncing, but ahd a problem due to lack of swivel when wanting to do a vertical shot. Anybody got a bracket for me? (4) LOts of nice folks on PDML and CGP (the scrabble list) have offered me shelter from the storm as I head west but I have a shelter gap between CLeveland and Chicago. My intended route will keep me clear of super highways - would most like to stay somewhere in Indiana along route 24, which goes straight across the state below Ft Wayne. I'd be expecting to get there on Tuesday the 9th. Alternatively, a suggestion for a tent camp site would be appreciated... even your drive way :) I'm a good little guest, bring my own bed and linens and nice host or hostess gifts. and I have a winning smile. Write me off list, of course. Thanks to all who have already said they would put up with me/put me up for a night along the road. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax 35-80 f4/5.6 any good?
The F is an older model superseded by the FA. If you check Boz's site you can see that the F and A venisons of this lens are both identical optical formulas. http://www.BDimitrov.de/kmp/ At 02:20 PM 9/2/2001 -0400, you wrote: Folks- I just picked up a zx-m and the default lens was the A 35-80 f4/5.6 not the F version. Are u sure your's is an F? To the original poster of this thread, what version do u have the F or the A? Anyone w/experience w/either lens, I'd welcome additional opinions. be well robo In a message dated 9/2/01 1:57:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:46:03 -0600 From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax 35-80 f4/5.6 any good? The F version of this lens was the default lens on my (M)Z(X) 50 kit. A lot of my PUG submittals were made with it. For an inexpensive, default lens, it is surprisingly good. An acquaintance borrowed a negative shot with it, and had a 20 x 30 print made. At any viewing distance except right next to it, the print is quite sharp. (Film was old Agfa Optima 100.) Then I decided to try the (now discontinued) Tokina AF 28-105, which is rated on Photodo as a sharper lens. In my experience with images scanned and printed at about 8 x 10, the Pentax F 35-80 was sharper than the Tokina, and the images had more contrast. Shots with the Tokina seem to lack contrast. I no longer have the Tokina. So, yes, this is overall (in my experience) a pretty good lens, and a bargain at the price. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pål/Paal/Pel
Also my surname gets corrupted. Urgent help is required. Frits Weird - the subject line is OK but in the text it is changed. Also the apostrophe (if that's what it is) is changed to 4. Let's have one more try: Pel, Paal, Pel. Maybe somebody should do something? All the best! Raimo - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: question re: Star-D 28mm lens and other stuff
I've never used that lens however I did some quick research and here's what I've found out. It was manufactured sometime between 1960 and the early eighty's you don't mention the mount but if it's k-mount then early eighty's by default. Manufacturer might be Hoya or Tokina. Original list price $90.00. US so I would say a street price between $45.00 to $60.00 at than time. Current list price if it were still made, (allowing for inflation), would be about 2.75 times the old price. On e-bay these things don't really go for much, they don't have any cachet so I wouldn't expect it to sell for much more than you paid for it plus shipping and handling. I'd list it with a starting bid of $10 and a reserve of $15 and hope to get $20. Optical qualities however would probably be in the not too bad range so you might want to use it yourself if you lens collection is lacking area. The diopters are an interesting case. They are probably only single element, so they will likely throw off the color correction on any lens you use them on, leading to color fringing, or in the case of BW film a slight doubling of the image. I've never been very happy with any images I've taken with the one's that I have. Other people I know have been quite happy with them so you never know. At 02:22 PM 9/2/2001 -0400, you wrote: (1) Opinions on the Star D 28mm f2.8 MC in perfect shape would be appreciated. Is this an acceptable third party lens? Don't know mucha bout it. Wnat to sell it on ebay and don't want to ask too much or too little. It is a 52mm filter thread size and comes with lens cap. I bought it yesterday as an investment at a Sal army for $10.00. (2) Got 3 close-up filters that mount on the front of the lens. quite remarkable magnification to my eye but has anyone got any tips about using these they could pass on? (3) I need a bracket for my newly acquired Vivitar 285hv zoom Thyristor, cause, guess what, it doesn't swivel (did I pay attention when buying it? NOT.) but aside from that it is damned heavy mounted on top of my camera. I'm strobe challenged but feel I need to learn for a few situations beyond my ebay product shooting. I've already discovered the joy of Styrofoam bouncing, but ahd a problem due to lack of swivel when wanting to do a vertical shot. Anybody got a bracket for me? (4) LOts of nice folks on PDML and CGP (the scrabble list) have offered me shelter from the storm as I head west but I have a shelter gap between CLeveland and Chicago. My intended route will keep me clear of super highways - would most like to stay somewhere in Indiana along route 24, which goes straight across the state below Ft Wayne. I'd be expecting to get there on Tuesday the 9th. Alternatively, a suggestion for a tent camp site would be appreciated... even your drive way :) I'm a good little guest, bring my own bed and linens and nice host or hostess gifts. and I have a winning smile. Write me off list, of course. Thanks to all who have already said they would put up with me/put me up for a night along the road. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
K2 REPAIR MANUAL, urgent PLS!
Hi! I am looking for a K2 or K2DMD (I have this body) repair manual. Now MLU is almost impossible to set on my body, needs some cleaning or what - it's rather hard. I have this body _just_ for the MLU, so it's almost useless otherwise for me (well-stopped down landscapes on velvia and bird photography with long but cheap=slower lenses _need_ MLU even on my relatively sturdy tripod). KX would be better but that I don't have. I am pretty familiar with easier repairs of K2DMD because the Pentax service refused to do it so I had to do it myself, but for this I dare not without the manual. 1) if anybody has K2 or K2DMD repair manual, either scanned or on paper, could you send me it by email or copy? I will pay you the copy money of course. 2) or could you try to ask Pentax for it? I asked Pentax Europe for it and they promised it but it crashed because the company which exclusively repairs pentaxes in Czechia refused to hand it over to me, and they also refused to repair the camera. Stupid bastards. Pentax Europe supposedly couldn't send it to me directly because of internal regulation but they were more than willing to send it to Czech repair company which in turn would (ideally) turn it over to me. Perhaps some other Pentax branch would send it? Thanks! Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Metz SCA: 372 or 3702 for SFXn?
Hi, I found a nice metz 35 ct-2 for nice price, but I don't know which SCA to use... 1) can I use SCA 3000 (3702 Pentax) on 35 CT-2 (CT - analog flash?) analog flash with full TTL on digital flash body (SFXn)? And what about on analog flash body (e.g. LX,..) 2) something about the flash - 35 CT-2: is the GN really 35(m) at 35mm coverage? Or is it stated as in MZ-series flashes for 50mm coverage? I hate Pentax's and Metz MZ's inflation of GN - marketing sh*t. 3) can I put newer MZ-series accessories on this CT flash (FYI, it looks similar to e.g. MZ 32, with bounce head) - I am mainly interested in tele attachment for bird photography (because if this flash is real GN 35 at 35mm, it's MORE powerful than 40MZ !!!) Thank you for any information Frantisek Good light! P.S.: CC your mail to my personal address please, PDML through WWW is too slow. thanks! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: CZJ vs Pentax
you wrote: Hi Could you give me any comparison on the following lens? I may choose one of them. Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35/2.4 MC Pentax K 35/3.5 Thanks! Frankie Although I do not have direct experience with any one of them, I have seen both and my friends have used both. Also, take my writing with a bit of scepticism - it's more theoretical (but based on sound information). first, very quickly: If you need it for K mount camera, get the 3.5/35mm UNLESS you do low-light work, ie shoot wide open all the time. Then get the M42 2.4/35mm (used with adapter K). If for M42 camera, get the 2.4/35, but check if it's one of the later versions (better coatings). now not so quickly: 1) The Pentax K 3.5/35 is simple 5-element design, it's just a Tessar with negative element in front of it. It's the most primitive wide-angle retrofocus design, used quite early. Still, simple design+SMC means this is super-contrasty lens, because of so fewer elements compared to other wideangles. BTW, Yoshihiko's tests rate it very highly, which may be partly due to high contrast. I still believe this design to be somewhat primitive and unsuitable for fast apertures, because Tessar itself is not good fast, best Tessar types start at f/4.5 - f/6.8 apertures or f/9 (Apo-Tessar). But as this lens is 3.5 (relatively slow) aperture, I believe in Yoshihiko's tests :). Note, that from seeing this lens I think it has no clickstops between 3.5 and 5.6, making a 1.3 stop transition from wide open to first stopped down. Clearly no lens for low light, where you value even small increase in sharpness by stopping down a 2 lens to 2.5. In fact, most Pentax lenses are disappointing in this, as they have wide open and than nothing until full stop later. Such as the 1.4/50, which has 1.4 (awful performance) and nothing till 2 (very good performance). If it had 2.4 (good performance) between, it would be much better. 2) OTOH, the CZJ 2.4/35mm is among the latest traditional (non-ED and non-AL) designs, which has small and rather flat front element compared to earlier -and not as good- CZJ 2.8/35mm Flektogon. This lens is by my CZJ collecting friends rated among the best CZJ lenses, near such gems as 1.8/80. So I think this is a very good lens, even near wide open. As it is also full stop faster than the 3.5/35 and can be stopped down better But this lens is only available in M42 and Praktica B mounts, so it's rather hard to use it in K mount unless you shoot wide open all the time (because when used via the Adapter-K it becomes manual-aperture lens, when you have to manually open the aperture to have bright view to focus then stop down to selected shooting aperture, which is a pain unless you shoot at its maximum aperture or near it). So, for landscapes or normal day-light or flash shooting get the 3.5/35 if you are using K mount camera. The CZJ coatings, although adopting Multicoating quite nearly (seventies, just after the western Carl Zeiss invented it), have worse MC than contemporary SMC. And yes, it's visible in the images - more flare. Lens hood is needed. But CZJ's later coatings (more orange in colour, compared to more pinky older coatings) are quite good, not as SMC but still good. Still, even their early multicoating is way better than Kiron's multicoating. I hope this helps, and now I am looking to people who own both lenses to compare them practically. Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F70-210/4-5.6 AF zoom
It's considered an excellent zoom lens - so of course Pentax discontinued it. Be sure to get the SMC version. The Takumar version looks nearly identical, but doesn't say SMC. They do come up on eBay. I got mine from KEH. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: question re: Star-D 28mm lens and other stuff
Peter Alling wrote: I've never used that lens however I did some quick research and here's what I've found out. It was manufactured sometime between 1960 and the early eighty's you don't mention the mount but if it's k-mount then early eighty's by default. Manufacturer might be Hoya or Tokina. Original list price $90.00. US so I would say a street price between $45.00 to $60.00 at than time. Current list price if it were still made, (allowing for inflation), would be about 2.75 times the old price. On e-bay these things don't really go for much, they don't have any cachet so I wouldn't expect it to sell for much more than you paid for it plus shipping and handling. I'd list it with a starting bid of $10 and a reserve of $15 and hope to get $20. I have two pentax 28mm's so I ain't gonna keep it myself. Thanks so much PEter for investigating! It may end up as a present for my friend who is going to China. I sent her one of my Pentax 28's to borrow. The diopters are an interesting case. They are probably only single element, so they will likely throw off the color correction on any lens you use them on, leading to color fringing, or in the case of BW film a slight doubling of the image. I've never been very happy with any images I've taken with the one's that I have. Other people I know have been quite happy with them so you never know. I thought I'd keep these and play around with them. They certainly make good magnifiers - there was a 2x a 1x and a 4x in the set. thanks again, Peter! annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: more characters
Could not agree more! All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperdinen viesti- Ldhettdjd: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pdivd: 02. syyskuuta 2001 17:16 Aihe: more characters ';:~!@#$%^*()_+ -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: question re: Star-D 28mm lens and other stuff
Peter A.: wrote: I've never used that lens however I did some quick research and here's what I've found out. It was manufactured sometime between 1960 and the early eighty's you don't mention the mount but if it's k-mount then early eighty's by default Unless I've misunderstood something, and in case you're going by when the K-mount was introduced, Pentax introduced the K-mount in late 1975. Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: more characters
Yeah, and the same to you!!! Norm Shel Belinkoff wrote: ';:~!@#$%^*()_+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Metz SCA: 372 or 3702 for SFXn?
You can send an email to Metz, with a question like that. They responded with a very helpful answer on a question I had for them a few months ago. They have manuals online in pdf format, but not on older stuff:-( http://www.metz.de Frits Hi, I found a nice metz 35 ct-2 for nice price, but I don't know which SCA to use... 1) can I use SCA 3000 (3702 Pentax) on 35 CT-2 (CT - analog flash?) analog flash with full TTL on digital flash body (SFXn)? And what about on analog flash body (e.g. LX,..) 2) something about the flash - 35 CT-2: is the GN really 35(m) at 35mm coverage? Or is it stated as in MZ-series flashes for 50mm coverage? I hate Pentax's and Metz MZ's inflation of GN - marketing sh*t. 3) can I put newer MZ-series accessories on this CT flash (FYI, it looks similar to e.g. MZ 32, with bounce head) - I am mainly interested in tele attachment for bird photography (because if this flash is real GN 35 at 35mm, it's MORE powerful than 40MZ !!!) Thank you for any information Frantisek Good light! P.S.: CC your mail to my personal address please, PDML through WWW is too slow. thanks! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: question re: Star-D 28mm lens and other stuff
IT is a K-mount, btw - thought I DID mention it. And Lasse, I think Peter meant that Star_D didn't make K-mount lenses until early 80's. I still have my k-mount KX bought in 1975 :) it's name is Sam. annsan Lasse Karlsson wrote: Peter A.: wrote: I've never used that lens however I did some quick research and here's what I've found out. It was manufactured sometime between 1960 and the early eighty's you don't mention the mount but if it's k-mount then early eighty's by default Unless I've misunderstood something, and in case you're going by when the K-mount was introduced, Pentax introduced the K-mount in late 1975. Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Metz SCA: 372 or 3702 for SFXn?
1) can I use SCA 3000 (3702 Pentax) on 35 CT-2 (CT - analog flash?) analog flash with full TTL on digital flash body (SFXn)? And what about on analog flash body (e.g. LX,..) I believe it uses SCA300 system. To verify, just see if it has a 5+5 contacts arrangement. If so, you need a SCA372 adaptor. This adaptor offers TTL capability with all Pentax bodies (as long as the body has this feature). SCA3701 (discontinued) and 3702 adaptors works on AF bodies only. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: character test
I believe the politically correct term is, He is a character.
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Re: abandoned places - interesting gallery
Henk wrote: I came across this site of a Belgian airbus captain showing pictures of abandoned places. Thought you would like it. http://home2.planetinternet.be/henk/index.html Thanks much, Henk. Great stuff. To judge from the responses on the list, I'm not the only one with a weakness for photographers who, as David Plowden says, try to stay one step ahead of the wreaking ball. I think you'll like Plowden. If you don't know his work... http://www.people.virginia.edu/~bhs2u/david-p/dp-new/dp-new1.html ...is a good introduction. Site tends to load slowly, but is worth the wait. And this site... http://oboylephoto.com/ruins/index.htm ...has a similar feel. It's currently one of my favorites, especially this gallery... http://oboylephoto.com/boatyard/index.htm Cheers, John = John Edwin Mason Charlottesville, Virginia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] alt email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The PUG Guy yips a second time
Submissions must have been made using Pentax Digital, 6x7, 645, K-Mount or M-42 screw mount camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax Bill; Very nicely worded. Is there a particular reason why point-n-shoot cameras or 110 is not allowed? Hey, I am okay with that, I am just wondering. Maybe it is not professional enough :) Then again, my kids have a UC-1 dave ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Re: abandoned places - interesting gallery
JOhn - Plowden an old favorite of mine - Thanks for pointing to site _ i have 3 of his books. I'll have a look! annsan John Mason wrote: I think you'll like Plowden. If you don't know his work... http://www.people.virginia.edu/~bhs2u/david-p/dp-new/dp-new1.html ...is a good introduction. Site tends to load slowly, but is worth the wait. And this site... http://oboylephoto.com/ruins/index.htm ...has a similar feel. It's currently one of my favorites, especially this gallery... http://oboylephoto.com/boatyard/index.htm Cheers, John = John Edwin Mason Charlottesville, Virginia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] alt email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Thanks to someone and other things I learned today
You're welcome! ppro (former custom color lab technician) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Thanks to someone and other things I learned today Recently someone posted that their local minilabs tended to print with too much magenta and too light. Today at work I tried setting our printer to -1 stop magenta and +1 stop dark. The results were fantastic! Caucasian skin tones much more natural and saturation increased noticeably. Thanks for the tip. Other things I learned today: Polaroid ISO 400 print film was read by our printer as Fuji Superia 400. I was under the impression that Polaroid film was manufactured by Ferrania (Imation). Agfa Vista 400 printed as per above (and using the Optima 400 channel, since our printer has no channel for Vista) is very close in saturation to the now discontinued Agfa Ultra 50. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
