Re: Which 24mm??? (was-How many lenses do you WANT to own?)

2002-01-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Because I already have the K24/2.8 and numerous people have said that
it's somewhat better than the K24/2.8 wrt distortion.  I don't know if
that's true, but if it has characteristics that are different than the
2.8, then the two might compliment one another.  The other reason is
that I like nice K-mount lenses.  I have several focal lengths in
various iterations, but not the 24mm.

nobel noprize wrote:
> 
> >From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Pretty much every SMCP there is, although I've little desire for many
> >zooms.  I'd like to add the 15mm, 18/3.5, A20/2.8, 24/3.5, FA*77/1.8
> >Ltd, A*135/1.8,  A*300/2.8 A*400/2.8, A*600/5.6, A*1200/8.0, and the
> >135~600 zoom.  That should do it, and sooner or later I'd use them all.
> 
> Why the K-24mm f3.5 instead of the K or A f2.8 versions? Is this just a
> personal preference based on your experience with this lens, or is there
> some other compelling reason to give up the extra bit of speed?
> 
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Ot question on JAVA script

2002-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Anyone out there familiar with using applets to add moving
ripples to water in a photo?

I really don't want to get (back) into writing real
programming
stuff, but it might be that what I am trying to do is a lot
easier than it seems.

I'm also neverous about downloading applets from the web -
I was sent to this site by someone who has a greeting card
site and wants some of my photos for it but pointed out
that the animated stuff sold better for him - he is an
acquaintance
of some time from that other world I'm in :)  I could use
the bucks,
so figured I'd try it. But I'm a bit befuddled and
impatient.

So - somebody who is smart about this if you would write me
off
list I'd go into more detail about it.

Thanks for any help.  

annsan
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New LX screen SE60

2002-01-19 Thread Alan Chan

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1323803453

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Unreadable Web Pages

2002-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

> > Today I recreived an email entitled "A Special Limited Time Offer From
> NYI" from the New York Institute of Photography.  The heading is fine, but
> the extensive text is black on dark blue, and completely
> > illegible.  You would think guys who run a respected photography school
> would know about colors and contrast and thing of that sort.
> > --
> > Daniel J. Matyola

aimcompute wrote:
> 
> I received it as well.  I agree, c'mon... it's probably the trainees they've
> hired.
> 
> Tom C.

Is it possible that the colors are appearing differently on
the machine
on which they wrote?  That they wrote code that said "light
blue" but
it was interpolated to say dark blue by the settings on
their machines?

Wondering how often that happens in graphic stuff on the
web.

annsan
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Which 24mm??? (was-How many lenses do you WANT to own?)

2002-01-19 Thread nobel noprize

>From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Pretty much every SMCP there is, although I've little desire for many
>zooms.  I'd like to add the 15mm, 18/3.5, A20/2.8, 24/3.5, FA*77/1.8
>Ltd, A*135/1.8,  A*300/2.8 A*400/2.8, A*600/5.6, A*1200/8.0, and the
>135~600 zoom.  That should do it, and sooner or later I'd use them all.

Why the K-24mm f3.5 instead of the K or A f2.8 versions? Is this just a 
personal preference based on your experience with this lens, or is there 
some other compelling reason to give up the extra bit of speed?

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Robert Harris

Len Paris wrote:

>>Did you have presence of mind enough, though, to then ask one
>>
> of them to
> 
>>take a picture of you behind the wheel?
>>
> I can't
> remember a single time that I've ever asked a stranger to take a
> picture of me using my camera.

But Shel was not dealing with strangers in this situation. He was 
dealing with one of his idols in and one of his icons.

Bob
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"Summicron"

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

Collin wrote:

> At least for now, the high bidder "Summicron" on a classic Pentax lens
> is, presumably, a Leica lover.
> 
> Seems appropriate some how.


Hey, Summicron's a good friend of mine. Great guy. He's shot Pentax at times
and loves Spotmatics. In fact, he may be lurking on this list right now.

--Mike
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Re: Travelling and Photography

2002-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Len Paris wrote:
> 
> That's the only way out but you miss just a little bit on the
> well-designed websites by imposing your own background and
> fonts.  If it's something I really want to read, I'll hack it a
> bit, too.
> 
> Len
> ---
> 
Annsan replies:
I sometimes look at something both ways - switch it back to
non-override
if I sense it is the kind of site that calls for it.  But
most of the time
it is info I want and the white backgrounds really kill my
eyes.
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Re: End of OM

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> I'm currently involved in negotions to purchase an
> SMC 15/3.5 lens but I think I'd better put it off for a few months to see how
> things shake out.


No, I don't think that's wise. After 15 years in the photography industry,
I've learned that "waiting for things to shake out" is a perpetual
condition. Buy now what you need to work with now and let the future shake
out as it will, is my advice. You only live once. If you need the 15mm, buy
the 15mm. 

--Mike
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MZ-3 AF with 1.4x tc and F5.6 lens

2002-01-19 Thread Brendan

I didn't expect this to happen but with the sigma 1.4x
tc I just got
it auto focused with both the Pentax F4.5-5.6 35-80
and sigma
F4-5.6 70-300 at the longest zoom range. Addmittedly
it needed a
bright ( 7+ ev according to the light meter )
contrasty target but
still this means the SAFOX system can operate to F8 or
so. This also
means the tamron 70-300 F4-5.6 most likely will AF
with it's matched
1.4 tc and maybe others. Now the AF was slow, it did
hunt alot missed
objects that it should have picked up normally so it's
usefullness is
limited to stationary objects but it's still
impressive that it can do
it.

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

I was very polite.

--Mike


> Boy, I sure hesistate to comment but here goes...
> 
> I wonder if you first asked him if he would mind if you made a photo of him?
> That might have taken the edge off asking him pose.
> 
> Also, it might not have been a very good day.  I guess I shouldn't be making
> excuses for him but I can't imagine that being in the
> public light is really all the easy.  I would think you'd have to be aloof
> sometimes just for the sake of self preservation.
> 
> FWIW
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Re: And did I mention wrong

2002-01-19 Thread Bob Blakely

Back light it with a black (or very dark) background. Catch the glint off
the fine stuff at the edges. Oops, I'm told there are no edges. Catch the
glint off the fine stuff at the uncertainty blur surrounding the duckling.
This will probably work, as the solution to the duckling's wave function is
most certainly near 1.0. In the unlikely event that the duckling is
somewhere else at the instant of exposure (or doesn't exist because it isn't
being observed), try again while watching the duckling closely.

Regards,
Bob...

"Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity,
and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us
from the former, for the sake of the latter.
The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls
for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude,
and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we
suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty,
we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.'
It is a very serious consideration that millions yet
unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event."
- Samuel Adams, 1771

From: "John Mustarde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> ...  I
do know it's near
> impossible to get a Sharp shot of a little yellow duckling in the
> first days after hatching.
>
> I can get some of the yellow down sharp, but the lil' ducky's finest
> down is impossible to resolve, even with the best technique and
> lenses. The down must need over 100 lpm resolution, and it's pretty
> low in contrast to its surroundings, even on water reflecting a bright
> blue sky. Self-defense mechanism? Maybe predators have a hard time
> seeing a fuzzy yellow ducky also.
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Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?

2002-01-19 Thread Fred

> True enough, but don't hold your breath waiting for the wide world
> of photography to follow your lead.  I for one will not contradict
> the established usage.  BTY I'm not deaf.

Thanks for your reply, Anthony.

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.  I also have no intent of
changing established usage.  However, my point is that the members
of the PDML should certainly have the right to do so (on the PDML)
if they chose to.

I apologize for the "shouting".

What is "BTY"?  I apologize for being dense, too...

Fred
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Re: SMC PENTAX 1:4/200

2002-01-19 Thread Fred

> Can anyone tell me what is the correct filter/lens hood size for
> my recently purchased SMC PENTAX K-Mount 1:4/200 #5275464.

The filter thread is 58mm.

Enjoy your new lens - a good one.

Fred
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Re: The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Bmacrae

Rob...

If you put another strap lug on these babies as some have suggested I'd buy 
one (or two) in a heartbeat.

They are really terrific.

The hardwood against the black of the LX is a lot more pleasing than you'd 
think it might be...I LOVE IT!!

Brendan MacRae
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Re: SMC PENTAX 1:4/200

2002-01-19 Thread William Robb

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Subject: SMC PENTAX 1:4/200


> Can anyone tell me what is the correct filter/lens hood size
for my recently
> purchased SMC PENTAX K-Mount 1:4/200 #5275464.

 58mm, according to Boz.

William Robb
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SMC PENTAX 1:4/200

2002-01-19 Thread jmadams

Can anyone tell me what is the correct filter/lens hood size for my recently
purchased SMC PENTAX K-Mount 1:4/200 #5275464.
James
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Ctein an Honorary PDMLer?

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> Mike,
> 
> I would really appreciate it.  As I contemplate making the move up to
> 67 I would like to be as informed as I can be.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce Dayton



I've asked. I'll forward any reply he might make to me.

By the way, I'd like to nominate Ctein as an "Honorary PDMLer"--his cat was
named Pentax. Don't you all think that qualifies him?

--Mike

P.S. Yes, yes, he photographed Pentax with a Pentax.
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Re: For the enablers

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with this Beavis person and don't understand
> your post.


Your good fortune, Paul. Don't complain. 

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

Thanks Shel,

What amazes me about stories like yours, is that I bet those wonderful gentlemen
had no idea what an impact they were having on your life.  Here it is, what, 45
years later, and you obviously have such a fond memory of these events.

Evey so often, I need to hear about these sorts of stories, to remind me that
there is such potential in so many of the things we do.  Even the innocuous, may
end up being someone's wonderful memory later in their life.

thanks,
frank

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Hmmm ... a story that seems somewhat typical of the big "stars" in
> sports these days.
>
> I recall Mario Andretti as being very accessible and friendly, but that
> was back in the days when any spectator could buy a pit pass and wander
> freely amongst the cars, drivers and mechanics.
>
> As a counterpoint to Mike's tale, I'd like to pass along a much more
> positive story.  When I was in high school I was a big fan of motor
> sports, and Ferrari cars and drivers were my favorites.  This was when
> Phil Hill, Wolfgang von Trips, Stirling Moss, Richie Ginther, and others
> were in their prime.  I learned that Luigi Chinetti, the importer of
> Ferrari at the time, had a shop in NYC, and I went down there one
> Saturday morning, mostly just to stand outside and gawk.  The shop was
> open, and I wandered inside, loving every moment of my proximity to the
> shining red cars with the prancing horse emblem.
>
> At one point I stuck my head around a corner, and there, right before
> me, was the garage area.  Oh, all those gleaming red cars and snorting
> 12 cylinder engines - even as I write these words the memories of my
> youthful joy brings a tear to my eye.  And there, in the corner, almost
> looking abandoned, was "La Barchetta", the little boat, a Type 166 Mille
> Miglia, the car that Chinetti himself drove at LeMans in 1949, one of
> only three or four ever made.  Oh, the joy!  I couldn't help myself, and
> I slowly, quietly, walked over to it, standing close enough to smell the
> leather of the driver's seat, touching the tires ever so gently, afraid
> of doing some damage, breathing in the history, and imagining the speed
> and excitement of racing down the Mulsanne Straight.
>
> When I left that day I knew that I was coming back.  And the next
> Saturday I returned, this time with a little camera loaded with color
> film.  I took some snapshots of the cars, the garage area, of the
> mechanics at work - if only I could capture the sound of those marvelous
> engines as the mechanics revved them - their snarling exhaust and their
> deep breathing through six dual barreled, downdraft Weber carburetors,
> muffled only slightly by wire mesh air filters.  I was in heaven.
>
> I went back to the shop many times, always on Saturday mornings. At no
> time did anyone ever ask me to leave, or to not take pictures, or to
> stop drooling on the cars. It seemed as if no one even noticed me.  And
> then, one Saturday morning, Luigi Chinetti himself came up to me, and
> asked if I'd be kind enough to help the mechanic move "La Barchetta" -
> if it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Imagine how I felt when the
> mechanic suggested that I sit in the car and steer it while he and Luigi
> pushed it across the garage to its new spot in the morning sun.  Man,
> the memory of that moment, and the following moment when Luigi and the
> mechanic asked if I'd be kind enough to take a picture of them standing
> by that marvelous red machine.
>
> Mike Johnston wrote:
>
> > But Michael Andretti's an ass.
> > [...] I tried explaining that I had a very nice picture framed and
> > just needed _someone_ to be looking out the window, so, even if he didn't
> > want his own picture taken, would he mind asking the mechanic to come sit
> > where he was sitting and just look towards the stand for five seconds?
> >
> > Slowly and deliberately, he finished his soda, got up and walked away. Never
> > once glanced my way, never answered. No chance he didn't hear me, unless
> > he's stone deaf--I was a yard and a half from the guy.
> >
> > I've got one word for that guy: PRICK. Selfish, swell-headed, self-centered,
> > rude prick. (Uh, well, okay, so that's seven words.)
>
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Fascinating

2002-01-19 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321590373

At least for now, the high bidder "Summicron" on a classic Pentax lens
is, presumably, a Leica lover.

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Re: OT: Bargain (bogen) of the century?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

I was mistaken. My tripod is a 3011.
Paul

Paul Stenquist wrote:

> I have a 3020 that I bought on ebay for a similar amount, although mine is
> equipped with a rather robust video head, the number of which escapes me at the
> moment. But I love the tripod. It's a rock. Just the thing for a 6x7. And the
> video head is stout, so it's quite fine for horizontals, less so for verticals.
> Paul
>
> Jim Moniz wrote:
>
> > I wandered into a local camera shop to check on the availability of the FA
> > 50mm 1.4 lens.  The conversation led to a discussion of tripods.  I mentioned
> > that I once owned a Tiltall lens, and asked the clerk what he would recommend,
> > since I wasn't happy with the tripod my girlfriend has been letting me use.
> > He pointed at a used Bogen tripod.  I took one look at the tripod, one look at
> > the price tag, and snapped it up so quickly you could almost hear thunder from
> > the air rushing into the space once occupied by the 'pod!  Get this...a Bogen
> > pro model 3020, WITH a 3028 head, for $99!!! This baby has definitely been
> > used but was well cared for, and I will never have to buy another tripod
> > again.  The clerk, who is also a pro, was genuinely perturbed that one of his
> > fellow salesmen put such a low price on the tripod, and said he would have
> > bought it himself (or for a friend) if he had known about it first.
> > Just wanted to share my good fortune with you all.  I plan to put this through
> > some serious use over the next few weeks.
> > Jim
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Re: A few P67 shots

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Very nice. The Pelican shows awesome detail.
paul

"J. C. O'Connell" wrote:

> Got my darkroom going today. Still waiting
> for the 105mm enlarging lens but used my
> 80mm for the time being. Sure is nice to be
> able to print again.
>
> Heres two shots using the 45mm F4:
>
> www.gate.net/~hifisapi/Inlet.jpg
>
> www.gate.net/~hifisapi/condo.jpg
>
> Heres two using the 300mm F4:
>
> www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pelican.jpg
>
> www.gate.net/~hifisapi/outboards.jpg
>
> Sorry for the big files, but its impossible
> to even begin to see the details in these prints
> without at least a few hundred Kbytes. My
> scanner kinda sucks for B&W too.
>
> Based on the pelican pic ,the 300mm has
> pretty decent bokeh. The 45mm has too
> much DOF to see it's bokeh, need to take
> some closeups to check that out.
> Laters,
> JCO
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Re: The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda

Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Team,
> 
> I've been sitting on this one for a while now, waiting until
we really had it
> right, your feedback would be very much appreciated:
> 
> http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/

Hi Rob,

Well done! I like the longer, darker grip. It seems perfect.
So, how can I get one???

GIanfranco

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

Hi, Paul,

I was thinking similar thoughts to yours.  It must not be easy to be in the public eye 
all the time - although being the son of one of
America's favourite (and best) racers, Michael would have known what's to be expected 
before he decided to follow in dad's footsteps.

And, he may have been having a bad day.

But you know what, the Pits are all part of the "racing show".  That's why the public 
pays extra to get in there.  If you as a driver
are in there, you're part of the show.  Act accordingly.

I'm not a huge NASCAR fan, but one thing they have right, is that it is expected that 
the drivers will relate with the fans.  It is a
personality driven sport, and it's in everone's best interest that these good ol' boys 
mix with the fans.  I've seen Dale Earnhardt
stickers on the back window of pick-up trucks, but I've never seen a Michael Andretti 
sticker on anything.

But here's the bottom line.  Michael Andretti gets paid millions of dollars per year.  
You know who pays his salary?  The people who
pay to get into races, including those who pay extra for pit passes.  The people who 
shop at K-Mart (is he still on their team?  I
don't know).  The people who buy Goodyear tires and every other of the 50 or so 
products that bought sticker space on his car and
driver's suit.  My guess is that Mike falls into several of those categories of 
persons.  So Mike pays Andretti's salary.  And Mike
deserved better treatment than that.

No excuses.

regards,
frank

"Paul M. Provencher" wrote:

> Boy, I sure hesistate to comment but here goes...
>
> I wonder if you first asked him if he would mind if you made a photo of him?  That 
>might have taken the edge off asking him pose.
>
> Also, it might not have been a very good day.  I guess I shouldn't be making excuses 
>for him but I can't imagine that being in the
> public light is really all the easy.  I would think you'd have to be aloof sometimes 
>just for the sake of self preservation.
>

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is true." -J. Robert
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Re: The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Wow! Awesome work, Rob. I want the larger one. I was very disapointed with Grip
B, in that it was insubstantial. I keep the motor drive on my LX most of the
time. It calls for a big  handle. What's more, it will  make it a nice match for
my 6x7 with the wood grip. How do I order one?
Paul

Rob Studdert wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> I've been sitting on this one for a while now, waiting until we really had it
> right, your feedback would be very much appreciated:
>
> http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Good, very good. I remember the shot well.
Paul

Steve Larson wrote:

> Here`s a wide open shot with the 135/2.3:
> http://pug.komkon.org/01may/WoodDuck.html
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul F. Stregevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
>
> > Fred wrote:
> > How is the bokeh with that Vivitar S-1 135/2.3 ?
> >
> > I guess I'm not a bokeh fanatic; I haven't paid attention. I use this lens
> > exclusively to shoot indoor school events, and I'm just happy if the kids
> > and sets look sharp. I've just reviewed some JPEGs of a recent production
> I
> > shot, and I don't even notice any attributes of the out-of-focus zones.
> > Steve Larson, John Mustarde, any other owner, care to comment?
> >
> >
> > Paul Franklin Stregevsky
> > 13 Selby Court
> > Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410
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Re: The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Peter Alling

Damn, the're pretty.  What's the possibility of adding a provision for a strap
lug to the upper right side, so that the camera stays horizontal with the strap
and grip fitted?

At 12:07 PM 1/20/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Team,
>
>I've been sitting on this one for a while now, waiting until we really had it
>right, your feedback would be very much appreciated:
>
>http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rob Studdert
>HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Yes, I think so. My slip is showing.
paul

Len Paris wrote:

> > $595 if I had to. So I bought it. The 6x7 klit is shaping up.
> > Paul
>
> Hmm, Paul.  Was that a Freudian slip?
>
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Re: The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Rob ...

These look fantastic!  I'm certainly interested.

One thought crossed my mind - that it would be nice to have a strap
attachment on the grip like the new, factory LX grip.  But man, it's a
nice addition for anyone who wants to customize their LX.  It looks like
the grips a little more substantial than Grip A, which might be a good
thing when used with the more bulky and heavier LX/Winder combination. 
Send one to me for field testing right away!

Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> I've been sitting on this one for a while now, waiting until we really had it
> right, your feedback would be very much appreciated:
> 
> http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Pntx645

  I used to work in public relations and fundraising for a children's charity 
and in that capacity I would occasionally come in contact with celebrities 
who were engaged in our fundraising events.  Most were quite gracious.  
Perhaps that was related to the fact that they were helping the charity in 
the first place.  
  However, there was one male Country Western singer who proved to be the 
exception.  He was fairly gracious for most of the event (though he did seem 
somewhat bored to be there).  But when a female co-worker of mine asked him 
to move a small equipment case for her, he told her, "I hire people to do 
sh** like that!" as he walked off.  He lost my respect.
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Re: Travelling and Photography

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> I override web colors with my own background and fonts in
> Netscape - helps a lot!

Sometimes :-;
Paul
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Luigi Chinetti and "La Barchetta"

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> I went back to the shop many times, always on Saturday mornings. At no
> time did anyone ever ask me to leave, or to not take pictures, or to
> stop drooling on the cars. It seemed as if no one even noticed me.  And
> then, one Saturday morning, Luigi Chinetti himself came up to me, and
> asked if I'd be kind enough to help the mechanic move "La Barchetta" -
> if it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Imagine how I felt when the
> mechanic suggested that I sit in the car and steer it while he and Luigi
> pushed it across the garage to its new spot in the morning sun.  Man,
> the memory of that moment, and the following moment when Luigi and the
> mechanic asked if I'd be kind enough to take a picture of them standing
> by that marvelous red machine.


Wow! That is a LOVELY story.

--Mike
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The new LX Grips

2002-01-19 Thread Rob Studdert

Hi Team,

I've been sitting on this one for a while now, waiting until we really had it
right, your feedback would be very much appreciated:

http://www.home.aone.net.au/audiobias/

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> That seems to happen all to often when "stars" let it go to their heads
> It's really a shame that some of them
> act that way. Guess that's way I liked Dale Earnherdt so much. Every time I
> was around the track when he was
> there, he would always take time for things like you mentioned. I guess he
> never forgot where he came from..



Bunch of famous people are like that. Glenn Frey of the Eagles, Willard
Scott, even Jackie Kennedy was very gracious (I didn't try to take a picture
of her though ). I grant that we don't "own" celebrities and they don't
"owe" us anything. Still, turning your head for a second is really _not_
much to ask. 

--Mike
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread John Mustarde

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:07:43 -0500, you wrote:

>Fred wrote:
>How is the bokeh with that Vivitar S-1 135/2.3 ?

People forget that bokeh is heavily influenced by the aperture used,
the subject distance compared to the background distance, and the
background subject matter.

At f2.3 is not "sharp" in the sense of a 100mm macro at f8, but it is
not "soft" in the sense of a 50/1.2 wide open. Nor is the bokeh as
smooth as a 300/2.8 wide open focused on a close subject with a
distant background. I may get out tomorrow and shoot a roll
specifically to develop a better opinion of this lens' bokeh, color
rendition, flare resistance, contrast, and "sharpness."

I'd say the Vivitar 135/2.3 has no glaring faults, and would please
anyone who wanted a very good 135mm manual focus lens, especially if
they were lucky enough to find the later K-mount version.

We've left out the Pentax F 135/2.8 in these discussions. I remember
one list member was very impressed with that lens. And with today's
better ISO 400 and 800 films, f2.8 is often plenty fast enough.

--
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Re: Re[2]: Need help with digital planning

2002-01-19 Thread John Mustarde

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:18:48 -0500, you wrote:

>I wouldn't consider buying a 2700/2900 dpi scanner at this point unless I were
>planning to keep it just until I could get a 3600/4000 dpi scanner later.

...and the low re-sale value for second-hand 2700 dpi film scanners
supports your findings in a backhand way. 

When I bought my Nikon Coolscan III, there wasn't anything higher than
2700 dpi available for any decent price; now I can't even keep up with
all the good scanners which have significantly higher bit depth,
D-max, and resolution - many at very reasonable prices.

--
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RE: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul M. Provencher

One reason to buy an electronic version of a manual is the media itself.  I generally 
prefer reference materials that I plan to use
to be in a machine readable format.

I also collect ephemera like manuals and of course for that, only the real thing will 
do.  And the one Pentax sends for $4 is just a
Xerox copy.  Worth the price if you want a paper copy.

Incidentally, there are other sources of cheaper electronic manuals.

ppro
http://whitemetal.com/pentax/index.htm


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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Super Program manual online?
>
>
>
> Not everyone knows that.  (That's why there are no stupid questions).
>
> At 04:11 PM 1/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:49:21 -0800, Jim Moniz wrote:
> >
> > >http://www.manualsrus.com/Shopping_Cart/pentax.asp
> >
> >Why in the world would someone spend 10-12 bucks for a manual that they
> >could obtain from Pentax for
> >$4.00? 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Later,
> >Gary
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RE: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Paul M. Provencher

Boy, I sure hesistate to comment but here goes...

I wonder if you first asked him if he would mind if you made a photo of him?  That 
might have taken the edge off asking him pose.

Also, it might not have been a very good day.  I guess I shouldn't be making excuses 
for him but I can't imagine that being in the
public light is really all the easy.  I would think you'd have to be aloof sometimes 
just for the sake of self preservation.

FWIW

ppro

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Michael A.'s an ASS
>
>
>
> >> "Star and Stooges"  I like it!  You've hit it right on!  I always
> >> liked Eddie Irvine because he took the money and sucked up to Michael
> >> without pretending that it was anything else...  Don't get me wrong,
> >> I'm a HUGE Ferrari fan and I hope Michael wins the championship again
> >> and ties Fangio for 5.
>
>
> But Michael Andretti's an ass. I had a pit pass once and took some nice
> candids of a number of drivers. But the best shot of the day eluded me. I
> was wandering alone in back of a garage, when the most amazing scene
> presented itself to my camera. It was simply a window, but the crowded
> stands and blowing flags were reflected in part of it. Through it I could
> see out the front of the garage where there was an Indy car and a throng of
> fans. Sitting just inside the window, with his head right where the window
> was open, was Michael Andretti. He was talking to a mechanic, just shooting
> the breeze. Well, I was about three feet from him, and the window was open.
> I had the picture just perfectly framed. It was _glorious_, one of those
> setups you just come across once in a blue moon--that makes your heart pound
> until you know you've gotten it in the can; the kind of shot where you'll
> mark the roll so you can treat it with extra care. You couldn't even invent
> a shot that nice. It wouldn't occur to you that it could all go together so
> well.
>
> All I needed was for Andretti to turn his head and glance out the window.
>
> Too much to ask, it turned out. I waited until the mechanic he was talking
> to walked away, and asked very politely if he wouldn't mind looking at the
> stands for just a moment. He ignored me. I waited a few moments and asked
> again. Finally I tried explaining that I had a very nice picture framed and
> just needed _someone_ to be looking out the window, so, even if he didn't
> want his own picture taken, would he mind asking the mechanic to come sit
> where he was sitting and just look towards the stand for five seconds?
>
> Slowly and deliberately, he finished his soda, got up and walked away. Never
> once glanced my way, never answered. No chance he didn't hear me, unless
> he's stone deaf--I was a yard and a half from the guy.
>
> I've got one word for that guy: PRICK. Selfish, swell-headed, self-centered,
> rude prick. (Uh, well, okay, so that's seven words.)
>
> I'll never wish the guy anything but ill. I don't hope he crashes, but I'll
> always hate him.
>
> --Mike
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Re: And did I mention wrong

2002-01-19 Thread John Mustarde

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:57:58 +0100, you wrote:
snip
> that wave quality of
>light DOES influence macroscopic qualities of image in such a way that
>there is no absolute sharpness even at macroscopic scale, not only
>quantum scale. What I am referencing to is Law of diffraction &
>Huygens' principe. 

I don't know about all that technical stuff, but I do know it's near
impossible to get a Sharp shot of a little yellow duckling in the
first days after hatching.

I can get some of the yellow down sharp, but the lil' ducky's finest
down is impossible to resolve, even with the best technique and
lenses. The down must need over 100 lpm resolution, and it's pretty
low in contrast to its surroundings, even on water reflecting a bright
blue sky. Self-defense mechanism? Maybe predators have a hard time
seeing a fuzzy yellow ducky also.

--
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OT: Another dumb computer question

2002-01-19 Thread William Robb

Hi;
 I am trying to set up a cheap and dirty "network" using a
second ethernet card on my main computer attached directly to an
ethernet card on my secondary machine.
I am told it is possible to do this, but am wondering how?
Please reply privately so as not to clutter up the list with off
topic traffic
(like as if I have developed a conscience about it<>)
thanks

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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Steve Larson

Here`s a wide open shot with the 135/2.3:
http://pug.komkon.org/01may/WoodDuck.html
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: "Paul F. Stregevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?


> Fred wrote:
> How is the bokeh with that Vivitar S-1 135/2.3 ?
>
> I guess I'm not a bokeh fanatic; I haven't paid attention. I use this lens
> exclusively to shoot indoor school events, and I'm just happy if the kids
> and sets look sharp. I've just reviewed some JPEGs of a recent production
I
> shot, and I don't even notice any attributes of the out-of-focus zones.
> Steve Larson, John Mustarde, any other owner, care to comment?
>
>
> Paul Franklin Stregevsky
> 13 Selby Court
> Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> H (301) 349-5243
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Czech online Pentax dealer

2002-01-19 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Recently someone was asking for URLs for online Pentax dealers in the Czech 
Republic area. Here's another:

http://www.fotopentaxjavurek.cz/objektnew.htm

Paul Franklin Stregevsky
13 Selby Court
Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410
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Re: End of OM

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

That is sad.

Wasn't there a bottom of the line OM, plastic body, made by Cosina, I think.  Maybe
the OM 10?  I remember that Cosina used the same chassis to make FM10's for Nikon,
Vivitar SLR's.

I wonder why Olympus wouldn't continue to market that?  Or do they not sell those
anymore.  No big deal, I guess, it's not a "real" OM anyway.

It's sad to see the end of a fine line of cameras like this.

regards,
frank



> Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I suppose many of you have heard this already, but yesterday Olympus Optical
> >Co. announced the end of the OM line.
>
> S--

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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

Yeah, but Micheal Andretti is still an ass.

I was glad he sucked in F1.  It made Jacques Villeneuve's accomplishment a
few years later (being as they both went from CART to F1) all the much
sweeter.

OTOH, Schumacher is one of the most arrogant people I've ever seen (which is
not to say that he isn't approachable or friendly with fans) - it's just
that he's so damned good, his arrogance is in some instances, justified.  He
is certainly one of the greatest ever:  ranks up there with Fangio, Moss,
Clark, Senna, et al.  And the scary thing is, he's still at his peak - Lord
knows what records he'll have if he stays healthy.

-frank



Ed Mathews wrote:

> But Mike, nobody's talking about Michael Andretti.  The Michael referred
> to is Michael Schumacher, current world champion and Ferrari driver.
> Michael Andretti never drove for Ferrari - he only drove for McClaren
> for 2/3 of a season then got fired.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
> http://lightandsilver.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Johnston
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:01 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Michael A.'s an ASS
> >
> >
> > >> "Star and Stooges"  I like it!  You've hit it right on!  I always
> > >> liked Eddie Irvine because he took the money and sucked up
> > to Michael
> > >> without pretending that it was anything else...  Don't get
> > me wrong,
> > >> I'm a HUGE Ferrari fan and I hope Michael wins the
> > championship again
> > >> and ties Fangio for 5.
> >
> >
> > But Michael Andretti's an ass. I had a pit pass once and took
> 
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RE: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I have the same experience, and also did I never handed over my camera.
There is one thing you need to realise: you have a Pentax hanging around
your neck, so there is no desire to take the camera which was handed to you
and run. The other way around: obviously there is every reason to fear
someone would take a Pentax. Did I mention I am a Pentax fan?

Frits Wüthrich


Len Paris observed:
> As many times as strangers have asked me to take a picture of
> them, using their camera, over these many years, I can't
> remember a single time that I've ever asked a stranger to take a
> picture of me using my camera.
>
> I guess that means that I would never hand over my camera to a
> stranger.  Odd, and perhaps very selfish of me.  I never really
> thought about it before.  Perhaps it's because I was born and
> raised in a fairly big city.
>
> Len
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Re: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Peter Alling

Not everyone knows that.  (That's why there are no stupid questions).

At 04:11 PM 1/19/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:49:21 -0800, Jim Moniz wrote:
>
> >http://www.manualsrus.com/Shopping_Cart/pentax.asp
>
>Why in the world would someone spend 10-12 bucks for a manual that they 
>could obtain from Pentax for
>$4.00? 
>
>
>
>
>
>Later,
>Gary
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Re: LX & FLASH

2002-01-19 Thread Cotty

>Blue Peter has a lot to answer for ;-)
>
>I bet you made advent candle holders out of two coat hangers and some 
>tinsel when you were a lad, didn't you.

Hi Wendy. Actually it was LEGO

Cubic yards of it, couldn't get enough. The great thing is, now with my 8 
yr old son, I'm getting to do it all again

8-)

Cotty

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Agfa Vista film

2002-01-19 Thread photo-e-mail

Hello!

I wonder if somebody have already tried Agfa Vista film
(any of 100, 400, 800).
If so, what's you impression of it compared to 
a) Agfa HDC
b) Agfa Optima
c) Agfa Vista of other speed.

Thanks a lot!

Igor
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RE: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread J. C. O'Connell

> I know I said I was going to wait unitl I found some good buy it 
> nows to pick up
> the 300/4 6x7  and the 55/4. Last night, a late model SMCP 300/4 
> went up with a
> $595 BIN. The seller, who has a very good rating, marked it 
> excellent. KEH had one
> at $950 as an excellent plus and another at more than $1050 plus 
> as a like new. I
> asked JCO what to do. He answered in an enabling way. But still, 
> I waited. This
> afternoon the lens was still there. I rationalized that I could 
> easily sell it for
> $595 if I had to. So I bought it. The 6x7 klit is shaping up.
> Paul

If its as good or better than my SMCT/67 300mm F4, your gonna
love it! Good Luck,
JCO
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

I know I said I was going to wait unitl I found some good buy it nows to pick up
the 300/4 6x7  and the 55/4. Last night, a late model SMCP 300/4 went up with a
$595 BIN. The seller, who has a very good rating, marked it excellent. KEH had one
at $950 as an excellent plus and another at more than $1050 plus as a like new. I
asked JCO what to do. He answered in an enabling way. But still, I waited. This
afternoon the lens was still there. I rationalized that I could easily sell it for
$595 if I had to. So I bought it. The 6x7 klit is shaping up.
Paul
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Re: Travelling and Photography

2002-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I override web colors with my own background and fonts in
Netscape - helps a lot!
annsan

"Paris, Leonard" wrote:
> 
> Yeah black background with blue text really sucks, doesn't it?  Of course,
> it could be worse.  Black background with purple text, or blue background
> with purple text, or green background with purple or blue text.  We get to
> see all of the hard to read combinations on the web.  It makes you wonder if
> folks with websites ever surf the web themselves.  Surely they do the
> designs with some other colors or they'd go blind putting their websites up.
> 
> Len
> ---
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:41 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Travelling and Photography
> 
> I don't understand why people write a decent opinion piece and then insist
> on making it impossible to read.
> 
> Doug
> back to work
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Fred wrote:
How is the bokeh with that Vivitar S-1 135/2.3 ?

I guess I'm not a bokeh fanatic; I haven't paid attention. I use this lens 
exclusively to shoot indoor school events, and I'm just happy if the kids 
and sets look sharp. I've just reviewed some JPEGs of a recent production I 
shot, and I don't even notice any attributes of the out-of-focus zones. 
Steve Larson, John Mustarde, any other owner, care to comment?


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Sorry can't keep up. until next time

2002-01-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Well , neither can I but I don't tell everyone! hardyhar

William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "herb greenslade"
> Subject: Sorry can't keep up. until next time
> 
> > unsubscribe pentax-discuss
> 
> Wimp.
> 
> HAR!!
> WW

Well , neither can I but I don't tell everyone! hardyhar
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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

You're right, Cory, it is hard to believe anyone could be so rude.

I've run into a very few sports stars, and fortunately, all were very nice, and
actually engaged in conversations.

My most memorable was Maurice "Rocket" Richard, hockey star for the Montreal
Canadiens in the 40's and 50's.  He became a cultural icon to French Canadians,
and has attained near-mythic status.  I bumped into him in an airport about 20
years ago - he actually sat down next to me (I was there first).  I was almost
afraid to say anything to him, because he had a reputation for being a hot-head,
at least as a player.

Turned out he was very nice, and we talked for about 15 minutes until they
called for his plane.  He stood up, held out his hand to shake mine, told me it
was nice talking to me, and left.

On the other hand, I didn't have a camera.  Not to make excuses for M. Andretti,
who I don't like either on or off the track, but maybe when you have cameras
pushed in your face all day, you don't have much patience for such things.
OTOH, "no thanks, I don't want my picture taken right now" was all that was
required, wasn't it?

You're right, Mike, he is a prick.

regards,
frank

CBWaters wrote:

> WOW.
> That's some story.  Hard to believe someone could be SO rude.
> I gota tell ya though, I like the heart-warming stories of people, Pentax,
> and papa a lot better.
>

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A few P67 shots

2002-01-19 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Got my darkroom going today. Still waiting
for the 105mm enlarging lens but used my
80mm for the time being. Sure is nice to be
able to print again.

Heres two shots using the 45mm F4:

www.gate.net/~hifisapi/Inlet.jpg

www.gate.net/~hifisapi/condo.jpg

Heres two using the 300mm F4:

www.gate.net/~hifisapi/pelican.jpg

www.gate.net/~hifisapi/outboards.jpg

Sorry for the big files, but its impossible
to even begin to see the details in these prints
without at least a few hundred Kbytes. My
scanner kinda sucks for B&W too.

Based on the pelican pic ,the 300mm has
pretty decent bokeh. The 45mm has too
much DOF to see it's bokeh, need to take
some closeups to check that out.
Laters,
JCO
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Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild

2002-01-19 Thread Oliver Raymond

hehehehehehehehehe what, awaken the usenet flame beast on
PURPOSE 

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild


> "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Get out dictionary. See metaphor.
> >
> >Literal minded comes to mind, so does anal-retentive. I think Mark
changing
> >it from instrument was stupid, catering to the ignorant always is.
>
> Hey, post that stuff to the Usenet discussion! Get those people arguing
again
> ;-)
>
> --
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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hmmm ... a story that seems somewhat typical of the big "stars" in
sports these days.

I recall Mario Andretti as being very accessible and friendly, but that
was back in the days when any spectator could buy a pit pass and wander
freely amongst the cars, drivers and mechanics.

As a counterpoint to Mike's tale, I'd like to pass along a much more
positive story.  When I was in high school I was a big fan of motor
sports, and Ferrari cars and drivers were my favorites.  This was when
Phil Hill, Wolfgang von Trips, Stirling Moss, Richie Ginther, and others
were in their prime.  I learned that Luigi Chinetti, the importer of
Ferrari at the time, had a shop in NYC, and I went down there one
Saturday morning, mostly just to stand outside and gawk.  The shop was
open, and I wandered inside, loving every moment of my proximity to the
shining red cars with the prancing horse emblem.

At one point I stuck my head around a corner, and there, right before
me, was the garage area.  Oh, all those gleaming red cars and snorting
12 cylinder engines - even as I write these words the memories of my
youthful joy brings a tear to my eye.  And there, in the corner, almost
looking abandoned, was "La Barchetta", the little boat, a Type 166 Mille
Miglia, the car that Chinetti himself drove at LeMans in 1949, one of
only three or four ever made.  Oh, the joy!  I couldn't help myself, and
I slowly, quietly, walked over to it, standing close enough to smell the
leather of the driver's seat, touching the tires ever so gently, afraid
of doing some damage, breathing in the history, and imagining the speed
and excitement of racing down the Mulsanne Straight.  

When I left that day I knew that I was coming back.  And the next
Saturday I returned, this time with a little camera loaded with color
film.  I took some snapshots of the cars, the garage area, of the
mechanics at work - if only I could capture the sound of those marvelous
engines as the mechanics revved them - their snarling exhaust and their
deep breathing through six dual barreled, downdraft Weber carburetors,
muffled only slightly by wire mesh air filters.  I was in heaven.

I went back to the shop many times, always on Saturday mornings. At no
time did anyone ever ask me to leave, or to not take pictures, or to
stop drooling on the cars. It seemed as if no one even noticed me.  And
then, one Saturday morning, Luigi Chinetti himself came up to me, and
asked if I'd be kind enough to help the mechanic move "La Barchetta" -
if it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Imagine how I felt when the
mechanic suggested that I sit in the car and steer it while he and Luigi
pushed it across the garage to its new spot in the morning sun.  Man,
the memory of that moment, and the following moment when Luigi and the
mechanic asked if I'd be kind enough to take a picture of them standing
by that marvelous red machine.  

Mike Johnston wrote:

> But Michael Andretti's an ass. 
> [...] I tried explaining that I had a very nice picture framed and
> just needed _someone_ to be looking out the window, so, even if he didn't
> want his own picture taken, would he mind asking the mechanic to come sit
> where he was sitting and just look towards the stand for five seconds?
> 
> Slowly and deliberately, he finished his soda, got up and walked away. Never
> once glanced my way, never answered. No chance he didn't hear me, unless
> he's stone deaf--I was a yard and a half from the guy.
> 
> I've got one word for that guy: PRICK. Selfish, swell-headed, self-centered,
> rude prick. (Uh, well, okay, so that's seven words.)

-- 
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RE: LX Purchase (was: Pentax Optio)

2002-01-19 Thread Cotty

>Wohooo 
>  Got it!!!
>Now I've got the LX wink ;-)
>I went into the shop and the camera is not mint but not far of.
>Ended up walking out with camera ER case instuction book and strap for
>£330!!
>We are going to see friend this afternoon and guess what camera is going
>with me ;-)
>Alan

Well done Alan. Chalk another one up, Albano!

Cotty

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Re: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Len Paris

They are hoping that they won't even have to spend the four
bucks, I guess.  Must get their cameras and film free, too.

Len
---

> Why in the world would someone spend 10-12 bucks for a manual
that they could obtain from Pentax for
> $4.00? 

> Later,
> Gary
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RE: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread J. C. O'Connell

As far as I have been able to find out , every lens ever
made for the 67 series of cameras will work on all
the bodies.
JCO

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:25 AM
> To: PDML
> Subject: P67 info
> 
> 
> So, for all of you 67 owners out there, perhaps you can answer a
> question for me.  I am very familiar with the 35mm lenses, and their
> features - M42, K, M, A, F, FA.  I would like to know more about the
> 67 lenses and backward compatibility - I would be considering the 67II
> - is there any issues or concerns with old vs. new glass?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
>  Bruce Dayton
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Re: OT: Eddie - was: Rubens (Was: Re: Insanity test)

2002-01-19 Thread frank theriault

My favourite Eddie Irvine story:

He was asked about the design of his helmet, which is orange and green.  He
explained that he's from Northern Ireland and Protestant, so the orange is
his Orangeman heritage.  He was then asked why he had green.

He said, "so the Catholics don't blow my f*g head off!"

-frank

Ed Mathews wrote:

> He uses the same brutally honest approach in defense of his womanizing
> off the track too, and that seems to works for him also.  Nobody can say
> he's not having his fun while he can. :)
>

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Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild

2002-01-19 Thread Mark Roberts

"Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Get out dictionary. See metaphor.
>
>Literal minded comes to mind, so does anal-retentive. I think Mark changing
>it from instrument was stupid, catering to the ignorant always is.

Hey, post that stuff to the Usenet discussion! Get those people arguing again
;-)

-- 
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Re: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Gary Murphy

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:49:21 -0800, Jim Moniz wrote:

>http://www.manualsrus.com/Shopping_Cart/pentax.asp

Why in the world would someone spend 10-12 bucks for a manual that they could obtain 
from Pentax for 
$4.00? 





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Gary
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Re: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Jim Moniz

> So how about the manual?
> 
> Cory

http://www.manualsrus.com/Shopping_Cart/pentax.asp

Jim
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread David A. Mann

Bruce Dayton wrote:

> So, for all of you 67 owners out there, perhaps you can answer a
> question for me.  I am very familiar with the 35mm lenses, and their
> features - M42, K, M, A, F, FA.  I would like to know more about the
> 67 lenses and backward compatibility - I would be considering the 67II
> - is there any issues or concerns with old vs. new glass?

 As far as I know the 67 mount hasn't changed.  All the glass should fit on any 
body.

Cheers,

- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)

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 while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Gary Murphy

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:00:50 -0600, Mike Johnston wrote:

>I'll never wish the guy anything but ill. I don't hope he crashes, but I'll
>always hate him. 

That seems to happen all to often when "stars" let it go to their heads It's 
really a shame that some of them 
act that way. Guess that's way I liked Dale Earnherdt so much. Every time I was around 
the track when he was 
there, he would always take time for things like you mentioned. I guess he never 
forgot where he came from..





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Gary
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Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?

2002-01-19 Thread Gary Murphy

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:15:41 -0500, Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

>Actually it means Massey-Furguson. MF is painted right on their tractors. On
>the other hand it means something that starts with moth and and ends with
>ker. But, then you are welcome to use it however you wish.

Tom,

You owe me a monitor. Not sure that Coke mixes to well with the electrons floating 
around in them. :-)





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Re: Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread CBWaters

WOW.
That's some story.  Hard to believe someone could be SO rude.
I gota tell ya though, I like the heart-warming stories of people, Pentax,
and papa a lot better.

Cory Waters


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: Michael A.'s an ASS


> >> "Star and Stooges"  I like it!  You've hit it right on!  I always
> >> liked Eddie Irvine because he took the money and sucked up to Michael
> >> without pretending that it was anything else...  Don't get me wrong,
> >> I'm a HUGE Ferrari fan and I hope Michael wins the championship again
> >> and ties Fangio for 5.
>
>
> But Michael Andretti's an ass. I had a pit pass once and took some nice
> candids of a number of drivers. But the best shot of the day eluded me. I
> was wandering alone in back of a garage, when the most amazing scene
> presented itself to my camera. It was simply a window, but the crowded
> stands and blowing flags were reflected in part of it. Through it I could
> see out the front of the garage where there was an Indy car and a throng
of
> fans. Sitting just inside the window, with his head right where the window
> was open, was Michael Andretti. He was talking to a mechanic, just
shooting
> the breeze. Well, I was about three feet from him, and the window was
open.
> I had the picture just perfectly framed. It was _glorious_, one of those
> setups you just come across once in a blue moon--that makes your heart
pound
> until you know you've gotten it in the can; the kind of shot where you'll
> mark the roll so you can treat it with extra care. You couldn't even
invent
> a shot that nice. It wouldn't occur to you that it could all go together
so
> well.
>
> All I needed was for Andretti to turn his head and glance out the window.
>
> Too much to ask, it turned out. I waited until the mechanic he was talking
> to walked away, and asked very politely if he wouldn't mind looking at the
> stands for just a moment. He ignored me. I waited a few moments and asked
> again. Finally I tried explaining that I had a very nice picture framed
and
> just needed _someone_ to be looking out the window, so, even if he didn't
> want his own picture taken, would he mind asking the mechanic to come sit
> where he was sitting and just look towards the stand for five seconds?
>
> Slowly and deliberately, he finished his soda, got up and walked away.
Never
> once glanced my way, never answered. No chance he didn't hear me, unless
> he's stone deaf--I was a yard and a half from the guy.
>
> I've got one word for that guy: PRICK. Selfish, swell-headed,
self-centered,
> rude prick. (Uh, well, okay, so that's seven words.)
>
> I'll never wish the guy anything but ill. I don't hope he crashes, but
I'll
> always hate him.
>
> --Mike
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Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?

2002-01-19 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Actually it means Massey-Furguson. MF is painted right on their tractors. On
the other hand it means something that starts with moth and and ends with
ker. But, then you are welcome to use it however you wish.

Ciao,
graywolf
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- Original Message -
From: Anthony Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?


> True enough, but don't hold your breath waiting for the wide world of
> photography to follow your lead.  I for one will not contradict the
> established
> usage.
>
> BTY I'm not deaf.
>
> Regards,
> Anthony Farr
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> (snip)
> >
> > THE MEMBERS OF THE PDML HAVE ~EVERY~ RIGHT (I.E., IT IS ~ENTIRELY~
> > WITHIN THEIR PREROGATIVE) TO DECIDE SOMETHING FOR THEMSELVES,
> > ~REGARDLESS~ WHAT SOME "LONG ESTABLISHED TRADITION" MIGHT BE
> > ELSEWHERE !!!
> >
> > (And the fact that we could probably never all get together and
> > agree to any one thing is not relevant to the truth of the previous
> > paragraph.)
> >
> > Fred
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

> Ctein has, indeed, published some test results of 67 lenses.  At least
> some were published in Ed Buziak's magazine - Camera & Darkroom.  Here's
> one review:
> 
> http://www.camera-and-darkroom.co.uk/issue40.html


Thanks Shel--glad some of that work of his is "out there."

--Mike
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Michael A.'s an ASS

2002-01-19 Thread Mike Johnston

>> "Star and Stooges"  I like it!  You've hit it right on!  I always
>> liked Eddie Irvine because he took the money and sucked up to Michael
>> without pretending that it was anything else...  Don't get me wrong,
>> I'm a HUGE Ferrari fan and I hope Michael wins the championship again
>> and ties Fangio for 5.


But Michael Andretti's an ass. I had a pit pass once and took some nice
candids of a number of drivers. But the best shot of the day eluded me. I
was wandering alone in back of a garage, when the most amazing scene
presented itself to my camera. It was simply a window, but the crowded
stands and blowing flags were reflected in part of it. Through it I could
see out the front of the garage where there was an Indy car and a throng of
fans. Sitting just inside the window, with his head right where the window
was open, was Michael Andretti. He was talking to a mechanic, just shooting
the breeze. Well, I was about three feet from him, and the window was open.
I had the picture just perfectly framed. It was _glorious_, one of those
setups you just come across once in a blue moon--that makes your heart pound
until you know you've gotten it in the can; the kind of shot where you'll
mark the roll so you can treat it with extra care. You couldn't even invent
a shot that nice. It wouldn't occur to you that it could all go together so
well.

All I needed was for Andretti to turn his head and glance out the window.

Too much to ask, it turned out. I waited until the mechanic he was talking
to walked away, and asked very politely if he wouldn't mind looking at the
stands for just a moment. He ignored me. I waited a few moments and asked
again. Finally I tried explaining that I had a very nice picture framed and
just needed _someone_ to be looking out the window, so, even if he didn't
want his own picture taken, would he mind asking the mechanic to come sit
where he was sitting and just look towards the stand for five seconds?

Slowly and deliberately, he finished his soda, got up and walked away. Never
once glanced my way, never answered. No chance he didn't hear me, unless
he's stone deaf--I was a yard and a half from the guy.

I've got one word for that guy: PRICK. Selfish, swell-headed, self-centered,
rude prick. (Uh, well, okay, so that's seven words.)

I'll never wish the guy anything but ill. I don't hope he crashes, but I'll
always hate him. 

--Mike
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Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild

2002-01-19 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Get out dictionary. See metaphor.

Literal minded comes to mind, so does anal-retentive. I think Mark changing
it from instrument was stupid, catering to the ignorant always is.

Ciao,
graywolf
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From: Oliver Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild


My only concern is
1) how many members of PDML are on their membership list
2) how anyone could match a acoustic, camera and a musical instrument (ok,
apart from shutter .wav files)

a·cous·tic (-kstk)
adj. also a·cous·ti·cal (-st-kl)
  1.. Of or relating to sound, the sense of hearing, or the science of
sound.
  2..
1.. Designed to carry sound or to aid in hearing.
2.. Designed to absorb or control sound: acoustic tile.
  3.. Music.
1.. Of or being an instrument that does not produce or enhance sound
electronically: an acoustic guitar; an acoustic bass.
2.. Being a performance that features such instruments: opened the show
with an acoustic set.
n. Music
  An acoustic instrument.
3) how curmugeonly i have become in my old age to not realise this is
perfect troll material ;)

4) I have a sinar P2 - can I join??... 

:)

Oliver

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild


> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Rittenhouse"
> Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild
>
>
> > Ah ha! A secret society. Why haven't I been invited in? Is it
> just because I
> > don't know the handshake, or is it a broader issue, maybe
> prejudice? Perhaps
> > you don't like curmudgeons?
>
> No curmudgeons? They didn't mention that when I signed on.
>
> William Robb
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Cory,
This one is a list message. Everyone got it. Shel just referenced Mike, because
it was in response to his earlier messages. Perhaps you need a nap :-)
Paul

CBWaters wrote:

> what IS up here...
> I'm not Mike, either.  I think that Virus might have gotten you a little
> mixed up.
>
> Cory
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: P67 info
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > Ctein has, indeed, published some test results of 67 lenses.  At least
> > some were published in Ed Buziak's magazine - Camera & Darkroom.  Here's
> > one review:
> >
> > http://www.camera-and-darkroom.co.uk/issue40.html
> >
> > and you can search the site to see if there are others.
> >
> > Ed sent me that issue, and I may - doubtful, but possible - still have
> > it.
> >
> > Mike Johnston wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, for all of you 67 owners out there, perhaps you can answer a
> > > > question for me.  I am very familiar with the 35mm lenses, and their
> > > > features - M42, K, M, A, F, FA.  I would like to know more about the
> > > > 67 lenses and backward compatibility - I would be considering the 67II
> > > > - - is there any issues or concerns with old vs. new glass?
> > >
> > > This doesn't really speak to your question, Bruce, but my friend Ctein,
> who
> > > has been writing for U.S. photography magazines for nearly 30 years, has
> > > always photographed with a Pentax 6x7. He did a number of direct tests
> of
> > > old and new lenses, and discovered that some of the newer designs are
> far
> > > superior. I don't know if he's published his results or not, but if
> you'd
> > > like me to ask him to comment on specifics for the benefit of the list,
> I'd
> > > be happy to.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shel Belinkoff
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

The K135/2.5 is among my most used lenses, and it appears to yield results that
are similar in color and sharpness to the K85/1.8. And, as I've stated earlier,
I've also had great success with the Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5. However, there's
a big "but" attached to that. I rarely make any wet prints from color film, be
it negative or transparency. I scan the film and print digitally. So if there
is a lack of saturation or contrast, I adjust for that in PhotoShop. I haven't
really studied original transparencies at great length for apparent
differences. And very few scans look great right out of the box. But, in terms
of end results, the Vivitar is certainly capable of producing deep, vibrant
color, as are the two Pentax lenses. However, I may undertake a comparison of
the 85/1.8 Pentax and the 90/2.5 Series 1 Vivitar on transparency film. I think
that would be interesting.
Paul

Steve Larson wrote:

> Shel, it sounds like the K85/1.8 is a superb lens. I`ll have to go through
> those slides again and find those that I shot with yours. I never noticed
> that the Vivitar was not so vivid with colors, but that is an interesting
> comparison.  I`m going to have to compare it to a Pentax in a side
> by side shoot.
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Re: For the enablers

2002-01-19 Thread CBWaters

Count yourself lucky Paul.  There are those in the world that are better
left unknown.

Cory Waters
Knows several Bevis-like characters.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: For the enablers


> Cotty wrote:
>
> >
> > Whoooaaa! Cool - hilk hilk - he said 'but' !
> >
> > Beavis
> >
>
> I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with this Beavis person and don't
understand
> your post.
> Paul
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Mike Johnston wrote:

>
>
> ...my friend Ctein,... did a number of direct tests of
> old and new lenses, and discovered that some of the newer designs are far
> superior. I don't know if he's published his results or not, but if you'd
> like me to ask him to comment on specifics for the benefit of the list, I'd
> be happy to.
>

That would be great, Mike. The information on 6x7 lenses that I've found is
inconsistent. Ctein's commentary would be great, particularly in terms of SMC
Tak versions vs. contemporary versions.
Paul
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Re: For the enablers

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Cotty wrote:

>
> Whoooaaa! Cool - hilk hilk - he said 'but' !
>
> Beavis
>

I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with this Beavis person and don't understand
your post.
Paul
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Re: Super Program manual online?

2002-01-19 Thread Bob Rapp

Oops,
Next time, I will look!

Bob
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Subject: Re: Super Program manual online?


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << My Super A did!! I need a winder cover for my P5/50.   >>
>
> Bob,
> Look again.  The camera's mechanical parts extend down into the space for
any
> winder cover.  There are only two winder covers I know of for the Super A,
> Super Program.  They are the Winder MEII and the Motor Drive A. 
> Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?

2002-01-19 Thread Len Paris

Artur,

I think that, in this case, where there probably wasn't room to
spell out the words, the context makes the meaning perfectly
clear.  After all, you can always Read The Friendly Manual
(RTFM) if you are not sure.  We have had some messages here
where there was no clue in the context, in which case all we can
do is assume the widely accepted meaning.

I've never been too lazy to spell things out when I think there
may be doubt or confusion.  If a person's point is worth
communicating, it's worth being sure that everyone understands
what he, or she, meant.

Len
---

> Hmmm... perhaps producers should should be informed about
this, since they
> confuse the matter placing the "AF" and "MF" marks on their
35mm babies,
> near focus mode switches...:)
> Greetz
> Artur
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Re[2]: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread Bruce Dayton

Mike,

I would really appreciate it.  As I contemplate making the move up to
67 I would like to be as informed as I can be.

Thanks,

Bruce Dayton



Saturday, January 19, 2002, 9:17:25 AM, you wrote:

>> So, for all of you 67 owners out there, perhaps you can answer a
>> question for me.  I am very familiar with the 35mm lenses, and their
>> features - M42, K, M, A, F, FA.  I would like to know more about the
>> 67 lenses and backward compatibility - I would be considering the 67II
>> - - is there any issues or concerns with old vs. new glass?


MJ> This doesn't really speak to your question, Bruce, but my friend Ctein, who
MJ> has been writing for U.S. photography magazines for nearly 30 years, has
MJ> always photographed with a Pentax 6x7. He did a number of direct tests of
MJ> old and new lenses, and discovered that some of the newer designs are far
MJ> superior. I don't know if he's published his results or not, but if you'd
MJ> like me to ask him to comment on specifics for the benefit of the list, I'd
MJ> be happy to. 

MJ> --Mike
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Re: End of OM

2002-01-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I'm saddened by this.  The OM was a great system, and offered some
unusual and very desirable lenses, as well as a superb metering system.

Another great camera, the Leica R 6.2, has also recently been
discontinued.  

RIP LX, OM, R6.2 ... the last of a breed.

Mike Johnston wrote:
> 
> I suppose many of you have heard this already, 
> but yesterday Olympus Optical Co. announced 
> the end of the OM line.

-- 
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Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild

2002-01-19 Thread Oliver Raymond

My only concern is
1) how many members of PDML are on their membership list
2) how anyone could match a acoustic, camera and a musical instrument (ok,
apart from shutter .wav files)

a·cous·tic (-kstk)
adj. also a·cous·ti·cal (-st-kl)
  1.. Of or relating to sound, the sense of hearing, or the science of
sound.
  2..
1.. Designed to carry sound or to aid in hearing.
2.. Designed to absorb or control sound: acoustic tile.
  3.. Music.
1.. Of or being an instrument that does not produce or enhance sound
electronically: an acoustic guitar; an acoustic bass.
2.. Being a performance that features such instruments: opened the show
with an acoustic set.
n. Music
  An acoustic instrument.
3) how curmugeonly i have become in my old age to not realise this is
perfect troll material ;)

4) I have a sinar P2 - can I join??... 

:)

Oliver

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild


> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Rittenhouse"
> Subject: Re: The Acoustic Photographer's Guild
>
>
> > Ah ha! A secret society. Why haven't I been invited in? Is it
> just because I
> > don't know the handshake, or is it a broader issue, maybe
> prejudice? Perhaps
> > you don't like curmudgeons?
>
> No curmudgeons? They didn't mention that when I signed on.
>
> William Robb
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Do you really want to know the answer to that?  Chips get soft because
they contain less moisture than bread, and when left out, they absorb
moisture.  Bread, OTOH, contains more moisture, which, in time,
evaporates, and the bread gets harder.

CBWaters wrote:

> why does bread get hard when left out while chips get soft?

-- 
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RE: OT: Rubens (Was: Re: Insanity test)

2002-01-19 Thread Ed Mathews

He uses the same brutally honest approach in defense of his womanizing
off the track too, and that seems to works for him also.  Nobody can say
he's not having his fun while he can. :)

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matjaz Osojnik
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 11:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT: Rubens (Was: Re: Insanity test)
> 
> 
> Yep. I liked Irvine for the same reason.
> 
> Matjaz
> 
> > "Star and Stooges"  I like it!  You've hit it right on!  I always 
> > liked Eddie Irvine because he took the money and sucked up 
> to Michael 
> > without pretending that it was anything else...  Don't get 

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RE: OT - Insanity test

2002-01-19 Thread Ed Mathews

Yes, now I recall.  Seems the Porsche TAG McClaren was the most reliable
of the bunch, and the BMW inline 4 in the Brabham was the most
powerfull.  Hard to imagine all that power in 1.5 liters.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christian 
> Skofteland
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:50 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT - Insanity test
> 
> 
> Those were turbo V-6's in the early '80's.  1500hp in 
> qualifying trim tuned down to 1000 in race trim  Amazing. 
>  Michael Schumacher drove one as a publicity thing a couple 
> of years ago and was scared of the power and the way it is so 
> different than his modern ride.

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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread CBWaters

OH Crap!
Darn outlook filters run amuck!
I think Microsoft is part of the conspiracy...

Cory Waters
why does bread get hard when left out while chips get soft?

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From: "CBWaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?


> did you mean to send this to Steve or are you part of the conspiracy to
> drive me insane?
>
>
> BTW, Sunday morning (Feb 10) sounds of AFAIK.  What's to do?  Also, I'll
be
> at the Marriott in Oakland I think.
>
> Cory
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
>
>
> > Steve, if you recall, I used your Viv1 135mm to photograph some parrots
> > when we went to the zoo in Santa Barbara last year.  I only shot three
> > or four frames with it, and then went back to using the Pentax K85/1.8.
> > When the photos were printed, it was obvious that the color saturation -
> > the vividness of the colors - was noticeably less than that of the
> > K85/1.8.  Granted, the photo was quite sharp and detailed, but I was
> > surprised at the difference in color quality.  Have you ever made some
> > direct comparisons in this area with other lenses?  It might be
> > interesting to compare the K135/2.5 with your Vivitar.
> >
> > Paul sent me some lenses to play around with, and I think one was a
> > wide-angle Viv1.  If so, I'll compare it to some Pentax and other lenses
> > with a similar focal length - and will finally be able to check the
> > 50/1.2 focusing you asked about, too.
> >
> >
> > Steve Larson wrote:
> > >
> > > I can agree with that. I do not have any experience with the Pentax
> 135/2.5,
> > > but I can attest to the
> > > VS1 135/2.3 as being a great lens, especially the K-mount variety with
> the
> > > superb coatings.
> > > Steve Larson
> > > Redondo Beach, California
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
> > >
> > > > Fred wrote:
> > > > Almost as fast as the Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3 (and more plentiful
> > > > and often less expensive), and a superb lens in its own right, is
> > > > the K 135/2.5 ("the poor man's A* 135/1.8").
> > > >
> > > > Fred,
> > > > The SMC 135/2.5K is a fine performer from f/5.6 onward. But it has
not
> > > lived up to my hopes at f/2.5 to f/4. That's why, though I already
owned
> the
> > > K, I bought the Vivitar. (That, and the Vivitar's 0.9 m close focus).
I
> > > think my fellow Series One enthusiast Steve Larson would agree.
> > > >
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Re: P67 info

2002-01-19 Thread CBWaters

what IS up here...
I'm not Mike, either.  I think that Virus might have gotten you a little
mixed up.

Cory

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Subject: Re: P67 info


> Hi Mike,
>
> Ctein has, indeed, published some test results of 67 lenses.  At least
> some were published in Ed Buziak's magazine - Camera & Darkroom.  Here's
> one review:
>
> http://www.camera-and-darkroom.co.uk/issue40.html
>
> and you can search the site to see if there are others.
>
> Ed sent me that issue, and I may - doubtful, but possible - still have
> it.
>
> Mike Johnston wrote:
> >
> > > So, for all of you 67 owners out there, perhaps you can answer a
> > > question for me.  I am very familiar with the 35mm lenses, and their
> > > features - M42, K, M, A, F, FA.  I would like to know more about the
> > > 67 lenses and backward compatibility - I would be considering the 67II
> > > - - is there any issues or concerns with old vs. new glass?
> >
> > This doesn't really speak to your question, Bruce, but my friend Ctein,
who
> > has been writing for U.S. photography magazines for nearly 30 years, has
> > always photographed with a Pentax 6x7. He did a number of direct tests
of
> > old and new lenses, and discovered that some of the newer designs are
far
> > superior. I don't know if he's published his results or not, but if
you'd
> > like me to ask him to comment on specifics for the benefit of the list,
I'd
> > be happy to.
>
>
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Re: LX Purchase (was: Pentax Optio)

2002-01-19 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Is it a "wink" or a nervous "twitch", like Inspector Dreyfus?  :)

Collin

At 12:46 PM 1/19/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: LX Purchase (was: Pentax Optio)
>
>Alan Abbott wrote:
>
> > Wohooo
> >   Got it!!!
> > Now I've got the LX wink ;-)


*
"Get over it."
  Dr. Laura
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Re: Unreadable Web Pages

2002-01-19 Thread aimcompute

I received it as well.  I agree, c'mon... it's probably the trainees they've
hired.

Tom C.

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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: OT: Unreadable Web Pages


> Recently there was discussion here about web pages that are impossible to
read because of the colors chosen for the backgtound and text.
>
> Today I recreived an email entitled "A Special Limited Time Offer From
NYI" from the New York Institute of Photography.  The heading is fine, but
the extensive text is black on dark blue, and completely
> illegible.  You would think guys who run a respected photography school
would know about colors and contrast and thing of that sort.
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AF-500 FTZ Questions

2002-01-19 Thread aimcompute

I have misplaced my manual for the AF-500 FTZ Flash and have not used it in
about 2 years.

Some stupid questions:

Right now I just want to use it in full auto mode on my PZ-1p.

Can someone tell me where the switches should be set for this?

When I set aperture on the PZ-1p for the desired DOF,  let's say f8,
exposure time is correspondingly increased to 1/4 sec.  When I have the
AF500-FTZ on the camera and press the shutter button, the flash fires and I
get a 1/4 sec exposure, which is obviously wrong.  Maybe there's an
additional item I need to set on the PZ-1p?

When I have the switch set to USER mode, then I get an appropriate exposure
time like 1/30 sec, but I lose control over the aperture.  If I set the
aperture in USER mode, then the same thing happens as above.  I get a long
exposure with the flash firing... which just does not seem right.

I'm a dunce with this flash, not having used it in so long.  Thanks.

Tom
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Odp: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?

2002-01-19 Thread Artur Ledóchowski

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Subject: Re: MF or MF: was: Anyone shoot MF exclusively?


> AF> MF has always meant medium format, and it is not the prerogative of
the
> AF> members of one brand specific mailing list to overturn a long
established
> AF> tradition.
>
> AF> Regards,
> AF> Anthony Farr

Hmmm... perhaps producers should should be informed about this, since they
confuse the matter placing the "AF" and "MF" marks on their 35mm babies,
near focus mode switches...:)
Greetz
Artur
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Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?

2002-01-19 Thread Steve Larson

Shel, it sounds like the K85/1.8 is a superb lens. I`ll have to go through
those slides again and find those that I shot with yours. I never noticed
that the Vivitar was not so vivid with colors, but that is an interesting
comparison.  I`m going to have to compare it to a Pentax in a side
by side shoot.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?


> Steve, if you recall, I used your Viv1 135mm to photograph some parrots
> when we went to the zoo in Santa Barbara last year.  I only shot three
> or four frames with it, and then went back to using the Pentax K85/1.8.
> When the photos were printed, it was obvious that the color saturation -
> the vividness of the colors - was noticeably less than that of the
> K85/1.8.  Granted, the photo was quite sharp and detailed, but I was
> surprised at the difference in color quality.  Have you ever made some
> direct comparisons in this area with other lenses?  It might be
> interesting to compare the K135/2.5 with your Vivitar.
>
> Paul sent me some lenses to play around with, and I think one was a
> wide-angle Viv1.  If so, I'll compare it to some Pentax and other lenses
> with a similar focal length - and will finally be able to check the
> 50/1.2 focusing you asked about, too.
>
>
> Steve Larson wrote:
> >
> > I can agree with that. I do not have any experience with the Pentax
135/2.5,
> > but I can attest to the
> > VS1 135/2.3 as being a great lens, especially the K-mount variety with
the
> > superb coatings.
> > Steve Larson
> > Redondo Beach, California
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
> >
> > > Fred wrote:
> > > Almost as fast as the Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3 (and more plentiful
> > > and often less expensive), and a superb lens in its own right, is
> > > the K 135/2.5 ("the poor man's A* 135/1.8").
> > >
> > > Fred,
> > > The SMC 135/2.5K is a fine performer from f/5.6 onward. But it has not
> > lived up to my hopes at f/2.5 to f/4. That's why, though I already owned
the
> > K, I bought the Vivitar. (That, and the Vivitar's 0.9 m close focus). I
> > think my fellow Series One enthusiast Steve Larson would agree.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > 
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Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1961

2002-01-19 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 19/01/02 17:50:08 GMT Standard Time, Cotty writes:

<< Pentax Pro Lens FA* 28-70mm f2.8 AL Powerzoom auto focus. 2 years old. 
 £850 ono Tel: 07752 364421 >>

I believe that is about the same as the new price, isn't it? Offer them half.

krfsb

Peter
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Re: OT: Bargain (bogen) of the century?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

I have a 3020 that I bought on ebay for a similar amount, although mine is
equipped with a rather robust video head, the number of which escapes me at the
moment. But I love the tripod. It's a rock. Just the thing for a 6x7. And the
video head is stout, so it's quite fine for horizontals, less so for verticals.
Paul

Jim Moniz wrote:

> I wandered into a local camera shop to check on the availability of the FA
> 50mm 1.4 lens.  The conversation led to a discussion of tripods.  I mentioned
> that I once owned a Tiltall lens, and asked the clerk what he would recommend,
> since I wasn't happy with the tripod my girlfriend has been letting me use.
> He pointed at a used Bogen tripod.  I took one look at the tripod, one look at
> the price tag, and snapped it up so quickly you could almost hear thunder from
> the air rushing into the space once occupied by the 'pod!  Get this...a Bogen
> pro model 3020, WITH a 3028 head, for $99!!! This baby has definitely been
> used but was well cared for, and I will never have to buy another tripod
> again.  The clerk, who is also a pro, was genuinely perturbed that one of his
> fellow salesmen put such a low price on the tripod, and said he would have
> bought it himself (or for a friend) if he had known about it first.
> Just wanted to share my good fortune with you all.  I plan to put this through
> some serious use over the next few weeks.
> Jim
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Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?

2002-01-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

Cotty wrote:

>
>
> And so he's been doing this for quite a while. His advice to me? Know
> your market. Write about something you know, but most importantly, write
> it in the style the editor you are submitting to will want. Make it easy
> for them, and they'll snap it up.

Write what you know. Very good advice. After working as a race car mechanic
and engine builder in my late teens and early twenties, I turned to writing
for automotive magazines in order to stay in touch with something I loved. I
probably wrote several hundred magazine articles in a period from 1974 to
1991. Early on, I found that I could make more money if I did the
photography as well, so I borrowed a TLR Mamiya from my brother and set
about learning to use it. My writing eventually lead to a career in
advertising and some conflicts of interest that kept me away from the
journalism side of things. But those conflicts have cleared up a bit since
I'm working on different advertising accounts than I once did, so I'm taking
it up again. This time it's more to help pay for my hobby, while providing
some subject matter for my camera.
Paul

Cotty

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Re: And did I mention wrong

2002-01-19 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Bob, I really didn't want to "pummel" you, so sorry for the bit harsh
response. But the thread was all about such pummeling before, I only
adopted to your and others' tone. Back to topic:

But I still think you are somewhat mistaken, that wave quality of
light DOES influence macroscopic qualities of image in such a way that
there is no absolute sharpness even at macroscopic scale, not only
quantum scale. What I am referencing to is Law of diffraction &
Huygens' principe. Your automobile edge is a difracting edge, in fact,
every edge diffracts light. For common photographic magnifications,
this diffraction rings around every light point have only very slight
influence. But in higher magnifications, it is apparent.

Of course, this whole discussion is IMNSHO only rhetoric, I didn't want to
indulge in it too, but I did anyway :(


Best regards,
 Frantisek
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Re: How many lenses do you WANT to own?

2002-01-19 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Coming into this late, but...

1) a very small outfit - fast 24mm and fast 50mm, like 50/1.4 and 24/2
2) super-small outfit - ~40-42 (like my Olympus SP 1.7/42 rangefinder)
3) greedy mood : 15mm, 24mm, 50mm, 80-200/2.8, 400/4 or 300/2.8
(not too greedy is it )
4) normal kit - 17/20mm, fast 24mm, 80-200/2.8, fast 50mm or 35mm,
400/5.6

I would like to have backups too, best something slower but more
compact, like a 28/3.5 and similar.


but that's the midget format... now for real stuff :)

6x6 SLR or TLR or rangefinder with very-wideangle (I can crop to
slight wideangle always if the need), triple-normal tele,
slightly-wider normal (fast). That's not much is it ;)

Frantisek
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Re: How to send money to Argentina?

2002-01-19 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

JJB> the money for quite a few months. Never underestimate the power of a
JJB> FedEx envelope with a few dollars inside... (not that I would
JJB> recommend doing this, it is against FedEx regulations)

I don't know how well it applies for US and Argentina, but here in
Europe - Czechia, I can send money in an letter if it's a special
envelope branded "valuable letter" or "valuable package", up to some
sum in $. The package/letter is of course insured. But that's at our
post company, even with the abundance of private post companies in US it
might not be available at all.

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Need help with digital planning

2002-01-19 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

WRT thumbnail generating programs and 48bit TIFFs: the freeware
Irfanview (www.irfanview.com) supports reading 48bit files, although
it only reads them, it cannot save them back in 48 bits. If you do any
adjustment with it it can so far save them only as normal 24bit. But
even reading them is useful, as it can generate HTML thumbnail pages
or big image with thumbnails VERY easily. Worth of try!

HTH,
Frantisek
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