Re: PUG Deadline Approacheth.....

2002-04-20 Thread Steve Larson

Hey Bill,
 Great, I`m glad you got the warmed up!
I just kind of miss Wheatfields promotion of PUG, telling us when the
deadline approaches, so I`ll do it (if I remember every month ;) )
Love those Grandfather Mountain pics, and the group shots, make sure
you get some group shots for us to see.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
P.S., it`s not too late to submit folks!


Bill Owens wrote:


 Hey Steve, after several months of no submissions, I got busy the other
day
 and submitted for both May and June.  Hopefully I'll have something decent
 from Grandfather Mountain for July, maybe even a group shot of the
PDML'ers
 who attend :-)

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Re[2]: MZ-SD?!?!

2002-04-20 Thread Bruce Dayton

Frantisek,

The MZ-S imprints exposure information (meter mode, shutter speed,
f-stop, exposure compensation) in between the sprocket holes.  If you
turn on the date back, it functions like all other date backs -
ruining your pictures with a boldly printed date in the frame area.



Bruce Dayton



Friday, April 19, 2002, 5:19:16 AM, you wrote:

SP I can't agree with you. Clock function is only free bonus to data imprinting
SP (shutter speed, f/stop, metering mode, AEB, exposure compensation, number of
SP film rolls used etc.) on MZ-S, which apparently is done using this data
SP back. Adding digital clock electronics to this is only matter of several $.

FV But doesn't the MZ-S imprint the date/time INTO the frame area?!?
FV Seems like quite stupid when they could imprint it into the sprockets
FV area, where it would be MUCH MORE useful for pro/semi-pro/whatever
FV photographers. Or does it do it this way?

FV Good light,
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Re: MZS-D?!?!

2002-04-20 Thread camdir

But doesn't the MZ-S imprint the date/time INTO the frame area?!?
Seems like quite stupid when they could imprint it into the sprockets
area, where it would be MUCH MORE useful for pro/semi-pro/whatever
photographers. Or does it do it this way?

Frantisek. The info is imprinted between the sprocket holes. Very cool. (I do not have 
it here with today as it is my _day off_).

Peter
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RE: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread £ukasz Kacperczyk

Wasn't Canon lens a f/0.95 and not f/0.79? I'm pretty sure it was.
Lukasz

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Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's
Ninth.)


 IMHO, the limited lenses are restoring their glory. The K
 series was produced at time that quality meant everything. Then economics
 and saleability prevailed.

As far as I understand, A* lenses have never been victims of economics and
saleability. Still, FA* 85/1.4 goes for what (older) A*85/1.4 and (a lot
older and slower) K85/1.8 I don't have doubts that they are good. My
question is, are they *that* good? There are other lenses from the same time
(C  N) that go for half the money (I seriously doubt that Cannon L glass is
inferior to Pentax A*). Or is it simply the lust factor? -- which would be
very understandable (found myself guilty of that on more than one occasion),
since these lenses *are* rare, but that has little to do with photography.

As for Cannon 50/0.79 -- at least I can understand why it is a collectible,
there're not that many other 0.79 lenses around (in fact, I am not aware of
any).

Oh well, it's Friday...
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Re: Analog TTL flash correction

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Avca But the camera will give you the metering including this exp comp factor,
Avca right?
Avca So, if you want fill flash, you put 1/4x and then add two stop to what the
Avca meter tells you is the right exposure in manual mode?
Avca Regards´

That's my understanding of it, and also the way I did it with SFXn
(BTW, SFXn has DIGITAL flash, not ANALOG).

Other question: when I put LX on manual, and flash away on TTL, will I
get just a small burst of flash (the minimal one the TTL can handle)
because the metering is combined of ambient and flash light, or will I
get grossly overexposed frame?

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Weird OT film question

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Hi,

   Chromogenic films use silver just as well...

   But in the final processing steps, it's bleached and activises the
   dyes (probably there is less silver than in traditional BW films
   though)

   I think the digital Xray is much more promising for them.

   Fra
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Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

I never could understand why people pay so much for these, except the
consumerism and lust factor. I mean, the 1.8/85 is great lens (the
very similar or same Zeiss/Zeiss Jena design is great) but a lens designed
mainly for wide open performance with use of advanced glass types like
the 1.2 or 1.4 85s from Pentax,Canon,Zeiss will surely be better, at least
at the wider apertures.

Perhaps some people love their Pentax bodies so much that they
wouldn't consider getting another body just for another maker's lens.

Frantisek
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Re: Leaving the List

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Daniel,
   bye! Enjoy the free time of being offlist as you will find you
   have much more time left for actual *photography* ;-))

   Should you decide you are feeling you need another dose of the
   drug, there is a solution for you which I once used with
   moderate to good success:

   unsub from the list
   sub to the pentax-discuss-nomail
   (this is a list where you can post here, but don't receive any
   mail).
   read your and others posts on the web archives. There is one
   catch - the archives are a free volunteer service, and
   sometimes they can lag behind the list traffic for several days
   even more. Sometimes they are pretty fast. If you feel you
   can't bear the lag, you can of course find and pay for a paid
   100% working service ;-)

   This way, you can keep your daily dose, keep in touch, even
   post questions and read the answers on the web archive or in
   your personal mail.

   Frantisek
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Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

t I can't get Delta 3200 to look decent above ISO 1250, and HP5+ looks like crap 
under every
t circumstance.

Tom, what do you develop it in? I have had excellent results with HP5+ in
Microphen, sometimes even up to 3200. Quite small grain, good
tonality. Especially at 1600 it looks nice to me.

Now, I have just got from friend a roll of Kodak Double X (XX) (sic!), should be
some very nice experience...


Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

Cotty has a Lubitel?

Nope.

:-)

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RE: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread tom

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 I said:
 t I can't get Delta 3200 to look decent above ISO 1250,
 and HP5+ looks like crap under every
 t circumstance.

 Tom, what do you develop it in? I have had excellent
 results with HP5+ in
 Microphen, sometimes even up to 3200. Quite small grain, good
 tonality. Especially at 1600 it looks nice to me.

HP5+? I've developed it in everything...it just doesn't like me

Actually it looks fine in XTOL when perfectly exposed, but seems to me
it doesn't have much latitude. The contrast and grain seem to get
whacked out pretty easily when under or overexposed, at least compared
to Tri-X.

tv
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Owens

 Cotty has a Lubitel?
 
 Nope.

Pentacon 6?

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PENTAX FS in UK: heads up!

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

Okay, a quick heads up before I sit through the PUG and lavish praise...

UK AP came through the door this morning - all serious buyers will have 
had a chance to get what they want by now (subscribers usually get the 
mag on a Saturday morning, sometimes Monday, it arrives into the shops on 
Tuesday).

If any UK AP subscriber reading this thinks I'm mentioning these things 
too early, please email me off list and I'll wait longer in future, but 
anyway here goes:

'PENTAX 67 MU f/3.5 SMS lens Pentax UV filter meter prism all good 
condtion 525 UKP ono St Albans 01727 763572'

'PENTAX 67 M/up body with 105mm f/2.4 SMC and GPD metered prism finder 
all VGC 700 UKP 01286 872358'

'PENTAX BLACK ME SUPER 28-2.8 35-2.8 50-1.7 80-200 f4 Hoya 2X conv winder 
filters with cases, boixes, instruction manuals, ideal starter kit 270 
UKP, no split (Banbury)  01295 253886'

'PENTAX MX 50/1.7, Pentax telephoto 80-200 1.45 Vivtar 28 1.2 (Cotty's 
notes: this must be a typo!) flash, very little use can deliver Reading 
area 210 UKP the lot 0118 957 2898'

(now some real goodies...;-)

'PENTAX MX black 125 UKP, Chrome 115 UKP, winder 30 UKP, 15 f3.5 595 UKP, 
24 f2.8 105 UKP, 28 f3.5 shift 525 UKP, 35 f2 150 UKP, 75-150 65 UKP, KT 
6x2 35 UKP, REF converter 25 UKP, Vivitar 35-85 35 UKP, tubes 25 UKP, 
AF200T 30 UKP telephone 01992 583125'

'PENTAX SFXN 2 bodies at 95 UKP each 400 FTZ flashgun 90 UKP, SMC 28-90 
60 UKP, SMC 70-210 95 UKP, excellent condition. Tom. 01442 252623'

The above has been checked and there are no typos. Reely.

I wish I could afford the 15mil! But I can't.

Go get em.

Cotty

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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/20/2002 9:09:38 AM Central Daylight Time, 
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  Cotty has a Lubitel?
  
  Nope.
 
 Pentacon 6?
 

Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.)


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WTB: Camera Straps

2002-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Looking for Spotmatic-era, thin leather camera straps.  If you've got
any, please contact me off list.  Thanks!
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OT: FS S/M outfit

2002-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Got a good one today, for anyone wanting it.
Vivitar XC-3, black body.
   shutter speeds from 4 to 1/1000 sec. + B  M
   iso 25 - 3200
   some brassing on edges
   shutter lock switch
   A  X syncs as well as hot shoe.
   handy film box lid holder on the back.
   horizontal cloth shutter
   Can't get the self timer to work.
   It's an electronic shutter 
   the camera requires 2 A76/LR44 batteries to operate.  (Included)
Vivitar 55/2.1 normal lens
Focal 135/2.8
Focal 35/2.8
Vivitar s/m 2x teleconverter

$60 for the outfit, plus shipping.

*
KC8TKA

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Re: We have the Limited 31 how good was/is the 30?

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

I don't have Stan's collected comments in front of me, so mine may overlap. 
I should add that I'm becoming a fan of using in-between focal lengths 
(like 30 or 31) to replace a pair (28 and 35):

 From Pentax catalog: The perfect solution for those trying to choose 
between the 35 and 28mm focal lengths. Light weight and ample lens speed. 
Tong Xu: I recently conducted resolution tests between the K35/2.0, the 
A35/2.0, and the K30/2.8. The 30/2.8 is amazing. It outperforms the 35 2.0s 
at every respect. The K beat the A in center resolution at all f/stops, and 
tied it for corner resolution. (Results in Paul's file under 35 mm focal 
length.) Yoshi: Hama's rectangular hood (52mm) is the best hood I have 
ever seen for K28/3.5, K24/2.8, K28/2, K30/2.8, K35/2, and K35/3.5 in my 
experience. Yoshihiko Takinami - . . .excellent optically; well corrected 
aberrations, very few distortion, very high actual/visual resolution, good 
color rendition. . .Yoshi: I love this lens.  :^) I like K30/2.8 better 
than any 28mm lens Pentax ever made. It's compact in size and very well 
built.  How about optical qualities: resolution, contrast, color, 
distortion,  bokeh, light fall-off, etc.? It has great resolving power 
visually/actually, excellent contrast and good color 
rendition.   Distortion and light fall-off seem very slight, and its bokeh 
is really good.
I have placed a sample photo taken with this lens at 
http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/gallery01/pf0004.html It was 
dim, cloudy morning I take that photo.   The lens rendered the scene with 
quite impressive contrast and color, IMO. Yoshihiko Takinami

Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Super Program buyer

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

William,
I was wrong. I was thinking of my Yashica Electro rangefinders. On the 
original full-size models (45/1.7 lens), click stops were every 1/3 stop. 
On the later, slightly smaller GL, this was changed to half-stops.

William Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curious. I have both the older Super Program with the 400..800..1600
ASA/ISO dial and the newer one with the 400...1000.1600 dial. Both have
click stops for film in 1/3 stops. There are other subtle differences
between them as well. Is there a third version of the Super Program out
there? And how would one set film speed by half stops when film speeds
are rated in 1/3 stops? Or did I misunderstand what you are saying?



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Re: Super Program buyer

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

One of mine has developed this problem. I think it began when I stuffed the 
camera into my lunch bag. Some foodstuffs may be clogging it up.

  One thing I forgot to mention about the Super Program, is that
  the film speed is a pain in the neck to change. It takes two
  hands, and even then, isn't particularly easy or quick.


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SMC 120/2.8K (was: Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

The 120K is the big brother of the legendary 105/2.8K. Every bit as good, 
according to those who have owned both. If you're just starting to build a 
set of primes, the 120 can replace a 100 and 135. You can then get a 90/2.5 
or 2.8 macro, which perhaps will satisfy your craving for an 85/1.8. 
(Notice I said perhaps.)

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I have the 120 f2.8 and love it. If you can find it, grab it.


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Re: WTB: Camera Straps

2002-04-20 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

Early last year, I picked up four or five from e-bay auctions to replace
some worn out and lay in a supply of spares.  Typical e-bay, they cost
more than they should, but it was worth it to close out the mission.

Haven't been watching lately, but you  might have some luck there.

Otis Wright

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Re: Vivitar 135mm/1.5?

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

It was not muticoated, apparently.
 From the Third Party Lens megasite (URL not at hand):
 From third-party lens site: I should mention that there were a few even 
faster 135mm f/1.8 and even f/1.5 lenses made by Vivitar in 1968, using the 
preset T-mount. But these lenses were much poorer performers optically than 
the later Series I 135mm f/2.3 lenses. Avoid them!

 From another discussion list, I think Yahoo's Club42:

franka_lieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:  Sat Feb 16, 2002  10:21 am 
Subject:  Super fast M42 lens: Vivitar did market a 135/1.5 but it seems 
that it never did make it out other than the paper ad. Sigma used to market 
their own version of the M42 mount 135/ 1.8 and its supposed to be marketed 
for their very first body (also M42 and must be collectable by now, reputed 
production is only short and limited ). Soligor used to market their 
135/2.0 ( yes the one version that I do own ) and this is also the version 
that most encountered in US and Europe as either 2.0 or 1.8 ( but according 
to all the tech report they are just the same lens down to their diaphragm).

I have photos of most of these lenses, if anyone is interested. Some of 
these superfast 135mm lenses are available at http://www.kevincameras.com . 
I thought I saw a 135/1.5 there.

Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone knows anything about this creature?


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April PUG review from Cotty - better late than never?

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

Well, it's a Saturday afternoon, I've just vacuumed the house top to 
bottom, the Mrs. has buggered off to the shops and the lad has a friend 
to play and they're outside terrorising the neighbours (hilk hilk). Must 
be time to settle down with a good Brownian Motion producer - say a 
really nice hot cup of tea - and look at the PUG for April: 'Still Life'

As usual, I go through every one using the 'next' button, and those that 
I stop longer on get some comments. They are ALL good: the standard is 
always very high and as usual it's a great way of making one feel 
inadequate ;-)

Off we go...

Orange
Thibault Grouas
Thibault's first PUG submission and he's come up trumps. What a smashing 
abstract, beautifully composed. Very interesting image to look at. Well 
done!

Juicy
Harold Rust
Works for me! Nice composition and the peel on that orange looks like it 
would cut through steel. Excellent.

Pepper
Wendy Beard
A joy to look at. What a stunning composition and a terrific image. You 
say it's a pepper but like an inkblot, I see all sorts of things. Real 
class shot. Superb.

Peachy II
Steve Larson
I took a minute but decided I like this shot, if only for it reminding me 
of bottoms (!) and the human form. I also see steep hills and a valley 
going on forever. Oh yeah, and peaches ;-) Nice one.

Captive Cactus
Kathy Leickly
Another beautiful image from Kath. Lovely composition and colours. Don't 
be afraid to stop the lens down until it's almost capped up - depth of 
field at these magnifications are always tricky. I really like this.

Lone Crusader
Satish Kumar S.K.
Always happy to oblige with comments for a novice PUGster, this shot has 
a nice serene feel to it. The softness of the plant doesn't detract from 
the overall feeling, and considering the light was going, and you had no 
tripod, it's a good effort. Well done.

Tulip
Aconquija
Backlit tulips with a dark background and the photographer has produced a 
fantastic shot. The deep colour and 'focal gradation' make this pic a 
real stunner. It grew on me the more I looked at it. Brilliant!

Summer Blossom
Ashley Osborne
At only eleven years old, Ashley has grasped the basics of photography 
and produced a lovely image. Don't be afraid to fill the frame, Ashley. 
On the other hand, the best piece of advice anyone could ever give you is 
that if it looks right to you, then it *is* right. That's the only thing 
that counts - as long as you're happy with it. If you're not, you won't 
rest until you go back and do it again until you are. Well done.

Meter With Maid
Paul Stenquist
Nice composition, and startling colour. Yep, works for me. Say is that a 
67 on your tripod or are you going to the moon? ;-)

Resting Engine
Parvaiz
Interesting image of a motorbike framed by tree and foliage. Works for me!

Urban Still
Bill Peifer
Gritty shop front instils uncertainty. Nice capture, Bill.

Stones
Alexey Tikhonov
Lovely low-key mono of some floor. What a terrific picture. I'm biased 
because I like low-key images, but wow - what a sense of feeling this 
conveys. The lovely way the light catches the bricks, the subtle 
footprints in the dust. I can smell the scene from here. Dark, dank, 
moody. This month's runner-up for me. Well done Alexey.

Kitchen Window, San Antonio
Dick Jones
Shots of windows, looking out, are always a favourite with me. I've 
always wanted to put together a collection of pictures like this. Dick's 
done well here - capturing the feel well. Lighting's always tricky 
because the intensity from outside is usually going to clash with the 
ambient in the room, if any, and getting the balance right is not easy. 
Dick has got it just right and the result speaks for itself. Really 
pleasing image, thanks. (Aside: a primary school project for me in the 
early 70s in Cupertino, Ca, was to build Mission Santa Barbara out of 
sugar cubes! Some things you never forget...)

Bonsai and Bulb
Matt Bevers
Matt's first PUG with his first roll from his first MX. I can see the 
making of a fine art photographer here. At first I thought the vertical 
banding above the subjects might be a scanner issue, but I realise that 
it's part of the background. Don't forget that the finished image is what 
you will be judged by, Matt. Get it to your satisfaction, then you'll be 
able to live with it, and yourself. I like this shot. Technically you've 
chosen a difficult method - lots of backlight means you're always in 
danger of turning things into silhouettes, which if desired is fine. Try 
shoving some light onto the scene from the front, not a lot, just enough 
to put a bit more detail into the tree. In monochrome, an anglepoise lamp 
works fine. The bulb vase is nice, the twisty shapes inside betraying the 
organic nature of the subject. A really great first effort, take a bow!

Commode and Plant, Wales, 2001
Cotty
Crap subject.

25 Carat Diamond in Claw Setting [I Suppose]
Stan Halpin
Fascinating close up of ice, I presume. Being a sci-fi fan, I can see an 
alien 

Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Hey--Who is this guy who's trying to inject a dose of commonsense into our 
support group?

  Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses
collectibles (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so
much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as
pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more
sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this kind
of money?

Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

A US website listed a K28/2, same condition, same price, once in 1999, 
again in 2000. Each time, I discovered it a few day after the lens was sold.

I also missed one in Finland.

I finally found one on a Kansas site for about $260. It's still the 
costliest lens I own below 200mm.

I just discovered a note in my 28/2K data that says, Call Bob S if you 
find one. It's dated April 2001. I guess I haven't seen one since.

Bob S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
And the K28/2.0 I have never seen...only rarely see the M28/2 or A28/2.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

t HP5+? I've developed it in everything...it just doesn't like me

I would say, stick with your favourite and use only it ;) If HP
doesn't work for you, you could spend years tuning it when your
already nice TX works nicely for you. It's only those darkroom
freaks who spend more time in the dark sloshing chemistry around who
get kicks out of 5% grain reduction by adding some obscure chemical
into the developer and similar ;-))

OTOH, I have seen some absolutely amazing 18x24cm (~8x10) prints
from Kodak XX (NOT TX! it's good ole double X) in Rodinal... now I
have a roll of the XX I will try to duplicate that ;)


Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: new lens - Vivitar Ser 1 105/2.5 Macro

2002-04-20 Thread Christian Skofteland

You'll love it!

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Ignatiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:36 PM
Subject: new lens - Vivitar Ser 1 105/2.5 Macro


 Just got it in the mail. Boy, it is a beauty! Rock solid build, wonderful
 finish... were it not that heavy, but I guess that's the price for a fast
 macro. Now need to get out and shoot some pictures this weekend.
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Pentax morning...

2002-04-20 Thread Timothy Sherburne

Hello all...

This morning I had to renew my driver's license. Since mine is really old
and Oregon as since upgraded to the fancy credit-card style licenses, I had
to go in, get my picture taken and pay a bunch o' money. Hohum, I'm
thinking. But, I'm making that goofy only-on-your-drivers-license grin into
the lens of the camera, I notice some small words around the lens bezel that
read Cosmicar Pentax. Okay, I'm thinking, maybe this won't turn out so bad
after all. It did. Maybe I'll submit it for a PUG rogue's gallery!

t
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The Ultimate Point Shoot Camera

2002-04-20 Thread William Robb

HOBO 8x10 Point  Shoot Camera

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1347611983

Brother William
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Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Mishka

my sincerest apologies to the listers!
so i'm shutting my mouth and going to burn some film: got 3 new lenses this
month, and i have a feeling they are dying to refract some light...


- Original Message -
From: Paul F. Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's
Ninth.)


 Hey--Who is this guy who's trying to inject a dose of commonsense into our
 support group?

   Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i feel like i am completely missing something here. are these lenses
 collectibles (i wasn't aware pentax glass has this status) or simply so
 much better than competition (i mean, cannon 85/1.2 goes for the same $ as
 pentax 85/1.8)? if (as i suspect) they are neither, wouldn't it make more
 sense to get a similar cannon or nikon lens with a *free* body for this
kind
 of money?

 Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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RE: April PUG review from Cotty - better late than never?

2002-04-20 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

I am blushing all over! Thanks Cotty for taking the time to comment.

Frits Wüthrich

Cotty wrote:
 Woodscape
 Frits W
 Always a sucker for a big fat close up of a tree trunk, this one's a
 beauty. Nice work  (as usual!).


 Cotty
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The Last Temptation of Dagor77.

2002-04-20 Thread William Robb

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1347364890


William Robb
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Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Fred

 got 3 new lenses this  month, and i have a feeling they are dying
 to refract some light...

Sounds like a good month, Mishka !!!

Time to take the new glass out for some refractive therapy (good for
them and good for you - g).

Fred
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Re: April PUG review from Cotty - better late than never?

2002-04-20 Thread Steve Larson

Hi Cotty,

Thanks for the kind words, I feel very honored finally making the
Cotty list (even if it did take a minute to decide if you liked it ;) )!
 The shot was supposed to resemble human form,  I saw bottoms
in the viewfinder, then I saw female anatomy (upper) on the print.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California

Cotty wrote:
 Peachy II
 Steve Larson
 I took a minute but decided I like this shot, if only for it reminding me
 of bottoms (!) and the human form. I also see steep hills and a valley
 going on forever. Oh yeah, and peaches ;-) Nice one.
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RE: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping + Beethoven's Ninth.)

2002-04-20 Thread Jose R. Rodriguez

Most of Pentax's K Series Lenses are highly sought after because they
exude quality and performance.  Many people purchase these lenses (e.g.,
K28/2.0, K30/2.8, K35/2.0, K50/1.2, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, etc...) and will
never sell them (I won't sell mine either...); when they occasionally do
show up on eBay or stores, they sell at a very high price and very quickly
(because of their reputation).

Regards,

Jose R. Rodriguez

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mishka
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rare 35mm lenses (was Re: Melbourne lens shopping +
Beethoven's Ninth.)


I guess, what I want to know is, those are that expensive simply because
they have collectible status, or because they blow away all the competition?
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Re: Asahi patent for image stabilization....

2002-04-20 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

Crazy idea:

Couple the IS optical train with a negative element (all in body) and then
couldn't you put a full-frame image on a non-full frame image sensor?

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Alan Chan wrote:

 Could it be that they are working on image stabilization within the body of
 the camera that will work with all current and not-so-current lenses?
 
 Oh boy, that might be even bigger than Contax AX.
 
 regards,
 Alan Chan
 
 
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Re: Anybody selling ME Super??

2002-04-20 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Don't worry, it's absolutely alright to post WTB/FS stuff.  We've been 
sort of trying to encourage FS Fridays, but there's no enforcement.

I may have an ME Super that comes in at that price with an A 50mm f2.  
It came in to our place on Wednesday, and I may have a local buyer, but 
if that falls through I was planning to offer it to the list.  It's in 
pretty good shape, but there's a fair amount of wear in the black paint 
around the door.

Also have a manual focus Sigma 24-70mm zoom and a set of Kenko tubes 
with the A-series contacts.  I may take the tubes myself.  ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Re[2]: MZ-S Opinions

2002-04-20 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 12:10  PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 The LX gang has a long lead on the Brotherhood for obsession. They
 have been obsessing since I joined the list quite a long time ago.
 They even have the LX wink. That's why we need Brotherhood hats.

Heck, they even infected me -- when my ME Super went to film-advance 
heaven, I bought a used LX, and used it heavily until last fall when I 
went through my 67 epiphany and realized that much of what I had shot 
all summer would have been so much better on 67...so WHY THE HECK WASN'T 
I USING MY 67?

I retrieved it from its orange Pelican resting place and have not 
returned it since.

-Brother Aaron
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Re: Photoshop question

2002-04-20 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 05:00  PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 I have the tryout version of photoshop. I cant seem to find it.
 What is the sequence on the menus?

I have to go look...I always just hit apple-L, the keyboard shortcut.  
Probably ctrl-L in Windows land.

Just a sec.

Image -- Adjust -- Levels.

Have fun!  The little eyedroppers are for selecting.  I find the grey 
eyedropper and asphalt usually put me in the ballpark.

-Aaron
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Re: MZ-S Focus Select in use is a moot point.

2002-04-20 Thread Brendan

Actually I would have a very good use for selectable
focus points
after today. I found myself using only the center
sensor on my MZ-3
and PZ-20 then recomposing each shot. Most shots would
have had my
point of focus using one of the outer sensors or upper
center sensor
on the MZ-S it would have been nice to compose and
select the sensor (
or preselect ). Now that I finally have the right lens
arsenal it's
time to save and take the MZ-S plunge.

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MX Winder

2002-04-20 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

What should I check when buying a MX Winder (with or without the camera)?
ukasz
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Mishka

that sounds like rolleicord? do i get a candy?

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format


 Nope.
 
 I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality...
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Found a usable Local mini lab

2002-04-20 Thread Brendan

It's the same Rapid photo that did my purple lady bug
reprints, the
manager said that he'll offer me a small discount and
scan my negs at
6mp ( 3072*2048 ) rather than the normal 1536*1024 for
the photo cds.
I just dropped off 4 rolls of fuji 160 NPC and he said
he'll reprint
as many times as it takes to get it right. He'll also
save the
channels so for when he runs into more pro film,
actually he wants me
to bring him more pro film so he can create more
channels. I guess
keeping my cool and working with them helped more than
I imagined,
that and with the walmart next door they want to offer
better quality
service. Aparrantly many higher end shooters in the
area use the
Walmart.



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Re: MX Winder

2002-04-20 Thread Bob Rapp

With. Make sure that it fires correctly in the continuous mode.

Bob
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To: pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 7:00 AM
Subject: MX Winder


What should I check when buying a MX Winder (with or without the camera)?
ukasz
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Re: Shooting the Moon

2002-04-20 Thread William Kane

Whoops,

   That's my fault.  Putting words down without thining . . . at any rate, I
found out my 4 telescope has an f-stop of f13.  This means it's a little less
light  (1stop) than the moony-11 rule suggests . . .

   . . . I was thinking though, for proper exposure, weather a full moon or a
1/4 moon, shouldn't the exposure always use the moony-11 rule?  I'm supposed to
be measuring the reflected light . . . If I compensate for less light of a
1/4 moon, I'll get the dull 3/4 in a good exposure, but the 1/4 that is there
will be washed out, right?

Illinois Bill

Mishka wrote:

 what do you mean no aperture?
 the telescope *is* the lens. even if it's a reflector, it does have an
 aperture (like a big mirror lens). and there goes moony 11.
 or am i missing something?

 - Original Message -
 From: William Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Shooting the Moon

  Bill,
 
 The f11 rule for the moon only works when I have a lens on the camera.
 I
  have the telescope mounted directly to the camera with no lens in between
 . . .
  so no aperture.
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Re: Shooting the Moon

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Owens

. . . I was thinking though, for proper exposure, weather a full moon
or a
 1/4 moon, shouldn't the exposure always use the moony-11 rule?  I'm
supposed to
 be measuring the reflected light . . . If I compensate for less light of
a
 1/4 moon, I'll get the dull 3/4 in a good exposure, but the 1/4 that is
there
 will be washed out, right?

The portion of the moon that is illuminated by the sun is the same,
regardless of whether 1/4, 1/2 or full moon.  Therefore base your exposure
on mooney 11 if you want the illuminated portion properly exposed.

Bill  KG4LOV
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The Don's Photo show

2002-04-20 Thread William Robb

Just got home from the Don's Photo show here in town. Nice
little show. Representatives from Kodak, Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
Leica and Pentax, among others.
Didn't stop at the Canon booth. I grabbed an F100 off the Nikon
table to show someone what a cow it was beside and MZ-S (much to
the chagrin of the Nikon rep).
Had a nice chat with the new Pentax rep. Sold a couple of girls
on the Pentax brand. They were very impressed when I picked up a
20mm f/4 AF lens (NICE) and popped it onto my LX and took a
picture. Apparently, you can't do that with other brands that
have gone from manual focus to automatic focus.
Finally got to handle the 67II. Nice rig!! They had the 50-100mm
zoom on it. Quite a large rig, but well balanced. I had no
issues with it. The controls were well placed and intuitive. He
had the hot shoe handle on it, so it was really well balanced.
They did a nice job on this camera.
They also had a 645N with a few lenses. I can see what the
excitement is about with this camera. It has a really nice feel
to it, and works very smoothly. AF on a medium format camera is
a bit weird, but certainly a nice touch. He had the 45mm and
300mm lenses for it, as well as a short zoom. I was quite
impressed with the light weight of it. A great alternative to
35mm, if you want a larger negative, without a lot more camera.
I spent a bit of time with the MZ-S. I am still impressed with
the build. The thing exudes quality through it's pores.
He also had an MZ-6 on the table, but I didn't pick it up. It
looks pretty much like the rest of the MZ line. I heard the guy
going over the feature list, and it sounds like a pretty
impressive camera.
I also saw what might well be my first digital camera. The Lisle
Kelco guy had a (soon to be released) Leica Digilux I  digital
camera. It is a bit big, has a Leitz 2x zoom lens (I think it
was 22mm to 44mm), a nice big and sharp view screen, with a flip
up shade, reminiscent of a TLR shade. It also has full manual
control for exposure and focus, which I liked, as well as the
usual automated exposure controls. There is also a hot shoe on
top, so the thing isn't tied to the built in flash. The camera
is 4MP, and will have a street price of ~CAN$1400.00

William Robb
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

At 05:49 PM 4/20/02 -0400, you wrote:
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format

   Cotty has a Lubitel?
  
   Nope.
 
  Pentacon 6?
 
 
 Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.)

Nope.

I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality...


Diana/Holga?

*
KC8TKA

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Re[2]: Film Travel

2002-04-20 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

I'd forgotten about that. How could I? I ordered 70 rolls of Kodachrome
from 7dayshop a few months ago. They arrived in 70 separate envelopes.
The postman let me keep the sack...

---

 Bob  

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Saturday, April 20, 2002, 7:13:19 AM, you wrote:

 7dayshop take
 about a week to supply your film, so if you're coming here you could
 pre-order it and have it delivered to your hotel. 

 Bob, whilst everything else is sensible, this is possibly not prudent from the 
retailer's pov. Especially as it's a foreign transaction. 7day shop take advantage 
of the fact that single packages
 valued at GBP18 or less coming into UK from outside EEC trade zone attract no import 
duty or VAT. Thus your order for 20 odd rolls of film may well turn up in 5 or 6 
packets. Bizarre, but true.
 Apparently UK film retailers are lobbying to have this law changed - I have never 
heard whether any progress has been made. BTW, Camera Direct does not stock any 
film. Although I personally would
 love to have one of those little Fuji fridges. Keep my lunch cool in summer.
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Tokyo Lucky Homie (was 67 Hat For the Homies

2002-04-20 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

I picked up a copy of the April French 'Photo' today (in Paris g).
There's a long article about Nobuyoshi Araki, with many photos. In 2
of the photos his 6x7 is showing. He's not wearing a propeller beanie;
he's wearing an airline captain's hat, and in another picture some devil's
horns. The rest of the time he's just bald.

---

 Bob  

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Friday, April 19, 2002, 11:43:13 PM, you wrote:

 On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 10:20  AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/67hat.html

 *groan*

 Visual puns are the worst kind of puns.  ;)

 So, Shel, do Leica guys wear hats made of feathers and razor blades?

 -Aaron
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Re: The Don's Photo show

2002-04-20 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/20/2002 4:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 I also saw what might well be my first digital camera. The Lisle
 Kelco guy had a (soon to be released) Leica Digilux I  digital
 camera. It is a bit big, has a Leitz 2x zoom lens (I think it
 was 22mm to 44mm), a nice big and sharp view screen, with a flip
 up shade, reminiscent of a TLR shade. It also has full manual
 control for exposure and focus, which I liked, as well as the
 usual automated exposure controls. There is also a hot shoe on
 top, so the thing isn't tied to the built in flash. The camera
 is 4MP, and will have a street price of ~CAN$1400.00
 

I have some questions about the Leica digital, for someone who's actually 
seen it -- you, for instance. How does it do manual focus, and is there a 
distance scale on the lens?


ERNR
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Re: Pentax 6x7 extension tubes

2002-04-20 Thread Joseph McAllister

on 04/11/02 08:06, Ryan K. Brooks opined:

 - Mine is the same way.
 
 - Is there an outer-bayonet extension tube?

Yes. I have two, but I think there are three. Ask Pentax for a copy of the
consumers Price List and Catalog, or look it up online  www.pentaxusa.com.


JoMac, Pentaxian
   Pentax, Quadraphonic, Betamax, Macintosh

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Re: Tokyo Lucky Homie (was 67 Hat For the Homies

2002-04-20 Thread Bruce Dayton

Bob,

I am NOT shaving my head!


Brother Bruce



Saturday, April 20, 2002, 3:11:00 PM, you wrote:

BW Hi,

BW I picked up a copy of the April French 'Photo' today (in Paris g).
BW There's a long article about Nobuyoshi Araki, with many photos. In 2
BW of the photos his 6x7 is showing. He's not wearing a propeller beanie;
BW he's wearing an airline captain's hat, and in another picture some devil's
BW horns. The rest of the time he's just bald.

BW ---

BW  Bob  

BW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

BW Friday, April 19, 2002, 11:43:13 PM, you wrote:

 On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 10:20  AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/67hat.html

 *groan*

 Visual puns are the worst kind of puns.  ;)

 So, Shel, do Leica guys wear hats made of feathers and razor blades?

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Re: The Don's Photo show

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Jones

I've played with it, It does manual focus by making a beep noise when the
shot is in focus. It was based on getting the centre of the viewfinder in
focus. If it has a real manual focus through the viewfinder then i'd buy
one.

Its the exact same camera as the panasonic Lumix and the panasonic is
cheaper.

Cya
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: The Don's Photo show


 In a message dated 4/20/2002 4:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  I also saw what might well be my first digital camera. The Lisle
  Kelco guy had a (soon to be released) Leica Digilux I  digital
  camera. It is a bit big, has a Leitz 2x zoom lens (I think it
  was 22mm to 44mm), a nice big and sharp view screen, with a flip
  up shade, reminiscent of a TLR shade. It also has full manual
  control for exposure and focus, which I liked, as well as the
  usual automated exposure controls. There is also a hot shoe on
  top, so the thing isn't tied to the built in flash. The camera
  is 4MP, and will have a street price of ~CAN$1400.00
 

 I have some questions about the Leica digital, for someone who's actually
 seen it -- you, for instance. How does it do manual focus, and is there a
 distance scale on the lens?


 ERNR
 My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed
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RE: Photosamples of Pentax lenses needed

2002-04-20 Thread Albert Fekson

Thanks Tom, this lens will suit me just fine, light traveling is what it's
for. Should make a nice companion for FA 24 f/2, FA 50f/1.7, and FA 28-70
f/4.

Albert
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Re: PUG down again? and I'm back :)

2002-04-20 Thread Jostein

Welcome back, Ann!
The PUG and the AutoPug is on each side of the Atlantic...:-)
Here's a link for your bookmarks:
http://oksne.net/autopug/pugform.asp

Best,
Jostein
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From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: PUG down again? and I'm back :)


 I tried pix, I tried to get just to mine, I tried submission
deadline
 page - all bombed.

 I'm usually not the very last one to get a pic up for
 the gallery but things have been frantic.  I stupidly didn't
bookmark
 the
 auto submit page but if the other stuff is down, it may be, also.

 Help.

 annsan

 p.s. OT - I came in 6th in the expert (but not premiere) division
of
 the Boston
 Area Scrabble Tourney last weekend - yayayayay! Sorry, no pictures
 available :)
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

Diana?

Pardon me?

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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

   Cotty has a Lubitel?
   
   Nope.
  
  Pentacon 6?
  
 
 Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.)
 
 Nope.
 
 I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality...

Ah. An old Rolleiflex!

I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror 
lock-up...

It's nothing special, you'll all groan...

C

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Re: MX Winder

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

What should I check when buying a MX Winder (with or without the camera)?
£ukasz

They're pretty much bulletproof in my experience, with one notable 
exception: the battery door is prone to breaking. The plastic / 
polycarbonate material where that the thumbwheel screws into will 
eventually disintigrate and break. Having said that, it took 20 years for 
mine to so that! After that it's a big blob of 'gaffer' tape. Dunnon what 
you'd call it stateside, or anywhere else. Duct tape? Thick fabric tape.

Actually, on mine, the thumbwheel bolt itself broke! I fashioned a new 
one out of a metal bolt  complete with detents fot thumbnail to tighten / 
loosen.Then I screwed it up tight and wham - but the female nut bit. 
D'oh! Just tighten *enough* to secure battery door - do not overtighten 
and you will be fine.

Good luck,

Cotty

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Re: The Don's Photo show

2002-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: The Don's Photo show


 In a message dated 4/20/2002 4:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  I also saw what might well be my first digital camera. The
Lisle
  Kelco guy had a (soon to be released) Leica Digilux I
digital
  camera. It is a bit big, has a Leitz 2x zoom lens (I think
it
  was 22mm to 44mm), a nice big and sharp view screen, with a
flip
  up shade, reminiscent of a TLR shade. It also has full
manual
  control for exposure and focus, which I liked, as well as
the
  usual automated exposure controls. There is also a hot shoe
on
  top, so the thing isn't tied to the built in flash. The
camera
  is 4MP, and will have a street price of ~CAN$1400.00
 

 I have some questions about the Leica digital, for someone
who's actually
 seen it -- you, for instance. How does it do manual focus, and
is there a
 distance scale on the lens?

No distance scale on the lens. The focus ring is on the lens,
but I think it drives a motor in the lens. There is no focus
indication in the finder, but there is on the screen. Focus
confirmation is based on the center of the screen, but I think
manual focus could be done adequately on the view screen. It
seemed better than the Canon and Nikon digitals that I have
seen.

William Robb
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Re: The Don's Photo show

2002-04-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Paul Jones
Subject: Re: The Don's Photo show


 I've played with it, It does manual focus by making a beep
noise when the
 shot is in focus. It was based on getting the centre of the
viewfinder in
 focus. If it has a real manual focus through the viewfinder
then i'd buy
 one.

 Its the exact same camera as the panasonic Lumix and the
panasonic is
 cheaper.

Right about the manual focus. It shows up on the view screen as
well, which seemed better than the other screens I have seen on
digicams.
Does the Panasonic also have the Leitz lens?
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Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist

I bought a roll of Verichrome Pan the other day. Didn't know they still
made it, but I guess it's available in 120. I did a model shoot today,
but stuck with my Plus-X. Perhaps I'll try the Verichrome Pan tomorrow.
I'm not sure if XX is available in the US. Haven't seen it in a long
time. Royal X was a favorite of mine back in the seventies. I used to
shoot 120 Royal X at 4800 for indoor basketball and wrestling matches.
It was grainy but had nice mid tone greys.
Paul

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
 
 t HP5+? I've developed it in everything...it just doesn't like me
 
 I would say, stick with your favourite and use only it ;) If HP
 doesn't work for you, you could spend years tuning it when your
 already nice TX works nicely for you. It's only those darkroom
 freaks who spend more time in the dark sloshing chemistry around who
 get kicks out of 5% grain reduction by adding some obscure chemical
 into the developer and similar ;-))
 
 OTOH, I have seen some absolutely amazing 18x24cm (~8x10) prints
 from Kodak XX (NOT TX! it's good ole double X) in Rodinal... now I
 have a roll of the XX I will try to duplicate that ;)
 
 Good light,
Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Cotty

that sounds like rolleicord? do i get a candy?

No no no!

A guy called Zac told me that I'd have to use my Brain for the Zone 
system...

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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist

 Think entry level of quality...
 
 
A Mamiya TLR, perhaps a C220.
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Re: PUG down again? and I'm back :)

2002-04-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Thanks Jostein, I finally got through just a few mins ago.. and both
auto and pug seem fine again.

I have submitted :)

annsan

Jostein wrote:
 
 Welcome back, Ann!
 The PUG and the AutoPug is on each side of the Atlantic...:-)
 Here's a link for your bookmarks:
 http://oksne.net/autopug/pugform.asp
 
 Best,
 Jostein
 http://oksne.net
 - Original Message -
 From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:05 PM
 Subject: Re: PUG down again? and I'm back :)
 
  I tried pix, I tried to get just to mine, I tried submission
 deadline
  page - all bombed.
 
  I'm usually not the very last one to get a pic up for
  the gallery but things have been frantic.  I stupidly didn't
 bookmark
  the
  auto submit page but if the other stuff is down, it may be, also.
 
  Help.
 
  annsan
 
  p.s. OT - I came in 6th in the expert (but not premiere) division
 of
  the Boston
  Area Scrabble Tourney last weekend - yayayayay! Sorry, no pictures
  available :)
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Re: The Last Temptation of Dagor77.

2002-04-20 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Love it!  Thanks for sharing this with us, Wheatfield.

annsan

William Robb wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1347364890
 
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Re: Tokyo Lucky Homie (was 67 Hat For the Homies

2002-04-20 Thread Robert Harris

Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Bob,
 
 I am NOT shaving my head!

It is not necessary. Just give it time and Mother Nature will take care 
of it for you.

Bob
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RE: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread £ukasz Kacperczyk

What you need mirror lock-up on a TLR for???
And now for my guess - Kiev?
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Cotty
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:46 AM
To: Pentax List
Subject: Re: New Camera, New Format


   Cotty has a Lubitel?
  
   Nope.
 
  Pentacon 6?
 
 
 Maybe a Yashica Mat? (Surely *not* a Seagull TLR.)

 Nope.

 I said cheap, but I said quality also. Think entry level of quality...

Ah. An old Rolleiflex!

I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror
lock-up...

It's nothing special, you'll all groan...

C

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Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread Bob Rapp

Too bad Verichrome Pan is being discontinued. An old technology film with a
long toe and very smooth transistion to high lights.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?


 I bought a roll of Verichrome Pan the other day. Didn't know they still
 made it, but I guess it's available in 120. I did a model shoot today,
 but stuck with my Plus-X. Perhaps I'll try the Verichrome Pan tomorrow.
 I'm not sure if XX is available in the US. Haven't seen it in a long
 time. Royal X was a favorite of mine back in the seventies. I used to
 shoot 120 Royal X at 4800 for indoor basketball and wrestling matches.
 It was grainy but had nice mid tone greys.
 Paul

 Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
 
  t HP5+? I've developed it in everything...it just doesn't like me
 
  I would say, stick with your favourite and use only it ;) If HP
  doesn't work for you, you could spend years tuning it when your
  already nice TX works nicely for you. It's only those darkroom
  freaks who spend more time in the dark sloshing chemistry around who
  get kicks out of 5% grain reduction by adding some obscure chemical
  into the developer and similar ;-))
 
  OTOH, I have seen some absolutely amazing 18x24cm (~8x10) prints
  from Kodak XX (NOT TX! it's good ole double X) in Rodinal... now I
  have a roll of the XX I will try to duplicate that ;)
 
  Good light,
 Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: WTB: Camera Straps

2002-04-20 Thread frank theriault

Damaged filters?  Now thin leather straps?  I'm becoming curiouser and
curiouser...

-frank

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Looking for Spotmatic-era, thin leather camera straps.  If you've got
 any, please contact me off list.  Thanks!

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Re[2]: Tokyo Lucky Homie (was 67 Hat For the Homies

2002-04-20 Thread Bruce Dayton

Robert,

All my older brothers still have full heads of hair (oldest 52) and my
dad (78) still has a full head of hair.  I am not planning on the
natural course.  So far, no signs at all.  No thinning, no nutin.


Brother Bruce



Saturday, April 20, 2002, 4:10:53 PM, you wrote:

RH Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Bob,
 
 I am NOT shaving my head!

RH It is not necessary. Just give it time and Mother Nature will take care 
RH of it for you.

RH Bob
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Vivitar Series 1 135 2.3 VMC Pentax - MINT

2002-04-20 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

Looks nice. Not mine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1347633200

£ukasz
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Re: Pentax morning...

2002-04-20 Thread Paul F. Stregevsky

Remember my recent posting about the importance of preserving mundane 
memories for the future? Well, last year, I handed my camera to someone to 
snap a picture of me as I got my driver's license photo shot.


Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Re: 67 Hat For the Homies

2002-04-20 Thread Rob Studdert

On 19 Apr 2002 at 18:43, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 Visual puns are the worst kind of puns.  ;)
 
 So, Shel, do Leica guys wear hats made of feathers and razor blades?

No, Tilley's apparently http://www.tilley.com/index3.asp

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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RE: Aaron's wedding (was: Re: Shooting memories (was: Re: Your desert-island kit?))

2002-04-20 Thread Amita Guha

 Stop trying to tempt me, dammit, I PROMISED, no pictures on
 our wedding
 day.

Hehe...and Nate has been trying to talk me into carrying my camera on
our wedding day. It's what you do, why shouldn't you do it for the
wedding? Like I'll have time...although I think I might try to get in
a few shots anyway. At least I can tell the photographer which shots I
want. He's the fiance of my maid of honor. :)

--Amita
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/20/2002 5:47:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Ah. An old Rolleiflex!
 
 I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror 
 lock-up...
 

Not with a TLR, you wouldn't.

ERNR
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Re: Pentax morning...

2002-04-20 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/20/2002 7:11:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Remember my recent posting about the importance of preserving mundane 
 memories for the future? Well, last year, I handed my camera to someone to 
 snap a picture of me as I got my driver's license photo shot.
 

And?
Did you get the camera back from the person?

ERNR
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RE: MZ-S Focus Select in use is a moot point.

2002-04-20 Thread Gabriel Bovino

I find the 6 point autofocus on the MZ-S annoying at times... but very
useful at others.  I sometimes like carrying my camera over my shoulder and
just let the camera autofocus and shoot, so I can get some candid street
shots...  Granted they always don't come out perfect or the camera decides
to focus on something irrelevant... but considering the number of shots I've
tried with having the camera slung over my shoulder and me not looking
through the viewfinder... the MZ-S has fared well.

That's one thing I couldn't do with my PZ-1p with it's one focus point.

Check out this picture... I shot it without even looking through the
viewfinder... I sorta like it.  But hey, that's my opinion...

http://home.attbi.com/~gbovino/pics/street-riders.JPG

Gabe

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-S Focus Select in use is a moot point.


Actually, I find focus point selection to be very useful when shooting
portraits.  I select the second point from the right, which lines up nicely
with the subject's eye, rather than having auto focus point selection
locking on the nearest spot in the frame, often the elbow.  This makes your
shooting a one-step process (frame and shoot), rather than two-step (lock
focus, re-frame and shoot).

Also, it's easy to forget to lock focus in a busy session, so one more
chance for error is eliminated at the start.

For more general shooting, I just leave the selector on auto.

Pat White
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RE: MZS-D?!?!

2002-04-20 Thread John Coyle

Wrong, I'm afraid, Peter: the date/time imprint is in the lower right 
fifth of the frame,as is common with most systems.  The exposure 
information is imprinted above the frame area, between the sprocket 
holes.  For that reason, I have swicthed the date/time imprinting off, 
and occasionally use it on the fi5rst frame of a film only, just for 
record-keeping purposes.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia

On Saturday, 20 April 2002 10:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 But doesn't the MZ-S imprint the date/time INTO the frame area?!?
 Seems like quite stupid when they could imprint it into the sprockets
 area, where it would be MUCH MORE useful for pro/semi-pro/whatever
 photographers. Or does it do it this way?

 Frantisek. The info is imprinted between the sprocket holes. Very 
cool. (I do
 not have it here with today as it is my _day off_).

 Peter
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Re: Re: MX Winder

2002-04-20 Thread David Brooks

Duct tape? Thick fabric tape.

Red Green is everywere:)

Dave


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Re: Pentax morning...

2002-04-20 Thread Mishka

ROFL
man!
you've made my day!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Remember my recent posting about the importance of preserving mundane
  memories for the future? Well, last year, I handed my camera to someone
to
  snap a picture of me as I got my driver's license photo shot.

 And?
 Did you get the camera back from the person?

 ERNR
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff

PMFJI, but why would you need MLU on a Rolleiflex?  They don't have a
mirror.

Cotty wrote:

 Ah. An old Rolleiflex!
 
 I nearly went that way. But if I'm going to take landscapes I need mirror
 lock-up...

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: PUG down again? and I'm back :)

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist

Congratulations on your showing at the Scrabble tournament and welcome
back. I am sure the powers that be will straighten out the PuG difficulties.
Paul

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 I tried pix, I tried to get just to mine, I tried submission deadline
 page - all bombed.
 
 I'm usually not the very last one to get a pic up for
 the gallery but things have been frantic.  I stupidly didn't bookmark
 the
 auto submit page but if the other stuff is down, it may be, also.
 
 Help.
 
 annsan
 
 p.s. OT - I came in 6th in the expert (but not premiere) division of
 the Boston
 Area Scrabble Tourney last weekend - yayayayay! Sorry, no pictures
 available :)
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Re: New Camera, New Format

2002-04-20 Thread Bill Owens

Shel scribbled...

 PMFJI, but why would you need MLU on a Rolleiflex?  They don't have a
 mirror.

Ah, but they do have a mirror, is just isn't a moving one. :-)

Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist

The first roll of film I ever shot was Verichrome Pan. It was 610 film
in a little box camera that I bought for $2 at Erler's Cameras on 83rd
and Stony Island in Chicago. I was 10 years old, so it was 1958. I still
have some of the prints from that first roll, but I don't have the
camera.  Wish I did.
Paul

Bob Rapp wrote:
 
 Too bad Verichrome Pan is being discontinued. An old technology film with a
 long toe and very smooth transistion to high lights.
 
 Bob
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 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Delta 3200; was: Fast film recommendations?
 
  I bought a roll of Verichrome Pan the other day. Didn't know they still
  made it, but I guess it's available in 120. I did a model shoot today,
  but stuck with my Plus-X. Perhaps I'll try the Verichrome Pan tomorrow.
  I'm not sure if XX is available in the US. Haven't seen it in a long
  time. Royal X was a favorite of mine back in the seventies. I used to
  shoot 120 Royal X at 4800 for indoor basketball and wrestling matches.
  It was grainy but had nice mid tone greys.
  Paul
 
  Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
  
   t HP5+? I've developed it in everything...it just doesn't like me
  
   I would say, stick with your favourite and use only it ;) If HP
   doesn't work for you, you could spend years tuning it when your
   already nice TX works nicely for you. It's only those darkroom
   freaks who spend more time in the dark sloshing chemistry around who
   get kicks out of 5% grain reduction by adding some obscure chemical
   into the developer and similar ;-))
  
   OTOH, I have seen some absolutely amazing 18x24cm (~8x10) prints
   from Kodak XX (NOT TX! it's good ole double X) in Rodinal... now I
   have a roll of the XX I will try to duplicate that ;)
  
   Good light,
  Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Vivitar Series 1 135 2.3 VMC Pentax - MINT

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Stenquist

Wow, nice piece of glass. Someone who needs a 135 should pick it up. You
can't get a better 135 for $200.
Paul

£ukasz Kacperczyk wrote:
 
 Looks nice. Not mine.
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1347633200
 
 £ukasz
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Best travel SMC-A zoom Lens?

2002-04-20 Thread Steve Pearson

I'm going on a trip soon  might want to buy a good
zoom (I know that might be an oxymoron for some
people).  However, for the sake of travelling
light...Does anyone have a favorite SMC-A lens that
takes great pictures and is a good focal length for
all-around picture taking?  

Thanks for any suggestions-Have a great weekend everyone.
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