Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
OK, so now we're at least seven -- Annsan, Amita, Wendy, me, Jeepgirl, Pat in SF and Kathy with the name neither Dan nor I can spell. eight ^_^ To get even more firmly on topic, what Pentaxes are the sisterhood shooting with? MX and ME bye Katrin
Re: OT: Epson ink use printing issues
Less glossy papers wick the ink out away from the point of application. So throwing a 0.01mm droplet of ink, it'll hit the paper and be wicked out to maybe 0.05mm or 0.1mm (depending on the paper, of course). In general, the matter the paper, the more wicking action it will have. There's a technical term for this, but I can't recall it at the moment. Doug, Dot gain, I think. --Mike
Re: OT Pentax wife
Ka and Kaf? Bob - Original Message - From: Treena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: OT Pentax wife I'm a Pentax wife, and I've got a Pentax husband - we have no compatibility issues. :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: RE: OT Pentax wife Amita wrote, in response to Ann: Please remember there are a number of women on this list, too. Yeah, there are, what, four of us? g We lost that nice lady from New Zealand, right? You two, Wendy, me ... Doe aka Marnie wandered away recently ... WHO am I forgetting? I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody; I usually do. And the next relevant point to consider is how many of the said women on the list are married and therefore, indeed Pentax wives not just Pentax women. I have my own ideas as to which of the gentlemen can tell us, definitively, how many women are here.
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
Not sure if this happens to other people, but my email program is not able to sort Mike's emails. So all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Sorry, Mike, I did not mean to pick on you :-) A few other posters' emails behave the same way. Just that your emails are on my always read list, that's why I find it so noticeable. Lawrence, I think that's because I read, and respond to, the Digest. Thus when I respond to a thread, I have to manually title the reply. That probably breaks the chain. It's very tempting to simply re-title each reply, but people complain when I do that, so now I try to copy the existing thread title and paste it in. --Mike
Hahnemuhle paper, WAS: Three Tips and an Announcement
As I say, my favorite paper is Epson Enhanced Matte, née Archival Matte (I guess it wasn't archival enough to call Archival any more s). It's only $14 for 50 sheets at BH Photo. Here's the link: Yep, I have a pack of that stuff already. Nice enough but nowhere near Hahnemuhle William Turner Fine Art née Ilford Fine Art. Bill, Do you use the 190 or the 310? --Mike
RE: OT Pentax wife
I have my own ideas as to which of the gentlemen can tell us, definitively, how many women are here. Mutley-snigger Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
Dear Adelheid! Cotty snigger Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: The myth of ist and 67III
It appears to me that the rumours of the new Pentax cameras ist and 67III come from a recent interview of the President of Pentax in Japan. During the interview, he said that compact and simple are the major direction of current Pentax camera development and Pentax is developing a compact version of the 67 camera. He quoted the highly popular ist series of small car from Toyota as the example and role model for Pentax Henry, Thanks very much for this information, which is fascinating. It partly amplifies, partly corrects, and partly confirms what Pal was reporting. It will be really interesting to see what a redesigned 6x7 would look like. The current camera has such old roots. I personally hope that it has the metering in the body, not in the prism. Many years ago I used an Exakta 66 for about 6 months--it was an unmetered 6x6 SLR with a waist-level finder. I had so many reliability problems with it that I gave it up (it had much more ancient roots than the P67, going back to the Praktisix and Pentacon Six), but I was addicted to the combination of the SLR layout and waist-level viewing. Adding metering to that arrangement would be great. When I shot with that Exakta 66 I went for six months without a light meter. I got very good at it, but it takes concentration--I always had to be looking at the light, and I photographed every day. I've tried going without a meter since then, but when I only photograph once or twice a week it is much more difficult. --Mike
re: PUG access
Hi, Feroze wrote: I get that often too, always the same pics that wont load. Herb's idea to use Netscape seems good. What are you using? Er, Netscape 4.61 8-) I've tried it with many options enabled/disabled but I still cannot access all images in many pages. This is usually only particularly annoying with the PUG. In any case, I can rarely be bothered with image laden pages (other than photography ones) as my machine is quite slow and I usually go somewhere else if a page takes more than a count of five to load. I use this technique quite a lot, especially on sites with splash pages and loads of plug-in guff. So I got a copy of Explorer 5.00. Although this also sometimes does not load every picture on a site, it has never failed me with the PUG, so I use it exclusively for that. I don't use it for other browsing because I find the controls are not quite as intuitive as Netscape, it has an annoying habit of wanting to tell _me_ what to do and, being British, I always root for the underdog. mike
Could these be the upcoming IS Pentax lenses?
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Re: ten new cameras
Hi, Rob wrote: (expletive deleted) 10 new digitals in the next 4 months But Henry's original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line. mike
Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
For latest on what Tanya is doing (plus a cheap 28/3.5) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3005204514category=46 88 Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife Actually, Fairy-Girl hung around (actively) for about 9 months until her husband lost his job and they had to move to another part of Australia. Breaking her first camera was fairly early in her stay on PDML - several of us facilitated replacements and she kept on. She had a thriving kids' photography business going after a while. She has since had another child of her own and hasn't gotten back to photography yet last i heard.
Re[2]: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Rob wrote: RB The next year is certainly going to be exciting, one way or another... To bent a quote, 2003 will be an exciting year or Pentax will not be at all... Servus, Alin
Re: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
That Optio thingy is s small, rather cute too. I wouldn`t mind having one. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced More details on the Pentax press conference today including photos of a Optio S cutting into halves, the future plans of Pentax and photos of the President of Pentax: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0204/pentax.htm Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ten new cameras
Mike wrote: But Henry's original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line. But according to Pentax president everything they do currently is small and lightweight so it could mean anything... Pål
Re: NYC PDML: 2/22/03?
i am able to make Saturday or Sunday, whichever date that turns out to be. since i am taking Metro North into the city as well, i don't want to stay too late. Herb...
Re: LX motor nicad pack
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do NiMH require different charger from NiCad? Just an extension of charge time proportional to the increase in capacity over the original cells. Of course, as has been pointed out here, fast charging NiMH with a peak detecting NiCd charger can cause damage through overcharging -- the extraneous heat damages the cell, and can cause venting (and, in the worst case scenario, an explosion). Overnight chargers are safe. The beauty of the Ni-MH cells is that they are less prone to memory effect than Ni-Cd and they are generally higher capacity. Ahem. The memory effect rightly belongs in quotation marks, since it does not exist in the real world, except if provoked by carefully creating the very special circumstances needed. It is caused by the fact that long-time trickle charging (without discharging) of the cell causes a higher internal resistance during the first discharge afterwards. This means, of course, a lower voltage during that first discharge. Now, if you take out exactly the same amount of stored power a large number of times, trickle charging the cell back up to full each time, you're eventually going to see memory. This is because you're using the same physical part of the cell each time (or, specifically, the same outer layer of each sheet of metal), while the rest is never discharged, but being trickle charged a lot. If you then, after this has been going on for a long time, discharge the cell fully, you'll see a voltage drop when you pass the point where you've previously stopped discharging. This can cause whatever is using the cell to issue a low battery warning, fooling you into believing that the cell has lost the ability to store more energy than the amount normally utilized. In fact, the rest of the energy is there; it will just discharge at a lower voltage. All it takes to erase the memory is a single, full discharge and recharge. However they do self discharge far more rapidly. Yup. 3-4% per day, against about 1% per day for NiCd. They also can't deliver as much current, so a camera motor drive might run just a tad more slowly with a NiMH battery than with NiCd. -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901
Re: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Alin Flaider wrote: To bent a quote, 2003 will be an exciting year or Pentax will not be at all... Sadly, I agree with this... Cheers, Boz
Re: Three Tips and an Announcement
Mike, That Enhanced Matte (S041341) is $11.42/50 sheets @ www.atlex.com. I've yet to see lower prices for the Epson supplies. I've used them and have no complaints. On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:15:55 -0800 (PST), Mike Johnston wrote: Mark, As I say, my favorite paper is Epson Enhanced Matte, née Archival Matte (I guess it wasn't archival enough to call Archival any more s). It's only $14 for 50 sheets at BH Photo. Here's the link: That's only $.28 per sheet, according to my calculator. --Cheapskate Mike Ken Waller PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: ten new cameras
I've got to wonder if Mike W. has not got it right... new Espio's. Think small, compact, popularly priced, mass market digital. This is how you take the stock price to 1000 yen, and this is the same market as the ME/ME Super some 20+ years ago. Recreating the success of the past with great cameras at good prices. Regards, Bob S. But Henry's original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line.
Re: Women of the PDML
At 03:36 AM 04/02/2003 -0500, you wrote: OTOH, I seem to remember reading that there are several couples on the PDML who share the Pentax platform. Wendy (who lost a Pentax lens to hubby's collection?) I lost two, actually. A lovely new 28-105 3.2-4.5 and an 80-320. Gave me an excuse to buy the 24-90 as a replacement for my camera ;-) (Of course the thought never entered my head when I bought him the MZ-5n in the first place) W. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: Women of the PDML
At 03:36 AM 04/02/2003 -0500, you wrote: To get even more firmly on topic, what Pentaxes are the sisterhood shooting with? ERN (PZ-1; ZX-5n; LX; MX; WR-90. Prefer cameras to be as compact as reasonably possible) MX, LX, MZ-S, 67. MX is still my favourite, but the MZ-S is now my most used. W. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
RE: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Just ran it through babelfish and it doesn't really say anything new apart from reiterating the 10 new models stuff. The only bit which could be interesting is for the Optio S: In addition as for MCM, we have assumed it actualized the release time lag of approximately 0.01 seconds, shortened also starting time Does this mean a fast startup and short shutter lag? That 'cut in half' pucture is REALLY cool! -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 February 2003 12:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced Can someone please translate this? Pål - Original Message - From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced More details on the Pentax press conference today including photos of a Optio S cutting into halves, the future plans of Pentax and photos of the President of Pentax: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0204/pentax.htm Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Sigma 24/2.8 Super Wide II
Hi, I recieved my Sigma EX 24mm/1.8 just today. I can't comment on the optical quality yet (other than no distortion visible), but the mechanical side could be better. Focusing from 18cm to infinity in a quarter of a twist takes getting used to since I use only manual focusing gear. The focus is dampened pretty well but there is some play with it and it has a whirring noise to it. Well I guess most AF lenses do this when focusing in MF. But still: yuck. I´ve read good things about the quality of these 20,24 and 28mm EXDGASPMACRO :) Sigmas. Only thing concerning me is flare, but I´m sure this lens doesn´t flare nearly as much as my Tamron 24mm/2.5 did. If I only had a FA* 24mm/2 to test the Sigma with... Guess I´ll upload some sample pics in the coming weeks. -mte
Re: The myth of ist and 67III
Pål Jensen wrote: Henry wrote:Hnenry wrote: It appears to me that the rumours of the new Pentax cameras ist and 67III come from a recent interview of the President of Pentax in Japan. During the interview, he said that compact and simple are the major direction of current Pentax camera development and Pentax is developing a compact version of the 67 camera. He quoted the highly popular ist series of small car from Toyota as the example and role model for Pentax: My source is not the President of Pentax but is nice to see that he too confirm the work of a more compact 67. This interview explains the origins of the ist name and we can therefore assume that this name will not be used. Otherwise I'm not entirely happy with this news as those Toyotas are horrible. Pål What does those Toyotas are horrible. mean? What is your experience with them? keith
Julia Margaret Cameron (Was Re: Women in Photography.)
Hi, Paul wrote: I saw an exhibition of her work last year, quite amazing what was achieved so early on. Having taken up the subject in middle age, when she was probably expected to settle into dowager-like somnolence, and dealing with an almost completely do-it-yourself process involving wet negatives when taking a picture, her output is certainly impressive. Many people (then and now) dislike(d) her work as it was the antithesis of what many were striving for at the time. Unlike most of her peers, who were striving to get the utmost resolution and detail into their prints, JMC dressed her subjects in mythical, ethereal types of costume and then deliberately defocused, to give the pictures a dreamy look. Or, maybe she was just short-sighted. Her home on the Isle of Wight is now a photography museum. mike
RE: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Maybe Mr. Babelfish will give you a clue...:-) Ondrej -Original Message- From: Pĺl Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced Can someone please translate this? Pål - Original Message - From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced More details on the Pentax press conference today including photos of a Optio S cutting into halves, the future plans of Pentax and photos of the President of Pentax: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0204/pentax.htm Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: RE; PDML NY Dates
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Butch Black wrote: I checked a calendar Fri is the 21st, Sat 22nd, Sun 23rd. We are off to a great start gang. VBG Alright, I admit it, my calender was from last year. I'm easily confused! Its not _my_ fault I looked at the stupid computer calender clock thing and not the big paper one I've hung on my wall (which, really, is just there to look nice) -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
At 22:12 3.2.2003 +, you wrote: OK, so now we're at least seven -- Annsan, Amita, Wendy, me, Jeepgirl, Pat in SF and Kathy with the name neither Dan nor I can spell. Hmm.. Katrin from Germany ? Antti-Pekka .. and of course Adelheid; no idea HOW I managed to forget her. (I've a really bad memory.)
DC PDML Outing #5
#5 will be a weekday dinner to accomodate our travelling secretary Cesar Matamoros. Date: 2/24/03 Time: 7:30 Place: Mandalay Restaurant, College Park, MD http://www.mandalayrc.com/index.html Directions: http://www.mandalayrc.com/directions.html The restaurant might be a little hard to spot. It's about 10 yards past the China Buffet on the right side of the road. Mandalay is on the left side. It's in a small 2 or 3 shop strip mall. If you cross over University or see a 7-11 you've gone too far. So far we have definite maybes from Cesar, Christian, Geoff, Glenn, Ed Mark and Stephen. My cell is 301-758-3085 if you get lost. tv -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085
RE: OT Pentax wife
Cotty posted: I have my own ideas as to which of the gentlemen can tell us, definitively, how many women are here. Mutley-snigger OK, that's one heard from, but you didn't provide the number. What were we up to now, ten?
RE: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
-Original Message- From: Stan Halpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] And don't forget Daphne - she is still around. Did we include Deb in Texas? tv
Re: Women in photography
Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday, February 3, 2003, 8:30:09 PM, you wrote: [...] I'm in the middle of volume 3 of Simon Schama's A History of Britain and just read a long, fascinating section about Julia Margaret Cameron. (Quite a refreshing surprise considering Schama's focus otherwise is almost entirely on political history.) Has just 4 reproductions of her photographs, but I think that's more coverage than any other artist gets in the whole series. Simon Schama has also published books on art, particularly Rembrandt. Bit of a polymathic dude. Fascinating. Julia Margaret Cameron frequently staged her photographs to represent scenes from the bible, from Shakespeare's plays or to replicate famous paintings. Rembrandt was one of her favorite painters to emulate. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Frying Pan to Fire (Was Re: New Thread - Air Travel and film)
Doug Franklin wrote: It must have been Wilmer McLean who first coined the phrase, You can run but you can't hide. If he didn't coin it, he sure made a good (?bad?) example. :-) I've heard a permutation of this story, probably an urban legend, but what the heck: In the late 1930s, when the storm clouds of war were gathering over Europe, there was a Briton who saw what was coming and decided to move to someplace safe. He did extensive research, pored over maps for months, and finally settled on a spot. He picked up himself and his family and moved to a small island in the middle of the Pacific, a place few had heard of, in which nobody could possibly have the slightest interest. It was a little island called Guadalcanal... Cheers! Stephen
Re: ten new cameras
Bob wrote: I've got to wonder if Mike W. has not got it right... new Espio's. Think small, compact, popularly priced, mass market digital. This is how you take the stock price to 1000 yen, and this is the same market as the ME/ME Super some 20+ years ago. One DSLR, one film sibling and a new 67. That leaves a maximum of seven Espios :o) Pål
Re: 3rd party 24mm (was Speaking of M series lenses)
I wondered that myself - I was familiar with Fotomat but did not know that they had an SLR line. The lens was designated macro' and had macro-style magnification markings on the barrel, which is pretty distinctive for a 24mm. - MCC At 06:07 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote: On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 18:40:23 -0500, Mark Cassino wrote: One was a Fotomat 24mm f2.8 macro. It was a pretty decent lens and focused Hum, wonder if the brand was related to the FotoMat chain of processing stores that was around in the 70-80's. If so, that lens was made by Konica as that is the SLR and film line they carried. Their own label of film was also Konica and was excellent stuff Later, Gary - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
RE: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
To get even more firmly on topic, what Pentaxes are the sisterhood shooting with? K1000 KM Optio 230
RE: ten new cameras
-Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Bob wrote: I've got to wonder if Mike W. has not got it right... new Espio's. Think small, compact, popularly priced, mass market digital. This is how you take the stock price to 1000 yen, and this is the same market as the ME/ME Super some 20+ years ago. One DSLR, one film sibling and a new 67. That leaves a maximum of seven Espios :o) I think we'll see a 2nd DSLR announced by the end of the year. tv
Re: ten new cameras
But Henry's original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line. Most likely, something along these lines, although I anticipate more compact digital models. However, from the rumblings, it looks like there could be as many as three new cameras by the Fall that will be of interest to US--namely, the P-DSLR (which contrary to previous reports, may indeed be called ist), the new compact 6x7 (I would think that a promise from the president of the company is as good as it's going to get in terms of future certainty) , and one new 35mm SLR...which may be another mass-market consumer jobbie, true, but then again it may not be. If this comes to pass, three out of ten cameras being of interest to PDML'ers ain't a bad ratio at all, not at all. Two out of ten ain't bad either, if the film SLR turns out to be another non-serious camera for the Disney crowds. Incidentally, I know nothing. Well, I know one minor thing, but I ain't supposed to say. --Mike P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that'll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn't mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...)
Re: Snow Crystal Photographs
Thanks, Ken, glad you like them! I wound up going with the extension setup after trying a variety of stacked lens setups (e.g. A*200mm macro with an M50mm f1.7 reverse mounted in front.) The reserve mounted 50mm on extension seems to be sharper than any of the stacked lens setups. The biggest problem is focusing - the 50mm f4 on 300mm of extension has an effective aperture of f28 - so the finder is pretty dim, even with lots of lights. - MCC At 06:06 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: Great job Mark! I like them all agree that the featured image is the best IMHO Curious as to how you arrived at your lens/extension setup? Kenneth Waller - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
All email programs seem to have their own way of recognising threads, but none I have encountered so far have a 100% hit rate. Best, Jostein === At 2003-02-04, 00:40:00 you wrote: === On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: Finally, I'm pleased to report that my weekly column, The Sunday Morning Photographer, has just been picked up by photo.net First, congratulations! I am glad that a wider audience can now enjoy your column. Here's an unrelated topic. To handle the large volume of this list, I use Sort by Threads to select the topics I am interested in. Not sure if this happens to other people, but my email program is not able to sort Mike's emails. So all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Sorry, Mike, I did not mean to pick on you :-) A few other posters' emails behave the same way. Just that your emails are on my always read list, that's why I find it so noticeable. I found that the Reference: field header (which has the message ID of the email you are replying to in order to sort the emails into threads) was missing in your emails. I am not familiar with Entourage, so I do not know if there is a setting you can change. Anyone else who have noticed this problem? Or could it be a problem with my email program instead? -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04
Re: Snow Crystal Photographs
At 01:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, Mike Johnston wrote: Are you aware that there's a children's book out now about an early pioneer of snowflake photography? I can't remember the name of the book/man, but I know it's being widely read in public schools around here right now. Maybe you could piggyback on that interest to get yourself some good publicity Thanks Mike, and Frank, for that info re Snowflake Bentley. I get emails from teachers now and then about the snowflakes, so I know that some of them are looking at those photos. I think there's a real fascination with seeing something close up that is usually only seen from afar. FWIW - the last of the 2003 snowflake images has a couple links on the page, one to a site coving Wilson Bentley. That site has a reprint of an article he wrote for Popular Mechanics on how to photograph snowflakes - it's still an excellent source of information. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Re: RE: OT Pentax wife
=== At 2003-02-03, 18:47:00 you wrote: === And the next relevant point to consider is how many of the said women on the list are married and therefore, indeed Pentax wives not just Pentax women. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Wonder what the ratio is of Pentax husbands to Pentax Men :-) Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04
Re: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Dear all, Some new information from digitalcamera.jp regarding the press conference today by Pentax: 1. The ten new cameras are digital (not mentioned in the web sites I quoted earlier) 2. The manufacture base of Pentax in Philippine can produce 7-8 digital cameras per month. 3. The image processing software of Optio S is solely Pentax in-house design. 4. All the Casio digital cameras after QV-10 use Pentax lens. The cooperative relationship between the two companies is very good and successful and will continue in the future. 5. Pentax is going to announce digital cameras of higher image quality and higher performance very soon. 6. Budget on digital camera development has doubled last year. Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ten new cameras to be announced Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:20:35 +0800 Dear all, Just got some stunning news from Japan. Today, Pentax officially announced the Optio S in Japanese market. The President of Pentax stated that Pentax is now ready to enter the competition in digital cameras battle field, like he is now standing in the boxing ring and the bell is ringing. He also stated that by mid 2003, there will be more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras entering into the market. They will strengthen the advertising activities and hope to increase their market shares from 2% to 5%. The current camera production rate of the company is about 70,000 to 80,000 units per month. Here is the Japanese link: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030204-0019-bcn-sci Am I dreaming? Pentax is waking up! Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: ten new cameras
Ah, but the 'more than 10' new ones are due by MID 2003! So much happenning... -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I think we'll see a 2nd DSLR announced by the end of the year.
RE: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Henry, you are a saint!! -Original Message- From: Iren Henry Chu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 February 2003 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced Dear all, Some new information from digitalcamera.jp regarding the press conference today by Pentax: 1. The ten new cameras are digital (not mentioned in the web sites I quoted earlier) 2. The manufacture base of Pentax in Philippine can produce 7-8 digital cameras per month. 3. The image processing software of Optio S is solely Pentax in-house design. 4. All the Casio digital cameras after QV-10 use Pentax lens. The cooperative relationship between the two companies is very good and successful and will continue in the future. 5. Pentax is going to announce digital cameras of higher image quality and higher performance very soon. 6. Budget on digital camera development has doubled last year. Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ten new cameras to be announced Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:20:35 +0800 Dear all, Just got some stunning news from Japan. Today, Pentax officially announced the Optio S in Japanese market. The President of Pentax stated that Pentax is now ready to enter the competition in digital cameras battle field, like he is now standing in the boxing ring and the bell is ringing. He also stated that by mid 2003, there will be more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras entering into the market. They will strengthen the advertising activities and hope to increase their market shares from 2% to 5%. The current camera production rate of the company is about 70,000 to 80,000 units per month. Here is the Japanese link: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030204-0019-bcn-sci Am I dreaming? Pentax is waking up! Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Re: ten new cameras
Hi Mike, Please answer my direct mail to you. Cheers Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: But Henry\'s original quote was: more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras I see this as more likely to be literally what it says - an overhaul of the Espio line. Most likely, something along these lines, although I anticipate more compact digital models. However, from the rumblings, it looks like there could be as many as three new cameras by the Fall that will be of interest to US--namely, the P-DSLR (which contrary to previous reports, may indeed be called ist), the new compact 6x7 (I would think that a promise from the president of the company is as good as it\'s going to get in terms of future certainty) , and one new 35mm SLR...which may be another mass-market consumer jobbie, true, but then again it may not be. If this comes to pass, three out of ten cameras being of interest to PDML\'ers ain\'t a bad ratio at all, not at all. Two out of ten ain\'t bad either, if the film SLR turns out to be another non-serious camera for the Disney crowds. Incidentally, I know nothing. Well, I know one minor thing, but I ain\'t supposed to say. --Mike P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that\'ll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn\'t mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...) --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
RE: ten new cameras
-Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ah, but the 'more than 10' new ones are due by MID 2003! This is true, but I think only one will be a dslr, and it will be targeted at the low end. I think a higher spec'd one will follow shortly. tv
Deer with arrow on web more to come
I just managed to get the first shot of the deer with the arrow in its head on my website more to follow. Go to new images and then click on first thumbnail http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/NewImgs.html vic
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 03:01 AM, Mike Johnston wrote: It's very tempting to simply re-title each reply, but people complain when I do that, so now I try to copy the existing thread title and paste it in. --Mike And it's a much appreciated change. Dan Scott
Re: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
This is wonderful news! I left Henry's previous message appended, as this message is a continuation and elaboration of that message. Just when we thought Pentax was going to abandon us, right? All the doom-sayers can now recant. Or remain silent and ponder... grin keith whaley Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, Some new information from digitalcamera.jp regarding the press conference today by Pentax: 1. The ten new cameras are digital (not mentioned in the web sites I quoted earlier) 2. The manufacture base of Pentax in Philippine can produce 7-8 digital cameras per month. 3. The image processing software of Optio S is solely Pentax in-house design. 4. All the Casio digital cameras after QV-10 use Pentax lens. The cooperative relationship between the two companies is very good and successful and will continue in the future. 5. Pentax is going to announce digital cameras of higher image quality and higher performance very soon. 6. Budget on digital camera development has doubled last year. Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ten new cameras to be announced Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:20:35 +0800 Dear all, Just got some stunning news from Japan. Today, Pentax officially announced the Optio S in Japanese market. The President of Pentax stated that Pentax is now ready to enter the competition in digital cameras battle field, like he is now standing in the boxing ring and the bell is ringing. He also stated that by mid 2003, there will be more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras entering into the market. They will strengthen the advertising activities and hope to increase their market shares from 2% to 5%. The current camera production rate of the company is about 70,000 to 80,000 units per month. Here is the Japanese link: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030204-0019-bcn-sci Am I dreaming? Pentax is waking up! Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003
PDMLDSLR
P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that'll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn't mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...) So just for fun, here's my conservative prediction: that the PDMLDSLR will be a small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera with a 6-mp APS-sized CCD sensor. It will take FA lenses (and perhaps older A lenses with limitations) with a 1.5X magnification factor, and there will be one new lens introduced or promised for it that will cover only the digital sensor and not 35mm film. This will be a wide-angle zoom. It will sell in the $1,500-$1,600 range, and availability will be late August or September. It will be seen only under glass at PMA with the sketchiest of descriptions, Cesar will receive an official picture of it and post it for the rest of us, and long months will drag by before we really know everything for certain. That's what I'd bet on. If I were forced to bet on something. Here's what could also happen: Pentax could throw us all for a loop. This could be: Negative; meaning something badly spec'd, or an adaptation of another company's camera, or basically point-and-shoot capabilities but with interchangeable lenses, or something designed to be marketed around the premise of some special feature that turns out to be ridiculous; or: Positive, meaning something really innovative that will appeal to people and catch on, but something nobody expects. And now REALLY just for fun, here's what I'd PERSONALLY be happy to see (I'm just pulling this out of my butt--with apologies for my french to the PDMLWL [PDML Wimmins League]--this has absolutely no bearing on reality): the aforementioned small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera, but with a pellicle mirror that allows real-time preview on the LCD screen, and a 3-mp (right, 3-mp) Fuji SuperCCD SR (super dynamic range) sensor--and a 6-mp version promised for the not-too-distant future. And, not only a wide-angle zoom that covers only the digital sensor, but two wide-angle fast primes as well. Now, just as Murphy's law is a law, and just as it is only sure to rain if you don't bring your umbrella, nothing I would specify for my own odd little desires would ever actually come to pass; so, the only CERTAIN information in this post is that the features outlined in the previous paragraph will NOT be found in the upcoming P-DSLR. And, friends, you can take that to the bank . g --Mike P.S. Sorry, Bob S., I've let you down.
RE: Deer with arrow on web more to come
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I just managed to get the first shot of the deer with the arrow in its head on my website more to follow. Go to new images and then click on first thumbnail http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/NewImgs.html That's gotta hurt. tv
Re: Women of the PDML Re: OT Pentax wife
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 01:30 AM, Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: At 22:12 3.2.2003 +, you wrote: OK, so now we're at least seven -- Annsan, Amita, Wendy, me, Jeepgirl, Pat in SF and Kathy with the name neither Dan nor I can spell. Hmm.. Katrin from Germany ? Antti-Pekka Wasn't there a Daphne from Israel? I seem to remember she was replacing all her M glass with K glass because of the feel. Dan Scott
Re: ten new cameras
There is no doubt that Pentax can build a solid future on PS style cameras, like Olympus did, but how many people on this list really care about those cameras? BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got to wonder if Mike W. has not got it right... new Espio's. Think small, compact, popularly priced, mass market digital. This is how you take the stock price to 1000 yen, and this is the same market as the ME/ME Super some 20+ years ago. Recreating the success of the past with great cameras at good prices. Regards, Bob S.
Re: Pentax women
Hi, There was also the lurker Mary Jane from Krakow, Poland (just in case there's a Krakow, Texas) who moved to Colorado for a while. Don't know if she's still around. Speak now. m
Re: Deer with arrow on web more to come
Please use this method to get to the deer site. I'd be interested to see how many people go to see it. my Website counter is on this page. Just click on new images and then the first thumbnail which is a picture of the deer. I apologize for the Copyright signs. http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/myhomepage/artgallery.html Thanks vic
Re: ten new cameras
If you look at the cut-away, you would see that the camera is flat only with the lens stored. To make it pack flat the center element group is moved out of the light path so the front and rear groups can be brought closer together. I wonder what sort of alignment can be maintained after that camera is opened and closed 1,000 times. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me. I'd like something along the lines of a Canon G3 with Pentax design philosophy. I'm really interested in the image quality of the Optio S. With the flat front of the case, a piece of cling film printed with any type of cigarette or small package labels would make the camera almost invisible for street shootingand the size can't be beat. I'm willing to bet that with that camera I could start taking pictures of my 6 year old son without having him stick out his tongue, rolling his eyes or otherwise attempting to spoil the shot. ;-) Dan Scott
Overexposure of PZ1+K and M lenses
Dear All, I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
RE: Deer with arrow on web more to come
Ouch! Poor thing. I wish you guys the best of luck in tranqulizing her...
Re: PDMLDSLR
Mike wrote: the aforementioned small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera, but with a pellicle mirror that allows real-time preview on the LCD screen, and a 3-mp (right, 3-mp) Fuji SuperCCD SR (super dynamic range) sensor--and a 6-mp version promised for the not-too-distant future. Actually, such a solution has been patented by Pentax... Pål
RE: The myth of ist and 67III
More speculation for PMA: Sigma to unveil a complete range of 6x7 lenses with OS ;-) -Original Message- From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It's not the bodies that cost, it's the lenses. Where are you going to find a $100 Sigma 6x7 zoom for it?
RE: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
I really like how pentax is spelled in japanese: pentak(u)su *g* On 4 Feb 2003 at 15:15, Rob Brigham wrote: Henry, you are a saint!! -Original Message- From: Iren Henry Chu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 February 2003 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten new cameras to be announced Dear all, Some new information from digitalcamera.jp regarding the press conference today by Pentax: 1. The ten new cameras are digital (not mentioned in the web sites I quoted earlier) 2. The manufacture base of Pentax in Philippine can produce 7-8 digital cameras per month. 3. The image processing software of Optio S is solely Pentax in-house design. 4. All the Casio digital cameras after QV-10 use Pentax lens. The cooperative relationship between the two companies is very good and successful and will continue in the future. 5. Pentax is going to announce digital cameras of higher image quality and higher performance very soon. 6. Budget on digital camera development has doubled last year. Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ten new cameras to be announced Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:20:35 +0800 Dear all, Just got some stunning news from Japan. Today, Pentax officially announced the Optio S in Japanese market. The President of Pentax stated that Pentax is now ready to enter the competition in digital cameras battle field, like he is now standing in the boxing ring and the bell is ringing. He also stated that by mid 2003, there will be more than 10 new light weight and compact Pentax cameras entering into the market. They will strengthen the advertising activities and hope to increase their market shares from 2% to 5%. The current camera production rate of the company is about 70,000 to 80,000 units per month. Here is the Japanese link: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030204-0019-bcn-sci Am I dreaming? Pentax is waking up! Regards, Henry Chu 4/2/2003 _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ** Desertrose Chris' Katrin's X Japan homepage! Please visit it! http://www.xjapan.de * From now on I will try to live for you and for me. I will live with love...with dreams... and forever with tears.. **
Re: Overexposure of PZ1+K and M lenses
Alek wrote: I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. No idea but it did happen with two of my A lenses: the A 24/2.8 and the A 35/2.8. I don't really remember the details anymore as I don't own the camera anylonger. Pål
Re: Ten new cameras to be announced!!!!
Keith wrote: Just when we thought Pentax was going to abandon us, right Wrong! I never thought for a moment. Pål
Re: The myth of ist and 67III
As for me, I'm not asking for a smaller 67 or a plastic one. I want it to be fully compatible with the current lenses. You don't buy MF to save money on your photography. About the only area where I find the 67II problematic is in the flash synch area. They could really use a new 75mm leaf shutter lens to go with the 165 and possibly improve the standard flash synch to 1/60. I await the news with interest. Bruce Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:37:30 AM, you wrote: BR It's not the bodies that cost, it's the lenses. Where are you going to BR find a $100 Sigma 6x7 zoom for it? BR BR BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh the horror, the horror . . . How about a plastic MZ/ZX style 6x7 for under $500? Make it easier for those amateur types to enter the MF area . . . If it were cheap enough, I'd think about buying it.
RE: The myth of ist and 67III
last I looked, a new 6x7 body from BH was running about $1500. The $1000 difference might let me buy a lens. . . -Original Message- From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It's not the bodies that cost, it's the lenses. Where are you going to find a $100 Sigma 6x7 zoom for it? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ten new cameras
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: If you look at the cut-away, you would see that the camera is flat only with the lens stored. To make it pack flat the center element group is moved out of the light path so the front and rear groups can be brought closer together. I wonder what sort of alignment can be maintained after that camera is opened and closed 1,000 times. If the electro-mechanical engineer has done HIS job well, it will easily survive... 1000 times is a picayune goal! I seriously doubt that it closes with a SLAM! It undoubtedly eases up, in and closed, and gently settles into it's dock, nice and snug... You ought to get 100,000 cycles or more out of a gentle motion like that! keith whaley, M.E. emeritus! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me. I'd like something along the lines of a Canon G3 with Pentax design philosophy. I'm really interested in the image quality of the Optio S. With the flat front of the case, a piece of cling film printed with any type of cigarette or small package labels would make the camera almost invisible for street shootingand the size can't be beat. I'm willing to bet that with that camera I could start taking pictures of my 6 year old son without having him stick out his tongue, rolling his eyes or otherwise attempting to spoil the shot. ;-)
Re: ten new cameras
Hope you're right! g Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One DSLR, one film sibling and a new 67. That leaves a maximum of seven Espios :o) Pål
Re: ten new cameras
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: If you look at the cut-away, you would see that the camera is flat only with the lens stored. To make it pack flat the center element group is moved out of the light path so the front and rear groups can be brought closer together. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess I thought it was obvious I wasn't suggesting covering up the lens or any piece of the camera that couldn't function if coveredbut if wasn't obvious let me state that I was only suggesting covering up those flat surfaces of the camera which could be covered without reducing or interfering with the Optio S's functionality (i.e., not covering the lens, viewfinder, lcd, control button, etc.) Dan Scott
Re: SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x
Alek, At the PDMLUK event last summer, I took most of the airplane pictures with a A*400/2.8 and the AF1.7TC, on a Z1. See http://oksne.net/ for the images, and Cotty's page for pics of the combo http://www.macads.co.uk/pdml/index.html. After also using it with many other lenses, I have found that AF with the TC is very accurate with f/2.8 (or better) lenses. Precision with eg. M-200/4 is ok, but no more than that. Lenses of apertures darker than f/4.5 will make the AF hunt in low light. AF is quite fast. Comparable to eg. FA50/1.4. It works with all bayonet mount pentaxes. Even with 67 or 645 lenses and the suitable converter, if you focus with the lens wide open. :-) Wide open, the converter produce softish images. A 50mm and the 1.7TC makes a very nice portrait combo, with a convenient soft-effect. Stopped down a bit, it's quite good optically. Jostein === At 2003-02-04, 18:33:00 you wrote: === Hi, How do you assess working of SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x with manual lenses? Is it accurate?Fast? Does it worth to buy it?Average price?Does ot work with K M and A lenses?Any comments...What is the optical quality of the adapter itself? Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: du¿a, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04
Re: OT: Frying Pan to Fire (Was Re: New Thread - Air Travel and film)
Stephen Moore I've heard a permutation of this story, probably an urban legend, but what the heck: In the late 1930s, when the storm clouds of war were gathering over Europe, there was a Briton who saw what was coming and decided to move to someplace safe. He did extensive research, pored over maps for months, and finally settled on a spot. He picked up himself and his family and moved to a small island in the middle of the Pacific, a place few had heard of, in which nobody could possibly have the slightest interest. It was a little island called Guadalcanal... No 1930s Briton, except possibly a cartographer, could possibly have heard of Guadalcanal. Perhaps you are confusing it with the story of the American(s) who moved to Hawaii? ;-)
PDML Sisterhood gear
This sister shoots with a MZ-5 and a MZ-5n. I used to have a ME super which belongs now to my sister in law. Adelheid -Original Message- From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Dienstag, 4. Februar 2003 15:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Women in photography To get even more firmly on topic, what Pentaxes are the sisterhood shooting with? K1000 KM Optio 230
Re: Overexposure of PZ1+K and M lenses
Alek, I never had any problems with the PZ-1 exposing slide film accurately. Any problems with print film were masked by the corrections done by the print machines. The PZ-1p seems to be a bit off (1/2 stop) with slide film, but just fine with print film. And I don't think you could judge any exposure errors with print films anyway... at least not 1/2 stop ones. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. Alek
Re: ten new cameras
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 08:53 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: Bob wrote: I've got to wonder if Mike W. has not got it right... new Espio's. Think small, compact, popularly priced, mass market digital. This is how you take the stock price to 1000 yen, and this is the same market as the ME/ME Super some 20+ years ago. One DSLR, one film sibling and a new 67. That leaves a maximum of seven Espios :o) Pål 6 Espios, as there has to be one body devoted to that popular Pentax accessory Proct-O-Scope®. ;-) Dan Scott
Re: ten new cameras
It isn't how many times you can get the mechanism to work, it's the alignment of the lens elements. Those lens elements are going to have relatively small diameters and axial alignment tolerances have to be very tight to keep performance from going down the toilet. Let's not forget this has to be mass produced and still has to be cost competitive in its class. Who ever buys this camera will be paying for that flat storage feature in more ways than they imagine. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the electro-mechanical engineer has done HIS job well, it will easily survive... 1000 times is a picayune goal! I seriously doubt that it closes with a SLAM! It undoubtedly eases up, in and closed, and gently settles into it's dock, nice and snug... You ought to get 100,000 cycles or more out of a gentle motion like that!
Re: PUG access.
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 00:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure whether the most recent versions of NS/Mozilla and MSIE do this or not, but I use the open in background command quite often to open up a window for a link I know I'm going to want to look at _soon_ but not _now_, without interrupting the flow of what I'm currently reading. Yes, Mozilla offers that also. -- Frits Wüthrich Pentaxianado
Digital Challenge
So we don't like the idea of a PS Pentax digital? Some folks say the Canon digital makes the 6X7 obsolete. If so, why can't a Pentax PS make our 35mm obsolete? Here's a challenge for you. Take one of those PS digitals and take some photos. Take along your 35mm and favorite lenses, then compare the results. I did this for this month's PUG. http://pug.komkon.org/03feb/2in1.html I'm still surprised by the results I got and trying to understand them. I'd like to use my interchangable Pentax glass, but... Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no doubt that Pentax can build a solid future on PS style cameras, like Olympus did, but how many people on this list really care about those cameras? BR
Re: Re: SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x
Thanks! I would use it with A50/1.4, SMC K105/2.8, SMC K135/2.5 And optically it is like a zoom?Better/worse? What price of it could be? Alek Uytkownik Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, At the PDMLUK event last summer, I took most of the airplane pictures with a A*400/2.8 and the AF1.7TC, on a Z1. See http://oksne.net/ for the images, and Cotty\'s page for pics of the combo http://www.macads.co.uk/pdml/index.html. After also using it with many other lenses, I have found that AF with the TC is very accurate with f/2.8 (or better) lenses. Precision with eg. M-200/4 is ok, but no more than that. Lenses of apertures darker than f/4.5 will make the AF hunt in low light. AF is quite fast. Comparable to eg. FA50/1.4. It works with all bayonet mount pentaxes. Even with 67 or 645 lenses and the suitable converter, if you focus with the lens wide open. :-) Wide open, the converter produce softish images. A 50mm and the 1.7TC makes a very nice portrait combo, with a convenient soft-effect. Stopped down a bit, it\'s quite good optically. Jostein === At 2003-02-04, 18:33:00 you wrote: === Hi, How do you assess working of SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x with manual lenses? Is it accurate?Fast? Does it worth to buy it?Average price?Does ot work with K M and A lenses?Any comments...What is the optical quality of the adapter itself? Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04 --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
With A 50/1.7 exposures were great. The difference is with older lenses. So now you have MZS.. Better than Pz-1p?I have read some reviews and many people believe PZ1p has more features and not so expensive. It is truth. Alek Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek wrote: I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. No idea but it did happen with two of my A lenses: the A 24/2.8 and the A 35/2.8. I don\'t really remember the details anymore as I don\'t own the camera anylonger. Pl --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Hi But I have not written I use print film!! And you wrote that with PZ1p you had 1/2 stop but over or under?rather overexposure... So Pz1p usually overexposure and PZ1 not? So maybe it is better to buy another PZ1 instead of PZ1p? Do you know if I can do flash compensation with PZ1? For instance I want to shoot a portrait of someone who is in shadow and background is brighter so I would measure b. light and compensate flash for about from -1 to -1.5 EV?Can I do so with PZ1?And Pz1p? Please answer Alek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Alek, I never had any problems with the PZ-1 exposing slide film accurately. Any problems with print film were masked by the corrections done by the print machines. The PZ-1p seems to be a bit off (1/2 stop) with slide film, but just fine with print film. And I don\'t think you could judge any exposure errors with print films anyway... at least not 1/2 stop ones. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I am going to use PZ1 with some my K lenses. Is it truth that there appears overexposure of 2/3 EV? Now I checking it using Velvia but on the basis of some measurements it really seems to me that overexposure occurs. Any comments...So the correction is needed. I do hope it is constant with all my K lenses. With A the problem probably does not take place. Alek --r-e-k-l-a-m-a- OnetPoczta: dua, szybka, bezpieczna! http://poczta.onet.pl/oferta/
Re: Overexposure of PZ1+
Flash exposure compensation is possible on the PZ-1, though it isn't as convenient as on the PZ-1p. With the PZ-1, use the hyper manual program and hit the IF button to set the program exposure. Then dial in the exposure compensation. This won't affect the exposure settings you just made when you hit the IF button, but it will affect the TTL flash exposure. Joe Hi But I have not written I use print film!! And you wrote that with PZ1p you had 1/2 stop but over or under?rather overexposure... So Pz1p usually overexposure and PZ1 not? So maybe it is better to buy another PZ1 instead of PZ1p? Do you know if I can do flash compensation with PZ1? For instance I want to shoot a portrait of someone who is in shadow and background is brighter so I would measure b. light and compensate flash for about from -1 to -1.5 EV?Can I do so with PZ1?And Pz1p? Please answer Alek
Re: Digital Challenge
For some types of subjects the results with a digital PS will be fine. For other subjects that are doing things like moving and are therefore time dependent, it will rot. It is really no different than Film PS cameras: for some shots they are just as good as a SLR, but for others they are useless. The recording media is irrelevant. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a challenge for you. Take one of those PS digitals and take some photos. Take along your 35mm and favorite lenses, then compare the results.
Re: ten new cameras
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: It isn't how many times you can get the mechanism to work, it's the alignment of the lens elements. Those lens elements are going to have relatively small diameters and axial alignment tolerances have to be very tight to keep performance from going down the toilet. Let's not forget this has to be mass produced and still has to be cost competitive in its class. This is not rocket science, folks... This is just plain attention to detail and being respectful of the specified mechanical tolerances. When/while the central lens package has been taken out of the optical path, from then on, it's simply a matter of protecting it from damage, or damaging something else. Once it sashays back _into_ the optical axis, it must nestle into position positively and surely, each and every time. This is not magic. This is precise mechanical engineering. It might require some fancy 'tricks of the trade' but it's not undoable. I don't know... perhaps 45 years of designing E/M assemblies has jaded me. I tend to think if it can be conceived, it can be brought to fruition. IF the ME does his job... Who ever buys this camera will be paying for that flat storage feature in more ways than they imagine. BR Can't say I agree. If the Pentax engineers haven't provided for all possibilities and accounted for all exigencies, then if you have a problem, it's the engineers you ought to blame, not the design. If the design engineers have done _their_ job right, and the manufacturing engineers have done _their_ job right, and it's been proven with extensive testing, and the assemblers have done _their_ job right ~ it will work and work well. A 'trick' design doesn't mean a cheap or insufficient design... It's merely a new and unique way of looking at things! Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the electro-mechanical engineer has done HIS job well, it will easily survive... 1000 times is a picayune goal! I seriously doubt that it closes with a SLAM! It undoubtedly eases up, in and closed, and gently settles into it's dock, nice and snug... You ought to get 100,000 cycles or more out of a gentle motion like that!
Re: NYC PDML: 2/22/03?
I'd really like to make the big meeting, but, unfortunately (??) I'll be in Maui that day. Please keep me up to date on what's going on, however. Dan gfen wrote: What: The PDML NY area meeting. Where: NYC. When: 2/23/03? Who: bruce rubenstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] butch black, [EMAIL PROTECTED] herb chong, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ann sanfedele, [EMAIL PROTECTED] bob kelly, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cesar matamoros, [EMAIL PROTECTED] amita guha, [EMAIL PROTECTED] me!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so, here's who's expressed interest thus far.. and I belive the 23rd (Saturday) is the day of choice? Who's interested, and whatever to do? I believe Ann volunteered to put together an off-list list for discussion. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: ten new cameras
On 2/04/03 1:59 PM, Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't how many times you can get the mechanism to work, it's the alignment of the lens elements. Your initial question was indeed boiled down to the cycle. I am sure the alignment is fine and the concern, if any, would be about the mechanical cycle. But as a mechanical engineer, 100,000 cycle sounds more intelligent than 1,000 cycles which could be reached in a matter of weeks, particularly during the initial stage when owners tend to play with it. And I am sure that they designed the positioning mechanism fine, have cycle tested and determined that it can take the rigour of consumers' abuse. The rest of your argument is your speculation based on your level of knowledge. I trust Pentax rather than you. Ken
Re: SMC PENTAX-F AF Adapter 1,7x
From Jostein After also using it with many other lenses, I have found that AF with the TC is very accurate with f/2.8 (or better) lenses. Precision with eg. M-200/4 is ok, but no more than that. Lenses of apertures darker than f/4.5 will make the AF hunt in low light. AF is quite fast. Comparable to eg. FA50/1.4. The converter works even when using a f/4.5 like the FA 4.5/300 if you are using it with a MZ-S. The MZ-S AF has a far better low light abiltiy than the Z1-p or MZ-5n, this cameras have a problem with this lens. Regards Rüdiger
Re: Julia Margaret Cameron (Was Re: Women in Photography.)
Hi, an exhibition of her work has just opened at the National Portrait Gallery in London. There was an interesting and very good review of her work in tpday's 'Independent' newspaper. Unfortunately that review is not on their website, but there is a review of a recent biography here: http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=374422 Apparently she was only active in photography for 10 years. She wasn't a dowager at the time, by the way. She was just a slip of a girl at 48 when she started photographing - hardly old, anyway. And not widowed. She stopped photographing when she went to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) with her husband, who was some sort of Empire-builder. Bob Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 2:17:34 PM, you wrote: Hi, Having taken up the subject in middle age, when she was probably expected to settle into dowager-like somnolence, and dealing with an almost completely do-it-yourself process involving wet negatives when taking a picture, her output is certainly impressive. [...]
Re: ten new cameras
On 2/04/03 1:40 PM, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: If you look at the cut-away, you would see that the camera is flat only with the lens stored. To make it pack flat the center element group is moved out of the light path so the front and rear groups can be brought closer together. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but if wasn't obvious let me state that I was only suggesting covering up those flat surfaces of the camera which could be covered without reducing or interfering with the Optio S's functionality (i.e., not covering the lens, viewfinder, lcd, control button, etc.) Of course everybody else knew what you meant and you did not have to elaborate. Bruce has a bad habit of jumping the gun, causing other people to needlessly elaborate the point. Ken
Re: The myth of ist and 67III
On 2/04/03 1:17 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want it to be fully compatible with the current lenses. You don't buy MF to save money on your photography. I thought so too :-). Ken
Re: Could these be the upcoming IS Pentax lenses?
The dates are awfully close to PMA are in synch with the new KAF3 new AF patents. I'm no engineer, but it looks like an IS patent. I will be optimistic say YES. Peter --- Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.htmlr=6f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1='ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA'.AS.OS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHARS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.htmlr=7f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1='ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA'.AS.OS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHARS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.htmlr=11f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1='ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA'.AS.OS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHARS=AN/ASAHI+KOGAKU+KOGYO+KABUSHIKI+KAISHA regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: PDMLDSLR
The only thing I'm certain of is this: They'll be cameras designed for enthusiasts and snapshots. Anything pro-grade will be a sideline to the main direction of Pentax.
Vs: PDMLDSLR
Im not Mike but I have Practical Photography November 2000 issue in front of me. In the test 90-105 mm macro lenses get the following points: Canon AF 100/2.8 - 9/10 Minolta AF 100/2.8 - 9/10 Nikon AF 105/2.8D - 7/10 Pentax AF 100/2.8 - 6/10 Sigma AF 105/28 EX - 9/10 Tamron AF 90/2.8 SP - 9/10 Tokina AF 100/2.8 AT-X 6/10 Pentax 100 mm performs well but needs stopping down and is expensive. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperinen viesti- Lhettj: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Piv: 04. helmikuuta 2003 16:59 Aihe: Re: PDMLDSLR Hi Mike, Do you have any access to tests of macro lenses? I own Tamron manual SP 90/2.8 macro, I bought it when found that it performed much better Pentax 100m in one Popular or Practical Photography if I remember well and also beat Nikkor 105mm I wonder if you ever used the lens. Is it really better than Pentax lens? I also own SMC K105/2.8 lense (very nice indeed) so here was another reason to choose 90mm to have a both portrait and macro lens.Or maybe to sell it and buy FA100/2.8 macro.. If you happen to have any official tests please drop me a line.I also wonder how good FA200/4 ED macro lens is.Any comments/tests? Sorry for not writing from PDML but would like to have direct contact.Please write to this address. Thanks in advance. PS BTW Do you have any tests from K lenses era?Do you think Zeiss T lenses are better/much better than Pentax primes?Now the price of manual Zeiss glass is not very high. I even think to sell my Pentax gear and buy new Aria+some primes (used).But it will not allow me to buy into digital with them, AF etc. So maybe it is better to stick to Pentax. I own some K lenses (28/3.5 , 105/2.8 135/2.5 all SMC and A50/1.4 and M35/2.8 and SUper A+PZ1+Metz 40MZ3i) How do you think?I mainly take slides Please answer Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: P.S. I propose a new division of terms for this discussion: P-DSLR: Any old Pentax Digital Single Lens Reflex, even, or especially, a crappy cheapo cynical rushed-to-market cobbled-up little 3-mp mass-market sensor jobbie that\'ll have us all moaning and groaning and venting; PDMLDSLR: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Digital Single Lens Reflex, for a thoughtfully designed, well-executed camera that many of us would at least be interested in and wouldn\'t mind owning, and that would get some of us to stay with Pentax as we switch over to digital. (continued in the next post...) So just for fun, here\'s my conservative prediction: that the PDMLDSLR will be a small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera with a 6-mp APS-sized CCD sensor. It will take FA lenses (and perhaps older A lenses with limitations) with a 1.5X magnification factor, and there will be one new lens introduced or promised for it that will cover only the digital sensor and not 35mm film. This will be a wide-angle zoom. It will sell in the $1,500-$1,600 range, and availability will be late August or September. It will be seen only under glass at PMA with the sketchiest of descriptions, Cesar will receive an official picture of it and post it for the rest of us, and long months will drag by before we really know everything for certain. That\'s what I\'d bet on. If I were forced to bet on something. Here\'s what could also happen: Pentax could throw us all for a loop. This could be: Negative; meaning something badly spec\'d, or an adaptation of another company\'s camera, or basically point-and-shoot capabilities but with interchangeable lenses, or something designed to be marketed around the premise of some special feature that turns out to be ridiculous; or: Positive, meaning something really innovative that will appeal to people and catch on, but something nobody expects. And now REALLY just for fun, here\'s what I\'d PERSONALLY be happy to see (I\'m just pulling this out of my butt--with apologies for my french to the PDMLWL [PDML Wimmins League]--this has absolutely no bearing on reality): the aforementioned small, innovatively styled, nicely made SLR-style camera, but with a pellicle mirror that allows real-time preview on the LCD screen, and a 3-mp (right, 3-mp) Fuji SuperCCD SR (super dynamic range) sensor--and a 6-mp version promised for the not-too-distant future. And, not only a wide-angle zoom that covers only the digital sensor, but two wide-angle fast primes as well. Now, just as Murphy\'s law is a law, and just as it is only sure to rain if you don\'t bring your umbrella, nothing I would specify for my own odd little desires would ever actually come to pass; so, the only CERTAIN information in this post is that the features outlined in the previous paragraph will NOT be found in the upcoming P-DSLR. And, friends, you can take that to the bank . g --Mike P.S. Sorry, Bob S., I\'ve let you down.
Re: ten new cameras
On 2/04/03 2:43 PM, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once it sashays back _into_ the optical axis, it must nestle into position positively and surely, each and every time. This is not magic. This is precise mechanical engineering. It might require some fancy 'tricks of the trade' but it's not undoable. I don't know... perhaps 45 years of designing E/M assemblies has jaded me. I tend to think if it can be conceived, it can be brought to fruition. IF the ME does his job... In full agreement. This is exactly the way a trained engineer thinks. BR might think differently. Ken
Re: ten new cameras
On 4 Feb 2003 at 13:24, Keith Whaley wrote: I suppose you'd know, but it isn't the optical engineer that designs the optical mounts for his lenses...it's the mechanical engineer! It's HE that arranges for the lenses to be precisely a red-headed flea's fine curly hair apart, and axially aligned within a gnat's gn** and precisely in plane (parallel to each other.) If it tests okay on the optical bench, _both_ the optical and the mechanical engineer have done their jobs correctly... g And if a nasal hair finds its way into the camera and gets stuck in the lube between the lens and the rest then it's history, off for service because the images aren't sharp. This is the problem with design engineers, they can't see past the lab. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: ten new cameras
Beyond perhaps wanting one, or seeing it as a camera to suggest the next time a non-hobbyist asks what digital camera should I buy, I think the reason to be excited about this, is that if these little babies sell, it may keep Pentax a healthy company. More cash-flow may mean more RD for the stuff many on this list really want. It won't guarantee it, but there's a better chance... cheers, frank Dan Scott wrote: Me. I'd like something along the lines of a Canon G3 with Pentax design philosophy. I'm really interested in the image quality of the Optio S. With the flat front of the case, a piece of cling film printed with any type of cigarette or small package labels would make the camera almost invisible for street shootingand the size can't be beat. I'm willing to bet that with that camera I could start taking pictures of my 6 year old son without having him stick out his tongue, rolling his eyes or otherwise attempting to spoil the shot. ;-) Dan Scott -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Deer with arrow on web more to come
Hi, I saw a similar article in a medical journal when I worked at the British Library. A guy had trepanned himself by hammering a cold chisel into the top of his head. The article included an x-ray photograph which showed that the cold chisel had penetrated his brain to about half-way down. The man walked several miles into his local hospital to complain of a mild headache. They took the chisel out and he was fine afterwards. Brains? Who needs 'em? Medical journals are a source of never-ending amazement. Hope the shot deer is rescued and recovers, too! Bob (valiantly struggling against the temptation to make a Donald Rumsfeld joke!) Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 9:33:04 PM, you wrote: Makes me think of a photo I saw long ago while working in a newsroom in Southern California. One of our photographers had a girlfriend working in the ER at County USC; a guy was brought in with a butcher knife inserted (by his irate girlfriend, while he was asleep) into the center of his forehead, through his brain, and out the back of his neck. The guy was conscious and comfortable, if a little anxious. Apparently they got it out OK. Hope the deer also survives. Keep us posted.
Re: 3rd party 24mm (was Speaking of M series lenses)
The other third party 24mm lens is a Ricoh Rikenon 24mm f2.8. (...) It's a decent lens and in non-flare conditions does quite well. It is not very good with flare though. I ... still have the Rikenon and also a K-24 f2.8. I don't use either very much, though. - MCC As the Pentax-M 28/3.5 was also available as a XR Rikenon with a 52mm filter size I was wondering: could the Rikenon 24mm be a rebadged Pentax (without SMC)? Andre --
OT: Name the Photographer
All this talk about The Women of PDML and female photogs in general has reminded me of someone, but I can't remember her name. I've only heard of her once. I believe she was English, and about 100 or 110 years ago, as a young single lady (maybe 20), she obtained a great huge view camera (I guess that's all they had then g), and travelled the world. She took incredible photos, all the more amazing due to the fact that she had to cart all her equipment around, including all the plates and everything else. Upon her return to England, she displayed her photos, to much critical and popular acclaim. Then, she disappeared. Seems that no one knows what happened to her, whether she got married and changed her name, or died, or just left the country and never came back. Whatever the case may be, I believe her work remains, and that's it. Anyone know her name? She was mentioned in a PBS special a year or two ago... thanks, frank -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Competition in the medium format arena
http://www.xitek.com/bingqiku/hasselblad/body/h1.htm Another Blad/Fuji partnership. Interesting, the last two models (this Xpan) are with Fujinon glass, not Zeiss. Collin
