PUG July is open
Hi *, the July PUG is ready to go. This one is one day early - the August one will be around the 24th of July, since I shall be on holiday after that day. Hope you don't mind. I lost one photo on the way between the servers - I'll include it as soon as I get it. Cheers Adelheid URL: http://pug.komkon.org/ -- About resizing your pics: To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this is a fair deal.
Re: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
John, Reflections off the internal surfaces between the negative carrier and the lens will lower the contrast of an enlarging system. Condensor enlargers send their light straight through the neg to the lens and avoid too much spill onto the inner surfaces below the neg carrier (except for Callier Effect scattering in the case of traditional bw). Diffusion enlargers send a lot of light obliquely through the neg or tranny, and this light can set up reflections, causing flare, if the surfaces inside the image forming area are too smooth or not otherwise adequately light absorbant. As I described in the post you quoted, some enlargers are good in this regard and some are poor. If they are poor they will lose contrast because of flare, and that should be rectified because flaring light carries no useful image information. The quality and cleanliness of the enlarging lens make a difference, too. regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: John Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anthony Farr wrote: I was thinking about colour, too, and described Callier Effect to show that the choice of enlarger type (condensor vs diffusion) is relevant only to bw printing Hmm, if what Anthony said is true, I don't understand why my cibachrome print produced from my condenser enlarger head (and gelatin filters) appears sharper and definitely has more contrast than my print made from my diffusion color head? The enlarger is a Beseler CB7 utilizing Beseler heads and the one kodachrome is the positive for both prints. (I make prints from fujichrome and ektachrome also, and the resulting prints are the same quality as from kodachrome.) Please enlighten me.
Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
mishka wrote: you want it sealed against element , have interchangeable finders, interchangeable screens and have easy access to insides? Of course! My Nikon F3 and F4 both did, so why so you suggest it is not reasonable to expect that of the Pentax? In fact, the LX does well in all respects except the last. John
Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
Marnie aka Doe wrote: Yes, that's quite different. And agreed. Thanks! John
Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
Graywolf wrote: The problem with interchangeable backs on 35mm cameras is not patents, but technology. It is simply that digital sensors have not been on the surface of the chip but buried behind a protective surface and then maybe an antialiasing filter over that. What does that mean? Well, look into the back of your camera. See the shiney rails the film rides on? Now look at the shutter curtain see how close it is to those rails? Now the film has to ride on those rails for the image to be in focus. If the surface of the chip is placed on the rails the actual sensor is too far back to bring the image into focus. If you use a smaller chip and push it down into the film aperture between the rails it interferes with the shutter. So neither option will work. The reason they don't have that problem with medium format magazine back cameras is that the film rails are in the magazine a few millimeters behind the physical back of the camera body which allows enough clearance to place the sensors exactly at the focus point. Now, what seems to be the difference with the sensor for the proposed Leica back is they have managed to place the sensors right at the surface of the chip (actually, inset less than 7 microns). That is a major breakthrough. However, you may have read in the article that there is no antialiasing filter. That is simply because there is no room between the chip and the shutter. Silicon film has an even more difficult problem because it has to fit between the film rails and the pressure plate of the existing back. I would imagine that the problem they have found insurmountable so far is making a sensor that thin that is not also so fragile that it is useless in the real world. I have explained this before, but it was probably back when we were talking about the MZ-D which was quite a while ago. Thanks, Graywolf, for that very informative posting. Best regards, John
Re: Sharpness and contrast needed
Alan Chan wrote: I have always thought Pentax lenses have not-so-high contrast and not-so-vivid colour in general. At least that is the case when compared to Nikkors, or Pentax 67 lenses against Mamiya 7 lenses. Hi Alan, No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I have always admired the Pentax look which comes from the use of the superb SMC coating. I always thought that SMC Takumar and SMC Pentax lenses had generally *higher* contrast than Nikkors but they appeared slightly less sharp because Nikon lenses tend to have over-corrected spherical aberration. This gave Nikkors great apparent sharpness but lousy bokeh. I like the Pentax 'look' better, however there are a small number of Nikkors that also 'look' good. I hope that doesn't make what I meant less clear than before. ;-) John
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
frank theriault wrote: I guess Mark Cassino's an amateur? I guess he is one of the very, very few exceptions that prove the rule! ;-)
Re: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
TV, have you compared scanned film to digital? If so, what's your take on this approach? What size negs have you scanned, and what size have you printed them at? tom wrote: For years, we've been reading posts on this list and other as to how it's mathematically impossible that digital will ever equal film, or this theory proves that digital sucks, or a full frame sensor is impossible, or digital might be ok once we have 100 meg sensors, or whatever. It's theoretical bullshit. Unless you've seen and compared prints that you know have been competently made, you're just talking out of your ass.
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
Hi, John, I couldn't resist! I knew it would get a rise out of you, though. ;-) cheers, frank whickersworld wrote: frank theriault wrote: I guess Mark Cassino's an amateur? I guess he is one of the very, very few exceptions that prove the rule! ;-) -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
I agree with you, Tom. I guess one of the points I was trying to make in my last post, is that the line between Pro and Amateur is so blurred, that it renders either term almost meaningless in many situations. Personally, I know (very casually) a fellow who is an AP photojournalist. He also freelances on the side. I have no idea what percentage of his income comes from photography, but I'd think it's likely 100%. He's a pro. I have another friend who has a bit of equipment, and takes a fair number of photos. She's not a very good photographer (which is beside the point g), but she really enjoys the pastime. She's never sold, nor tried to sell a photograph. She's an amateur. Between those two extremes: who knows? But then, who really cares? Makes for a good debate here from time to time, but that's about it (looks like this one will lie dormant, though g). I gotta tell you, though, Tom, you really missed the boat on your definition of a Pro Camera: it's a 35mm (including digital) SLR that says either Canon or Nikon on it! vbg cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, in common English parlance, a professional photographer is one who derives his primary income from photography. An amateur is everyone else. So, an amateur is now one who does something and does not derive their primary income from that activity. I have always had a problem with that definition. Let's see if some poor bozo like me makes $7000 selling photographs part time then by this difinition he is a pro. Now if some rich guy, works at it 80 hours a week and makes $100 - 150,000 a year, but has an income from investments of say 1/2 million a year, he is a amateur? Now to me, if you do photography with the intent to make money, then you are a pro. Yes, even if no one buys your photos. That just means you are a unsuccessful pro. If you do photography for your own reasons and never sell them, then you are a amateur. Can you be both an amateur and a pro? The old Olympic rules excepted, I don't see why not. So what is a professional camera. Well, really, in my opinion, it is a camera designed to take the day in, day out grind of professional use for a reasonalble length of time. In other words, durablity makes the difference. Of course, in advertising speak it means, made for suckers who can not figure this out for theirselves. -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: lack of *ist-d reviews
Bruce wrote: Western marketing mindset it to get interest going with tidbit, product flashes. Perhaps the Eastern mindset is to not reveal anything until it is finished. Other Japanese companies are much more Western than Pentax. REPLY: They are. However, they have impoved somewhat in the last couple of years. Pål
Digital backs (WAS: Re: Gear happiness (WAS: Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.))
John wrote: It is quite clear that the Leica R8 and R9 were designed from the ground up to be BOTH film AND digital cameras. This back is not some half-baked add-on accessory, it is an intrinsic part of the Leica R8/R9 system. REPLY: It was designed in the mid 90's where it might have been seen as a good idea. In the fast moving digital world being stucked with the same body might not. Digital back are developed for products that sell in so small numbers that dedicated digital camera hasn't been really viable yet. So far it is about medium format and the odd Leica. In the future there won't be any MF as we understand it. There will only be digital at various CCD sizes. Digital camera will then compete with other digital cameras and outdated bodies with digital solutions will simply loose out in the competition. Pål
Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back
John wrote: This so-called enormous cost is an illusion put about by people who think they cannot afford Leica. REPLY: Illusion? The back alone cost $4500 at a time when similarly specced digital solution will likely cost $1000 or less. On thing is the case for expensive Leica lenses and bodies, another is the point in buying a Leica branded CCD at several magnitudes the cost of competitive products. John wrote: Of course you can buy better back without changing the body but why not buy a better body as well? That depends what you mean by better. To suggest that the R9 lacks features compared with a Canon EOS something-or-other does not happily sit with the same person defending the Pentax MZ-S to the death against the features and better performance of the Nikon F100. (Such inconsistency greatly devalues your often excellent contributions to this List.) REPLY: It is no inconsistency. I refered to the simple fact that hardly anyone would rather upgrade their current equipment to level X when brand new camera at that level can be had cheaper. How many owners of the eg. Canon D60 would have choosen to upgrade it to 1DS level and payed more than a brand new 1DS (or a D10 for that matter)? Pål
Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back
John wrote: Just like the *ist D's only function is to convince potential customers to buy into the Pentax FA* system because there's a digital future there too? REPLY: No. The MD-S was. The *ist D will be released in a months time. The R9 digital back will be *shown* in 1,5 years time. The back is shown now in order to make people buy the R9. Thats pretty obvious. Pål
BG-20
Has anyone gotten his hands on a BG-20 battery grip for the *ist? Pentax USA says they've shipped; BH, Adorama says they have not received a unit.
Re: BG-20
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone gotten his hands on a BG-20 battery grip for the *ist? Pentax USA says they've shipped; BH, Adorama says they have not received a unit. Yup, my wife received hers Friday from OpticsPlanet. It makes the *ist extremely nice to hold and the vertical release is great. -- Later, Gary
Re: My Son...
I wish this had not happened. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I'm sorry to hear about your Son's injury
Re: BG-20
Gary L. Murphy wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone gotten his hands on a BG-20 battery grip for the *ist? Pentax USA says they've shipped; BH, Adorama says they have not received a unit. BTW... Go to, http://store.yahoo.com/opticsplanet/peaavegrbgfo.html It's $79.99 USD including Free UPS shipping. -- Later, Gary
Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed, afaik. there's a good reason why lx has a lens between the screen anf the finder. i suspect it's a lot more difficult to make interchangeable screens f3-style, that would also keep the camera sealed. mishka From: whickersworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.) mishka wrote: you want it sealed against element , have interchangeable finders, interchangeable screens and have easy access to insides? Of course! My Nikon F3 and F4 both did, so why so you suggest it is not reasonable to expect that of the Pentax?
Re: ouch
I hope you got through the wedding OK. With all the moving around and hauling gear I don't know how you could pull it off without a good assistant or two. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I severely sprained my ankle last night. The x-ray didn't show a break, but that doesn't help the fact that I can barely walk. Of course, I have a wedding today. Wish me, and especially #7, luck! BTW, the x-ray was a chemical process, she had to add some fixer while I was there. Like last time, I took a whiff of the film and this time I could tell it was a chemical process. tv
Missing PUG info
I had trouble again with the auto submit and tried copy and paste to an e-mail, didn't work correctly. Knowing this group, someone will call me on it so the missing info for my submission is: Camera - Pentax Z-1P, Lens - SMCP FA* 300/4.5 Media Fuji Superia 800 shot aperture priority F 4.5 BUTCH Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hess (Demian)
RE: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
My experience with scanned film is limited to frontier style machines, which scan the film and print it on RA4. I did a few scans myself here and there, but really didn't like the process. The results were ok, I just never wanted to deal with the process of scanning. Anyway, frontier prints are practically indistuishable from regular prints, IME. tv -Original Message- From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TV, have you compared scanned film to digital? If so, what's your take on this approach? What size negs have you scanned, and what size have you printed them at? tom wrote: For years, we've been reading posts on this list and other as to how it's mathematically impossible that digital will ever equal film, or this theory proves that digital sucks, or a full frame sensor is impossible, or digital might be ok once we have 100 meg sensors, or whatever. It's theoretical bullshit. Unless you've seen and compared prints that you know have been competently made, you're just talking out of your ass.
Re: Pro talk (was Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back.)
The biggest problem with electronics and cameras is moisture. At some point in the production live of the F3, Nikon went to conformal coating for the circuit boards. This seals the electronics better than sealing the body. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know about f4, but f3 is not sealed, afaik.
Re: One more question - Lens Coating
In addition to Greywolfs answer, let me add that putting a coated filter on an uncoated lens will not reduce flare. It will, in fact , increase it, but not as much as it would if you used an uncoated filter. Flare increases with the number of lens elements, but decreases with the quality and the number of the coatings. A bit simplified the coatings consists of one or more layers of glass (or similar) having slightly different refractive indexes. Each layer have a thickness corresponding to 1/4, 3/4 (...etc) of a chosen wavelength, thus reducing reflections at this wavelength. Single coatings have one such layer, I think usually green, SMC have 7 (I think I remember) reducing reflections at a number of wavelengths. DagT På lørdag, 28. juni 2003, kl. 20:44, skrev Boris Liberman: Hi! Honest, I don't know what I am going to ask g. What is the difference between coated and uncoated lens? I mean lens construction - do they coat each surface, only front and back element? Also, given an uncoated lens (such as almost-the-lens Takumar K 135/2.5), if one attaches to it coated filter (such as Vivitar VMC Skylight 1A), how much would it lower the flare? I suppose I won't be able to shoot into the sun like I can do with my SMC FA 50/1.7, but still it is something I'd like to learn. Thanks. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57
Re: My Son...
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My Son... My son is in Iraq. First, I really do hope your son will be all right. Best wishes for him and for you. I do not understand the Iraqi people. At least the French formed an underground and after the war did not tolerate Nazi sympathizers among them. How can this people tolerate the Saddam supporters among them? Because Saddam's government meant stability and predictability of the day-to-day life as weel as provided a sort of the national strenght and pride. Now Iraqi people have to deal with all the after-the war chaos and they don't seem to be prepared for this. Forgive me. Right now I am beginning to believe that there are some peoples in this world who simply do not deserve to be free. It may of course look this way but we need to understand their regional cpecificity. Their region has never been used to democracy, ESPECIALLY in the European/American version. Thus such democracy cannot, or even must not, be enforced upon them - this may not only proove unsuccesful but also be a cause of a civil war with some ideological, religious aspects. I live in Poland, my country is a part of the anti-Saddam coalition. I've supported the war and the whole mission. However, I do hope the democracy will not be brought into Iraq by force. This is not the Iraqi way. And the democracy is not the universal way. I think the Iraqi people feel it and are afraid of the possibility to be forced to accept the democracy. Regards Artur
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
Actually, I learned about this back in 1961 when I first tried making money with my new Pentax H3. A guy wanted me to point him to a wedding photographer. No, I wouldn't do, he wanted a pro, Some one with a big black camera (a direct quote). So, I gave him the name of a friend that used a Crown Graphic. Oh, I already talked to him, he charges too much (another direct quote). So obviously a pro camera is BIG, and BLACK used by someone who charges too much GRIN. And to further make the point; when I was using that monstrous Mamiya Universal Press (Black Model), I always got a lot of respect because I was obviously a Pro! Once again PRO = BIG BLACK CAMERA. Sorry, Pentax never has and never will make a big black 35mm. And now you know why the F5 and EOS-1v are so bulky, they didn't have to be, but they wouldn't sell as pro cameras if they weren't very tiny grin, because it is more true than not. While I am at it another way to be taken for a pro is to wear a name tag and a tie. I have gotten into places and events buy draping my self with my MXs and a dirty Domke F2 camera bag, and wearing the aformentioned tag and tie. I mean who wears a tie if they are not at work? People are programed to respect a tie, especially some place where it is not the norm. I believe that with a BBC, tag, and tie I could walk into just about anywhere, no problem. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs? I agree with you, Tom. I gotta tell you, though, Tom, you really missed the boat on your definition of a Pro Camera: it's a 35mm (including digital) SLR that says either Canon or Nikon on it! vbg
Re: My Son...
First, I want to thank you and everyone for the support and sentiments expressed here. I'm printing them up to give to Aaron when it becomes appropriate to visit him in the hospital in Germany. Just knowing that there are folks out there who care is a great comfort to those who are wounded, scared and suffering. I talked about being free and have made no mention of democracy. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world. I am no fan of democracy: A Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is three hundred wolves and two hundred sheep voting for three wolves and two sheep to come up with a dinner menu. A Constitutional Republic is a republic wherein it has been decided beforehand that lamb is not on the menu. ... Then the high court of the land declares that mutton is not lamb! I'm headed out to take photos of girls with Harleys. This was arranged some time ago, and perhaps it will take my mind off all this for a few moments and stop the squirrel caging of my thoughts and feelings. I'm sorry for my last comment in the original post. Please don't turn this into some sort of political thread. Regards, Bob... Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? -Martin Luther From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My Son... My son is in Iraq. First, I really do hope your son will be all right. Best wishes for him and for you. I do not understand the Iraqi people. At least the French formed an underground and after the war did not tolerate Nazi sympathizers among them. How can this people tolerate the Saddam supporters among them? Because Saddam's government meant stability and predictability of the day-to-day life as weel as provided a sort of the national strenght and pride. Now Iraqi people have to deal with all the after-the war chaos and they don't seem to be prepared for this. Forgive me. Right now I am beginning to believe that there are some peoples in this world who simply do not deserve to be free. It may of course look this way but we need to understand their regional cpecificity. Their region has never been used to democracy, ESPECIALLY in the European/American version. Thus such democracy cannot, or even must not, be enforced upon them - this may not only proove unsuccesful but also be a cause of a civil war with some ideological, religious aspects. I live in Poland, my country is a part of the anti-Saddam coalition. I've supported the war and the whole mission. However, I do hope the democracy will not be brought into Iraq by force. This is not the Iraqi way. And the democracy is not the universal way. I think the Iraqi people feel it and are afraid of the possibility to be forced to accept the democracy. Regards Artur
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
And to further make the point; when I was using that monstrous Mamiya Universal Press (Black Model), I always got a lot of respect because I was obviously a Pro! Does this mean that if I carry my black Mamiya Super 23 with the Metz 45 CT 1 attached, I can be a Pro? Bill
Re: Leica R9/R8 digital back
Pål Jensen wrote: John wrote: This so-called enormous cost is an illusion put about by people who think they cannot afford Leica. Illusion? The back alone cost $4500 at a time when similarly specced digital solution will likely cost $1000 or less. Pål, Quoting a projected price of $4500 now will make buyers very pleased when it sells for a much lower price. On thing is the case for expensive Leica lenses and bodies, another is the point in buying a Leica branded CCD at several magnitudes the cost of competitive products. I profoundly disagree that Leica is expensive. The whole life cost of owning Leica gear is probably the lowest of any camera brand. Of course, applying a consumer-grade mindset to such finely engineered gear does make it *appear* expensive, but Leica owners don't need to change their gear every year and a half. That depends what you mean by better. To suggest that the R9 lacks features compared with a Canon EOS something-or-other does not happily sit with the same person defending the Pentax MZ-S to the death against the features and better performance of the Nikon F100. (Such inconsistency greatly devalues your often excellent contributions to this List.) It is no inconsistency. Maybe not in your eyes. ;-) John
RE: ouch
Jeez, what a day. A little background. #7 had been retired for a while. Basically, she's not really cut out for assisting. She likes going to weddings, but she's not particularly interested in working them. I get a lot of this: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ashiInChurch.jpg So, while I'm hobbling around trying to find the sundry crap she's left in various pews, she's weepily enjoying the proceedings. Anyway, things got off to a bad start as she was running late. I get really antsy when I'm running late. I've never actually *been* late, because I give myself so much extra time, but I was getting jumpy. So, we started snapping at each other. We get there on time, but I'm uptight, #7 is sulky. The bride has forgotten to bring her list of family shots. There's a divorce, which generally complicates this sort of thing. I start shooting. Ceremony goes off fine, the bright spot of the day was a very cool minister. My ankle has loosened up a bit, so I'm not hobbling too ridiculously. Family photos go twice as long as they should, but we get them done. Head off to the reception. Talk to the catering lady, ask her very nicely if she could serve us early. Generally, vendors get served last, if at all, which is a pain as I would be getting my meal as the bride and groom are finishing theirs. She says ok, but I'll have to wait by the kitchen. There's nowhere to sit, so I stand. 40 minutes later, at 8:55, I'm still standing there on my throbbing ankle. I haven't eaten in 5 hours, my blood sugar has dropped through the floor, my ankle is killing me - I've now crossed a line, and am now officially in a bad mood. First dance is at nine. The food (bad) finally arrives. I find a place to eat, put the plate down, the DJ announces that the first dance will start after the current song. This place is now on my shit list. The reception proceeds. About 20 minutes before the end, the bride and groom decide it's time to leave. I'm in the middle of something else...the card in the camera is full, so I hand it to #7, tell her to put a new one in. I follow the couple as they're making their way to the limo with camera #2. #7 walks up, says she can't get the card in. I take the card, slide it in, and notice something feels wrong. I take a look...she's bent the one of the pins. CF cards are designed so you can't insert them the wrong way, but...well, there it is. I'm pissed, say a few obscenities under my breath. She takes it personally - we have an quiet argument, which escalates into a louder argument in the car, I sleep on the couch. Of course we're out of beer when we get home. *Lovely* day. BTW, here's what my ankle looked like when I got home: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle1.jpg http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle2.jpg You knew there was a foot shot in your future. tv
RE: I Am Pissed!
Better ways to save: Make sure developing is great. No scratches, dust etc. Leave out prints, but get the negs scanned. You can always order reprints of the best shots. That's what I do, now a days! Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 28. juni 2003 06:57 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: I Am Pissed! Frank Theriault commented: I've just stopped trying to save a buck or two on processing, only to get back lousy prints. It's not worth it! I use the same guy that I've been going to for years - he does a good job, charges a reasonable fee, and is fun to talk to - he's become a friend over the years. For the most part, me too. I used to be so proud of knowing where to get film developed for under $3/roll, but I got tired of the number of times I had to take things back to be re-done, not getting everything that was in the viewfinder on the print, and getting thumbprints on slides. I finally decided it just wasn't worth it. I couldn't afford to save that much money. But there's a catch: I can't afford professional processing. So most of what I shoot has been going into the freezer to await the day when my financial situation turns around so I can afford to get it developed. I *did* take a roll to a drug store one-hour lab this week though. I wanted quicker turnaround than my usual labs could give me, so that I could include a photo in my LiveJournal. Thing is, it wasn't an _important_ image -- or a roll with anything important on it. The whole point of that roll was to include a photo to go along with something unimportant that I was writing. As for folks at the lab being fun to talk to, oh yeah. Knowledgable and friendly people at both labs. Gotta appreciate folks who can give me advice, take the time to look up what year the box camera I bring in was made 'cause they dig old cameras, show me the Speed Graphic they picked up on eBay, and Take The Time To Do My Photos Right. Yah, pro labs are the way to go. I just need to get more paying photo gigs to support my for me / for art shooting so I can get some of the exposed film out of the freezer and over to the lab. -- Glenn
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
You will be treated as one. Almost as good, but it don't pay the rent grin. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs? And to further make the point; when I was using that monstrous Mamiya Universal Press (Black Model), I always got a lot of respect because I was obviously a Pro! Does this mean that if I carry my black Mamiya Super 23 with the Metz 45 CT 1 attached, I can be a Pro? Bill
Re: My Son...
- Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: My Son... I talked about being free and have made no mention of democracy. Of course. Mind that I wrote: I think the Iraqi people feel it and are afraid of the possibility to be forced to accept the democracy. This is much the irrational fear of course... I am no fan of democracy: Nor am I:) A Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is three hundred wolves and two hundred sheep voting for three wolves and two sheep to come up with a dinner menu. A Constitutional Republic is a republic wherein it has been decided beforehand that lamb is not on the menu. ... Then the high court of the land declares that mutton is not lamb! Well said:) Regards Artur
RE: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
Hi Frank Good points? I don't really know why the subject keeps turning up. Perhaps because most pro's use other 35mm brands than Pentax, which obviously makes some 35mm Pentax users feel bad. (It's nice to be a supporter of the winning team - to supplement to your sports metafore! Regards Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. juni 2003 03:12 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs? Hi, Jens, Technically, you're right. An amateur does something for the love of it. A pro does it for money. Problem is, I think the whole pro/amateur dichotomy has evolved over the years from that position. Remember Avery Brundige? He was the old fart that used to head the International Olympic Committee in the 60's and 70's (I think). Back then, under his strict guidelines, a professional was someone who had ever made ~any~ money from their sport, even just for an exhibition. That was a pretty important definition, because back then, the Olympics were only for amateurs. Heck, back in the very early days of the Modern Olympics, American Jim Thorpe was stripped of his track and field medals, because it was learned that he had once played semi-pro baseball - a sport that wasn't even in the Olympics at that time! The point of all this (yes, there is a point g) is that nowadays, we amateur photograpers don't lose our amatuer status, just because we sell a few prints here and there. I think, in common English parlance, a professional photographer is one who derives his primary income from photography. An amateur is everyone else. So, an amateur is now one who does something and does not derive their primary income from that activity. Which, of course, begs the question, what's a pro camera? I really don't want to get into that here, because this comes up all too often, and leads to real long boring threads (which none-the-less, I invariably feel compelled to contribute to vbg) Suffice to say, it's just not as simple as saying, a camera a pro uses. I have to stop typing now... g cheers, frank Jens Bladt wrote: Hi What's an amateur! The word means somone who loves photography. Does it for the joy of it. Hell, he or she might even be a pro too. A pro - on the other hand - could be someone who does it, because he or she has to - to earn a living. A pro car is a Mercedes Benz (Taxies in Europe). An amateur car could be a Porche, a Ferrari, a Mustang or a Corvette and of course - a Mercedes Benz! Jens -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
RE: Digital vs. film again
Hi William That surprises me. I always thought of 100 lppm as the sound wall of 35mm photographic film technology. Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 28. juni 2003 19:27 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Digital vs. film again - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Digital vs. film again My lenses resolve between 50 and 85 linepairs per mm. I doubt very much if any lens will give that sort of resolution in real world conditions. Photographing resolution charts are useless for determining how high a lens will resolve in picture taking situations that don't involve resolution charts. The best film specification I could find in a brief perusal over at the Fuji website was Provia 100, which resolves 30 lppm William Robb
Re: PUG July is open
And a very fine PUG it is. Thanks, Adelheid. Joe
Re: ouch
You don't even get a little sympathy from me on this, Tom. That is not an assistant, that is a girlfriend. The two are not interchangable. Good photographic assistants are hard to find. There is a potential grilfriend in every bar. Getting them confused is not very professional. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: RE: ouch Jeez, what a day. A little background. #7 had been retired for a while. Basically, she's not really cut out for assisting. She likes going to weddings, but she's not particularly interested in working them. I get a lot of this: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ashiInChurch.jpg So, while I'm hobbling around trying to find the sundry crap she's left in various pews, she's weepily enjoying the proceedings. Anyway, things got off to a bad start as she was running late. I get really antsy when I'm running late. I've never actually *been* late, because I give myself so much extra time, but I was getting jumpy. So, we started snapping at each other. We get there on time, but I'm uptight, #7 is sulky. The bride has forgotten to bring her list of family shots. There's a divorce, which generally complicates this sort of thing. I start shooting. Ceremony goes off fine, the bright spot of the day was a very cool minister. My ankle has loosened up a bit, so I'm not hobbling too ridiculously. Family photos go twice as long as they should, but we get them done. Head off to the reception. Talk to the catering lady, ask her very nicely if she could serve us early. Generally, vendors get served last, if at all, which is a pain as I would be getting my meal as the bride and groom are finishing theirs. She says ok, but I'll have to wait by the kitchen. There's nowhere to sit, so I stand. 40 minutes later, at 8:55, I'm still standing there on my throbbing ankle. I haven't eaten in 5 hours, my blood sugar has dropped through the floor, my ankle is killing me - I've now crossed a line, and am now officially in a bad mood. First dance is at nine. The food (bad) finally arrives. I find a place to eat, put the plate down, the DJ announces that the first dance will start after the current song. This place is now on my shit list. The reception proceeds. About 20 minutes before the end, the bride and groom decide it's time to leave. I'm in the middle of something else...the card in the camera is full, so I hand it to #7, tell her to put a new one in. I follow the couple as they're making their way to the limo with camera #2. #7 walks up, says she can't get the card in. I take the card, slide it in, and notice something feels wrong. I take a look...she's bent the one of the pins. CF cards are designed so you can't insert them the wrong way, but...well, there it is. I'm pissed, say a few obscenities under my breath. She takes it personally - we have an quiet argument, which escalates into a louder argument in the car, I sleep on the couch. Of course we're out of beer when we get home. *Lovely* day. BTW, here's what my ankle looked like when I got home: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle1.jpg http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle2.jpg You knew there was a foot shot in your future. tv
RE: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
Absolutely! Instant respect. Among people who know the difference, the Super 23 is definitely one up over the Universal because of its tilts and swings. Len --- -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs? And to further make the point; when I was using that monstrous Mamiya Universal Press (Black Model), I always got a lot of respect because I was obviously a Pro! Does this mean that if I carry my black Mamiya Super 23 with the Metz 45 CT 1 attached, I can be a Pro? Bill
RE: Digital vs. film again (was Re: I Am Pissed!)
Hi I found this interesting article in an Australian Magasine: http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/2303/2303article4.htm Megapixels - How Many Is Enough? Jay Turberville Regards Jens
RE: ouch
My God! Tom! Are you married to #7, or just living with her? If you're not married to her, it's time to change assistants! Len ---
Re: One more question - Lens Coating
Hi! Thanks Dag and thanks Tom. I actually thought that Tak was uncoated all together. Still I find it a fine portrait lens g. By the way at least two this month's PUGs were done with Tak K 135/2.5 bigger g. I suppose then that if as a matter of course I attach UV or skylight filters to my lenses in order to protect them when I shoot outdoors, it would be a better idea to use (multi) coated filters instead of simple ones. Man, the last paragraph is whole one sentence. Though I've read Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace some 15 years ago I still suffer the consequences ever bigger g. Thanks again. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57
Color Printing The Callier Effect - formerly Re: pentax-discuss-dDigest V03 #577
Anthony Farr wrote: John, Reflections off the internal surfaces between the negative carrier and the lens will lower the contrast of an enlarging system. Condensor enlargers send their light straight through the neg to the lens and avoid too much spill onto the inner surfaces below the neg carrier (except for Callier Effect scattering in the case of traditional bw). Diffusion enlargers send a lot of light obliquely through the neg or tranny, and this light can set up reflections, causing flare, if the surfaces inside the image forming area are too smooth or not otherwise adequately light absorbant. As I described in the post you quoted, some enlargers are good in this regard and some are poor. If they are poor they will lose contrast because of flare, and that should be rectified because flaring light carries no useful image information. The quality and cleanliness of the enlarging lens make a difference, too. regards, Anthony Farr I have to hand it to you, Anthony, you made me rush out to my darkroom to see if I can understand what you said. First off, my enlarger has a fabric bellows below the negative stage. I installed a back-up fabric bellows which I lined the insides of with black velvet. I also lined the top and bottom sides of the negative carrier with black velvet - plus I applied a new coat of Kodak flat black paint to the negative carrier's edges around the image aperture. I also installed black velvet to line the area above the negative carrier inside the enlarger. I also lined the lens carrier's inside-the-enlarger section with black velvet. Last and not least, I gently cleaned my 90mm Schneider Apo-Componon enlarging lens (definitely a superior, better than first-class lens). Anthony (thanks to you), THERE ARE NOW NO REFLECTIVE SURFACES INSIDE THIS ENLARGER ABOVE AND BELOW THE NEGATIVE STAGE! Next I made prints. Gosh, Anthony, there's no difference in the prints I made last night from the prints I made a few days ago. Condenser prints have more apparent sharpness and definitely more contrast than diffusion color head prints - when I say more contrast, if color papers were graded I'd say more contrast would equivacate to the black and white paper grades of about one grade more contrast. The color head prints have more hues in the color scale range - especially in the highlights. To my seeing the Callier Effect is the same for color materials as it is for black and white ones - that is the practical reality in my darkroom. What you've said about color materials not having the same light transmission properties as black and white silver materials may very well be, but my printing efforts suggest the Callier Effect is alive and well for color negatives and positives. Hope you're having a GREAT photo day in WONDERFUL down-under-land (or is it up-over-land?)!!!
RE: ouch
we have an quiet argument, which escalates into a louder argument in the car, I sleep on the couch. Maybe it was a given, and I missed it... but I always suspected that your assistants had a tendency to work ahem overtime. Thanks for the confirmation. BTW, here's what my ankle looked like when I got home: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle1.jpg GOOD LORD, THOMAS! You're a trooper for getting the job done on that one. That's ugly. The ankle's pretty bad, too g. Gosh, man, Sorry your weekend was so dreadful. I'll turn around soon. Hell, it almost has to. Take care of that ankle, man. When's your next assignment? - jerome PS... (OT) I suspect that you de-synergized your website. Good move. I jumped ship this week... after two more downtimes.
RE: ouch
Well, honestly, she started as an assistant, and she was ok. After a while, she retired for the reasons stated. I called all 5 of my regular assistants, none could make it. I even called a couple of pros who are friends on the off-chance they weren't working. I had no choice...I couldn't do it alone. It was either her or my mom. Bear in mind I'm telling you about things the clients and guests didn't see. All they knew is that I could barely walk. All I heard from them was that I was doing a great job, and that they were very thankful that I was working so hard. From their perspective, I was a trouper. I *did* get everything they'll need, and I know they'll be happy. Furthermore, #7 knows not to engage in any girlfriendy stuff on the job. They couldn't tell. tv -Original Message- From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ouch You don't even get a little sympathy from me on this, Tom. That is not an assistant, that is a girlfriend. The two are not interchangable. Good photographic assistants are hard to find. There is a potential grilfriend in every bar. Getting them confused is not very professional. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: RE: ouch Jeez, what a day. A little background. #7 had been retired for a while. Basically, she's not really cut out for assisting. She likes going to weddings, but she's not particularly interested in working them. I get a lot of this: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ashiInChurch.jpg So, while I'm hobbling around trying to find the sundry crap she's left in various pews, she's weepily enjoying the proceedings. Anyway, things got off to a bad start as she was running late. I get really antsy when I'm running late. I've never actually *been* late, because I give myself so much extra time, but I was getting jumpy. So, we started snapping at each other. We get there on time, but I'm uptight, #7 is sulky. The bride has forgotten to bring her list of family shots. There's a divorce, which generally complicates this sort of thing. I start shooting. Ceremony goes off fine, the bright spot of the day was a very cool minister. My ankle has loosened up a bit, so I'm not hobbling too ridiculously. Family photos go twice as long as they should, but we get them done. Head off to the reception. Talk to the catering lady, ask her very nicely if she could serve us early. Generally, vendors get served last, if at all, which is a pain as I would be getting my meal as the bride and groom are finishing theirs. She says ok, but I'll have to wait by the kitchen. There's nowhere to sit, so I stand. 40 minutes later, at 8:55, I'm still standing there on my throbbing ankle. I haven't eaten in 5 hours, my blood sugar has dropped through the floor, my ankle is killing me - I've now crossed a line, and am now officially in a bad mood. First dance is at nine. The food (bad) finally arrives. I find a place to eat, put the plate down, the DJ announces that the first dance will start after the current song. This place is now on my shit list. The reception proceeds. About 20 minutes before the end, the bride and groom decide it's time to leave. I'm in the middle of something else...the card in the camera is full, so I hand it to #7, tell her to put a new one in. I follow the couple as they're making their way to the limo with camera #2. #7 walks up, says she can't get the card in. I take the card, slide it in, and notice something feels wrong. I take a look...she's bent the one of the pins. CF cards are designed so you can't insert them the wrong way, but...well, there it is. I'm pissed, say a few obscenities under my breath. She takes it personally - we have an quiet argument, which escalates into a louder argument in the car, I sleep on the couch. Of course we're out of beer when we get home. *Lovely* day. BTW, here's what my ankle looked like when I got home: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle1.jpg http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ankle2.jpg You knew there was a foot shot in your future. tv
Re: My Son...
After all this you expect me to keep quite? Wait .. Virginia ... put down that duct tape ... get back ... hmpfff hmpfffddl sdffsdfsd jjfj :) At 01:50 PM 6/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I am no fan of democracy: A Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is three hundred wolves and two hundred sheep voting for three wolves and two sheep to come up with a dinner menu. A Constitutional Republic is a republic wherein it has been decided beforehand that lamb is not on the menu. ... Then the high court of the land declares that mutton is not lamb! I'm headed out to take photos of girls with Harleys. This was arranged some time ago, and perhaps it will take my mind off all this for a few moments and stop the squirrel caging of my thoughts and feelings. I'm sorry for my last comment in the original post. Please don't turn this into some sort of political thread. Regards, Bob...
Re: My Son...
You should have left the comments about democracy, republics, and constitutional government out because this will cause people to use the PDML for political comments. Let's just talk about photography. Jim A. From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:14:23 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: My Son... Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:14:46 -0400 First, I want to thank you and everyone for the support and sentiments expressed here. I'm printing them up to give to Aaron when it becomes appropriate to visit him in the hospital in Germany. Just knowing that there are folks out there who care is a great comfort to those who are wounded, scared and suffering. I talked about being free and have made no mention of democracy. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world. I am no fan of democracy: A Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is three hundred wolves and two hundred sheep voting for three wolves and two sheep to come up with a dinner menu. A Constitutional Republic is a republic wherein it has been decided beforehand that lamb is not on the menu. .. Then the high court of the land declares that mutton is not lamb! I'm headed out to take photos of girls with Harleys. This was arranged some time ago, and perhaps it will take my mind off all this for a few moments and stop the squirrel caging of my thoughts and feelings. I'm sorry for my last comment in the original post. Please don't turn this into some sort of political thread. Regards, Bob... Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? -Martin Luther From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My Son... My son is in Iraq. First, I really do hope your son will be all right. Best wishes for him and for you. I do not understand the Iraqi people. At least the French formed an underground and after the war did not tolerate Nazi sympathizers among them. How can this people tolerate the Saddam supporters among them? Because Saddam's government meant stability and predictability of the day-to-day life as weel as provided a sort of the national strenght and pride. Now Iraqi people have to deal with all the after-the war chaos and they don't seem to be prepared for this. Forgive me. Right now I am beginning to believe that there are some peoples in this world who simply do not deserve to be free. It may of course look this way but we need to understand their regional cpecificity. Their region has never been used to democracy, ESPECIALLY in the European/American version. Thus such democracy cannot, or even must not, be enforced upon them - this may not only proove unsuccesful but also be a cause of a civil war with some ideological, religious aspects. I live in Poland, my country is a part of the anti-Saddam coalition. I've supported the war and the whole mission. However, I do hope the democracy will not be brought into Iraq by force. This is not the Iraqi way. And the democracy is not the universal way. I think the Iraqi people feel it and are afraid of the possibility to be forced to accept the democracy. Regards Artur
RE: ouch
-Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My God! Tom! Are you married to #7, or just living with her? If you're not married to her, it's time to change assistants! See my response to Rittenhouse...basically the ankle injury happend about 12 hours before the gig, and I couldn't find anyone else. tv
Re: test
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html How to configure clients for plain text (including AOL's mail). For anyone interested. Maybe some long timer can bookmark this page if this problem ever comes up again for a newbie. Doe aka Marnie ;-) Whew. This is *so* much nicer than using AOL's web mail.
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
If you are using the 360FGZ at the Z-1p, only the TTL will work on the flash. An in this mode, there is no exposure compansation at the flash. The exposure compensation at the flash will only work together with the MZ-S, MZ-6 and *ist. regards Rüdiger Von: Alan Chan I have the same question. I guess it should be the body controls the flash output. regards, Alan Chan Correction: 360FGZ On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Joshua Hakin wrote: I am using these two pieces of equipment together and want to underexpose the flash by one stop (TTL). This flash unit allows you to adjust the exposure from the back, but the Z1-p adjusts the output too. Where should the adjustment be made? Flash - Body? _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: July Pug comments
Okay then. It was there, of course. I went to the original site I quoted, and simply removed general/ I don't have a clue as to why I got the 'general' hooked onto the first part. I will look for all the 135mm f/2.5 shots. Make up my mind how good they are, see if I can come up with something to at least equal them! g Thanks, keith frank theriault wrote: Hey, Keith, http://pug.komkon.org/ That works for me... cheers, frank Keith Whaley wrote: I went here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/ - - and couldn't find July! Where IS it? A different address?
freedom-schmeedom
you have probably meant except that it start out as JWB appointee and does exactly what it's told, right? and as far as threat goes... in recent history, iraq has made far less damage to the world than either britain or usa (or france, or germany or russia for that matter). this rhethoric about democracy and freedom is pathetic. the country that has been authorizing genocide for decades, if not centuries, that has attacked all its neighbors at some point in the past, that invented nuclear weapons, the only one that has actually used them against civilians, that has just introduced secret trials, that said it's legal and constitutional to disappear people, that bases its internal policies on race -- is going to teach the world freedom? gimmie a break! now, can we go back to discussing leica and canon? mishka p.s. yes, i live here. it doesn't mean i should pretend it all does not exist. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world.
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
You mean no flash compensation at all when Z-1p + 360FGZ? Pls fogive me that I do not quite understand fully. regards, Alan Chan If you are using the 360FGZ at the Z-1p, only the TTL will work on the flash. An in this mode, there is no exposure compansation at the flash. The exposure compensation at the flash will only work together with the MZ-S, MZ-6 and *ist. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: ouch
Thanks for the business and sex advice. Once again, PDML answers all your questions. Pat White
Re: My Son...
Bob, I'm very sorry to hear about your son. I can only add my hope for his quick recovery. Ciao, Gianfranco (2nd attempt, something has gone wrong, it seems...) = __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
RE: ouch
A little background. #7 had been retired for a while. Basically, she's not really cut out for assisting. She likes going to weddings, but she's not particularly interested in working them. I get a lot of this: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/images/ashiInChurch.jpg Tell you what Tom, if you could bring along a selection of cast-off assistants to GFM next year, I wouldn't mind a few hand-me-downs. weeps Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: July Pug comments
I found some 135mm lenses in the July PUG - 4 in fact. None say Takumar (Bayonet) 135mm f/2.5, however. Steve Desjardins True Feelings was shot with his MZ-S, using a Takumar 135mm f/2.5. Doesn't say bayonet. Jos Van der Hijden's Doelschietgen, an MX with Takumar 135mm f/2.5. Same comments. But, wait a minute, both M-Series camera bodies are K-mount, and to get there, we've got to use the bayonet version of the lens, don't we... Took me a while to ferret that out, didn't it? g The other two were 135mm, but both f/2.8, and one being an A135 and the other a K135, so I tossed them out. For purposes of this discussion only. Back the quality of the lenses...both were excellent! The focus was spot on, with the young football player, and the young lady swimmer was caught (frozen) in time, to catch the water washing over her shoulder...not blurred...everything important in focus. Great work, gentlemen! keith == who has his work clearly cut out for him! Keith Whaley wrote: Okay then. It was there, of course. I went to the original site I quoted, and simply removed general/ I don't have a clue as to why I got the 'general' hooked onto the first part. I will look for all the 135mm f/2.5 shots. Make up my mind how good they are, see if I can come up with something to at least equal them! g Thanks, keith frank theriault wrote: Hey, Keith, http://pug.komkon.org/ That works for me... cheers, frank Keith Whaley wrote: I went here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/ - - and couldn't find July! Where IS it? A different address?
RE: ouch
Unsnipped for maximum effect: So, while I'm hobbling around trying to find the sundry crap she's left in various pews, she's weepily enjoying the proceedings. Anyway, things got off to a bad start as she was running late. I get really antsy when I'm running late. I've never actually *been* late, because I give myself so much extra time, but I was getting jumpy. So, we started snapping at each other. We get there on time, but I'm uptight, #7 is sulky. The bride has forgotten to bring her list of family shots. There's a divorce, which generally complicates this sort of thing. I start shooting. Ceremony goes off fine, the bright spot of the day was a very cool minister. My ankle has loosened up a bit, so I'm not hobbling too ridiculously. Family photos go twice as long as they should, but we get them done. Head off to the reception. Talk to the catering lady, ask her very nicely if she could serve us early. Generally, vendors get served last, if at all, which is a pain as I would be getting my meal as the bride and groom are finishing theirs. She says ok, but I'll have to wait by the kitchen. There's nowhere to sit, so I stand. 40 minutes later, at 8:55, I'm still standing there on my throbbing ankle. I haven't eaten in 5 hours, my blood sugar has dropped through the floor, my ankle is killing me - I've now crossed a line, and am now officially in a bad mood. First dance is at nine. The food (bad) finally arrives. I find a place to eat, put the plate down, the DJ announces that the first dance will start after the current song. This place is now on my shit list. The reception proceeds. About 20 minutes before the end, the bride and groom decide it's time to leave. I'm in the middle of something else...the card in the camera is full, so I hand it to #7, tell her to put a new one in. I follow the couple as they're making their way to the limo with camera #2. #7 walks up, says she can't get the card in. I take the card, slide it in, and notice something feels wrong. I take a look...she's bent the one of the pins. CF cards are designed so you can't insert them the wrong way, but...well, there it is. I'm pissed, say a few obscenities under my breath. She takes it personally - we have an quiet argument, which escalates into a louder argument in the car, I sleep on the couch. Of course we're out of beer when we get home. Basil Fawlty voice but aside from that, everything was okay? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Alan Chan wrote: You mean no flash compensation at all when Z-1p + 360FGZ? Pls fogive me that I do not quite understand fully. No, what he meant was that the flash exposure compensation has to be controlled by Z-1p (just like it does with any other TTL flash), and not by 360FGZ itself. The flash exposure compensation feature in 360FGZ only works in P-TTL mode. So only cameras with P-TTL compatibility, such as MZ-S, MZ-6/ZX-L or *ist, would allow this. Other Pentax cameras use plain TTL mode with 360FGZ. If you are using the 360FGZ at the Z-1p, only the TTL will work on the flash. An in this mode, there is no exposure compansation at the flash. The exposure compensation at the flash will only work together with the MZ-S, MZ-6 and *ist. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
Re: July Pug problems
I'm still seeing the old Synchronicity stuff from June. :-( Anybody else on AOL having this problem from the USA? I've cleaned out the browser cashe... Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://pug.komkon.org/
Re: My Son...
Bob, sorry to hear the news about the injury that your son sustained in Iraq. I wish him a speed recovery and that he is soon reunited with his family. Harry -- Harold Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
They were only smoozing you up, Frank. With a real BBC they look, but are very carful not to bother the important professional photographer. You are obviously too busy and above talking to lowly people like them. It is really funny. LOL! The fedora would, I think, be too much. Maybe back in the 50s, but not now. Nor, do you want to wear a suit coat, rolled up sleeves and a tie spell man at work. grin Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs? Well, believe it or not, I've been asked a few times if I'm a pro when I've been wandering through crowds with my MX with the winder on it, along with the Series 1 24-48. Mind you, that lens is quite large compared to today's zooms (77mm filter ring), and the winder makes the MX ~almost~ normal size for a 35mm slr g. Maybe I should take a page from Graywolf's book, put on a tie (the last time I put on a tie was at my Dad's funeral 3 1/2 years ago...), wear a fedora, and stick a PRESS sign into the hatband, then go crash a few parties during the upcoming Film Festival... ciao, frank Peter Alling wrote: Why not, I get that effect with the LX, motor and 28-200mm, (which has proven to be a much better lens than I expected). The bigger the camera and lens the better the photographer. -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
Joshua, the 360FGZ unit will work with Z1-p in plain TTL mode, which doesn't allow flash compensation (as opposed to P-TTL, available only with MZ-S and later bodies). So the answer is adjust the output from the body. Servus, Alin Joshua wrote: JH I am using these two pieces of equipment together and want to JH underexpose the flash by one stop (TTL). This flash unit allows you to JH adjust the exposure from the back, but the Z1-p adjusts the output too. JH Where should the adjustment be made? Flash - Body?
Re: freedom-schmeedom
mishka wrote: you have probably meant except that it start out as JWB appointee and does exactly what it's told, right? and as far as threat goes... in recent history, iraq has made far less damage to the world than either britain or usa (or france, or germany or russia for that matter). I guess you have ignored for years and years...and years...the genocide Saddam has practiced, right? Or maybe that doesn't count, so long as you leave your neighbors alone? That's a pitiable attitude, Mishka. this rhethoric about democracy and freedom is pathetic. the country that has been authorizing genocide for decades, if not centuries, 'Scuse me? Authorizing? Whom, to do what? ...that has attacked all its neighbors at some point in the past, that invented nuclear weapons, Only because we judged it the better of the available courses of action to be first, instead of a very VERY sorry second! Do you have any understanding of how close Germany was? You cannot ignore their contribution to the speed of OUR development of nuclear weapons. It's their fervor that drove us on to completion and demonstration of the first-off weapon of it's kind. You may not like it, nor do I...but the world wouldn't exist for you as it does now, if anyone else had gotten there first. So I believe... the only one that has actually used them against civilians, that has just introduced secret trials, Yes, and that does need looking into. No-one to be spared. ...that said it's legal and constitutional to disappear people, Your diatribe misses no subject, does it? Did you have anyone in particular in mind? ...that bases its internal policies on race -- Oh really? Have you a source for that contention? is going to teach the world freedom? gimmie a break! Which would you like? Arm or leg? now, can we go back to discussing leica and canon? No, I'd quite frankly rather talk about Pentax cameras and their use. I'm getting sort of sick of hearing about the Leicas, with their artificially inflated prices, when most of them are no longer even made by the parent company. Leica/Leitz, as a producer of ultra fine cameras, once more than worth their price in the photographic world, has slipped down the path to mediocrity. Still an excellent camera, most of the more expensive ones anyhow, but their mid-line and below are not significantly better than your average Minolta. If that. Sorry if I have tweaked some Minolta fans. It was not my intention. keith whaley mishka p.s. yes, i live here. it doesn't mean i should pretend it all does not exist. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world.
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
Joshua, With the Z1-p it should be done from the body. Set the flash to regular TTL and off you go. Bruce Sunday, June 29, 2003, 1:51:04 PM, you wrote: JH I am using these two pieces of equipment together and want to JH underexpose the flash by one stop (TTL). This flash unit allows you to JH adjust the exposure from the back, but the Z1-p adjusts the output too. JH Where should the adjustment be made? Flash - Body? JH --- JH Joshua Hakin JH www.hakinphoto.com
Re: ouch
fastpat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the business and sex advice. Once again, PDML answers all your questions. Man, if we at the PDML could solve our own problems as well as we can everyone else's, we'd be in great shape! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Good day at the races
Just a note to tell everyone what a good day I had. Actually I should not say that until I get the results back but: Went out to shoot the Canadian cycle championship throught the streets of Hamilton, Ont. Canada today. Used an LX with winder, PZ1 and MZ-S. The LX was loaded with 200 ektachrome, the PZ1 Fuji Velvia and the MZ-S with a 400 print film... Burned some film, good light and I think some good possibilities. As far as lenses, I used the 20A2.8, Tokina ATX 28-70, and 70-200 FA4... and on the LX I used the 100 2.8 most of the time.. Looking forward to seeing the results. Vic The Worlds are coming in October and look forward to shooting that as well...
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
Great, thanks for the help everyone!!! On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 07:35 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Joshua, With the Z1-p it should be done from the body. Set the flash to regular TTL and off you go. Bruce Sunday, June 29, 2003, 1:51:04 PM, you wrote: JH I am using these two pieces of equipment together and want to JH underexpose the flash by one stop (TTL). This flash unit allows you to JH adjust the exposure from the back, but the Z1-p adjusts the output too. JH Where should the adjustment be made? Flash - Body? JH --- JH Joshua Hakin JH www.hakinphoto.com
Re: Iraq and your son
Bob, You have my deepest sympathy. Just make sure your son knows who proud we are of him! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Dr E D F Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Iraq and your son Bob, I don't really know what to say. The others have said it all. I can only add my sympathy to that of theirs and hope that your lad recovers from his injury and gets home really soon. With my best wishes, Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
hi Tom, They were either schmoozing (but they weren't cute women, so I didn't care) or they knew nothing about cameras (most likely). And, I was joking about the fedora vbg. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: They were only smoozing you up, Frank. With a real BBC they look, but are very carful not to bother the important professional photographer. You are obviously too busy and above talking to lowly people like them. It is really funny. LOL! The fedora would, I think, be too much. Maybe back in the 50s, but not now. Nor, do you want to wear a suit coat, rolled up sleeves and a tie spell man at work. grin -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: Z1-p with 360FTZ
No, what he meant was that the flash exposure compensation has to be controlled by Z-1p (just like it does with any other TTL flash), and not by 360FGZ itself. The flash exposure compensation feature in 360FGZ only works in P-TTL mode. So only cameras with P-TTL compatibility, such as MZ-S, MZ-6/ZX-L or *ist, would allow this. Other Pentax cameras use plain TTL mode with 360FGZ. I see. regards, Alan Chan _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: freedom-schmeedom
Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank Keith Whaley wrote: mishka wrote: you have probably meant except that it start out as JWB appointee and does exactly what it's told, right? and as far as threat goes... in recent history, iraq has made far less damage to the world than either britain or usa (or france, or germany or russia for that matter). I guess you have ignored for years and years...and years...the genocide Saddam has practiced, right? Or maybe that doesn't count, so long as you leave your neighbors alone? That's a pitiable attitude, Mishka. this rhethoric about democracy and freedom is pathetic. the country that has been authorizing genocide for decades, if not centuries, 'Scuse me? Authorizing? Whom, to do what? ...that has attacked all its neighbors at some point in the past, that invented nuclear weapons, Only because we judged it the better of the available courses of action to be first, instead of a very VERY sorry second! Do you have any understanding of how close Germany was? You cannot ignore their contribution to the speed of OUR development of nuclear weapons. It's their fervor that drove us on to completion and demonstration of the first-off weapon of it's kind. You may not like it, nor do I...but the world wouldn't exist for you as it does now, if anyone else had gotten there first. So I believe... the only one that has actually used them against civilians, that has just introduced secret trials, Yes, and that does need looking into. No-one to be spared. ...that said it's legal and constitutional to disappear people, Your diatribe misses no subject, does it? Did you have anyone in particular in mind? ...that bases its internal policies on race -- Oh really? Have you a source for that contention? is going to teach the world freedom? gimmie a break! Which would you like? Arm or leg? now, can we go back to discussing leica and canon? No, I'd quite frankly rather talk about Pentax cameras and their use. I'm getting sort of sick of hearing about the Leicas, with their artificially inflated prices, when most of them are no longer even made by the parent company. Leica/Leitz, as a producer of ultra fine cameras, once more than worth their price in the photographic world, has slipped down the path to mediocrity. Still an excellent camera, most of the more expensive ones anyhow, but their mid-line and below are not significantly better than your average Minolta. If that. Sorry if I have tweaked some Minolta fans. It was not my intention. keith whaley mishka p.s. yes, i live here. it doesn't mean i should pretend it all does not exist. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world. -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
Re: freedom-schmeedom
OK, this is it, the one time I'm going to agree with Frank. I have a son who is old enough to be in the military. The anguish that a parent goes through when a child is hurt is deeper than any other. Politics have nothing to do with the trauma to Bob and Aaron's personal world. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank
Re: Digital vs. film again
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: Digital vs. film again Hi William That surprises me. I always thought of 100 lppm as the sound wall of 35mm photographic film technology. Always take the lower value when given resolution numbers. 6:1 toc represents a value closer to the real world of photography. 1000:1 toc represents a knife edged black and white subject, which closely resembles resolution charts. I believe Kodak Technical Pan film will resolve something like 150lppm (this is the highest resolution film available to the public), but in real life, it is impossible to get anywhere close to that. William Robb
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
while browsing for other new Pentax SLRs, i see that the MZ-S has now become a special order item at BH. Herb
Re: Is the MZ-S only fo amateurs?
while browsing for other new Pentax SLRs, i see that the MZ-S has now become a special order item at BH. Either the demand was too low or Pentax was ready to launch a replacement, or BH thought the *istD would kill the MZ-S instantly? regards, Alan Chan _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: freedom-schmeedom
One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. Two entirely separate situations. No-one is trying to impress you. Get over it. keith frank theriault wrote: Bob's son Aaron is lying in a hospital somewhere, wondering if he's going to lose a foot, and you guys get into this discussion. Shame on both of you! I'm not impressed. This really ain't the time... -frank Keith Whaley wrote: mishka wrote: you have probably meant except that it start out as JWB appointee and does exactly what it's told, right? and as far as threat goes... in recent history, iraq has made far less damage to the world than either britain or usa (or france, or germany or russia for that matter). I guess you have ignored for years and years...and years...the genocide Saddam has practiced, right? Or maybe that doesn't count, so long as you leave your neighbors alone? That's a pitiable attitude, Mishka. this rhethoric about democracy and freedom is pathetic. the country that has been authorizing genocide for decades, if not centuries, 'Scuse me? Authorizing? Whom, to do what? ...that has attacked all its neighbors at some point in the past, that invented nuclear weapons, Only because we judged it the better of the available courses of action to be first, instead of a very VERY sorry second! Do you have any understanding of how close Germany was? You cannot ignore their contribution to the speed of OUR development of nuclear weapons. It's their fervor that drove us on to completion and demonstration of the first-off weapon of it's kind. You may not like it, nor do I...but the world wouldn't exist for you as it does now, if anyone else had gotten there first. So I believe... the only one that has actually used them against civilians, that has just introduced secret trials, Yes, and that does need looking into. No-one to be spared. ...that said it's legal and constitutional to disappear people, Your diatribe misses no subject, does it? Did you have anyone in particular in mind? ...that bases its internal policies on race -- Oh really? Have you a source for that contention? is going to teach the world freedom? gimmie a break! Which would you like? Arm or leg? now, can we go back to discussing leica and canon? No, I'd quite frankly rather talk about Pentax cameras and their use. I'm getting sort of sick of hearing about the Leicas, with their artificially inflated prices, when most of them are no longer even made by the parent company. Leica/Leitz, as a producer of ultra fine cameras, once more than worth their price in the photographic world, has slipped down the path to mediocrity. Still an excellent camera, most of the more expensive ones anyhow, but their mid-line and below are not significantly better than your average Minolta. If that. Sorry if I have tweaked some Minolta fans. It was not my intention. keith whaley mishka p.s. yes, i live here. it doesn't mean i should pretend it all does not exist. Neither I nor my government care what form of government the Iraqis choose, except that it start out as the choice of the Iraqi people and that it not be a danger to their neighbors or the world. -- What a senseless waste of human life -The Customer in Monty Python's Cheese Shop sketch
