Re: Quite OT: Bill Evans
Oh, I don't find the computer mindset so strange, after all we are all sitting here behind a keyboard. However only 0.1% of the population are serious photographers, and it seems like about 1/2 of that 0.1% are into Jazz. That has to be more than a coincidence. Through jazz you see things... Andre
Just one tip
Give up now! Get rid of all cameras. If you don't you run the serious risk of becoming enslaved to some aspect of the discipline: the equipment, the taking of pictures, processing of both kinds, and, last but no least [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 Oh my God! They've killed Teddy!
Re: [Fwd: FS: Rare Pentax enlarging lens]
I have two different models under the Durst Neonon label. I'm not sure both are made by Pentax but I guess so. I asked the seller for a pic. Andre Who know this lens ? Message d'origine Sujet: FS: Rare Pentax enlarging lens Date: 27 Dec 2003 13:33:45 GMT De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ChrisPlatt) Société: AOL http://www.aol.com Forums: rec.photo.marketplace.35mm Pentax-EL 50mm f/2.8 enlarging lens 6 elements; 8-blade diaphragm; appears to be multicoated. All metal barrel except for rubber grip; illuminated f-stops. In original Asahi Pentax plastic bubble; appears never used. Pentax manufactured lenses for a major enlarger manufacturer, but this is the only example I have ever seen in Pentax brand. Best offer. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: FS: Rare Pentax enlarging lens]
AAAh both very nice lenses especially the 50mm f2.8 el nikkor, it is almost apochromatic. William For Nikon, I know, I have a 4/50 enlarging lens and my brother a 2.8/50. But I never see (in France) a Pentax enlarging lens. Thank's Michel Pentax \ Neonon should be good also. They were sold with the best Durst enlargers. There was a 105mm lens also for 6x7. They were in the same price range than Rodagon and Componon-S lenses. Among the best enlarging lenses are also the Meogon from Meopta (Eastern Europe). On par with Leitz EL from the tests I've seen. Slow, heavy and expensive lenses, still sold today. Andre
Re: a small feather in my cap - yes, I used a Pentax
On Monday, Dec 29, 2003, at 23:43 Asia/Singapore, Ann Sanfedele wrote: After coming home from a miserable showing at a weekend long Scrabble tournament, (yeah, yeah, I had fun anyway:) ) ... I got an email from documentary film maker Eric Chaikin that 5 of my stills of Scrabble champs will be used in his film, WORD WARS Woohoo! Congratulations, Ann! Seems to me that that's bigger than a small feather. You're going to sell us copies of the film now, right? :-) --jc
Re: Just one tip
Tom wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? Don't drop your camera on pavement. I did that once. But the alternative would have been an RB67 hitting my foot, lens first. OTOH it would have taken less time for my foot to heal than it took me to fix the lens. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:18:50 +1100, Anthony Farr wrote: Back in the late 80s, Australia's intelligence service, ASIO, advertised (yes! advertised) in the daily papers for photographers. Needing work at the time I applied, and it was one of the strangest interviews I ever sat, in a mirror walled office, no less. The very first question was, How do you handle heat? I believe they were fishing for an inappropriate response to an alternative definition of heat. When I was an apprentice technician for Telecom in Brisbane one day we managed to loose on of our technicians. He had inadvertantly walked into an ASIO office while running a cable for the government department next door. He was there for about a minute when someone noticed him and said What are you doing here? At that point covers were slammed down over all the desks and several men came up to him. He was then taken away and questioned until nearly midnight - he was working on the job in the morning. He was eventually let go and finished his work the next day. A few weeks later some work was required in the office he had wandered into and he was requested by name to do the work and did all the work there following that. I guess he passed the tests as well. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: Just one tip
Learn about light! Both in how to measure it and how to compose with it. Bruce Monday, December 29, 2003, 7:54:39 PM, you wrote: KW If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, KW what would it be? KW I think I would say something like try to see the image before you take it KW or something like, always take extra film/batteries KW Kind regards KW Kevin
AW: Just one tip
o Try guessing aperture and speed before looking at the meter and a second one (sorry): o Throw away bad prints before someone can look over your shoulder, saying Oh, can I have this one? Sven -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. Dezember 2003 04:55 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Just one tip If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? I think I would say something like try to see the image before you take it or something like, always take extra film/batteries Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: 88 degree angle of view and f/3.5, was Re: Pentax AF 18.5/2.8 for SLR
På 30. des. 2003 kl. 01.02 skrev Rob Studdert: On 29 Dec 2003 at 23:53, Dag T wrote: Sorry, I lost you there, you meant 12,5mm? No, 12.5mm FL lens on a 35mm frame provides a 120° DAOV or 110° HAOV. OK, but if a 22.5mm FF lens has an angle of view of 88mm (a didn´t remember those numbers), the FOV factor of 1.5 of the *istD should indicate that a new DA lens with this angle of view would be a 15mm. A DA 15mm f/3.5 would be very interesting DagT
Re: Deleted all messages!
On 29/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Greetings and post Christmas felicitations! I just came back from a 3 day trip to visit my grandkids, and when I came back, I had 524 messages! While I scanned them for really important messages, it was too much to read, so I tossed them all out! If anyone had sent me a message I summarily tossed, please re-send. I'm home now for a while! g Thanks, keith whaley That's alright Keith, I just deleted your message. Happy holidays :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Just one tip
On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? For portraits, don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Evening / night photography
Good morning, good evening, good day all PUGgers I urgently need constructive and practical (what to do, when to do and how to do it) advice on evening / night time photography (in- and outdoors). I only had one successful shot in the dark (and it literally was a shot in the dark, which was displayed on PUG some time back) and have never been able to recreate it. I did not have a shutter release cable then but do now. My camera is an MZ50. Thanks a lot, in advance! Naomi van der Lippe Randburg, South Africa ** Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official business of MultiChoice Africa is proprietary to the company. Any view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email, facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message. **
Re: Just one tip
On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? I already offered 'just one tip' so I won't offer anymore as it's outside the remit of the original question. However, I have a poster up on the side of one of our fridges (my wife collects them - don't ask) and it is of a native African girl in a 3rd world country somewhere looking down the viewfinder of a 16mm film camera (an Aaton I think - could be an Arri SR maybe) and she's smiling - the camera is pointed straight at the photographer's lens and the caption reads in big white letters: 'A PHOTOGRAPH IS USUALLY LOOKED AT - SELDOM LOOKED INTO' I see it every morning as I go out the door and there isn't a day goes by when I don't think about it. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Just one tip
Move in close and fill the frame with your subject. On Dec 29, 2003, at 10:54 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? I think I would say something like try to see the image before you take it or something like, always take extra film/batteries Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: Just one tip
Hi, If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? Don't try to be a photographer. Just be someone who photographs the stuff you're interested in anyway. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT: frame rates
Not trying to start a discussion on frame rates. I was just amazed at the sound of the Nikon D2H at full burst: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/page6.asp scroll down. 40 frames in 5 seconds! They compare it to a Canon 1D 21 frames in less than 3 seconds. Again, please do not comment on frame rates. Please. Just marvel at the technology and more to the point the sound! Most of my fellow onsite digital photographers sound like this at the events i'm at. The D2H is designed for PJ and sport photographers,however since i only take one shot at a time,and not spend 1-2 min looking at the lcd screen deleting unwanted pic's,like they do,the fast speeds would only be used occassionally,by me anyway.:-) However ,it does look,sound like a cool camera,and thats what i'm saving my schekles for. Dave(taking the baby in for a bath at Nikon today)Brooks
Re: 88 degree angle of view and f/3.5, was Re: Pentax AF 18.5/2.8 for SLR
On 30 Dec 2003 at 10:39, Dag T wrote: OK, but if a 22.5mm FF lens has an angle of view of 88mm (a didn´t remember those numbers), the FOV factor of 1.5 of the *istD should indicate that a new DA lens with this angle of view would be a 15mm. OK now I'm confused. If the diagonal angle of view across an APS frame (almost the same as the *ist D sensor) is 88° then this lenses actual FL would be approximately 18mm. If this same 18mm lens covered a 35mm frame it would provide a 100.5° diagonal angle of view in that format. A DA 15mm f/3.5 would be very interesting Not for those of us who already own an SMCPA15/3.5, an 18/2.8 would be nice though. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: My first photography lessons
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'd be happy to, at some time, explain in detail one of the major failings of relying on such meters for every exposure. Please? I can understand limitations of situations like fireworks (as you mentioned already) where the light changes *all* the time and the background is black. In less special cases? Kostas
Re: Dynamic Range
definition from 2nd Edition, McGraw Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technical Terms: dynamic range (electrical engineering) - the ratio of the maximum signal level capacity of a system or component to its noise level, usually specified as decibels. capacity, not what happens during use. no time. imaging sensors capture all of their signal simultaneously. what's the maximum possible, what's the minimum possible, and what's the difference. Herb - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Dynamic Range time variation has nothing to do with the definition. No, but it's implied. If there were no variation, there would be no need for range, dynamic or otherwise. The sound varies in level with (guess what) time. That is, for example, music is dynamic! Meaning changing, with what? Time! It cannot be predicted by the amplifier. This is why the range is necessary, and why we call it dynamic. If it did not change with time, we would call it static range! When we say dynamic range, we mean the range is provided to accommodate the dynamic (not static) nature of the music (or other sound).
Re: To bitmap or not to bitmap ...
At 04:12 PM 12/29/2003 +, you wrote: On 29/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I'd guess that the lab uses BMP because it is the native image for Windows, and they probably figure that most of their customers are windows users and can open BMP files. It's the lowest common denominator. With respect, if one provides a format that cannot be viewed natively by all users, how can it be the lowest common denominator? Ok - lowest uncommon denominator? :-) - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: My first photography lessons
Do you have a camera with such a meter that you use? If so, we can go from there. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I'd be happy to, at some time, explain in detail one of the major failings of relying on such meters for every exposure. Please? I can understand limitations of situations like fireworks (as you mentioned already) where the light changes *all* the time and the background is black. In less special cases? Kostas
Re: A quick *ist D comment.
Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I just saw a flyer for CVS (a drugstore chain) that has a new Kodak machine for making prints from your CF card. $0.29, USD Most of the large chain drug stores around here have those machines now. I'll bet the chemical minilabs start disappearing soon. I expect that for that price, it is a wet process machine. The Fuji Print pix we have is a dry system. No chemicals nor water like the Fuji Aladdin. It uses a special paper and UV light to create the image. It has about the color range of a dye-sub print i.e. not quite as vibrant as a good wet or ink jet print. Wow, I'd have thought it was a wet process print system, too (still much less hassle for the drug store than a full C-41 minilab). My neighborhood CVS has a Kodak machine. I wonder what kind of process that uses. Now that I think about it, it does look very small for any kind of wet process machine - I expect it's similar to the Fuji. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It occured to me that my failure to get the job at the initial interview, and the ensuing period (of observation?) was in fact the normal procedure, and I wasn't unsuccessful after all. Life could have been vey different for me. Yeah? And how are we all supposed to know *for certain* that you didn't really get the job after all? This is just the kind of story a real spook would use to gain our confidence!g -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Just one tip
Study your unsuccessful shots as carefully as your successful shots because you can learn from both. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: 88 degree angle of view and f/3.5, was Re: Pentax AF 18.5/2.8 for SLR
På 30. des. 2003 kl. 14.13 skrev Rob Studdert: On 30 Dec 2003 at 10:39, Dag T wrote: OK, but if a 22.5mm FF lens has an angle of view of 88mm (a didn´t remember those numbers), the FOV factor of 1.5 of the *istD should indicate that a new DA lens with this angle of view would be a 15mm. OK now I'm confused. If the diagonal angle of view across an APS frame (almost the same as the *ist D sensor) is 88° then this lenses actual FL would be approximately 18mm. If this same 18mm lens covered a 35mm frame it would provide a 100.5° diagonal angle of view in that format. One of us is confused, i´m not sure who :-) Doesn´t the field of view of your 15mm correspond to the field of view on a 22mm when used on the *istD? A DA 15mm f/3.5 would be very interesting Not for those of us who already own an SMCPA15/3.5, an 18/2.8 would be nice though. They have another patent application for that one... DagT
Re: Just one tip
Read the manual of your camera/flash etc. once a year, take it with you for those moments where you have nothing better to do. On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 04:54, Kevin Waterson wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? I think I would say something like try to see the image before you take it or something like, always take extra film/batteries Kind regards Kevin -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Minolta] Processing color negative film
Hi, are you talking about bw, colour, or both? BW is pretty easy; I've never tried colour though. You need a processing tank and somewhere dark to load it with the film. You can buy or make a changing bag for this. Then you need some chemicals, a thermometer and a clock for processing the film. Then you need some stop bath and fixer, then you need some water for rinsing. When you've rinsed the film you have to dry it somewhere which minimises the amount of dust you get on it. That takes care of processing. If you want contact prints that's a more difficult matter because to do them properly you need a darkroom with a safelight. However, if you have a flatbed scanner I believe you can make passable contact prints with that. The cost of processing is quite low, depending on the quality of the equipment you buy. www.silverprint.co.uk will tell you how much in £s. This web site tells you the basics: http://www.silverlight.co.uk/tutorials/basicpf/filmdev.html Google 'basic film development' will tell you far more than you need to know. -- Cheers, Bob Thursday, December 25, 2003, 5:02:00 AM, you wrote: Hi All this talk of film getting harder and harder to get processing has made me think that maybe I should pursue this idea of mine to process my own. I only need to process the film into negatives and have no need of prints from a lab as I will scan and digitally process from there. I've searched somewhat for info on this and haven't found out what I need to know or what equipment I need to buy. If anyone is selling this equipment I might be very interested also, but first I need to get a handle on what I'm getting myself into and how much it will strain my wallet. I know many of you don't like the time and effort involved with all this scanning etc, but I truly get a much better sense of satisfaction with this process then just picking up my pictures from the lab. I feel that processing the negatives as well would not only make me more independent, but also enhance the satisfaction I get from this. Any advice on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Dave
*istD tally
Since the *istD was released, I have tried to keep track of PDML'ers who have bought the camera. I have no idea if my list is complete, but so far it counts 55 names! Impressive, imo. Cheers, Jostein -
RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
-- -Original Message- -- From: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:30 PM -- -- Hi John, -- -- on 29 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: -- -- -- Would it work in Av mode? -- -- No. In Av mode the camera seems to shoot with the lens wide open, -- no matter what you set the aperture ring to. It *does* -- stop the lens -- down briefly, but only after the exposure has been made. -- Very strange. -- -- There's a simple workaround: put some tape on your lens' -- mount at the -- position of the KAF2-contacts. By isolating this area the -- *istD won't -- recognize the lens as non-A-lens and will stop down correctly. -- -- Cheers, Heiko -- What type of tape are you using? I just tried it with my K 50/1.2 and cellophane tape. It did not work. I was using the 50 last night in Av mode. I do the unlocking of the lens at minimum aperture. It works fine that way and the lens is in no danger of falling off. I have shot that way for hours at a time carrying the camera outside of a bag - no problems. César Panama City, Florida
RE: PUG themes and submissions
-- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:18 PM -- -- On 29/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: -- -- Glad to see I am not forgotten when I disappear from the -- list for a little -- bit:-) -- Made me feel good to see that at least I am consistent in -- trying to catch up -- with the list... -- -- Thanks Cotty, -- -- Yo Cesar! Nice one lad, hope you're well. -- -- -- -- -- Cheers, -- Cotty -- -- -- ___/\__ -- || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps -- _ -- Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- Greetings Cotty! All is well, just busy. Had a nice quiet Christmas with the folks and sister (who flew back north on Christmas day). The goal of being current on the list as the New Year arrives, Cesar Panama City, Florida
RE: Quite OT: Bill Evans
Frank, There is usually one laying about at GFMtn. If not, you could always pop it into the sound system of my car. Pretty good sound, considering it is in a car and is stock... I enjoy jazz myself, along with a multitude of other types of music. Though I must admit to being terrible in remembering names and titles. CDs all the way during the drive to GFMtn, César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 6:40 PM -- -- perhaps I'll try actually typing something this time before -- I hit send -- vbg -- -- Hi, Ann, -- -- What do you mean by old? -- -- You know, there are lots of kids (meaning younger than me... -- vbg) out -- there who get much of their inspiration from people like -- Coltrane, Bird, -- Evans, Davis, Monk. Listen to Micheal Brecker, the Marsalis -- brothers, Brad -- Meldhau, Joshua Redman (Dewey Redman's kid). Mind you, ya -- gotta watch that -- they're doing an acoustic set, as some of them will play -- with electric bands -- once in a while, but on the whole, they'll do an entire CD -- of acoustic, or -- an entire CD of electric. -- -- And, of course, some of the young lions from the 60's are -- still around, -- making fresh stuff, like Brubeck, Herbie Hancock, Wayne -- Shorter, Keith -- Jarrett, and just blowing the current youngsters off the -- stage! vbg -- -- Maybe I'll bring some newer acoustic stuff down to GFM. -- Surely someone will -- have a boom box... vbg -- -- cheers, -- frank -- -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible -- worlds. The pessimist -- fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- -- -- -- -- From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Add me to that list :) -- -- Well, the old stuff -- I don't really know the new kids on the block -- -- annsan
Re: Just one tip
BTW, I'm helping a group of girl scouts get a photography badge this Friday. I've officially started assembling a list of these tips. ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
Cesar, What I like about the Gossen Digisix is the ability to clip it on the flash shoe. Kind of like the old clip ons in the days before in camera metering, except this one has the ability to do both incident and reflected metering. There's a newer model that also does flash metering. Bill - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D Bill, I always carry an external meter. I do use it quite a bit. It is nice to know that you can use the internal meter though when using an external meter just is not practical. César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:13 AM -- -- I prefer my method of setting the camera on manual, and -- using an external -- meter. -- -- Bill -- -- -- - Original Message - -- From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 10:01 AM -- -- -- -- -Original Message- -- -- From: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:32 AM -- -- -- -- Hi Cesar, -- -- -- -- on 30 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: -- -- -- -- What type of tape are you using? I just tried it with my K -- -- 50/1.2 and -- -- cellophane tape. It did not work. -- -- -- -- -- -- Simple scotch (or Tesa) tape. I set the *istD to Av and if I -- -- stop down -- -- the lens, the pictures get darker. If I take a lens withour -- -- tape, then -- -- all pictures are identical regardless of the chosen aperture. -- -- -- -- Cheers, Heiko -- -- -- -- I understand now. You were talking about the camera baing -- able to close -- down the aperture. Yes the pictures get darker with the -- tape in place. -- -- You cannot use the camera meter for settings unless you -- interpolate. But -- then you would have to use the M mode to get proper exposure. -- -- I still prefer my method of unlocking the lens. No need -- for tape and you -- can use the Av mode with the camera meter directly. -- -- Thanks for the info, -- -- César -- Panama City, Florida -- --
Re: To bitmap or not to bitmap ...
On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: On 29/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I'd guess that the lab uses BMP because it is the native image for Windows, and they probably figure that most of their customers are windows users and can open BMP files. It's the lowest common denominator. With respect, if one provides a format that cannot be viewed natively by all users, how can it be the lowest common denominator? Ok - lowest uncommon denominator? :-) Like the man said, I'll buy that for a dollar! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
Bill, Thanks for the info. I may have to look at it at GFMtn. I used to carry around the Sekonic Studio Deluxe L-398M (from memory). Now I cart about the Sekonic L-358 Flash Meter (because it is a flash meter). So nice to be up to speed, César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:07 AM -- -- Cesar, -- -- What I like about the Gossen Digisix is the ability to clip -- it on the flash -- shoe. Kind of like the old clip ons in the days before in -- camera metering, -- except this one has the ability to do both incident and -- reflected metering. -- There's a newer model that also does flash metering. -- -- Bill -- snip
Pentax's dSLR future?
I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: [Minolta] Processing color negative film
Hello Dave, If/when I shoot film, I just have the lab process the film - no prints. They give me back a sleeved roll for the cost of US $2.50. The wait time for this is about 10-15 minutes. Then, like you, I scan and use a digital process for the rest. I would be curious to know what the cost per roll is to process yourself. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 9:02:00 PM, you wrote: DM Hi DM All this talk of film getting harder and harder to get processing has made DM me think that maybe I should pursue this idea of mine to process my own. I DM only need to process the film into negatives and have no need of prints from DM a lab as I will scan and digitally process from there. DM I've searched somewhat for info on this and haven't found out what I need to DM know or what equipment I need to buy. If anyone is selling this equipment I DM might be very interested also, but first I need to get a handle on what I'm DM getting myself into and how much it will strain my wallet. DM I know many of you don't like the time and effort involved with all this DM scanning etc, but I truly get a much better sense of satisfaction with this DM process then just picking up my pictures from the lab. I feel that DM processing the negatives as well would not only make me more independent, DM but also enhance the satisfaction I get from this. DM Any advice on this subject would be greatly appreciated. DM Dave DM To unsubscribe from this list please send an e-mail to DM [EMAIL PROTECTED]. DM Yahoo! Groups Links DM To visit your group on the web, go to: DM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Minolta/ DM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DM [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: DM http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
In conjunction with the design and engineering folks who decided that it is too difficult to keep everything 100% backwards compatible and still add the new features we want. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Face it. Go out and buy old A lenses or wait for the newer lenses to come out. Pentax doesn't want us to use the old K and M lenses. All the techniques described shouldn't have to be done, but the marketing folks decided to not make this expensive body function with all the classic K and M lenses made. Jim A. _ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
Has there been an official announcement from Pentax stating that there will be future DSLRs? Do you want a DSLR now or can you wait years? It took 3 years I believe from the announcement of the MZ-D to the actual shipping of the *ist-D (two very different cameras). I LIKE Pentax cameras and lenses. I didn't want to jump ship so I bought their first DSLR because I felt it would fit my needs just fine. And it has. But I am also realistic when it comes to Pentax's product development and release schedule. I can't hold my breath very long, can you? You need to ask yourself if you want a camera now (with one major limitation) or if you can hold your breath for the next one. Who's to say the next one will be more feature-rich, more MPs or have a 24x36mm sensor? It could be a long wait for something that doesn't fit your needs or it could be a long wait that pays off in the end. Either way, I think it's going to be a long wait. Only you can decide. Christian - Original Message - From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Pentax's dSLR future? I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
RE: Pentax's dSLR future?
I think Pop Photo just did a little piece on Pentax's upcoming offerings... -Original Message- From: Francis Alviar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:35 PM To: Pentax Discuss List Subject: Pentax's dSLR future? I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hi Cesar, on 30 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: What type of tape are you using? I just tried it with my K 50/1.2 and cellophane tape. It did not work. Simple scotch (or Tesa) tape. I set the *istD to Av and if I stop down the lens, the pictures get darker. If I take a lens withour tape, then all pictures are identical regardless of the chosen aperture. Cheers, Heiko I think you guys should send this email to the CEO of Pentax in Japan as a FYI! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: *istD tally
Is this list online? At 05:02 PM 12/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Jostein a écrit: Since the *istD was released, I have tried to keep track of PDML'ers who have bought the camera. I have no idea if my list is complete, but so far it counts 55 names! And one more ! Michel
Re: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
Hi, P.S. I also have a story of being mistaken for a doctor while another friend, in med school at the time, was showing me around the hospital where she was an intern... hmm. Doesn't sound suitable for family viewing. I'm reminded of the scene from one of the old British Doctor ... series of movies. He is examining a young girl with a stethoscope. Doctor: Big breath now! Girl: Yeth, and I'm only thikthteen. -- Cheers, Bob
RE: Pentax's dSLR future?
Francis Alviar wrote: I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? The real question is does the current Pentax DSLR do what you want now and you feel it is the right price. I have no intention of moving to a later model for many years, so living with what it does now is important. With this technology, like computers, there will always be better models coming along at the same prices. You have to choose the point you want to jump aboard - for some the arrival of the *ist D was not quick enough. I had enough lenses to not want to change manufacturer, even with any limitation that may bring with it and didn't mind waiting and waiting.. Then I waited for the reviews, which were brilliant, which meant getting one was difficult :-) You could gasp just consider it as a different format and look at other manufacturers offerings. I seriously did for a while, but felt I could wait and, as I use film, didn't want to carry two sets of lenses. Malcolm
Re: OT: Best photography novel?
Actually, I'm not sure, but I love the movie, and it is about a photographer who uses his telephoto lens to spy on his neighbors. Ann Sanfedele wrote: Dan Matyola wrote: Rear Window? Was it a book first? ann -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
-- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:05 PM -- -- On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: -- -- Hi Cesar, -- -- on 30 Dec 03 you wrote in pentax.list: -- -- What type of tape are you using? I just tried it with my -- K 50/1.2 and -- cellophane tape. It did not work. -- -- -- Simple scotch (or Tesa) tape. I set the *istD to Av and if -- I stop down -- the lens, the pictures get darker. If I take a lens withour -- tape, then -- all pictures are identical regardless of the chosen aperture. -- -- Cheers, Heiko -- -- I think you guys should send this email to the CEO of Pentax -- in Japan as -- a FYI! -- -- -- -- -- Cheers, -- Cotty -- -- -- ___/\__ -- || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps -- _ -- Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- But we should show a more elaborate testing procedure... :-) Cesar Panama City, Florida
Re: OT: Best photography novel?
Hi, I think it's from an original screenplay, not a novel. The relationship between the James Stewart and Grace Kelly characters is based on the relationship between Bob Capa and Ingrid Bergman. Great film. -- Cheers, Bob Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 6:31:16 PM, you wrote: Actually, I'm not sure, but I love the movie, and it is about a photographer who uses his telephoto lens to spy on his neighbors. Ann Sanfedele wrote: Dan Matyola wrote: Rear Window? Was it a book first? ann -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
yahoo weird
Yahoo is being weirdI just got this message back from them that I sent to the list on the Dec 25th. I wondered about not seeing it, but I know that several on the list replied. So you guys got it but not me until now! Anyone else having this problem? - Original Message - From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:02 AM Subject: [Minolta] Processing color negative film Hi All this talk of film getting harder and harder to get processing has made me think that maybe I should pursue this idea of mine to process my own. I only need to process the film into negatives and have no need of prints from a lab as I will scan and digitally process from there. I've searched somewhat for info on this and haven't found out what I need to know or what equipment I need to buy. If anyone is selling this equipment I might be very interested also, but first I need to get a handle on what I'm getting myself into and how much it will strain my wallet. I know many of you don't like the time and effort involved with all this scanning etc, but I truly get a much better sense of satisfaction with this process then just picking up my pictures from the lab. I feel that processing the negatives as well would not only make me more independent, but also enhance the satisfaction I get from this. Any advice on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Dave To unsubscribe from this list please send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Minolta/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
medium format question partially OT
I no longer trust my medium format Kowa equipment and it's time to make a change. I have to decide between Pentax 67 and Hasselblad. I like the leaf shutters on the Hasselblad because of the higher speed flash synch for daylight fill flash. Apparently, Pentax only has one leaf shutter lens in their current line-up? The Hasselblad system seems to be more extensive but I could use the Pentax glass with my 35mm equipment with the adapters. I could also use my Pentax flashes. Does anyone have any other comments about the two systems? I'll use if primarily for portrait work, with some nature photography and weddings when coerced. Thanks for any insight you can provide. Tom Reese
RE: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
-- -Original Message- -- From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:02 PM -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Hi, -- -- P.S. I also have a story of being mistaken for a doctor -- while another -- friend, in med school at the time, was showing me around -- the hospital where -- she was an intern... -- -- hmm. Doesn't sound suitable for family viewing. I'm reminded of the -- scene from one of the old British Doctor ... series of -- movies. He is -- examining a young girl with a stethoscope. -- -- Doctor: Big breath now! -- Girl: Yeth, and I'm only thikthteen. -- -- -- -- Cheers, -- Bob -- LOL! She was so mad that everyone turned to me for information. I pulled it all off quite well. Now that I think of it she never did invite me to the hospital again, the university - sure, just not the teaching hospital. She is now a doctor and also a professor at that university... As for family viewing, I guess it dependson the family :-) A, the stories I could tell... about teaching hospitals of course - cadavers in classrooms and such... Cesar Panama City, Florida
Re: Dynamic Range
Herb, I am not in conflict with this term, nor am I saying you can't use it any way you want. There are some areas where one may generate some quiet chuckles from older folks if one uses the word dynamic where it's not appropriate, however. Toward the end of this post, I'll bring this back to photography. So far we have been talking primarily about equipment. This has been a mistake. It's all to easy for us engineers to become too engrossed with the equipment we are designing, using or buying, their specifications, capabilities etc. We forget, or push back to another compartment of our mind, the fact that this is all reproduction equipment. I'd say that this happens in engineering texts too, but in fact, it's there, in the word dynamic itself. I am saying that the music existed before the the record player was invented, and Images worthy of being recorded existed before the first camera, even before the first paint brush. Let's look at music first. It's a reasonable analog to part of the process. We'll get back to cameras shortly. What qualities does music have? Well, there's a range of frequencies. That would be bandwidth or frequency response. There's loudness, usually measured in spl. Oh yes, and there is variation in the loudness. (There are, of course many other qualities, but I'm not going to get into them here.) This variation in loudness can sometimes be quite great. Ever listen to the New World Symphony (No. 9), Dvorak? Well, this loudness range in the music is called, ah... guess what? Dynamic Range! For an instrument, it's the range of the softest to the loudest sound that can be produced by an instrument. For a performance, it's the difference in signal level between the loudest and quietest parts of a performance. Note - this is important - the loudest and quietest parts do not occur at the same time. The music is continually changing throughout the performance! This is why it's called dynamic! From the dictionary - Of or relating to variation of intensity, as in musical sound. Note the word variation. When loudness varies, the relation is to time. So variation with time is inherent in the word dynamic. As to the equipment, The specification for the amplifier is driven by the dynamic range of the sound it must reproduce. So, a peice of electronic equipment that is said to have a certain dynamic range has it because it must reproduce or generate something else (music?) that actually has the property of dynamic range. I suppose it would be more accurate to say that the equipment supports a dynamic range, but nobody's going to use all those words. This is consistant with every other area of engineering wherein the words dynamic or dynamics is used. When you were studying engineering, you most likely took courses in Statics and Dynamics I still have my old texts. What was the difference? Ah, Dynamics included objects that moved (had velocity) and had other properties measured per unit time! Now, on to digital photography. The scene before us is usually dynamic. Even if it's the Rocky Mountains, the light is changing. Even if it isn't changing, (studio still life) we use the camera for different scenes and switching from one scene to another or moving from one view point to another produces the dynamics of range. Since the scene is dynamic, each sensor must be capable of measureing an acceptable range of light and it must be able to react to changes in level as we frame, focus and as lighting changes. The problem presented to the sensor is dynamic and the sensor must possess the dynamic range to to follow the scene. Once we snap the shutter, All becomes static. Nothing of the recorded scene moves again. From pixel to pixel, there is change, perhaps great variation, but it's static, not moving. The variation is over space, not time. Now, initially, the scene is recorded in a fashion that could accommodate variation over time (raw), but it's not changing - static. We can convert it to a jpeg. This removes even the capability to accommodate variation over time. Now it's not only static, it doesn't even have the capability to be dynamic. In order to modify the image it must be converted back to a raw format. If you want dynamic range in your recorded images, get a video or motion picture camera. Anyway, that's my opinion, derived from... history. Regards, Bob... They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] definition from 2nd Edition, McGraw Hill Dictionary of Scientific and Technical Terms: dynamic range (electrical engineering) - the ratio of the maximum signal level capacity of a system or component to its noise level, usually specified as decibels. capacity, not what happens during use. no time. imaging sensors capture all of their signal simultaneously. what's the maximum possible, what's the minimum possible, and what's the difference. From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL
Re: Just one tip
Have the damn camera with you. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D
Cesar, In the meantime, you can check out: http://www.bogenphoto.com/ The new one with flash metering is the DigiFlash. Bill - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: RE: Manual Lens on Pentax ist D Bill, Thanks for the info. I may have to look at it at GFMtn. I used to carry around the Sekonic Studio Deluxe L-398M (from memory). Now I cart about the Sekonic L-358 Flash Meter (because it is a flash meter). So nice to be up to speed,
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
I am one who eagerly wanted to get the *istD only to be disappointed that it would not offer full compatibility with older K and M lenses as my PZ1-p does. I no longer think of myself as owning any new Pentax equipment. As long as film is around, I will continue to use my current film based Pentaxes fully. Frankly, I think the way to go is Canon. Jim A. From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:34:30 -0800 (PST) To: Pentax Discuss List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax's dSLR future? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:34:31 -0500 I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's Bill - Original Message - From: Jim Apilado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? I am one who eagerly wanted to get the *istD only to be disappointed that it would not offer full compatibility with older K and M lenses as my PZ1-p does. I no longer think of myself as owning any new Pentax equipment. As long as film is around, I will continue to use my current film based Pentaxes fully. Frankly, I think the way to go is Canon. Jim A. From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:34:30 -0800 (PST) To: Pentax Discuss List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax's dSLR future? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:34:31 -0500 I can't wait to get an *ist D. However I would like to ask everyone's opinion whether it's a good time to jump in now or wait for the next Pentax dSLR. Where do you see this going in the near future? Will Pentax release a higher resolution camera (8 or 9 MP) or just continue to update the *istD with more features. Or will they release another 6.*MP dSLR based on the MZ-S or PZ-1p platform? __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: medium format question partially OT
To me the big difference is affordability. The Hassy glass and cameras are very expensive; the Pentax 6x7 glass and cameras are not. I use a 6x7 for portraits, fashion, and car photography. I've found that my one leaf shutteer lens, the 165/4 serves my needs. It's the right length for portraits and can be used for outdoor fashion with fill. Indoors I generally shoot full length fashion and glamour at 1/30 with the 105/2.4. However, the 90/2.8 leaf shutter lens is still widely available on ebay if you need a normal lens with high speed synch. I don't. On my car shoots, I can shoot underhood shots off a ladder with the 165, and I use the 55 with flash at 1/30 for interiors. I really need the 45, but I'm waiting for a bargain. I do some nature shoots with the 300/4. I find it's very good, even with the 2X converter. (The seven element late-model Pentax version.) I also shoot cars with the 300/4, because the magazine art directors like that hunkered down foreshortened look. The transparencies are extremely sharp and contrasty. I have never experienced any problems with vibration, contrary to a lot of what you'll hear on this forum and elsewhere. I do use a very substantial tripod and head with the long lens. On Dec 30, 2003, at 2:23 PM, Tom Reese wrote: I no longer trust my medium format Kowa equipment and it's time to make a change. I have to decide between Pentax 67 and Hasselblad. I like the leaf shutters on the Hasselblad because of the higher speed flash synch for daylight fill flash. Apparently, Pentax only has one leaf shutter lens in their current line-up? The Hasselblad system seems to be more extensive but I could use the Pentax glass with my 35mm equipment with the adapters. I could also use my Pentax flashes. Does anyone have any other comments about the two systems? I'll use if primarily for portrait work, with some nature photography and weddings when coerced. Thanks for any insight you can provide. Tom Reese
Re: Evening / night photography
http://home.earthlink.net/~kitathome/LunarLight/moonlight_gallery/technique/reciprocity.htm S Naomi van der Lippe wrote: Good morning, good evening, good day all PUGgers I urgently need constructive and practical (what to do, when to do and how to do it) advice on evening / night time photography (in- and outdoors). I only had one successful shot in the dark (and it literally was a shot in the dark, which was displayed on PUG some time back) and have never been able to recreate it. I did not have a shutter release cable then but do now. My camera is an MZ50. Thanks a lot, in advance! Naomi van der Lippe Randburg, South Africa ** Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official business of MultiChoice Africa is proprietary to the company. Any view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email, facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message. **
Re: Dynamic Range
i understand the signal is dynamic. the equipment's capabilities aren't. Herb - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Dynamic Range This is consistant with every other area of engineering wherein the words dynamic or dynamics is used. When you were studying engineering, you most likely took courses in Statics and Dynamics I still have my old texts. What was the difference? Ah, Dynamics included objects that moved (had velocity) and had other properties measured per unit time!
Re: Just curious ... Related questions
graywolf wrote: Har! That would be telling. (grin) Related questions: 1. who on the list currently has a darkroom. annsan does 2. is it a permanent darkroom, or do you have to set it up each time you use it? I just have to empty it out if I needed to use it - the enlarger and the trays are sitting there, but at the moment it reverted to a closet 3. do you do BW, or color, or both? I DID both at first. Then only BW - then... see below 4. who besides TV has junked their darkroom for digital. For the nonce, I have , in terms of printing. I still develop BW myself when shooting it. It hurts my back a lot to work in the darkroom and my eyes have a hard time adjusting. But I'm not ready to say I've given it up totally. I miss it. annsan
Re: OT: frame rates
Christian wrote: Again, please do not comment on frame rates. Please. Just marvel at the technology and more to the point the sound! Christian Sorry - I have to say SOMETHING -- I thought your thread was going to be about the cost of getting your work framed! annsan (counting her money again)
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30 Dec 2003 at 15:38, Bill Owens wrote: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's I know we've been through it before but I find the lack of functionality using older lenses a pain. The fact that there is no aperture feedback coupling and other restrictions reeks of a ploy to ensure new lens sales, no less. It can't be compared it to the Canon system, they offer so much more and are honest to their users. The transition to EOS mount was not executed in a clandestine manner. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: medium format question partially OT
Hello Tom, I can only speak as a recent owner. I found that the handling of an eye level prism made for a fast handling system. I used the 90/2.8 leaf shutter (available used) and the 165/4 leaf shutter lenses quite a bit. They are quite usable, but probably just a bit more fiddly than the hassy. You have to cock both the focal plane and leaf shutters per shot on the Pentax. As far as image quality goes, I think you would be hard pressed to see a noticeable difference between them. As to cost, you can probably get quite a bit more gear for the same price. I was very happy with mine - weddings, portraits and some scenics. Highly recommended. I had the 67II which offers multiple metering modes (spot, center, matrix), Aperture priority and manual and TTL flash - compatible with both analog and digital TTL flashes from Pentax. I found it very versatile and a joy to use. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. HTH, Bruce Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 11:23:05 AM, you wrote: TR I no longer trust my medium format Kowa equipment and it's time to TR make a change. I have to decide between Pentax 67 and Hasselblad. TR I like the leaf shutters on the Hasselblad because of the higher speed flash TR synch for daylight TR fill flash. Apparently, Pentax only has one leaf shutter lens in their TR current line-up? TR The Hasselblad system seems to be more extensive but I could use the Pentax TR glass with my 35mm TR equipment with the adapters. I could also use my Pentax flashes. TR Does anyone have any other comments about the two systems? I'll use if TR primarily for portrait work, TR with some nature photography and weddings when coerced. TR Thanks for any insight you can provide. TR Tom Reese
Re: My first photography lessons
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Do you have a camera with such a meter that you use? If so, we can go from there. Are you referring to CW metering? Yes, though it's my least preferred mode in the MZ-5n. I am also trying to use an ME Super at the mo :-) Kostas
Re: medium format question partially OT
I no longer trust my medium format Kowa equipment and it's time to make a change. I have to decide between Pentax 67 and Hasselblad. I like the leaf shutters on the Hasselblad because of the higher speed flash synch for daylight fill flash. Apparently, Pentax only has one leaf shutter lens in their current line-up? The Hasselblad system seems to be more extensive but I could use the Pentax glass with my 35mm equipment with the adapters. I could also use my Pentax flashes. Does anyone have any other comments about the two systems? I'll use if primarily for portrait work, with some nature photography and weddings when coerced. Thanks for any insight you can provide. Tom Reese Hi Tom Although i dont use my 6x7 to the extend Paul does,with flash and ladders, :-) i can attest to affordability.I put together my current system of a 6x7 MLU,metered prism, with 90 f2.8 LS and a 200 f4 for about $1200.00 Can. I really like what i have seen so far from BW negs and slides.Colour film i'm still trying to find a good happy medium.but seem to yield good results. I hand hold a lot of the time and use a monopod for most of the 200 shots.No mirror slap problems to speak of. Besides,if ex list member Brother Aaron hand holds,how can we go wrong.lol Hope that helps. Dave
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Jim Apilado wrote: I am one who eagerly wanted to get the *istD only to be disappointed that it would not offer full compatibility with older K and M lenses as my PZ1-p does. I no longer think of myself as owning any new Pentax equipment. As long as film is around, I will continue to use my current film based Pentaxes fully. Frankly, I think the way to go is Canon. Hi Jim, Let me try to understand this: you are (rightly IMHO) pissed off that the *ist-D is incompatible with a subset of your lenses. And your solution is to dump them all? I understand a (possible) stance against Pentax's sneaky idea, is this why you are suggesting it? Kostas
Magnon lenses
Hi, Does anyone have any insight into the Magnon brand? A 75-300 is coming my way as part of a bundle. The archive has nothing; neither does groups.google.com. Thanks (and all the best for 2004), Kostas
Re: Just one tip
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? Always carry the camera (and use it!). Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Magnon lenses
Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any insight into the Magnon brand? A 75-300 is coming my way as part of a bundle. The archive has nothing; neither does groups.google.com. Hi Kostas, Could it be Maginon? I've never heard of a Magnon brand, but Maginon is a brand name I know. Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: Santa dropped by ...
got a link to this guy? i just googled the name, and only got like Amazon.com etc for places to buy books about that breed of dog... tan. - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: RE: Santa dropped by ... Hi, Amita, I don't like him, either. A couple of months ago, some museum curator was on the tube, trying to explain why his work is High Art. I thought they were just dog pictures, fer gawd's sake. The photographic equivalent to velvet paintings of big-eyed puppies and clowns. But, apparently I was wrong. It's art. OTOH, what do I know? vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Santa dropped by ... Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:23:14 -0500 Babies in flowers. Babies dressed like little furry animals. Babies everywhere. At least she didn't get books by the Weimaraner guy VBG (although the shots in the puppy book are kinda cute). Amita _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Just one tip
Jeez tom, I'd never even thought of that, that opens a whole other can of worms... maybe i really should look into a monopod, cause that is just too scry... tan. - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Just one tip -Original Message- From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] More than once, I have had a kid run past me at a rodeo and trip on my tripod, knocking it to the ground, (*tanya wonders if she should invest in a monopod for such events*) complete with camera etc. I'm really paranoid about using tripods around people...worried I'll get sued when someone trips over it and cracks their skull. tv
Re: Santa dropped by ...
Hi, search for William Wegman -- Cheers, Bob Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 11:30:09 PM, you wrote: got a link to this guy? i just googled the name, and only got like Amazon.com etc for places to buy books about that breed of dog... tan.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
Ya, Rob. Pentax and Nikon have kicked their users in the shins. Canon on the other hand cut their users feet off. If you had had a bunch of FD lenses you would not have forgiven Canon yet. -- Rob Studdert wrote: On 30 Dec 2003 at 15:38, Bill Owens wrote: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's I know we've been through it before but I find the lack of functionality using older lenses a pain. The fact that there is no aperture feedback coupling and other restrictions reeks of a ploy to ensure new lens sales, no less. It can't be compared it to the Canon system, they offer so much more and are honest to their users. The transition to EOS mount was not executed in a clandestine manner. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
And didn't someone write that the Super Tak screw mount lenses were entirely workable when used stopped down to the working aperture? Bill Owens wrote: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's
Re: COMPLETELY OT, but relevant to New Year's Eve...
That sounds so cool tom! Make sure you get some pics of said birdcage... I will definitely be clubbing with #7 if I ever do get up your way, I'm not too old, hehe... Every year since we were together, with the exception of 2000, (I was pregnant for our very first New Year's Eve together!), Rusty (my hubby) and I have done the same thing. He goes out with his mates whilst I sit at home feeling sorry for myself with my kids, he comes home at some ungodly hour the next morning and I make him pay for it all day New Year's Day when he has a massive hangover by forcing him to change nappies, and allowing the kids to run around screaming the house down! vbg Tonight will be different though. Rusty injured himself at work just over a month ago (he is a welder and a diesel tank that he was welding exploded in his face), and he has only just yesterday gone back to work. SO, in light of this, money is very tight AND he has to work tomorrow, so no doubt, he will be seeing in the New Year by viewing the back of his eyelids and snoring very loudly. t I will be out in my studio shooting product shots for a website that I have been hired to do, whilst listening to the kids in town hooning in their cars and beeping horns and generally running amok to the sounds of some very drunken cries of happy new year! I might crack open a very large block of Cadbury Turkis Delight chocolate and celebrate - oh, wait, that's not really any different to any night in our house (except that I usually have to share it with the kids, but might be sneaky tonight and eat it all myself) vbg Frank, I too fell asleep on the lounge last year, at approximately 11.30pm! What party animals we are! Only difference was that I was breast-feeding my then newborn bubba! hehe... tan. - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: RE: COMPLETELY OT, but relevant to New Year's Eve... -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: only joking, of course. My New Years Eve will consist of having a few stouts, eating chips, watching TV, and falling asleep at around 11:30 (just like every other year g). For the first time in a while I have a fairly elaborate NYE planned. We've reserved a birdcage. We have a restaurant here in DC that serves asian food, and they have a giant birdcage suspended above the floor. #7, myself, and 4 friends somehow managed to reserve it, so we will be eating pad thai 20 feet off the floor. I hope I don't get seasick. #7 wants to clubbing afterwards, but the rest of us are comparatively old farts, so we'll see. Last year I carded negs. tv
RE: Just one tip
If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? Think. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Just one tip
Wow! Back in the late sixties, when I was hanging out with a lot of photogs, the general consensus was ONE keeper from a roll of 36. Maybe we were looking for different things then, hard to say. Looking at the contact sheets of some great and current photogs, as well as some from the fifties and sixties, it's interesting to note that often only two or three shots from a roll are chosen for publication or exhibition or some other useful purpose. 18 keepers per roll is darned good, imo. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: I guess this is why I still don't believe that I have a great strike rate with my photography. I am averaging probably 18 exposures per 24 roll that I consider to be keepers. When I get up to 22 keepers per roll, I'll be happy.
Re: Dynamic Range
but that doesn't stop it from being called dynamic range because variation across space is also a variation. the sensor is exposed all at once and for the same amount of time. Herb - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Dynamic Range Yes. You understand. It's like buying a 2 ton truck. It doesn't mean that when you buy it or when you drive it that it has to have a 2 ton load. It just means it has that load capability - should you choose to use it. The 2 tons is actually a property of the load.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
Well, Tanya, back when Canon went to autofocus, they intoduced a completely new mount. The new lenses would not fit on the old cameras, and the old lenses would not fit on the new cameras. Note that is NOT FIT, not NOT WORK IN ALL MODES. So the Canon SLR, maybe an F1N you had bought the previos year and the lenses you had accumulated over a decade would no longer work with Canon equipment made after that. Now, Robb, and others, are pissed at Pentax because they do not get full compatability with lenses that Pentax has not sold for over 20 years when using them on the new cameras. Any lens manufactured in the past 20 years or so works fine. All Pentax did was abandon the mechanical linkage that told the camera what f-stop the old lenses were set to. No lens since the A series was introduced (in what '84?) have used that linkage. But Pentax continued to put the linkage into all but their cheapest cameras until this past year. Of course being as I actually prefer those 20+ year old cameras and lenses, I find this whole thing silly as hell. I mean they abandoned me when they quit making the MX grin. -- Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Rob (and others have mentioned it also) said The transition to EOS mount was not executed in a clandestine manner. Just wondering what this means? Maybe, it was before my time, but I was just curious about it all... tan. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30 Dec 2003 at 19:00, graywolf wrote: Ya, Rob. Pentax and Nikon have kicked their users in the shins. Canon on the other hand cut their users feet off. If you had had a bunch of FD lenses you would not have forgiven Canon yet. At least they were up front, I could deal with that, same as Contax just did, I had Contax SLRs, I don't now. Pentax have removed lens aperture rings, disabled aperture ring operation on bodies etc and this is just over a year after the last limited lens hit the shelves and not so long after we were teased with the MZ-D. Talk about misleading. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
Yes. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? And didn't someone write that the Super Tak screw mount lenses were entirely workable when used stopped down to the working aperture? Bill Owens wrote: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's
Re: Santa dropped by ...
Bob said: search for William Wegman Thanks Bob! OH, MY GAWD that guy is the DEFINITION of commercialism, he even has dog t-shirts! (there is one with the dog in a lolita pose, supposedly sexy - SCARY STUFF!) - *eek* - not my thing AT ALL, but hey, I'll bet he's laughing all the way to the bank... and some of the ideas *are* quite clever/funny, if you go for that sort of thing, I guess... BTW, hope i haven't offended any huge fans of Weimaraners or of the man himself, I respect everyone's opinions, and don't judge for them. I mean, I understand that not everyone loves babies, fashion, pregnancy and wedding photography, (as I do) but Fashion photography for dogs, puh-lease...! tan.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
I hate to put my foot into this ring since I never had any of the old lenses but... Rob typed this: Pentax have removed lens aperture rings, disabled aperture ring operation on bodies etc and this is just over a year after the last limited lens hit the shelves and not so long after we were teased with the MZ-D. Talk about misleading. Now, I must ask, did Pentax ever SAY they were going to continue to do what they'd been doing? Did they ever say they'd keep the A rings or continue to fully support the KM lenses? I know it seems like they had a good thing going with their compatibility but did you just assume they would continue that trend? Seems to me they don't really say much of anything about their intentions and future plans. I think you misled yourself. Cory --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003
Re: COMPLETELY OT, but relevant to New Year's Eve...
I once had a manager that refused to go partying on New Year's Eve. She called it amateur night. We'll be bringing in the new year at a friends home. New Year's day dinner will be ham hocks and black eyed peas, boiled cabbage and cornbread. Bill
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30 Dec 2003 at 19:18, graywolf wrote: Now, Robb, and others, are pissed at Pentax because they do not get full compatability with lenses that Pentax has not sold for over 20 years when using them on the new cameras. Make that 2 years. The funny thing is that I suspect the reasoning surrounding dropping the aperture ring control may have partly been a function of the move to make this body as small as possible. Anyone who actually owns a *ist will well know that you have to set the lens in the A position before it's mounted, the simple reason is that there is such a small gap between the overhanging prism/rtf that even I can't get my finger in to depress the lock button :-( The stupid design of the memory card access port is probably another compromise due to the design size constraints. Unfortunately the *ist D review on luminous- landscape (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/pentax-istd.shtml) highlights these problems and others and for the first occasion I tend to agree with Mr Reichmann. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30 Dec 2003 at 19:24, Bill Owens wrote: Yes. LOL The *ist D is actually more compatible with old screw lenses than K and M lenses. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Just one tip
This one time, at band camp, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Back in the late sixties, when I was hanging out with a lot of photogs, the general consensus was ONE keeper from a roll of 36. I still go with that, sometimes 2 per roll if its a good day. For me, a roll of 36 is only 13 shots with bracketing. Of those, 1-2 is usually printable. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: Just one tip
This one time, at band camp, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you could impart just one tip to someone regarding photography, what would it be? Just thought I would pop this in Bracket! Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
screw mount lens
Shel wrote: And didn't someone write that the Super Tak screw mount lenses were entirely workable when used stopped down to the working aperture? Yes, they are. I have an ist D and use them all the time. Again, set manual focus, Aperture Priority, stop the lens down and shoot away. Works great. Larry from Prescott
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's With the greatest of respect Uncle Bill, a while back when Canon dumped on their obviously very loyal customer base, some saw it as a brave move. Canon took the bull by the horns and said right chaps, there's no way around this, we simply need to move on and get on with a new design - it paves the way for the future. It's simply no good to try and bodge with what we have already, it simply isn't going to work. At that time, it could have been the most disastrous thing that Canon could do - many thought that it was a big mistake and consumers would drift away to Nikon and Pentax and Minolta. Some did. Years on, the pain of those days has now paid dividends and Canon is where it is today. Now, I'm not defending Canon. Oddly enough, I could not give a pig's trotter what the name of the brand is on the front of the cameras that I hold. I choose them on individual merits. Hence, for shooting 35mm film, I wouldn't really consider anything else other than a Pentax MX or LX. Jostein showed me his PZ-1p and frankly I wouldn't have one as a gift. It says Pentax on the front, but that's the only thing it has in common with those manual focus stalwarts that I know and love. I haven't seen a single Pentax camera that has been built after the LX that I liked enough to want to buy. The MZ-S was a pretty little thing. I wouldn't possibly consider owning one! The MX/LX gear heavily participated in forming the way I take pics - and nothing is lost by getting ahold of an ultra-modern AF plastic camera - I still shoot aperture priority in manual focus on the D60. It's what I'm used to. Now - the *ist D. Let me tell a little secret. One of the reasons I got myself a D60 fifteen months ago, was because I had had a play with the MZ-S, and I thought to myself - if Pentax are going to base their DSLR on the MZ-S, I don't want one! I didn't like the size, the design, the feel of it. It was a decisive factor in me not waiting to see the eventual Pentax DSLR - and so I sold my LX and some lenses, and got myself a Canon. The D60 is plastic (even though it has a metal chassis) and I hate it for that - but I also fell in love with it because it allowed me access to a whole world of things that Pentax used to have, now seemingly fallen by the wayside. Along with the D60 came a lens and accessory line that - well, there's no point in going into those woods right now. Suffice it to say, that when I had a pair of MXs in the early 1980s, I only had to look in the back of Amateur Photographer and under the 'Pentax' heading (on various dealers' pages), there were a long line of lenses and accessories listed that I craved and craved. In fact, over 20 years on, in the back of AP, under the 'Pentax' heading, there's now a trickle of lenses with ridiculous zooms like 28-380mm f/5.6 - 6.3 for £169 and so on. What the hell is that ?? About as much use to me a chocolate tea pot. I want lenses that are useful and sleek and perform well. The Pentax Limiteds are the only lenses I would consider buying from Pentax today. Sure I know Pentax still make an 80-200 2.8 and a 300 2.8, but why aren't they advertised? Why don't we see them being used? Pentax today is sadly a shallow ghost of it's former glory. I'm living in the past ...until the *ist D. Came along. I was really impressed with that camera. It is nothing like the MZ-S, mercifully. It is well-built, purposeful, and sleek. It looks right and feels right. Having seen and held one, I feel slight sense of guilt - is this the camera that is going to turn around Pentax and start it back up the slope towards the peak it once shared with other mighty manufacturers? I sincerely hope so. And if it does, my sense of guilt will deepen and who knows, I might even sell off my current gear and buy back into Pentax. I'm quite happy to wait and see. Best, (sorry for the length, go easy on me - plenty of wine tonight *hic* - scrabbling for the nomex suit :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: A quick *ist D comment.
- Original Message - From: Butch Black Subject: Re: A quick *ist D comment. The Fuji Print pix we have is a dry system. No chemicals nor water like the Fuji Aladdin. It uses a special paper and UV light to create the image. It has about the color range of a dye-sub print i.e. not quite as vibrant as a good wet or ink jet print. What's the stability like? William Robb I'm not sure. I've only been at that lab a month. I think it might be somewhere near a Kodak RA-4 machine print 20 years maybe a little less. I'll see if I can find out some more info tomorrow. Butch
Re: Just one tip
Knarf, Quit yer bitching g. You should try getting 4x5 BW developed in Charlotte. $5 a negative, and they grossly under develop them for you. And here in Boone you can not have them done for love nor money. On the other hand, I have finally (today) light-proofed my bathroom and set up the darkroom in it, so now I can do it at home. I still need a print washer, and some ventilation but will make do in the mean time. Tomorrow I plan to mix up some chemicals and make some test prints. G BTW for anyone who is interested: I have been trying to find something cheap and big enough to cover the bathroom window. Then the other day I had an ah-ha experience and realized that the sashs were actually quite small and it was easy to find some cardboard laying around big enough to cover each sash separately. I taped the cardboard up with some black duct tape. Won't last long because of moisture but I will hopefully find something more permanent by then. -- frank theriault wrote: Malcolm, Quit yer bitching. You've got a *istD! You can shoot for free now. vbg Seriously, I know what you mean when you say developing ain't cheap. Last winter, when I was having (ahem) cash flow problems, I couldn't afford to bring in many of my exposed films to be developed. Now that things are slightly more comfortable, I've been able to double up on what I bring in, a new one with an old one. Still have at least 1/2 dozen from last year. It's kind of fun, getting lots of surprises - Hey, I forgot I took that one! Not a bad shot! But, that's sort of my point. You can still find HP5+ for around $3.50 Cdn a roll. You can still shoot if you're poor, and get it developed later. Or, if I chose to, I could go to any number of photo stores to get cheap print film, processing included, for under $10Cdn. I must say, I've really enjoyed all the answers to this thread (thanks for starting it, Kevin!). It would be interesting to compile it - I bet lots of tyros could benefit from the simplicity and usefulness of the exercise. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I've done just that! 5 rolls sent off for development last night. Development isn't as cheap though g. Malcolm _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
On 30 Dec 2003 at 19:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I must ask, did Pentax ever SAY they were going to continue to do what they'd been doing? Did they ever say they'd keep the A rings or continue to fully support the KM lenses? I know it seems like they had a good thing going with their compatibility but did you just assume they would continue that trend? Seems to me they don't really say much of anything about their intentions and future plans. They led us to believe the direction that they were taking but no you are right they rarely commit to anything even after they present future goods at trade shows. I think you misled yourself. I'm the idiot who continued to purchase Pentax kit (including an MZ-S) yes. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
OT- Strike Rate (was Re: Just one tip)
Yeah, but Shel, I am mainly referring to when shooting weddings etc, where you need to punch out a high volume of usable prints per roll. Having only a couple of shots per roll that you keep from a wedding is just not feasible. If referring to portraits etc, I would say that the average is higher as I generally have more control over the situation and am not trying to shoot so quickly etc. When it comes to still-life and product shots, such as flowers etc, then I would be more inclined to say hope for around 10 really good shots per roll of 24 as I am much more particular about those results... I still very much have a ways to go before I am happy with my strike rate... tan. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Just one tip Wow! Back in the late sixties, when I was hanging out with a lot of photogs, the general consensus was ONE keeper from a roll of 36. Maybe we were looking for different things then, hard to say. Looking at the contact sheets of some great and current photogs, as well as some from the fifties and sixties, it's interesting to note that often only two or three shots from a roll are chosen for publication or exhibition or some other useful purpose. 18 keepers per roll is darned good, imo. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: I guess this is why I still don't believe that I have a great strike rate with my photography. I am averaging probably 18 exposures per 24 roll that I consider to be keepers. When I get up to 22 keepers per roll, I'll be happy.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
I have to ask, maybe naively, BUT, what is the big deal about the aperture ring? Exactly what does it add to in regards to camera function, or more to the point, what does it take away when it isn't availalble? Is it only really a problem for those trying to use newer lenses with older bodies? Or is there something else in the way that they function that I don't yet know about? tan.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
No, I'm not dumping them all. I intend to keep all the lenses and use them on my film Pentaxes. These are great lenses. Jim A. From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:43:07 + (GMT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:43:09 -0500 On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Jim Apilado wrote: I am one who eagerly wanted to get the *istD only to be disappointed that it would not offer full compatibility with older K and M lenses as my PZ1-p does. I no longer think of myself as owning any new Pentax equipment. As long as film is around, I will continue to use my current film based Pentaxes fully. Frankly, I think the way to go is Canon. Hi Jim, Let me try to understand this: you are (rightly IMHO) pissed off that the *ist-D is incompatible with a subset of your lenses. And your solution is to dump them all? I understand a (possible) stance against Pentax's sneaky idea, is this why you are suggesting it? Kostas
Re: Just one tip
You were thinking of works of art, Tanya is thinking of salable pictures. There is a big difference. Any pro who does not get a salable picture with every shot except where the subject did something the photographer has no control over is not very competent. -- Shel Belinkoff wrote: Wow! Back in the late sixties, when I was hanging out with a lot of photogs, the general consensus was ONE keeper from a roll of 36. Maybe we were looking for different things then, hard to say. Looking at the contact sheets of some great and current photogs, as well as some from the fifties and sixties, it's interesting to note that often only two or three shots from a roll are chosen for publication or exhibition or some other useful purpose. 18 keepers per roll is darned good, imo. Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: I guess this is why I still don't believe that I have a great strike rate with my photography. I am averaging probably 18 exposures per 24 roll that I consider to be keepers. When I get up to 22 keepers per roll, I'll be happy. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: COMPLETELY OT, but relevant to New Year's Eve...
lol! that's funny Bill! I am the same with our annual Melbourne Cup horse race. They say it is the race that stops a nation. And everyone who is anyone bets on it - except me! I think it is just crazy to bet on such a race, with almost no chance of winning when almost all of the horses are as great as each other. Your friend's reference to NYE being amateur night strikes me as being a very similar philosophy... tan. I once had a manager that refused to go partying on New Year's Eve. She called it amateur night. We'll be bringing in the new year at a friends home. New Year's day dinner will be ham hocks and black eyed peas, boiled cabbage and cornbread. Bill
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
I have no doubt you are correct. I'm only saying that Pentax didn't totally change their mount and that they are more compatible with their older lenses than Canon. According to my Pentax rep, FWIW, there was a technical reason for dropping the aperture coupler. Bill - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? On 30/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: At least the Pentax K and M lenses are usable, granted with restrictions, on the *ist D. This is more than can be said about 20-30 year old Canon lenses on their DSLR's With the greatest of respect Uncle Bill, a while back when Canon dumped on their obviously very loyal customer base, some saw it as a brave move. Canon took the bull by the horns and said right chaps, there's no way around this, we simply need to move on and get on with a new design - it paves the way for the future. It's simply no good to try and bodge with what we have already, it simply isn't going to work. At that time, it could have been the most disastrous thing that Canon could do - many thought that it was a big mistake and consumers would drift away to Nikon and Pentax and Minolta. Some did. Years on, the pain of those days has now paid dividends and Canon is where it is today.
Re: Pentax's dSLR future?
It's those wanting to use new lenses on old bodies. Actually, when using a zoom without a constant aperture value, using the aperture ring is a real pain since the aperture changes as you zoom. Bill - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pentax's dSLR future? I have to ask, maybe naively, BUT, what is the big deal about the aperture ring? Exactly what does it add to in regards to camera function, or more to the point, what does it take away when it isn't availalble? Is it only really a problem for those trying to use newer lenses with older bodies? Or is there something else in the way that they function that I don't yet know about? tan.
