Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:28:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I appreciate that Frank spends a lot of time on this, nearly always to the benefit of those concerned. However, I felt that the post which sparked this off would not have helped or encouraged the photographer concerned, hence my question as to why Frank felt a need to say anything. John You know, I hadn't read far enough back to realize it wasn't *your* photograph. Personally, I tend to let people take care of themselves. Adults, anyway. I.E. If someone commented on doesn't like the comments, I think it's up to them to tell the commentator. Marnie aka Doe And people can always post asking for no criticism/no critiques. Well, maybe I should say anymore, add this postscript. But, what the hey, I have. :-)
Re: OT: Some lens/film/resolution considerations
Interesting, but I can't find lpmm specifications for films on the manufacturer's site. Did a google search for lpmm for site: fujifilm.com, but nothing relevant... I wonder why they don't simply publish a table with all films and their specs (resolution, latitude, saturation, etc.), so one can simply choose the right film for his needs. Attila
Re: Recommendations: Roll Film Washer
Superia 100 and T-Max 100 are both 0,14 mm thick. That makes the volume of a 36 exposure film = 3,64 cc. My estimate of 1 ml being left in the film is an over estimate, since the emulsion is very much thinner than the base. I don't think the emulsion could absorb more than it's own volume of solution at 20-38 C. Next time I process I'll weigh the film wet and see just how much weight it loses in drying. The amount of solution remaining on the reel and in the tank (not in the emulsion) is irrelevant because this is diluted and removed as soon as the water is changed. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See Extra Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Recommendations: Roll Film Washer > Hi, > > William Robb wrote: > > > For the sake of discussion, I am going to presume that all the > > retained solution is in the film, ignoring that some of the retained > > solution is actually on the reel and tank walls. I will also round my > > figures off where it suits me. > > I calculated somew time ago that a 36 exposure roll of film on the > > reel when saturated held some 30ml of solution. > > That seems like a very high figure to me. As a very rough calculation, > I make the total volume of a film to be (100x2.6x0.05)=13cc. It is > probably thinner than 0.05cm (1/2 a millimetre) but definitely no thicker. > > Do you mean the volume encompassed by the spiral of the film? > > mike >
Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too > On 1 Apr 2004 at 1:57, John Forbes wrote: > > > My view is that if you can find nothing constructive to say, it is best to say > > nothing. Your response to the dinosaur post fell into the category of nothing > > constructive (praising exposure and sharpness on a shot like that is definitely > > damning with faint praise). > > Hi John, > > Surely a critique in the plainest sense constitutes an honest critical personal > appraisal of a work be it good or bad? Whether is perceived as constructive > would likely be determined by the receptiveness of the originator of the work. > > In the case of the PAW anyone can offer a critique, if you don't wish an image > to be subjected to critique then make it plain. Frank somehow manages to find > the time to provide well considered comments on all the PAW images and I for > one appreciate his commentary terse or otherwise. Just to chime inhere with what is probably an unwelcome comment, there has been more than one occassion where an image has been posted with an invitation for critique, has recieved less than faint praise, and the person who posted the damning critique nearly drummed off the list. For myself, this has put a bit of a damper on the entire critique concept, and I will rarely critique an image from someone on this list, either publicly or privately. If you want my opinion on something, don't piss on me for not liking what I have to say. William Robb
Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
On 1 Apr 2004 at 1:57, John Forbes wrote: > My view is that if you can find nothing constructive to say, it is best to say > nothing. Your response to the dinosaur post fell into the category of nothing > constructive (praising exposure and sharpness on a shot like that is definitely > damning with faint praise). Hi John, Surely a critique in the plainest sense constitutes an honest critical personal appraisal of a work be it good or bad? Whether is perceived as constructive would likely be determined by the receptiveness of the originator of the work. In the case of the PAW anyone can offer a critique, if you don't wish an image to be subjected to critique then make it plain. Frank somehow manages to find the time to provide well considered comments on all the PAW images and I for one appreciate his commentary terse or otherwise. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
When one previews the picture in the on-camera screen, you will notice that the camera apparently loads a small image first. Then, if you keep that image in the monitor for a few seconds, it is substituted with a larger one. You can see the effect when you call up a preview of a shot with a detailed pattern such as ripples on water - after several seconds you will see a noticeable shift in the pattern when the second (presmably larger image suitable for zooming into) is loaded and substituted. Just my personal observation. > -Original Message- > From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 31-Mar-04 20:50 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource > > > > > > On 31 Mar 2004 at 22:06, William Robb wrote: > > > > > I thought RAW files were kinda fixed size. > > > > I don't know if you recall but John did mentioned a few weeks > back that they > > also include an embedded jpg file. From my experience they vary > in size from > > around 12,750kB to 14,500kB. > > Several JPEG images, actually. So far I've found a 160 x 120 thumbnail, > a 640 x 480 image that's presumably used in Photo Browser, and a full- > size (3008 x 2008) version. I *think* that's all ... > > >
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
> > On 31 Mar 2004 at 22:06, William Robb wrote: > > > I thought RAW files were kinda fixed size. > > I don't know if you recall but John did mentioned a few weeks back that they > also include an embedded jpg file. From my experience they vary in size from > around 12,750kB to 14,500kB. Several JPEG images, actually. So far I've found a 160 x 120 thumbnail, a 640 x 480 image that's presumably used in Photo Browser, and a full- size (3008 x 2008) version. I *think* that's all ...
Re: Different films, different results
Peter wrote: Now here's a question how do the button adjustments relate to Photoshop adjustments? I've had this discussion with a local photo finisher but he had no clue. I'm not sure that there is a direct correlation. I made my comments based on years of mini lab experience. Most minilabs work on percentage. A button is usually about 8% change, but this is based on the exposure the machine decides is correct. So on a very over exposed negative one button is going to add more CC's of color then a correctly exposed neg with the same 1 button. It gets more confusing when you consider that 1 button on the over exposed neg may not show as much change on the print (or monitor) as the 1 button on the normal neg. I think Photoshop is more linear. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re:PAW Dinosaur too?
John,I for one am glad that there is at leasr someone who can be counted on to give a critique good or bad.When I first joined the list I put up pics in the forlorn hope that someone would at least acknowledge my existence.The only person upon whom I could depend for a reply was you surmised correctly,Frank-the crank twirler(as in bicycles).So I would hope that Frank and others of his ilk continue to comment on all that they see.I for one appreciated it at the start.Or is it only certain listers that should receive critiques? Regards Chris Kennedy
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
On 31 Mar 2004 at 23:19, Frits Wüthrich wrote: > I just ran a test and I can NOT confirm the USB2 speed for the *ist D > connected to a PC. Nor me. I loaded a file of almost 1GB on my Ridata 52x Pro card and found the following Card read results: X-Drive II via USB2 (add on PCI Via card) 3668kB/s *ist D via USB2 (add on PCI Via card) 912kB/s *ist D via USB1.1 (embedded on m/b) 932kB/s The USB 1.1 serial data transfer speed is quoted as 12Mb/s so in each case the *ist D transfer speed is within that specification and what I would expect including serial transfer protocol overheads. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
On 31 Mar 2004 at 22:06, William Robb wrote: > I thought RAW files were kinda fixed size. I don't know if you recall but John did mentioned a few weeks back that they also include an embedded jpg file. From my experience they vary in size from around 12,750kB to 14,500kB. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
- Original Message - From: "William M Kane" Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource > The question is what speed DID you confirm? I believe that the > original article spoke of an unusually high speed for USB 1.1, but > didn't claim it was of USB 2.0 caliber . . . > > . . . so the question becomes, How many MB were the 15 RAW files? I thought RAW files were kinda fixed size. William Robb
Re: Predictions, anyone?
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone? > > I'll go along with that. > A Rebel-D competitor *announced* by end of year. Availability in the > following spring. Thats at the Ulan Bator show, right? William Robb
Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results)
if you do neglible amounts of manipulation, then 8-bit versus 16-bit isn't worth worrying about. if you need to make some adjustments, especially in the shadow areas, 16-bit mode gives you a lot more freedom to make them without getting banding from overmaniplation. bringing up the shadows a lot using the Photoshop CS Shadow/Highlight tool will really make it obvious. this is what i have been referring to as posterization in the past. the effect of using 4X sampling is harder to see but it reduces the amount of noise in the image. this will be most apparent in areas of near constant tone and in shadows if you bring up the levels to show more detail. try a bringing up the shadow detail on a few dense Velvia slides and you will see. the rule of thumb is that every doubling of sampling is equivalent to adding another bit to the signal to noise ratio. thus 4X is about the same as scanning in 16-bit mode on the Nikon and then cutting off the lower two bits to yield the 14-bit result returned by the scanner hardware. this of course gets translated into 16-bits per channel by the time it reaches Photoshop. the least significant two bits are constant across the image. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results) > Herb, what are the differences you have observed with the 14 bit scanning > and the 4X oversampling? > I was just pondering the 16 bit issue today and haven't come up with > anything yet.
Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results)
Herb, what are the differences you have observed with the 14 bit scanning and the 4X oversampling? I was just pondering the 16 bit issue today and haven't come up with anything yet. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:28 PM Subject: Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results) > Ken, i find Digital ICE saves a huge amount of time retouching. i also scan > in 14-bit/channel mode and enable 4X oversampling. i use autoexposure and > autofocus. everything else is set to default, no adjustment, position so > that i can work with the image in Photoshop. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results) > > > > Funny this should come up now, but I just got my Super Coolscan 4000 up > and > > running (after sitting in the box for over a year). The hardest part was > > installing the correct software for the operating system. I've scanned 40 > > Velvia slides and am totally happy with the results. These were all well > > exposed images, so all I am doing in the scan is auto focus, minimal crop > > and I get just great 54mb files. > >
Re: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04
Frank, for what ever the reason, I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment on this image. >"I probably can't explain it because it's pretty much abstract, but it does none-the-less >strike me as very pleasing." It might be the uniqueness of an abstract ice shot. I've not yet seen anything like it. What I'd really like is a Meisterbrau Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: RE: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04 > I don't know about all your questions, Ken. > > I do know I love it. Ice Flower II? > > Anyway, it's just gorgeous. What makes it is the backlighting. I really > can't explain why, but the composition works very well - I probably can't > explain it because it's pretty much abstract, but it does none-the-less > strike me as very pleasing. > > You are the ice meister. And, the sand meister. And rolling fields > meister... > > Another great one, Ken. > > cheers, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > >From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04 > >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:20:07 -0500 > > > >Taken @ Portage, Alaska, hand held from a tour boat to reduce vibrations. > >Any idea as to the magnification? > > > >Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? > > > >http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html > > > >Thanks in advance for taking the time. > > > >Kenneth Waller > > > > _ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >
Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04
Boris, thanks for taking the time to look and comment on this image. What might be happening here is that it was was raining and blowing very hard (rain was actually going sideways) and that might be why the sky and water have a similar bluish cast to them. My wife couldn't believe I would stand out in the weather as bad as it was. And IMHO, your wife is correct, with out the "monotone", the light would be less effective in this image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04 > Hi! > > Ken, this is very emotional picture. At least to me. > > I have one minor gripe. How to put it - the tone of the sky is too > similar to tone of water. It feels almost as if there is a blue cast > here... > > I rather like the lighthouse being put into the corner - it gives more > space to what light shines upon... > > Well, my wife tells me that the monotone character of the image is the > whole point - the light shines through the monotone... > > Well, now you have two opinions in one package... > > > > Boris > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) >
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Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results)
Ken, i find Digital ICE saves a huge amount of time retouching. i also scan in 14-bit/channel mode and enable 4X oversampling. i use autoexposure and autofocus. everything else is set to default, no adjustment, position so that i can work with the image in Photoshop. Herb - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results) > Funny this should come up now, but I just got my Super Coolscan 4000 up and > running (after sitting in the box for over a year). The hardest part was > installing the correct software for the operating system. I've scanned 40 > Velvia slides and am totally happy with the results. These were all well > exposed images, so all I am doing in the scan is auto focus, minimal crop > and I get just great 54mb files.
Re: OT Scanning images (was Different films, different results)
Funny this should come up now, but I just got my Super Coolscan 4000 up and running (after sitting in the box for over a year). The hardest part was installing the correct software for the operating system. I've scanned 40 Velvia slides and am totally happy with the results. These were all well exposed images, so all I am doing in the scan is auto focus, minimal crop and I get just great 54mb files. It can't get any easier! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Different films, different results > i've never had problems scanning color negatives on any film scanner i have > owned. slides have given some problem with Velvia a bit trickier than > Provia, but pretty easy in general on my Nikon while the Microtek i had > before that had trouble with most slides. Kodachrome is trouble on my Nikon, > but they warn that up front. B&W negatives scan pretty well on the film > scanners i have used. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: Different films, different results > > > > That's weird. I've never had any trouble scanning Velvia with either of > > my scanners (Minolta Scan Multi II and Kodak RFS3600). > > I find negatives much more problematic. In fact, I'm looking forward to > > the arrival of my *ist-D partly because, even though I will continue to > > shoot some slide film, I'll *never* use negative film again! > >
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
my Lexar Media Firewire card takes just over 3 minutes for a full 1G card. Herb - Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource > Maybe it's a stealth upgrade to newer *ist-D's - my *ist-D hooked directly > to the PC and my USB 1.1 card reader both take about 20 minutes to download > 1 gig of data. My X-Drive II takes only ~5 minutes for the same transfer > using USB 2. The card in the X-Drive reader is somewhat faster than USB 1.1 > at ~15 minutes - don't know what conectivity is in the X-Drive.
Re: Friends, Pentax and countrymen! ... (was Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production
Pentax manufactures eyeglass frames though. Herb... - Original Message - From: "John Dallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Friends, Pentax and countrymen! ... (was Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production > My spectacles are Nikon. Pentax don't seem to do spectacle glass.
Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
John, Frank, The following is somewhat out of context, but I believe it is a good point to ponder -- I've sought critiques from several Outdoor pros and the way several of them approached it was to try to point one component of the image that if improved, would elevate the photo to the next level, fulling realizing that in some images there may be may things that need improving and to point out all those thing might crush the one asking for the critique. Just my 1 cents worth Kenneth Waller Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too > Frank, > > Your terse initial response generated a rather sour (and therefore > private) reply. > > My question was not just rhetorical. I am new here, and wondered if there > was some reason why some people seem to respond to most if not all > pictures posted. Are they Judge for the Month or something? > > My view is that if you can find nothing constructive to say, it is best to > say nothing. Your response to the dinosaur post fell into the category of > nothing constructive (praising exposure and sharpness on a shot like that > is definitely damning with faint praise). > > Those who only post to praise (or to offer useful advice) will surely not > be seen as liking everything because they won't be responding to > everything. What is not said can speak as loudly as what is said. > > If somebody posts a picture, and nobody responds, I think they can assume > it wasn't a great picture (in the eyes of those who saw it)! > > I certainly don't think people just want positive feedback, but remarks > like "just leaves me cold" are neither helpful nor encouraging, and those > are surely the criteria that should apply to all well-meant criticism. > > Best wishes > > John > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:01:20 -0500, frank theriault > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John, > > > > Why would you think it's better to just say nothing? I truly don't > > understand that. > > > > The whole spirit of PAW (I think), is not only to share photos, but to > > comment on the photos of others. My personal feeling, is that I'm not > > being fair to the ones that I like, if I don't comment on the ones that > > don't move me. Otherwise, people might think, "Hell, frank's comments > > are meaningless, he likes everything!" Don't you agree there has to be > > a balance here, in order for me and my comments to have credibility? > > (such as it is ) > > > > I think that Francis (and everyone else who submits PAWs) likely > > submitted, not only because he wanted to share the image, but because he > > wanted to know what others think - that's what PAW's all about, IMHO. > > > > Francis did say, "comments welcome and very much appreciated". Did he > > really mean, "only favourable comments are welcome and appreciated"? > > I'm guessing "no". > > > > I would actually be thrilled if an avalanche of posts followed mine, > > saying (either directly or indirectly), "frank, you're wrong, this is a > > great photo; you've obviously missed something here." So far, I > > haven't seen that. But if that's what people think, great! No one > > likes every photograph, or every work of art - this is all subjective. > > I love the process of debate, and I invite anyone here to tell me I'm > > dead wrong. Not only wouldn't it bother me, I'd be quite happy! > > > > You know, I think that if I posted a PAW, and not one person commented > > on it, I'd be quite upset! I'd much rather people be honest, and tell > > me why something isn't working. I'd rather honest, well thought out > > constructive criticism much better than silence. We're all friends and > > colleagues here, for goodness sake. > > > > I'm wondering, John, why you said, "sometimes it's better to just say > > nothing". Did you think I was being scathing? I sure as heck didn't > > think so. Certainly, my post wasn't a personal attack or anything. It > > was a critique, or more properly, a comment, and a pretty balanced one > > at that! > > > > Sorry to go off so, but to be honest, you've really struck a nerve (can > > you tell? ). If you don't want to comment on what you don't like, I > > won't criticize you for it. It's your prerogative, just as it's mine to > > comment on ones that don't do much for me, for the reasons stated > > above. I'd like to think that people on this list know me well enough > > that I wouldn't personally attack anyone, and that a negative or less > > than enthusiastic comment on a photo is just that - regarding that > > particular photo. And, that it's just my opinion. What the heck is > > that worth, anyway? > > > > Anyway, now I've got that off my chest. > > > > cheers, > > frank > > > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > > > > > >> From: John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production stats
yesterday in Japan, Pentax released their quarterly report. they say they are on target to meet their target of 1.4 million digital cameras sold this year. endoscopes continue to be the cash cow while optical components have shown strong growth and will lead to higher than expected earnings. these optical components include DVD laser lenses and digital camera lenses for third parties. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production stats > They bought another company because they thought it would bring higher > returns than investing more money in camera development. No doubt they > would like to do both, but funds are always limited.
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
Maybe it's a stealth upgrade to newer *ist-D's - my *ist-D hooked directly to the PC and my USB 1.1 card reader both take about 20 minutes to download 1 gig of data. My X-Drive II takes only ~5 minutes for the same transfer using USB 2. The card in the X-Drive reader is somewhat faster than USB 1.1 at ~15 minutes - don't know what conectivity is in the X-Drive. - MCC At 07:40 AM 3/31/2004 -0500, you wrote: "Greg Lovern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >New review of the *ist D at Imaging Resource: > > http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ISTD/ISTDA.HTM > >Very positive; maybe the most positive I've read. Now *here's* an interesting excerpt from that review: "While the manual claims that the *ist D only supports the USB v1.1 interface standard, my own tests seemed to show that it's actually running at USB v2.0 speeds. I clocked its download speed at 1963 KB/second with a Lexar 24x memory card, connected to my Sony VAIO Windows XP workstation. (2.4 GHz Pentium IV processor, 512 MB of RAM.) This is quite fast: Cameras with USB v1.1 interfaces top out at a little over 600 KB/second. I've seen USB 2.0-equipped cameras move data as quickly as several MB/second, but the *ist D's download speed is faster than average, even among cameras with USB 2.0 interfaces." -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Predictions, anyone?
all ofthe current 8MP P&S cameras, including Canon's, use the same sensor from Sony with mostly the same problems, too much noise at anything other than ISO 50. Herb - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Predictions, anyone? > The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard. > Nice lens, compact design. 8mp! Modest price. > Just lacks the integerchangable lens.
RE: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
None of my business, I know, but John, I think that Frank deserves respect and credit for all of the effort he goes to to be fair and just and to comment on everyone's pics. I must admit that I tend to do exactly what you have suggested - post only when I really love something rather than offering constructive criticisms on images that I feel can be improved. There is a couple of reasons for this a) time - I am just too busy to comment on EVERYTHING posted b) I don't think I am qualified, much of the time to comment. eg, I am not "in to" landscape photography so if I see a landscape shot that I think "ho-hum", I won't comment as I am not passionate about them to begin with and don't possess alot of the technical knowledge to understand how a certain image may have been produced. However, if I see a landscape photograph that blows me away, then I will comment as it must be REALLY good to even "catch my eye". I have often thought to myself that I am a little selfish with this list and that I draw from it much more than I contribute. So if Frank seems to "offer" more than he "takes" than so be it - he can be "offering" extra for me! lol. Also, I do understand your point that if no-one comments on a photo, then the photographer can assume that it was an "average" shot, however, what is he/she going to LEARN from that? "Oooh, I'd better not post any more average shots to the PDML..." BUT, if someone posts a less than spectacular shot and people, like Frank, take the time to offer suggestions on how to improve the image, it is only going to make them think about it more in future, and even in some cases that I have seen, go out and specifically do a reshoot of the same subject taking on everyone's advice. Put it this way, I always tell my kids, "you can't learn if you don't ask", but likewise, you can't learn if nobody answers your questions either... tan. -Original Message- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too Frank, Your terse initial response generated a rather sour (and therefore private) reply. My question was not just rhetorical. I am new here, and wondered if there was some reason why some people seem to respond to most if not all pictures posted. Are they Judge for the Month or something? My view is that if you can find nothing constructive to say, it is best to say nothing. Your response to the dinosaur post fell into the category of nothing constructive (praising exposure and sharpness on a shot like that is definitely damning with faint praise). Those who only post to praise (or to offer useful advice) will surely not be seen as liking everything because they won't be responding to everything. What is not said can speak as loudly as what is said. If somebody posts a picture, and nobody responds, I think they can assume it wasn't a great picture (in the eyes of those who saw it)! I certainly don't think people just want positive feedback, but remarks like "just leaves me cold" are neither helpful nor encouraging, and those are surely the criteria that should apply to all well-meant criticism. Best wishes John On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:01:20 -0500, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > Why would you think it's better to just say nothing? I truly don't > understand that. > > The whole spirit of PAW (I think), is not only to share photos, but to > comment on the photos of others. My personal feeling, is that I'm not > being fair to the ones that I like, if I don't comment on the ones that > don't move me. Otherwise, people might think, "Hell, frank's comments > are meaningless, he likes everything!" Don't you agree there has to be > a balance here, in order for me and my comments to have credibility? > (such as it is ) > > I think that Francis (and everyone else who submits PAWs) likely > submitted, not only because he wanted to share the image, but because he > wanted to know what others think - that's what PAW's all about, IMHO. > > Francis did say, "comments welcome and very much appreciated". Did he > really mean, "only favourable comments are welcome and appreciated"? > I'm guessing "no". > > I would actually be thrilled if an avalanche of posts followed mine, > saying (either directly or indirectly), "frank, you're wrong, this is a > great photo; you've obviously missed something here." So far, I > haven't seen that. But if that's what people think, great! No one > likes every photograph, or every work of art - this is all subjective. > I love the process of debate, and I invite anyone here to tell me I'm > dead wrong. Not only wouldn't it bother me, I'd be quite happy! > > You know, I think that if I posted a PAW, and not one person commented > on it, I'd be quite upset! I'd much rather people be honest, and tell > me why something isn't working. I'd rather honest, well thought out > constructive criticism much better than s
Re: Computer Question
not in the US anymore. they typically have a recovery partition on hard drives as Tanya has and the abilty to make a set of your own CDs from that. Herb - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Computer Question > I don't know about how things are elswhere, but here, if you buy a > computer with the OS installed (from a real vendor), you have to be > given the original disk as well.
Re: Different films, different results
i've never had problems scanning color negatives on any film scanner i have owned. slides have given some problem with Velvia a bit trickier than Provia, but pretty easy in general on my Nikon while the Microtek i had before that had trouble with most slides. Kodachrome is trouble on my Nikon, but they warn that up front. B&W negatives scan pretty well on the film scanners i have used. Herb - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Different films, different results > That's weird. I've never had any trouble scanning Velvia with either of > my scanners (Minolta Scan Multi II and Kodak RFS3600). > I find negatives much more problematic. In fact, I'm looking forward to > the arrival of my *ist-D partly because, even though I will continue to > shoot some slide film, I'll *never* use negative film again!
Re: OT: Nikon CoolPix (was Predictions, anyone?)
We just bought a bunch of Nikon 5700 Coolpixs at work. I gotta tell ya for around $600 its one heck of a camera. IIR the optical range goes from 1.2 " (super macro) to 280mm (in 35mm format sense). It will do everything the 35mm slrs they replace did. It's really funny watching my fellow workers trying to come to grips with the workings of the digital. They won't read the manual and consequently are trying to convince all that will listen that the digitals won't cut it. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Predictions, anyone? > The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard. > Nice lens, compact design. 8mp! Modest price. > Just lacks the integerchangable lens. > I guess they hope to sell it to those shopping for the little Canon > (or even their cheapie) but perhaps wanting to trade interchangable > lenses for a more durable body. It's really a nice unit. > > And the istD seems to be around the $1200 price range (online). > > So what will Pentax show this Christmas? > A) Nothing, as always > B) $500 fixed-lens P&S > C) Seriously dropping the istD price to soak the Pentax buyer market > D) Other ___ > >
Re: OT: Some lens/film/resolution considerations
At 23:52 31/03/04, you wrote: film choice, rather than lens choice, is much more critical to determining camera performance! I have known this a long time. I thought it was common knowledge! ? Sung Nee
Re: Criticism - was PAW: Dinosaur, too
Frank, Your terse initial response generated a rather sour (and therefore private) reply. My question was not just rhetorical. I am new here, and wondered if there was some reason why some people seem to respond to most if not all pictures posted. Are they Judge for the Month or something? My view is that if you can find nothing constructive to say, it is best to say nothing. Your response to the dinosaur post fell into the category of nothing constructive (praising exposure and sharpness on a shot like that is definitely damning with faint praise). Those who only post to praise (or to offer useful advice) will surely not be seen as liking everything because they won't be responding to everything. What is not said can speak as loudly as what is said. If somebody posts a picture, and nobody responds, I think they can assume it wasn't a great picture (in the eyes of those who saw it)! I certainly don't think people just want positive feedback, but remarks like "just leaves me cold" are neither helpful nor encouraging, and those are surely the criteria that should apply to all well-meant criticism. Best wishes John On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:01:20 -0500, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John, Why would you think it's better to just say nothing? I truly don't understand that. The whole spirit of PAW (I think), is not only to share photos, but to comment on the photos of others. My personal feeling, is that I'm not being fair to the ones that I like, if I don't comment on the ones that don't move me. Otherwise, people might think, "Hell, frank's comments are meaningless, he likes everything!" Don't you agree there has to be a balance here, in order for me and my comments to have credibility? (such as it is ) I think that Francis (and everyone else who submits PAWs) likely submitted, not only because he wanted to share the image, but because he wanted to know what others think - that's what PAW's all about, IMHO. Francis did say, "comments welcome and very much appreciated". Did he really mean, "only favourable comments are welcome and appreciated"? I'm guessing "no". I would actually be thrilled if an avalanche of posts followed mine, saying (either directly or indirectly), "frank, you're wrong, this is a great photo; you've obviously missed something here." So far, I haven't seen that. But if that's what people think, great! No one likes every photograph, or every work of art - this is all subjective. I love the process of debate, and I invite anyone here to tell me I'm dead wrong. Not only wouldn't it bother me, I'd be quite happy! You know, I think that if I posted a PAW, and not one person commented on it, I'd be quite upset! I'd much rather people be honest, and tell me why something isn't working. I'd rather honest, well thought out constructive criticism much better than silence. We're all friends and colleagues here, for goodness sake. I'm wondering, John, why you said, "sometimes it's better to just say nothing". Did you think I was being scathing? I sure as heck didn't think so. Certainly, my post wasn't a personal attack or anything. It was a critique, or more properly, a comment, and a pretty balanced one at that! Sorry to go off so, but to be honest, you've really struck a nerve (can you tell? ). If you don't want to comment on what you don't like, I won't criticize you for it. It's your prerogative, just as it's mine to comment on ones that don't do much for me, for the reasons stated above. I'd like to think that people on this list know me well enough that I wouldn't personally attack anyone, and that a negative or less than enthusiastic comment on a photo is just that - regarding that particular photo. And, that it's just my opinion. What the heck is that worth, anyway? Anyway, now I've got that off my chest. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Dinosaur, too Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:28:47 +0100 Frank, Why do you feel you should comment on every PAW? Perhaps sometimes it is better just to say nothing. John _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: LX in Indian Red
I think Cesar has created the new trend on the list. Leather forever! (until the next new twist). Whatever happened to the guy who was selling the exotic wood grips for LX? - Original Message - From: "Cesar Matamoros II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:15 AM Subject: RE: LX in Indian Red > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:01 PM > > > >> > I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a > >> > pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this > >> leather smells > >> > great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. > >> > > >> > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm > > That is hideous! I am truly sorry. > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > > Cotty, > > Just wait until you see mine in person at GFMtn, you will sing a different > tune. > > I should be getting back to work, > > Cesar > Panama City, Florida > >
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
Which means they were moving at .92 MB/s with the USB cable connected to the camera. and 3.14 MB/s with the USB 2.0 6 in 1 reader. On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 05:49 PM, alex wetmore wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, William M Kane wrote: . . . so the question becomes, How many MB were the 15 RAW files? RAW files are 13mb. 13 * 15 = 195mb. alex
Re: PAW: Dinosaur, too
John, Why would you think it's better to just say nothing? I truly don't understand that. The whole spirit of PAW (I think), is not only to share photos, but to comment on the photos of others. My personal feeling, is that I'm not being fair to the ones that I like, if I don't comment on the ones that don't move me. Otherwise, people might think, "Hell, frank's comments are meaningless, he likes everything!" Don't you agree there has to be a balance here, in order for me and my comments to have credibility? (such as it is ) I think that Francis (and everyone else who submits PAWs) likely submitted, not only because he wanted to share the image, but because he wanted to know what others think - that's what PAW's all about, IMHO. Francis did say, "comments welcome and very much appreciated". Did he really mean, "only favourable comments are welcome and appreciated"? I'm guessing "no". I would actually be thrilled if an avalanche of posts followed mine, saying (either directly or indirectly), "frank, you're wrong, this is a great photo; you've obviously missed something here." So far, I haven't seen that. But if that's what people think, great! No one likes every photograph, or every work of art - this is all subjective. I love the process of debate, and I invite anyone here to tell me I'm dead wrong. Not only wouldn't it bother me, I'd be quite happy! You know, I think that if I posted a PAW, and not one person commented on it, I'd be quite upset! I'd much rather people be honest, and tell me why something isn't working. I'd rather honest, well thought out constructive criticism much better than silence. We're all friends and colleagues here, for goodness sake. I'm wondering, John, why you said, "sometimes it's better to just say nothing". Did you think I was being scathing? I sure as heck didn't think so. Certainly, my post wasn't a personal attack or anything. It was a critique, or more properly, a comment, and a pretty balanced one at that! Sorry to go off so, but to be honest, you've really struck a nerve (can you tell? ). If you don't want to comment on what you don't like, I won't criticize you for it. It's your prerogative, just as it's mine to comment on ones that don't do much for me, for the reasons stated above. I'd like to think that people on this list know me well enough that I wouldn't personally attack anyone, and that a negative or less than enthusiastic comment on a photo is just that - regarding that particular photo. And, that it's just my opinion. What the heck is that worth, anyway? Anyway, now I've got that off my chest. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Dinosaur, too Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:28:47 +0100 Frank, Why do you feel you should comment on every PAW? Perhaps sometimes it is better just to say nothing. John _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Computer Question
Wendy posted: > Hubby bought me a laptop for Christmas from Staples. It was a demo version so the OS had already been installed. They wanted him to cough up an extra $80 to get the OS on disk. Bloody cheek! Very true that's bloody cheek (must avoid Staples). When I bought my notebook (from CompUSA) it, too, had been the demo model and had the OS already installed ... and the disks WERE supplied. ERN
Re: Spotmatic?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (frank theriault) wrote: > Two people have said F. I'd have said SPII, for two reasons. One, I > can't see a shutter release lock (although I know it's hard to tell). > I know the F had one, but I can't remember if the SPII had one - I > think not. F has, SPII hasn't, and I can't see a lock either. > The other thing, is that the lens is obviously a Super Tak 50mm f 1.4. > Wouldn't the F be more likely to have had the model (is it an SMC, or a > Super Multi Coated? I can't remember.) with the knurled rubber > focusing ring? Doesn't help, sadly. I have a 50/1.4 "Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR" here with a metal focus ring - not missing rubber, just the earlier model that came with the metal ring - which looks exactly like a Super-Takumar at the resolution of that photo. --- John Dallman, [EMAIL PROTECTED], HTML mail is treated as probable spam.
Re: Friends, Pentax and countrymen! ... (was Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob W) wrote: > I've got artificial hearing bones in one ear (and none in the other). > Next time I see my consultant I shall have to ask him if they're Pentax. My spectacles are Nikon. Pentax don't seem to do spectacle glass. --- John Dallman, [EMAIL PROTECTED], HTML mail is treated as probable spam.
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, William M Kane wrote: > . . . so the question becomes, How many MB were the 15 RAW files? RAW files are 13mb. 13 * 15 = 195mb. alex
Re: The Elite Eight
Cory, a super capture. You couldn't ask for anything more out of an image! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PAW: The Elite Eight > Here's one of the three shots I got from yesterday's game that I liked. > Didn't get to shoot much, I was too busy with uh...work. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/93489626/129505072NzdqZn > > Cory
Re: Computer Question
William Robb wrote: >I don't know about how things are elswhere, but here, if you buy a >computer with the OS installed (from a real vendor), you have to be >given the original disk as well. > Hubby bought me a laptop for Christmas from Staples. It was a demo version so the OS had already been installed. They wanted him to cough up an extra $80 to get the OS on disk. Bloody cheek! -- wendy beard ottawa, canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
oh and the infrared and better handling. On the whole its paid for itself just from the savings on the batteries. I recommened it without reservation. Later Feroze - Original Message - From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: RE: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S > Yep. > It's just battery compartment for AA battreries. And of cource you get a > vertical realease button too. But no more fps. > Jens > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 30. marts 2004 00:05 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S > > > Hi Robert, > > Never heard that rumour before, but it dosn't work like that on my MZS+BG10. > I only get to use cheaper batteries. > > Later > Feroze > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert & Leigh Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:39 PM > Subject: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S > > > > I've read somewhere(can't find it) that the fps rate improves to about 4 > on > > an MZ-S equipped with BG10 grip and lithium batteries. Can anybody > confirm > > this with own experience > > > > TIA, > > > > Robert (Woerner Bros.) > > > > > > > > > >
Re: PAW: Dinosaur, too
Frank, Why do you feel you should comment on every PAW? Perhaps sometimes it is better just to say nothing. John On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:27:43 -0500, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I try my best to comment on each PAW, which means that, to be fair, I have to comment on ones that don't do much for me. Unfortunately, this falls into that category. Maybe it's just me (probably is), but this just seems to miss the mark somehow. Can't see it's face, which might have helped. Since the camera's horizontal, you don't quite get the feeling of great height, or of the beast looming above you. There seems no feeling of being threateaned, which might have been what you were going for. It may sound like damning with faint praise, but the exposure's good, and it's nice and sharp. Like I said, the rest just leaves me cold, though. Maybe I'm just not "getting it". Wouldn't be the first time... Sorry, Francis, but I gotta be honest. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Francis Alviar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PAW: Dinosaur, too Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:54:54 -0800 (PST) http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2248163 Comments welcome and very much appreciated. Photo taken at Cabazon, CA. Pentax ZX-5n Ilford HP5+ Pentax 28-105 Powerzoom __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
On 31 Mar 2004, Frits [ISO-8859-1] Wüthrich wrote: > I just ran a test and I can NOT confirm the USB2 speed for the *ist D > connected to a PC. > This is what I did: > I connected the *ist D with my PC by means of the Pentax supplied USB > cable, and copied all 15 RAW images that I had on the flash card to a > folder on a drive of my PC. > That took about 3 minutes and 30 seconds. > Then I removed the flash card and put it in a USB2 6 in 1 card reader, > and now using the same 15 images to copy to the same drive in another > folder, I found a time of 1 minute and 2 seconds. So the reader was 3.5 > times faster. > I have the firmware version 1.11 on my *ist D. Having a USB 2.0 port in the camera doesn't mean that the camera is going to be as fast as a USB 2.0 reader. In particular the chipset for managing the compact flash card might not be as fast as reading as a USB 2.0 reader would be. Your test shows that the camera did about 0.92mbps over the USB cable. That is faster than most USB 1.1 readers, but I think still slower than the USB 1.1 available bandwidth (1.1mbps, but I don't know how much overhead is taken up by the system). If you have a USB 1.1 hub and plug in a USB 2.0 device you should get a popup from Windows XP which tells you that it woudl be faster to use a USB 2.0 high speed port. I haven't seen this popup with my *ist D, and used to see it all the time with my DSC-F717, so I think that the camera is USB 1.1. alex
Re: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04
I have a small folder in which I save the shots that people post which really grab me. Kenneth's shots seem almost to get in there by instinct, or divine right, or something. Perhaps it's because they are consistently so very good. John On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:06:49 -0500, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know about all your questions, Ken. I do know I love it. Ice Flower II? Anyway, it's just gorgeous. What makes it is the backlighting. I really can't explain why, but the composition works very well - I probably can't explain it because it's pretty much abstract, but it does none-the-less strike me as very pleasing. You are the ice meister. And, the sand meister. And rolling fields meister... Another great one, Ken. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PAW - Portage Glacier "Macro" - Week of 3/29/04 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:20:07 -0500 Taken @ Portage, Alaska, hand held from a tour boat to reduce vibrations. Any idea as to the magnification? Comments - likes/dislikes - what would you have done differently? http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html Thanks in advance for taking the time. Kenneth Waller _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Predictions, anyone?
D) Other: I would expect a DSLR to compete with the Rebel D, as well as updated Optios, "The official camera of the internet" 8-) Bill - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Predictions, anyone? > The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard. > Nice lens, compact design. 8mp! Modest price. > Just lacks the integerchangable lens. > I guess they hope to sell it to those shopping for the little Canon > (or even their cheapie) but perhaps wanting to trade interchangable > lenses for a more durable body. It's really a nice unit. > > And the istD seems to be around the $1200 price range (online). > > So what will Pentax show this Christmas? > A) Nothing, as always > B) $500 fixed-lens P&S > C) Seriously dropping the istD price to soak the Pentax buyer market > D) Other ___ > > >
Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production stats
They bought another company because they thought it would bring higher returns than investing more money in camera development. No doubt they would like to do both, but funds are always limited. John On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:33:04 -0500, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the numbers are as quoted. Japanese manufacturers who are members of CIPA reported less than 1000 medium and large format cameras manufacturered in 2003. this includes Bronica, Mamiya, and Pentax. i don't recognize the parent company's names of any of the Japanese large format vendors to be sure all of them are counted or not. incidentally, Pentax yesterday bought the Artificial Bone manufacturing division from one of the Mitsubishi companies. i would say that Pentax thinks that they investing the right amount in camera development. otherwise, they would have not bought another company. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Pentax quotes and SLR production stats I'm not sure what these figures represent. I don't think it can be individual sales; under 1000 units sold just isn't credible. Are we, perhaps, missing a factor of 1000? Even that sounds low, but at least believable. I wonder how many Hasselblads were sold in 2003? -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Predictions, anyone?
have there been any reviews on the 8700? 8MP and a tiny sensor Seems to me, there have been problems with other cameras (noise at anything but the lowest ISO and chromatic aberrations) with this combination... I predict only more P&Ses from Pentax... Christian - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: Predictions, anyone? > The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard. > Nice lens, compact design. 8mp! Modest price. > Just lacks the integerchangable lens. > I guess they hope to sell it to those shopping for the little Canon > (or even their cheapie) but perhaps wanting to trade interchangable > lenses for a more durable body. It's really a nice unit. > > And the istD seems to be around the $1200 price range (online). > > So what will Pentax show this Christmas? > A) Nothing, as always > B) $500 fixed-lens P&S > C) Seriously dropping the istD price to soak the Pentax buyer market > D) Other ___ > >
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
I just ran a test and I can NOT confirm the USB2 speed for the *ist D connected to a PC. This is what I did: I connected the *ist D with my PC by means of the Pentax supplied USB cable, and copied all 15 RAW images that I had on the flash card to a folder on a drive of my PC. That took about 3 minutes and 30 seconds. Then I removed the flash card and put it in a USB2 6 in 1 card reader, and now using the same 15 images to copy to the same drive in another folder, I found a time of 1 minute and 2 seconds. So the reader was 3.5 times faster. I have the firmware version 1.11 on my *ist D. On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 22:26, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > On 2004-03-31, at 14:40, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > "While the manual claims that the *ist D only supports the USB v1.1 > > interface standard, my own tests seemed to show that it's actually > > running at USB v2.0 speeds. I clocked its download speed at 1963 > > KB/second with a Lexar 24x memory card, connected to my Sony VAIO > > Windows XP workstation. (2.4 GHz Pentium IV processor, 512 MB of RAM.) > > This is quite fast: Cameras with USB v1.1 interfaces top out at a > > little > > over 600 KB/second. I've seen USB 2.0-equipped cameras move data as > > quickly as several MB/second, but the *ist D's download speed is faster > > than average, even among cameras with USB 2.0 interfaces." > > That's indeed very interesting. I just bought USB 2 card for my Mac - > will try it :-) > > Best regards > Sylwek > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Do you know the way to San Jose...
John Francis wrote: [...] Hi Doug... In CA, the path for US Rt. 101 generally lies west of most of, if not all of, US Rt. 5. keith whaley Indeed it does. About 3000 miles to the west of it. And, for that matter, it lies to the west of I-5, which is probably the road you are thinking of. Probably. keith
Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
Most Nicads are 1.2 volts, not 1.5, so a 6 volt Lithium might be expected to make the motor go faster than 4 1.2 volt Nicads, which is the other way round to what you are saying. John On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:33:17 +0200, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yep. It's just battery compartment for AA battreries. And of cource you get a vertical realease button too. But no more fps. Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. marts 2004 00:05 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S Hi Robert, Never heard that rumour before, but it dosn't work like that on my MZS+BG10. I only get to use cheaper batteries. Later Feroze - Original Message - From: "Robert & Leigh Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S I've read somewhere(can't find it) that the fps rate improves to about 4 on an MZ-S equipped with BG10 grip and lithium batteries. Can anybody confirm this with own experience TIA, Robert (Woerner Bros.) -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Predictions, anyone?
The Nikon 8700 seems to set a new standard. Nice lens, compact design. 8mp! Modest price. Just lacks the integerchangable lens. I guess they hope to sell it to those shopping for the little Canon (or even their cheapie) but perhaps wanting to trade interchangable lenses for a more durable body. It's really a nice unit. And the istD seems to be around the $1200 price range (online). So what will Pentax show this Christmas? A) Nothing, as always B) $500 fixed-lens P&S C) Seriously dropping the istD price to soak the Pentax buyer market D) Other ___
Re: ONLY - Pug April is available on my website
Cheers to the Pugmeister! Many Thanks to Adelheid for using his own server until Komkon comes back up! IL Bill On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 11:47 AM, Adelheid v. K. wrote: Hi folks, since der komkon server seems to be down again I decided to put at least the April PUG on my own website. This means: Some links on this page are NOT!!! working. But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the pictures of April. I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month is available! No archives as such. So now the issue of the URL It will change each month at present it is: http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out for good. If you have complaints questions about this site please use the mailing address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The address on the page DOESN'T work!!! I hope this helps a little. Please be patient, the server connection is not as good as the one on the komkon server. Cheers Adelheid
Re: MZ-S Limited
My battery back BG-10 has lithium capability. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: "Andy Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: MZ-S Limited > I don't know whether it has been mentioned before... Also a > new grip will be on the market BG-10n with CR-v3 lithium batteries > compatibility which is lacking in BG10. > > Cheers > Andy > > > >
RE: Different films, different results
Good job, Rob. Comparing this one to the Superia, my vote goes to Velvia 100. It would have been interesting to see if it's possible to tweak the superia to produce more colour (can't do it myself right now, as I sit in a hotel lobby in London with a crappy laptop). I have only two films of experience with Velvia 100, two sample films that I got for free from my lab about a year ago. IIRC, it is a bit easier to scan than Velvia 50, but not as easy as Provia 100F. Cheers, Jostein Quoting Rob Brigham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Even as things stand you can retrieve more from the shadows on the > Velvia pic you posted - I did a quick one here: > http://www.calcot.plus.com/Pentax/AlanVevia2.jpg Not the greatest of > efforts, but really you need to get a better scan to start on. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Do you know the way to San Jose...
> > > > Doug Franklin wrote: > > > > I've never noticed a systematic numbering system for US highways. It > > seems (possibly) to simply be chronological; i.e. US 1 was first > > (approved or built?), US 66 was 66th, etc. On the interstate system, > > > > * North-South are odd numbered, starting on the west coast (5 on the > > west coast, 95 on the east coast) > > Hi Doug... > > In CA, the path for US Rt. 101 generally lies west of most of, if not > all of, US Rt. 5. > > keith whaley Indeed it does. About 3000 miles to the west of it. And, for that matter, it lies to the west of I-5, which is probably the road you are thinking of.
Re: Spotmatic?
Since the earlier Multi coated lenses had the metal focus rings it could be either. frank theriault wrote: Two people have said F. I'd have said SPII, for two reasons. One, I can't see a shutter release lock (although I know it's hard to tell). I know the F had one, but I can't remember if the SPII had one - I think not. The other thing, is that the lens is obviously a Super Tak 50mm f 1.4. Wouldn't the F be more likely to have had the model (is it an SMC, or a Super Multi Coated? I can't remember.) with the knurled rubber focusing ring? Just a couple of thoughts. One thing's for sure. With the hotshoe, it's either an F or an SPII, but I still lean toward SPII, for the reasons above. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Spotmatic? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:28:07 -0800 Hi Bob... Looks like a Spotty F to me. keith whaley Bob Blakely wrote: http://www.blm.gov/nhp/ Regards, Bob... _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
On 2004-03-31, at 14:40, Mark Roberts wrote: "While the manual claims that the *ist D only supports the USB v1.1 interface standard, my own tests seemed to show that it's actually running at USB v2.0 speeds. I clocked its download speed at 1963 KB/second with a Lexar 24x memory card, connected to my Sony VAIO Windows XP workstation. (2.4 GHz Pentium IV processor, 512 MB of RAM.) This is quite fast: Cameras with USB v1.1 interfaces top out at a little over 600 KB/second. I've seen USB 2.0-equipped cameras move data as quickly as several MB/second, but the *ist D's download speed is faster than average, even among cameras with USB 2.0 interfaces." That's indeed very interesting. I just bought USB 2 card for my Mac - will try it :-) Best regards Sylwek
RE: POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow
Steve Desjardins wrote: > One more time, complete with URL: > > http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/ Great composition, really like this one. Malcolm
Re: POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow
It's much easier to look at with the URL included. Steve Desjardins wrote: One more time, complete with URL: http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/ Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 02:41PM >>> My first try at this new aspect of our list. I was walking along the river and encountered this deer. I had my *ist D and A50 1.7 (think short tele). I was going to crop and sharpen, etc., but I am curious how others would treat this. This is straight out of the camera, just reduced in size. It's as close as I could get before it bolted .
Re: Computer Question
There are various ways to handle both eventualities. I've never had experience with a HD failure with anyone using XP. The instructions say to contact the manufacturer if such a thing happens. I expect that they will supply the OS in some form. (XP is a pain IMHO). William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling" Subject: Re: Computer Question Microsoft sees original disks as a license to pirate these days. (They've come a long way from the days when the virtually gave dos away). There are, however, times when the disk is a necessity, such as when installing a new driver or some such. I don't know about how things are elswhere, but here, if you buy a computer with the OS installed (from a real vendor), you have to be given the original disk as well. What happens when your C drive fails and you haven't got the install disc? William Robb
Re: ONLY - Pug April is available on my website
And a very nice PUG it is this month as well. Thanks Adelheid and all the others who worked on getting this for us. The webpages and photographs load quite quickly for me. On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:47, Adelheid v. K. wrote: > Hi folks, > > since der komkon server seems to be down again I decided to put at least the > April PUG on my own website. > > This means: > > Some links on this page are NOT!!! working. > But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the > pictures of April. > > I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month is available! > No archives as such. > > So now the issue of the URL > It will change each month at present it is: > http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr > > I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out for > good. > If you have complaints questions about this site please use the mailing > address: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The address on the page DOESN'T work!!! > > I hope this helps a little. > Please be patient, the server connection is not as good as the one on the > komkon server. > > Cheers > Adelheid > > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: LX in Indian Red
It would be really hard to skin a *istD since you would have to work around all of those controls. And, of course, the body has molded contours like the MZ-S. Ah, another tidbit of photographic decadence shot to hell . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/04 11:58AM >>> I m wondering when the first snake skin *istD turns up... DagT På 30. mar. 2004 kl. 18.52 skrev Peter J. Alling: > He even skinned the winder, CURSE YOU CESAR! > It does look pretty thought in a way... > > Oh no it's started to get me > > Derby Chang wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a >> pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this leather smells >> great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. >> >> http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm >> >> D >> >> > >
April PUG
I would like to be the first to say that IMO, of all the good ones, Amita Guha's 'Over the river...' is a truly great photograph. And Mark Stringer's "South Coast Sugar Mill" comes next, so to speak. Thank you! Sven
Re: POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow
One more time, complete with URL: http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardi/ Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 02:41PM >>> My first try at this new aspect of our list. I was walking along the river and encountered this deer. I had my *ist D and A50 1.7 (think short tele). I was going to crop and sharpen, etc., but I am curious how others would treat this. This is straight out of the camera, just reduced in size. It's as close as I could get before it bolted .
POW: Oh Deer, Not a Cow
My first try at this new aspect of our list. I was walking along the river and encountered this deer. I had my *ist D and A50 1.7 (think short tele). I was going to crop and sharpen, etc., but I am curious how others would treat this. This is straight out of the camera, just reduced in size. It's as close as I could get before it bolted .
Re: PAW: The Elite Eight
Should you find yourself near or in Palgrave Ontario this summer,Cory,I may need another shooter at some shows.Guaranteed no heads in front. Nice action shot.I think the heads add to the flavour of the shot . Dave > - Original Message - > From: "Boris Liberman" > > Cory, how do you catch the moment? Seriously, what is the trick here? > > > Shooting one at a time, but not afraid of burning a little data (old film > speak adapted, how do you like it?) > I'm not saying I'm not lucky with these but, I'm amazed by the amount of > shots I get that have interesting expressions or body contortions. They > mostly have something seriously wrong with them i.e. focus, framing, no ball > or chopped off heads... > > I watch what the pro photogs are watching...the ball. It's funny to watch > them all panning in unison, switching the cameras out as the ball goes up > and down the court. Runners taking their cards so they can edit the photos > while the game is going on and have them online before half-time. > It helps to know who is wired to the strobes in the rafters so you can watch > when they're shooting. It's REALLY interesting to see these guys work. > > One of the guys that I've come to know is Bob Rosato of Sports Illustrated. > He's a nice guy and he's uh...really good. > http://www.bobrosato.com > > They're using Cannons and blads. others using Nikons. I was the only Pentax > I saw all month. > > Cory > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.644 / Virus Database: 412 - Release Date: 3/26/2004 >
RE: MZ-S Limited
Nice try Andy, but there is one problem. Like all other Pentax AF cameras, the back was designed to be thick plastic. I don't see how they could turn it into a metal back (also the seal) w/o significant modification to the body itself. Certainly not typical Pentax way. :-) Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan I don't know whether it has been mentioned before... But apparently, the last of the SLR range will be out soon and it is the MZ-S Limited. It is the slightly cosmetically improved MZ-S with the previously plastic back changed to aluminium / magnesium alloy back. Also the improved button-seals just like the LX. Generally, a face-lift... Also a new grip will be on the market BG-10n with CR-v3 lithium batteries compatibility which is lacking in BG10. Only 5000 of this baby will only be produced (which I don't believe) and mainly on sale in Japan. The package will include a FA 43 limited lens (just like MZ3 limited package). Still no news on the pricing... but I expect it to be dear... Comments? _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: Computer Question
In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:07:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What happens when your C drive fails and you haven't got the install disc? William Robb -- You're up Well, you can finish that for yourself. Marnie aka Doe :-) Oh, it was rhetorical. Well, then you're up the rhetorical...
Re: Computer Question
- Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling" Subject: Re: Computer Question > Microsoft sees original disks as a license to pirate these days. > (They've come a long way from the days > when the virtually gave dos away). There are, however, times when the disk is a necessity, such as when installing a new driver or some such. I don't know about how things are elswhere, but here, if you buy a computer with the OS installed (from a real vendor), you have to be given the original disk as well. What happens when your C drive fails and you haven't got the install disc? William Robb
Re: MZ-S Limited
Is it already tomorrow (1 Apr) where you are? -- Andy Chang wrote: I don't know whether it has been mentioned before... But apparently, the last of the SLR range will be out soon and it is the MZ-S Limited. It is the slightly cosmetically improved MZ-S with the previously plastic back changed to aluminium / magnesium alloy back. Also the improved button-seals just like the LX. Generally, a face-lift... Also a new grip will be on the market BG-10n with CR-v3 lithium batteries compatibility which is lacking in BG10. Only 5000 of this baby will only be produced (which I don't believe) and mainly on sale in Japan. The package will include a FA 43 limited lens (just like MZ3 limited package). Still no news on the pricing... but I expect it to be dear... Comments? Cheers Andy -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Do you know the way to San Jose...
Doug Franklin wrote: I've never noticed a systematic numbering system for US highways. It seems (possibly) to simply be chronological; i.e. US 1 was first (approved or built?), US 66 was 66th, etc. On the interstate system, * North-South are odd numbered, starting on the west coast (5 on the west coast, 95 on the east coast) Hi Doug... In CA, the path for US Rt. 101 generally lies west of most of, if not all of, US Rt. 5. Is that because Rt. 5 was 'named' before Rt. 101? No idea. I don't know why or how you figure out the numbering system, except, as you mention, the odd numbers go north and south. The state routes seem to follow the same 'rules' for numbering. keith whaley
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RE: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S
Yep. It's just battery compartment for AA battreries. And of cource you get a vertical realease button too. But no more fps. Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. marts 2004 00:05 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S Hi Robert, Never heard that rumour before, but it dosn't work like that on my MZS+BG10. I only get to use cheaper batteries. Later Feroze - Original Message - From: "Robert & Leigh Woerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: BG 10 Grip and FPS on MZ-S > I've read somewhere(can't find it) that the fps rate improves to about 4 on > an MZ-S equipped with BG10 grip and lithium batteries. Can anybody confirm > this with own experience > > TIA, > > Robert (Woerner Bros.) > > >
Re: Computer Question
Microsoft sees original disks as a license to pirate these days. (They've come a long way from the days when the virtually gave dos away). Boros Attila wrote: Eac> Not an XP user, so just a thought. Some systems do not come with a Eac> installation Eac> disk (CD) but have the systems software on the drive. Since Tan says she does Eac> not have a system CD that may be what is on the Restore partition. You have paid the license for XP and they don't even give you a setup CD?! I couldn't imagine that even for M$ ;( Attila
Re: Ssssssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here...
I wish I'd said that... John Mullan wrote: That must have been quite a trip. US 1 runs down the east coast. - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Ssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here... when i did US 1, i took 2 days, stopping over San Luis Obispo, and that was adequate only for snapshots from the roadside. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Ssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here... Tan, the drive up the coast from LAX to San Jose has to be among the prettiest drives in all the U S of A. It's a good day's drive, that'll be even longer with time out to photograph.
RE: MZ-S Limited
I'll take one! David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -Original Message- From: Andy Chang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S Limited I don't know whether it has been mentioned before... But apparently, the last of the SLR range will be out soon and it is the MZ-S Limited. It is the slightly cosmetically improved MZ-S with the previously plastic back changed to aluminium / magnesium alloy back. Also the improved button-seals just like the LX. Generally, a face-lift... Also a new grip will be on the market BG-10n with CR-v3 lithium batteries compatibility which is lacking in BG10. Only 5000 of this baby will only be produced (which I don't believe) and mainly on sale in Japan. The package will include a FA 43 limited lens (just like MZ3 limited package). Still no news on the pricing... but I expect it to be dear... Comments? Cheers Andy
Re: Ssssssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here...
In a message dated 3/31/2004 8:58:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Realize we're talking well over 1000 miles here, of winding, western edge of the continent country roads. In some cases, CA Rt. 1 runs coincident with US Rt. 101, in other places it's west of US101, but there's always something new to see and enjoy. Take several gigabyte-sized memory cards with you, and a laptop for cleanup and such. One of the penultimate photo trips of a lifetime, if you're a scenic kind of person. keith whaley -- It's also better to drive up it, south to north, instead of down it, north to south, so you're next to land instead of next to cliffs. IMHO. Yeah, it can also be dangerous, especially in bad weather. And for anyone the least prone to car sickness it can be a bit much. So the best way is to drive it is do only a portion at a time and take breaks. One of these days I plan to revisit it too. It is an incredible drive. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Different films, different results
- Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling" Subject: Re: Different films, different results > Now here's a question how do the button adjustments relate to Photoshop > adjustments? I've had this > discussion with a local photo finisher but he had no clue. > On most machines, it is operater selectable in one of the set up menus. The labs I have run have kept the colour buttons at around a 6% increment and density closer to 10%. I will check my machines tomorrow and give you the exact numbers. I am pretty sure they are at the Noritsu default settings, and are probably pretty close to what most labs are running. William Robb
Re: Different films, different results
Now here's a question how do the button adjustments relate to Photoshop adjustments? I've had this discussion with a local photo finisher but he had no clue. Butch Black wrote: I'd like to see the superia print minus 1 button yellow and 1 button darker (mini lab) If that was a scan from the negative try darkening the mid tone in curves and bend the blue curve up slightly. then add about +10 saturation in hue saturation to see if it kicks up the cherry blossoms a bit. I found the Velvia 100F too blue especially in the shadows and a touch too contrasty. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
RE: Different films, different results
v001 better detail even the green moss on the right side of the tree -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Different films, different results So which one is preferred?? Superia 100 http://upload.pbase.com/image/27456943 Velvia 100F http://www.pbase.com/image/27320855 Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
ONLY - Pug April is available on my website
Hi folks, since der komkon server seems to be down again I decided to put at least the April PUG on my own website. This means: Some links on this page are NOT!!! working. But you have at least a link to Josteins page and you can look at the pictures of April. I don't have much space on my site, so only the current month is available! No archives as such. So now the issue of the URL It will change each month at present it is: http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr I will work out something more convenient if the komkon server stays out for good. If you have complaints questions about this site please use the mailing address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The address on the page DOESN'T work!!! I hope this helps a little. Please be patient, the server connection is not as good as the one on the komkon server. Cheers Adelheid
MZ-S Limited
I don't know whether it has been mentioned before... But apparently, the last of the SLR range will be out soon and it is the MZ-S Limited. It is the slightly cosmetically improved MZ-S with the previously plastic back changed to aluminium / magnesium alloy back. Also the improved button-seals just like the LX. Generally, a face-lift... Also a new grip will be on the market BG-10n with CR-v3 lithium batteries compatibility which is lacking in BG10. Only 5000 of this baby will only be produced (which I don't believe) and mainly on sale in Japan. The package will include a FA 43 limited lens (just like MZ3 limited package). Still no news on the pricing... but I expect it to be dear... Comments? Cheers Andy
Scenic drives in California (was Re: Ssssssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here...)
graywolf offered, on the US 1 or California SR 1 discussion (describing the coastal route from Los Angeles to San Jose): > US 101, I believe. But then I have only been in California twice, > so could be mistaken. Not the same. California SR 1 (also known as Pacific Coast Highway for the section just north of L.A.) hugs the coast. For a small part of the route between L.A. and San Francisco SR 1 is coincident with US 101, but for much of the way 101 is one or two valleys inland, so there isn't a view of the Pacific ocean. Not as far inland as Interstate 5 (the shortest route between L.A. & S.J., mind you). [Yes, the US has three distinct road numbering schemes. The main transport routes, or Interstates - limited-access highways rather like the Motorways or Autobahns; the national US highway system for major roads, and the state numbering system for anything else] I'd definitely recommend taking more than a day for the scenic route. You start off with Malibu (which has wonderful beaches; a great way to start the day is breakfast at one of the beach-front restaurants). Then on past the channel islands and Santa Barbara. At this point you lose sight of the ocean for a while, until you get to Grover City and San Luis Obispo. Fill your fuel tank here; there's only one place to fill up your car in Big Sur, and prices are routinely 50% higher than in the rest of central California. Then on to Morro Beach - another nice place for beachfront shots. A little further north is Cambria. This bills itself as an artist's community, and also has some excellent arts and crafts stores for finding nice hand-made souvenirs. Then comes San Simeon - a great example of how American press barons spend their money. It's worth taking at least one of the many different tours - you can probably find one that shows you the parts you want to see, and skips over the parts that interest you less. Also around here, at the right time of year, you can see elephant seals covering the beaches. Don't get too close. Then on through Big Sur itself. A hundred miles of almost unspoilt coastline, with some of the most picturesque seafront in the world. With 2500' mountains just a few miles from the ocean, sweeping sandy beaches, and geologically recent upheavals (courtesy of the San Andreas and other earthquake faults) leaving interesting-shaped boulders everywhere, it's a (landscape) photographer's dream. At the north end of this wonderful stretch you come to the Monterey peninsula and Carmel - another good spot for the arts. And also a very good spot for expensive designer outlets - Monterey is home to the Pebble Beach golf course (and Carmel, of course, is the community where Clint Eastwood served as mayor for a while). It's definitely worth taking the famed 17-mile drive round the pebble beach and other golf courses; these private roads are the only way to get to some of the best viewpoints. Then, just up the coast, is Santa Cruz. Very much a university town (lots of cheap restaurants, music venues, etc.), and the renowned beach boardwalk (not as good as Atlantic City, but worth a visit). Then it's either turn inland and head to San Jose, or carry on up the coast to Half Moon Bay, and on to San Francisco.
Re: Photo Software
I don't like the GIMP very much. My experience is not based on the version 2 release though, but on older versions, and only on Linux. 16 bit per colour is not supported, no colour management, awkward user interface, although one might get used to it, a lot of tools don't have a preview for the effects On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 20:01, danilo wrote: > Hi Jeff (and all of you), > have you then tryied The GIMP? > or did you choose some other software? > If you've choosed the GIMP, do you like it? Is it a valid substitute of PS > (for what you need)? > > I use it since I do not have PS (actually I do not have windows too) and I can > do everything I need in a photo-editing session, I'd like to hear your > comments as a Photoshop user... > > Anyone else is invited too > > ciao > Danilo > > > Alle 16:12, giovedì 25 marzo 2004, Jeff Geilenkirchen ha scritto: > > Hello everyone! > > > > I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to > > be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it. :-/ > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for some economical photoediting > > software as a replacement to PS since it's so expensive? Or would anyone > > know where to get PS copy at a reduced price? > > > > Thoughts & suggestions are welcome! :-) > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > Jeff > > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
OT: Do you know the way to San Jose...
Graywolf wrote: > Oh, there is a system. [...] > Interstates with odd > 100's (I-375) are spurs that do not connect back to the original, with even > 100's (I-485) they are bypasses or through routes that reconnect with the > main Interstate. Sort of. I270 does not connect back to I70; it bridges I70 and I495. The mnemonic I learned, which isn't bulletproof but seems to work pretty well in the Mid-Atlantic states at least, is: TWOxx "goes TO xx" and is thus a spur, THREExx "goes THROUGH town", FOURxx "is an alternative FOR xx" and is a beltway or bypass. Beltways I run into tend to be 4xx, 6xx, 8xx (if you've already used I495 to go around Washington, you use I695 and I895 to go around Baltimore. Boston is far enough away to use I495 again without confusion. But interestingly both Baltimore and Washington have an I395 going into town (perhaps because the Washington one starts in Virginia?). 1xx does seem to be a spur that doesn't connect back, fitting the pattern you described. I'm trying to remember where I've seen 5xx -- I know I have, but don't remember where. What you describe may be more official than what I've laid out, and my pattern may reflect a few local exceptions or borderline cases; I don't know. > State, county, and local routes may do anything. Many seem to have no rhyme > nor reason in their labeling. Some _don't_ have rhyme or reason; some states do have a pattern which may or may not make sense without having it explained. > Historically, prior to the number system US highways were named. The Lincoln > Highway was the first. That only started in 1926. Before that I guess you > had to ask a local for directions. Most of 'em are still named, aren't they? Though the numbers are so convenient that a lot of people never say or hear the names and therefore forget that the names are there. Once in a while there'll be a naming or a name change to honour somebody or other. And I do hear people (hmm ... mostly age 50+, come to think of it) giving directions using highways' names instead of route numbers. Occasionally I've seen someone have to stop and think a while to remember the number when a younger person asks, "Which route number is that?" I used to commute on the John Hanson Highway every day. In my senior year of high school I had a choice of that or Defense Highway to get to school. I meet a friend for shopping by taking Gov. Ritchie Highway. When heading to Greenbelt, my quickest route is the Gladys Noon Spellman Parkway. Crain Highway takes me to my mother's house. Traffic reports in Baltimore tell me about conditions on the Jones Falls Expressway (often abbreviated "JFX"). If I want to head towards Philadelphia, I'll hit the John F. Kennedy Memorial Highway. When I spent a lot more time cutting through DC to get to Virginia, I had many close calls on Shirley Highway. I'm young enough to think of most of these by number instead of name, but I recognize the names and am used to hearing them often, including on the radio. Admittedly names<->numbers is not a one-to-one correlation. A route can stay a single road but change names when it crosses a county line or something, and a route can designate a path that traverses several different roads. US1, for example, comes into Baltimore on Wilkens Avenue, but it turns north on Fulton Avenue while Wilkens continues on (southbound US1 at that point is Monroe Street). When Fulton crosses North Avenue, Fulton keeps going but US1 turns east on North. It finally escapes Baltimore on Belair Road. More US Highways than Interstates seem to be named, but there are a couple of Interstates among the examples I gave. Damn, I spend way too much time thinking about things like this. -- Glenn
RE: LX in Indian Red
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:09 PM >In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:58:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I´m wondering when the first snake skin *istD turns up... >DagT >På 30. mar. 2004 kl. 18.52 skrev Peter J. Alling: > He even skinned the winder, CURSE YOU CESAR! > It does look pretty thought in a way... > > Oh no it's started to get me > > Derby Chang wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a >> pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this leather smells >> great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. >> >> http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm >> >> D > Cough. Some of you guys are weird. Marnie aka Doe ;-) And I haven't even seen Caesar's snakeskin ones. Marnie, It took you this long to figure that out? For a look at the newly skinned LXen go to http://cesar_abdul.home.mindspring.com/LX_skin.html. I will soon be posting some shots of the cameras as they are now after much use. The former lurker who gave me the kits was over last weekend. She was looking over the cameras and decided that the white cobra definitely had excellent character. Much more than the grey sea snake. Possibly because there are obvious scales on the cobra that give it the proper texture... Thinking of skinning some more cameras... César Panama City, Florida
RE: LX in Indian Red
The problem is that there is no 'leatherette' to replace on the newer cameras. The *ist D has something that could be replaced on the battery grip, but that looks like that would be all... But you do have me thinking, César Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:59 AM I´m wondering when the first snake skin *istD turns up... DagT På 30. mar. 2004 kl. 18.52 skrev Peter J. Alling: > He even skinned the winder, CURSE YOU CESAR! > It does look pretty thought in a way... > > Oh no it's started to get me > > Derby Chang wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a >> pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this leather smells >> great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. >> >> http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm >> >> D
RE: LX in Indian Red
Ahhh tv, You more than anyone know that given half the chance your 645n would be skinned... #7 likes them, Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:55 AM Be strong Peter, you *know* it's wrong. tv > -Original Message- > From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:52 AM > > He even skinned the winder, CURSE YOU CESAR! > > It does look pretty thought in a way... > > Oh no it's started to get me > > Derby Chang wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a > > pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this > leather smells > > great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. > > > > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm > > > > D
RE: LX in Indian Red
Peter, Keep staring at the picture, keep staring, keep staring... And let us not forget the aroma! Taking pictures is not just pressing a button, César Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:52 AM He even skinned the winder, CURSE YOU CESAR! It does look pretty thought in a way... Oh no it's started to get me Derby Chang wrote: > > Hi all, > > I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a > pity there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this leather smells > great when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. > > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm > > D > >
RE: LX in Indian Red
-Original Message- From: Chris Brogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:17 AM On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Derby Chang wrote: > I got my venerable LX dressed up in Indian Red goat leather. Its a pity > there isn't an internet protocol for smell...this leather smells great > when you bring it up to your face to take a pic. > > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc/CameraLeather/lx_indian_red.htm Nice! You and Cesar are going to have to swap pics some day. I've thought of doing mine up in screaming hot pink vinyl and putting Barbie stickers all over it, but something's held me back... not sure why that would be. :) chris Chris, I need to put up photos of how they look now with the useage I have given them. Now, while it may not be Barbie stickers you may want to see http://groups.msn.com/CesarsPhotography/personalizedcameras.msnw?action=Show Photo&PhotoID=908 for a shot of one of my cameras with a couple of stickers on the back. The bear was given to me by a little nephew and I added the Coppertone one from some festival I was attending... A good way to identify your camera is personalize it, Cesar Panama City, Florida
Re: Do you know the way to San Jose...
Doug, California Route 1 hugs the Pacific coast. I know a US Route 1 in New England, on the Atlantic coast. I don't know about US Route numbering, probably historical. I know North-South interstates are odd numbered and East-West interstates are even numbered. This keeps the truckers with a poor sense of direction oriented... Regards, Bob S. > > Right. I would never recommend driving US 1 to someone on a tight schedule. > > In fact, I wouldn't recommend going from San Jose to LA to someone on a tight > > schedule either. Do one city or the other. > > Ummm. Isn't that California Hwy 1? I thought US 1 went up > the east > coast? > > TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Image Copyright Security (was Re: PAW: ichneumon wasp)
Hi Collin - My site is hosted by an outfit called Apollo Hosting, and they seem to do a pretty decent job. I really don't know what platform they are on, and I doubt I can put a program out there. I've never thought about setting up a permanent IP address with my cable company and just hosting my site myself - I know that the cable folks charge more for this but it might not be more than paying for ISP service and web hosting, like I do now. Haven't looked into this, but I was thinking I could set up a custom 403 error message that would just shoot a jpg over to the hot linker that would refer them to my site (after all, I _want_ traffic.) But I haven't fiddled around with that yet. - MCC At 02:15 PM 3/30/2004 -0500, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: I take it you're on a MS platform? Do you program? You might consider accessing images ONLY via a program that spits them to the end user. It takes more CPU time but does secure them. The program could also, when it sees referencing URL that's NOT either the current site, spit out an image copyright statement and a BILL for use of the image. Perhaps even a replacement image that states the developer's copyright violation. After all, you're shooting for your livelihood. Collin - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
Thanks for the compliments - I just feel I could have done better in different circumstances (the bird could have posed better for a start, and I really wanted to get some flight shots (this thing looks awesome on the wing)), but the light was failing... herb: how common are they in your area and what is their natural range? it looks moderately large. Yep it's about currawong size... ah... 40cm? Sometimes I wanted more length, sometimes a bit less... maybe the sigma 300-800mm would have done well (-: Shel Belinkoff wrote: Pretty nice, david ... I like 'em both. Let's see some more. All in good time - my *ist D isn't due to be back from the repairs for another couple of weeks at best, so I've got to pace myself with releasing pics I've got lying around (-: Marnie aka Doe: (I just finished a natural history of birds class about a month ago, and am now learning to identify birds by myself.) My method is: 1. take photos or notes 2. Find someone who can tell me what it is OR if this fails 3. Resort to bird book. Actually, I tell a lie, I did know what this particular bird was (-: David Herb... - Original Message - From: "David Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:00 AM Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses Just had to share my latest lot of birdie pics in this thread - had a visit a couple of weeks ago from a really majestic bird - called the Pacific Baza or Crested Hawk. Popped out with my camera and monopod and got some shots. http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/baza.jpg http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/baza2.jpg Taken using Tamron 500/8 mirror lens (suits my needs nicely!) and *ist D. Second one is cropped considerably, and was also at a higher ISO.
RE: Different films, different results
As things stand, yes the superia is a better overall image. However, it does lack the colour in the flowers which really endears the Velvia. I think the Velvia suffers for a number of reasons - slightly darker exposure and not enough done to the scan to retrieve shadow information. Velvia does have a tendency to block up in the shadows so the darker exposure doesn't help here, plus it can be difficult to get these areas to scan well. If you set too high a black point then you will lose a lot of Velvia detail - I tend to keep the black point set to 0 for Velvia and tweak in PS if I need to, as at least you have all the information to start with. If you can adjust the Analog gain up a fraction this can REALLY help extract the most from the dark areas too. Even as things stand you can retrieve more from the shadows on the Velvia pic you posted - I did a quick one here: http://www.calcot.plus.com/Pentax/AlanVevia2.jpg Not the greatest of efforts, but really you need to get a better scan to start on. Having said that, The velvia probably needed a little more exposure to start with and would probably never scan as well in terms of shadow anyway. I think Provia might have been better for you here! > -Original Message- > From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 30 March 2004 23:47 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Different films, different results > > > So which one is preferred?? > > Superia 100 > http://upload.pbase.com/image/27456943 > > Velvia 100F > http://www.pbase.com/image/27320855 > > Regards, > Alan Chan > http://www.pbase.com/wlachan > > _ > Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn > Premium. Get 2months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&; > DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > >
Re: PAW - birds and long lenses
how common are they in your area and what is their natural range? it looks moderately large. Herb... - Original Message - From: "David Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:00 AM Subject: Re: PAW - birds and long lenses > Just had to share my latest lot of birdie pics in this thread - had a > visit a couple of weeks ago from a really majestic bird - called the > Pacific Baza or Crested Hawk. Popped out with my camera and monopod and > got some shots. > http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/baza.jpg > http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/baza2.jpg > Taken using Tamron 500/8 mirror lens (suits my needs nicely!) and *ist > D. Second one is cropped considerably, and was also at a higher ISO.
Re: Re[2]: Computer Question
these days, that is what happens when you buy from the large mail order vendors. Herb - Original Message - From: "Boros Attila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:43 AM Subject: Re[2]: Computer Question > You have paid the license for XP and they don't even give you a setup CD?! I > couldn't imagine that even for M$ ;(
Re: Ssssssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here...
sorry, California 1. it was about 20 years ago. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Mullan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Ssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here... > That must have been quite a trip. US 1 runs down the east coast. > - Original Message - > From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: Ssh, It's beeerrry quiet around here... > > > > when i did US 1, i took 2 days, stopping over San Luis Obispo, and that > was > > adequate only for snapshots from the roadside.
New *ist D review - Imaging Resource
New review of the *ist D at Imaging Resource: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ISTD/ISTDA.HTM Very positive; maybe the most positive I've read. Greg
Re: OT: The Eggman Cometh; or Koo Koo Katchew
In a message dated 3/25/2004 3:56:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I scanned them anyway, and here they are: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386090 Please remember, they aren't intended to be serious, rather I'm hoping that they'll seen as a lighter and humourous alternative to the "serious artistes" that will no doubt be in this thing. And, of course, the quality is horrible. Today, I went to my lab, and Robert churned out QuickPrints for me, and they look really good. I took them right over to the cafe. I heard last evening that I may be in, as a photog I was chatting with had to tell Johnnie that he couldn't get the stuff done, and John replied, "No probs, a bike courier dude [that's me ] is getting some stuff ready". So, I think I'm in. I'll let you know. I think there's a prize to this, like $100 or something. Not that I care. I'm really in it for the fun (how could it be otherwise, with these photos!) Sorry to drone on, but this has consumed more time this week than it sounds like in this post, and I'm just glad to have it over. Just have to go drink that free beer next week; I've already booked Friday off work! cheers, frank --- Finally catching up with my PDML reading, frank. This was way cool. Sort of surreal. Nice way to do egg photos. You will tell us how it comes out, right? The contest, or whatever it is. Marnie aka Doe I'd be curious.
