PAW (x2)
I skipped last week as I was busy modifying my speakers. I almost skipped this week as I just finished the crossovers and was busy listening to my speakers :) I decided to save time and present some panoramas that I scanned some time ago. I bought some roll-paper for my printer last week and I intend to pick one or two pans to print really big after I've stocked up on spare ink. So on to the pictures... One I've attributed to last week: Fence http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=31-Oct-2004 And this week's one: Rocks http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=6-Nov-2004 Both of these photos were taken on the same day using an RB67 with 35mm panorama back. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
RE: Source for KA rear lens caps?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cartA=detailsQ=sku=41297is=REG Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Anyone know who stocks rear lens caps for KA? It's easy to find K caps but I'd like some that also cover the electrical contacts. Need about 10 of them.
Re: PAW (x2)
David Mann a écrit : I skipped last week as I was busy modifying my speakers. I almost skipped this week as I just finished the crossovers and was busy listening to my speakers :) There aren good speakers: http://vincent.brient.free.fr/pav_grave.htm
Re: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow
As far as I read it up it seems to be a limited production from 1995/1996 with four different colorful schemes. There is someone collecting pictures and sightings of these cars, I think he'd be grateful if you send him a sighting of one at your place and even more if you could provide a picture. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sam - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. There's one living not far from me. I always thought it was either a custom paint job (there are lots of odd and colorful cars in Berkeley) or one of those deals where the car had been smashed up and different colored body panels from the wrecking yard were used as replacements. How neat to know it's a regular, perhaps limited production, VW. Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/5/2004 10:28:52 PM Subject: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow Second, there's a VW Golf here in Toronto, Canada, with the same paint job as the one on your street. I always thought that the one here was some sort of custom job, but now I wonder. Are there others like that in Europe that you've seen? a lot. VW had an ad campaign a dozen years ago where they used this paint job to show you could order this car in lots of custom colors. I met a few people saying 'if they would make it this colorful I'd buy it', and there must been a lot more since after some time they offered the colorful version. The paint job even got a name: Polo Harlekin. It's quite common here, there used to be a fan site for it but it's down right now due to hacking or something. Sam
Re: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow
Been meaning to grab a few pics anyway ... each time I get over there with a camera there's been something preventing getting a good snap. Last time there was a big truck parked in front of the car, time before that the car wasn't there, and so on sigh When I saw your message I went over to the site to poke around. I will send him a pic once I can get a few. Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/6/2004 12:20:17 AM Subject: Re: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow As far as I read it up it seems to be a limited production from 1995/1996 with four different colorful schemes. There is someone collecting pictures and sightings of these cars, I think he'd be grateful if you send him a sighting of one at your place and even more if you could provide a picture. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sam - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. There's one living not far from me. I always thought it was either a custom paint job (there are lots of odd and colorful cars in Berkeley) or one of those deals where the car had been smashed up and different colored body panels from the wrecking yard were used as replacements. How neat to know it's a regular, perhaps limited production, VW. Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/5/2004 10:28:52 PM Subject: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow Second, there's a VW Golf here in Toronto, Canada, with the same paint job as the one on your street. I always thought that the one here was some sort of custom job, but now I wonder. Are there others like that in Europe that you've seen? a lot. VW had an ad campaign a dozen years ago where they used this paint job to show you could order this car in lots of custom colors. I met a few people saying 'if they would make it this colorful I'd buy it', and there must been a lot more since after some time they offered the colorful version. The paint job even got a name: Polo Harlekin. It's quite common here, there used to be a fan site for it but it's down right now due to hacking or something. Sam
Re: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow
From what I've been reading on his site he lost the content of the site due to a virus and not having a backup and is in the process of rebuilding it now, so I'd say he'd be happy about a picture! thanks, Sam - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Been meaning to grab a few pics anyway ... each time I get over there with a camera there's been something preventing getting a good snap. Last time there was a big truck parked in front of the car, time before that the car wasn't there, and so on sigh When I saw your message I went over to the site to poke around. I will send him a pic once I can get a few. Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/6/2004 12:20:17 AM Subject: Re: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow As far as I read it up it seems to be a limited production from 1995/1996 with four different colorful schemes. There is someone collecting pictures and sightings of these cars, I think he'd be grateful if you send him a sighting of one at your place and even more if you could provide a picture. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sam - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. There's one living not far from me. I always thought it was either a custom paint job (there are lots of odd and colorful cars in Berkeley) or one of those deals where the car had been smashed up and different colored body panels from the wrecking yard were used as replacements. How neat to know it's a regular, perhaps limited production, VW. Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/5/2004 10:28:52 PM Subject: Polo Harlekin - was Re: A fracion of a Rainbow Second, there's a VW Golf here in Toronto, Canada, with the same paint job as the one on your street. I always thought that the one here was some sort of custom job, but now I wonder. Are there others like that in Europe that you've seen? a lot. VW had an ad campaign a dozen years ago where they used this paint job to show you could order this car in lots of custom colors. I met a few people saying 'if they would make it this colorful I'd buy it', and there must been a lot more since after some time they offered the colorful version. The paint job even got a name: Polo Harlekin. It's quite common here, there used to be a fan site for it but it's down right now due to hacking or something. Sam
RE: Source for KA rear lens caps?
Thanks Alan, I checked Adorama and they didn't. Figured B+H wouldn't either, those 2 seem to be clones of each other on most small stock items. Don -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Source for KA rear lens caps? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cartA=detailsQ =sku=41297is=REG Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Anyone know who stocks rear lens caps for KA? It's easy to find K caps but I'd like some that also cover the electrical contacts. Need about 10 of them.
FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
Hi folks, I have for sale an SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (so, K-mount, but before the M-Series) very clean optically, with original caps. There is some brassing, but nothing too drastic. There is no internal dust and of course no fungus, scratches or anything. The aperture ring clicks very positively and the iris stops down snappily. There is some little play on the ring (towards the back-to-front direction, not left-to-right). It comes with the hard dedicated case, which has some light scratches. Overall a very usable lens you will not be ashamed to put on your camera, but not one for the collector. Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described. Kostas
Re: Any fireworks tonight?
On 5/11/04, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Any of our UK listers getting any fireworks photos tonight? Bonfires? C'mon Cotty, come up with something good for us! Har, my wife went to a local venue with a big display but I was too tired, and watched it from the back 'yard' anyway - it was only a quarter mile away over the fields. It was okay but I was cooking at the same time and to be honest I don't have a great visual interest in fireworks. What a wimp! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
What is J120? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described.
date bug in Optio S5i
No biggie, but I just noticed a software bug in my Optio S5i. In the Date setting, if you set the date format to dd/mm/yy, the actual date form will be mm/dd/yy (easy to check by changing the month). And similarly, if the date format is set to mm/dd/yy, the date will actually be in dd/mm/yy. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc
Re: quick tan update...
On 6/11/04, Tanya Mayer Photography, discombobulated, unleashed: i just wanted to tell you all that there is nothing to worry about. [snip] Holy cow! A couple of months fairly quiet and she storms back in with all that. That's more than happens to most of us in a lifetime! Gotta hand it to you girl. Good luck with the cycling and everything! XX Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
On 5/11/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: 1) Don't approach a dog you don't know unless it's handler is present and both seem amenable to being approached. 2) Don't ever run from a dog. 3) If a dog is tied out on a chain, there is a good enough chance that it will be dangerous to not approach it, even if it's people are close by. 4) Let sleeping dogs lie, and lying dogs sleep. 5) Don't disturb a dog at it's mealtime. 6) Cats are a little easier Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
Hi, Saturday, November 6, 2004, 7:33:14 AM, Shel wrote: LOL That's a really fascinating observation because, for me, my eye is immediately drawn to the people and the dispensers in the back, and then wanders over to the white counter and display case. I think that's because you're the photographer and have an investment of memory and emotion in the photograph. I agree with Ann's comments, and would like to add that light tones are always dominant over darker tones in a bw photograph, so if it's not the subject it will tend to pull the eye away from the subject. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
Bob W: 5) Don't disturb a dog at it's mealtime. 6) In Romania, carry a big stick. There sure are some scary dogs roaming the streets of Bucarest. And we didn't exactly got less scared of our guide's reassuring words that only quite few of them has rabies... anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
OT (and then some): Bush victory inspires Democrats to behave more like Moses
Hi, with all the heathens moving to Canada: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3987697.stm and all the God-botherers moving to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.org/ perhaps the Native Americans can have most of their country back! g -- Please note -- Cheers, Bob
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
Hi, 5) Don't disturb a dog at it's mealtime. 6) In Romania, carry a big stick. There sure are some scary dogs roaming the streets of Bucarest. And we didn't exactly got less scared of our guide's reassuring words that only quite few of them has rabies... Indeed. Even scarier for me was one day walking through a village in Maramures County to find myself being stalked at the centre of a triangle of 3 dogs, all snarling and baring their gums in a very alarming way. I was not carrying a big stick, and fully expected to be their mealtime, but some villagers heard the racket and chased the dogs away. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT (and then some): Bush victory inspires Democrats to behave more like Moses
Bob W wrote: Hi, with all the heathens moving to Canada: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3987697.stm and all the God-botherers moving to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.org/ perhaps the Native Americans can have most of their country back! g -- Please note Are there any left? Original culture ones, that is. maybe g
RE: Any fireworks tonight?
Cotty wrote: Har, my wife went to a local venue with a big display but I was too tired, and watched it from the back 'yard' anyway - it was only a quarter mile away over the fields. It was okay but I was cooking at the same time and to be honest I don't have a great visual interest in fireworks. What a wimp! HAR! The children wimped out on going to a display here. I think they were probably right as it turned quite cold and a bit foggy in places - certainly was around here, and many of the locals would have been better off delaying the display until tonight when they might have had a better view of what they let off. Not a camera event last night. Malcolm
[Fwd: Re: OT: A Leica for Cesar]
Lost in the ether, so resent. And added to. Original Message Subject: Re: OT: A Leica for Cesar Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:51:36 + From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank theriault wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=30030item=3849300682rd=1 EEEwww!!! -frank Leitz Canada? (On the back view) mike Of course! It's Maple Leaf Red!
Re: OT: A Leica for Cesar
frank theriault wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=30030item=3849300682rd=1 EEEwww!!! -frank Leitz Canada? (On the back view) mike
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
On 5/11/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: 6) In Romania, carry a big stick. Sharpened at one end as well? Don't forget the crucifix. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: quick tan update...
On 6/11/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I went to a party last week, and a girl asked for my number. She hasn't called yet... I went to a party last week and a girl asked me to leave. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
On my machine it was the symbol for pounds. Don -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K) What is J120? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for #120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described.
Re: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
His currency? British pounds I'd say. You see an J instead of the fancy pound symbol? Sam From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is J120? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described.
Re: Digital slide show - Sandisk Digital Photo Viewer
Kenneth Waller wrote: Mike, the literature states it uses NTSC PAL formats. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Digital slide show - Sandisk Digital Photo Viewer From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/11/05 Fri PM 04:03:27 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digital slide show - Sandisk Digital Photo Viewer FWIW, I just purchased 2 of the Sandisk Digital Photo Viewers from PCMall.com @ 19.98 each, including shipping. Thanks, Ken and Jens. mike
Re: quick tan update...
Hi, Best advice (other than putting in lots of miles training) is to get decent bikes that fit right. Im assuming that since partner is doing the whole distance, he's got quite a bit of experience cycling as it is, most specifically long distance cycling. It would strike me as rather foolhardy to attempt such an endeavor without such experience. I know someone who spent 6 months cycling through India - although he didn't put in that kind of mileage. There is also someone living on my street who cycled the Himalayas for several months. In both cases they decided that the start of the trip was the training for the rest of the trip. But they were committed cyclists already, so I guess that makes a difference. I went to a party last week, and a girl asked for my number. She hasn't called yet... Perhaps she only wanted it so she could avoid ringing you by accident g. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
Hi, John Francis wrote: Oddly enough, there are parts of the world that seem to manage to have an effective, efficient animal control system (rounding up strays, a shelter where abandoned animals may be turned in, etc.), enforcement of laws against animals defecating, all paid for by annual licensing a lot less than that, even for un-neutered animals. I believe the going rate around here nowadays is about $200 to get a (chipped neutered) animal from the pound, and maybe $20 or so a year thereafter. I don't know what the rate is for an un-neutered animal, except that it's much more than for a neutered one. - at least 3X. Here, the cost would be that of a new pup. The old one would be left to rot in many cases. Except that there is not even an efficient (or, indeed, any) method of collecting strays in many parts of the UK. Although other parts of the world have reputations for poor treatment of animals, here it varies from the bizarrely sentimental (a dog was recently left someone's house in the person's will) to the sort of barbarism one would expect to see in the more xenophobic rags as an example of other cultures' lack of it. Deeply depressing - or maybe it's just because winter draws nigh. mike
Re: PAW (x2)
Dave.Once again two great shots. Even though split rail fences are a favorite subject for moi,i tend to like the rocks shot a smidge better. They are both very nice to look at, but the rock one seems almost painting like. Great job Dave So on to the pictures... One I've attributed to last week: Fence http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=31-Oct-2004 And this week's one: Rocks http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=6-Nov-2004 Both of these photos were taken on the same day using an RB67 with 35mm panorama back. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Something you probably wanted to hear for a long time
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Just some minutes ago I got my dirty hands on *istD of my own. Wow! Hurray! I cannot believe it. Well, expect more news from me then... Feel free to respond ;). -- Boris And another one joins the club! Welcome, Boris. Who's left out? Frank, Shel and Ann -- and of course a certain charming defector. Anyone else? Uhhh, keith doesn't have one. Not yet anyhow. By the time _I'm_ ready, they'll have the MkII version ready, with a few more pixels... g keith
Re: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
Yes ... Shel [Original Message] From: Sam Jost [EMAIL PROTECTED] You see an J instead of the fancy pound symbol? Sam From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is J120? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described.
RE: PAW PESO - Mailbox
Colours are great,nice and sharp and good bokeh.Also looks like one of my cats to.So, what can i say,but nice shot Shel. From what i saw in the mailbox cat. of the Fair this year,its a hands down 1st place ribbon.:-) Dave Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. november 2004 15:26 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: PAW PESO - Mailbox Was sending this to my sis, thought, what the heck, I'll try posting it here. My last three never got to the list, maybe this will. It's innocuous enough ... also shows bokeh for K105/2.8 However, when viewed at a larger size, that of the final print, the bokeh seems to smooth out quite a bit. CAVEAT: Cat theme photo - don't look if you are easily offended by cats or anything to do with them. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/mailboxes/catbox.html Shel
Re: Something you probably wanted to hear for a long time
Hi, Uhhh, keith doesn't have one. Not yet anyhow. By the time _I'm_ ready, they'll have the MkII version ready, with a few more pixels... g that may take some time. Apparently the pixel harvest has failed again... -- Cheers, Bob
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
there are two definitions of dynamic range, one that is the maximum value represented in the system, determined by the number of bits, and the total brightness range, which is independent of the number of bits. you and others are using the term without specifing in advance which meaning you intend. scanner manufacturers specify the first. more bits means the maximum number you can represent is higher and so you can resolve shadow detail better. no scanner manufacturer i know of specifies the second. when Rob Studdert and i talk about dynamic range of digital cameras and you talk about the dynamic range of film, we are talking about the second. Herb - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:46 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests Greater bit depth provides greater dynamic range. That was discussed here a week or so past, and that's what I understood from the likes of John Francis and others, whose opinions and technical expertise I have come to trust Anyway, all the technical talk gives me a headache.
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
Nice shot. It looks like a fun place. I think the range of values from white to darker grays is good. Perhaps there's a wee bit of camera shake. I was looking for a focal point and couldn't really find one. Paul On Nov 5, 2004, at 10:23 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: This one's just a little experiment. I'd just gotten the 35mm lens for the Leica, and this is from the first roll of film. The shot was hand held @ 1/15 sec, film TX ... I was trying to see how far I could push the white while still preserving some decent shadow detail. This was an experiment in exposure as well as to determine a proper developing time. Rob Studdert offered some suggestions for posting large images without having an excessively large file size. I still can't match his expertise, but this image, with dimensions of 900 pixels on the long end, yielded a far smaller file than I'd been able to generate in the past. Thanks Rob! http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/dreyer2.html Shel
Re: PAW (x2)
Beautiful pictures of a beautiful country. My memories of the south island are full of huge expanses of green that rush right up to the edge of the mountains. Love that place. Thanks for sharing. On Nov 6, 2004, at 2:58 AM, David Mann wrote: I skipped last week as I was busy modifying my speakers. I almost skipped this week as I just finished the crossovers and was busy listening to my speakers :) I decided to save time and present some panoramas that I scanned some time ago. I bought some roll-paper for my printer last week and I intend to pick one or two pans to print really big after I've stocked up on spare ink. So on to the pictures... One I've attributed to last week: Fence http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=31-Oct-2004 And this week's one: Rocks http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=6-Nov-2004 Both of these photos were taken on the same day using an RB67 with 35mm panorama back. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: OT (and then some): Bush victory inspires Democrats to behave more like Moses
There are small pockets of native Americans who try to preserve their original culture. There are large pockets of native Americans who operate gambling casinos. g On Nov 6, 2004, at 5:46 AM, mike wilson wrote: Bob W wrote: Hi, with all the heathens moving to Canada: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3987697.stm and all the God-botherers moving to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.org/ perhaps the Native Americans can have most of their country back! g -- Please note Are there any left? Original culture ones, that is. maybe g
RE: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Shel Belinkoff wrote: [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described. What is J120? It was intended to look like the Pound Sterling sign :-) Actually, even in your quote above it looks like a sterling sign, I would have thought that, since you could not see it, the reply would be mangled as well. Kostas
Re: FS: SMC Pentax 24/2.8 (K)
Hi, Looking for £120 (plus postage at actual cost). As usual, you have 2 months to send it back for a full refund if there is a fault I have not described. What is J120? It was intended to look like the Pound Sterling sign :-) Actually, even in your quote above it looks like a sterling sign, I would have thought that, since you could not see it, the reply would be mangled as well. Kostas it is the same bit pattern in the original and the reply. The bit pattern is used to index a table of character symbols. In your machine and mine the element at that position contains a pound sign; in Shel's machine it contains a J. -- Cheers, Bob
Amateur Photographer 13.11.04 issue.
My copy arrived on the mat today starting with page 31 and the pages often repeat themselves. A whole batch? Anyone else? Malcolm
Opinions about 80-200 f2.8 zooms
I have been following the list for the past couple of months and have found it to be both interesting and informative about Pentax, cameras and lenses, photography in general and other subjects. As my initial foray into the list I would like to solicit opinions about 80-200 f2.8 AF zooms. Specifically I am wondering if procuring an 80-200 AF lens is worthwhile for taking pictures of my son's soccer. Currently I have a Tokina 100-300 f4 ATX (manual focus) and a Tokina 80-200 f2.8 ATX (manual focus) that I like a lot and both can take very good pictures with my *istD. However, there are times when my ability to focus is insufficient because of the quick action involved and I wondered if an AF model would be significantly better. Since all of my lenses save one (16-45 DA) are MF I have no good way to judge whether I would see a significant improvement focusing in the fast pace and questionable night lighting found at high school soccer games. So what is the opinion of people that have used both? Is it worth buying an AF lens to get improved focusing? And if it is, is there any reason not to get the Tokina 80-200 ATX Pro? Or is the Pentax 80-200 FA* superior enough to justify the added expense assuming one could be found? I have searched the archives for this information and haven't yet been able to answer my questions adequately. Thanks, Larry Cook www.cook-imaging.com http://www.cook-imaging.com
Re: Source for KA rear lens caps?
they're not always in stock. i have run them out of stock a couple of times now by buying one. Herb... - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:02 AM Subject: RE: Source for KA rear lens caps? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cartA=detailsQ=sku=41297is=REG Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Anyone know who stocks rear lens caps for KA? It's easy to find K caps but I'd like some that also cover the electrical contacts. Need about 10 of them.
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
WR Even the widest range colour film on the market today would be hard WR pressed to come up with an 11 stop dynamic range, I believe 9 stops WR is closer to the present state of the art. Huh? Such a nonsense from you? Are you just poking fun at poor JCO or do you actually believe such nonsense? Good light! fra
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
the curves are incomplete and showing no signs of flattening out before data interruptus occurs on the high end of the curve on this data sheet... -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests - Original Message - From: Frantisek Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests Huh? Such a nonsense from you? Are you just poking fun at poor JCO or do you actually believe such nonsense? Unless I have forgotten how to read a characteristic curve chart (entirely possible), Fuji lists a 9 stop range for Reala. http://fujifilm.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/bin/Sup_Reala.pdf William Robb
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
Phew! I was concerned that your monitor, or maybe mine, was way out of calibration. Thanks for the kind words. I know that there's some thought that goes into the QuikSnaps, but I don't think about it, if you know what I mean. In this case the couple is sort of an afterthought, as I'd already prepared for photographing the shop when they came in. Actually, I was a bit annoyed at first as they ruined my shot. But after they sat down (I so hoped they'd get their cone to take away) I could see that they might add something to the scene. Anyway, your comments are well received. Thanks again! Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Ann, for doing a better job of explaining the way I see the photo than I did! vbg. That's pretty much it, Shel. My eye keeps going to the left, away from the couple. It's not that they're in a dark corner, just that everything else is so bright, it feels dark in comparison. As to whether the couple is incidental, well, I almost get the feeling that they are. For me as viewer, the shop is the main character, with it's bright counter and ceiling, bold lines and angles, and the couple seem an afterthought (not to say that they are, but that's the way I as viewer feel, looking at the photo) As I said before, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just the way I perceive things is all. Interesting, though, that you say ...it's nothing more than a Quicksnap..., as if since you didn't plan the photo exquisitely, or didn't shoot of 1/2 a roll or more during the session, it isn't worth much. Sometimes, Shel, (and I say this with great affection) you've gotta loosen up, and realize that just shooting from the hip has it's value from time to time. You may think of it as a mere snapshot, but it's obvious that this is a Photograph, taken by someone who knows what they're doing. You may not think that you accomplished much with this photo, other than to test a lens and work on exposure techniques, but it's obvious to me that's far from the truth.
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
Camera shake? U Betcha! 1/15 sec without using any support can do that. Also, I'd just come into the shop after a long walk and a bit of exercise, and hadn't fully relaxed when I made the shot, which probably added to the camera shake as well. Good observation! Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice shot. It looks like a fun place. I think the range of values from white to darker grays is good. Perhaps there's a wee bit of camera shake. I was looking for a focal point and couldn't really find one. Paul
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
Shell: Greater bit depth provides greater dynamic range. greater bit depth doesn't mean anything except that you files are larger Herb: more bits means the maximum number you can represent is higher true and so you can resolve shadow detail better. not true. unless you factor in the S/N ratio, the number of bits is irrelevant for shadow detail. but, yes, no scanner manufacturere specifies that. mishka
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
I quite like the picture. I find that the composition leads me to the people initially, and then my eye starts to wander around the picture to find what else there is to look at. One thing that strikes me about it is the technical quality of the image on my monitor. The tonality is very smooth, and wide. William Robb
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
- Original Message - From: Frantisek Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests Huh? Such a nonsense from you? Are you just poking fun at poor JCO or do you actually believe such nonsense? Unless I have forgotten how to read a characteristic curve chart (entirely possible), Fuji lists a 9 stop range for Reala. http://fujifilm.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/bin/Sup_Reala.pdf William Robb
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) Indeed. Even scarier for me was one day walking through a village in Maramures County to find myself being stalked at the centre of a triangle of 3 dogs, all snarling and baring their gums in a very alarming way. I was not carrying a big stick, and fully expected to be their mealtime, but some villagers heard the racket and chased the dogs away. A friend of mine lived in Resolute Bay for a couple of years. One day he was out on the ice hunting Tarmagon when he had the distinct feeling that he was being watched. He looked over his shoulder to see a Polar Bear stalking him. William Robb
Magazines Periodicals, was:Amateur Photographer 13.11.04 issue.
Cotty wrote: On 6/11/04, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: My copy arrived on the mat today starting with page 31 and the pages often repeat themselves. A whole batch? Anyone else? Malcolm I cancelled my subscription a while ago. Being paper they're always late for news and the articles have gone down hill IMO from what they used to be. Now that's interesting, a few people I know buy AP less frequently than they used too. I will stick with it at the present as I regularly need something to read whilst out waiting in the car. I gave my subscription of Photography Monthly up well over a year ago; they recently sent me a free copy to persuade me to resubscribe, but I wasn't any more impressed than when I cancelled. I find that because I am still interested in film as well as digital my needs are not well served. Anyway, whoever allowed the run of my AP to hit the post has cost someone a fair bit of cash. Malcolm
Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick tan update...
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:01:41 -0500, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, Lisa and I have lived together long enough that we might actually be considered married under common law. In some places. Don't know about Pennsylvania. Technically, she's my Personal Pathologist and Fashion Consultant :) Common law marriage no longer exists. Marriage Statutes, which were proclaimed into law in the late 1800's in most jurisdictions, all specifically abolished Common Law marriage, so that only marriage sanctioned by the state was legal marriage. In the 60's and 70's, the term common law marriage was more or less revived as a way of saying we consider ourselves married, and act just like a married couple, but this union hasn't been sanctioned by the state. This clearly harkened back to the days prior to Marriage Statutes, when, depending on the jurisdiction, judges would ex post facto declare a marriage to be a legal one if (for instance) the couple lived together for a number of years, had a child together, etc, etc. Problem is, the rules for common law marriage varied so much from court district to court district, it was hard to know whether one was married or not. What if a couple who'd been living together for 4 years in a district where they had a three year rule, then moved to a district where there was a 5 year rule? Were they unmarried for a year? So, for national certainty, Marriage Statutes made sense. What we think of today as common law marriage, really means nothing more than we've been cohabiting for a period of time, or under such conditions that the State has said that one or both of us have acquired certain rights or responsibilities WRT monetary support or division of property should we separate. The term common law marriage is a colloquial one that currently has no basis at law. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
PESO: Swedish Deli
Shel's picture of the ice-cream parlor reminded me of this shot I took in a Sweish Delicatessan last weekend. Ya, the deli is in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood. It was shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45, f16@ 7/10ths of a second. I rested the camera on a freezer case to steady it. You can see that one customer moved during the exposure. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2842776size=lg
Re: Amateur Photographer 13.11.04 issue.
On 6/11/04, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: My copy arrived on the mat today starting with page 31 and the pages often repeat themselves. A whole batch? Anyone else? Malcolm I cancelled my subscription a while ago. Being paper they're always late for news and the articles have gone down hill IMO from what they used to be. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
Hell there are color neg films with a 4 stop exposure accuracy LATITUDE which means the range must be much more than 9 total to pull that off. JCO -Original Message- From: Frantisek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:45 AM To: William Robb Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests WR Even the widest range colour film on the market today would be hard WR pressed to come up with an 11 stop dynamic range, I believe 9 stops WR is closer to the present state of the art. Huh? Such a nonsense from you? Are you just poking fun at poor JCO or do you actually believe such nonsense? Good light! fra
For Sale Friday
FYI, Sorry meant to send this yesterday. Here's my latest camera stuff offerings. Most notable is the very rare fully coupled K mount bellows unit. http://jcoconnell.com/JCO_AUCT.HTM Later, JCO = Item Title PayPal Price Bids Time Left Pentax K mount Auto Bellows Unit - Fully Coupled, READ Fully Coupled Auto Aperture and Aperture Ring Metering $199.99 $229.99 - 8h 40m Asahi Pentax 85-210mm F4.5 SMC Takumar Zoom Lens M42 Superb Vintage Optics - Classic 70's Build Quality $51.00 7 8h 56m Asahi Pentax 105mm F2.8 SMC Takumar lens $119.99 $139.99 - 1d 11h 23m Asahi Pentax 135mm F2.5 SMC Takumar lens 6 elements! $129.99 $149.99 - 1d 11h 28m RARE Pentax Lens Hood for Takumar 35mm F2 F3.5 lens $19.99 $24.99 - 2d 12h 10m Mamiya Sekor 21mm F4 SX Lens M42 Pentax Screw $139.99 $159.99 - 3d 12h 30m Asahi Pentax 105mm F2.8 Super Takumar Lens M42 Outstanding Virtually Like New Conditon $89.99 $109.99 - 4d 12h 10m Asahi Pentax 24mm F3.5 SMC Takumar lens M42 Outstanding Virtually Like New Conditon! $169.99 $199.99 - 4d 12h 25m J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
Re: PAW - Grand Ice Cream
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:20:20 -0500, Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel, I think the problem is the white counter in sheer volume holds your eye so you don't drift naturally from left to right - and it keeps pulling you away from the couple. The center holds your attention (the end of the coutner, the forms there). The white counter is an arrow that stops mid frame, so when you are looking at it you have to make an effort to look way over on the right. ann Thank you, Ann, for doing a better job of explaining the way I see the photo than I did! vbg. That's pretty much it, Shel. My eye keeps going to the left, away from the couple. It's not that they're in a dark corner, just that everything else is so bright, it feels dark in comparision. As to whether the couple is incidental, well, I almost get the feeling that they are. For me as viewer, the shop is the main character, with it's bright counter and ceiling, bold lines and angles, and the couple seem an afterthought (not to say that they are, but that's the way I as viewer feel, looking at the photo) As I said before, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just the way I perceive things is all. Interesting, though, that you say ...it's nothing more than a Quicksnap..., as if since you didn't plan the photo exquisitely, or didn't shoot of 1/2 a roll or more during the session, it isn't worth much. Sometimes, Shel, (and I say this with great affection) you've gotta loosen up, and realize that just shooting from the hip has it's value from time to time. You may think of it as a mere snapshot, but it's obvious that this is a Photograph, taken by someone who knows what they're doing. You may not think that you accomplished much with this photo, other than to test a lens and work on exposure techniques, but it's obvious to me that's far from the truth. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
Wouldn't the theroretical SNR be infinity??? when noise = ZERO! If you mean the therotical SNR of the physical sensor than there is a noise level to deal with and the number of bits required is not irrelavant. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests no scanner or DSLR Shel's been looking at have SNRs appreciably less than the theoretical maximum at their lowest ISO. Herb... - Original Message - From: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests not true. unless you factor in the S/N ratio, the number of bits is irrelevant for shadow detail. but, yes, no scanner manufacturere specifies that.
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
no-one uses floating point nonlinear encoding in a digital camera. Herb - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests Herb: more bits means the maximum number you can represent is higher true Not necessarily true, depends on the format, numbering, or scaling system used to encode the bits.
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
I am not talking floating point. digital camera sensors have same output voltages feeding 12 bit output A/Ds as they feeding 8 bit output A/Ds. There is SCALING involved and the the advantage in using 12 bit vs. 8 bit is NOT a higher recorded signal level, it is finer gray scale and smaller step size. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests no-one uses floating point nonlinear encoding in a digital camera. Herb - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests Herb: more bits means the maximum number you can represent is higher true Not necessarily true, depends on the format, numbering, or scaling system used to encode the bits.
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
Youre still not clear, what is the theorethical maximum SNR of a DSLR/SCANNER at lowest ISO mean according to you? Use said theoretical which usually does involve mathematics and abstraction and is exactly what you were comparing the real hardware against! JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests why isn't it clear we are talking about real pieces of hardware and not some mathematical abstraction? i've spent a lot of time doing the mathematics of information theory and i know the difference between a noisy channel and an ideal channel. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests You posted no scanner or DSLR Shel's been looking at have SNRs appreciably less than the theoretical maximum at their lowest ISO. Maybe I misunderstood you, What exactly did you mean by that if you think I somehow twisted it into meaning something else??
Re: Cape Cod trip
On 6/11/04, Amita Guha, discombobulated, unleashed: My cousin is getting married on Cape Cod next Saturday, so we're going up a few days in advance to do some sightseeing. I went there for a couple of weeks as a kid, so I have an idea of what it's like out there. We're planning on hitting some lighthouses and some nature trails, and I'm hoping to do some star trail shots and some nice sunsets. We're staying in Orleans, and we'll definitely be visiting Provincetown, the Cape Cod National Seashore, etc. Is there anything or place in particular I should make a special effort to shoot? That sounds excellent - one of the places I've always wanted to go. I love the sea, and anything to do with it. I'd be hanging around a harbour - all those fishing boats and whatnot. Love it. have a good trip Amita. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
you are the only one that inferred that. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests By saying it the way you did it infers that 12 bit output A/Ds are recording higher sensor signal/light levels than 8 bit ones do and they don't. The 12 bits is SCALED DOWNWARD.
Re: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
Bah. Try this: http://rotfl.pl/img.php?nigerians2.jpg Bob W wrote: Indeed. Even scarier for me was one day walking through a village in Maramures County to find myself being stalked at the centre of a triangle of 3 dogs, all snarling and baring their gums in a very alarming way. I was not carrying a big stick, and fully expected to be their mealtime, but some villagers heard the racket and chased the dogs away.
Cape Cod trip
My cousin is getting married on Cape Cod next Saturday, so we're going up a few days in advance to do some sightseeing. I went there for a couple of weeks as a kid, so I have an idea of what it's like out there. We're planning on hitting some lighthouses and some nature trails, and I'm hoping to do some star trail shots and some nice sunsets. We're staying in Orleans, and we'll definitely be visiting Provincetown, the Cape Cod National Seashore, etc. Is there anything or place in particular I should make a special effort to shoot? Thanks, Amita
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
why isn't it clear we are talking about real pieces of hardware and not some mathematical abstraction? i've spent a lot of time doing the mathematics of information theory and i know the difference between a noisy channel and an ideal channel. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests You posted no scanner or DSLR Shel's been looking at have SNRs appreciably less than the theoretical maximum at their lowest ISO. Maybe I misunderstood you, What exactly did you mean by that if you think I somehow twisted it into meaning something else??
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
no I am just the only one who bothered to reply JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests you are the only one that inferred that. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests By saying it the way you did it infers that 12 bit output A/Ds are recording higher sensor signal/light levels than 8 bit ones do and they don't. The 12 bits is SCALED DOWNWARD.
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
You posted no scanner or DSLR Shel's been looking at have SNRs appreciably less than the theoretical maximum at their lowest ISO. Maybe I misunderstood you, What exactly did you mean by that if you think I somehow twisted it into meaning something else?? Curious, JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests JCO, you take any statement and twist it so that it opposes or is wrong from any point of view you believe in. how you can live in such paranoia is beyond me. we are talking about implemented hardware and that imposes lots of assumptions that i am not going to enumerate every time. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests Wouldn't the theroretical SNR be infinity??? when noise = ZERO! If you mean the therotical SNR of the physical sensor than there is a noise level to deal with and the number of bits required is not irrelavant.
RE: USAF target and resolution tests
no it's not a really higher number being represented in binary just because there are more bits. There is a SCALING factor being used. Assume a sensor pixel puts out 5VDC at clipping the A/D full scale input level is 5VDC volts. So pure white with 12 bit output is FFF and 8 bit output is FF but they are both representing SAME quantity being measured ( 5VDC pure white light) not a higher number. By saying it the way you did it infers that 12 bit output A/Ds are recording higher sensor signal/light levels than 8 bit ones do and they don't. The 12 bits is SCALED DOWNWARD. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: USAF target and resolution tests who said that was an advantage or a disadvantage? is the maximum number represented in 12 bits higher than 8 bits or not? Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests I am not talking floating point. digital camera sensors have same output voltages feeding 12 bit output A/Ds as they feeding 8 bit output A/Ds. There is SCALING involved and the the advantage in using 12 bit vs. 8 bit is NOT a higher recorded signal level, it is finer gray scale and smaller step size.
Pentax marketing strikes again...
Hi, on Pentax Europe's medical site: PENTAX for your precious moments PENTAX as one of the leading companies in the field of flexible endoscopy offers an extraordinary wide product range Ouch! ;-) Good light! fra
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
who said that was an advantage or a disadvantage? is the maximum number represented in 12 bits higher than 8 bits or not? Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests I am not talking floating point. digital camera sensors have same output voltages feeding 12 bit output A/Ds as they feeding 8 bit output A/Ds. There is SCALING involved and the the advantage in using 12 bit vs. 8 bit is NOT a higher recorded signal level, it is finer gray scale and smaller step size.
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
i said the number is bigger, not the signal level. you're just so focused on finding ways to argue with people you can't even take time to understand what they say. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests I am not talking floating point. digital camera sensors have same output voltages feeding 12 bit output A/Ds as they feeding 8 bit output A/Ds. There is SCALING involved and the the advantage in using 12 bit vs. 8 bit is NOT a higher recorded signal level, it is finer gray scale and smaller step size.
Re: USAF target and resolution tests
JCO, you take any statement and twist it so that it opposes or is wrong from any point of view you believe in. how you can live in such paranoia is beyond me. we are talking about implemented hardware and that imposes lots of assumptions that i am not going to enumerate every time. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: USAF target and resolution tests Wouldn't the theroretical SNR be infinity??? when noise = ZERO! If you mean the therotical SNR of the physical sensor than there is a noise level to deal with and the number of bits required is not irrelavant.
Re: Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick tan update...
Is that in all of North America, Frank? keith frank theriault wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:01:41 -0500, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, Lisa and I have lived together long enough that we might actually be considered married under common law. In some places. Don't know about Pennsylvania. Technically, she's my Personal Pathologist and Fashion Consultant :) Common law marriage no longer exists. Marriage Statutes, which were proclaimed into law in the late 1800's in most jurisdictions, all specifically abolished Common Law marriage, so that only marriage sanctioned by the state was legal marriage. In the 60's and 70's, the term common law marriage was more or less revived as a way of saying we consider ourselves married, and act just like a married couple, but this union hasn't been sanctioned by the state. This clearly harkened back to the days prior to Marriage Statutes, when, depending on the jurisdiction, judges would ex post facto declare a marriage to be a legal one if (for instance) the couple lived together for a number of years, had a child together, etc, etc. Problem is, the rules for common law marriage varied so much from court district to court district, it was hard to know whether one was married or not. What if a couple who'd been living together for 4 years in a district where they had a three year rule, then moved to a district where there was a 5 year rule? Were they unmarried for a year? So, for national certainty, Marriage Statutes made sense. What we think of today as common law marriage, really means nothing more than we've been cohabiting for a period of time, or under such conditions that the State has said that one or both of us have acquired certain rights or responsibilities WRT monetary support or division of property should we separate. The term common law marriage is a colloquial one that currently has no basis at law. cheers, frank
First *istD question/confusion
Hi! I've shot today some 20 frames. Some of the frames feature the same kind of issue that makes me a bit worried. If certain area of the picture is just uniform background, there would be a 25x25 pixels area that looks like very big film grain. It looks like a spot you know - one that begs to be healed/cloned out. Is this normal? -- Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Colwell's SPLOSdb ranking
You maybe know Jim Colwell's SMC Pentax lenses and other stuff database. Would, you generally support his rankings? The FA* 24/2 AL [IF] for instance is ranked (!), = excellent. Reading the comments on Stan's site one can, however, also read things like: The FA 24 f2.0 lens is a good performer...although not quite as exceptional as the 28 FA. Wide open it is quite soft and a bit susceptible to image degredation due to flair, but in the right type of light it can give an acceptable small print And at photographyreview: Not particular sharp, especially at wide opened. Peter, Sweden
Re: First *istD question/confusion
On 6/11/04, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Hi! I've shot today some 20 frames. Some of the frames feature the same kind of issue that makes me a bit worried. If certain area of the picture is just uniform background, there would be a 25x25 pixels area that looks like very big film grain. It looks like a spot you know - one that begs to be healed/cloned out. Is this normal? Congratulations Boris. You have a dust spec on the sensor. Follow the instructions for removing dust. Welcome to the digital world ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick tan update...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:19:11 -0800, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that in all of North America, Frank? AFAIK, it's every country that derives their legal system from the English system (ie: Common Law countries - ironically). g So, pretty much Canada, the US, Britain and most, if not all the former colonies of Britain. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
OT: Drat! Just missed it
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RE: Drat! Just missed it
Jeez, did ya see the hit counter? 238251!!! Don -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Drat! Just missed it Would have been fun trying to prove them wrong http://cgi1.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnterpartner= 03loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Eco%2Euk%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edl l%3FViewItem%26item%3D5530699633%26category%3D2979%26ssPageName%3D ADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUK%3A1
Re: Cape Cod trip
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:28:24 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My cousin is getting married on Cape Cod next Saturday, so we're going up a few days in advance to do some sightseeing. I went there for a couple of weeks as a kid, so I have an idea of what it's like out there. We're planning on hitting some lighthouses and some nature trails, and I'm hoping to do some star trail shots and some nice sunsets. We're staying in Orleans, and we'll definitely be visiting Provincetown, the Cape Cod National Seashore, etc. Is there anything or place in particular I should make a special effort to shoot? Thanks, Amita I honeymooned in the Cape of Cods (as Radar once called it on MASH). We stayed in Wellfleet, which is 1/2 way between Provincetown and Hyannis. At the time (some 25 years ago), it was pretty much unsullied by malls, motels and the like. In fact, as one of the last such unspoiled spots, they wisely passed a bylaw several years prior to our arrival that there would be no new development, and that any new buildings on already occupied lots had to adhere to strict architectural guidelines. IIRC, Martha's Vineyard has a similar bylaw to preserve local culture. There are a few nice commercial art galleries and antique shops, but it's not nearly so blatantly commercial as, say, Provincetown. Wellfleet's at or near the narrowest part of the Cape, and it's only a mile or two from the Atlantic to the western shore. Some amazing sunsets on the western shore (a rarity on the East Coast), and the National Seashore, with it's huge sand cliffs is on the Atlantic side. If you decide to go, I'd be interested to hear if it's changed much in 25 years... No matter where you go on Cape Cod, I'm sure you'll enjoy it - lots of photo ops at every turn. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: Drat! Just missed it
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:43:25 +, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would have been fun trying to prove them wrong http://cgi1.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnterpartner=03loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Eco%2Euk%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D5530699633%26category%3D2979%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUK%3A1 When I was a kid, I thought the Vulcan was the coolest looking bomber ever. Who'da thunk I'd have a chance to buy one? All that would have been missing would be the money! vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Pentax marketing strikes again...
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:21:05 +0100, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, on Pentax Europe's medical site: PENTAX for your precious moments PENTAX as one of the leading companies in the field of flexible endoscopy offers an extraordinary wide product range Ouch! ;-) Thanks, fra. We haven't had a Pentax makes long snakey things that penetrate our bodily orifices post for a while. I needed that... vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO: Swedish Deli
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:30:56 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel's picture of the ice-cream parlor reminded me of this shot I took in a Sweish Delicatessan last weekend. Ya, the deli is in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood. It was shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45, f16@ 7/10ths of a second. I rested the camera on a freezer case to steady it. You can see that one customer moved during the exposure. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2842776size=lg Nice shot, Paul. Looks like a cool place. Love the old tin ceiling and the vintage display coolers. Whatever focal length you used, it's just about right for the circumstance. Exposure's perfect - I (of course) actually like the blurred guy - adds even more character to the shot. Really nice composition, nice soft lighting - the shot has a nice mood to it, I find. Terrific stuff! But, what's a guy named Stenquist doing in a Swedish deli? vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO: Swedish Deli
Nice shop, BTW did you buy any Lövånger Bröd* or Kalles Kaviar**? * a brand of crispbread; amer. äv. ryecrisp ** a kind of caviar in tube Peter, Sweden Shel's picture of the ice-cream parlor reminded me of this shot I took in a Sweish Delicatessan last weekend. Ya, the deli is in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood. It was shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45, f16@ 7/10ths of a second. I rested the camera on a freezer case to steady it. You can see that one customer moved during the exposure. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2842776size=lg
Re: Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick tan update...
i thought louisiana has its laws derived from napoleonoc code (correct me if i'm wrong). mishka On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:45:37 -0500, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:19:11 -0800, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that in all of North America, Frank? AFAIK, it's every country that derives their legal system from the English system (ie: Common Law countries - ironically). g So, pretty much Canada, the US, Britain and most, if not all the former colonies of Britain. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: Drat! Just missed it
frank theriault wrote: On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:43:25 +, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would have been fun trying to prove them wrong http://cgi1.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnterpartner=03loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Eco%2Euk%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D5530699633%26category%3D2979%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUK%3A1 When I was a kid, I thought the Vulcan was the coolest looking bomber ever. Who'da thunk I'd have a chance to buy one? All that would have been missing would be the money! vbg We have a definite divergence of taste 8-) I preferred the Victor (still flying, I think) and, even more, the Valiant which had an unfortunate design flaw that saw most of them scrapped by the end of their first decade. Much better looking than the B52, even if some of those are slated to be still flying when three figures roll round. mike
Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt)
At some level of infractions (so many in a period of time severity) here in Michigan, the license is revoked, but it doesn't seem to stop a large number from driving anyway. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: PAW: White Pitbull (an hommage to Elliott Erwitt) I mean ban as in no driving privilege. A fine/surcharge doesn't work. Thats about the third step here. Depends on the driving infraction. William Robb
RE: First *istD question/confusion
Congrats and welcome to the club. You really should post the picture to have it evaluated, please! To remove dust you need a big rubber-ball blower. Set the*ist D to sensor cleaning. Or simply fire at Bulb speed. Blow the dust away with out actually touchibng anything inside the mirror box. I do it frequently. I bougt a big blower on a pharmacy years ago for cleaning negs and slides. The small ones from the photo dealer are pretty useless. Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. november 2004 19:18 Til: PDML Emne: First *istD question/confusion Hi! I've shot today some 20 frames. Some of the frames feature the same kind of issue that makes me a bit worried. If certain area of the picture is just uniform background, there would be a 25x25 pixels area that looks like very big film grain. It looks like a spot you know - one that begs to be healed/cloned out. Is this normal? -- Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW (x2)
David, your Rock image rocks! Looks like a great place to return to and get up close personal with the elements in the scene. Both image seem subdued as to the brightness. Do you set white/black points during image processing? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Mann Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:58 AM Subject: PAW (x2) I skipped last week as I was busy modifying my speakers. I almost skipped this week as I just finished the crossovers and was busy listening to my speakers :) I decided to save time and present some panoramas that I scanned some time ago. I bought some roll-paper for my printer last week and I intend to pick one or two pans to print really big after I've stocked up on spare ink. So on to the pictures... One I've attributed to last week: Fence http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=31-Oct-2004 And this week's one: Rocks http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=6-Nov-2004 Both of these photos were taken on the same day using an RB67 with 35mm panorama back. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick tan update...
Some American state still recognize common law marriage, including Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Kansas and Colorado. Many other states, including New York, will recognize a common law marriage that was validly created in another state. frank theriault wrote: Common law marriage no longer exists. Marriage Statutes, which were proclaimed into law in the late 1800's in most jurisdictions, all specifically abolished Common Law marriage, so that only marriage sanctioned by the state was legal marriage. In the 60's and 70's, the term common law marriage was more or less revived as a way of saying we consider ourselves married, and act just like a married couple, but this union hasn't been sanctioned by the state. This clearly harkened back to the days prior to Marriage Statutes, when, depending on the jurisdiction, judges would ex post facto declare a marriage to be a legal one if (for instance) the couple lived together for a number of years, had a child together, etc, etc. Problem is, the rules for common law marriage varied so much from court district to court district, it was hard to know whether one was married or not. What if a couple who'd been living together for 4 years in a district where they had a three year rule, then moved to a district where there was a 5 year rule? Were they unmarried for a year? So, for national certainty, Marriage Statutes made sense. What we think of today as common law marriage, really means nothing more than we've been cohabiting for a period of time, or under such conditions that the State has said that one or both of us have acquired certain rights or responsibilities WRT monetary support or division of property should we separate. The term common law marriage is a colloquial one that currently has no basis at law. cheers, frank
RE: Any fireworks tonight?
I Denmark we have had enough firworks for some time. A factory in Kolding blew up last week. The factory is totally gone and 750 homes were evacuated. 150 homes will probably never be homes again. http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/baggrund/article.jhtml?articleID=211498 Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. november 2004 01:30 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Any fireworks tonight? Any of our UK listers getting any fireworks photos tonight? Bonfires? C'mon Cotty, come up with something good for us! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: Source for KA rear lens caps?
This guy American Eagle has lots of them. Quite cheap too. Express shipment. Highly recommended A+. This pictture are Not KA-caps, but if you ask for the ones with a collar, he'll ship those instead: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=3832711660ssPageNam e=STRK:MERFB:IID Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. november 2004 14:22 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Source for KA rear lens caps? they're not always in stock. i have run them out of stock a couple of times now by buying one. Herb... - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:02 AM Subject: RE: Source for KA rear lens caps? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cartA=detailsQ=sku=4129 7is=REG Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Anyone know who stocks rear lens caps for KA? It's easy to find K caps but I'd like some that also cover the electrical contacts. Need about 10 of them.
Re: Cape Cod trip
there are a few nice bike paths through the dunes and brush. one is from falmouth to woodshole (it ends/starts in woodshole ferry to martha's wineyard parking lot). two (on both sides of cape cod canal) are between the bridges. and a few more built where old railroad tracks used to be. oh, and you can rent bikes pretty much everywhere (at least spring to fall -- not sure about november) provincetown in winter looks like a ghost town. you'd be hard pressed to find an open cafe to eat (again, have no idea what's november there like). best, mishka On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:28:24 -0500, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My cousin is getting married on Cape Cod next Saturday, so we're going up a few days in advance to do some sightseeing. I went there for a couple of weeks as a kid, so I have an idea of what it's like out there. We're planning on hitting some lighthouses and some nature trails, and I'm hoping to do some star trail shots and some nice sunsets. We're staying in Orleans, and we'll definitely be visiting Provincetown, the Cape Cod National Seashore, etc. Is there anything or place in particular I should make a special effort to shoot? Thanks, Amita
RE: Any fireworks tonight?
I forgot to undeline, that this is in fact a firworks factory! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. november 2004 20:53 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Any fireworks tonight? I Denmark we have had enough firworks for some time. A factory in Kolding blew up last week. The factory is totally gone and 750 homes were evacuated. 150 homes will probably never be homes again. http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/baggrund/article.jhtml?articleID=211498 Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. november 2004 01:30 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Any fireworks tonight? Any of our UK listers getting any fireworks photos tonight? Bonfires? C'mon Cotty, come up with something good for us! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Mark's Common Law Marriage, and Why It Doesn't Exist-was: quick
Daniel wrote: Some American state still recognize common law marriage, including Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Kansas and Colorado. Many other states, including New York, will recognize a common law marriage that was validly created in another state. after frank theriault wrote: Common law marriage no longer exists. Marriage Statutes, which were proclaimed into law in the late 1800's in most jurisdictions, all specifically abolished Common Law marriage, so that only marriage sanctioned by the state was legal marriage. ... I was fairly certain, living in Texas, that I had heard there WAS such a thing as common law marriage in Texas. A quick search turned up, among many others, this site http://www.divorcelawtexas.com/txpages/Alimony/commonlawmarriage.asp which looks fairly credible. ERN
Re: First *istD question/confusion
Boris, It's very likely a normal thing. :-) Most likely it's a speck of dust. Jostein - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: First *istD question/confusion Hi! I've shot today some 20 frames. Some of the frames feature the same kind of issue that makes me a bit worried. If certain area of the picture is just uniform background, there would be a 25x25 pixels area that looks like very big film grain. It looks like a spot you know - one that begs to be healed/cloned out. Is this normal? -- Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: First *istD question/confusion
It's probably a spec of dust on your sensor. Get yourself a sterile ear syringe from a drug store. Follow the directions in your owner's manual for cleaning the sensor and blow it off with the ear syringe. Between cleanings, keep your syringe in the box, so that it stays clean. Paul On Nov 6, 2004, at 1:18 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I've shot today some 20 frames. Some of the frames feature the same kind of issue that makes me a bit worried. If certain area of the picture is just uniform background, there would be a 25x25 pixels area that looks like very big film grain. It looks like a spot you know - one that begs to be healed/cloned out. Is this normal? -- Boris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Paw: Alaskan Gray
Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html From my Alaskan snow, sleet rain Series Taken with *ist D and 300mm f4.5 FA Comments solicited appreciated Thanks in advance. Kenneth Waller
Re: PESO: Swedish Deli
Thanks Frank. I checked the metadata. The focal length was 16mm. Of course (dare I say it?), the field of view would be the equivalent of a 24mm lens with 35mm film. I cropped a wee bit as well to straighten the verticals in the center of frame. (The freezer case apparently hadn't been leveled.) I bought a jar of imported Swedish Herring in cream sauce. It was very good. Perfect little fillets with more garlic and less vinegar than what we get her in the USA. I also bought a jar of Swedish mustard. It has a nice rich/sweet flavor. My father, Nils Gustav Stenquist, hung around in Andersonville in the 1930s, so it's a special place for me. On Nov 6, 2004, at 2:09 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:30:56 -0500, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shel's picture of the ice-cream parlor reminded me of this shot I took in a Sweish Delicatessan last weekend. Ya, the deli is in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood. It was shot with the *istD and the DA 16-45, f16@ 7/10ths of a second. I rested the camera on a freezer case to steady it. You can see that one customer moved during the exposure. It's here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2842776size=lg Nice shot, Paul. Looks like a cool place. Love the old tin ceiling and the vintage display coolers. Whatever focal length you used, it's just about right for the circumstance. Exposure's perfect - I (of course) actually like the blurred guy - adds even more character to the shot. Really nice composition, nice soft lighting - the shot has a nice mood to it, I find. Terrific stuff! But, what's a guy named Stenquist doing in a Swedish deli? vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
