Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread John Francis
mike wilson mused:
> 
> Not sure I agree with you (I don't think the photographer analogy stands 
> up at all) and I still don't understand why music CDs are so much 
> cheaper, given the development costs are similar.


You're confusing unit manufacturing cost with product development cost.

A decent music CD can be put together in a year by maybe a couple of
dozen people, probably not even working full time on making the CD.

Something like PhotoShop involves more like a couple of hundred people
during a multi-year development phase, not to mention needing product
support (there's no post-sales support on a music CD).  Factor in the
fact that software engineers tend to be rather higher paid than most
musicians, and a 40-to-one price ratio doesn't seem that ridiculous.



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread Jon Glass
On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:04 AM, frank theriault wrote:
2)  Who, on this list, is a purist - come to think of it, what's a
purist?  
A purist is a person who drinks their coffee with only cream and sugar. 
;-D
--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Jon Glass
Question, though. Is the bokeh digitally enhanced?
Lovely subject--the camera, that is. It was my first camera Brings 
back memories.

On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ditto. The subject pops out of the environment. Nice grayscale. 
excellent composition. I like it.

--
-Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Scanner: which one?

2004-12-07 Thread Thibs
I'm looking for a scanner.
I'm very budget limited so it'll probably be flatbed one.
I know Canon do affordable (almost) flatbeds with film back.
Of course it is nowhere near a film scanner but I do not expect it to.
I absolutely need a normal scanner. Film one may follow if budget does too.
Any clue? Canon? Epson?

Thibouille


Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Thibs
Mark Roberts a écrit :
Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  

Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  
I would think you should be able to wish "Happy Hannukah" to
~anyone~ who understands the significance of Hannukah.  ;-)

Har! Never thought of that! It is the "Festival of Lights", right?
What color temp? I need to know how to set my white balance.
Seriously - Happy Hanukkah to everyone. One of the things I like about
America is that it's a place where a Buddhist can wish a Jew merry
Christmas and no one thinks there's anything odd about it. :)

 I agree and would like to do the same. Happy Hanukkah to anyone who 
does celebrate this (and others too anyway).

-
Thibouille


Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread mike wilson

William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

Let's say you are a member of a large orchestra.  You take years to 
learn your instrument and weeks to learn a particular piece, along 
with your colleagues.  A huge investment of time and effort. It is 
recorded and released on CD.  Why is it $6, not $600?  The answer, of 
course, is the effect of scale.  At a cheap price, you can sell more 
and make the same, or better, profit.  I know there are other factors 
involved in the argument but, for me, software is _grotesquely_ 
overpriced.  It would be really interesting to see if any company had 
the mettle to reduce their price by a couple of orders of magnitude 
to try to corner the market.

I did a seminar a few years back with a very good and successful 
photographer.
On pricing, he said that if you want to drop your price 10%, you will 
have to do 40% more work to make up for the price drop.
My Photoshop instructor mentioned one time that something like 90% of 
the installed Photoshop programs are pirated, with the other 10% being 
legitimate installs.
People will take things for free if they have the opportunity, no 
matter what the cost is. I see it every day, with people shoplifting 
cheap trinkets out of my store.
Pirating is what keeps the cost of software high. If those other 90% 
bought, everyone would pay significantly less. The cost of theft is 
built into the price, and the honest consumers pay for the crooks.
Not sure I agree with you (I don't think the photographer analogy stands 
up at all) and I still don't understand why music CDs are so much 
cheaper, given the development costs are similar.  If pirating was 
causing high prices, recorded music prices should be astronomical.  What 
is keeping the price high is that people are willing to pay it.

mike


RE: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Dec 2004 at 7:28, Jens Bladt wrote:

> Very nice shot - and editing. Perhaps just a bit overdone... but still
> brilliant, IMO.

Hi Jens,

Thanks. I guess I should have added that it's an un-edited un-cropped shot, 
nothing but global changes to the full frame, no smoothing, softening or 
cloning was applied to the image. Was edit the word you were looking for? :-)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Jens Bladt
Very nice shot - and editing. Perhaps just a bit overdone... but still
brilliant, IMO.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 8. december 2004 02:35
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: PESO My type of photographer


Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a really
severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer and
curves approach:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg

Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200

Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.

PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998





RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Jens Bladt
Download Irfan View from: 

http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html

I have made many CD-shows with this software. You'll love it. 

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt





Tamropn AF 28-80mm F/3.5-5.6 Aspherical

2004-12-07 Thread Jens Bladt
Any comments, experiences on this lens, please?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3857276670

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt





RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Jens Bladt
Irfan View - still brilliant.
You will need a software, that can make MP3 files (and other formats) from a
CD. You can buy a  See: www.MP3-ripper.net or try to find alternatives free.
CD to MP3-Ripper is excellent!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 8. december 2004 01:28
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


I was hoping to be able to take music from a CD that I
own, and somehow "burn" songs onto a slide
presentation so that when the slide show is played, my
song(s) are playing at the same time.

Is this possible?

--- Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> what do you mean 'with music'? synchronized or free
> running ripper music. there are
> many inexpensive programs if you consider $50
> inexpensive.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax Discussion Board"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: Need software suggestion for slide show w/
> music
>
>
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> > inexpensive software program that can create a
> slide
> > show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> > Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also
> tried
> > searching the archives, but could not find
> anything.
>
>
>




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RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Jens Bladt
You won't get anythiong cheaper than Irfan View - it's free (for private
use) and can use MP3 and other sound files.
 It will even add a small application to CD's you burn from Irfan View
shows - the user of the slide show don't need to have the software
installed - it will run anyway! It's brilliant, and free.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 8. december 2004 06:23
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


Quoting Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> inexpensive software program that can create a slide
> show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
> searching the archives, but could not find anything.

Comparable in price to Photoshop Elements 2: Photoshop Album or Photoshop
Elements 3 (for Windows); they can do that.

ERNR







Re: Paw: Fall colours #2

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:07:14 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> http://caughtinmotion.com/paw/mad2_04.jpg
> 
> I think this one is a bit better than #1,but its still not as sharp as i'd 
> like it to be.
> I think its more film
> flatness than anything.
> 
> Taken near Harcourt Ontario back in October. I like to shoot lakes and 
> swamps,probably
> because most
> of my field survey career was taken up trying to avoid them in summer and not 
> fall through
> them in
> winter.LOL
> 
> Enjoy and comments welcome.
> 
> Dave
> 

I like the composition, but as someone's already noted, it's a bit
oversaturated for my taste.  Nature should look, er, natural.  

Now, I know I said that #1 looked a bit flat, but this is way way too
far in the other direction .

I might have more to say if there's a more realistic colour version
farther down in the thread, or possibly posted in another related
thread or something.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread ernreed2
Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> MS-Powerpoint is made just for that!
> jco
> 
> Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> >inexpensive software program that can create a slide
> >show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> >Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried searching the 
> >archives, but could not find anything.

MS PowerPoint -- "relatively inexpensive"?
Tell me more.
I was looking for that a couple of years ago.

ERNR
does not qualify for the educational package, legally.



Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> inexpensive software program that can create a slide
> show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
> searching the archives, but could not find anything.

Comparable in price to Photoshop Elements 2: Photoshop Album or Photoshop 
Elements 3 (for Windows); they can do that.

ERNR





Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

ft> Okay, it's after sundown here, so I can say it.

ft> Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  

ft> Now, I'm not asking anyone to "identify themselves" (since after all,
ft> it's none of my business), but I know Shel and Boris are Jewish. 
ft> Can't think of anyone else in this august group who is, but surely
ft> there must be more than just two!

ft> Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  

Happy Hannukah.

Me so thinks a holiday is a reason to spread good mood and bear gifts,
etc. So thank you Frank.

In Israel every other year (or is it every year) we have a "Festival
of Three Faiths" in city of Haifa - Ramadan, Hannukah and Christmas...

So as I said, Happy Hannukah and let holiday lights (be it a Xmas tree
or Hannukiah, (I don't know anything about Ramadan tradition :( ))
shine bright for you :).

Boris
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
well, it usually goes at list price of $179 with few discounts and runs only
as a Photoshop plugin. it's a very good noise reduction tool too and can
remove noise very well, both film and digital. Neat Image still does a
better job of removing grain. the best part of Grain Surgery is the ability
to match film grain so you can blend a digital image into a film image and
remove the film grain as a giveaway.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)


> Thanks Herb. I figured someone would chime in with more on the grain
issue. How expensive is grain surgery?




Re: Need help on 50mm A f/2 with stuck focussing

2004-12-07 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
1.  Parts can be ordered from Pentax.
2.  When one of the leaf springs that's used for the "A" pin position 
set-release
becomes free of the lens frame it jams the aperture ring.  I'm fixing the same
problem right now on the A50/1.7 I got from a PDMLer.  Just a couple of 
hours work
and your lens is a bargain.
3.  Always use a magnet when disassembling A lenses.

Collin
"You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the 
relationship the greater the impact."
Howard Hendricks



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Herb. I figured someone would chime in with more on the grain issue. How 
expensive is grain surgery?


> the very best is Grain Surgery, but it is expensive. it's also a good grain
> removal tool and also can extract grain from reference images taken with
> specific film to apply to other images.
> 
> Herb...
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)
> 
> 
> > Hmmm.
> > Foir years we struggled with low speed films like Panatomic X to try to
> minimize grain. Now we're trying to find ways to put it back in .
> Seriously, there are some filters that can simulate grain. I think there's
> one in Kai's Power Tools. Do a google search.
> 
> 



Re: PESO a couple of wood peckers

2004-12-07 Thread Ann Sanfedele
a friend of mine wrote in email that  he saw a "red-tufted" woodpecker outside 
his
window on the
upper west side of Manhattan.  I thought he mixed up a couple of bird names, was
pretty sure
he had seen a downy.  He confessed to merely describing the look of the bird - 
not
knowing it's
square name.  Obviously, that little fellow of yours gets around! :)

annsan

Mark Roberts wrote:

> frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:37:31 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >We first saw him in June
> >> when he was a baby who had only just been kicked out of the nest:
> >> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pages/0680.htm
> >> Now that he's mostly grown up he looks much more like the bird in your
> >> photo (just saw him at the feeder this morning).
> >
> >Hey, Mark,
> >
> >Was that the one that had Lisa so concerned the evening I was there?
>
> That's the one! He's still around and enjoying the woodpecker feeders
> Lisa has set up. BTW, she says the bird in Francis' photo *is* a Downy
> Woodpecker.
>
> >That little fellow cut into our beer-drinking time!  
>
> Yeah but it was worth waiting for that fine church-brewed ale!
>
> >Actually, that was a great evening, and I must say, you handled the
> >bird situation very well, doing a laudable job of calming Lisa's
> >fears. 
>
> Amazing, eh? Don't know how she deals with dying kids all the time...
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com



Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread arnie
I'm a religious jew.
arnie
- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: Happy Hannukah


Okay, it's after sundown here, so I can say it.
Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  

Now, I'm not asking anyone to "identify themselves" (since after all,
it's none of my business), but I know Shel and Boris are Jewish. 
Can't think of anyone else in this august group who is, but surely
there must be more than just two!

Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson




Re: Russian pancake portrait lens

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:03:39 -0800, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A few days ago I inquired about a 39mm to 42mm adapter because I
> wanted to try an old Industar Zenit lens in the ist D. Well, Shel
> loaned me his, so behold this anachronism, the black tape special
> edition soviet * ist D:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1990444/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1990443/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1990442/
> 
> As seen in the first image, the serial number of the Industar starts
> in 59, which means 1959. Has anyone mounted older lenses on their
> digital cameras?
> 
> Anyway, as it is, the lens doesn't seem to focus to infinity, even
> though it should (it is an SLR lens, and there are adapters for M42
> made to be used with it). It makes for a nice portrait lens though.
> 
> I might even go out and take some pictures with it now.

That is one funky looking camera, with that lens on it.  It makes me
smile.There, see, I smiled.

I look forward to seeing pix.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Rob Studdert wrote:

> Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a really
> severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer and
> curves approach:
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
>
> Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200
>
> Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.

Um Shuz eh?  Why is it that SHUZ aren't the first thing that comes to mind?
Same dish, Rob?

nice shot

annsan the skimming-the-list girl


>
>
> PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
the very best is Grain Surgery, but it is expensive. it's also a good grain
removal tool and also can extract grain from reference images taken with
specific film to apply to other images.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)


> Hmmm.
> Foir years we struggled with low speed films like Panatomic X to try to
minimize grain. Now we're trying to find ways to put it back in .
Seriously, there are some filters that can simulate grain. I think there's
one in Kai's Power Tools. Do a google search.




Re: another filter question: FA* 300mm F2.8

2004-12-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
Some ill chosen words on my part.
When I said B+W, I was referring to their apparent usage with black + white 
photography. not the brand name B+W.
The filter I tried was in fact a Tiffen - and it was indeed too thick to fit 
into the openning slot once screwed into the holder.
I've never tried just dropping an unmounted filter into the slot, I believe it 
would need to be firmly located and not floating around in there.

Kenneth Waller


-Original Message-
From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Dec 7, 2004 2:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: another filter question: FA* 300mm F2.8

>Andre,
>
>>  If you need the UV only, I wouldn't mind breaking a set.
>
>Is it Pentax? If so, then I would be interested, but in an earlier email
>you mentioned that this was a "normal 43mm SMC (filter) kit"; that is, not
>designed as a drop-in filter, but rather a front element screw-on. The
>problem with this is that normal filters don't tend to fit into the
>drop-in housing. As Kenneth pointed out earlier today:
>
>"I just tried a "normal" Tiffen 43mm 1A and it is too thick!"
>
>... but let me know if I'm mistaken.
>
>  - Jerome

These 43mm Pentax SMC filters can be screwed but I think they also 
can be just inserted in the lens compartment.  Tiffen filters are 
kind of thick, the Pentax ones may have about 1 or 2 mm less.

Kenneth, are the B&W filters useless because they are too thick?  If 
so, the Pentax is certainly thinner than a B&W but not by a large 
margin.  My guess is that they fit, especially because this 43mm kit 
was only made for 3 lenses, the FA 300/2.8, the FA 600 and the FA 
250-??? zoom.  I could check tonight how thick they are.

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Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread pnstenquist
Hmmm.
Foir years we struggled with low speed films like Panatomic X to try to 
minimize grain. Now we're trying to find ways to put it back in . Seriously, 
there are some filters that can simulate grain. I think there's one in Kai's 
Power Tools. Do a google search.


> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:38:26 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Fine work, Rob.  Good to see what can be done with B&W conversions and the
> > RAW format.  Between you and Juan, I may be moving closer to a DSLR all the
> > faster.  I do miss the grain though ...
> 
> The other day I started playing in Photoshop with some grain. I was
> thinking about shooting a frame of Tri-X of a flat grey card, scanning
> that and extracting the grain, to use on digital images. Then I
> realized that good results can be obtained with some noise and
> gaussian blur.
> 
> What do the purists in the list think about these idea of fake grain?
> 
> j
> 
> 
> -- 
> Juan Buhler
> http://www.jbuhler.com
> blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
> 



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 Dec 2004 at 18:54, Juan Buhler wrote:
 
> The other day I started playing in Photoshop with some grain. I was
> thinking about shooting a frame of Tri-X of a flat grey card, scanning
> that and extracting the grain, to use on digital images. Then I
> realized that good results can be obtained with some noise and
> gaussian blur.
> 
> What do the purists in the list think about these idea of fake grain?

Yep, very interesting, I've though about trying the same. I'd suggest that most 
people seem to have an issue with grain added to image for electronic display, 
I suspect that if a believable noise pattern was added in the correct fashion 
the prints could be quite convincing.

The prints coming from my printer at this moment seem to display a slight but 
visible mis-registration of the colours so I'm not game to try it as yet as I 
suspect that an error like that would really kill a grainy mono print.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:54:26 -0800, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> What do the purists in the list think about these idea of fake grain?

1)  That's a loaded question (that I'll have to consider before I answer), and,

2)  Who, on this list, is a purist - come to think of it, what's a
purist?  

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson



RE: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread pnstenquist
There are PhotoShop tools that will allow you to add grain to an image. I think 
there's one in Kai's Tools. 

In regard to printing BW on inkjet, I've had considerable success with the 
Epson 2200 and the standard 7-color ink set. I've had no problem with colorcast 
and have been able to control grayscale tones rather well by modifying the 
color image as necessary before conversion. I've recently printed a set of 
eight Leica shots from Paris and Madrid for a gallery show. Some were BW, some 
were color, so I decided to print them all as BW on the Epson. The color were 
on Superia 800, the BW on Tri-X. It worked out quite well. After conversion, 
it's hard to tell them apart aside from the fact that the Superia pics are a 
bit more grainy. I'm also including two shots of the iiif and a short essay 
about Leica cameras and photography on the streets of Europe. The iiif shots 
were exposed in the *istD. The slick, smooth look of these shots is interesting 
next to the grainy film prints. BW inkjet printing is nice even at the level 
I've attempted, and I'm sure it can be taken much further. (I'v!
 e seen some awesome BW inkjet prints in pro portfolios.)
Paul


> Fine work, Rob.  Good to see what can be done with B&W conversions and the
> RAW format.  Between you and Juan, I may be moving closer to a DSLR all the
> faster.  I do miss the grain though ...
> 
> BTW, I'm glad to see you getting more "people" shots.  Juan and I'll have
> you out on the streets swathed in black tape in no time 
> 
> Now, have you printed this pic? 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a
> really 
> > severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer
> and 
> > curves approach:
> >
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
> >
> > Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200
> >
> > Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.
> >
> > PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7 
> 
> 



Re: Your best M42 mount lenses.

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:52:48 -0500, Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> L
> 
> Despite his one-liners here, Cotty is quite a decent person though those who
> have not actually met him may not believe that (g).

...and some of us who have met him may not believe it, either...

cheers, etc,
frank




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Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Juan Buhler
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:52:09 -0500, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That being said, it's a pretty cool shot.  If it were tilted a bit,
> I'd say maybe Juan took it!  (that's a compliment, BTW, to both of you
> ).

Wow, thanks for the compliment.

Unlike Rob, I would have taken her for coffee, though. ;-)

j

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blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog



Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 Dec 2004 at 21:52, frank theriault wrote:

> Well, it sure doesn't look like "real" film.  Those two OOF folks in
> the foreground have an odd look to them - not natural to my eye, but
> likely what I mean by "not natural" is "it doesn't look like what I'm
> used to".

LOL, I'm surprised the two pin-heads at the back haven't rated a mention. The 
shot is a lot longer than you generally take (equivalent AOV to a 300mm lens on 
your 35mm gear) so maybe that's the issue?

> That being said, it's a pretty cool shot.  If it were tilted a bit,
> I'd say maybe Juan took it!  (that's a compliment, BTW, to both of you
> ).
> 
> Cool shot, Rob!!

Thanks Frank, I do like this shot, glad you do too.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Digital grain (was Re: PESO My type of photographer)

2004-12-07 Thread Juan Buhler
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:38:26 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fine work, Rob.  Good to see what can be done with B&W conversions and the
> RAW format.  Between you and Juan, I may be moving closer to a DSLR all the
> faster.  I do miss the grain though ...

The other day I started playing in Photoshop with some grain. I was
thinking about shooting a frame of Tri-X of a flat grey card, scanning
that and extracting the grain, to use on digital images. Then I
realized that good results can be obtained with some noise and
gaussian blur.

What do the purists in the list think about these idea of fake grain?

j


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Re: Epson Printer

2004-12-07 Thread Kenneth Waller

My Stylus Photo does 8 X 10s in about 8 minutes. My 2000P does 13 X 19s in 
about 18mins

Kenneth Waller
 
-Original Message-
From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Dec 7, 2004 9:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Epson Printer

Shel,
Have been using an Epson Stylus Photo 820 (Print Image
Matching) for at least two and a half years.
You said you would like something for Q&D proofs. The
820 will give you more, but it isn't "quick". Haven't
put it on the clock, but would guess that a 2880 dpi
8x10 takes 'prox 20 minutes..minimum. It's possible
that this is considered fast as it relates to other
comparably priced printers. Don't know. 
Printer interface gives you good control and last
minute help for a "slow & clean" image. 
Am using it with PSE 3.0 and can recommend it without
reservation.

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Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:34:51 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a really
> severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer and
> curves approach:
> 
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
> 
> Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200
> 
> Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.
> 
> PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7
> 

Well, it sure doesn't look like "real" film.  Those two OOF folks in
the foreground have an odd look to them - not natural to my eye, but
likely what I mean by "not natural" is "it doesn't look like what I'm
used to".

That being said, it's a pretty cool shot.  If it were tilted a bit,
I'd say maybe Juan took it!  (that's a compliment, BTW, to both of you
).

Cool shot, Rob!!

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO a couple of wood peckers

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:53:09 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Amazing, eh? Don't know how she deals with dying kids all the time...

Quite the contrary, I'm sure that what she has to deal with at work
only makes her that much more sensitive to the plight of all living
things.  I look forward to seeing her next year on the way to (or
from) GFM - I owe you guys a meal...  

cheers,
frank

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RE: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Fine work, Rob.  Good to see what can be done with B&W conversions and the
RAW format.  Between you and Juan, I may be moving closer to a DSLR all the
faster.  I do miss the grain though ...

BTW, I'm glad to see you getting more "people" shots.  Juan and I'll have
you out on the streets swathed in black tape in no time 

Now, have you printed this pic? 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a
really 
> severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer
and 
> curves approach:
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
>
> Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200
>
> Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.
>
> PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7 




Re: PAW: Rossin Pista

2004-12-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
Mark Roberts wrote:
Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

frank theriault wrote:
   

One day, between calls, I looked over at my bike, and something about
it looked particularly fetching (to me, at least).  I took my camera
out of my bag, and this is what it saw:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717&size=lg
Your comments are always welcome, and I thank those in advance who
look and are compelled to comment.
cheers,
frank
 

much better than a pic of a pissin Rasta
   

And probably tastier than a slice of raisin pizza.
 

Or not...
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke




Re: PESO a couple of wood peckers

2004-12-07 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:37:31 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We first saw him in June
>> when he was a baby who had only just been kicked out of the nest:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pages/0680.htm
>> Now that he's mostly grown up he looks much more like the bird in your
>> photo (just saw him at the feeder this morning).
>
>Hey, Mark,
>
>Was that the one that had Lisa so concerned the evening I was there?

That's the one! He's still around and enjoying the woodpecker feeders
Lisa has set up. BTW, she says the bird in Francis' photo *is* a Downy
Woodpecker.

>That little fellow cut into our beer-drinking time!  

Yeah but it was worth waiting for that fine church-brewed ale!

>Actually, that was a great evening, and I must say, you handled the
>bird situation very well, doing a laudable job of calming Lisa's
>fears. 

Amazing, eh? Don't know how she deals with dying kids all the time...

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: PAW: Rossin Pista

2004-12-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
I wish I'd said that...
Doug Brewer wrote:
frank theriault wrote:
One day, between calls, I looked over at my bike, and something about
it looked particularly fetching (to me, at least).  I took my camera
out of my bag, and this is what it saw:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2938717&size=lg
Your comments are always welcome, and I thank those in advance who
look and are compelled to comment.
cheers,
frank

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Re: another filter question: FA* 300mm F2.8

2004-12-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
On my 600mm FA, you need the threads to mount the filter to the holder.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
From: Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Dec 7, 2004 9:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: another filter question: FA* 300mm F2.8

You might want to see if a Series-VI filter will fit. As I recall they are 
pretty close to 43mm in diameter, and since they do not have threads they are 
somewhat slimmer than millimetric filters.

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Jerome Reyes wrote:
> Andre,
> 
> 
>>If you need the UV only, I wouldn't mind breaking a set.
> 
> 
> Is it Pentax? If so, then I would be interested, but in an earlier email
> you mentioned that this was a "normal 43mm SMC (filter) kit"; that is, not
> designed as a drop-in filter, but rather a front element screw-on. The
> problem with this is that normal filters don't tend to fit into the
> drop-in housing. As Kenneth pointed out earlier today:
> 
> "I just tried a "normal" Tiffen 43mm 1A and it is too thick!"
> 
> ... but let me know if I'm mistaken.
> 
>  - Jerome
> 
> 
> 
> _
> Jerome D. Coombs-Reyes, Ph.D.
> Norfolk State University, Math Dept.
> http://math.nsu.edu/Math/faculty/jreyes/jreyes.htm
> http://exposedfilm.net
> 
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Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  
>
>> Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  
>
>I would think you should be able to wish "Happy Hannukah" to
>~anyone~ who understands the significance of Hannukah.  ;-)

Har! Never thought of that! It is the "Festival of Lights", right?
What color temp? I need to know how to set my white balance.

Seriously - Happy Hanukkah to everyone. One of the things I like about
America is that it's a place where a Buddhist can wish a Jew merry
Christmas and no one thinks there's anything odd about it. :)

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Your best M42 mount lenses.

2004-12-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
Cotty takes a hacksaw to the K mount and forceably grafts the alien eos 
mount to them...

Jon Glass wrote:
On Dec 7, 2004, at 1:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No problem. You're not the only one on this list who uses Pentax 
lenses on a Canon body.

Sorry, but you all sparked my curiosity! Somehow, I haven't heard this 
before... How does this work? Do only M42 lenses work, or do K-mount 
lenses work also? This is so weird, that I just have to hear more... :-)

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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
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RE: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Don Sanderson
You could have spent two hours posing people and not
got a shot that interesting.
Amazing, hard to take your eyes off of it.
Great shot.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PESO My type of photographer
> 
> 
> Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image 
> from a really 
> severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate 
> layer and 
> curves approach:
> 
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
> 
> Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200
> 
> Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.
> 
> PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 



Re: Need help on 50mm A f/2 with stuck focussing

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Dec 2004 at 1:16, Peter Spiro wrote:

> I would have thought focussing is a pretty simple matter of one object 
> turning against the threads of another.  I thought perhaps the parts had 
> gotten misaligned, and it would be a matter of snapping it back into place. 
> However, I can't see anything like that here.   Does anybody know what the
> moving part is supposed to be for focussing this lens?
> 
> I don't have another 50 f/2, so I don't know if the rear element is supposed 
> to
> move when it focusses.   Does it?  Any tips would be appreciated.

Hi Peter,

Wow you sure did take it apart :-)

The you really don't need to separate the lens groups from the body/aperture 
mech of the lens, the whole assembly simply moves in and out to focus. The free 
focus ring is likely the fine focus thread which turns with the heavy pitch 
aluminium helicoid tread. On part of the focus helicoid is cut into the barrel 
of the lens (the other side of the aperture mech) and the other one is under 
the focus ring. 

It seems the case you describe it appears that the helicoid has bound, a drop 
or corrosion will do it, but most likely a drop. Brute force may be the only 
way to separate them and there is no guarantee that the threads will ever mate 
again as they are so soft. You may be able to repair them using a very fine 
file them lube it up with some heavy lens lube. Good luck.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread pnstenquist
Ditto. The subject pops out of the environment. Nice grayscale. excellent 
composition. I like it.


> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg
> 
> Beautiful bokeh! :-)
> 
> Really, this image works for me--very nice.
> 
> j
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Juan Buhler
> http://www.jbuhler.com
> blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
> 



Re: Need help on 50mm A f/2 with stuck focussing

2004-12-07 Thread Alan Chan
--- Peter Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (From previous experience with A and F lenses, I knew I shouldn't 
> remove the aperture ring, since tiny parts pop out which are almost 
> impossible to replace.)

I think that's quite misleading because the only reason these tiny bits popped 
out
was that the aperture was not set to 'A' first (both assembling & 
disassembling).
For F/FA lenses, there is nothing to pop out because the A contact is not
mechanical, unlike A lenses.

> I don't have another 50 f/2, so I don't know if the rear element is supposed 
> to move when it focusses.   Does it?  Any tips would be appreciated.

I would guess the problem lies at the rear section of the lens where there are 2
metal guiding arms which are somehow not position properly and causing too much
pressure on the helicoid and jam it (sign of poor repair). You can try to 
"shake"
the lens tube (the aperture section) and see if it moves. If it is fixed 
solidly,
quite possible my guess was correct. Pentax primes are very simply in design 
and not
much could go wrong.


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Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
my personal slide shows are usually done using Adobe Premiere. i haven't
upgraded from 6.5 yet. i ran into a problem splicing together from MPG
videos for DVD production and i think it is a software bug, so that is the
only reason i considered upgrading.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steve Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


> After years of playing with programs to create slideshows, I finally
> found that it is best and easiest to create an actual movie using
> stills and transitions.  So both the above mentioned programs let you
> drop images into the timeline and set the length of display, frame by
> frame.  They also let you put in audio tracks for music along with
> titling, etc.  On top of that, they actually work with video, too!
> Lastly, they render a dvd quality mpeg movie that can be burned to dvd
> and played back at without regard to hardware issues.




Q&D *ist D/Fisheye rectilinear conversion

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
I mentioned in an earlier thread that I'm working on some distortion correction 
software, I'm not done but this is where I'm at on the A16/2.8 fisheye profile:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP9194.jpg (3MB, I'll leave it up 
for a couple of days)

Quick and dirty shot hand held at f5.6/infinity taken less than 15mins ago, the 
rectilinear conversion gives a very slightly wider AOV than the A15/3.5 on the 
*ist D.

The software uses Helmuts Panotools but it's far more friendly, it already 
contains profiles for the *ist D and a few recent popular zooms plus some off 
brand fisheyes.

http://www.epaperpress.com/ptlens/index.html

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: The one that got away

2004-12-07 Thread Peter J. Alling
If you look at the large version photo, you can see it's an f1.8.
Paul Stenquist wrote:
I was watching that auction. I was troubled by the 85 being described 
as an M 85/1.8. Are you sure it wasn't an M 85/2? If I'm not mistaken, 
I think all the other lenses were M versions.
Paul
On Dec 6, 2004, at 11:07 PM, Peter Spiro wrote:

This was a very nice set with a black K2 and six lenses, including an 
85mm f/1.8.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3856266592
I was the high bidder until one minute before the end of the 
auction.   The winner was a dealer, so watch for the individual items 
to re-appear on eBay.  I suspect he overpaid, however.  The items 
besides the 85mm are probably not worth more than $600 sold 
separately.   The 85mm sells for about $300, but even that won't give 
him much profit for all the trouble he's going to.




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Need help on 50mm A f/2 with stuck focussing

2004-12-07 Thread Peter Spiro
I was rummaging in my local camera store, and found a Pentax A 50mm f/2 at a 
bargain price.  The "only" thing wrong with it was that the focussing ring 
wouldn't turn.  I thought it should be an interesting challenge to try to 
fix it.   (From previous experience with A and F lenses, I knew I shouldn't 
remove the aperture ring, since tiny parts pop out which are almost 
impossible to replace.)

I have succeeded in pretty thoroughly taking it apart.  The toughest part is 
often getting the front retaining ring off.  I got a roll of electrical tape 
that was the same size, which I pressed down on it, and I managed to unscrew 
it fairly easily, without damaging it.  After that, it is a simple series of 
small screws and retaining rings, and all the front parts come off pretty 
easily right down to where the diaphragm is.  This is a picture of what it 
looks like disassembled:

http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/pentax50aparts.jpg
Well, now I have it taken apart (and I took digital pictures of it along the 
way, so I would remember what goes where).  However, I have no idea what to 
fix now.  The focussing ring is now loose, and turns nicely, but it doesn't 
engage with anything, and even worse I can't see anything for it to engage 
with.

I would have thought focussing is a pretty simple matter of one object 
turning against the threads of another.  I thought perhaps the parts had 
gotten misaligned, and it would be a matter of snapping it back into place.  
However, I can't see anything like that here.   Does anybody know what the 
moving part is supposed to be for focussing this lens?

I don't have another 50 f/2, so I don't know if the rear element is supposed 
to move when it focusses.   Does it?  Any tips would be appreciated.




Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Steve,

I use a product called VideoStudio from Ulead - only for PC's.  Also,
Adobe has release Premiere Elements as a competitor to VideoStudio -
both cost about $100 and allow you to work with a timeline.

One big question is what your output is going to be.  Are you only
playing back on the computer you created on?  Are you wanting to
create a playable DVD?  Do you want the transitions to be dependent on
the video hardware they are running on or independent like a movie?

After years of playing with programs to create slideshows, I finally
found that it is best and easiest to create an actual movie using
stills and transitions.  So both the above mentioned programs let you
drop images into the timeline and set the length of display, frame by
frame.  They also let you put in audio tracks for music along with
titling, etc.  On top of that, they actually work with video, too!
Lastly, they render a dvd quality mpeg movie that can be burned to dvd
and played back at without regard to hardware issues.

HTH,

Bruce


Tuesday, December 7, 2004, 3:29:06 PM, you wrote:

SP> Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
SP> inexpensive software program that can create a slide
SP> show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
SP> Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
SP> searching the archives, but could not find anything.

SP> TIA for any help!





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Re: FA 20 f2.8

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: FA 20 f2.8


Then the A24/2.8 is a diamond :-)
It is a nice lens, thats for sure.
William Robb


Re: Gaggle of Geese and Convocation of Cranes

2004-12-07 Thread Joseph Tainter
got a URL Joe?
Nope. Maybe I'll get around to that one of these years.
Joe


Re: FA 20 f2.8

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 Dec 2004 at 16:48, Alan Chan wrote:

> >the worst of the bunch in this 
> >area is the FA24/2, it made the Sigma look great.
> 
> That Sigma is a gem. Pity about the flare and built quality.

Then the A24/2.8 is a diamond :-)


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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I was hoping to be able to take music from a CD that I
>own, and somehow "burn" songs onto a slide
>presentation so that when the slide show is played, my
>song(s) are playing at the same time.
>
>Is this possible?

If you can burn the CD into MP3 files (and there are plenty of freeware
packages that will let you do that) Irfanview will run the music along
with displaying a slide show. You need a plug-in in order to play MP3
files with Irfanview but the plug-in is, like Irfanview itself, free.

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SIGN LANGUAGE - the CALENDAR

2004-12-07 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Hi everyone -

I've just added a B&W photo CALENDAR to the stuff
I have for sale on the cafepress site.  Based on
my 1992 book, SIGN LANGUAGE [Citadel Press, 1992]
The book is out of print.  With a little help from
my friends (you know who you are) I selected 12 of
the photos for the calendar in the store - my
faves
and their faves.

It is a lot more fun just to do the images and not
the scut work, so cafe press seemed a good idea:

The link to my store is:

http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff
(which includes clothes and tote bags, too)

A modest store at this point, easy to navigate -
the SIGN LANGUAGE section is right up there in
front - click and look.
They are very slightly marked up from the cut that
cafe press gets, I won't make much money per item
here.

However, I was startled to find the prices that
were being asked for the original book on AMAZON -

would you believe the few that are there start at
$54???  _used_.  Too bad I'll never see any of
that :(

You really need to view each image large to see
what is going on (on the site)  the thumbnails
don't quite cut it.

One bug on that sight - if you click on "/page" to
see what one picture with it's calendar part looks
like,
it put the December photo (STOP signs)  on the
page for January.  I've been assured by cafe press
that
the actual calendar will print correctly and "SLOW
CONGESTED AREA" will appear in January.

If anyone wants just ONE of the photos for a
calendar top or a small poster, please write me
email - I'll make sure that the item gets up in
the store within a day of your request.

If you buy a SIGN LANGUAGE calendar and want to
know where I took the photos I'll send you a list
of captions.

BONUS for the FIRST PERSON  to buy a calendar from
the cafepress site store who writes me directly
after they purchased it. (the date on the date on
the email will tell me who was first)  I'll make a
Epson premium glossy 8 x 10 of your favorite of
the photos in the calendar. a $20.00 value - free!

I'd just like to get some action going on the
site.

Thanks for reading all of this (I hope ya did!)

annsan
ann sanfedele
fanci deli - aka "hey you"
http://users.rcn.com/annsan







Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Fred
> Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  

> Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  

I would think you should be able to wish "Happy Hannukah" to
~anyone~ who understands the significance of Hannukah.  ;-)

Fred




Re: D questions

2004-12-07 Thread cbwaters
See Herb, THAT's just the reason why one needs these fancy cool cameras. 
I've used the focus points like you've described AND I've used them like 
John Francis and Doug Franklin have previously stated they use theirs 
(composing and picking a focus point then waiting for the subject to get 
"there").  But 90% of my time is spent on the center FP.
 The thing I don't get is who the heck wants the camera to pick the focus 
point?  About three seconds after I notice the thing is focusing on some 
mundane part of the frame for no reason I figure out that I've flicked that 
dial over to auto somehow and grumble under my breath...WHY did they think 
I'd want that?
Kinda like that big AF button on the back of my *istD...who uses that?

Cory
Submitted to the PUG yesterday for the first time since July thanks to Frank 
making me feel bad for neglecting the PUG...

- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: D questions


i am 90+% of the time on a tripod. that means compose first and focus 
later.
just center AF is almost useless for me. i am about 80% AF on focus points
other than the center, 10% on center, and 10% manual.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: D questions


Center-point autofocus gives you better control over the point of focus.
I consider multi-point to be primarily a marketing gimmick, and for
inexperienced users.


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Re: FA 20 f2.8

2004-12-07 Thread Alan Chan
>the worst of the bunch in this 
>area is the FA24/2, it made the Sigma look great.

That Sigma is a gem. Pity about the flare and built quality.


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Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
you want one of the many DVD slide show creation programs. most of them are
under $50 street price. if they are decent, they will create menus and such
so you can jump to and see different segments.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


> Once you create it, can you save it in a file format
> that others (that don't have MS Powerpoint) can view
> it?  For instance as a Adobe Reader file?
>
> Also, what I ultimately would like to be able to do,
> after it is created, is stick it in a DVD player and
> watch in on TV.  Can I do that with Powerpoint?




Re: PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Juan Buhler
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg

Beautiful bokeh! :-)

Really, this image works for me--very nice.

j



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re: mx shutter behavior

2004-12-07 Thread Alan Chan
>I checked out a used MX last night.
>The shutter mechanism behaved in a way I've not seen before.
>
>But use the self timer and ...
>a) the mirror would only shudder a bit (9/10 times) when it fires
>b) the next shot would (9/10 times) do the same.
>
>After that point it would work fine.  And under normal operation it worked 
>fine.  Couldn't get it to misfire at all.
>
>Thoughts?

I am not very certain, but it could be the mirror assembly triggering arm of the
self-timer was out of alignment somehow. The same arm is responsible for the
"cheated" MLU with the MX. You may visit Rob's site to see what it looks like. I
don't have the MX anymore so I cannot how you.

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Re: The one that got away

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: The one that got away


On 7/12/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Is it black?
Black vinyl.
Wannabe pro.
William Robb


PESO My type of photographer

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
Well I might as well join the pack, an attempt at a mono image from a really 
severely rear lit *ist D image using a hue adjustment/desaturate layer and 
curves approach:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8928.jpg

Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/400th @ f5 ISO 200

Think "Shuz". Comments welcome.

PS the camera is an SRT101 with Rokkor 50/1.7 

Cheers,


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Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Juan Buhler
Uh, I'm dating a jewish girl, so... thanks.

:-)


On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:24:03 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Now, I'm not asking anyone to "identify themselves" (since after all,
> >it's none of my business), but I know Shel and Boris are Jewish.
> >Can't think of anyone else in this august group who is, but surely
> >there must be more than just two!
> 
> I like chicken soup if that helps ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread J. C. O'Connell
What you want to do is make videos from still photos.
There is software for that but it isnt anywhere near
as sophisticated as powerpoint. Powerpoint has a small
"reader" version that must be installed on a PC
so powerpoint files can run on PCs that don't
have the full powerpoint software.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


Once you create it, can you save it in a file format
that others (that don't have MS Powerpoint) can view
it?  For instance as a Adobe Reader file?  

Also, what I ultimately would like to be able to do,
after it is created, is stick it in a DVD player and
watch in on TV.  Can I do that with Powerpoint?

Thanks again for all of the help!  


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MS-Powerpoint is made just for that!
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show
> w/ music
> 
> 
> Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively inexpensive 
> >software program that can create a
> slide
> >show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> >Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also
> tried searching the
> >archives, but could not find anything.
> >
> >TIA for any help!
> 
> How about freeware?
> Irfanview: http://www.irfanview.net/
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
> 
> 




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Re: Good news

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:20:43 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just had some excellent news. I've had an order in with SRB Film
> services here in the UK for three EOS-K mounts, and they are all done and
> will be with me in a day or two. This means I will be able to use my A*85
> and K15 on the Darkside camera again. I also have the K50 1.2 that I dare
> say young Ryan might like to have a little play with when he arrives here
> later this week for a short stay.
> 
> He'll be seeing a bit of the Cotswolds and some of Oxford this weekend -
> should give us plenty of picture making opps. Will advise.
> 

Don't let him ride your bike.  You'll never get it back in one piece.

And, no drinking beer. 

Okay, you can have a few if you insist - it is a PDML gathering, after all 

have fun,
frank
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 


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Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Steve Pearson
I was hoping to be able to take music from a CD that I
own, and somehow "burn" songs onto a slide
presentation so that when the slide show is played, my
song(s) are playing at the same time.

Is this possible?

--- Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> what do you mean 'with music'? synchronized or free
> running music. there are
> many inexpensive programs if you consider $50
> inexpensive.
> 
> Herb
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax Discussion Board"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: Need software suggestion for slide show w/
> music
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> > inexpensive software program that can create a
> slide
> > show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> > Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also
> tried
> > searching the archives, but could not find
> anything.
> 
> 
> 




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Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/04, Steve Pearson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry, for a PC.

Hey Steve, *I'm* sorry ;-)




Cheers,
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Re: Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Now, I'm not asking anyone to "identify themselves" (since after all,
>it's none of my business), but I know Shel and Boris are Jewish. 
>Can't think of anyone else in this august group who is, but surely
>there must be more than just two!

I like chicken soup if that helps ;-)




Cheers,
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_




Re: PESO: Cliffs Near Hasan's Cave

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:27:46 +0100, Patrick Genovese
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Taken near Hasan's Cave on Malta's Southern coast one very very cold
> Sunday (late) afteroon.  Equipment MZ-S + FA50 1.4 + Tripod - Media Fuji
> Velvia 50
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2941279
> 
> Comments & Critique Welcome.

The clouds make the shot.  I love the pattern they make, with the nice
blue sky in between.

I like the sense of balance between rock, sea and sky;  the cliffs
don't dominate and overwhelm, but rather they give the sky a chance to
"show off" a bit.

Well done.

cheers,
frank


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RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Steve Pearson
Once you create it, can you save it in a file format
that others (that don't have MS Powerpoint) can view
it?  For instance as a Adobe Reader file?  

Also, what I ultimately would like to be able to do,
after it is created, is stick it in a DVD player and
watch in on TV.  Can I do that with Powerpoint?

Thanks again for all of the help!  


--- "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MS-Powerpoint is made just for that!
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show
> w/ music
> 
> 
> Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> >inexpensive software program that can create a
> slide
> >show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> >Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also
> tried searching the 
> >archives, but could not find anything.
> >
> >TIA for any help!
> 
> How about freeware?
> Irfanview: http://www.irfanview.net/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
> 
> 




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Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
what do you mean 'with music'? synchronized or free running music. there are
many inexpensive programs if you consider $50 inexpensive.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discussion Board" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


> Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> inexpensive software program that can create a slide
> show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
> searching the archives, but could not find anything.




Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Steve Pearson
Sorry, for a PC.


--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 7/12/04, Steve Pearson, discombobulated,
> unleashed:
> 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
> >inexpensive software program that can create a
> slide
> >show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
> >Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also
> tried
> >searching the archives, but could not find
> anything.
> 
> Mac or PC?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
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Re: D questions

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
i am 90+% of the time on a tripod. that means compose first and focus later.
just center AF is almost useless for me. i am about 80% AF on focus points
other than the center, 10% on center, and 10% manual.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: D questions


> Center-point autofocus gives you better control over the point of focus.
> I consider multi-point to be primarily a marketing gimmick, and for
> inexperienced users.




Happy Hannukah

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
Okay, it's after sundown here, so I can say it.

Happy Hannukah to all our Jewish PDML'ers and their families.  

Now, I'm not asking anyone to "identify themselves" (since after all,
it's none of my business), but I know Shel and Boris are Jewish. 
Can't think of anyone else in this august group who is, but surely
there must be more than just two!

Anyway, Happy Hannukah to all of you, wherever you are!  

cheers,
frank


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Re: OT - Epson Printer

2004-12-07 Thread Herb Chong
look on the Epson web site. they have 4x6, 5x7, 8x10, and so on, depending
on media.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Epson Printer


> BTW, is paper available in sizes smaller than about 8x10, such as in 5x7
> size?




Re: PESO a couple of wood peckers

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:55:33 -0800, Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just got back this month's film and thought I might post a few that I've
> scanned.
> 
> Pilleated wood pecker
> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/pilleated.jpg
> I had been chasing these guys around all fall when one day i spotted this
> fellow in the apple rite by our front porch. unfortunately the light was
> quite low and this was the only one out of about eight that was acceptably
> crisp.
> 
> Sap sucker. I think.
> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/sap-sucker.jpg
> 
> Critiques more than welcome.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 

Francis,

Both are nice shots.  Too bad (as you said) about the lighting of the
first one, but what can you do?  You're stuck with what nature throws
at you.

As a document of finding and seeing the bird, it'll do just fine.

As a photograph, the second works better for me - love that bokeh...

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO a couple of wood peckers

2004-12-07 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:37:31 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We first saw him in June
> when he was a baby who had only just been kicked out of the nest:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/pages/0680.htm
> Now that he's mostly grown up he looks much more like the bird in your
> photo (just saw him at the feeder this morning).

Hey, Mark,

Was that the one that had Lisa so concerned the evening I was there?

That little fellow cut into our beer-drinking time!  

Actually, that was a great evening, and I must say, you handled the
bird situation very well, doing a laudable job of calming Lisa's
fears. 

cheers,
frank

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Re: FA 20 f2.8

2004-12-07 Thread Rob Studdert
On 7 Dec 2004 at 16:42, William Robb wrote:

> It's just life with super wides on SLR cameras.
> I just got some stuff done with my A15/3.5 which I shot at f/8, and
> there are no corner sharpness issues with it, though wide open, it
> isn't good.
> My A20/2.8 is the same way. Not the sharpest in the corners wide
> open, but very good down a stop or two, and excellent down another
> couple of stops.

I'm in the midst of some tests designed to determine my lens distortions for 
inclusion in a great little shareware distortion correction package (and ps 
plugin too). I've shot the A16/2.8F, A15/3.5, A20/2.8, FA24/2, A24/2.8, Sigma 
A24/2.8 and FA31/1.8 wide open at f5.6 and f16 on a specific test target. From 
these tests I can honestly say that A20/2.8 is a little disappointing compared 
to the A24/2.8 and A15/3.5 for edge performance, the worst of the bunch in this 
area is the FA24/2, it made the Sigma look great.


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UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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RE: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread J. C. O'Connell
MS-Powerpoint is made just for that!
jco

-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 7:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music


Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
>inexpensive software program that can create a slide
>show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
>Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried searching the 
>archives, but could not find anything.
>
>TIA for any help!

How about freeware?
Irfanview: http://www.irfanview.net/


-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
>inexpensive software program that can create a slide
>show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
>Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
>searching the archives, but could not find anything.
>
>TIA for any help!

How about freeware?
Irfanview: http://www.irfanview.net/


-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: MZ-S (a new beginning)

2004-12-07 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:14:37 +0100, Carlos Royo wrote:

> I don't find the shutter release button in the BG-10 to be misplaced,
> at least for my hands.

I agree.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread Tom C
Juan wrote:
Ah, but that "little caveat" is what makes the whole difference. If
you take the Jaguar, the dealer has one less car to sell. If you
duplicate it, maybe even your neighbor will like it, and will go out
and buy a Jaguar for himself, thus benefiting the dealer.
I just don't see that as being likely (maybe I don't understand what you 
mean).  If I steal something, I have no incentive or likely intention to 
purchase it.  If I duplicate something and my neighbor gets it for free, 
they have little incentive to purchase it.  If someone gives me a free 
Jaguar, I won't go purchase one.  Same works for intellectual property.


Just to add my bias to the whole thing, I think corporations in
general are at no risk of suffering much from our doings. If anything,
we need to protect individuals from corporations, and not the other
way around.
In general, I think copyright law has gone out of control, and it is
now something far beyond what it was intended to do.
I agree in general.  I also think the maker of a product has the right to 
make a profit by selling that product.  Any unauthorized distribution of 
that product cuts into potential sales and profits.  Since making a profit 
is just about the only reason a business exists...

Tom C.



Re: OT - Epson Printer

2004-12-07 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:58:11 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> BTW, Doug, did you find the 820 easy to set up and to start printing with?

Yep.  I calibrated my monitor, plugged in the printer, turned it on,
and printed.  The colors were close enough that I didn't mess with
another profile until I started using papers like Ilford Galerie.

> Any problems with it either in set up or over the years?

I don't use it as often and experience more head clogs than before. 
I've never had one I couldn't clear with a handful of passes of the
head cleaning procedure.


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/04, Steve Pearson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
>inexpensive software program that can create a slide
>show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
>Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
>searching the archives, but could not find anything.

Mac or PC?




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Re: OT - Epson Printer

2004-12-07 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:28:36 -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Thanks for your comments.  I DL'd the specs and info on the 820 and several
> other Epson models last night but haven't looked at them yet.

I've been quite pleased with my 820.  Didn't even have to profile it
until I started using "exotic" papers, it was that close out of the box
(once I got my monitor calibrated).

> I sure do understand the "Razor and Blades" marketing concept ;-))  I'd
> probably not even consider using third party inks - certainly not until I
> became familiar and comfortable with the entire printing process.

The biggest problem I have with the low-end printers like the 820 is
that they don't have separate color ink tanks.  The 820 has a cartridge
for black and another for the other five inks (MmCcYk).  The monitor
they provide always shows the levels of the colors to be within a tiny
bit of each other, but I don't believe that.  I think it's just to make
you less upset when you throw away the unused ink in the colors that
aren't lowest. :-)

> Have you tried printing B&W with the 820?

Sorry, I haven't.  It does have black and "light black" inks, though.

> BTW, is paper available in sizes smaller than about 8x10, such as in 5x7
> size?

Yep.  I've seen both 4"x6" and 5"x7".

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Hey you b and w darkroom guys - help!

2004-12-07 Thread pnstenquist
Hi Ann,
I'm not surprised that you're printing on 3 paper if you're using Microdol X. 
While Microdol X yields very fine grain, it's also relatively low contrast. I 
used to use it straight up at 68 degrees for 8 1/2 minutes with Tri-X. I 
frequently printed on 3 paper. When I switched to D-76 1:1 it was a revelation. 
My prints were crisper and punchier with 2 paper. Now I use a cold light and 
multigrade paper. My filter is usually a 1, but the cold light adds contrast to 
multigrade.
Paul


> Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> 
> > Nothing below 3?  Hmmm.
> >
> 
> Not totally true - if it was a really great neg - 2 1/2 did it for me.  But I 
> like contrasty stuff.
> 
> > I'm finding grade 2 with a saturated neg to have a nice quantity of 
> > highlight 
> detail.  Of course having a color head makes things really straight-forward.
> 
> I don't have a color head
> 
> > But it depends on the film as well as the subject being printed.
> 
> Sure.   I don't like too much contrast on  my face... :)
> 
> > That pic I posted of the young lady a few weeks ago -- that was a normal 
> exposure on the film side, normal development, but printing just a bit more 
> than 
> grade 3.
> > http://members.safe-t.net/dpconsult/ashley.jpg
> > I did a grade 2 print as well.  In that she's less distinct from the 
> background but has more detail in the skin tones.  The '3' print on the web 
> did 
> require some burning in for the face.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > C. Brendemuehl
> 
> oooh  a bit too much white in her eye on my monitor...
> really can't get into subtle printing discussions without seeing live prints, 
> of 
> course.
> 
> bEst,
> ann
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:30:05 -0500
> > >From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Hey you b and w darkroom guys - help!
> > >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >
> > >thanks, Colin
> > >This is kinda what I wanted to know... I never liked D-76 for my own stuff 
> and would
> > >have considered less contrast as the developer aged to be a negative (no 
> > >pun) 
> rather than
> > >a positive (I printed almost nothing lower than "3" in my dark room days)
> > >
> > >I just never used Universal for anything but prints.
> > >I love Microdol-x 1:3 for Tri-x but the woman I'm teaching got talked out 
> > >of
> > >getting it by a storekeep when she told him she thought I had told here to 
> get it for prints
> > >(for one thing) He didn't have any, so he didn't want to sim,ply correct 
> > >her 
> - and she didn't
> > >think to call me on cell phone while she was in the store..
> > >i'm trekking out to Long Island tomorrow to give her private lessons.
> > >
> > >Hurray for craigslist! I need the gig!
> > >
> > >ann
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> > >
> > >> B&W has gone through so many stylistic changes in the past
> > >> few years, it's amazing.  Many people I read on NGs shoot an
> > >> extra 1/3 to 1/2 stop of extra saturation and then develop
> > >> normally.  (Personally, I shoot most b&w by the book but add
> > >> about 5% extra time to the processing to bring out the
> > >> highlight detail a bit more.)
> > >>
> > >> Isn't Ilford Universal their ID-11, very similar to or the same as D-76? 
> > >>  
> If so, that class of developer has an interesting characteristic that you 
> might 
> make good use of.  Let it have a day of a little air exposure and turn a 
> little 
> dark.  This will keep contrast under control and give some smoother tones to 
> Tri-X.
> > >>
> > >> But apart from that experiment, just develop normally for a good neg.  
> Tri-X is very forgiving of a few seconds either way.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >>
> > >> C. Brendemuehl
> > >>
> > >> -- Original Message --
> > >> >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:03:11 -0500
> > >> >From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm about to give a woman lessons in film
> > >> >developing --
> > >> >she acquired Ilford Universal developer - she shot
> > >> >tri-x
> > >> >I'm a Microdol 1:3 gal  (ot chemicals in stock
> > >> >chez moi now)
> > >> >
> > >> >(nevermind why we aren't using that for the lesson
> > >> >- long story)
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyway, anyone have preferences for developing
> > >> >times and dilutions for
> > >> >Tri-X ?  Using the Ilford Universal?
> > >> >
> > >> >Would prefer personal experience as opposed to a
> > >> >link on the web.
> > >> >
> > >> >Thanks much!
> > >> >annsan
> > >> >
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
> >
> >
> >
> 



Need software suggestion for slide show w/ music

2004-12-07 Thread Steve Pearson
Does anyone have any suggestions for a relatively
inexpensive software program that can create a slide
show with music?  I can't find it in Photoshop
Elements 2.0 or MS Digital Image Pro v7.0?  Also tried
searching the archives, but could not find anything.

TIA for any help!





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PESO: Cliffs Near Hasan's Cave

2004-12-07 Thread Patrick Genovese
Taken near Hasan's Cave on Malta's Southern coast one very very cold 
Sunday (late) afteroon.  Equipment MZ-S + FA50 1.4 + Tripod - Media Fuji 
Velvia 50

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2941279
Comments & Critique Welcome.
Patrick



Re: Your best M42 mount lenses.

2004-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> Well, I did see an auction pointed out to me with such an adapter, 
>> but
>> the crucial thing is the aperture lever on the back of the lens - 
>> it must
>> be removed as there is no space for it inside the camera body, 
>> despite
>> such a deep, er large throat.
>
>I expect that it would twang the mirror if left in place. I recall 
>the EOS mirrors come quite close to the mount during travel.

Actually Bill, it doesn't get the chance - the lever fouls on the
interior of the throat just inside...




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Re: The one that got away

2004-12-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/12/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Is it black?

Black vinyl.




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Re: Hey you b and w darkroom guys - help!

2004-12-07 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

> Nothing below 3?  Hmmm.
>

Not totally true - if it was a really great neg - 2 1/2 did it for me.  But I 
like contrasty stuff.

> I'm finding grade 2 with a saturated neg to have a nice quantity of highlight 
> detail.  Of course having a color head makes things really straight-forward.

I don't have a color head

> But it depends on the film as well as the subject being printed.

Sure.   I don't like too much contrast on  my face... :)

> That pic I posted of the young lady a few weeks ago -- that was a normal 
> exposure on the film side, normal development, but printing just a bit more 
> than grade 3.
> http://members.safe-t.net/dpconsult/ashley.jpg
> I did a grade 2 print as well.  In that she's less distinct from the 
> background but has more detail in the skin tones.  The '3' print on the web 
> did require some burning in for the face.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> C. Brendemuehl

oooh  a bit too much white in her eye on my monitor...
really can't get into subtle printing discussions without seeing live prints, 
of course.

bEst,
ann


>
>
> -- Original Message --
> >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:30:05 -0500
> >From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Hey you b and w darkroom guys - help!
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >thanks, Colin
> >This is kinda what I wanted to know... I never liked D-76 for my own stuff 
> >and would
> >have considered less contrast as the developer aged to be a negative (no 
> >pun) rather than
> >a positive (I printed almost nothing lower than "3" in my dark room days)
> >
> >I just never used Universal for anything but prints.
> >I love Microdol-x 1:3 for Tri-x but the woman I'm teaching got talked out of
> >getting it by a storekeep when she told him she thought I had told here to 
> >get it for prints
> >(for one thing) He didn't have any, so he didn't want to sim,ply correct her 
> >- and she didn't
> >think to call me on cell phone while she was in the store..
> >i'm trekking out to Long Island tomorrow to give her private lessons.
> >
> >Hurray for craigslist! I need the gig!
> >
> >ann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> >
> >> B&W has gone through so many stylistic changes in the past
> >> few years, it's amazing.  Many people I read on NGs shoot an
> >> extra 1/3 to 1/2 stop of extra saturation and then develop
> >> normally.  (Personally, I shoot most b&w by the book but add
> >> about 5% extra time to the processing to bring out the
> >> highlight detail a bit more.)
> >>
> >> Isn't Ilford Universal their ID-11, very similar to or the same as D-76?  
> >> If so, that class of developer has an interesting characteristic that you 
> >> might make good use of.  Let it have a day of a little air exposure and 
> >> turn a little dark.  This will keep contrast under control and give some 
> >> smoother tones to Tri-X.
> >>
> >> But apart from that experiment, just develop normally for a good neg.  
> >> Tri-X is very forgiving of a few seconds either way.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> C. Brendemuehl
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:03:11 -0500
> >> >From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >
> >> >I'm about to give a woman lessons in film
> >> >developing --
> >> >she acquired Ilford Universal developer - she shot
> >> >tri-x
> >> >I'm a Microdol 1:3 gal  (ot chemicals in stock
> >> >chez moi now)
> >> >
> >> >(nevermind why we aren't using that for the lesson
> >> >- long story)
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, anyone have preferences for developing
> >> >times and dilutions for
> >> >Tri-X ?  Using the Ilford Universal?
> >> >
> >> >Would prefer personal experience as opposed to a
> >> >link on the web.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks much!
> >> >annsan
> >> >
> >
>
>
> 
> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
>
>
>



Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread Juan Buhler
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:04:36 -0700, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't totally agree with these arguments though I undertsand the point
> your making.  Bootlegged copies do represent lost potential sales and lost
> potential income.  Let's take this to another level.  I walk up to a car
> lot, find the keys in the ignition, and drive off with a brand new Jaguar.
> Does that NOT represent a lost sale for the dealer just because I never
> planned on buying it in the first place? Granted, I could not have
> fabricated a like Jaguar by running it through a Car Duplicating Machine,
> but you see the point.

Ah, but that "little caveat" is what makes the whole difference. If
you take the Jaguar, the dealer has one less car to sell. If you
duplicate it, maybe even your neighbor will like it, and will go out
and buy a Jaguar for himself, thus benefiting the dealer.

The point is, copying software is illegal. This is why it shouldn't be
done, and we can forget about whether it is right or wrong. If we want
to go into the details, you have to factor in all the kids with
bootleg copies of Photoshop, Maya or whatever, who learn to master it,
and become a workforce that knows how to use that software. The
companies that hire them will actually buy the software legally. This
phenomenon is good for the software companies, and I wouldn't
underestimate its effect.


> I have thought this (the arguments above) to some degree myself in the past.
>   It's an easy rationalization that one could make in order to justify use
> without a purchase.  "I never would have bought it, so I'm not doing
> anything wrong".  From the seller's standpoint, it's totally different.
> The picture changes totally depending on whether you're the person
> benefiting from the free use or whether you're the person/corporation being
> deprived of income, losing sales, whatever you want to call it.

Just to add my bias to the whole thing, I think corporations in
general are at no risk of suffering much from our doings. If anything,
we need to protect individuals from corporations, and not the other
way around.

In general, I think copyright law has gone out of control, and it is
now something far beyond what it was intended to do.

More thoughts:  http://www.jbuhler.com/license.html

j

-- 
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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog



Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf"
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement


First off Bill, everyone does not steal. There are honest people in
the world.
With computer software, I think the percentage is surprisingly small
though.
Second. How does someone using an unlicensed and unsupported copy
of Photoshop raise the prices of legitimate copies. I would assume
that the folks using the free copies would not pay $600 for it in
any case. They would just use something else.
Some would, some wouldn't.
Those that would buy if theft wasn't easy are lost sales.
There are many folks who are software collectors. They have a copy
of every piece of software they can find. They do not use the
software. They do not need the software. They do not buy the
software. How do they affect Adobe's sales?
Theft is theft. It doesn't really matter what the end use is.
Now both these classes of non-buyers probable brag on having the
latest version of Photoshop and thus influence others to buy the
software accually helping Adobe's profits.
Actually, both classes of non buyers are probably bootlegging cheap
CD's and putting beer money in their own pockets. This helps
Anheuser-Busch, but not Adobe.
Now the people who sell bootleg copies to unsuspecting bargain
hunters do cost Adobe sales and rip off their own customers. They
are plain and simple crooks and should be dealt with accordingly.
Agreed.
The way I always have seen it, is if I need support I will pay for
it by buying the software. Although there have been a few companies
who both sell at a high price and charge extra for support. Most of
them have not lasted long.
So I can steal your truck as long as I don't want you to do tune-ups
on it?
I have quite a lot of stuff up on my website. If you make a copy of
any of it for your own use it does not hurt me in the least. Now if
you put it in a book and sold the book, I probably would take legal
action against you (Hey, I want my split).
Are you running a commercial website? If I steal what I should
rightfully buy, then I am hurting you. OTOH, if you are like me, and
just put random stuff up for people to amuse themselves with,
downloading it is more of a compliment.
Someone stealing merchandize from the store is taking money; the
store had to pay for the merchandize. Someone using intellectual
property that they would not use if they had to pay for it is not
taking anything away from the owner. In fact it could be argued
that they are providing a service. One of the ways you become the
leader is by having more people use your stuff. The more there who
are using it, the more there are who will buy it.

How is software any different from a pair of jeans that way.
Does a ripped off pair of Levi's help Levi Strauss increase market
share?
William Robb



Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Photoshop CS Bargain Basement


I have thought this (the arguments above) to some degree myself in 
the past. It's an easy rationalization that one could make in order 
to justify use without a purchase.  "I never would have bought it, 
so I'm not doing anything wrong".  From the seller's standpoint, 
it's totally different.
The picture changes totally depending on whether you're the person 
benefiting from the free use or whether you're the 
person/corporation being deprived of income, losing sales, whatever 
you want to call it.

A percentage of the freeloaders would buy it if it wasn't possible to 
steal it.
In your scenario with the Jag, the lost sale is if you have the 75 
grand in your pocket to buy the thing, but discover that you can get 
away with stealing it...
Where your scenaio fall apart is that you can't get away with driving 
the stolen Jag on public highways for long, they might just catch 
you.

William Robb 




Re: OT - Epson Printer

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: OT - Epson Printer


Thanks Bill ...
Have thought about the metamerizing issue (that's when the ink 
takes on a
kind of metallic look, right?) and, at least for the onset of this
exploration, it appears as a minor concern.  Mostly I want to learn 
the
process as inexpensively as possible and make smallish prints to be 
used in
greeting cards, CD jackets, and to send to a few select friends and
acquaintances, as well as to see things like grain structure, 
cropping
choices, and other such things.

Have you tried B&W with your Epson?
Metamerizing is the inks taking on a decidely diffeent colour 
depending on the colour of light they are viewed under.
I have done B&W with mine, nothing special, just converting colour to 
B&W using the method you listed on your website and printing them 
using all four inks, rather than just the black ink, which I have 
found makes for pretty harsh contrast.
The results were about what I expected, OK, but not up to my standard 
for B&W.

William Robb 




Re: The one that got away

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: The one that got away


On 7/12/04, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty, the black one is the professional version.
Of course. I knew there was a way of telling. Is that bag that 
comes with
it a pro bag?
Is it black?
William Robb 




Re: Your best M42 mount lenses.

2004-12-07 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: Your best M42 mount lenses.


Well, I did see an auction pointed out to me with such an adapter, 
but
the crucial thing is the aperture lever on the back of the lens - 
it must
be removed as there is no space for it inside the camera body, 
despite
such a deep, er large throat.
I expect that it would twang the mirror if left in place. I recall 
the EOS mirrors come quite close to the mount during travel.

William Robb




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