Re: What's the GFM photo weekend like?

[Cotty]

On 12/12/04, Jon M, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What's it like?

You'd hate it. Seriously. You'd hate all the other photogs. Don't go.





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RE: memory locally

[Paul Ewins]

Now there's a business opportunity - a grafmatic that swaps CF cards :-)

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia

-Original Message-
From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No offense!
A 1GB card gives me about 70 RAW shots.
64MB would give me what, 4? ;-)
And if I shot .TIF, only 1 or 2 per card!
Those little devils are too hard to get
in and out to change very often.

VS: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?

[Jens Bladt]

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 08:45
Til: Jens Bladt
Emne: RE: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


Look:
Create digital images, movies or copies of your 35mm slides with your
digital camera, camcorder, movie camera or 35mm SLR and this professional
slide copier designed and manufactured by SpecialtyPhotographic.com.

*(Click either image for an enlarged view. The image of the cat's face is an
un-retouched image taken from a 35mm slide using this device on a Sony
DSC-F505V camera.)

This copier is designed to work with any camera and lens combination (as
long as your camera allows standard threaded devices to be attached). The
copier screws onto the end of the lens or adapter -- just like a filter --
allowing the camera to produce digital images from traditional 35mm slides.




Perhaps this is the one for *isd D/Ds owners?:
http://store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/slcounpro.html

Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 08:10
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


I have. Well, I tried, but gave it up. The format of the *ist D is simply
too small. I was attempting to use the bellows A and slide copier. You will
only get a crop of the original shot. Perhaps half of the area of the frame.
I'm sure someone is manufacturing slide slide copiers for digital cameras.
Soligor ussed to make one, but I can't seem to find it. But there are
others:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001ISQ16/002-8335359-5501655
?v=glance
or
http://www.shortcourses.com/how/slides/slides.htm

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 07:43
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


I was thinking...

Is it possible to use unmounted film with a slide duplicator?

and, how easy is it to control the magnification?

It would be interesting to use the istD to quickly "scan" B&W film.
Has anyone tried such thing?

j

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blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

RE: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?

[Jens Bladt]

Perhaps this is the one for *isd D/Ds owners?:
http://store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/slcounpro.html

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 08:10
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


I have. Well, I tried, but gave it up. The format of the *ist D is simply
too small. I was attempting to use the bellows A and slide copier. You will
only get a crop of the original shot. Perhaps half of the area of the frame.
I'm sure someone is manufacturing slide slide copiers for digital cameras.
Soligor ussed to make one, but I can't seem to find it. But there are
others:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001ISQ16/002-8335359-5501655
?v=glance
or
http://www.shortcourses.com/how/slides/slides.htm

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 07:43
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


I was thinking...

Is it possible to use unmounted film with a slide duplicator?

and, how easy is it to control the magnification?

It would be interesting to use the istD to quickly "scan" B&W film.
Has anyone tried such thing?

j

--
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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

RE: Lens question

[Jens Bladt]

SMC-M lenses (M meaning compact design) are for shutter autoamtics. They are
designed for K- and M-bodies.
SMC- A lenses (have electronic contacts) are for cameras that has Aperture
Automatics and Program Automatics (the camera kan choose shutterspeed AND
Aperture, when lens is set to "A"). They are designed for A, P and PZ and
MZ- bodies and will work (most fuctions) with *ist bodies, of which three
has been made - up till today (*ist, *istD, *ist Ds).
Look at: http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/

Jens

Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Gateway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 03:29
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Lens question




I see that some people refer to M or A type lenses. I assumed that that
meant they were auto or manual but seemingly not.

What does it stand for?

I was looking for a 28/3.5 but apparently one is better than the other.

if anybdoy has any thoguths on the 28/3.5 they would be appreciated also.

Gareth
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RE: DA40/2.8 news

[Jens Bladt]

Intersting. It look like the old 40mm pancake lens. Funny focal length -
like 60mm on a 35mm camera.
I would prefere a 16mm.


Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 08:09
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: DA40/2.8 news


Pentax just confirmed that this lens will be available in January 2005. It
will be a
DSLR only lens, not full frame. Spec. includes 9 aperture blades, quick
shift focus
system, 15mm thick, aluminium alloy body & hood, focus down to 0.4m, takes
30.5mm
filter via adaptor, 90g. Price unknown.

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/lens/2004/12/13/619.html

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RE: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?

[Jens Bladt]

I have. Well, I tried, but gave it up. The format of the *ist D is simply
too small. I was attempting to use the bellows A and slide copier. You will
only get a crop of the original shot. Perhaps half of the area of the frame.
I'm sure someone is manufacturing slide slide copiers for digital cameras.
Soligor ussed to make one, but I can't seem to find it. But there are
others:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001ISQ16/002-8335359-5501655
?v=glance
or
http://www.shortcourses.com/how/slides/slides.htm

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. december 2004 07:43
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?


I was thinking...

Is it possible to use unmounted film with a slide duplicator?

and, how easy is it to control the magnification?

It would be interesting to use the istD to quickly "scan" B&W film.
Has anyone tried such thing?

j

--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

DA40/2.8 news

[Alan Chan]

Pentax just confirmed that this lens will be available in January 2005. It will 
be a
DSLR only lens, not full frame. Spec. includes 9 aperture blades, quick shift 
focus
system, 15mm thick, aluminium alloy body & hood, focus down to 0.4m, takes 
30.5mm
filter via adaptor, 90g. Price unknown.

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/lens/2004/12/13/619.html

=
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan



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Re: Tablets

[Peter J. Alling]

Close enough for government work...
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling"
Subject: Re: Tablets

You can still pay taxes in the US after you die...

I know that your estate might have to pay taxes, but thats not quite 
the same thing as doing it yourself.

William Robb


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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

ist D + slide duplicator + Tri X?

[Juan Buhler]

I was thinking...

Is it possible to use unmounted film with a slide duplicator?

and, how easy is it to control the magnification?

It would be interesting to use the istD to quickly "scan" B&W film.
Has anyone tried such thing?

j

-- 
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

Re: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH

[Juan Buhler]

That sounds similar to my experience. I got abour 900 shots from the
set that came with the camera, and a set of lithium AAs was good for
only about 350 shots.

I don't use the flash, but also, I usually forget to turn the camera
off. I have it set to go to sleep after 5 minutes. Can this be part of
the problem?

j


On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:56:03 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am yet to try Lithiums. I got about 300 shots from the set of
> batteries that came with the camera. Then I decide to put them in the
> fridge for backup. Then I bought 2000 MAh and 2300 MAh NiMH
> rechargeables. However, after about 50 shots without flash the
> indicator showed half full. Then I turned camera off and on and it
> became full again...
> 
> I'll report in later what comes out of this.
> 
> Slightly battery challenged in Israel... :)
> 
> Boris
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 


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blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

RE: Lens question

[Butch Black]

I see that some people refer to M or A type lenses. I assumed that that
meant they were auto or manual but seemingly not.

What does it stand for?

I was looking for a 28/3.5 but apparently one is better than the other.

if anybody has any thoughts on the 28/3.5 they would be appreciated also.

Gareth

Pentax made 3 "series" of manual focus bayonet mount lenses. The original
SMCP generally referred to as the K. Then came the M series which were
usually smaller then the K's. The A series added electrical contacts and an
A setting which allowed the camera to set the aperture in various settings.
Often, but not exclusively, the K's were considered the best built with the
best feel, followed by the M's, with a lot of members not caring for the
build feel of many of the A lenses. Some optical designs stayed the same
between series, some did not. Boz's and Stan's sites are good sources of
info on the various lenses.

I have one of the K 28/3.5 which is highly regarded for it's lack of
distortion. It has worked well for me but as I don't shoot a lot of 35mm
wide angle I usually prefer the K35/3.5, another of the considered
exceptional lenses.

Butch

Re: The film is dead

[David Mann]

On Dec 13, 2004, at 2:11 PM, Mishka wrote:
oh, btw, mac is dead too.
Bummer.  I just ordered a new film scanner to use with my Mac.
Cheers,
- Dave the friendly ghost
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH

[Rob Studdert]

On 13 Dec 2004 at 6:56, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I am yet to try Lithiums. I got about 300 shots from the set of
> batteries that came with the camera. Then I decide to put them in the
> fridge for backup. Then I bought 2000 MAh and 2300 MAh NiMH
> rechargeables. However, after about 50 shots without flash the
> indicator showed half full. Then I turned camera off and on and it
> became full again...
> 
> I'll report in later what comes out of this.

Unfortunately your experiences aren't unique, the battery indicator on the *ist 
D is next to useless when used to report the state of rechargable cells. Shoot 
until the batteries are exhausted, it will let you know in no uncertain terms 
when that is :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: It is also in Belgium...

[David Mann]

On Dec 13, 2004, at 7:08 AM, Thibs wrote:
...since at least two whole week in my usual store.
It was announced here recently but my local store didn't have any in 
stock when I was there in the weekend.  The NZ importers underestimated 
the demand...

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: What's the GFM photo weekend like?

[Bill Owens]

If you enjoy nature photography, good fellowship with fellow PDML'ers and 
interesting programs by famous professional nature photographers, then it's 
the place for you.  IIRC you are in Cullowhee so you're definitely close 
enough.  They will begin accepting reservations effective 1-1-05 and it will 
sell out quickly, so get your reservation in early at:

http://www.grandfather.com/events/nphoto.htm
Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "Jon M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: What's the GFM photo weekend like?


I saw mention of it in another recent message. I
joined this list right before the previous GFM
weekend, and thus missed it.
It's not too far from where I'm at, and I know the
area. But is this an event I'd enjoy? What's it like?
I'm tempted to go to this one.

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Re: Lens question

[John Francis]

Butch Black mused:
> 
> Often, but not exclusively, the K's were considered the best built with the
> best feel, followed by the M's, with a lot of members not caring for the
> build feel of many of the A lenses.

I've not commented on this before, but I've always had my doubts.  So the
other day, when I had occasion to mount my A50mm/f1.4 on the *ist-D, I took
a few extra minutes to take a critical look at how the lens behaves.

I must say I find it hard to fault the feel of the lens when focussing.
There's enough resistance to feel the lens will stay focussed where it is
set, but not so much that it's in any way difficult to adjust.  There's
no slop at all in the focussing ring - just a silky smooth movement.

Maybe the complaints are about the way the aperture ring moves; I don't
use lens-mounted controls on the *ist-D (or on the PZ-1p), so I can't
address this point.  And even on the MZ-S I'm far more likely to use
shutter priority, and leave any lens set to the "A" position.

Or maybe I was just lucky, and I've got a very good example of this lens.
I've certainly never regretted picking it up to supplement the f1.7 I had.

Re: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

I am yet to try Lithiums. I got about 300 shots from the set of
batteries that came with the camera. Then I decide to put them in the
fridge for backup. Then I bought 2000 MAh and 2300 MAh NiMH
rechargeables. However, after about 50 shots without flash the
indicator showed half full. Then I turned camera off and on and it
became full again...

I'll report in later what comes out of this.

Slightly battery challenged in Israel... :)

Boris
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

re: Z1 grip

[Butch Black]

Any idea where to find an FDP grip? Seems hard to find on Ebay.

BTW, didn't someone come up with a home made battery grip for his Z1? I 
could be much interested.

try this url;

http://www.wdcamengineering.com/pentax.htm

Butch

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[John Francis]

Shel Belinkoff mused:
> 
> I wonder if the Adobe DNG can be used here - convert the istds file to dng
> and go from there?
> 
> The situation really does hoover 
> 
> Shel 

The DNG converter currently doesn't handle *ist-DS files, either.

I'd expect a Camera Raw update and a DNG update to come out at much
the same time; I'd guess there's more than a little shared development.

Re: ist DS in the UK

[John Francis]

mike wilson mused:
> 
> HI,
> 
> Saw the beastie today in the local(ish) Jessops.

The Fry's ad in the Sunday Mercury News includes the *ist-DS
($997, including the 18-55 lens).

(For those of you not familiar with Fry's, it's a chain that
caters mainly to the geek community.  It carries a broad line
of merchandise, from computer hardware and software to TVs,
household electronics, and junk food.

The sales staff have a (well-deserved) reputation for rudeness,
and for questionable ethical standards when pushing merchandise.
But sometimes their prices are hard to match.  I was in there on
Saturday to pick up an external USB/Firewire enclosure so that I
can get my old image disk back online - I haven't been able to
access them since the old computer died more than a year ago
(I don't want to mount the disk in the newer computer, because
I have reservations about the airflow in the case with two disks).
While I was there I also picked up a copy of PhotoShop elements 3.
The prices were $60 and $50 respectively (after a $20 rebate).

Re: Z1 grip

[Butch Black]

Does anyone know how to contact WPCamEngineering? The address on the site
won't go for us.
- Original Message - 
From: "Trevor Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: Z1 grip

When I clicked on the link at the bottom of the page, 3 URL's came up. The
second and 3rd kept bouncing. Try just sending it to the earthlink address.
I don't know if they will answer, but at least the e-mail didn't bounce
right back to me.

Butch


> http://www.wdcamengineering.com/pentax.htm

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Shel Belinkoff]

I wonder if the Adobe DNG can be used here - convert the istds file to dng
and go from there?

The situation really does hoover 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 7:37:46 PM
> Subject: Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS
>
> On 12 Dec 2004 at 19:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > Oh, I'd not noticed that Fred was talking about an istDs ... bummer!
>
> Yep, let's hope all the Digicam manufactures see sense and adopt DNG or 
> something along those lines. The current situation is ridiculous.

What's the GFM photo weekend like?

[Jon M]

I saw mention of it in another recent message. I
joined this list right before the previous GFM
weekend, and thus missed it. 

It's not too far from where I'm at, and I know the
area. But is this an event I'd enjoy? What's it like?

I'm tempted to go to this one.



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Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 19:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Oh, I'd not noticed that Fred was talking about an istDs ... bummer!

Yep, let's hope all the Digicam manufactures see sense and adopt DNG or 
something along those lines. The current situation is ridiculous.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Paul Stenquist]

You're right. PEF files will open without going to the browser. I've  
just become so accustomed to doing it that way that I forgot. The  
problem here seems to be that these are *istDS files rather than *istD  
files. The CS support for these is apparently not yet available.
Paul
On Dec 12, 2004, at 10:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Hi Paul,
I've been opening your RAW images and NEF (Nikon) in\mages without  
using
the browser, just by clicking on the file.  However, I may have set my  
file
associations to allow this automatically.  Still, if opening from  
WITHIN
Photoshop there should be no problem.  However, Fred, take note, if  
you've
not updated your camera raw with the latest version from Adobe, the  
ACR may
not recognize the PEF files.  You might want to download ACR 2.3 if  
you've
not already done so, and also check to see that the needed files are in
their proper folders.  All this can be found here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html.  Also here

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx? 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.3bb6a85c.3bb5b
2e0 (Which is the Adobe User-to-User forum (which is HIGHLY  
recommended)

Shel

[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12/12/2004 6:56:49 PM
Subject: Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS
If you're using PhotoShop CS, you have to open the RAW images in the
browser. You can get into the browser by clicking on the icon  of the
file folder and magnifying glass that you'll find on the top bar.
Paul
On Dec 12, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Fred Widall wrote:
I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.
I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'
Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
unsupported in Photoshop ?
Thanks.
- 
-
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
- 
-

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Shel Belinkoff]

Oh, I'd not noticed that Fred was talking about an istDs ... bummer!

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 7:15:57 PM
> Subject: Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS
>
> On 12 Dec 2004 at 20:58, Fred Widall wrote:
>
> > I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.
> > 
> > I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
> > and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
> > the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'
> > 
> > Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
> > unsupported in Photoshop ?
>
> It's not listed as supported in the current documentation and it's
definitely a 
> different format to that produced by the *ist D. The perils of early
adoption I 
> guess.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 20:58, Fred Widall wrote:

> I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.
> 
> I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
> and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
> the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'
> 
> Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
> unsupported in Photoshop ?

It's not listed as supported in the current documentation and it's definitely a 
different format to that produced by the *ist D. The perils of early adoption I 
guess.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Paul,

I've been opening your RAW images and NEF (Nikon) in\mages without using
the browser, just by clicking on the file.  However, I may have set my file
associations to allow this automatically.  Still, if opening from WITHIN
Photoshop there should be no problem.  However, Fred, take note, if you've
not updated your camera raw with the latest version from Adobe, the ACR may
not recognize the PEF files.  You might want to download ACR 2.3 if you've
not already done so, and also check to see that the needed files are in
their proper folders.  All this can be found here: 
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html.  Also here 

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.3bb6a85c.3bb5b
2e0 (Which is the Adobe User-to-User forum (which is HIGHLY recommended)

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 6:56:49 PM
> Subject: Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS
>
> If you're using PhotoShop CS, you have to open the RAW images in the 
> browser. You can get into the browser by clicking on the icon  of the 
> file folder and magnifying glass that you'll find on the top bar.
> Paul
> On Dec 12, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Fred Widall wrote:
>
> > I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.
> >
> > I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
> > and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
> > the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
> > unsupported in Photoshop ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --
> >  Fred Widall,
> >  Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
> > --
> >

Re: *ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Paul Stenquist]

If you're using PhotoShop CS, you have to open the RAW images in the 
browser. You can get into the browser by clicking on the icon  of the 
file folder and magnifying glass that you'll find on the top bar.
Paul
On Dec 12, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Fred Widall wrote:

I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.
I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'
Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
unsupported in Photoshop ?
Thanks.
--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
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*ist-DS RAW format and Photoshop CS

[Fred Widall]

I'm unable to open the RAW files from my *ist-DS in photoshop.

I've tried using both Adobe's 'Photoshop Camera RAW 2.3'
and the Pentax Photoshop plugin but neiter of them recognise
the RAW file. I can open the files in Pentax's 'PHOTO Laboratory'

Am I doing something wrong, or is the *ist_DS RAW format currently
unsupported in Photoshop ?

Thanks.
--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
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Re: memory locally

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

At 19:14 2004.12.12 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:18:58 -0600
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
- Original Message -
From: "Collin R Brendemuehl"
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:05 PM
>
> 64 meg CF are not $18.
>
So what are they?
HAR!!!
WW
Doh!
"You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the 
relationship the greater the impact."
Howard Hendricks

Re: Lens question

[Paul Stenquist]

M lenses are the compact series that was released for the MX, ME and 
the like. The A series lenses have contacts to communicate aperture to 
the camera. They followed on the heels of the M series. You might also 
have heard people speak of the K series or SMC Pentax lenses. These 
were released following the development of the first Pentax bayonet 
mount cameras, including the K1000. I believe the consensus has it that 
the SMC Pentax 28/3.5  (K series) is the best of the 28/3.5 lenses, but 
opinions may varay. . By the way, the M and A series all carry the 
letter designation, as in SMC Pentax-M or SMC Pentax-A. The K series 
lenses are marked only with SMC Pentax. Hope this helps a bit
Paul
On Dec 12, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Gateway wrote:


I see that some people refer to M or A type lenses. I assumed that that
meant they were auto or manual but seemingly not.
What does it stand for?
I was looking for a 28/3.5 but apparently one is better than the other.
if anybdoy has any thoguths on the 28/3.5 they would be appreciated 
also.

Gareth
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RE: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Jerry in Houston]

<<> Who needs a shift lens if you have photoshop? I 
never use mine 
> (28mm)
> anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the 
negs, right?

Some of us still prefer to "get it right" on film (or 
sensor), and limit the amount of Photoshop
manipulation we do.There are some problems inherent in
correcting verticals in Photoshop as well.

William Robb>>

Whether it be film or digital I try to get the very
best exposure in the camera that I can.  I think it is
best to start with the best and limit the
manipulations to try and "save" it.  Yes, I have PS7. 
Also, I don't always know what the ultimate use of the
image will be, so again I try and get the best angle,
lighting, exposure, etc. that I can so I will have a
good baseline image to start with, no matter how I
ultimately use the image.

Jerry in Houston 
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Re: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gateway"
Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!


Is buying and selling allowed here? Sorry, not trying to be snotty 
(although
that comes quite naturally) but there a re a couple of lenses I've 
been
looking for and was afraid to post here for fear of incurring the 
wrath of
the posters.

Don't worry about incurring anyones wrath, it's not like anyone can 
reach out and pop you for saying something wrong.
Heck, I have a little hobby of trying to incur various peoples' 
wrath.

Seriously, we have "For Sale Fridays", (Please put "FS" in the 
subject line), and I am pretty sure you can ask anytime.

William Robb 

Lens question

[Gateway]

I see that some people refer to M or A type lenses. I assumed that that
meant they were auto or manual but seemingly not.

What does it stand for?

I was looking for a 28/3.5 but apparently one is better than the other.

if anybdoy has any thoguths on the 28/3.5 they would be appreciated also.

Gareth
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Re: *istD + Grip + DA 16-45 + FA* 80-200/2.8... Worth 1700 euro?

[John Munro]

Gianfranco,
Concerning the Pentax FA 80~200 f/2.8 and the Sigma EX 80~200 f/2.8 my experience with 
both says the Pentax has superior construction, but the Sigma optics produced images
that were better for my taste. I recommend you shoot both and decide by what you see rather
than arbitrarily keeping one and selling the other.

Good Luck!!!

RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Gateway]

Is buying and selling allowed here? Sorry, not trying to be snotty (although
that comes quite naturally) but there a re a couple of lenses I've been
looking for and was afraid to post here for fear of incurring the wrath of
the posters.

Gareth


-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!


I wouldn't have taken a penny less than 130.00  feel better?  Sorry we
missed connections on that, I'd have loved to have sold it to you.
Regardless, you're gonna like the lens.

Shel


> [Original Message]
> From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm pretty sure I did Shel, I've been looking for a while.
> Oh well, just tell me you wanted over $128.99 and make me
> feel good. ;-)
>
> Don
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> >
> >
> > Gee, did you post here that you were looking for one?  I've a couple and
> > have been wanting to sell one for quite some time, but never got around
to
> > it.  In any case, you're gonna like the lens.  "tis a bit big, but it's
> > quite nice ... ;-))
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 12/12/2004 4:13:21 PM
> > > Subject: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> > >
> > > It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
> > > one lens that's eluded me.
> > > A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
> > > If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
> > > my D now has a 'normal" lens.
> > > I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
> > > 52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!
> > >
> > > Don
> >
> >




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RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Don Sanderson]

That's outrageous!
I wouldn't have paid more than 129.99! ;-)
Actually I bid very high to be sure to get it,
it's the one (semi-affordable) lens I've been
drooling over.
I really want an autofocus 80-200/2.8 someday but
I need to start saving for a trip to GFM to meet
all of you wild and wacky folks this summer.
IF I can get the time off, IF my damn health lets
me, and a zillion other IF's.

Don


> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
>
>
> I wouldn't have taken a penny less than 130.00  feel better?  Sorry we
> missed connections on that, I'd have loved to have sold it to you.
> Regardless, you're gonna like the lens.
>
> Shel
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I'm pretty sure I did Shel, I've been looking for a while.
> > Oh well, just tell me you wanted over $128.99 and make me
> > feel good. ;-)
> >
> > Don
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:21 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Gee, did you post here that you were looking for one?  I've a
> couple and
> > > have been wanting to sell one for quite some time, but never
> got around
> to
> > > it.  In any case, you're gonna like the lens.  "tis a bit
> big, but it's
> > > quite nice ... ;-))
> > >
> > > Shel
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 12/12/2004 4:13:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> > > >
> > > > It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
> > > > one lens that's eluded me.
> > > > A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
> > > > If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
> > > > my D now has a 'normal" lens.
> > > > I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
> > > > 52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!
> > > >
> > > > Don
> > >
> > >
>
>

RE: memory locally

[Don Sanderson]

No offense!
A 1GB card gives me about 70 RAW shots.
64MB would give me what, 4? ;-)
And if I shot .TIF, only 1 or 2 per card!
Those little devils are too hard to get
in and out to change very often.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: memory locally
>
>
> At 19:14 2004.12.12 -0500, you wrote:
> >Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:05:57 -0600
> >From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Nice offer but since all you evil people (you know who
> >you are)talked me into shooting RAW, 64MB is sorta like
> >using sheet film! ;-)
> >
> >Don
>
> Hey! I resemble that remark!
> (iow, I shoot sheet film and my Canon A50 digital, when I put in a 512Meg
> CF card
> says 999 and won't display a higher number.  So I use 120Meg
> cards for 367
> shots/card.)
>
> CRB
>
>
> "You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The
> closer the
> relationship the greater the impact."
> Howard Hendricks
>

RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Shel Belinkoff]

I wouldn't have taken a penny less than 130.00  feel better?  Sorry we
missed connections on that, I'd have loved to have sold it to you. 
Regardless, you're gonna like the lens.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm pretty sure I did Shel, I've been looking for a while.
> Oh well, just tell me you wanted over $128.99 and make me
> feel good. ;-)
>
> Don
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:21 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> >
> >
> > Gee, did you post here that you were looking for one?  I've a couple and
> > have been wanting to sell one for quite some time, but never got around
to
> > it.  In any case, you're gonna like the lens.  "tis a bit big, but it's
> > quite nice ... ;-))
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 12/12/2004 4:13:21 PM
> > > Subject: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> > >
> > > It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
> > > one lens that's eluded me.
> > > A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
> > > If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
> > > my D now has a 'normal" lens.
> > > I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
> > > 52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!
> > >
> > > Don
> >
> >

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Shel Belinkoff]

Agreed 100% on that  especially in B&W ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> instance sometimes I think people make too much out of the need to
preserve 
> shadow detail :-)

RE: memory locally

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

At 19:14 2004.12.12 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:05:57 -0600
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nice offer but since all you evil people (you know who
you are)talked me into shooting RAW, 64MB is sorta like
using sheet film! ;-)
Don
Hey! I resemble that remark!
(iow, I shoot sheet film and my Canon A50 digital, when I put in a 512Meg 
CF card
says 999 and won't display a higher number.  So I use 120Meg cards for 367 
shots/card.)

CRB
"You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the 
relationship the greater the impact."
Howard Hendricks

Re: Fw: The film is dead

[Mishka]

oh, btw, mac is dead too.


On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:45 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Schneider"
> Subject: The film is dead
> 
> >
> > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/quest/q04.html?
> >
> >
> 
> Pretty much a rehash of the same old drivel.
> 
> William Robb
> 
>

Re: Fw: The film is dead

[Mishka]

just how many times can the film die? 

should someone just drive up to kodak hq with a six-shooter 
and a load of silver bullets and put an end to all of this 
(so that we could happily shood fuji for ever after)?

mishka

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:45 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Schneider"
> Subject: The film is dead
> 
> >
> > http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/quest/q04.html?
> >
> >
> 
> Pretty much a rehash of the same old drivel.
> 
> William Robb
> 
>

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Mishka]

There is little point in setting the white balance if one shoots raw (other
than convenience, and even that, not neccessarily the case)

Mishka


On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:30:47 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix
> >something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film that
> >matters..
> 
> Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
> preferring to fix it later ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
>

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Mishka]

That of course, and also even ding pc in PS sometimes significantly degrades
the image. Of course, this is, probably, of little consequence to those who
think 50ppi prints are "great" :)

best,
Mishka


On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:09:06 +0100, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perspective correction is doable, but if you use the t/s to achieve
> more DOF, you're out of luck with PS.
> Jostein
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift
> 
> > Who needs a shift lens if you have photoshop? I never use mine
> > (28mm)
> > anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> >
> >
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sendt: 12. december 2004 22:40
> > Til: Feroze
> > Emne: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift
> >
> >
> >> Whats the general opinion of the above lens, compared to the
> >> Pentax version...
> >
> > Well, there really ~isn't~ a Pentax version, is there?
> >
> > 28mm is not the same as 35mm.
> >
> > Shift is not the same as tilt and shift.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>

RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Don Sanderson]

I'm pretty sure I did Shel, I've been looking for a while.
Oh well, just tell me you wanted over $128.99 and make me
feel good. ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:21 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
>
>
> Gee, did you post here that you were looking for one?  I've a couple and
> have been wanting to sell one for quite some time, but never got around to
> it.  In any case, you're gonna like the lens.  "tis a bit big, but it's
> quite nice ... ;-))
>
> Shel
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 12/12/2004 4:13:21 PM
> > Subject: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
> >
> > It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
> > one lens that's eluded me.
> > A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
> > If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
> > my D now has a 'normal" lens.
> > I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
> > 52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!
> >
> > Don
>
>

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Bob Blakely]

Get it as close to "right" in the first place, and you'll ALWAYS have more 
to play with if you need to later.

Regards,
Bob...
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix
something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film that
matters..
Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
preferring to fix it later ;-)

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Bob Blakely]

Out here in Caleefornia our Gubenator, Arnold, say's "Dahhh, dat's for girly 
boys."

Regards,
Bob...
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 12/12/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:
How 'bout fixing White Balance in the RAW converter, though?
Dahhh, that's for girls.

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 16:07, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> There's rarely time for using such things when photographing people and
> changing environments.  Not to pick on you, Rob, but I really think too
> many people make to big a deal out of making a simple exposure.

I certainly don't use my cal tools for every exposure, but if you need 
consistency they can't be beat especially for on-going projects where 
situations may change but results must remain constant. All POVs are valid for 
instance sometimes I think people make too much out of the need to preserve 
shadow detail :-)

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: ist DS in the UK

[Steve Jolly]

Sometime UK PDMLer Billy Abbott has bought one - don't know if he's 
still subscribed?  He was supposed to bring it to a pub to let me fondle 
it, but the monkeys stole his legs (he claims) and he never made it.

S
mike wilson wrote:
HI,
Saw the beastie today in the local(ish) Jessops.  Which is not bad, as 
they never had the D in that I saw.  In fact, I've only ever seen one 
for sale in any of the camera shops around here.

It's a dinky little beast.  £799 with 18-55(?)  Didn't have much time to 
even give it a good looking at, never mind ask to play with it - though 
every time I've done that with a digital, the batteries have been 
flat..

mike

RE: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Shel Belinkoff]

Gee, did you post here that you were looking for one?  I've a couple and
have been wanting to sell one for quite some time, but never got around to
it.  In any case, you're gonna like the lens.  "tis a bit big, but it's
quite nice ... ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 4:13:21 PM
> Subject: Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!
>
> It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
> one lens that's eluded me.
> A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
> If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
> my D now has a 'normal" lens.
> I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
> 52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!
>
> Don

Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Shel Belinkoff]

Juan wrote:

>I do like the old look of this one. The only thing that bothers me is
>the short shutter speed, which shows in the water and gives ot away. I
>took the liberty of doing a quick and dirty pass at blurring it:
>
>http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=imgp2489c0xb.jpg

I really think this makes the scene look fake.  In order for the water to
be blurred like that the shutter speed would have to be slow enough to show
some motion blur in the wheel and the water dripping from it.

Anyway, if nothing else, we've seen many ways to interpret a photo, all of
which have some merit.

This has been a good exercise and, perhaps, a good learning experience fore
all involved and for those looking on.  Thanks to Rob for putting up the
action and Jostein for a good photo with which to experiment.

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Bob Blakely]

Using a lens to match the job maximizes the final quality. When you use 
Photoshop to do the job, you end up loosing resolution at one end. For me, 
35 mm is too small for me to give up any more than absolutely necessary. 
This lens has been worth it's weight in gold for shots made in cathedrals. 
Further, I like seeing what I'm going to get in the viewfinder.

Regards,
Bob...
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Who needs a shift lens if you have photoshop? I never use mine (28mm)
anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?
Fra: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whats the general opinion of the above lens, compared to the
Pentax version...
Well, there really ~isn't~ a Pentax version, is there?
28mm is not the same as 35mm.
Shift is not the same as tilt and shift.

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't think it's surprising or ironic that the digital workflow is 
predominant here. It is exactly that in the entire photographic world. 
I'm not sure that I'm totally pleased with that, but I've accepted it 
as a reality. Even the labs are printing film digitally. You have to 
look long and hard to get a true optical print these days. In a year or 
two, you won't be able to get one unless  you do it yourself. In five 
years, there will be a "film forum" on PhotoNet. Eventually, it will be 
merged with the classic cameras forum. Am I pleased that things are 
going that way? Not necessarily, but I'm a realist. I know that I can 
continue to shoot some film as a hobby, but that will be probably be 
the extent of it.
On Dec 12, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Well, he did say "even if you shoot film you still scan the negatives 
..."

Not everyone who shoots film scans the negs ...
Still, the comment reflects, imo, the digital workflow mind set which, 
all
too often, seems to be predominant.

Shel

[Original Message]
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12/12/2004 2:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
My-o-my ... The "fix it in Photoshop" serpent once again rears its 
ugly
head.

It's better to get your photos right at the time of exposure, not
everyone
uses Photoshop, and plenty of people don't scan negs, but, rather, 
make
prints directly from them.  Sheesh, Jens, your's is a short sighted
perspective ;-))

Shel --
Well, he *did* say "IF..."

- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Who needs a shift lens if you have Photoshop? I never use mine
(28mm)
anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Bob Blakely]

Correction:
There really ~isn't~ an Arsat version of the Pentax. POV.
Regards,
Bob...
From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Whats the general opinion of the above lens, compared to the
Pentax version...
Well, there really ~isn't~ a Pentax version, is there?
28mm is not the same as 35mm.
Shift is not the same as tilt and shift.

Finally, I scored a K35/2 !!!

[Don Sanderson]

It's taken nearly a year but I finally got  the
one lens that's eluded me.
A gen-yoo-wine SMCP 35/2!
If it's 1/2 as good as everyone says it is
my D now has a 'normal" lens.
I like the K 35/3.5 a lot but it's a bit slow.
52 equiv. at f:2, yeah!

Don

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Shel Belinkoff]

There's rarely time for using such things when photographing people and
changing environments.  Not to pick on you, Rob, but I really think too
many people make to big a deal out of making a simple exposure.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Well the thread had taken a digital twist but in any case a gray step or
colour 
> card could also be beneficial to colour or B&W print film shooters and
slide 
> shooters who intend to scan, they are to me anyhow.

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Mark Roberts]

Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>From: "Cotty" 
>>> 
>>> Look, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour
>>
>>Arguments are down the hall, second door on the right.
>
>Right. This is abuse.

Either that or Getting Hit On the Head Lessons.
Sometimes it's hard to tell...

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Shel Belinkoff]

Well, he did say "even if you shoot film you still scan the negatives ..."

Not everyone who shoots film scans the negs ...

Still, the comment reflects, imo, the digital workflow mind set which, all
too often, seems to be predominant.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 2:55:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift
>
> Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > My-o-my ... The "fix it in Photoshop" serpent once again rears its ugly
> > head.
> > 
> > It's better to get your photos right at the time of exposure, not
everyone
> > uses Photoshop, and plenty of people don't scan negs, but, rather, make
> > prints directly from them.  Sheesh, Jens, your's is a short sighted
> > perspective ;-))
>
>
> Shel --
>
> Well, he *did* say "IF..."
>
>
>
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > > > Who needs a shift lens if you have Photoshop? I never use mine
(28mm)
> > > > anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
>

pdml@pdml.net

[Otis Wright]

I agree.  I place an order or two with them each month and they have 
always been helpful and deliveries have been timely---sometimes 
amazingly so.  Don't remember any unannounced late deliveries.  I have 
found goods arrive well packed.  I don't recall any DOA events.  

Otis Wright
Cotty wrote:
On 12/12/04, Peter Smekal, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

Hi all,
just wanted to hear your opinion about B&H. Is their service comparable
with KEH's (which I think is very, very good when it comes to reliability,
speed, friendlyness and the like)?
Peter, Sweden
   

I have purchased from B and H quite a few times now - and they have been
excellent. Sometimes I buy and they send to me here in England, other
times I buy and they send to my friend in NY, or she pops in and
collects. If they ship to an address that is not the billing address,
they require more security checks but that is admirable.
Get past the typical New Yorker 'yeah waddya want' approach and they're
great. I even crack jokes with them and they laugh just like real people ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I went for an older look but I had to mess about with the "film 
curve" to preserve the detail in the roof shingles, I guess it lies 
between Josteins version (which looks like a very early pic and is a 
bit too saturated in the highlights for me) and yours which looks 
like it's circa 50's?:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/imgp2489c.jpg
I tried Rob's action straight from the can, but it didn't cut it 
for this
pic as far as I was concerned.
I did design it to be interactive :-)
I've done some more quick conversions myself, some worked some 
didn't and some
that did work never would have made it to print as colour images, 
they were
essentially record shots or particularly bad exposures for one 
reason or
another, so I'm happy:

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3895.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3895gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3855.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3855gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3770.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP3770gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4026.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4026gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4067.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4067gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4074.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4074gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4600.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4600gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4548.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP4548gs.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP5544.jpg
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/IMGP5544gs.jpg
Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Jostein]

Perspective correction is doable, but if you use the t/s to achieve 
more DOF, you're out of luck with PS.
Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift


Who needs a shift lens if you have photoshop? I never use mine 
(28mm)
anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. december 2004 22:40
Til: Feroze
Emne: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

Whats the general opinion of the above lens, compared to the
Pentax version...
Well, there really ~isn't~ a Pentax version, is there?
28mm is not the same as 35mm.
Shift is not the same as tilt and shift.
Fred

Re: Z1 grip

[mike wilson]

I had an email from them recently but I think I was on my machine at 
work.  Will post the address tomorrow.

mike
Hal & Sandra Davis wrote:
Does anyone know how to contact WPCamEngineering? The address on the site
won't go for us.
- Original Message - 
From: "Trevor Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: Z1 grip


http://www.wdcamengineering.com/pentax.htm
Try This
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Australia
-Original Message-
From: Thibs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 10:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Z1 grip
Any idea where to find an FDP grip? Seems hard to find on Ebay.
BTW, didn't someone come up with a home made battery grip for his Z1? I
could be much interested.
---
Thibouille

RE: memory locally

[Don Sanderson]

Nice offer but since all you evil people (you know who
you are)talked me into shooting RAW, 64MB is sorta like
using sheet film! ;-)

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: memory locally
> 
> 
> WalMart is closing out their small memory modules.
> 32 meg SDs are now $10
> and
> 64 meg CF are not $18.
> (before tax/shpg, not marked up by me.)
> 
> Anyone interested?
> 
> Collin
> "You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The 
> closer the 
> relationship the greater the impact."
> Howard Hendricks
> 

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 22:44, Cotty wrote:

> On 13/12/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >> Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
> >> preferring to fix it later ;-)
> >
> >But you can when shooting RAW especially if you use a Greytag reference
> white 
> >card :-)
> 
> But if you have mixed lighting why not use the ol gray matter reference
> system and a bit of skill and sort it out there and then?

Depends if you are shooting a jewellery catalogue or a church service doesn't 
it?

:-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Juan Buhler]

Hi Rob,

Excellent action, thanks!  I've been playing a bit with it, although I
don't have much to add to what other have already said. I do like the
blurring effect though, I think it adds to the vintage look.

j

-- 
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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Cotty]

On 13/12/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
>> preferring to fix it later ;-)
>
>But you can when shooting RAW especially if you use a Greytag reference
white 
>card :-)

But if you have mixed lighting why not use the ol gray matter reference
system and a bit of skill and sort it out there and then?

:-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: memory locally

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Collin R Brendemuehl" 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: memory locally


64 meg CF are not $18.
So what are they?
HAR!!!
WW

Re: Unsubscribe

[Cotty]

On 13/12/04, Andrew Thornton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Andrew Thornton
>phone 8222-5436


Doug, I think this is a hint for you 



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Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Juan Buhler]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:36:13 +1000, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I went for an older look but I had to mess about with the "film curve" to 
> preserve the detail in the roof shingles, I guess it lies between Josteins 
> version (which looks like a very early pic and is a bit too saturated in the 
> highlights for me) and yours which looks like it's circa 50's?:
> 
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/imgp2489c.jpg

I do like the old look of this one. The only thing that bothers me is
the short shutter speed, which shows in the water and gives ot away. I
took the liberty of doing a quick and dirty pass at blurring it:

http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=imgp2489c0xb.jpg

:-)

j


-- 
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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

Re: *ist D - Exposure issues - lenses other than A

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 18:19, Chris Niesmertelny wrote:

> I broke out some non-A lenses to play with on the *ist D today and ran them 
> thru
> some exposure tests.  When pressing the green button in moderate to good 
> light,
> it seems to be giving accurate exposures when the lens is stopped to f5 or
> larger.  When stopped down further than this, it often actually shortens the
> time value, significantly underexposing the image.  It seems to give only
> accurate readings when the time value is .3 seconds or shorter; anything where
> the actual exposure should be longer than this will not be exposed correctly 
> by
> the camera, and in fact it will not set a time value slower than 1.5 seconds
> when even common sense indicates it should be a 3 or more second exposure.  
> Has
> anyone else suffered this problem?  I've done the basic stuff, checked the 
> lens
> for defects (used all my non-A lenses, for example), cleaned the contacts on 
> the
> camera, checked the program function.  It's maddening.  Any feedback would be
> appreciated.  I'm dreading sending this off to service.  Perhaps I've 
> forgotten
> something in the operation?

Two things to consider, firstly you have to be working within the cameras 
metering sensitivity, working with stop-down metering vs open aperture limits 
the range somewhat. Secondly when metering in stop down mode light entering at 
the finder may cause a significant effect on metering.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Feroze]

in my case its a bit more practical than that, I charge a measly 30 bucks a 
pack shot. If I spent twice the amount
of time doing one shot then I would have to double my price. I just prefer 
getting it right the first time, whether its the exposure, composition, 
focus, DOFwhy's there never enough time to do it but always enough time 
to re-do it

Later
Feroze

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift


On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix
something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film that
matters..
Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
preferring to fix it later ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Mark Roberts]

"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From: "Cotty" 
>> 
>> Look, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour
>
>Arguments are down the hall, second door on the right.

Right. This is abuse.

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: *ist D - Exposure issues - lenses other than A

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Niesmertelny"
Subject: *ist D - Exposure issues - lenses other than A


When pressing the green button in moderate to
good light, it seems to be giving accurate exposures when the lens 
is
stopped to f5 or larger.  When stopped down further than this, it 
often
actually shortens the time value, significantly underexposing the 
image.  It
seems to give only accurate readings when the time value is .3 
seconds or
shorter; anything where the actual exposure should be longer than 
this will
not be exposed correctly by the camera, and in fact it will not set 
a time
value slower than 1.5 seconds when even common sense indicates it 
should be
a 3 or more second exposure.  Has anyone else suffered this 
problem?  I've
done the basic stuff, checked the lens for defects (used all my 
non-A
lenses, for example), cleaned the contacts on the camera, checked 
the
program function.  It's maddening.  Any feedback would be 
appreciated.  I'm
dreading sending this off to service.  Perhaps I've forgotten 
something in
the operation?
You are most likely running out of sensitivity on the meter.
William Robb 

Re: quick question about protective filters

[Alan Chan]

--- Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For those of you who like to keep UV filters on your lenses for protection,
> is there any difference between the Pentax SMC filters and, say, the B&W or
> Hoya multi-coated filters?

If you mean the multicoated only, I have found PENTAX SMC is slighty better than
HOYA SUPER HMC which is much better than their original HMC. However, since 
SUPER
HMC is as expensive as SMC, you might just go for SMC if possible. PENTAX 
filters
also have thinner and higher quality rims. Don't know about B+W MRC, but their 
rims
are thick.

=
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[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe


On 13/12/04, Andrew Thornton, discombobulated, unleashed:
Andrew Thornton
phone 8222-5436

Doug, I think this is a hint for you 
Better phone the boy and find out for sure.
William Robb

*ist D - Exposure issues - lenses other than A

[Chris Niesmertelny]

I broke out some non-A lenses to play with on the *ist D today and ran them
thru some exposure tests.  When pressing the green button in moderate to
good light, it seems to be giving accurate exposures when the lens is
stopped to f5 or larger.  When stopped down further than this, it often
actually shortens the time value, significantly underexposing the image.  It
seems to give only accurate readings when the time value is .3 seconds or
shorter; anything where the actual exposure should be longer than this will
not be exposed correctly by the camera, and in fact it will not set a time
value slower than 1.5 seconds when even common sense indicates it should be
a 3 or more second exposure.  Has anyone else suffered this problem?  I've
done the basic stuff, checked the lens for defects (used all my non-A
lenses, for example), cleaned the contacts on the camera, checked the
program function.  It's maddening.  Any feedback would be appreciated.  I'm
dreading sending this off to service.  Perhaps I've forgotten something in
the operation?

Best regards,
Chris Niesmertelny

"Digital Or Film", by Herbert Keppler

[Jack Davis]

The "List",
Recommend Herbert Kepler's "Digital Or Film" article
in Jan '05 Pop Photo.
Practical, realistic approach with references to both
Pentax *ist's.
I find Herb a consistently good read.

Jack





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Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift


Look, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour
Arguments are down the hall, second door on the right.
William Robb

Re: *istD auto focus woes

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


An old rule of thumb used to be, that the DOF lies 1/3 behind and 
2/3 ahead
of the focusing distance. So I guess a little behind is perhaps 
better than
a little ahead :-).

Here's an example of what I mean, shot with FA*400/5.6.
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/501943/display/2142488
I focused on the eye, but as you can see, the eye is at the very back 
of acceptable focus, while the entire beak is sharp. I wouldn't mind 
the camera to select a slightly more forward point of focus.

Jostein 

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 22:59, Cotty wrote:

> On 13/12/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Depends if you are shooting a jewellery catalogue or a church service
> doesn't 
> >it?
> 
> Look, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour

...or shooting whilst standing on a foot wide traffic island between several 
lanes of lunatic drivers :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I went for an older look but I had to mess about with the "film 
curve" to preserve the
detail in the roof shingles, I guess it lies between Josteins 
version
(which looks like a very early pic and is a bit too saturated in the 
highlights
for me) and yours which looks like it's circa 50's?:
When I made my version, I had the mill's history in mind. It was built 
around 1900, iirc, and was in use until 1930. I don't know if it's 
entirely correct from a history POV to sepia-tone a pic from this era, 
but I suppose there's a certain chance that yellowing would occur if 
it was a print from that era...:-)

I know from my grandfather's photos from that age that even the 6x9 
negs of Agfa film had visible grain. When I look through both my 
grandfathers' albums, I also frequently see very high-contrast prints.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/imgp2489c.jpg
I certainly see that it can be done better than my attempt. I think I 
liked Rob's better than Shel's for being closer to my idea about an 
old look, but it's a b/w newbie speaking here anyway...:-)

I should probably stick to colour, but it's an interesting excersise!
Jostein

RE: AF adapters

[Jack Davis]

Jerry in Houston,
That's disgusting. ;))
Good for you! Browsing camera shops is one of my
favorite indoor sports.

Jack 
--- Jerry in Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I lucked out on my AF 1.7X adapter finding it NIB
> for
> $20 on the clearance table at a local camera shop
> which was going out of business.  I snapped it up
> and
> use it often it works very well
> 
> Jerry in Houston
> 
> 




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[Collin R Brendemuehl]

WalMart is closing out their small memory modules.
32 meg SDs are now $10
and
64 meg CF are not $18.
(before tax/shpg, not marked up by me.)
Anyone interested?
Collin
"You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the 
relationship the greater the impact."
Howard Hendricks

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Cotty]

On 13/12/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Depends if you are shooting a jewellery catalogue or a church service
doesn't 
>it?

Look, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Cotty]

On 12/12/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>How 'bout fixing White Balance in the RAW converter, though?

Dahhh, that's for girls.

D'oh!



Cheers,
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Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 14:44, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> It's ironic how many comments reflect the use of digital cameras and
> workflow, and color work   The rest of the photographic world will
> just have to muddle along using a different set of techniques.

Well the thread had taken a digital twist but in any case a gray step or colour 
card could also be beneficial to colour or B&W print film shooters and slide 
shooters who intend to scan, they are to me anyhow.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Z1 grip

[mike wilson]

Here it is
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The link on the site brings up three addresses - you should choose one 8-)
Hal & Sandra Davis wrote:
Does anyone know how to contact WPCamEngineering? The address on the site
won't go for us.
- Original Message - 
From: "Trevor Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: Z1 grip


http://www.wdcamengineering.com/pentax.htm
Try This
Hooroo.
Regards, Trevor
Australia
-Original Message-
From: Thibs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 10:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Z1 grip
Any idea where to find an FDP grip? Seems hard to find on Ebay.
BTW, didn't someone come up with a home made battery grip for his Z1? I
could be much interested.
---
Thibouille

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[ernreed2]

Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> My-o-my ... The "fix it in Photoshop" serpent once again rears its ugly
> head.
> 
> It's better to get your photos right at the time of exposure, not everyone
> uses Photoshop, and plenty of people don't scan negs, but, rather, make
> prints directly from them.  Sheesh, Jens, your's is a short sighted
> perspective ;-))


Shel --

Well, he *did* say "IF..."



> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > > Who needs a shift lens if you have Photoshop? I never use mine (28mm)
> > > anymore. Even if you shoot film, you still scan the negs, right?
> 
> 
> 

RE: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH

[Nick Clark]

I got 999 shots from my first set of CRV3s and about 1300 from the second set. 
As I have periods when I don't use the camera I don't bother with 
rechargeables. I want to make sure it's ready for use when I need it.

Nick

-Original Message-
From: "George Sinos"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 12/12/04 20:53:37
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH
  
I bought a three sets of rechargeable NiMH batteries when I bought the istD 
and that's what I've always used.  At the same time I tossed a set of 
Lithium AAs into the camera bag just in case.  They have a very long shelf 
life and you never know when you just might need them.

The lithium cells I had put in my camera bag are almost a year old, so I 
decided to use them and drop a fresh set in the camera bag.

I'm a bit surprised at the life of the lithium batteries compared to the 
NiMh rechargeables, although I'm not sure why.  It's pretty much along the 
predictions in the owner's manual.

I consistently get around 400-500 shots from a fully charged set of 
NiMH's.  The indicator starts showing half-full about 200-300 shots.  This 
set of lithium's has just over 500 shots and the indicator hasn't budged 
from full.

Last night was the neighborhood holiday lighting event.  I was wandering 
about the neighborhood taking pictures of the lights.  50 or so exposures 
of 1/4 to 1 second with the noise reduction turned on for good measure.  I 
expected to need a battery change somewhere along the way.  Again, the 
battery indicator hasn't budged from full.

Given this experience I might be tempted, when on short trips, to just 
carry two or three sets of the lithium batteries, and not carry the battery 
charger.  Is this consistent with what others have experienced?

See you later, gs

--
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Re: OT PS Vintage photo phun

[Shel Belinkoff]

The look I was going for was a bit older than the fifties, but was doing it
from memory of a couple of early photos instead of actually looking at them
before starting work on the photo.

The interactive aspect of your action is quite helpful and, of course, did
not go unnoticed.

Your version looks just too flat and muddy to these old eyes, Jostein's too
fried in the highlights.  But, the nice thing about it all is that the
process lends itself to plenty of interpretations.

I'll have to look at the other pics later.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I went for an older look but I had to mess about with the "film curve" to
preserve the detail in the roof shingles, I guess it lies between Josteins
version (which looks like a very early pic and is a bit too saturated in
the highlights for me) and yours which looks like it's circa 50's?:
>
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/imgp2489c.jpg
>
> > I tried Rob's action straight from the can, but it didn't cut it for
this
> > pic as far as I was concerned.
>
> I did design it to be interactive :-)
>
> I've done some more quick conversions myself, some worked some didn't and
some 
> that did work never would have made it to print as colour images, they
were 
> essentially record shots or particularly bad exposures for one reason or 
> another, so I'm happy:

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[ernreed2]

Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix 
> >something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film that 
> >matters..
> 
> Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
> preferring to fix it later ;-)


How 'bout fixing White Balance in the RAW converter, though?

ERNR

Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Shel Belinkoff]

It's ironic how many comments reflect the use of digital cameras and
workflow, and color work   The rest of the photographic world will
just have to muddle along using a different set of techniques.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 12/12/2004 2:40:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift
>
> On 12 Dec 2004 at 22:30, Cotty wrote:
>
> > On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> > >Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix 
> > >something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film
that 
> > >matters..
> > 
> > Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
> > preferring to fix it later ;-)
>
> But you can when shooting RAW especially if you use a Greytag reference
white 
> card :-)
>
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: istD Lithium battery vs. NiMH

[Graywolf]

Shelf life of non-rechargable lithium batteries is about 10 years, so you don't 
have to replace them quite every year.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

George Sinos wrote:
I bought a three sets of rechargeable NiMH batteries when I bought the 
istD and that's what I've always used.  At the same time I tossed a set 
of Lithium AAs into the camera bag just in case.  They have a very long 
shelf life and you never know when you just might need them.

The lithium cells I had put in my camera bag are almost a year old, so I 
decided to use them and drop a fresh set in the camera bag.

I'm a bit surprised at the life of the lithium batteries compared to the 
NiMh rechargeables, although I'm not sure why.  It's pretty much along 
the predictions in the owner's manual.

I consistently get around 400-500 shots from a fully charged set of 
NiMH's.  The indicator starts showing half-full about 200-300 shots.  
This set of lithium's has just over 500 shots and the indicator hasn't 
budged from full.

Last night was the neighborhood holiday lighting event.  I was wandering 
about the neighborhood taking pictures of the lights.  50 or so 
exposures of 1/4 to 1 second with the noise reduction turned on for good 
measure.  I expected to need a battery change somewhere along the way.  
Again, the battery indicator hasn't budged from full.

Given this experience I might be tempted, when on short trips, to just 
carry two or three sets of the lithium batteries, and not carry the 
battery charger.  Is this consistent with what others have experienced?

See you later, gs
--
George Sinos
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://georgesoptions.net
Photos:   http://georgesphotos.net
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Re: *istD + Grip + DA 16-45 + FA* 80-200/2.8... Worth 1700 euro?

[Rüdiger Neumann]

Hallo
that is a super price. The value of the 80-200 is alone 900 Euro.
The 16-45 is new 450, the grip 150 Euro.
The used *istD is 800-900 Euro.

I have both, the Sigma 2.8/70-200 and the Pentax 2.8/80-200.
The Sigma weight is 500 g less and a bit faster with the AF.
But the picture quality is far better from the FA*.
There is nearly no difference between the FA open and stopped
down to 8 at the *istD.
The Sigma has the same qualtity a 4 as the Pentax at 2.8.

Go for it, sell the sigma for 400 Euro on Ebay and you have the
perfect kit.

Regards
Rüdiger



- Original Message - 
From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:32 PM
Subject: *istD + Grip + DA 16-45 + FA* 80-200/2.8... Worth 1700 euro?


> Hi everybody,
>
> The usual dilemma...
>
> I've been thinking to buy another digital body for the last
> couple of months. Suddenly this deal appears: a *istD body with
> 4000 shots done, the grip and a mint DA 16-45, all with cases
> and still under warranty. There is also this bonus added: a well
> used but not abused FA* 80-200/2.8 (that I don't really need,
> having the Sigma EX already, but...). The prices for the single
> pieces are not really interesting (if not a bit high), but the
> whole would make for a possible bargain at EURO 1700.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Gianfranco
>
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Re: Arsat f2.8 35mm tilt and shift

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 22:30, Cotty wrote:

> On 13/12/04, Feroze, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Not everything can be "fixed" in photoshop. Scanning the negs to fix 
> >something is not the issue, its getting the shot right on the film that 
> >matters..
> 
> Which always tickles me when people say that they ignore white balance,
> preferring to fix it later ;-)

But you can when shooting RAW especially if you use a Greytag reference white 
card :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

pdml@pdml.net

[Rob Studdert]

On 12 Dec 2004 at 17:04, Peter Smekal wrote:

> Hi all,
> just wanted to hear your opinion about B&H. Is their service comparable
> with KEH's (which I think is very, very good when it comes to reliability,
> speed, friendlyness and the like)?

They are honest but dogged and inflexible. I've purchased over the counter and 
via mail order (web) over quite a few years however a recent experience left me 
a little irritated. I purchased some goods using their on-line order system via 
the credit card I have always used with them both over the counter and on-line.

Recently in the case of international purchases they suggest that for first 
time purchases on a card they require a copy of that card front and back. Since 
I had used this particular card previously and there had been no address 
changes in all the years I had been purchasing off them I assumed the card and 
my details had been deemed OK. 

I was wrong. They happily debited my card on the day of the purchase but 
wouldn't ship the goods until I sent them images of my card even after I had 
produced details of their own sales dockets confirming the use of the card and 
my address. So I eventually relented but I don't appreciate them having a copy 
of my card and neither do my card providers.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998