Re: 67 Lens to Pentax 35mm K-Mount Body Adapter

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> I am new to this email list, but I have found it highly entertaining.  I have 
> a quick question.  Has anyone used the 67 Lens to Pentax 35mm K-Mount Body 
> Adapter?  Is there any degradation in quality using a 67 lens compared to a 
> 35mm lens on a 35mm camera?  In other words, what are the disadvantages to 
> using a 67 lens on a 35mm camera (or even the *ist D)?
 
It's much larger (and heavier) than a lens of the same focal
length designed for the smaller image circle.

You lose automatic aperture operation.

As a general rule a lens designed for the 67 won't have the
resolving power of one designed for 35mm.


> Village Idiot
> 
> PS  How do you pronounce *ist?


I don't.

Re: eekBay Nice Glass Streak!

[Thibouille]

Bad for us, maybe not that bad for Pentax ...


On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:34:04 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tan and Steve"
> Subject: RE: eekBay Nice Glass Streak!
> 
> >
> > Yeah, but providing WE are the sellers, then who are we to
> > complain?! ;)
> 
> It's called inflation.
> It's a bad thing.
> 
> William Robb
> 
> 


-- 

Thibouille

Re: eekBay Nice Glass Streak!

[David Savage]

Pentax won't be making anything much on overpriced second hand lenses though.

Dave S


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:00:45 +0100, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bad for us, maybe not that bad for Pentax ...
> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:34:04 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Tan and Steve"
> > Subject: RE: eekBay Nice Glass Streak!
> >
> > >
> > > Yeah, but providing WE are the sellers, then who are we to
> > > complain?! ;)
> >
> > It's called inflation.
> > It's a bad thing.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Thibouille
> 
>

Re: Another Venue for Enablement

[Peter Smekal]

Hhhmmm ... how did you get registered? ... just curious
Peter

>So, a few years ago, in the pursuit of a different hobby, I managed,
>through a lot of trial-and-error, to get registered on Yahoo! Japan
>Auctions (I speak no Japanese). Shortly after getting my DS I decided
>to see what Pentax stuff was there. Oops! Within a week I had bid on
>and won a beautiful mint black 77mm Limited (it arrived yesterday -
>what a gorgeous lens). Anyway, in the spirit of sharing, I thought I 'd
>provide links to the Pentax lens listings for anyone interested in
>seeing what's available and what's considered valuable there (forgive
>me if this is already common knowledge).
>
>Text list:
>
>http://list3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/2084044794-category-leaf.html
>
>With thumbnail pics:
>
>http://list3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/2084044794-category-leaf.html?
>f=&alocale=0jp&mode=1
>
>Camera and accessories:
>
>http://list3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/2084044787-category-leaf.html?
>f=&alocale=0jp&mode=1
>
>Enjoy! (heh, heh, heh...)
>
>-Marco

Re: 67 Lens to Pentax 35mm K-Mount Body Adapter

[Rob Studdert]

On 16 Mar 2005 at 6:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am new to this email list, but I have found it highly entertaining.  I have 
> a
> quick question.

Welcome :-)

> Has anyone used the 67 Lens to Pentax 35mm K-Mount Body
> Adapter?

Yes, many moons ago.

> Is there any degradation in quality using a 67 lens compared to a 35mm
> lens on a 35mm camera?

No degradation except that many of the P67 lenses aren't as good as their 35mm 
equivalent focal lengths WRT sharpness, CA, vignetting and constancy across the 
frame may be better however.

> In other words, what are the disadvantages to using a 67
> lens on a 35mm camera (or even the *ist D)?

Apart from the optical issues there is no AF, they are huge and bulky relative 
to their 35mm equivalents and they must be operated in stop-down meter/shooting 
modes as the adaptor offers no aperture activation coupling between the lens 
and the body.

It was fine 20years ago when I couldn't afford FL for 67 and 35mm but I 
wouldn't entertain the thought now. Current 35mm lenses are generally much 
better performers than the now aging 67 line-up (however I haven't tested any 
of the newer lenses as I sold off all my 67 gear late 2000)

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/mfv35lenstest/

Cheers,




Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: 67 Lens to Pentax 35mm K-Mount Body Adapter

[Rob Studdert]

On 16 Mar 2005 at 18:09, pentax-discuss@pdml.net wrote:

> No degradation except that many of the P67 lenses aren't as good as their 35mm
> equivalent focal lengths WRT sharpness, CA, vignetting and constancy across 
> the
> frame may be better however.

Sorry done it again, should read.

No degradation except that many of the P67 lenses aren't as good as their 35mm 
equivalent focal lengths WRT sharpness. 

CA, vignetting and constancy across the frame may be better however.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Peso, Something simple

[Peter Lacus]

Marnie,
Uh. I wasn't wild about the gray, but the black is too dark. Those leaves 
glow, the background doesn't need to be flat black to show they glow. 
actually, the background isn't flat black but unfortunately not much was 
 left in these areas probably because of compression. I had to burn it 
more than I'd like to.

You can try it for yourself - all I wanted to do in Photoshop was:
1. select gray areas with the magic wand
2. adjust levels to about 140-255
but then the compression artifacts showed up badly. So I had to move the 
lower mark up to 165.

Actually, I'd what I'd like an interpretation of is that interpretation 
statement.
Sometimes I don't understand everything I read from this list but this 
is too much. :-O While I understand every word I don't understand it at 
all. Would it be possible to "translate" this sentence to the "English 
for dummies", please? :-)

My mother tongue is Slovak, in the various schools I've learned Russian 
and French (not that I'm good at both of them, sadly) but my English is 
entirely self taught so far.

Cheers,
Bedo.

Re: How much do you have invested in your camera equipment ??

[Thibouille]

I dunno exactly really, escpecially since I buy essentially from Ebay.
But 5 bodies, 14 primes and a couple zooms seem honest enough to me.

And Yes, my wife does look at me a strange way when I say I'd buy
something more LOL


On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:38:32 -0500 (EST), Fred Widall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The discussion regarding who would buy the new D645 made me wonder how
> much you folk spend on your career/hobby/addiction.
> 
> I consider photography my main hobby, but being on the fugual side of
> miserly, I calculate that my total expenditure for equipment over the past
> twenty  years is approx. US$4000. Take away my two digital cameras
> (*istDS & Optio 33LF) and its closer to US$2500. Of course I don't
> make my living at this, nor do I consider myself an expert photographer,
> but I do have fun with the equipment I have.
> 
> I think I can confidently say that I will not be buying a D645 !!
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> --
>  Fred Widall,
>  Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
> --
> 
> 


-- 

Thibouille

Takumar aperture calibration ?

[Niko Koskela]

I have disassembled a SMC-Takumar 1:1.4 50mm for deep cleaning. When 
putting it together i repeatedly end up with the same problem. The 
aperture ring turns normally, but turning the aperture ring from f11 to 
f16 doesn´t have any effect on the aperture. I have not been able to 
find a way to correct this. "Googling" for this problem only found me a 
couple of referrals to "aperture calibration", but not any instructions 
to do it. Could anyone help me ?

Cheers, Niko

RE: 18.6 MP 645 announcement

[Jens Bladt]

As some of you may recall, I'm not at all surprised! This was expected.
Pentax must support it's MF costumers/camera-/lens- and accessories line-up.
The surprising part is that they haven't done this a long time ago - like
Rollei, Mamiya, Hasselblad.

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Larry Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 16. marts 2005 00:10
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: 18.6 MP 645 announcement


Per The Luminous-Landscape.com,  Pentax has just announced an 18.6 Megapixel
645 Digital Camera !

Larry in Prescott


http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/index.shtml

A couple lens opinions wanted.

[Thibouille]

I saw:

A sigma 70-210 at 70 euros and a 100-300 at 95 euros in a shop. Of
course these are probably DC versions but are they acceptable lenses ?

What would be the value of an FA 50mm 1.7 and a M 50mm 1.4 ?
Consider selling but not sure yet ...
 

Thibouille

RE: 18.6 MP 645 announcement

[Jens Bladt]

Congratulations Pentax!
It will sell! I'm sure a thourough market survey is what took Pentax so
long. I'm sure they know what they're doing :-) - which is probably why
they're still in business! I just hope it doesn't take Pentax a year to
bring this to the market - or worse - that it's facing the same desteny as
the MZ-D!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 16. marts 2005 00:57
Til: pentax list
Emne: Re: 18.6 MP 645 announcement


On 16/3/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed:

>where is the flurry of activity? 1000 messages telling "it won't sell"
>"it will sell" et cetera? Speculations?

You're looking in the wrong thread Fra




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Another Venue for Enablement

[Marco Alpert]

On Mar 15, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Peter Smekal wrote:
Hhhmmm ... how did you get registered? ... just curious
Persistence. For those interested in actually registering and bidding, 
the following may be of help.

   -Marco
===
- You do not have to live in Japan to register as a user. Some 
persistent trial and error with a web translator will do the trick.

- Although most auctions specify "Seller will not ship 
internationally," in fact, many will if you ask them politely in 
Japanese (close to 80% of the sellers I ask say yes).

- "Yikes!" you may be thinking, "How do I ask in Japanese?" Well, with 
the help of a Japanese-speaking friend, I created a communication 
construction kit that will handle virtually all of the communications 
necessary to bid, win and negotiate the payment and delivery of an 
item. You can find it here:

http://www.alpert.com/yahoo_auction_kit.html
You'll need to have your browser set up to display Japanese characters 
to
see it properly.

- Pretty much everyone who says yes will accept an International Postal 
Money Order for payment.

A note on translating the registration pages: Page-based translators 
won't work on pages that require log-in or are generated by scripts. 
(this includes the later pages you will encounter in the auction 
registration process). For those sorts of pages you have to manually 
paste the hunks of text into a text translator. The one I use is here:

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/text/
Paste the Japanese characters into the left hand box, click the bottom 
of the two sets of characters with an arrow in the middle box (that 
selects Japanese to English translation), and click the button with the 
orange border. The translated text will appear in the right hand box.

Also, don't try inputting your data into a page displayed in a page 
translator. Keep two browser windows open: one the original Japanese 
page and the other the translated page. Read from the translated page, 
but enter your data into the original page.

There's a fair amount of trail and error involved (especially when you 
get to the pages where you input an address and other assorted stuff), 
but persistence will pay off.

One thing to keep in mind is that you have to have a credit card # on 
file with them in order to bid. They charge the card about $2.90 a 
month for months in which you make bids. This was supposed to increase 
security for auction participants, but personally I think it was a 
response to Yahoo!'s then-sagging revenues.

Re: Takumar aperture calibration ?

[Rob Studdert]

On 16 Mar 2005 at 9:16, Niko Koskela wrote:

> I have disassembled a SMC-Takumar 1:1.4 50mm for deep cleaning. When 
> putting it together i repeatedly end up with the same problem. The 
> aperture ring turns normally, but turning the aperture ring from f11 to 
> f16 doesn´t have any effect on the aperture. I have not been able to 
> find a way to correct this. "Googling" for this problem only found me a 
> couple of referrals to "aperture calibration", but not any instructions 
> to do it. Could anyone help me ?

I don't know about this particular lens but if you removed the aperture mech 
from the lens body for immersion cleaning then you need to make sure that it 
was returned and secured in precisely the same position. If the aperture mech 
is rotated to a different point then the aperture may not fully close or fully 
open. If you didn't mark the position during disassembly then you may have to 
experiment in order to determine the correct position, unfortunately this 
requires a tortuous loop of assembly, testing and disassembly :-(


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Takumar aperture calibration ?

[Niko Koskela]

I did not remove the aperture mech from the lens body. But i already am 
in that tortuous loop  ;)

Niko

RE: How much do you have invested in your camera equipment ??

[Malcolm Smith]

Fred Widall wrote:

> The discussion regarding who would buy the new D645 made me 
> wonder how much you folk spend on your career/hobby/addiction.
> 
> I consider photography my main hobby, but being on the fugual 
> side of miserly, I calculate that my total expenditure for 
> equipment over the past twenty  years is approx. US$4000. 
> Take away my two digital cameras (*istDS & Optio 33LF) and 
> its closer to US$2500. Of course I don't make my living at 
> this, nor do I consider myself an expert photographer, but I 
> do have fun with the equipment I have.
> 
> I think I can confidently say that I will not be buying a D645 !!
> 
> Just curious.

The PDML can be a dangerous place for enablement or at least I have found so
in the last five years or so, but it has been fun. I went from two 35mm
cameras to three formats and fourteen bodies from 2000 to late 2003. Then we
had a long string here on how often the cameras/equipment were used and I
began to wonder if I had become a collector or was I a hobby photographer. I
put a six month rule on all equipment (except prime lenses) and if it wasn't
used regularly enough, it was sold. A lot has gone and not one of the
purchases I made I regret, as it has given me the opportunity to try things
out. Can't say that much of a financial loss in doing so was involved
either, which is more than can be said for many hobbies. It did establish
the fact that every time I went out I wanted an LX to take with me, so why
keep the other cameras? In 1999 I had two cameras and my wife had one. As of
now, we have two each. Most of my equipment is used at least weekly, the
cameras are used nearly every other day and any new purchase really has to
pass the 'I need that' test, before I buy it. I'm happier now than at any
time with my photography and my equipment - it's taken a few years, but I
know what I want to do and what I really need to go and do it with. I also
know what I don't need now, but if I hadn't had the chance to buy and use
some of these cameras, I would always have been left with an element of
doubt. How much have I spent? I really haven't kept a tally, but I suspect
it's much the same overall as it was a couple of years ago. Some of my
photographs/slides/jpegs are priceless though and I'll happily bet yours are
too.

Malcolm  

Re: How much do you have invested in your camera equipment ??

[Bob W]

Hi,

Wednesday, March 16, 2005, 2:38:32 AM, Fred wrote:

> The discussion regarding who would buy the new D645 made me wonder how
> much you folk spend on your career/hobby/addiction.

People might want to think twice about publishing the value of their
equipment on a list for every burglar on the internet to read. Knowing
most people's names, and roughly where you live, it wouldn't be
difficult to find your address and come and do a bit of 'shopping'.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: Re: New member intro

[dagt]

> fra: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mat Maessen"
> Subject: Re: New member intro
> 
> 
> > Thanks to the list I have a pair of beat-up MXen with a pair of
> > beat-up 50/1.7 lenses.
> > I swear, it's a disease...
> 
> When I joined this list, I had an LX, a K1000 and a half dozen
> lenses, a 6x7 and 4 lenses, and a Tachihara and three lenses.
> I have lost count of how many camera bodies I have. At least 3 LX, a
> couple of ME supers, an MX and an istD for sure, I know there is a
> bag of them in the basement, I don't know what anymore, and probably
> 40 lenses. I have aquired every viewfinder available for the LX
> except for the FA-2, which I am looking for, and have added 4 more
> lenses to my 6x7 kit and another lens to the view camera kit.
> 
> I just swear a lot these days.

H, maybe I should unsubscribe before it is too late.  

I've just bought *istD, M-40 2.8, M-135 3.5 (sold again) A*-135 1.8, DA14mm, 
FA50mm 1.4 and FA100 2.8 macro, but I've just been here a couple of years.  
Before I that the only Pentax lens I had bought the previous 10 years was a 
used A20 2.8

DagT

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The quote is from the movie Cool Hand Luke, and was made by made by
Strother Martin in his role as the captain of a road crew.

Shel 

And it became a catch phrase for a whole generation. Not a bad movie, either.

Marnie 

Re: *istDS review on PhotoNet

[John Forbes]

The reviewer comes across as an extremely opinionated character on the  
Leica list, and he was very dismissive of Pentax when somebody (perhaps  
you, Paul) suggested he give Pentax a try.

So, in view of that, his review was quite a turnaround.  Your phrase  
"quite favourable" is something of an understatement.

John
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:39:01 +, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
An *istDs review was posted on PhotoNet a couple of days ago. Some  
interesting comments and some misinformation, but overall it's quite  
favorable. It's here:
http://www.photo.net/equipment/pentax/istds/
Paul




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Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Shel Belinkoff]

I don't think I ever saw Cool Hand Luke, at least not all the way through,
but I've been a big fan of Strother Martin since before I knew who he was. 
A great character actor.  Maybe I ought to put CHL into my Netflix queue.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The quote is from the movie Cool Hand Luke, and was made by made by
> Strother Martin in his role as the captain of a road crew.
>
> Shel 
> 
> And it became a catch phrase for a whole generation. Not a bad movie,
either.
>
> Marnie 

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 12:13:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think I ever saw Cool Hand Luke, at least not all the way through,
but I've been a big fan of Strother Martin since before I knew who he was. 
A great character actor.  Maybe I ought to put CHL into my Netflix queue.

Shel 
===
Do, if just to hear it said, with full irony, "What we have here, is a 
failure to communicate."

Besides, at his peak, Steve McQueen was PDG (pretty d good).

Also recommended:  The Great Escape (great ensemble cast), The Thomas Crown 
Affair (IIRC -- if I recall correctly, split screens typical of the period, but 
well done -- been a while since I've seen it). But you've probably seen those.

Marnie 

Re: PAW: Keep Your Eyes on the Road

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 4:04:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...and your hands upon the wheel:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3196973&size=lg

I've more or less been away from the computer since about Thursday, so
I have a crap-load of PAWs and other posts to look through (may take a
few days).  While I'm doing that, I hope you enjoy this, and look
forward to your comments.  Thanks in advance.

cheers,
frank

Nice frank. Don't think I've seen too many action shots from you. You should 
do more.

BTW, quiet around here when you aren't PDMLing. Only 200 posts a day instead 
of 275.

Marnie (Not really, I just pulled those figures out my head, I actually have 
no idea.) ;-)

Re: OT: I've Been Jetsgoed

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 4:22:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jetsgo:  (vt)  A new Canadian verb, meaning to have purchased tickets
from a discount airline, only to have the airline go bankrupt before
being able to use said tickets, leaving the purchaser with a useless
piece of paper, and little chance for recompense.

I don't know how many of you heard about it, but one of our discount
airlines folded last week, with absolutely no warning.  Naturally, no
other airline will honour these useless tickets, and since they're
bankrupt, no refunds are available (unless there's any money left
after the secured creditors get their cut - which there never is).

If tickets were purchased from a travel agent, there's a fund for such
exigencies, but of course, I got mine direct from the airline on-line.
Some credit card companies may offer refunds, but so far, mine is
balking.

Luckily, as it was a discount airline, the fare was indeed very low,
so I'm not out much in terms of money.  However, my brief Easter
vacation to visit my mother, sister and eldest daughter in Nova Scotia
just went down the tubes, as I'll never be able to re-book at a good
price now.  Haven't seen mom and sis in 2 1/2 years, so I guess
another couple of months won't hurt any...

Okay, you can put your violins away now.  

cheers,
frank
===
A true bummer. Sympathies.

Marnie :-(

RE: Best all around RAW converter/manager(s)??

[Henk Terhell]

I have never tried Photoshop CS, but I bought a few months ago PS
Elements 3 for 75 euro ($ 100) and this does a good job in RAW
conversion in my opinion. So I'm very happy with it, but I'm still
wondering whether there is quality-wise any difference with CS on the
aspect of conversion and processing of RAW files.

Henk 


> -Original Message-
> From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 15 March, 2005 12:43 AM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: Best all around RAW converter/manager(s)??
> 
> 
> Hi Jens, I just converted to TIF to see how fast the program 
> was. It allows direct conversion to .jpg or several other 
> formats. This is the trial version with a 12 image limit but 
> it displays thumbnails of 12 RAW files in seconds, even on my 
> dog machine. I haven't loaded C1 yet, is it comparable? It's 
> almost twice the price so it would have to be better in some 
> way. Though even $100.00 is quite reasonable.
> 
> Don
> 
>

Re: PESO: Late night shopping

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 5:49:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Found this man, with the strange thing he apparently bought, one late Prague
evening. Shootng Cotty style from the hip.

http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/peso

Comments and critique welcome!

Good light!
   fra
===
Hehehehehe. Great shot. Just proves truth is stranger than fiction.

Marnie   

Re: Re: Full Frame DSLR

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2005/03/15 Tue AM 12:31:24 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Full Frame DSLR



> subtle humour.



That must be some other list you're thinking of.  Greetings from sunny 
Sunderland.

mike

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Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Shel Belinkoff]

Oh, sure I have  own 'em in fact.  McQueen was very good in Papillion,
too.  Loved that flick.  But hey, I just thought of something.  If you want
a great lesson in lighting and composition for B&W work, see Asphalt Jungle
(with Strother Martin).

I've pretty much always enjoyed Newman from the first time I saw him, when
I was a kid, in Somebody Up There Likes Me.  Trivia: Steve McQueen had a
small part (maybe uncredited) in the film.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 3/15/2005 12:22:36 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't think I ever saw Cool Hand Luke, at least not all the way through,

> ===
> Do, if just to hear it said, with full irony, "What we have here, is a 
> failure to communicate."
>
> Besides, at his peak, Steve McQueen was PDG (pretty d good).
>
> Also recommended:  The Great Escape (great ensemble cast), The Thomas
Crown 
> Affair (IIRC -- if I recall correctly, split screens typical of the
period, but 
> well done -- been a while since I've seen it). But you've probably seen
those.

Re: unsubscribe

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:09:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyhow, typically many people sign up to see what a list is about and 
unsubscribe after only a few messages.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
===
Or in the case of the PDML, hmmm, one day's worth, about 100 at least. 

Marnie ;-)

Re: Re: PESO - Raw sex

[m.9.wilson]

> 
> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/03/15 Tue AM 12:46:57 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO - Raw sex
> 
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:22:49 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Look through your fingers if you're chicken.
> > 
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/2740968
> > 
> > 8-)
> 
> 
> That's a cheap trick, Mike (one that I've used before - anyone
> remember Sex With Filing Cabinet? ).  It worked for me, though.
> 
> Nice pic.  The blown highlights bottom right detract slightly, but not
> too much.  I suspect they may bother others, but not me (too much).

Thanks.  I used flash (optio 330, by the way) as it turned dull just as I put 
the camera to my face - or, rather, held it at arm's length...  The resultant 
pic was really dull, with no trace of the vibrant yellow you can see now.  They 
bother me 8-)

mike

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Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 12:36:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've pretty much always enjoyed Newman from the first time I saw him, when
I was a kid, in Somebody Up There Likes Me.  Trivia: Steve McQueen had a
small part (maybe uncredited) in the film.

Shel 
===
Young boxer in the gym? Something like that?

Marnie   No, I was not aware of that.

RE: Keep Your Eyes on the Road

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Frank
another one where blur and b/w works, nice!
greetings
Markus

>
>>...and your hands upon the wheel:
>>
>>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3196973&size=lg
>>
>>I've more or less been away from the computer since about Thursday, so
>>I have a crap-load of PAWs and other posts to look through (may take a
>>few days).  While I'm doing that, I hope you enjoy this, and look
>>forward to your comments.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>cheers,
>>frank

Re: PESO -- Untitled V

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 12:58:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Snowy day and technical problems made me want to do something I enjoyed 
doing so
here's another PESO

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_untitledv.html

Not technical data today.  I'm feeling lazy today.

As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
=

Ooooh, that is very, very nice. Actually, it's the best shot I have seen from 
you in the last two months or so (well, just my opinion, take with a grain of 
salt). Great. Well-focused, nice colors, good composition, with a nice 
empty/sort of hollow feel to it. Love the sweep of sand -- carries the eye 
through 
the frame, and it's curve off sets the rectangularity of the building and wharf 
and the whitish color is a nice contrast.

It also looks surreal (which it might be obvious, I tend to like).

Nice, nice. Very nice.

Marnie :-)

Re: Peso -- Untitled V B&W version was [Re: PESO -- Untitled V]

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:28:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd like to thank everyone who said nice things about this image, which 
is just about everyone who commented.  Not often I get one everyone likes,
and just because I can't leave well enough alone I decided to try a B&W 
conversion, (with a bit of perspective correction).

http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_untitledvb&wp-c.html
=
It's nice too, but I like the color version much better. It had reduced 
colors, but the white and blue and grey/browns were a nice combo.

I think the B&W loses something, though I suppose some B&W folks might like 
it better.

Marnie 

RE: PESO: Late night shopping

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Frantisek
this is a funny pic, *somebody* gets a nice present.
It would be even better if you had been a little bit farer away when taking
the photo, but
for a snapshot it is well made.

greetings
Markus

>
>>Subject: PESO: Late night shopping
>>
>>
>>Found this man, with the strange thing he apparently bought, one
>>late Prague
>>evening. Shootng Cotty style from the hip.
>>
>>http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/peso
>>
>>Comments and critique welcome!
>>
>>Good light!
>>   fra
>>
>>

Re: PESO -- Untitled V

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 7:55:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mar 11, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Peter J. Alling wrote:

> http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_untitledv.html
=
Do'h, snow not sand, ergo why it was so white. My eye expected sand.

Still, it makes no difference to my appreciation of it.

Marnie ;-)

RE: PESO - MT. Home

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Mark
the first shots with the Agfa Ambiflex are a bit of privat nature.
So you will have to wait  for some "public showable" photos coming soon.
I will take some landscape shots next week.

The quality of the 35mm lens is very good, on the other side, this camera
cost a small fortune back in 1959 and was
the best of the Agfa series I think.
I do not have any other lenses like the 50mm or 90/150mm tele with it.

What really confused me the first time I used the camera was pointing with
the waist level finder because it shows
the picture side reversed. Should not make a big difference, but it did/does
for me.
I have the normal prisma finder too, but the waist level finder just feels
cooler and
would be nice for snapshots.

I went to a electronic shop in the main station in Zurich and asked for
film.
The clerk: you want a DVD?
no, "normal" film please - pointing to the Agfa
The clerk: Mini DVD?




What makes me wonder:

Do you have no problem getting rollfilm and other formats for your old
cameras and do you develop them yourself?
If you had to give it away for developping, this must be the most expensive
part of that fascinating hobby
I would not know anybody processing rollfilm here


thanks for this nice conversation, btw. which member of this list **uses**
the oldest Pentax SLR/MF camera ?


greetings
Markus







>>-Original Message-
>>From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:38 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: Re: PESO - MT. Home
>>
>>
>>Hi Markus -
>>
>>> seems like a nice camera for snow shots, I like this one a lot.
>>> Is this a medium format camera and are you a collector of old cameras?
>>
>>Thanks for you comment - I'm glad you like the shot.  It' s been
>>growing on
>>me - the weather was cold and but sunny so the tire tracks came
>>out nicely
>>on the asphalt, and I like how their lines resonate with the other linear
>>repetitions in the scene (the rows of trees and headstones in particular.)
>>
>>The Ricoflex is indeed a MF camera - I need to work with it a bit
>>to see how
>>it stacks up. It has variable focus and a nice magnifier that flips down
>>over the wait level finder. I was able to clean the shooting lens but the
>>spotting lens and screen are a mess - won't affect the images but
>>one must
>>peer through layers of dust to compose and focus...  My first
>>impression is
>>that it will be a regular in my junk camera bag - it's subtle, but
>>distinctive in the feel it produces.
>>
>>A former list member got me interested in the Holga a few years
>>ago, and I
>>ultimately inherited one from my father a while back. My father
>>(who taught
>>photography) also had some old Kodak folding cameras.  Once I figured out
>>how to respool 120 to 620, I  got hooked on using unpredictable and
>>imperfect cameras.  I then started looking at old junk cameras.
>>So - I'm not
>>exactly a collector old cameras, but rather, old _junk_ cameras :-)
>>
>>This site fueled the addiction greatly: http://www.junkstorecameras.com/
>>
>>A lot of what I do with the *st-D and before that 35mm film is aimed at
>>technically perfect, razor sharp images with an increasing thrust towards
>>natural history / scientific work that blend accurate representation with
>>aesthetics.  As a counter point - I also love the imprecision and
>>distortion
>>of the old cameras, pinholes, and alternative processing. Last
>>summer I was
>>privileged to have three of my insects shots as part of
>>scientific display
>>on pollination in the US National Botanical Gardens in Washington, D.C.,
>>while simultaneously displaying this Holga shot:
>>
>>http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/asga/asga02.htm
>>
>>in the National Landscape Exhibit just down the road in the Maryland
>>Federation of Art's gallery in Annapolis. Seeing both sets of
>>shots in their
>>respective settings on one trip really got me fired up to pursue both
>>creative directions. (Obviously - I don't subscribe to the "find
>>one thing
>>and do just that" school of thought...)
>>
>>Right now I'm using a Holga, a couple of old Kodak bellows
>>cameras, an Ansco
>>ready flash, Argus 75 TLR, a pinhole TLR, and Argus brick range
>>finder, and
>>the Ricoflex as the latest addition to the junk-camera crop.  I set my
>>threshold for spending at $15 max per camera - the Ricoflex busted the
>>budget by a buck or two but the Ansco only cost $1.50 :-).
>>
>>The thing is - a some of these cameras are actually pretty good
>>(one of the
>>Kodak 6x9 cm bellows cameras is not bad at all) and some are just
>>soft and
>>lacking in character.  It's the rarity to find a camera that with
>>distincitive distortions that produce interesting results. I have
>>high hopes
>>for the Ricoflex, though it is actually relatively sharp compared to the
>>other cameras.It's subtle but nice in it's subtlety.  Some of the cameras
>>are also distinctive, but in ways that limit their use. Like the
>>Argoflex 75
>>takes contrast off the scale, so it pro

Re: Lexicography of the list

[Cotty]

On 14/3/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Don't believe anything Mark Roberts and Cotty tell you.

Personally, I wouldn't believe anything *anyone* tells you around here..




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Best all around RAW converter/manager(s)??

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 12:34:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have never tried Photoshop CS, but I bought a few months ago PS
Elements 3 for 75 euro ($ 100) and this does a good job in RAW
conversion in my opinion. So I'm very happy with it, but I'm still
wondering whether there is quality-wise any difference with CS on the
aspect of conversion and processing of RAW files.

Henk 
==
Well, as far as I know, they are basically the same. But, IIRC, CS also has 
an advanced tab which Elements 3 does not. Not sure what it covers.

Marnie 

Re: New member intro

[Cotty]

Dear Doctor,

I used to have lots of Pentax gear. Then I joined this list. Then I
started selling my Pentax gear. What is wrong with me?


Sincerely,
 Curious


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Re: PESO - MT. Home

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:05:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:41:22 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mark opined:
> > > It almost makes me want to formally learn the zone system.
> Scott replied:
> > Ack.  Spare yourself the insanity.
> 
> Anyone who shoots BW film can benefit from learning the zone system. You 
may not use it, but developing an understanding of range, values and how to 
work 
with them in exposure and development is very useful. This knowledge even 
carries over into digital photography a bit. I was thinking that just the other 
day while using the RAW converter's exposure slider to set the highlights, then 
working on the midtones and shadows. It's all about maximizing your options 
within the latitude of the medium.  One of the best places to learn the zone 
system is from the master himself: Ansel Adams' "The Negative."
> Paul
> 
While I have experienced bouts of insanity related directly to the
zone system, I do have to agree with Paul.  "The Ansel Adams Guide:
Basic Techniques" was my introduction.  I do believe this book borrows
very heavily from the series containing "The Negative", or vice-versa.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0821225758/qid=1110862825/sr=8-1
0/ref=pd_ka_3/103-8963449-7006215?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


-- 
Scott Loveless
==
Unfortunately, most of the negative went over my head. It's not for the faint 
of heart or  metering/exposure-challenged.

Marnie 

Re: PESO - MT. Home

[Cotty]

On 14/3/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The Zone system is one of those things that is good to pound into 
>your brain hard enough that you can forget about knowing it.
>I went really overboard and ran sensitometric tests of gray scales 
>and plotted the results, film densities over the resulting print 
>densities at every full paper grade.
>It was something to do during the winter when there is no sunlight.

Shoot, Bill. Can't you just buy more bulbs or something.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Peso -- Untitled V B&W version was [Re: PESO -- Untitled V]

[Cotty]

I'm with colour on this one. I think that although line and form lends
itself generally better to mono, in this instance the colour adds greater
character.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Peso: Still Snowing

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 3:07:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.markcassino.com/temp/peso/IMGP8659.jpg

I think I've figured out the lighting on these and have started roughing up 
plans to move beyond my coffee-can-notebook-cover approach.  Though my 
current ideas still more or less conform to the design principles of the 
Jethro Bodine School of Applied Engineering...

Another 4 inches predicted for tonight and tomorrow - yee haw...

- MCC

I am totally impressed by snow-flake shooters patience.

It seems a bit like counting the angels on the head of a pin.

Marnie ;-)  (I hope I have that analogy right.)

Re: PESO: Late night shopping

[Cotty]

On 15/3/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Found this man, with the strange thing he apparently bought, one late Prague
>evening. Shootng Cotty style from the hip.

 

>
>http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/peso

Very nice Fra, that's a keeper as the yanks say.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PMA- no new body?!?

[Cotty]

Only yours :-)


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: This must be some sort of record.....

[Cotty]

On 14/3/05, Butch Black, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Stupid question. Is the A 85/1.4 significantly superior to the FA 85/1.4? 
>The FA is listing new for $800 on B&H and the 77 LTD for $690.

worms > can

Personally I have never seen or touched the FA 85/1.4 so I can say
without question or doubt that the A*85mm f/1.4 is far superior in terms
of technical quality and photographic ability.

There should be an entire room devoted to it at the Smithsonian.

If lenses can be classed as cool, the A*85mm f/1.4 would be frozen solid.






Cheers,
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Re: unsubscribe

[Cotty]

On 15/3/05, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Anyhow, typically many people sign up to see what a list is about and 
>unsubscribe after only a few messages.

These are the same people that pop into a bar and see there's no Bud on tap.




Cheers,
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When hobbies collide.

[Malcolm Smith]

It's not often that my two hobbies of Pentax photography and amateur radio
collide, but I think this is something very interesting:

www.gentles.info/KAP

It might interest some of you.

Malcolm

RE: New member intro

[Peter Williams]

> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> They'll have you buying every Pentax gadget in the known universe.
> How do you like the MX so far?
> 

Hopefully not.

It seems quite good. I remember trying one back in the early 80's
or late 70's and thinking it weas like holding a bar of soap
compared to the Ricoh Singlex TLS I had at the time. Then I
graduated to a Nikon F Photomic FTN with a Vivitar Series One
35-85 F2 hanging off the front as my main lens, it made the Ricoh
seem like a little bar of soap.

Years pass...

My KM DiMAGE A2 has started to seem fairly normal in size, esp.
after I got the battery grip for it.

Compared to it the MX seems a decent sort of thing, probably a
good size. I like the compact dimensions of the 50/1.7 lens.
If I want anything extra so far it's a 20 or 24mm lens.

-- 
Peter Williams 

Re: This must be some sort of record.....

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Cotty wrote:

> Personally I have never seen or touched the FA 85/1.4 so I can say
> without question or doubt

???

> If lenses can be classed as cool, the A*85mm f/1.4 would be frozen solid.

A classification automatically excluding silver-black lenses like the
FA*85/1.4

Kostas

Re: PESO - Co-observation

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:50:05 -0800, Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A couple more from the NorCal outing:
http://www.alpert.com/marco/pdml/norcal3.html
http://www.alpert.com/marco/pdml/norcal4.html
   -Marco

Both terrific photos!
I like the "humanity" of the first, especially the dirty face of the kid .
There's something surreal about the second one that I can't quite put
my finger on, but until I do, I like the lighting and composition (and
all those old folks sitting together...).
Maybe it's the unspoken thought? There, in 25 years or so, go you?
Maybe you sense the loss of independence they exhibit, en masse?
They seem to be on a tour of some sort, perhaps sponsered by the local 
senior citizen's group.
Maybe it's the fact that they're sitting there, dutifully eating their 
box lunches without any obvious person-to-person interaction. No 
conversation between any of them, just fueling up, while maintaining 
some dignity in it all...

"Sighhh. I was told to get out and go on this trip and mingle with 
people, and enjoy myself, so here I am. But I don't know anyone and I'm 
not having much fun...and there's no-one I know that I want to talk to."

That's what I see in it. Kind of sad, in a way. I see no smiles there...
keith whaley
Great stuff!
cheers,
frank 

Re: Peso -- Untitled V B&W version was [Re: PESO -- Untitled V]

[Frantisek]

Hi,

I am late to comment, and I have actually first seen the B&W
conversion, and after that I found the colour one.

I definitely like more the black and white - the various lines just
get out more.

And a very good photo!

Good light!
   fra

Re: This must be some sort of record.....

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Butch Black wrote on 15.03.05 4:10:

> Stupid question. Is the A 85/1.4 significantly superior to the FA 85/1.4?
> The FA is listing new for $800 on B&H and the 77 LTD for $690.
I don't think so. Look at Arnold's test:
http://www.arnoldstark.de/pentax/pentax.htm
They have quite similar resolution (A* is slightly better wide open, FA* is
better closed down). If you take a look on test photos, for me FA* has
slightly better contrast and lower chromatic aberrations than A*. So I think
FA* represents much better value for money, at least optical quality-wise.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Frantisek]

DF> That doesn't work with every site.  I haven't looked at the HTML for
DF> those sites, but a few of years ago when this problem first ticked me
DF> off enough, I did check the HTML and CSS for those sites, and they were
DF> specifying their font sizes as fixed numbers of pixels and some
DF> browsers, IE included, wouldn't/couldn't resize those fonts.

If some browsers, IE included, solution is easy - do not use IE.

I have just tested in on my own site, and Firefox 1.0.1 could easily resize
even text with size specified in points, pixels and all types of
absolute/relative sizes that are defined by the standard.

Shameles plug, but it _is_ a better and safer browser ;-)

Good light!
   fra

Re: New member intro

[Leon Altoff]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:18:05 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
>I sort of introduced myself when I butted in on a discussion in progress on the
>weekend :-)
>
>I'm a 40 something Aussie who did film (mostly B&W) photography from about 5
>years of age till my late 20's (Ricoh and Nikon 35mm slr mostly). Then I sold 
>my
>gear and gave up when I no longer had regular access to a decent darkroom.
>At the start of last year I bought a KM DiMAGE A2 digital and have absolutely
>rekindled my interest and enthusiasm for photography.
>Then on the weekend I bought a secondhand Pentax MX with 50mm F1.7 M lens.
>
>I'm going to have a try at the chromogenic B&W caper and scan the processed 
>negs.

Hi Peter,

I started "real photography" with an MX and an M 50mm f1.7 back in
1981.  I still have it though I've been through a SuperA, Z1p, MZ-S,
and am now using my *istD nearly exclusively - I still have my MZ-S as
well. I don't have room for a dark room but I enjoy what I can do with
the digital on the computer.

Where in Oz are you?  There are a lot of Australians on this list - I'm
in Melbourne.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Frantisek]

Saturday, March 12, 2005, 1:01:47 AM, Graywolf wrote:
G> Hit <+> a couple of times. I have to do it often with my old eyes. 
And
G> if they use something like blue text on black I have to do it 4 or 5 times 
(but
G> only if I can not find the info someplace else).

And shameless plug continued, Firefox has a simple accessibility
extension that you can use to make the text on badly designed webpages
more contrasty, with a simple click of button. Although usually such a badly 
designed web means that
the content is no better... Opera has the same feature, but it's not
free ;-)

Good light!
   fra

Re: PESO: Off to visit Frank

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Scott. I'm blushing.
On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:29:20 -0500, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3193740&size=lg
*istD, ISO 400, A400/5.6, f6.7 @ 1/750, handheld
I've looked at your goose photo about 6 times since yesterday,
completely amazed by it.  I've really been wanting to comment on it,
but all I can think of "Wow!  Wish I could do that."  Excellent!
I'm sure Frank will like having his buddy home.
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Frantisek]

F> more contrasty, with a simple click of button. Although usually
F> such a badly designed web means that
F> the content is no better...

Rather strange replying to my own post...

But I just found I myself have _still_ messed up website, with some
bad colour combinations on pages deeper in it that resulted from
pasting together works done over a quite different time period, when I
was still learning HTML and using indiscriminately "replace in all
files" feature of text editors :-(

I promise I will correct the gaudy 'dark blue on gray background'
asap. For now, if you find it think of it as bit of psychedelia
creeping in ;-)


Good light!
   fra

Re: Used Dslr

[Frantisek]

One suggestion that has been already made on the list is to check for
the number of total shutter releases on the camera. That's an internal
number that on most DSLRs doesn't get reset even if you reset the
frame # counter, and is stored in the EXIF field, usually in the
makernote. I don't know of an EXIF viewer that supports it for Pentax
JPGs but I am sure there is one.

Good light!
   fra

Re: Used Dslr

[Rob Studdert]

On 15 Mar 2005 at 12:33, Frantisek wrote:

> One suggestion that has been already made on the list is to check for
> the number of total shutter releases on the camera. That's an internal
> number that on most DSLRs doesn't get reset even if you reset the
> frame # counter, and is stored in the EXIF field, usually in the
> makernote. I don't know of an EXIF viewer that supports it for Pentax
> JPGs but I am sure there is one.

No one has jet killed a Pentax DSLR here by taking too many shots, I personally 
would start to worry under the 100k exposure mark. What I would check though is 
their return policy regarding hot, dead or stuck pixels.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Lexicography of the list

[Mark Roberts]

David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:41:47 -0500, frank theriault
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I'm frank.  Everyone here hates me, because I'm always right.
>
>I don't think that's the reason.

Yeah, it's really because he's so good-looking he gets all the chicks.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: PMA- no new body?!?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tan and Steve"
Subject: RE: PMA- no new body?!?


Calf implants?! I know how cyclists like to display their 
muscles... hehe.

Well, we can't sell the little guys anymore, we have to do something 
with them.

William Robb 

Re: New member intro

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: New member intro


Dear Doctor,
I used to have lots of Pentax gear. Then I joined this list. Then I
started selling my Pentax gear. What is wrong with me?
Vader..
WW 

Re: PESO - MT. Home

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: PESO - MT. Home


Shoot, Bill. Can't you just buy more bulbs or something.
They don't start growing until sometime in April in these parts.
William Robb

Re: New member intro

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>What is wrong with me?

We'd have to start a whole new list...
;-)

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Used Dslr

[Rob Studdert]

On 15 Mar 2005 at 23:25, Rob Studdert wrote:

> No one has jet killed a Pentax DSLR here by taking too many shots, I 
> personally
> would start to worry under the 100k exposure mark. What I would check though 
> is
> their return policy regarding hot, dead or stuck pixels.

OK I think I'll try this again :-(

No one on this list has yet reported killing a Pentax DSLR by taking too many 
shots, I personally would NOT start to worry about the shutter under the 100k 
exposure mark. What I would check though is KEH's return policy regarding hot, 
dead or stuck pixels.

Can anyone confirm that there is indeed a permanent cumulative exposure 
counter?



Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Lexicography of the list

[David Savage]

Must be the ears

Dave S


On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:40:46 -0500, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:41:47 -0500, frank theriault
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm frank.  Everyone here hates me, because I'm always right.
> >
> >I don't think that's the reason.
> 
> Yeah, it's really because he's so good-looking he gets all the chicks.
> 
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
> 
>

Re: New member intro

[Bob Sullivan]

Dear Doctor,

I used to have lots of Pentax gear.  Then I joined this list.  Then I
bought a whole lot more Pentax gear.  My wife will tell you what's
wrong with me.

Can you save this marriage?

Sincerely,
'round the bend

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:22:35 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Doctor,
> 
> I used to have lots of Pentax gear. Then I joined this list. Then I
> started selling my Pentax gear. What is wrong with me?
> 
> Sincerely,
> Curious
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
>

Re: When hobbies collide.

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:43:23 -, Malcolm Smith wrote:

> It's not often that my two hobbies of Pentax photography and amateur
> radio collide, but I think this is something very interesting:
> 
> www.gentles.info/KAP
> 
> It might interest some of you.

I've thought about that stuff off and on since I got my license in
2000.  I guess I'll _have_ to learn more about SSTV now. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:44:48 +0100, Frantisek wrote:

> DF> [...] some
> DF> browsers, IE included, wouldn't/couldn't resize those fonts.
> 
> If some browsers, IE included, solution is easy - do not use IE.

I had to say "some" since I haven't tried every browser out there. :-) 
Personally, I switched to Opera for my main browser several years ago. 
It has a really nifty "zoom" feature.  Now that Firefox is getting more
mature, it's my secondary browser, when I have an incompatibility on a
web site.

> Shameles plug, but [Firefox] _is_ a better and safer browser ;-)

That's true.  And if a site is important to me, I'll keep another
browser around to use it.  But, in general, if someone goes that far
out of their way to make their hard to use on my computer, then I'll
accept their desire for exclusivity and not going put a ton of effort
into making it work.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PESO - NorCal: Godfrey, Bruce, and John

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:31:12 +0100, Frantisek wrote:

> I promise I will correct the gaudy 'dark blue on gray background'
> asap. For now, if you find it think of it as bit of psychedelia
> creeping in ;-)

:-)

Cee-Ess-Ess, Cee-Ess-Ess, Cee-Ess-Ess, ...



TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Lexicography of the list

[Scott Loveless]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:02:21 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott just woke up from a brief coma.
LOL



-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Bogen 322RC2 Grip Action Ball Head? Comments?

[Don Sanderson]

Has anyone tried one of these:
http://www.adorama.com/BG322RC2.html

What do you think?

TIA
Don

Re: PESO: Late night shopping

[Albano Garcia]

Good, funny pic. I like the lighting and all.
regards

Albano

--- Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Found this man, with the strange thing he apparently
> bought, one late Prague
> evening. Shootng Cotty style from the hip.
> 
> http://www.frantisekvlcek.com/peso
> 
> Comments and critique welcome!
> 
> Good light!
>fra
> 
> 

Albano Garcia
Photography & Graphic Design
http://www.albanogarcia.com.ar
http://www.flaneur.com.ar
 
 

 






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Re: Lexicography of the list

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:43:39 -0500, Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GESO probably someone's misspelling of PESO (Photo Every So Often) which was
> coined by Jostein.
> 

Tom,

It's "Gallery Every So Often".  I forget who coined it, but I recall
there was a bit of a discussion along the lines of, "Geez, yet another
acronym that I have to filter off.  Can we stop this please?" 

It seems to have evolved into either a gallery (ie:  photos connected
by a common theme) or just a bunch of PESOs posted at once.

BTW, I always thought that PESO was coined by Cory.  Come on, whoever
started it, 'fess up!  

cheers,
frank

ps:  Hey!  PESO?  "Coined"?  Peso is a form of currency.  Coins are
currency.  I get it, a pun...  
-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Lexicography of the list

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:23:41 -0500, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 4.  Off Topic.  The list is ~90% off topic.  Frank thinks it's higher. 

I'm not saying that 90% of the threads are OT.  Mostly they start off
as being mildly relating to photography, cameras, or sometimes 
even Pentax.  Even the on-topic threads quickly devolve into OT
drivel.  At least they do once I jump in.  

cheers,
frank


-- 
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Re: New member intro

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:22:35 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Doctor,
> 
> I used to have lots of Pentax gear. Then I joined this list. Then I
> started selling my Pentax gear. What is wrong with me?
> 
> Sincerely,
>  Curious

I don't know what's wrong with you, but maybe you should join a Canon list?

-frank


-- 
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Re: Bogen 322RC2 Grip Action Ball Head? Comments?

[Jack Davis]

Don,
I briefly tried one a couple years ago and missed the
graduated adjustments possible with a 'conventional'
ball head. There was no in-between. Either completely
tight or loose.
When shooting wildlife, especially with manual focus,
not having a free hand to focus, recompose or follow a
target were a frustration.
Might be fine for AF on a monopod or for stationary
scenes.

Jack
 
--- Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone tried one of these:
> http://www.adorama.com/BG322RC2.html
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> TIA
> Don
> 
> 



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RE: Bogen 322RC2 Grip Action Ball Head? Comments?

[Tom C]

Sorry, no I haven't.  But I have two of the 3265 Grip Ball Heads.
http://www.adorama.com/BG3265.html
The 322RC2 looks very nice, especially its ability to handle more weight.  
For my kind of shooting, I find a grip style ball head makes things so easy. 
 No fussing with getting the tripod perfectly level.  Just plop it down, 
compose the shot and shoot.

Tom C.

From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: "PDML" 
Subject: Bogen 322RC2 Grip Action Ball Head? Comments?
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:33:08 -0600
Has anyone tried one of these:
http://www.adorama.com/BG322RC2.html
What do you think?
TIA
Don

Re: PESO: Late night shopping

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:11:22 -0500, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 A fun and thought-provoking photo.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add:  I like the way the man and his stuffed
animal seem to be looking in the same direction!  

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Lexicography of the list

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 6:29:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least they do once I jump in.  

cheers,
frank
=
You're not the only one, of course. Some of us pride ourselves on not saying 
much of relevance. 

Marnie aka Doe :-)

PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Cotty]

Off work for a couple of days as I'm working this weekend, lunch under
the grill, and I look out of the window to find this chap on the feeder.
He's awkwardly placed as these nuts are meant for the tits (whoa
Beavis) and he's a bit big to be there. I looked him up and he's an
adult male Great Spotted Woodpecker, a common bird in these parts, but
I've never seen one close up before.



zoom + 2X (400mm actual) on a 1.3x sensor, ISO 400 1/125th wide open at
5.6 grabbed through a window. Got a dozen shots before he fell off /
exited stage left.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
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Re: When hobbies collide.

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:43:23 -, Malcolm Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not often that my two hobbies of Pentax photography and amateur radio
> collide, but I think this is something very interesting:
> 
> www.gentles.info/KAP
> 
> It might interest some of you.
> 
> Malcolm
> 

I think you should send up your 6x7 on a kite.  That'll need one
mother of a kite, though!  

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: When hobbies collide.

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 6:47:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:43:23 -, Malcolm Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not often that my two hobbies of Pentax photography and amateur radio
> collide, but I think this is something very interesting:
> 
> www.gentles.info/KAP
> 
> It might interest some of you.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
===
Cool site. It would have to be a camera, though, one didn't really care about.

Marnie 

Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 6:45:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Off work for a couple of days as I'm working this weekend, lunch under
the grill, and I look out of the window to find this chap on the feeder.
He's awkwardly placed as these nuts are meant for the tits (whoa
Beavis) and he's a bit big to be there. I looked him up and he's an
adult male Great Spotted Woodpecker, a common bird in these parts, but
I've never seen one close up before.



zoom + 2X (400mm actual) on a 1.3x sensor, ISO 400 1/125th wide open at
5.6 grabbed through a window. Got a dozen shots before he fell off /
exited stage left.


Cheers,
  Cotty
==
Very, very nice shot. I realize you didn't give it a lot of preplanning, but 
nice composition too. Worked out well.

Marnie   (The 70-200?)

Re: PESO - Co-observation

[frank theriault]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:23:25 -0800, Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Maybe it's the unspoken thought? There, in 25 years or so, go you?
> Maybe you sense the loss of independence they exhibit, en masse?
> They seem to be on a tour of some sort, perhaps sponsered by the local
> senior citizen's group.
> Maybe it's the fact that they're sitting there, dutifully eating their
> box lunches without any obvious person-to-person interaction. No
> conversation between any of them, just fueling up, while maintaining
> some dignity in it all...
> 
> "Sighhh. I was told to get out and go on this trip and mingle with
> people, and enjoy myself, so here I am. But I don't know anyone and I'm
> not having much fun...and there's no-one I know that I want to talk to."
> 
> That's what I see in it. Kind of sad, in a way. I see no smiles there...
> 

Yeah, I think it's all that, Keith.  As I read your post, I realized
that it was the fact that they're all (apparently) part of a tour or
excursion, they're all together (it seems), but there's no
communication visible between or among them.  It just seems that their
lives are so empty.

I think it's the whole "circle of life" thing, sort of like the Riddle
of the Sphynx.

When we're little, in nursery school or kindergarten, we're shuttled
about in groups to places we don't choose to go to (someone else tells
us where and when to go).  Then, when we do get our independence, we
think, "That's it, I'm my own man now, I can do whatever I want from
now on".  But many don't realize that as we age, it's possible to lose
that independence, as it seems these people have.

Very unsettling, but well communicated in the photo in question.

cheer,
frank


-- 
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Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Off work for a couple of days

Ah, so you'll be checking into car hire places in Oxford for us, right?
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: New member intro

[Cotty]

On 15/3/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I don't know what's wrong with you, but maybe you should join a Canon list?

Why Frank I do believe there's a slight note of tension in your type ;-)

How do you know that I haven't already?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PDML Norcal - 3 more - GDG

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:59:24 -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo again,
> 
> Been busy as all heck this week as I'm preparing to move very soon, but
> I did have time to work on  three more of my exposures from last
> Saturday's outing at the Egyptian Museum. Originally I planned these to
> be rendered as B&W, but I liked the colors in two of them enough that I
> worked them into color renderings for the moment.
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/11s.htm
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/11t.htm
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/11u.htm
> 
> Your comments will be much appreciated.
> 

I'm with everyone else:

The first two are the stronger images for me.  Nice work with the
shadows of #1, seemlessly integrating them into the composition. 
Lovely, simple geometry of #2 is what makes that so strong.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>

Oh BTW: Great woodpecker photo!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Cotty]

On 15/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>Very, very nice shot. I realize you didn't give it a lot of preplanning, but 
>nice composition too. Worked out well.

Thanks Marnie. I cheated: it's cropped, but only to a horizontal from the
a vertical.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Cotty]

On 15/3/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ah, so you'll be checking into car hire places in Oxford for us, right?
>;-)

D'oh!

I'm on it now.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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OT: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I noted that Frank is responding during the DAY today :) 
This had me wondering why he's at home since he's usually busy on the
streets of Toronto - and what with the bright sunshine and no snow in the
forecast it seems perfect weather for him.

So I figured he's responding because of one of the following:

a) He's still distraught over being "jetsgoed"
b) He's got the 'bird flu' from that Canada Goose that is apparently
heading his way
c) He's totally enveloped in the Michael Jackson trial
d) He's busilly polishing his MX and CL.
e) He's decided to take a day off to catch up on all the PDML stuff he's
been missing out on 

I'm thinking it's "c" but I could be wrong . ;-)

Cheers
Dave


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Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Christian]

Cotty wrote on 3/15/2005, 9:43 AM:


 >
 > 

Nice one, Cotty.  You got a great pose and a nice clean background.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:02:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 15/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>Very, very nice shot. I realize you didn't give it a lot of preplanning, but 
>nice composition too. Worked out well.

Thanks Marnie. I cheated: it's cropped, but only to a horizontal from the
a vertical.




Cheers,
  Cotty

I actually crop a fair amount (I can't get used to the fact I don't have a 
100% viewfinder). But I've decided to stop saying when I do. Unless asked.

Why not let people think I got it right the first time? Hehehe. Actually, why 
not let people think that every shot comes out well-composed (or not too 
badly composed). After all, cropping is accepted film photography 
"manipulation." 
And the cropped shot *has* been composed (by chopping off distracting elements 
or areas with not much in them).

Marnie ;-)

Re: OT: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:06:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So I figured he's responding because of one of the following:

a) He's still distraught over being "jetsgoed"
b) He's got the 'bird flu' from that Canada Goose that is apparently
heading his way
c) He's totally enveloped in the Michael Jackson trial
d) He's busilly polishing his MX and CL.
e) He's decided to take a day off to catch up on all the PDML stuff he's
been missing out on 

I'm thinking it's "c" but I could be wrong . ;-)

Cheers
Dave
==
f.
Actually, it's probably some obscure Canadian National Holiday...

like celebrating the return of the Canadian Geese.

Marnie 

Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[pnstenquist]

Nice shot, Mr. Cotty. After going to the dogs a few weeks back, we've now 
demonstrated that this list is strictly for the birds.
Paul


> Off work for a couple of days as I'm working this weekend, lunch under
> the grill, and I look out of the window to find this chap on the feeder.
> He's awkwardly placed as these nuts are meant for the tits (whoa
> Beavis) and he's a bit big to be there. I looked him up and he's an
> adult male Great Spotted Woodpecker, a common bird in these parts, but
> I've never seen one close up before.
> 
> 
> 
> zoom + 2X (400mm actual) on a 1.3x sensor, ISO 400 1/125th wide open at
> 5.6 grabbed through a window. Got a dozen shots before he fell off /
> exited stage left.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 

Re: New member intro

[Rick Womer]

Dear Curious,

You clearly have advanced contrarian and antisocial
tendencies.  If you give away all your C gear (you
can send the 20D to me) and buy a new Pentax kit,
there might be a cure.

Doctor Rick

--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Doctor,
> 
> I used to have lots of Pentax gear. Then I joined
> this list. Then I
> started selling my Pentax gear. What is wrong with
> me?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
>  Curious
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 

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Re: PESO - Inelegant Feeder

[Badri A]

excellent bird pic!  After reading your description and having a look,
I imagine I see a perplexed look on the guy's face...

Was just wondering if you have put your feeder in a place where a long
zoom reaches it easily.. do you often try to photograph birds at your
feeder?

Cheers
Badri