Re: On subject of flare.

[Shel Belinkoff]

Impact damage is totally random.  The resultant damage, or not, to a lens
depends more on the intensity of the impact, the angle of the impact, the
surface area of the impact, and so on, than whether or not a lens is
wearing a filter or a hood.  People have damaged lenses on which rubber,
plastic, and metal hoods were attached, on which there were and were not
filters.

Buy and use whatever hood and filters you want for the purpose they were
designed for, not for protection from a fall or impact damage.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: David Mann 

> On Jun 19, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> > It is only logical to prefer to have to
> > replace the filter than go through the 
> > hoops replacing the front  element.
>
> I think any impact that damages a filter is still likely to cause  
> problems within the lens - especially zoom lenses which have more  
> moving parts.  My gear is insured (which costs me enough to buy a new  
> lens every year), so accidental breakage is covered in addition to  
> fire/theft/etc.



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RE: OT: Mom Passed Away

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Tim ?sleby wrote:

> I saw this now.
> Sorry for your loss Marnie. Take care.

I just saw this too. My condolences.

Kostas

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Re: On subject of flare.

[John Coyle]

I must just confirm Dave's thoughts there; my FA28-105 had to be repaired 
after being knocked off a table while travelling in Hong Kong, although the 
only visible damage was to the filter ring, the internals were very stiff 
afterwards.


John Coyle
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> On Jun 19, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> It is only logical to prefer to have to
>> replace the filter than go through the hoops replacing the front
>> element.
>
> I think any impact that damages a filter is still likely to cause
> problems within the lens - especially zoom lenses which have more
> moving parts.  My gear is insured (which costs me enough to buy a new
> lens every year), so accidental breakage is covered in addition to
> fire/theft/etc.
>
> Hopefully we won't repeat the filter vs {metal/plastic} hood argument...
>
> - Dave
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RE: On subject of flare.

[Bob W]

> 
> Buy and use whatever hood and filters you want for the 
> purpose they were
> designed for, not for protection from a fall or impact damage.
> 
> Shel
> 

I think that should be changed to "Buy and use whatever hood and
filters you want" for any purpose you want. 

Many of us have had lenses protected by filters and hoods from pretty
severe knocks - far worse than stubbing out cigarettes, which may be
good advertising but is not necessarily good science. I have dropped
lenses onto concrete and onto cobbles and seen the filter or hood take
the force to such an extent that they have been destroyed, without
damaging the lenses at all. Without the filter or hood the lenses
would have taken the force, so I am quite satisfied that protection is
among the purposes of hoods and filters.

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RE: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website

[Bob W]

That site includes a rather worrying story:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#gatech

Don't throw your film cameras away yet, folks.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
> Sent: 19 June 2006 07:48
> To: PDML
> Subject: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website
> 
> I was just poking around at Steve's and was pleased to see 
> that Pentax was
> advertising the new K-series cameras on the front page to the 
> site.  That
> seems like a good sign.
> 
> http://www.steves-digicams.com/
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Re: Re: OT - Possible Meteorite Hits Car in Poland

[mike wilson]

I've been looking at this for a while and it just doesn't 
ring true.  

A meteorite of any size would have a terrific velocity at 
impact and be somewhat warm.  I would have expected a very
neat hole in the windscreen and the rest of the vehicle, all
the way to the point that there was something solid enough
to stop it, like the ground or part of the 
engine/transmission.  Followed, possibly, by fire.

It looks more to me like a piece of debris from an aeroplane
- sometimes this can be frozen bits of various types of
waste - could be a more likely candidate.  Or, maybe,
 someone in one of the flats around there became tired of
 the alarm going.

m


> 
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/06/18 Sun PM 09:38:41 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: OT - Possible Meteorite Hits Car in Poland
> 
> If it were space junk, it would hardly look metallic after re-entry.
> 
> Gonz wrote:
> 
> >It looks non-meteoric, more like a metallic disk of some sorts.  Space junk?
> >
> >rg
> >
> >
> >Tom C wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Pictures at:
> >>
> >>http://www.4lomza.pl/fotogaleria.php?id=19598
> >>
> >>Tom C.
> >>
> >>To be so lucky...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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>   Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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RE: On subject of flare.

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bob ...

And I have seen just the opposite, where neither a hood nor a filter has
protected the lens from damage.  But yes, buy 'em and use 'em, or not, for
whatever reason floats your boat. 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob W 

> > Buy and use whatever hood and filters you want for the 
> > purpose they were
> > designed for, not for protection from a fall or impact damage.



> I think that should be changed to "Buy and use whatever hood and
> filters you want" for any purpose you want. 
>
> Many of us have had lenses protected by filters and hoods from pretty
> severe knocks - far worse than stubbing out cigarettes, which may be
> good advertising but is not necessarily good science. I have dropped
> lenses onto concrete and onto cobbles and seen the filter or hood take
> the force to such an extent that they have been destroyed, without
> damaging the lenses at all. Without the filter or hood the lenses
> would have taken the force, so I am quite satisfied that protection is
> among the purposes of hoods and filters.



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Re: GESOS

[Rob Geraghty]

>On 18/6/06, Rob Geraghty, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>I just read that links to galleries are frowned on,
>?? Where?
>Here's a FAQ for this list:
>

In the FAQ. :)

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Re: PESO -Soap

[mike wilson]

Just slightly too cropped but a very relaxing image.  Must
go and "Om" a bit..
> 
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/06/19 Mon AM 03:40:59 GMT
> To: "PDML" 
> Subject: PESO -Soap
> 
> Just fooling around with something a little different.
> 
> Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome ...
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/soap.html
> 
> 
> Shel
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Re: PESO- The Pond: June

[Toine]

I remember the previous version. Looking forward to the autumn and
winter versions.
Toine

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> This should have been a PESO. By the way, it's with the DA 12-24, 12mm,
> f11 @ 1 second.
> Paul
> On Jun 11, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> > I shot this in early spring with no leaves on the trees. Here it is
> > again, as of today:
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4551688&size=lg
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Re: On subject of flare.

[Jostein]

> As a side note... So far I couldn't find a reversing ring for 49 mm
> diameter in Tel Aviv. Go figure...

Pentax Norway had to order mine from Germany last year. :-)

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Asahi ghostless filter

[Toine]

I can buy an Asahi ghostless filter. Are these filters SMC coated?
While searching with google someone claimed these filters are curved
to prevent flare...
Toine

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Re: Asahi ghostless filter

[mike wilson]

Where from?  Asahi is a common Japanese company (part) name.  Not neccessarily 
Pentax.  I would be very careful about this purchase.

A curved filter would be useless for general use.

m
> 
> From: Toine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/06/19 Mon AM 09:01:38 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
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> I can buy an Asahi ghostless filter. Are these filters SMC coated?
> While searching with google someone claimed these filters are curved
> to prevent flare...
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Re: Asahi ghostless filter

[Steve Jolly]

Toine wrote:
> I can buy an Asahi ghostless filter. Are these filters SMC coated?

They're not SMC, they're "ghostless", which is an even higher 
performance coating.  (Probably with more layers.)

> While searching with google someone claimed these filters are curved
> to prevent flare...

I have heard that stated on this list, too.

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Re: GESOS

[Cotty]

On 19/6/06, Rob Geraghty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>>I just read that links to galleries are frowned on,
>>?? Where?
>>Here's a FAQ for this list:
>>
>
>In the FAQ. :)
>
>Rob

Rob,

There are a couple of places where mention is made of links, namely
these two paragraphs:

*
POSTING PHOTOS-- For PESO/PAW/ETC, you put it up on the web somewhere
and post a URL in your message. You can not post photos directly to the
list, the list management software will automatically delete your post.

and

PESO (GESO,PAW,etc.)-- Photo Every So Oftten (also PAW-- Photo A Week),
a thing introduced to the list a while back by Shel Belinkoff where you
can put up a photo you want commented on and folks will tell you how you
should have done it (grin). PESO seems to have become the preferred
acronym. You will also occassionally see GESO (Gallery Every So Often) I
personally do not like the idea, if you want to show a bunch of your
photos just post a link to your webpage in your sig line.

**

The only thing I see that you may be referring to is the last sentence
of the second paragraph. Note that the writer of the FAQ is not not the
list owner, and he is just posting his own personal preference. Many
people post GESOs, and it is up the individual whether or not to view
them. If I have time, I will have a look, some will always look, others
will never look. Certainly it is not 'frowned upon' to post a GESO.
Hell, I post photo essays once in a while and that is classed as a
gallery really, as it's a collection of pics, but I don't use the acronyms.

The only thing I would say is that as long as your post is relevant to
Pentax gear, then it is on topic. Anything else is OT, and should be
labelled as such. A lot of people bloat on about that, and yet post OT
stuff without 'OT'  in the subject line! I use some Pentax lenses on
Canon cameras, and if I post pics from these, they are most certainly on
topic. I would not dream of posting pics from non-Pentax gear with 'OT'
in the subject line, it's just common courtesy.

Graywolf has kindly hosted the FAQ, but if you ever met the guy, you'd
immediately warm to his lambasting style and over-opinionated
windbagging ! (Like I *never* do :-)))


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Re: On subject of flare.

[David Savage]

I've got a similar problem with mine.

Many years ago I had the tripod set up very low to the ground. One of
the clamps wasn't done up tight enough, though I thought it was. I
turned away and when I turned back the head was very slowly pivoting
down and stopped when the end of the lens hit a rock.

It only travelled about 50mm but since then the zoom ring is stiff and
using the power zoom is a no go.

As a matter of fact it happened while taking this picture (or one of
the frames either side of it):



But the good news is, the filter rings' paint got scratched and not
the lenses. :-)

Dave

On 6/19/06, John Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must just confirm Dave's thoughts there; my FA28-105 had to be repaired
> after being knocked off a table while travelling in Hong Kong, although the
> only visible damage was to the filter ring, the internals were very stiff
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Re: GESOS

[Cotty]

On 19/6/06, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I would not dream of posting pics from non-Pentax gear with 'OT'
>in the subject line, it's just common courtesy.

Of course, that should read:

 I would not dream of posting pics from non-Pentax gear *without*  'OT'
in the subject line, it's just common courtesy.

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Re: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website

[Cotty]

On 19/6/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That site includes a rather worrying story:
>http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#gatech
>
>Don't throw your film cameras away yet, folks.

I thought the same thing but this para is interesting:

>There are some caveats, according to Summet. Current camera-neutralizing
>technology may never work against single-lens-reflex cameras, which use
>a folding-mirror viewing system that effectively masks its CCD except
>when a photo is actually being taken. Moreover, anti-digital techniques
>don't work on conventional film cameras because they have no image sensor. 

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Re: GESOS

[David Savage]

Of course it should.

Good thing some of us knew what you meant.;-)

Dave

On 6/19/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19/6/06, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> > I would not dream of posting pics from non-Pentax gear with 'OT'
> >in the subject line, it's just common courtesy.
>
> Of course, that should read:
>
>  I would not dream of posting pics from non-Pentax gear *without*  'OT'
> in the subject line, it's just common courtesy.
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PESO - Decorated Car

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_3096.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_detail_3108.jpg

A couple of detailed pics of a well known car in the area.  The files are
large as I could find  no way to make them smaller and show any detail at
all.  They're part of a
"what-I-saw-that-may-be-interesting-to-someone-else" series, just a
document, as it were.


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Re: GESOs

[Rob Geraghty]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 19/6/06, Rob Geraghty, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>In the FAQ. :)
> Many people post GESOs, and it is up the
> individual whether or not to view them. If
> I have time, I will have a look, some will
> always look, others will never look.

Fair enough!

> The only thing I would say is that as long as
> your post is relevant to Pentax gear, then it
> is on topic. Anything else is OT

Also fair enough.  Most of my photos were taken with
my Pentax MZ5, so they're not OT.  However, quite a
few of the images currently in the Japan section are
stills from my Sony camcorder.  I hope to replace them
with scans from the MZ5.  The shot of Kinkakuji in
particular, as I have a shot taken with Fujichrome
100F which is wonderful.

My apologies to anyone who looked at the Japan
pictures yesterday.  I didn't realise I'd accidentally
posted the original jpegs from the Sony, and they were
excessively large for the quality of the images.  It's
a great video camera but a pretty ordinary still
camera.  However, being relatively poor, I couldn't
afford to take as many on film as I'd have liked, and
the Pentax istD was about US$2400 at the time.

If anyone has any comments on the pics, I'd love the
feedback.

Rob

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Re: Magnum event, London

[frank theriault]

On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> http://www.web-options.com/P6180644s.jpg
>
> Bob

I met Larry Towell at a book-signing here in Toronto about a year ago.

Say hi to him for me, will you?

cheers,
frank

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Re: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 2:28, Bob W wrote:

> That site includes a rather worrying story:
> http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#gatech
>
> Don't throw your film cameras away yet, folks.
>

"There are some caveats, according to Summet. Current camera- 
neutralizing technology may never work against single-lens-reflex  
cameras, which use a folding-mirror viewing system that effectively  
masks its CCD except when a photo is actually being taken."

I'm not worried.

  :-)

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Re: Asahi ghostless filter

[Dario Bonazza]

Ghostless filters were made by Pentax in the 60's. They achieved their 
ghostless effect by being curved (outer surface is convex, while inner one 
is concave), as opposed to conventional flat filters, which cause a mirror 
effect when bright lights are in the field. E.g. a bright spot in upper left 
corner of a night shot doubles as a non+existent bright spot in lower right 
corner.

Asahi's hostless filters were a brilliant soluition to a little-known 
problem, but they got not enough attention and purchases for keep 
manufacturing them (since they were costly compared to manufacturing filters 
by cutting many filters out of a single flat glass plate)

Such filters were made before smc, hence they are not smc coated.

They have nothing to do with ghostless coating, which is a much newer 
coating technology for inner lens elements, developed by Pentax in the 90's.

Dario


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> Toine wrote:
>> I can buy an Asahi ghostless filter. Are these filters SMC coated?
>
> They're not SMC, they're "ghostless", which is an even higher
> performance coating.  (Probably with more layers.)
>
>> While searching with google someone claimed these filters are curved
>> to prevent flare...
>
> I have heard that stated on this list, too.
>
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Re: I saw this and thought of Frank...

[graywolf]

Well there is a picture inside the color photo.

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> 
> Colour:
> http://www.web-options.com/P6180646s.jpg
> 
> Desaturated:
> http://www.web-options.com/P6180646bw.jpg
> 
> Just right:
> http://www.web-options.com/P6180646f.jpg
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RE: Asahi ghostless filter

[Anthony Farr]

Mike Wilson wrote:
> 
> A curved filter would be useless for general use.
> 

While that may seem a logical claim, curved filters were (are?) in fact made
by our very own Asahi Optical Co. for the very reason that they eliminated
ghosting.  Although curved they have no optical properties, the surfaces are
parallel just as they would be if the filters were flat.  A ghostless filter
is a double meniscus with a zero dioptre.

What makes these filters ghostless is that the ~image-forming~ rays always
go through the glass at 90 degrees, unlike a flat filter where the angle of
incidence increases more and more as the rays are collected further outwards
from the optical axis.  The divergence from the perpendicular is what causes
ghosting, and is why ghostless filters work. 

They may appear to be full of distortion on a casual inspection, just like
an old style watch glass, but the light rays that look distorted ~are not~
image forming rays.

I have always wondered if these filters were matched to particular lenses or
lens types, e.g. very curved for very wide angle lenses and almost flat for
long focal lengths.

Regards,
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RE: Asahi ghostless filter

[Anthony Farr]

I wrote:

> A ghostless filter is a double meniscus with a zero dioptre.
> 

Strike out the word "double", there is only one piece of glass in a
ghostless filter.

Brain fart :-)

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Re: PESO -Soap

[gibikote]

looking for inspiration, eh?
:-)

Sridhar

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From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:10 AM
Subject: PESO -Soap


> Just fooling around with something a little different.
> 
> Comments, crits, rotten tomatoes welcome ...
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/soap.html
> 
> 
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Re: Asahi ghostless filter

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Asahi ghostless filter


> Where from?  Asahi is a common Japanese company (part) name.  Not 
> neccessarily Pentax.  I would be very careful about this purchase.
>
> A curved filter would be useless for general use.

I have a Pentax ghostless filter around here somewhere. It definitely is 
curved glass, and it is about as useful as any onther clear protective 
filter.

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Re: PESO - Decorated Car

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I think I've seen that car too. A rolling art project.

Godfrey

On Jun 19, 2006, at 3:30 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_3096.jpg
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_detail_3108.jpg


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Re: K100D SR

[David J Brooks]

At least it will be, much, lighter than the D200 or D2H using the VR  
Nikon lens. Its pretty heavy, but the vr/sr systems really help.

Looking forward for hands on inspection.

Thnaks Ken

Dave

Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Great news. I'm looking forward to the 10 megapixel model. The older I
> get, the more I need IS :-).
> Paul
>
>   K wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just encountered a very brief review of the effectiveness of the
>> K100D (Beta) SR.
>> Reviewer is a well known camera writer who always has a privilege for
>> sneak previews.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ken
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RE: GESO - Don't shoot me!

[David J Brooks]

Quoting Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> One word of warning though (and this applies to everyone).>
> Ducks. Don't bother.

Thanks for letting me know that.

Bw Haaa H

Dave
>
> --
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>  Bob
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Rob Geraghty
>> Sent: 18 June 2006 12:11
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: GESO - Don't shoot me!
>>
>> I just read that links to galleries are frowned on,
>> but I was keen to get some feedback on a few pictures
>> I just uploaded to my website.  There's only a few
>> online at the moment but I plan to add more.
>>
>> Most of the pictures were taken with a Pentax MZ5,
>> which I think was called the ZX5 in the US.  A few are
>> stills from  my Sony camcorder. Recently most of my
>> time doing anything photography related has been taken
>> up with editing video, but I love still image
>> photography.  Sadly, I haven't yet got a DSLR.
>>
>> http://www.wordweb.com/gallery
>>
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Re: RE: Asahi ghostless filter

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/06/19 Mon PM 01:42:34 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Asahi ghostless filter
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Wilson wrote:
> > 
> > A curved filter would be useless for general use.
> > 
> 
> While that may seem a logical claim, curved filters were (are?) in fact made
> by our very own Asahi Optical Co. for the very reason that they eliminated
> ghosting.  Although curved they have no optical properties, the surfaces are
> parallel just as they would be if the filters were flat.  A ghostless filter
> is a double meniscus with a zero dioptre.
> 
> What makes these filters ghostless is that the ~image-forming~ rays always
> go through the glass at 90 degrees, unlike a flat filter where the angle of
> incidence increases more and more as the rays are collected further outwards
> from the optical axis.  The divergence from the perpendicular is what causes
> ghosting, and is why ghostless filters work. 
> 
> They may appear to be full of distortion on a casual inspection, just like
> an old style watch glass, but the light rays that look distorted ~are not~
> image forming rays.
> 
> I have always wondered if these filters were matched to particular lenses or
> lens types, e.g. very curved for very wide angle lenses and almost flat for
> long focal lengths.

That would, I think, have to be the case.  It was the basis of my comment, as 
one curve would not apply to all lenses.  As far as I can see.

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Re: PESO - Decorated Car

[gibikote]

amazing! havent seen anything like it.
I guess kids find the card very interesting...
thanks for sharing.

Sridhar

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To: "PDML" 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: PESO - Decorated Car


> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_3096.jpg
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_detail_3108.jpg
> 
> A couple of detailed pics of a well known car in the area.  The files are
> large as I could find  no way to make them smaller and show any detail at
> all.  They're part of a
> "what-I-saw-that-may-be-interesting-to-someone-else" series, just a
> document, as it were.
> 
> 
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Re: K100D SR

[dick graham]

I missed the source of the review, please repeat the name of the source of 
the KD 100 SR review.

DG



At 03:43 PM 6/18/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks, Ken. Great report and good news about the SR. I too wish that
>Pentax was not so conservative.
>
>"Pentax have been developing this system over so many years, way before
>Minolta announced the CCD shift method, and even during the film camera
>era."
>
>Ken, do you mean than even when Pentax produced only film cameras, they
>were nonetheless working on shake reduction for an eventual digital sensor?
>
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Re: PESO - Decorated Car

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:36, gibikote wrote:

> amazing! havent seen anything like it.
> I guess kids find the card very interesting...
> thanks for sharing.
>

Every year here in Minneapolis we have the "Art Car Parade".  People  
can bring whatever funky vehicle they want.  Some have painted their  
cars, some have glued corks all over the outside (the "Cork Truck" is  
pretty neat).

I took some photos at last year's parade.  Nothing fancy, just  
snapshots, but if you like the idea maybe something here will be  
entertaining too:

  http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2005artcar

  -Charles

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Re: camera club question re: projected image contests

[brooksdj]

> > > Tom said
> 
> NO! There's no way in hell I'm going to wrestle with that goddamned scanner 
> and
software.
That's why I shoot slides in the first place. I don't want to deal with any of 
that.
> 
> Why do you think the playing field will be uneven? In which way?
> 
> I fully expect to be at a competitive disadvantage because my slides are what 
> they are
and
the digital images can be altered. The digitally projected images at the GFM 
presentations
didn't seem to suffer much compated to the slides that were shown.

I thought the quality was very good. Was'nt there a comment from Don about the 
new
projector and 
cost of same.

Good is better i say.:-)

Dave
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> Tom Reese
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Re: PESO - Decorated Car

[gibikote]

fantastic.
its a different world I live in, where a small % of us own a car.
and wouldnt dream (rather nightmare) of 'defacing' it !

regards
Sridhar
(India)


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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Decorated Car


> On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:36, gibikote wrote:
> 
>> amazing! havent seen anything like it.
>> I guess kids find the card very interesting...
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
> 
> Every year here in Minneapolis we have the "Art Car Parade".  People  
> can bring whatever funky vehicle they want.  Some have painted their  
> cars, some have glued corks all over the outside (the "Cork Truck" is  
> pretty neat).
> 
> I took some photos at last year's parade.  Nothing fancy, just  
> snapshots, but if you like the idea maybe something here will be  
> entertaining too:
> 
>  http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2005artcar
> 
>  -Charles
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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Martin Trautmann]

On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote:
> Hi All,
> Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR
> & other K10d features.
> 

What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users,
upgrading their firmware?

So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do
not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades?

:  Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models? 
:: Yes, it is.
:
:  Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models? 
:
:: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the
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Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Joseph Tainter]

My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are 
two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big 
Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.

Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?

Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF 
360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have 
found that this makes photographing birds difficult.

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A50 F1.2

[Joseph Tainter]

There have been posts over at dpreview with photos taken with this lens. 
I loved the color rendition and minimal dof, so I went ahead last night 
and ordered one from B&H. It wasn't in my buying plans now, but I have 
learned that if one wants a piece of discontinued Pentax gear, he who 
hesitates is lost.

And sure enough, I apparently got the last one that B&H had. The web 
site showed out of stock thereafter. I wonder if B&H will be able to get 
more.  I suppose there are probably a few new ones still in camera 
stores in larger cities.

Joe

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Re: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website

[Steve Jolly]

Bob W wrote:
> That site includes a rather worrying story:
> http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#gatech
> 
> Don't throw your film cameras away yet, folks.

I saw that a while back, and tbh I really can't see the point.  It makes 
the crazy assumption that all digital sensors reflect IR straight back 
out of the lens.  Even if the system can react fast enough to blind a 
DSLR (it'll only be able to see the sensor when the shutter's open), you 
can *trivially* defeat the whole system by putting an IR-reflecting 
filter in front of your lens at a 45 degree angle.

A waste of time, IMO.

s

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom Reese]

there's a website called hummingbird.net that might answer your questions. I 
personally think you should stay way clear. You tip off predators and you 
stress the parents and the chicks when you start poking around birds nests. 

 -- Original message --
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> My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are 
> two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big 
> Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> 
> Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> 
> Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF 
> 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have 
> found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> 
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RE: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

Generally 2 - 3 weeks from the time the egg is laid.  They say in the nest 
for up to a month after that.

We have 'tons', well maybe a pound or so of hummingbirds and I have never 
found a nest yet.  You have a unique opportunity.

Do you know waht kind of hummingbird they may be?


Tom C.






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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:51:45 -0600
>
>My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
>two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big
>Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
>
>Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
>
>Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
>360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
>found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
>
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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Perry Pellechia]

How do you know that these improvement can be implemented with just a
firmware upgrade?   Where did you find this information?

On 6/19/06, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR
> > & other K10d features.
> > 
>
> What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users,
> upgrading their firmware?
>
> So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do
> not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades?
>
> :  Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models?
> :: Yes, it is.
> :
> :  Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models?
> :
> :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the
> :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware.
>
>
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

And not learn anything?


Tom C.






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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:32 +
>
>there's a website called hummingbird.net that might answer your questions. 
>I personally think you should stay way clear. You tip off predators and you 
>stress the parents and the chicks when you start poking around birds nests.
>
>  -- Original message --
>From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
> > two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big
> > Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> >
> > Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> >
> > Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
> > 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
> > found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> >
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Re: Is this a cliché?

[wendy beard]

On 6/17/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I took this photo in Robin Hood's Bay last week:
> http://www.web-options.com/Places/pages/P6120594.htm
>
> I rather like it, but at the time I took it it seemed very familiar to
> me, and I can't shake the nagging feeling that I've seen an almost
> identical black & white photo elsewhere.

It's "The Van"

At least that's what I thought when I saw it.

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Re: PESO - Gooderham Flatiron.

[skye]

I'm not much for buildings, but this looks very nice to me. I guess I
wish the car in front wasn't there, but I like the juxtaposition of
the older building in front and the newer buildings in the back.

-- skye

On 6/18/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shot this with an ancient Soligor Auto 35mm f2.8 screwmount lens on
> Aaron's LX. It's the original flatiron building, Toronto's Gooderham
> Building. One of my favourite subjects. Tri-X in Rodinal 1:25.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/170072183/
>
> And for those who dislike flickr, a large version via direct link:
>
> http://static.flickr.com/76/170072183_896883d68d_b.jpg
>
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RE: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://tinyurl.com/9lk2w

http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!3F!A1!C8056DCE07F2/Velpics/HUM/

It's an interesting site, but bear in mind that the photography was done in
a manner very different from what you want to do.  IMO, I'd leave 'em alone
- certainly using a flash will be very intrusive.  This is one of those
situations where it may be best not to take the picture.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Tainter 

> My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are 
> two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big 
> Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
>
> Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
>
> Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF 
> 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have 
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Robert and Leigh Woerner]

Joseph,

If it is a pair of Ruby-throateds, the incubation time is 11-14 days 
according to "The Birder's Handbook". If it is another species post that 
info and I'll find other data for you. Time to fledge is 14-28 days.

Robert


Joseph Tainter wrote:
> My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are 
> two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big 
> Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
>
> Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
>
> Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF 
> 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have 
> found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
>
> Joe
>
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OT (sort of) Samsung GX 1S review

[Butch Black]

Hi Guys

FYI there is a review of the Samsung GX 1S from DCResource 
www.dcresource.com From a quick reading it looks like they increased the 
sharpening and saturation from the Pentax levels and possibly their highest 
quality jpeg may have less compression.

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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It is the job of engineers at Pentax to constantly improve the image  
quality of the cameras they produce. Not all of these improvements  
are *possible* to do to older bodies, even if it were cost effective  
to do so. Even if there are substantial image quality gains to be had  
in JPEG rendering, much of the algorithm used is embedded into the  
hardware of the graphics rendering chip in a digital camera for both  
speed and cost reasons.

There is no reason to assume that a firmware upgrade can change the  
rendering algorithm beyond a certain point. Pentax has done what an  
excellent job of providing useful improvements with firmware  
revisions to the *ist D_ series cameras, and is supporting the  
existing user base very well.

Godfrey


On Jun 19, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:

>> 
>
> What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users,
> upgrading their firmware?
>
> So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality,  
> they do
> not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades?
>
> :  Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models?
> :: Yes, it is.
> :
> :  Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series  
> models?
> :
> :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered  
> by the
> :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware.


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Re: Pentax Advertising on Steve's Digcams Website

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Steve Jolly wrote:

> Bob W wrote:
>> That site includes a rather worrying story:
>> http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#gatech
>>
>> Don't throw your film cameras away yet, folks.
>
> ... A waste of time, IMO.

It's just the usual "technology press release" alarmist nonsense, Bob  
W. They've achieved their end: they caught your attention and made  
you notice.

The problem they are trying to solve is digital video pirating of  
cinema. That's the situation in which a camera has to be mounted in a  
stable manner and operated for a long enough period of time for a  
sensor system to find and recognize a recording device, and then  
attempt to defeat the recording. They figure the motion picture  
industry will fund this kind of research because the motion picture  
industry perceives that they are losing billions of dollars annually  
through pirating. The technology has potential as an anti-spy measure  
as well, presuming miniature hidden digital camera emplacements in a  
closed room area that a sensor can sweep, identify and defeat. The  
security industry might be interested to fund further research..

Unless you have the intent of pirating movies or opening a covert  
surveillance business,  you have nothing to worry about.

Godfrey

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

At our house the hummingbirds fly right up to me and look me in the eye from 
a foot away.  They buzz us and fly all around us within inches, especially 
if we are wearing anything red, purple, pink.  They often come and eat out 
of the feeder while it's in my hand as I'm attempting to hang it up.

I understand your concern, but in general hummingbirds seem to be some of 
the most fearless birds there are.


Tom C.






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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:07:13 -0600
>
>And not learn anything?
>
>
>Tom C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Reese)
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> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >Subject: Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:32 +
> >
> >there's a website called hummingbird.net that might answer your 
>questions.
> >I personally think you should stay way clear. You tip off predators and 
>you
> >stress the parents and the chicks when you start poking around birds 
>nests.
> >
> >  -- Original message --
> >From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
> > > two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big
> > > Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> > >
> > > Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
> > > 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
> > > found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> > >
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom Reese]

learning something isn't reason enough to jeopardize the well being of wildlife 
IMO. It's a question of ethics. If the animals know you're there then you're 
too close. A nice photograph isn't worth a birds death.

From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> And not learn anything?
> 
> > >
> >there's a website called hummingbird.net that might answer your questions. 
> >I personally think you should stay way clear. You tip off predators and you 
> >stress the parents and the chicks when you start poking around birds nests.
> >
> >  -- Original message --
> >From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
> > > two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big
> > > Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> > >
> > > Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
> > > 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
> > > found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> > >
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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Martin Trautmann]

On 2006-06-19 12:02, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> How do you know that these improvement can be implemented with just a
> firmware upgrade?   Where did you find this information?

It's within the documents, both referenced and quoted below.

Once again: "image quality is even higher [...] due to upgraded firmware"

They name *firmware*, not *hardware*. There may be other reasons why a
firmware upgrade is not done for *istD. As long as someone else does not
name better sources, you might even guess that a *istD upgrade is 
prevented in order to justify higher K10* sales.

> On 6/19/06, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> > Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR
>> > & other K10d features.
>> > 
>>
>> What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users,
>> upgrading their firmware?
>>
>> So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do
>> not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades?
>>
>> :  Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models?
>> :: Yes, it is.
>> :
>> :  Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models?
>> :
>> :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the
>> :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware.

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Shel Belinkoff]

But the chicks don't fly up to you, do they?   Joe's an amateur at this,
and doesn't know what he's doing.  

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C 

> At our house the hummingbirds fly right up to me and look me in the eye
from 
> a foot away.  They buzz us and fly all around us within inches,
especially 
> if we are wearing anything red, purple, pink.  They often come and eat
out 
> of the feeder while it's in my hand as I'm attempting to hang it up.
>
> I understand your concern, but in general hummingbirds seem to be some of 
> the most fearless birds there are.



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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'd avoid the flash entirely. That would be overly intrusive.

If you can get a clear sight line, a 600mm lens should allow you to  
be adequately far away while still getting enough magnification to  
take good quality photos. Otherwise, you have to work the situation  
as a professional ought: with respect for the critters, patience and  
care.

I love hummers. There are lots of them around the neighborhood here  
and they're a joy to watch as they stake out and defend their  
territories. I've only ever seen one hummingbird nest while the birds  
were resident.

Godfrey


On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/9lk2w
>
> http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!3F!A1!C8056DCE07F2/Velpics/HUM/
>
> It's an interesting site, but bear in mind that the photography was  
> done in
> a manner very different from what you want to do.  IMO, I'd leave  
> 'em alone
> - certainly using a flash will be very intrusive.  This is one of  
> those
> situations where it may be best not to take the picture.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Joseph Tainter
>
>> My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
>> two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up  
>> Big
>> Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
>>
>> Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
>>
>> Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
>> 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
>> found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
>
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom Reese]

We feed them too and they do buzz all around. I have no objection to setting up 
on a flower and taking pictures because the birds are oblivious to us. They 
don't notice us in that circumstance. Birds nests are favorite targets of 
predators and moving branches etc to get better views, fussing around the nests 
etc can tip the predators off.

I don't think it's ethical to poke around birds nests. That's just my opinion.

> At our house the hummingbirds fly right up to me and look me in the eye from 
> a foot away.  They buzz us and fly all around us within inches, especially 
> if we are wearing anything red, purple, pink.  They often come and eat out 
> of the feeder while it's in my hand as I'm attempting to hang it up.
> 
> I understand your concern, but in general hummingbirds seem to be some of 
> the most fearless birds there are.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: pdml@pdml.net
> >Subject: Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:07:13 -0600
> >
> >And not learn anything?
> >
> >
> >Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Reese)
> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > >Subject: Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
> > >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:32 +
> > >
> > >there's a website called hummingbird.net that might answer your 
> >questions.
> > >I personally think you should stay way clear. You tip off predators and 
> >you
> > >stress the parents and the chicks when you start poking around birds 
> >nests.
> > >
> > >  -- Original message --
> > >From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are
> > > > two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big
> > > > Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> > > >
> > > > Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF
> > > > 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have
> > > > found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> > > >
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

With a 600mm lens equating to a 900mm lens, assuming the nest is where he 
found it and he can get a good vantage point, he should be 15 - 20 feet away 
and still get an image where a grown hummingbird mostly fills the frame.

I'm not saying the nest should be moved or disturbed, and I didn't sense 
that was the case based on Joe's comment.



Tom C.






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>
>But the chicks don't fly up to you, do they?   Joe's an amateur at this,
>and doesn't know what he's doing.
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tom C
>
> > At our house the hummingbirds fly right up to me and look me in the eye
>from
> > a foot away.  They buzz us and fly all around us within inches,
>especially
> > if we are wearing anything red, purple, pink.  They often come and eat
>out
> > of the feeder while it's in my hand as I'm attempting to hang it up.
> >
> > I understand your concern, but in general hummingbirds seem to be some 
>of
> > the most fearless birds there are.
>
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

Hey, all you have to do is set up where the light reflecting off the subject 
enters the objective and reaches focus at the focal plane.  It's not rocket 
science.

Of course new born chicks can't fly, but as soon as they do it's actally 
pretty hard to tell the difference between them and the adults unless 
they're still and you can get a good look at the markings.

I'd conclude that if the hummingbirds built a nest in his backyard, that it 
was their choice and they were aware of the proximity of humans.

I'm sure he'll be careful and unobtrusive.  Not doing so would certainly 
reduce the possibility for good shots, as it would with any wildlife.


Tom C.






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>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:26:36 -0700
>
>But the chicks don't fly up to you, do they?   Joe's an amateur at this,
>and doesn't know what he's doing.
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tom C
>
> > At our house the hummingbirds fly right up to me and look me in the eye
>from
> > a foot away.  They buzz us and fly all around us within inches,
>especially
> > if we are wearing anything red, purple, pink.  They often come and eat
>out
> > of the feeder while it's in my hand as I'm attempting to hang it up.
> >
> > I understand your concern, but in general hummingbirds seem to be some 
>of
> > the most fearless birds there are.
>
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Shel Belinkoff]

I heard the word "Flash" ... that's too intrusive.  Plus, Joe may have to
get close and move branches to clear the way to get a shot.  Nests are
usually hidden by branches and leaves.  Leave 'em alone ...

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C 

> With a 600mm lens equating to a 900mm lens, assuming the nest is where he 
> found it and he can get a good vantage point, he should be 15 - 20 feet
away 
> and still get an image where a grown hummingbird mostly fills the frame.
>
> I'm not saying the nest should be moved or disturbed, and I didn't sense 
> that was the case based on Joe's comment.
>
>
>
> Tom C.



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PESO: Soapbox Derby

[Fred Widall]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwwidall/169810752/

On Saturday my local community association held its annual 
soapbox derby. The kids raced down a hill in their creations,
and a fun time was had by all.

Here's one of the many shots I took with the *istDS and  F 70-210mm.
Shutter speed was 1/750, F8, ISO400, 'action' program mode. The image is
uncropped.



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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Perry Pellechia]

I think you need to read Godfrey's reply.

On 6/19/06, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2006-06-19 12:02, Perry Pellechia wrote:
> > How do you know that these improvement can be implemented with just a
> > firmware upgrade?   Where did you find this information?
>
> It's within the documents, both referenced and quoted below.
>
> Once again: "image quality is even higher [...] due to upgraded firmware"
>
> They name *firmware*, not *hardware*. There may be other reasons why a
> firmware upgrade is not done for *istD. As long as someone else does not
> name better sources, you might even guess that a *istD upgrade is
> prevented in order to justify higher K10* sales.
>
> > On 6/19/06, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On 2006-06-09 15:31, Simon King wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > Just in case this isn't already known by all, here's a fact sheet on SR
> >> > & other K10d features.
> >> > 
> >>
> >> What I learn from the doc: Pentax does not mind about former users,
> >> upgrading their firmware?
> >>
> >> So even if Pentax knew about solutions to improve picture quality, they do
> >> not necessarily take the effort to make upgrades?
> >>
> >> :  Is the CCD identical with the one used in *ist D-series models?
> >> :: Yes, it is.
> >> :
> >> :  Are there any improvements in image quality over *ist D-series models?
> >> :
> >> :: Yes, the K100D's image quality is even higher than that offered by the
> >> :: *ist D series due to upgraded firmware.
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

What's with all the assumptions Shel? Why worry about Joe's behavior with 
respect to the hummingbirds?  That's his own business, IMO.

I've used flash on hummingbirds while they were under the eaves over my 
front walkway feeding and being sheltered from the rain.  Too tell the 
truth, I don't think they cared because it didn't cause a change in their 
behavior and they didn't go away.

In general I'd prefer natural light for obvious reasons.

Tom C.






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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:54:01 -0700
>
>I heard the word "Flash" ... that's too intrusive.  Plus, Joe may have to
>get close and move branches to clear the way to get a shot.  Nests are
>usually hidden by branches and leaves.  Leave 'em alone ...
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tom C
>
> > With a 600mm lens equating to a 900mm lens, assuming the nest is where 
>he
> > found it and he can get a good vantage point, he should be 15 - 20 feet
>away
> > and still get an image where a grown hummingbird mostly fills the frame.
> >
> > I'm not saying the nest should be moved or disturbed, and I didn't sense
> > that was the case based on Joe's comment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom C.
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Re: K100D SR

[Doug Franklin]

Takeshita K wrote:

> I just encountered a very brief review of the effectiveness of the  
> K100D (Beta) SR.

That sounds great, but the thing I wonder about is how SR interacts with 
panning.  That is, does it help, does it hurt, do you have to turn SR 
off when panning, ...

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[pnstenquist]

I would skip the flash if you can get enough light in there for 1/250th or so 
wide open at ISO 400. You can do high-speed synch with the lstest Pentax 
flashes or the Sigma 500 Super. I use the Sigma with a Kirk flash Xtender for 
bird photography.
Paul
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From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My son just found a hummingbird nest in a tree in our yard. There are 
> two tiny eggs in it. When the babies hatch, I would like to set up Big 
> Bertha (F* 600 F4) and fire away.
> 
> Does anyone know how long hummingbird eggs take to hatch?
> 
> Any other advice on shooting these critters? I'll probably use the AF 
> 360FGZ flash, but the D has a flash synch speed of only 1/150. I have 
> found that this makes photographing birds difficult.
> 
> Joe
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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:

> It's within the documents, both referenced and quoted below.
>
> Once again: "image quality is even higher [...] due to upgraded  
> firmware"
>
> They name *firmware*, not *hardware*. There may be other reasons why a
> firmware upgrade is not done for *istD. As long as someone else  
> does not
> name better sources, you might even guess that a *istD upgrade is
> prevented in order to justify higher K10* sales.

"Upgraded firmware" might well be dependent upon image processing  
resources not available in prior versions of the hardware. Don't be  
so literal.

The imaging sensor is not the only component in the image processing  
system.

Godfrey

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hey, I just posted my opinion and we disagreed.  However, if he's going to
disturb a nest, then he has to understand the possible repercussions, and
that's not just his business. It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
indicating how they feel about the matter. 

Anyway, there's no need to argue this point any further.  Joe will have
read all the comments and will make up his own mind.  My position is clear
- take a cautious approach and leave 'em alone.  You don't see it that way
... OK, we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

BTW, were the birds you photographed hatchlings in a nest?  Was the mother
sitting on eggs?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> What's with all the assumptions Shel? Why worry about Joe's behavior with 
> respect to the hummingbirds?  That's his own business, IMO.
>
> I've used flash on hummingbirds while they were under the eaves over my 
> front walkway feeding and being sheltered from the rain.  Too tell the 
> truth, I don't think they cared because it didn't cause a change in their 
> behavior and they didn't go away.
>
> In general I'd prefer natural light for obvious reasons.



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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[pnstenquist]

I certainly would recommend against moving or touching a nest, but I would 
certainly try to get a shot. I wouldn't hesitate to use flash, if it's the best 
way to get the shot. I've found that birds don't seem to react to flash. A 
noise will immediately frighten them away, but I've gotten repeated shots of 
resting birds with flash. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
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> I heard the word "Flash" ... that's too intrusive.  Plus, Joe may have to
> get close and move branches to clear the way to get a shot.  Nests are
> usually hidden by branches and leaves.  Leave 'em alone ...
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tom C 
> 
> > With a 600mm lens equating to a 900mm lens, assuming the nest is where he 
> > found it and he can get a good vantage point, he should be 15 - 20 feet
> away 
> > and still get an image where a grown hummingbird mostly fills the frame.
> >
> > I'm not saying the nest should be moved or disturbed, and I didn't sense 
> > that was the case based on Joe's comment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom C.
> 
> 
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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Martin Trautmann]

On 2006-06-19 09:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> It is the job of engineers at Pentax to constantly improve the image  
> quality of the cameras they produce. Not all of these improvements  
> are *possible* to do to older bodies, even if it were cost effective  
> to do so. Even if there are substantial image quality gains to be had  
> in JPEG rendering, much of the algorithm used is embedded into the  
> hardware of the graphics rendering chip in a digital camera for both  
> speed and cost reasons.

Hi Godfrey,

thanks for the comment. But do you have any insight, which of this does
apply to K100D vs. *istD?

- is the image quality better? Pentax says yes.

- is the sensor identical? Pentax says yes.

- is there any relevant different hardware?

  Pentax does not state this clearly. I'd expect certain
  improvements, although I don't know whether these differences
  will absolutely prevent a firmware improvement for old hardware,
  whether they are required for image quality or whether they
  focus on other limitations.

- is it a firmware difference? Pentax says yes.

> There is no reason to assume that a firmware upgrade can change the  
> rendering algorithm beyond a certain point. 

That's a reasonable argumentation. But it does lack the proof.
On the other hand, we got an 'official' document. My interpretation is
kind of worst case, which may be far beyond the goal of this interview.
But for dicussion, I feel that it's a reasonable assumption to
guess that what they write is actually true.

> Pentax has done what an  
> excellent job of providing useful improvements with firmware  
> revisions to the *ist D_ series cameras, and is supporting the  
> existing user base very well.

They have done significant improvements. I'm not that much into the
details to know whether they did enough improvements (people are happy
with image quality? reasonable balance between jpg quality, speed and
size, compared to picture quality from RAW processing to other jpg? 
Small RAW sizes by now?). 

But I know many products which could be (almost) as good as others, as
long as they were not crippled by software limitations. For example, I got
an MP3 player recently (iRiver U10 2GB UMS). There's a new player around
by now with better startup and better navigation (iRiver clix, although
much cheaper). I know that it got an upgraded CPU, compared to the first
512 MB and 1 GB models. But I doubt that the improvements could not be
ported to the former U10.  On the other hand the company provided a
surprising update to convert between MTP and UMS software - former models
for the US market where crippled to the MTP version. Now bad omens claim
that this is a final move since iRiver might leave this market, so they
don't mind about decreasing Win friendliness.

If you know better about the questions above, please let me know.
- Martin


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Re: K100D SR

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

> That sounds great, but the thing I wonder about is how SR interacts  
> with
> panning.  That is, does it help, does it hurt, do you have to turn SR
> off when panning, ...

In general, the other cameras/lenses I've owned that have image  
stabilization have special modes for panning which implement  
stabilization in the vertical direction while unlocking it in the  
horizontal direction. Whether the Pentax solution includes this kind  
of stuff or recognizes and does the right thing regarding large scale  
movement in one direction while maintaining stabilization service in  
the other is as yet unknown.

At the worst, you simply turn it off for panning work.

Godfrey

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Re: Shooting Digi in JPEG Mode

[Doug Franklin]

John Francis wrote:

> That's one of the major complaints about TIFF - there are so many little
> extra little features, etc., that it's just about impossible to write
> software that can read an arbitrary TIFF-compliant file.

Not impossible, just time consuming. ;-)  That's both the beauty and the 
curse of software, as you well know.  You can do almost anything, if 
you're willing to invest the time and resources.

> [...] claims to support TIFF *must* handle everything that baseline TIFF
> can contain (I don't belive that includes compression).

That's a nice theory, but there are plenty of TIFF readers out there 
that are deficient in various ways, that still claim baseline 
compliance.  Rarely occurs in popular commercial software, but I've 
bumped into quite a few in lesser known commercial software and 
shareware and freeware.  Open source code often is better about this, 
probably because someone downloads the software and it won't digest one 
of their files, so they fix it or send the file to someone who can. :-)

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Re: Asahi ghostless filter

[Toine]

Thanks for all the input. Sounds very interesting. I must try this at
home and ordered the filter..
Toine

On 6/19/06, Toine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can buy an Asahi ghostless filter. Are these filters SMC coated?
> While searching with google someone claimed these filters are curved
> to prevent flare...
> Toine
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Re: AF 1.7 converter

[John Francis]

On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 10:20:44PM -0400, Tom Simpson wrote:
> John Coyle wrote:
> 
> >Anyone have any ideas on current prices for this?  I just searched Ebay with 
> >no luck on current auctions.
> >
> >John Coyle
> >Brisbane, Australia 
> >
> >  
> >
> I just won one earlier today on eBay, a Tamron. Got it for a little over 
> US$20  :-) Not too bad, eh?
> 
> -Tom

The 1.7x AF adapter is more than just a simple TC - it contains
movable elements, allowing limited AF with manual focus lenses.


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Re: On subject of flare.

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 08:23:29PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
> Subject: Re: On subject of flare.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > I have several of them that I've used as table protectors for shot
> > glasses. They're much more useful that way than on the front of a lens.
> 
> My 600mm lens came with a 112mm filter on the front.
> The filter is sitting in my wife's display cabinet under a sculpture of a 
> sleeping Rottweiler.
> 
> William Robb 

I've purchased both 112mm and 77mm protective filters from members
of this group.  They've yet to get put on a lens, though - they're
just a precaution should I venture into unfriendly environments.


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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

>From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:21:08 -0700
>
>Hey, I just posted my opinion and we disagreed.  However, if he's going to
>disturb a nest, then he has to understand the possible repercussions, and
>that's not just his business. It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
>well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
>indicating how they feel about the matter.
>

Sure. My fundamental point is you don't have to be an expert to take 
hummingbird pictures and you don't have to disturb the nest either.  The 
first person to take a baby hummingbird picture wasn't an expert at it 
either, but how do we learn how to do it, without trying?

How do you know what your cat's thinking when you take it's picture?  It 
might be thinking. "Geez, what an a**hole.  Always taking my picture, 
showing it to strangers, posting it on the internet without my permission or 
model release.  And I can't write, speak English, or type to defend myself.  
I wish he's spend his time getting me another can of tuna."  :-)

>Anyway, there's no need to argue this point any further.

Point taken, I'll try and not argue.


>Joe will have
>read all the comments and will make up his own mind.  My position is clear
>- take a cautious approach and leave 'em alone.  You don't see it that way
>... OK, we have a fundamental difference of opinion.
>
>BTW, were the birds you photographed hatchlings in a nest?  Was the mother
>sitting on eggs?
>

Nope and Nope.  From 15 feet away I tend to think he'll not be bothering 
them.

>Tom C.



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Re: K10d fact sheet - no moustache!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:

> thanks for the comment. But do you have any insight, which of this  
> does
> apply to K100D vs. *istD?
> - is the image quality better? Pentax says yes.
> - is the sensor identical? Pentax says yes.
> - is there any relevant different hardware?
>   Pentax does not state this clearly. I'd expect certain
>   improvements, although I don't know whether these differences
>   will absolutely prevent a firmware improvement for old hardware,
>   whether they are required for image quality or whether they
>   focus on other limitations.
> - is it a firmware difference? Pentax says yes.

No. No one will know what all the differences are until the cameras  
are available for testing and dismantling, comparison. "Pentax  
says..." is an absurdly literal perception of this information.

>> There is no reason to assume that a firmware upgrade can change the
>> rendering algorithm beyond a certain point.
>
> That's a reasonable argumentation. But it does lack the proof. ...

I see absolutely no basis for trying to "prove" anything with this  
information unless what you want to do is complain about something.  
There is no possibility of proof as there is insufficient information  
to base a proof on. Analysis of the product will be the proof of any  
assertions, not some "technical document" offered by the marketing  
department.

What an "official document" of this nature means is that Pentax  
marketing wants to get some attention directed at the new products  
and their features. These documents mean next to nothing with regard  
to engineering and technical information.

Godfrey

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RE: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Malcolm Smith]

> Shel Belinkoff wrote:

>It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
> well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
> indicating how they feel about the matter.

If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For Windows.

Malcolm




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Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Joseph Tainter]

If it is a pair of Ruby-throateds, the incubation time is 11-14 days
according to "The Birder's Handbook". If it is another species post that
info and I'll find other data for you. Time to fledge is 14-28 days.

Robert

-

Okay...what kind is likely to reside in the central Rio Grande Valley of 
New Mexico in June?

If no one knows, I'll wait until the end of the week when my wife is 
back home. She is the one who set up the feeders.

Joe

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Re:A50 F1.2

[Jim King]

On Mon Jun 19 10:48:57 EST 2006 Joseph Tainter wrote:

> There have been posts over at dpreview with photos taken with this  
> lens.
> I loved the color rendition and minimal dof, so I went ahead last  
> night
> and ordered one from B&H. It wasn't in my buying plans now, but I have
> learned that if one wants a piece of discontinued Pentax gear, he who
> hesitates is lost.
>
> And sure enough, I apparently got the last one that B&H had. The web
> site showed out of stock thereafter. I wonder if B&H will be able  
> to get
> more.  I suppose there are probably a few new ones still in camera
> stores in larger cities.
>
> Joe

Hope you enjoy yours, Joe.  I certainly enjoy mine, as you know.   
This lens seems to be underrated by a lot of PDMLers.

Although new 50/1.2s are now rare, used ones come up on eBay now and  
then.  I got both my K and A versions on the 'Bay, and both were in  
excellent condition.

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Shel Belinkoff]

My cats don't eat tuna - it's not good for them ;-))

They are used to being photographed, they live in a socialized and domestic
environment, they're neither nesting nor caring for babies, and there's no
chance of predators being alerted by my "intrusion."  Totally different
situation, Tom.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Tom C 

> How do you know what your cat's thinking when you take it's picture?  It 
> might be thinking. "Geez, what an a**hole.  Always taking my picture, 
> showing it to strangers, posting it on the internet without my permission
or 
> model release.  And I can't write, speak English, or type to defend
myself.  
> I wish he's spend his time getting me another can of tuna."  :-)



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Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Joseph Tainter]

"I'd conclude that if the hummingbirds built a nest in his backyard, 
that it was their choice and they were aware of the proximity of humans."

Oh, definitely. My wife has feeders set up. There are chickens roosting 
in the same tree as the hummingbird nest. Our useless cats wander at 
will (the nest is pretty far out on a thin limb). From time to time a 
coyote comes into the yard in the morning to check whether there are any 
live morsels within reach. My son found the nest this morning because he 
saw the mother hummingbird worrying our border collie, who had wandered 
under the nest because it is in her territory and she always wanders there.

Thanks for the advice not to use flash. Other than that, Big Bertha will 
be far enough away that the nest is not going to be disturbed any more 
than is usual when we are in the yard.

Joe

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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
>> well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
>> indicating how they feel about the matter.
>
> If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For 
> Windows.

I saw a couple of sparrows browsing www.seed.com at the local RSS 
feeder the other day.

Jostein


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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

LOL on both counts.



Tom C.






>From: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:43:18 +0200
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Malcolm Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >>It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
> >> well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
> >> indicating how they feel about the matter.
> >
> > If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For
> > Windows.
>
>I saw a couple of sparrows browsing www.seed.com at the local RSS
>feeder the other day.
>
>Jostein
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[mike wilson]

Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> 
>>It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
>>well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
>>indicating how they feel about the matter.
> 
> 
> If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For Windows.
> 
> Malcolm

Duly nominated as "PDML Pun of the Year 2006"

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RE: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

http://bdi.org/Birdkey/BirdFrameset.cfm


Tom C.






>From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Subject: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:35:30 -0600
>
>If it is a pair of Ruby-throateds, the incubation time is 11-14 days
>according to "The Birder's Handbook". If it is another species post that
>info and I'll find other data for you. Time to fledge is 14-28 days.
>
>Robert
>
>-
>
>Okay...what kind is likely to reside in the central Rio Grande Valley of
>New Mexico in June?
>
>If no one knows, I'll wait until the end of the week when my wife is
>back home. She is the one who set up the feeders.
>
>Joe
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Tom C]

Of course it's different. :-)

I'm just making the point that it's not hard to photograph hummingbirds w/o 
disturbing them.  They probably chose the nest site because they had a ready 
food supply nearby (supplied by humans). If they were afraid of molestation 
they'd have probably gone somewhere else.

We have both chicadees and wrens in nesting boxes on our house.  While I 
don't pick up a stick   and poke it around in their box I can stand right 
under it and hear the babies and stand several feet away and watch the 
parents going in/out with food.

A lot of animals become very good at sharing their space with humans, 
especially when humans provide an incentive like food, water, or shelter.



Tom C.






>From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:36:16 -0700
>
>My cats don't eat tuna - it's not good for them ;-))
>
>They are used to being photographed, they live in a socialized and domestic
>environment, they're neither nesting nor caring for babies, and there's no
>chance of predators being alerted by my "intrusion."  Totally different
>situation, Tom.
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Tom C
>
> > How do you know what your cat's thinking when you take it's picture?  It
> > might be thinking. "Geez, what an a**hole.  Always taking my picture,
> > showing it to strangers, posting it on the internet without my 
>permission
>or
> > model release.  And I can't write, speak English, or type to defend
>myself.
> > I wish he's spend his time getting me another can of tuna."  :-)
>
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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Robert and Leigh Woerner]

Joe,

I live in South Carolina's Upstate region.  I would guess that the 
hummingbird species most likely to be in your yard are the Rufous, 
Calliope, or Broad-tailed.

Here are the times of incubation (I) and times to fledge (F) from the 
guide mentioned earlier:

RufousI= 12-14days
  F= 20days

Calliope I= 15-16days
 F= 18-23days

Broad-tailed I= 14-17days
F= 21-26days

If you want to buy the right bird book, go for Roger Tory Peterson's 
Field Guide to Birds. There is a western and eastern US version---get 
both. Hands down the absolute best field guides available for birds in 
the US. Roger Tory Peterson was an excellent bird illustrator.

With regard,

Robert in Greenville, SC


Joseph Tainter wrote:
> If it is a pair of Ruby-throateds, the incubation time is 11-14 days
> according to "The Birder's Handbook". If it is another species post that
> info and I'll find other data for you. Time to fledge is 14-28 days.
>
> Robert
>
> -
>
> Okay...what kind is likely to reside in the central Rio Grande Valley of 
> New Mexico in June?
>
> If no one knows, I'll wait until the end of the week when my wife is 
> back home. She is the one who set up the feeders.
>
> Joe
>
>   



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Re: Is this a cliché?

[frank theriault]

On 6/17/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I took this photo in Robin Hood's Bay last week:
> http://www.web-options.com/Places/pages/P6120594.htm
>
> I rather like it, but at the time I took it it seemed very familiar to
> me, and I can't shake the nagging feeling that I've seen an almost
> identical black & white photo elsewhere.
>
> I've searched the likeliest books I have, to no avail.
>
> I have also searched the Magnum site, and only found this:
> http://www.magnumphotos.com/c/htm/CSearchZ_MAG.aspx?Stat=SearchThumb_S
> earchZoom&o=&Total=10&FP=2736851&E=2V6DH6V3CHIK3&SID=JMGEJNTXNEL0T&Pic
> =8&SubE=29YL5354ACP8
>
> http://tinyurl.com/f4jl6
>
> But I don't think that's the one I have in mind. I have tried googling
> various terms, but haven't come up with anything. Yet I still think it
> is rather a cliché.
>
> Can anybody else identify a similar photo?
>

I can't identify a similar photo, but I do like yours, and I don't
think it's a cliche at all.

cheers,
frank

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Re: I saw this and thought of Frank...

[pnstenquist]

With a little bad tilt thrown in for good, or should I say bad, measure.
Paul
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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Just right:
> > http://www.web-options.com/P6180646f.jpg
> >
> 
> There's good blur and bad blur.
> 
> That's bad blur...
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: I saw this and thought of Frank...

[frank theriault]

On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Just right:
> http://www.web-options.com/P6180646f.jpg
>

There's good blur and bad blur.

That's bad blur...

cheers,
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Re: PESO: Soapbox Derby

[brooksdj]

Good motion blur.



Nice one for the family album

Dave  

> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwwidall/169810752/
> 
> On Saturday my local community association held its annual 
> soapbox derby. The kids raced down a hill in their creations,
> and a fun time was had by all.
> 
> Here's one of the many shots I took with the *istDS and  F 70-210mm.
> Shutter speed was 1/750, F8, ISO400, 'action' program mode. The image is
> uncropped.
> 
> 
> 
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RE: I saw this and thought of Frank...

[Bob W]

> On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Just right:
> > http://www.web-options.com/P6180646f.jpg
> >
> 
> There's good blur and bad blur.
> 
> That's bad blur...
> 

it's pictorial!

Bob



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Re: I saw this and thought of Frank...

[mike wilson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> With a little bad tilt thrown in for good, or should I say bad, measure.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just right:
>>>http://www.web-options.com/P6180646f.jpg
>>>
>>
>>There's good blur and bad blur.
>>
>>That's bad blur...
>>

As I understand modern idiom, which I believe you are a master of, the 
blur is thus better than good?

Or am I thinking of bad blur?

Confused of Sunderland

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RE: Magnum event, London

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of frank theriault
> Sent: 19 June 2006 12:57
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Magnum event, London
> 
> On 6/18/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.web-options.com/P6180644s.jpg
> >
> > Bob
> 
> I met Larry Towell at a book-signing here in Toronto about a year
ago.
> 

He's Canadian isn't he? I guess when he's over here he's a guest
Towell. I'll bet he loves it when people make that joke.

> Say hi to him for me, will you?
> 

OK. 

> 
> PS:  But seriously, sounds like an amazing event.  I trust 
> you'll be there?

Not sure that I will be, unfortunately. The event is from 6.30-7.30
pm. I usually leave work at 6.15 and might not get there before it's
closed. I'll try though - there must be a Magnum book somewhere that I
don't have, and can get signed...

Bob



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Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest

[Butch Black]

Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>
>>It's as much the "business" of the birds, as
>>well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message
>>indicating how they feel about the matter.
>
>
> If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For Windows.
>
> Malcolm

Duly nominated as "PDML Pun of the Year 2006"

Befitting, as we do have a number of members who like to give Microsoft the 
bird from time to time.

Butch



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RE: Is this a cliché?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of wendy beard
> Sent: 19 June 2006 17:04
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Is this a cliché?
> 
> On 6/17/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I took this photo in Robin Hood's Bay last week:
> > http://www.web-options.com/Places/pages/P6120594.htm
> >
> > I rather like it, but at the time I took it it seemed very 
> familiar to
> > me, and I can't shake the nagging feeling that I've seen an almost
> > identical black & white photo elsewhere.
> 
> It's "The Van"
> 
> At least that's what I thought when I saw it.

What's that?

Bob



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Re: AF 1.7 converter

[Mark Roberts]

Powell Hargrave wrote:

>At 07:18 AM 18/06/2006 , you wrote:
>>I was down at Bernie's Camera (Pittsburgh's only remaining independent
>>camera shop) a week ago and noticed that they have one of these...
>>NEW! No kidding. In the box and on the shelf with the other Pentax
>>stuff. Didn't ask the price but if anyone's interested their number is
>>412-231-1717
>
>Don't know how often you get down there but I would be interested in that
>converter if the price is right - around $150 perhaps.  If they, or you,
>would ship it to me in Canada.  Only if it is not inconvenient for you.
>
>Have been watching for one on eBay and missed out on one in Canada for
>about that price.  They are not too common.

I'll be there on Wednesday to meet a prospective client. I'll find out
what they want for it. Probably too much, knowing Bernie's: They still
have a couple of new-in-the-box FA 28-70/4 lenses but I think they
want pretty much full list price for them.
 
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RE: PESO- The Pond: June

[Bob W]

That's going to be a very interesting series when it's finished. I'm
not a fan of infra-red, but I'm looking forward to the rest of them -
it's a very unusual project.

Bob

> > On Jun 11, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >
> > > I shot this in early spring with no leaves on the trees. 
> Here it is
> > > again, as of today:
> > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4551688&size=lg
> > >



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