Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 5, 2006, at 11:32 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Thirdly, i have the grip foir the 200 and it helps in balance, but the feel is just not there for me, but its close. I got to play with a D200 the other day. The anti-shake is a little disconcerting: my brain knew that the viewfinder image should be wobbling but it wasn't. I definitely want anti-shake for my macro lens as I usually can't be bothered hauling the tripod with the little cameras. The only thing I didn't like about it was the positioning of the shutter release (too high). However for the price of even the cheapest DSLR I could probably stock up with enough film for the rest of my life at the rate I'm shooting. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 6, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Bob W wrote: My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. If I actually used my cellphone a lot I'd consider one of these: http://www.firebox.com/?dir=fireboxaction=productpid=1044 - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Silver tabby is what she is alright - at the momment she only weighs 7 lbs. She is about 11 months old. Opinions vary on who much larger she will get. If she's 7# at 11 months, she probably won't get much bigger. I'd guess 10# absolute top end, and more likely around 8#. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
It happened to me with a new camera straight out of the box. It was replaced by the importers. It is/was quite a well known problem. Don David J Brooks wrote: Sounds like a problem. My D will show a depleated battery after a few pop up flash shots, even when full AA liths. My problem is the flash flashes, but out of 10 shots, i';ll get 2-3 pictures, the rest are blank screens. Dave Quoting Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My brother just got an ist-D (from Ebay) and has a flash/battery problem. When you pops out the flash it will show a low battery alarm and fire anyway but without any flash. I tried to swap everything with my own D (swap batteries, CF, lens) and nothing beter. Tried batteries were fully charged 2000Nimh, 2500Nimh and AA Lithiums. They do all fail but only in its body, mine works fine. Its serial number is: 5752412. I understood there are comon problem with the flash circuitry. Is that such a case? * Can it be repaired easily or should my brother return it immediately to the seller? * If it is a known issue, would Pentax repair it even outside warranty scope? Thanks for your much appreciated help. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: The Narrow Road to the Deep North
Ave! I'm setting off in a couple of hours to cycle Hadrian's Wall, so I will be away for a few days. See you anon. Vale! Robertus Maximus Quadriceps Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers. ... And what have they ever given us in return?! [...] Reg: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/06 Sun PM 11:39:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system Money is a small part of the consideration. The key, Ken, is that the Prius is a good car. It has a nice, quiet interior, excellent ride and handling, and good power for normal driving needs. On top of that, its highway fuel economy (as reported by several hundred owners over the past five years in the Prius chat rooms and forums) runs in the range of 38-50mpg averages, its city fuel economy runs in the 40-60 mpg averages. The extra cost of the hybrid power system is warranted on that kind of fuel mileage for me, coupled with the fact that it's a darn nice car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. Godfrey The problem with that is that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of contructing it in the first place. 8-/ On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Mark, as you're probably aware, the mileage you can expect with a hybrid is very dependent upon your driving cycle, (city/highway) among other things. If your 65 mile commute is mostly highway you will not see the kick in mileage that the hybrids are noted for. The extra cost of a hybrid would go a long way to pay for your yearly fuel bill. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: The Narrow Road to the Deep North
We heard you were coming, so I'm off to Norway for a week. Safer with Vikings than Southerners on bicycles 8-))) From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/07 Mon AM 08:10:19 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: The Narrow Road to the Deep North Ave! I'm setting off in a couple of hours to cycle Hadrian's Wall, so I will be away for a few days. See you anon. Vale! Robertus Maximus Quadriceps Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers. ... And what have they ever given us in return?! [...] Reg: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
Francis Alviar wrote: This bird showed up out of nowhere while my daughter was feeding the ducks at a local park. The ducks were avoiding it like the plague. Probably due to the huge beak and menacing eyes. Anyway just want to know what the name of this bird is. Apologies for the cropped pic on #2. Had to rush to take the photos while he still had the fish in his beak. Oh and also these are the first shots from my recently acquired DA 16-45mm lens. The photos are labeled in the gallery for anybody who cares to see. Thanks. Francis #1 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742228 #2 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742229 #3 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742232 Don't know the bird's name, but the photos are great! Exposure and focus are spot on! keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/06 Sun PM 11:39:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system The extra cost of the hybrid power system is warranted on that kind of fuel mileage for me, coupled with the fact that it's a darn nice car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. The problem with that is that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of contructing it in the first place. 8-/ Are you referring to the outlay to buy one such car? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: interior, excellent ride and handling, and good power for normal Thanks for this, maybe things have changed, as mid-range Toyotas were not famed for these aspects up until 5 yrs ago that I last bought a car. car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. Has anyone (including Toyota's marketing dept) studied the environmental effect of the construction and disposal of the batteries in these vehicles? What is their life expectancy (the batteries' not Toyota's marketing dept. :-)) and what are options for recycling or reuse? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: My Chevy
Thanks Bruce. I was able to translate your original post:-). Paul On Aug 7, 2006, at 12:30 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Not quite sure what I how I typed that - meant to say 'perhaps even cliche picture DONE excellently' -- Bruce Sunday, August 6, 2006, 8:45:30 PM, you wrote: BD A very classic - perhaps even cliche picture doesn't excellently. A BD pleasure to view. Nicely done. BD -- BD Best regards, BD Bruce BD Sunday, August 6, 2006, 7:19:59 PM, you wrote: PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4774311size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Hi Godfrey, On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:39:56 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The key, Ken, is that the Prius is a good car. It has a nice, quiet interior, excellent ride and handling, and good power for normal driving needs. On top of that, its highway fuel economy (as reported by several hundred owners over the past five years in the Prius chat rooms and forums) runs in the range of 38-50mpg averages, its city fuel economy runs in the 40-60 mpg averages. I have been doing close to 53 mpg (4.4 ltr/100km) over the last year and a half, in a mix of city and highway. FYI, I have put some images up of of the Toyota Prius mock-up they have in the Valencia Museum of Science. See my gallery: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/prius.php You can clearly see the engines, battery and control-unit ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: The Narrow Road to the Deep North
On 7/8/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm setting off in a couple of hours to cycle Hadrian's Wall, so I will be away for a few days. See you anon. Vale! Robertus Maximus Quadriceps Have fun. Off to see my parents in Wales for a week by the seaside. Cyfateb! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
It's a Black-Crowned Night Heron. I see them around here now and then. Bob On Aug 6, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Francis Alviar wrote: This bird showed up out of nowhere while my daughter was feeding the ducks at a local park. The ducks were avoiding it like the plague. Probably due to the huge beak and menacing eyes. Anyway just want to know what the name of this bird is. Apologies for the cropped pic on #2. Had to rush to take the photos while he still had the fish in his beak. Oh and also these are the first shots from my recently acquired DA 16-45mm lens. The photos are labeled in the gallery for anybody who cares to see. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Please identify this bird
At 12:41 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote: Message: 7 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Francis Alviar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Please identify this bird To: pdml@pdml.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm not much @ birds, but it looks a bit like a kingfisher. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://www.brendemuehl.net He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
I hope Pentax will still repair it... What would you do? Repair or send it back considering he bought it about 500 euros ?? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
Send it back. You can probably buy a new one for less in Spain where they still have them -- I believe. The replacement D I got came from there. Don Thibouille wrote: I hope Pentax will still repair it... What would you do? Repair or send it back considering he bought it about 500 euros ?? -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: interior, excellent ride and handling, and good power for normal Thanks for this, maybe things have changed, as mid-range Toyotas were not famed for these aspects up until 5 yrs ago that I last bought a car. car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. Has anyone (including Toyota's marketing dept) studied the environmental effect of the construction and disposal of the batteries in these vehicles? What is their life expectancy (the batteries' not Toyota's marketing dept. :-)) and what are options for recycling or reuse? Yes, people have studied this. The environmental price of making the car is greater than that of a normal car, but it doesn't take that long for the fuel efficiency and low emissions to make up for it. They don't know yet what a typical battery life is yet, as the technology has only been on the market since 1997 (in Japan - it's been in the US since 2001) but I believe the battery is warranted for 8 or 10 years and is recyclable :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Kenneth Waller wrote: We're probably going to spend about $24,000 no matter *what* kind of car we get, so there really is no extra cost for us. The extra cost I'm thinking about is the premium cost for the hybrid drivetrain over a similar sized vehicle. An interesting question, but that's really not how we, or, I suspect, most people, buy cars; we decide on out budget first and then compare vehicles that fit it. We've compared cars that cost approximately what the Pruis costs and made out choice. In the hybrid Escape, for example, the cost over a similar non hybrid Escape is in the range of several thousand $. Well worth the money if you're mostly in city traffic, more of a questionable worth for mostly highway driving. Its highway mileage is more than 50% better than my current car :) Emissions are even more of an improvement. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
Francis Alviar wrote: #1 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742228 #2 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742229 #3 http://www.pbase.com/freckles/image/64742232 Looks like one of these: http://www.robertstech.com/graphics/pages/7d400839.htm Black Crowned Night Heron. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
highway mileage with good all-round performance. The Hybrid will do better in the city though, partially due to regenerative braking. The Prius gets notably better city mileage than it does on the highway. -Adam If you drove on the highway at city speeds, you'd get even better mileage. Regen braking throws a lot of energy away at anything but low braking power levels... especially on an electric vehicle with a battery pack as minimal as the prius. The research hybrid electric car I worked on for my M.S. had a similarly sized pack (20 miles). At the 1C rate (probably about 2-3kW for the Prius), the batteries only retained about 50% of what you tried to stuff in them. On acceleration (at the 1C rate again), you throw away another 50%. Regen is not the panacea everyone thinks it is unless you can keep the rates really low... MUCH lower than people are used to hitting the brakes. The other way to make it lower is to put a bigger pack in it so the same current is less to the battery. They spell these types of hybrids E-L-E-C-T-R-I-C. Batteries suck. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
On Aug 7, 2006, at 6:51 AM, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: I'm not much @ birds, but it looks a bit like a kingfisher. Yeah, there's a striking resemblance. They both have feathers ;-) Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
The question I would have before buying such a complex car is about getting it repaired. It looks to me like a lot of things could break down, and if/when something does break, how likely is it that there will be a repairperson who knows enough to fix it. Around here the car mechanics are only marginally literate and really have problems with anything made since about 1990. I had a really bad experience with the last Toyota that I bought, with an endemic problem that could never be repaired in three years of ownership. I got tired of taking the car back over and over and being without it for days, so I just traded the damned thing in and let somebody else hassle with it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Bob Shell wrote: The question I would have before buying such a complex car is about getting it repaired. It looks to me like a lot of things could break down, and if/when something does break, how likely is it that there will be a repairperson who knows enough to fix it. Around here the car mechanics are only marginally literate and really have problems with anything made since about 1990. That was a concern for me as well. It turns out that the Prius has an outstanding reliability record. I expect that they knew this would be a concern and went an extra mile (or two) in designing for reliability on such a groundbreaking vehicle. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
Reminds me of the card-stock (paper) wallet I had as a kid. It was stamped in gold, Genuine Imitation Leather. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Ann Sanfedele wrote: Jack Davis wrote: Ann, I prefer the other shot. (what's a spayed bag?) Well I guess I have to let the cat out of the bag... ever hear of KATE SPADE? she makes handbags -- So I'm going to make a simple design, with a kitty headshot that says genuine CAT SPAYED to put on totes on my cafepress store. Like the impatient straight on look. Also, like the soft misty 'porn' look. (didn't let my cat see it) ;-)) Jack I 'm pleased with it - I took a lot of shots of her in the position more or less but she would move, or I'd shake the camera - I think, actually, I got this look by accident, either from flipping a switch that said gausian blur or my lens was smudgy. I've taken sharp pics since so I'm not sure what the story is. I have 3 votes for other so far and one for the one on photonet... :) ann --- Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4772812 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4772782 The first one I call a genuine cat spayed bag Only a few of you will get that reference on this list :) the second is soft kitty porn. I was too chicken to title it that on photo.net I've agonized over which of two cat spayed bag shots to put on photo.net so I loaded one there and the other one is here If you have any strong opinions one way or the other let me know - I've been flip flopping over which one I like better for an hour... only want to show one on photo.net. here is the other shot: http://users.rcn.com/annsan/catspayedbag2.jpg I have a feeling the 2007 cat calendar is going to be all one cat :) :) Meow ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
Had to look up that Silver Tabby stuff. Interesting. When did they start calling a tiger striped cat a mackerel tabby? So I guess there was something fishy about the gray alley cat* we had when I was a kid. Guess you have to be a cat enthusiast to know the names of all those different color combinations. *the most common breed of cat, unrecognized by the CFA. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Ann Sanfedele wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4772812 Looks a lot like one of my males, a 18 pound silver tabby. He likes that same I'm a porn star, here's my belly pose. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Silver tabby is what she is alright - at the momment she only weighs 7 lbs. She is about 11 months old. Opinions vary on who much larger she will get. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
graywolf wrote: Reminds me of the card-stock (paper) wallet I had as a kid. It was stamped in gold, Genuine Imitation Leather. -- Somewhere I have a photo of a sign (whattashock) from the southwest at a display of silver and turquoise jewelry that said 'Imitation Indian ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Of course, you guys know SR at the sensor will not stabilize the viewfinder image like the in the lens type does? -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- David Mann wrote: On Aug 5, 2006, at 11:32 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Thirdly, i have the grip foir the 200 and it helps in balance, but the feel is just not there for me, but its close. I got to play with a D200 the other day. The anti-shake is a little disconcerting: my brain knew that the viewfinder image should be wobbling but it wasn't. I definitely want anti-shake for my macro lens as I usually can't be bothered hauling the tripod with the little cameras. The only thing I didn't like about it was the positioning of the shutter release (too high). However for the price of even the cheapest DSLR I could probably stock up with enough film for the rest of my life at the rate I'm shooting. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CD File Size
I do not know exactly how PS uses the term, but -in general- metadata is information about the data, usually saved in the file. That is all the stuff in the file besides the actual photo -in this case- is metadata. It seems to have started as a HTML keyword and spread into other areas. Actual definition of meta- is beside, or after. Note, that the term comments also fits into that definition, but you know how folks like to change the perfectly good names we already have... -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: BTW, I don't have a clue what metadata is, or how to use it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Aug 7, 2006, at 5:45 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The question I would have before buying such a complex car is about getting it repaired. It looks to me like a lot of things could break down, and if/when something does break, how likely is it that there will be a repairperson who knows enough to fix it. Around here the car mechanics are only marginally literate and really have problems with anything made since about 1990. That was a concern for me as well. It turns out that the Prius has an outstanding reliability record. I expect that they knew this would be a concern and went an extra mile (or two) in designing for reliability on such a groundbreaking vehicle. I've heard nothing but excellent reports about Prius reliability too. The drive system is complex software-wise but is mechanically fairly simple. My previous two Toyotas were excellent on maintenance ... I had the MR2 for 17-18 years and it rarely needed anything other than standard maintenance: one of the least expensive, lowest maintenance cars to run of any that I've owned since 1970. There are always exceptions to these sorts of things and some dealers are better than others, of course. I hope for more of the same quality that I've enjoyed with Toyota in the past. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
Doug Franklin wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: Silver tabby is what she is alright - at the momment she only weighs 7 lbs. She is about 11 months old. Opinions vary on who much larger she will get. If she's 7# at 11 months, she probably won't get much bigger. I'd guess 10# absolute top end, and more likely around 8#. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) Thanks for that reassurance :) that is what the adoption place told me, but another cat owner, looking at my cat's ears and long legs thought otherwise...but that was based on photos, not up close and personal real life look :) I wanted a cat I could still lift in my dotage. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
You don't still have it set for wireles mode do you Dave? Dave Nope.:-) Its done this from day one, just never got around to sending it in. I try not to use the pop up anyway. Better results from the Sigma The Nikon D1 had a black screen even whan an older battery showed full or 2/3 etc. Turns out its a voltage thing. Just enough drop in an older battery tohinder the shot. Solution is to get a new battery and all is well again. Could be the same thing on my istD, not quite as full battery as shown and its hindering the production of the shot. However my daughters istD seems ok. Dave On 8/7/06, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a problem. My D will show a depleated battery after a few pop up flash shots, even when full AA liths. My problem is the flash flashes, but out of 10 shots, i';ll get 2-3 pictures, the rest are blank screens. Dave Quoting Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My brother just got an ist-D (from Ebay) and has a flash/battery problem. When you pops out the flash it will show a low battery alarm and fire anyway but without any flash. I tried to swap everything with my own D (swap batteries, CF, lens) and nothing beter. Tried batteries were fully charged 2000Nimh, 2500Nimh and AA Lithiums. They do all fail but only in its body, mine works fine. Its serial number is: 5752412. I understood there are comon problem with the flash circuitry. Is that such a case? * Can it be repaired easily or should my brother return it immediately to the seller? * If it is a known issue, would Pentax repair it even outside warranty scope? Thanks for your much appreciated help. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
At what a wimpy idea. My friend has one of those wall phones with the separate ear piece and ringer crank on the side. I have been thinking of adapting it to plug into my cel-phone. The only problem is that he has already refused a $1500 offer for that old phone. Hu...? On a more serious vein, if one could adapt a cel-phone to it and mount it inside the case he could actually make calls with the thing. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- David Mann wrote: On Aug 6, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Bob W wrote: My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. If I actually used my cellphone a lot I'd consider one of these: http://www.firebox.com/?dir=fireboxaction=productpid=1044 - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PDML Mini-FAQ Link
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Re: [Off Topic] HEAT [WAS:Re: Some images...]
keith_w wrote: Ann! How are you faring in the oppressive heat in NYC? I'll bet you turn on the A/C *this* time ~ if there's power, that is... Be well! keith whaley Keith, I have turn the AC on when it is 75 out, forget about 100! I just saw this post this morning - not sure when you actually sent it. I can't take the heat _at all_ -- I went out in the morning each day it was over 95 to Whole Foods to eat grits and read the paper - went' to the movies 4 times in mid afternoon (and I never go to the movies in theaters anymore) if our power had gone out I would have headed to a friends house where the AC worked. Con Edison clearly cut back the power in our neighborhood -- because I had to crank up the fridge to the highest setting to get it as low as 50. Fortunately, I don't eat a lot of meat. I filled the freezer with bottles of water to make it work like an old fashioned ice box should the power fail totally. One day the movie I saw was the Gore film - showing at a theatre only 7 blocks from me called the Sunshine. I'm feeling very perky today - the AC is only a few feet from my computer and the temp outside is supposed to stay under 90. Thanks for thinking of me :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
-- Keith Whaley wrote: Don't know the bird's name, but the photos are great! Exposure and focus are spot on! keith whaley -- Thanks Keith! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Ah-ha, someone who looks beyond the obvious. That is the problem all electric vehicles have. I was looking into electric bicycles a bit back, and even they have that problem, although a couple of hundred bucks for the bicycle battery is better than the few thousand which I will bet the replacements for those crossbred cars cost. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: interior, excellent ride and handling, and good power for normal Thanks for this, maybe things have changed, as mid-range Toyotas were not famed for these aspects up until 5 yrs ago that I last bought a car. car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. Has anyone (including Toyota's marketing dept) studied the environmental effect of the construction and disposal of the batteries in these vehicles? What is their life expectancy (the batteries' not Toyota's marketing dept. :-)) and what are options for recycling or reuse? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Please identify this bird
Thanks Skye, Anne, and Mark. Francis __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise inperspective adjustment)
IMO perspective correction can be overdone. A tall buildning for instance, photographed from below, should show - to some extend - converging linies - as a it is a fact of life, that objects appear smaller when they are further away. As kind of an answer to you question, Photoshop also offers a distortion tool. With this it's possible to change the shape of a photograph more. With this tool you'll need to use the mask tool first, not the crop tool: Rectangular mask - edit - transform - distort (or something like that - it's translated from the Danish version of Photoshop CS). Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jaume Lahuerta Sendt: 20. juli 2006 09:52 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Perspective correction side effects (WAS: PESO: An exercise inperspective adjustment) But...is it possible to correct perspecive without distorting other parts of the picture? I always get the same effect as Brian, I correct the perspective (with the Photoshop feature) but the building doors are squashed vertically. Is there another way to do it? Thanks, Jaume --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: It looks as though you've squashed it a little vertically in the process of correcting the perspective. On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 12:38:11AM -0500, Brian Walters wrote: Hi all I quite liked this photo of afternoon light on the sandstone walls of an old church in western Sydney. Unfortunately it suffered from converging verticals so I had a go at correcting the perspective. It looks OK but perhaps it could have been done better. The adjusted image is at the top of the following link page and the original image is at the bottom: http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/PAW/thomas-paw.html Comments and suggestions welcome. Technical details available by clicking the i icon. Cheers Brian Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia -- Get a spam free email account - Visit http://www.bluebottle.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 07/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 08/05/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Electric motors and generators are about 30% effective. 30% of 30% is about 10%, so regenerative breaking gets back is about 10% max! That is better than a kick in the pants*, but not much. RB is mostly a feature that cost little to implement and sounds good in the advertising. *RB seems to be mostly useful for controlling speed on long downhills. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Cory Papenfuss wrote: highway mileage with good all-round performance. The Hybrid will do better in the city though, partially due to regenerative braking. The Prius gets notably better city mileage than it does on the highway. -Adam If you drove on the highway at city speeds, you'd get even better mileage. Regen braking throws a lot of energy away at anything but low braking power levels... especially on an electric vehicle with a battery pack as minimal as the prius. The research hybrid electric car I worked on for my M.S. had a similarly sized pack (20 miles). At the 1C rate (probably about 2-3kW for the Prius), the batteries only retained about 50% of what you tried to stuff in them. On acceleration (at the 1C rate again), you throw away another 50%. Regen is not the panacea everyone thinks it is unless you can keep the rates really low... MUCH lower than people are used to hitting the brakes. The other way to make it lower is to put a bigger pack in it so the same current is less to the battery. They spell these types of hybrids E-L-E-C-T-R-I-C. Batteries suck. -Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO: McKenzie Country
Dave -- comes up fine in my Netscape with Java turned off - phew The wall of photos is nicely presented - yeah some of those pix looked familiar :) ann David Mann wrote: Hi all, I've recently finished a long-overdue update to my gallery viewer. On the surface not a lot has changed except a little prettifying, but I've made some significant changes under-the-hood. With all the work I've put into it I really should show a gallery every now and then, so I've put together some pics of one of my favourite areas of my country. They are presented in approximate order of time-of-day, so the sequence progresses from dawn to night. I think that quite a few of the photos have been shown here before. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/galleries/view.php?g=32 If anything doesn't work let me know... I've tested with most browsers, so it should work OK even if you have Javascript turned off. Cheers, - Dave (editing is hard) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system Ah-ha, someone who looks beyond the obvious. That is the problem all electric vehicles have. I was looking into electric bicycles a bit back, and even they have that problem, although a couple of hundred bucks for the bicycle battery is better than the few thousand which I will bet the replacements for those crossbred cars cost. One also needs to look at the environmental costs of charging the batteries in electric vehicles. If the charging is a byprduct of using the brakes, that's all fine, but in my neck of the woods, electricity is made by burning fossil fuel, so while an electric vehicle may seem to be zero emissions, all that is happening is that the emmissions are being moved offsite. I was looking at purchasing a small car to drive when I didn't need to be hauling construction materials and the like, and came to the conclusion that it would be a bad business decision. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
You forgot to add that they also know nothing about cars that were made before they went to school 5-10 years ago. The way it works now is they plug the car into the computer. If the computer does not recognize the problem, they say the car is unrepairable. Repair is a misnomer anyway; remove and replace parts is all most shops can do. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Shell wrote: The question I would have before buying such a complex car is about getting it repaired. It looks to me like a lot of things could break down, and if/when something does break, how likely is it that there will be a repairperson who knows enough to fix it. Around here the car mechanics are only marginally literate and really have problems with anything made since about 1990. I had a really bad experience with the last Toyota that I bought, with an endemic problem that could never be repaired in three years of ownership. I got tired of taking the car back over and over and being without it for days, so I just traded the damned thing in and let somebody else hassle with it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
graywolf wrote: Electric motors and generators are about 30% effective. 30% of 30% is about 10%, so regenerative breaking gets back is about 10% max! That is better than a kick in the pants*, but not much. RB is mostly a feature that cost little to implement and sounds good in the advertising. Not true. A multi-phase AC motor can be upwards of 90% efficient (which I believe you mean to say instead of effective) . And usually at least 80% these days. 30% would be more typical for a pre-1970s DC motor. On the other hand, a gas motor loses around 60% of energy to heat (not considering braking). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - a little slice of pond
Bruce Dayton wrote: This is the last of the pond shots for awhile. This was an attempt to isolate and simplify and hopefully give a feeling of peacefulness that is present. Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/5.6 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3244.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Bruce - it's a bit too busy for me... too much happening... actually, the opposite of what I expected from your comments... and your photos in general that you show here are all so much better than this. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Primal Migration
This is another darker mood shot. Taken at an oft visited local State Wildlife Area. Sun was in and out of low clouds/high fog. I set 2 stops of plus compensation, squinted and blinked toward the sun 'til I caught a glimpse of geese. Canada Honkers or Snows.(?) A pall that may not please everyone, so Don't hesitate to offer you opinion. That's why it's up. Thanks, Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=161 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
graywolf wrote: Electric motors and generators are about 30% effective. 30% of 30% is about 10%, so regenerative breaking gets back is about 10% max! That is better than a kick in the pants*, but not much. RB is mostly a feature that cost little to implement and sounds good in the advertising. Not true. A multi-phase AC motor can be upwards of 90% efficient (which I believe you mean to say instead of effective) . And usually at least 80% these days. 30% would be more typical for a pre-1970s DC motor. For a high-performance electrical machine as is used in a hybrid like that, 90-95% efficiency (peak at least) is certainly typical. It's the *batteries* being abused at the high charge/discharge rates that waste most of the energy. Batteries are quite efficient at low rates (5-20 hour discharge rate)... at the 0.1-1 rate (i.e. 1C-10C) they're very bad. On the other hand, a gas motor loses around 60% of energy to heat (not considering braking). Probably more like 65-70% for gasoline. Typical efficiencies for gasoline engines are 25-30%, so a *really* good one would be 35%. Oh, and that's peak (RPM of max torque, WOT). High-quality modern diesels are 5-10% better thermodynamically (35-40%). -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: My Chevy
maybe this is a very basic question... how did you avoid your reflection?! :-) regards Sridhar - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: PESO: My Chevy http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4774311size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - a little slice of pond
Thanks for the suggestions. Perhaps my next walk I'll see how low I can get and see what that does to the results. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, August 7, 2006, 8:44:22 AM, you wrote: g being closer to the water level might also help... g the crop suggested by WR defiitely makes it less busy... and thus more g peaceful (?) g about the other pond pics in your site (3279, 3263) - I would wish to g attempt these also at a lower level, and in landscape. g regards g Sridhar g - Original Message - g From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] g To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net g Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:04 AM g Subject: PESO - a little slice of pond This is the last of the pond shots for awhile. This was an attempt to isolate and simplify and hopefully give a feeling of peacefulness that is present. Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/5.6 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3244.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - a little slice of pond
being closer to the water level might also help... the crop suggested by WR defiitely makes it less busy... and thus more peaceful (?) about the other pond pics in your site (3279, 3263) - I would wish to attempt these also at a lower level, and in landscape. regards Sridhar - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:04 AM Subject: PESO - a little slice of pond This is the last of the pond shots for awhile. This was an attempt to isolate and simplify and hopefully give a feeling of peacefulness that is present. Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/5.6 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3244.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:49 AM, graywolf wrote: Of course, you guys know SR at the sensor will not stabilize the viewfinder image like the in the lens type does? That was the hardest part of shooting with the Minolta 7D for me. I've been using Canon with its image-stabilized lenses for years and was used to seeing it work in the viewfinder. With the Minolta system, and presumably the Pentax system, you just have to trust that it is working. On the Minolta is works very well, BTW. I was getting sharp images with a slow 300mm lens at 1/15 second with no monopod. Pretty remarkable. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Primal Migration
nice. makes one a bit pensive I think ;) Sridhar - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: PESO: Primal Migration This is another darker mood shot. Taken at an oft visited local State Wildlife Area. Sun was in and out of low clouds/high fog. I set 2 stops of plus compensation, squinted and blinked toward the sun 'til I caught a glimpse of geese. Canada Honkers or Snows.(?) A pall that may not please everyone, so Don't hesitate to offer you opinion. That's why it's up. Thanks, Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=161 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, mike wilson wrote: From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/06 Sun PM 11:39:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system The extra cost of the hybrid power system is warranted on that kind of fuel mileage for me, coupled with the fact that it's a darn nice car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. The problem with that is that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of contructing it in the first place. 8-/ Are you referring to the outlay to buy one such car? Kostas Indeed. When you think of all the energy that has gone into mining, refining, moving, machining, casting, painting, etc. (I know there are economies of scale) the materials in that vehicle (not to mention the factory that built it) and then compare that carbon footprint to the actual savings it makes over its life, I would be interested to know what fuel saving it makes. I'm not sure it can even be evaluated. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
graywolf wrote: Of course, you guys know SR at the sensor will not stabilize the viewfinder image like the in the lens type does? Yes, but the D200 doesn't have built-in antishake, however one of the kit options for the D200 is the 18-200 VR, which is optically stabilized and will stabilize the viewfinder image when in Mode 1. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My previous two Toyotas were excellent on maintenance ... I had the MR2 for 17-18 years and it rarely needed anything other than standard maintenance: one of the least expensive, lowest maintenance cars to run of any that I've owned since 1970. There are always exceptions to these sorts of things and some dealers are better than others, of course. I hope for more of the same quality that I've enjoyed with Toyota in the past. I had owned Toyotas since the 60s, Land Cruisers and Celicas. Then in the 80s I bought a Tercel as a commuter car for my wife. It wore out the factory front tires in under 3,000 miles, uneven wear on the inner sides. I had taken it back several times during that period, and told each time nothing was wrong with the car. The dealer replaced the tires for free, bitching the whole time that they were not a tire dealer and the warranty really didn't apply to tires. The second set of front tires wore out as fast as the first, but the dealer still kept maintaining there was nothing wrong with the car. I knew otherwise, and began writing directly to Toyota USA. Basically they stonewalled, just like the dealer, and nobody was ever willing to admit there was anything wrong with the car. After replacing the first set of tires the dealer said I was on my own with regard to tires. I bought a good set of Michelins and had the Michelin dealer check out the car's front end. It was way out of alignment. They aligned it and installed the tires. That helped, but still we only got 10,000 miles on those tires. The tire dealer said they could align it, but it apparently simply would not hold alignment more than a few thousand miles. That's when I traded it in on a Ford Escort, which held up remarkably well and didn't eat tires. What turned me off to Toyota was their basic shrug of the shoulders attitude and their unwillingness to admit something was wrong. The dealer kept accusing me of running with the tires under- inflated, but that was not the case. I went from being a loyal Toyota owner and booster to someone who wouldn't touch anything with their name on it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Primal Migration
Nice composition. Jack Davis wrote: This is another darker mood shot. Taken at an oft visited local State Wildlife Area. Sun was in and out of low clouds/high fog. I set 2 stops of plus compensation, squinted and blinked toward the sun 'til I caught a glimpse of geese. Canada Honkers or Snows.(?) A pall that may not please everyone, so Don't hesitate to offer you opinion. That's why it's up. Thanks, Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=161 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Primal Migration
Thanks! Strikes the same chord with me. Jack --- gibikote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nice. makes one a bit pensive I think ;) Sridhar - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: PESO: Primal Migration This is another darker mood shot. Taken at an oft visited local State Wildlife Area. Sun was in and out of low clouds/high fog. I set 2 stops of plus compensation, squinted and blinked toward the sun 'til I caught a glimpse of geese. Canada Honkers or Snows.(?) A pall that may not please everyone, so Don't hesitate to offer you opinion. That's why it's up. Thanks, Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=161 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Aug 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: The extra cost of the hybrid power system is warranted on that kind of fuel mileage for me, coupled with the fact that it's a darn nice car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. The problem with that is that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place. 8-/ Are you referring to the outlay to buy one such car? Indeed. When you think of all the energy that has gone into mining, refining, moving, machining, casting, painting, etc. (I know there are economies of scale) the materials in that vehicle (not to mention the factory that built it) and then compare that carbon footprint to the actual savings it makes over its life, I would be interested to know what fuel saving it makes. I'm not sure it can even be evaluated. I don't understand how the hybrid-electric Prius is substantially different in terms of environmental cost of manufacture compared to a petrol or diesel powered automobile. The fact that it will generally return 50-80% better fuel economy can only be a plus. In terms of its mechanical components it's the same or simpler than most of the petrol-diesel machines, the parts that are more complicated are the computers and the NiMH batteries, and I've not seen much that substantiates saying that manufacturing the Prius' computers is any more or less of an environmental impact than making the computers already included in other cars. Or the one on your desk, for that matter. The NiMH battery I don't know, but we seem to be manufacturing them by the bazillion anyway, the volumes required for the automobile industry are trivial compared to the total at present. With fuel consumption gains due to efficient operation of the combustion engine, the hybrid-electric is putting less pollutants into the atmosphere in operation, which is a plus. The NiMH traction batteries are designed to run at least 100,000 miles (some reports of people with 200,000+ miles still on the original batteries, still going strong, are available on the web if you look) and are also designed to be recyclable, so that counts as another plus. Nothing involving power is without some environmental impact, of course. But it can hardly be said that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place is a valid statement if you're trying to contrast it to petrol and diesel powered automobiles. They are probably pretty much the same overall impact, and whatever fuel you do save, even if the percentage were small, improves the net benefits of the hybrid-electric power train. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Primal Migration
One of my favorite compliments. Thanks! Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice composition. Jack Davis wrote: This is another darker mood shot. Taken at an oft visited local State Wildlife Area. Sun was in and out of low clouds/high fog. I set 2 stops of plus compensation, squinted and blinked toward the sun 'til I caught a glimpse of geese. Canada Honkers or Snows.(?) A pall that may not please everyone, so Don't hesitate to offer you opinion. That's why it's up. Thanks, Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=161 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Bob Shell wrote: ... I went from being a loyal Toyota owner and booster to someone who wouldn't touch anything with their name on it. Sad story, Bob. You had an dealer who didn't support you, and you didn't get anyone to take up your cause at the corporate level. I wonder how different it is from those who've been 'shafted' by Pentax, or Nikon, or Canon, or Sony in similar fashion, though. I know several people who will not consider a Sony camera because they've been treated poorly by sales outlet and corporate, same for Pentax, Nikon, Canon, etc. It's certainly how I feel about Sigma lenses ... It doesn't mitigate the fact that you were treated poorly, and you're justified in your feelings. I'm happy I haven't had such difficulties with any of the brands whose products I tend to like. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: My Chevy
The hubcap is cone-shaped, so anything directly in front of it isn't reflected. Paul -- Original message -- From: gibikote [EMAIL PROTECTED] maybe this is a very basic question... how did you avoid your reflection?! :-) regards Sridhar - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: PESO: My Chevy http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4774311size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Impressionist Creek
Went down to one of the local swimming holes on Saturday to cool ourselves and the dogs off. After a couple glasses of Pinot Grigio, I started messing around with some water shots. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4776623size=lg Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: course. But it can hardly be said that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place is a valid statement if you're trying to contrast it to petrol and diesel powered automobiles. The way I conceived this initially was that these cars fetch a premium compared to petrol and even diesel cars, which you have to cough up at purchase and recoup with use. But now I am confused by Mike's answer, for the reasons you outlined, Godfrey. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek
hi. the Pinot must have been good! :-)) nice gold hues... very interesting lines and shades... creates some imaginary thingies under the water. hmmm... makes me wish for some Pinot regards Sridhar - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: PESO - Impressionist Creek Went down to one of the local swimming holes on Saturday to cool ourselves and the dogs off. After a couple glasses of Pinot Grigio, I started messing around with some water shots. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4776623size=lg Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek
Guess I'll blame the Pinot Grigio. chuckle Bright spot is very near center and foreground soft.(?) I'm no doubt stating the obvious, so take them not as criticisms, but observations. ;) I do like the scene. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went down to one of the local swimming holes on Saturday to cool ourselves and the dogs off. After a couple glasses of Pinot Grigio, I started messing around with some water shots. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4776623size=lg Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek
Yes, but I think it works. Impressionistic style rarely did present a clear image. I think the white rock is far enough away from center to not be a problem. Thanks for the comments. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Guess I'll blame the Pinot Grigio. chuckle Bright spot is very near center and foreground soft.(?) I'm no doubt stating the obvious, so take them not as criticisms, but observations. ;) I do like the scene. Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Went down to one of the local swimming holes on Saturday to cool ourselves and the dogs off. After a couple glasses of Pinot Grigio, I started messing around with some water shots. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4776623size=lg Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
D and flash circuit problem
I hope Pentax will still repair it... What would you do? Repair or send it back considering he bought it about 500 euros ?? If he bought it new, then I'd say send it back. Why pay money to send it to repair if you can try your luck by just swapping for a new one. As for the problem itself, my ist-D started having the same issue with the pop up flash about a month ago. I haven't had an opportunity to send it in yet (just got back in the country this morning), but I think I will in about a week or so. Circuitry problems with the ist-D seem to be nothing new, in general. I remember when we got to fiddle with the prototype on Grandfather mountain before it came out (was that fall 2001?). The camera wouuld show a low-battery signal, but then when you turned it on and off again it was fine. The joke was that the camera was able to self-charge the batteries... Little did we know that they'd never *quite* fix the problem. Not so funny anymore. - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek
Thanks Srihar... Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: gibikote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Impressionist Creek Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:36:10 +0530 hi. the Pinot must have been good! :-)) nice gold hues... very interesting lines and shades... creates some imaginary thingies under the water. hmmm... makes me wish for some Pinot regards Sridhar - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: PESO - Impressionist Creek Went down to one of the local swimming holes on Saturday to cool ourselves and the dogs off. After a couple glasses of Pinot Grigio, I started messing around with some water shots. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4776623size=lg Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: course. But it can hardly be said that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place is a valid statement if you're trying to contrast it to petrol and diesel powered automobiles. The way I conceived this initially was that these cars fetch a premium compared to petrol and even diesel cars, which you have to cough up at purchase and recoup with use. But now I am confused by Mike's answer, for the reasons you outlined, Godfrey. Kostas Dry-cell battery manufacturing is quite nasty from an environmental perspective. But I can't see it being worse than the reduction in emissions from a hybrid. Now an electric which charges off the grid could possibly be worse if located in a place that uses a lot of coal-fired generators (which are utterly nasty from an environmental perspective and should have been banned years ago). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On 07.08.06, at 17:58 , Bob Shell wrote: That was the hardest part of shooting with the Minolta 7D for me. I've been using Canon with its image-stabilized lenses for years and was used to seeing it work in the viewfinder. With the Minolta system, and presumably the Pentax system, you just have to trust that it is working. On the other side I know quite a lot of people who got bad nasuea looking through stabilised lenses :-) Of course they preferred to have option of visual stabilising confirmation turned off. -- Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
I hope Pentax will still repair it... What would you do? Repair or send it back considering he bought it about 500 euros ?? If he bought it new, then I'd say send it back. Why pay money to send it to repair if you can try your luck by just swapping for a new one. As for the problem itself, my ist-D started having the same issue with the pop up flash about a month ago. I haven't had an opportunity to send it in yet (just got back in the country this morning), but I think I will in about a week or so. Circuitry problems with the ist-D seem to be nothing new, in general. I remember when we got to fiddle with the prototype on Grandfather mountain before it came out (was that fall 2001?). The camera wouuld show a low-battery signal, but then when you turned it on and off again it was fine. The joke was that the camera was able to self-charge the batteries... Little did we know that they'd never *quite* fix the problem. Not so funny anymore. Yes, it's a bit embarrasing when shooting for money. I never use the pop up on the istd if a paying client is inc=vovled now. Sigma on the istD or use the D200. Yes i know,you dopn't have to say it, why would i use a pop up for a paying client.:-) Dave - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 7, 2006, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: The extra cost of the hybrid power system is warranted on that kind of fuel mileage for me, coupled with the fact that it's a darn nice car which otherwise satisfies my needs well. The fact that it uses less fuel than most others with its performance/quality makes me feel good about being environmentally friendly as well. The problem with that is that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place. 8-/ Are you referring to the outlay to buy one such car? Indeed. When you think of all the energy that has gone into mining, refining, moving, machining, casting, painting, etc. (I know there are economies of scale) the materials in that vehicle (not to mention the factory that built it) and then compare that carbon footprint to the actual savings it makes over its life, I would be interested to know what fuel saving it makes. I'm not sure it can even be evaluated. I don't understand how the hybrid-electric Prius is substantially different in terms of environmental cost of manufacture compared to a petrol or diesel powered automobile. The fact that it will generally return 50-80% better fuel economy can only be a plus. In terms of its mechanical components it's the same or simpler than most of the petrol-diesel machines, the parts that are more complicated are the computers and the NiMH batteries, and I've not seen much that substantiates saying that manufacturing the Prius' computers is any more or less of an environmental impact than making the computers already included in other cars. Or the one on your desk, for that matter. The NiMH battery I don't know, but we seem to be manufacturing them by the bazillion anyway, the volumes required for the automobile industry are trivial compared to the total at present. With fuel consumption gains due to efficient operation of the combustion engine, the hybrid-electric is putting less pollutants into the atmosphere in operation, which is a plus. The NiMH traction batteries are designed to run at least 100,000 miles (some reports of people with 200,000+ miles still on the original batteries, still going strong, are available on the web if you look) and are also designed to be recyclable, so that counts as another plus. Nothing involving power is without some environmental impact, of course. But it can hardly be said that you have to save a huge amount of fuel before you recoup the environmental cost of constructing it in the first place is a valid statement if you're trying to contrast it to petrol and diesel powered automobiles. They are probably pretty much the same overall impact, and whatever fuel you do save, even if the percentage were small, improves the net benefits of the hybrid-electric power train. I didn't mean my origianl staement as a direct criticism of your choice of vehicle but as a general one about the motor industry. I have a sneaking and unevaluated feeling that the environmental cost of producing new cars is higher than the cost of keeping old ones running. Not that anyone (especially the motor industry) is going to be bothered about that. m -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On Aug 7, 2006, at 12:08 PM, mike wilson wrote: I didn't mean my origianl staement as a direct criticism of your choice of vehicle but as a general one about the motor industry. I have a sneaking and unevaluated feeling that the environmental cost of producing new cars is higher than the cost of keeping old ones running. Not that anyone (especially the motor industry) is going to be bothered about that. That didn't come across clearly in the original statement. Certainly there is environmental cost to producing new cars. Overall, it's necessary even if existing ones can be maintained to as-new standards (difficult at best) due to the fact that parts wear out, cars get destroyed through accidents, etc. Modern cars are much more efficient in operation and do a better job, and are more easily recycled, but there is a huge environmental cost to any large-scale manufacturing operation. That is the modern world, however. To change from that basis into a low-tech, non-manufacturing culture is likely something that will not happen anytime soon unless there was catastrophic pressure to deal with. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - a little slice of pond
On 8/6/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the last of the pond shots for awhile. This was an attempt to isolate and simplify and hopefully give a feeling of peacefulness that is present. I like your idea, and for me, it is successful. It reminds me of a camp I used to go to in upstate New York. After reading some of the other comments. I agree that the darkness on the left is a bit distracting I do not agree that there should be more DOF I do not necessarily think it should be lower to the water russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Primal Migration
Primal Migration I like the compostion, and I think that 'primal' is a good adjective for the mood of the shot. Good job. Maybe next time you could show us something not-so-good. :) russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
On 8/7/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand how the hybrid-electric Prius is substantially different in terms of environmental cost of manufacture compared to a petrol or diesel powered automobile. I'm not sure if I believe it, but this is an interesting argument: http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060719.shtml It's certainly not the typical hybrid car point of view. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the modern world, however. To change from that basis into a low-tech, non-manufacturing culture is likely something that will not happen anytime soon unless there was catastrophic pressure to deal with. No need for low-tech to get anywhere. Leaving deliberately built-in wear and obsolescence out of modern car designs would be a great step in the right direction. My Volvo 480 wasn't scrapped because of corrosion or mechanical wear but because the electronics went bananas. Stood right in front of the house like an orchestrion with everything electric (wipers, lights, horn, washers, you name it) going on and off at 1 second intervals. The broken ECU turned out to be so ridiculously expensive that I scrapped a car which would mechanically have been good for many more miles. My life-long car electrician, the guy who'd actually *repair* components like alternators or replace broken relays, has closed his shop. Nowadays, if something like a wiper interval control fails you don't simply replace a relay but the complete ECU for hundreds of bucks. This is where modern car design stinks. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
Hello all, a friend came along today to show me his new K100D and a few shots he'd taken with it. Turned out that neither CS2 nor Lightroom read the PEFs from a K100D. Given that they're the same resolution and pixel count, I don't quite see why that should be. Otherwise a nice camera but compared to my DS I wouldn't want to be buried with the K100's viewfinder. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Primal Migration
Depend on it. Kind words, Thanks! Jack --- Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Primal Migration I like the compostion, and I think that 'primal' is a good adjective for the mood of the shot. Good job. Maybe next time you could show us something not-so-good. :) russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CD File Size
graywolf wrote: I do not know exactly how PS uses the term, but -in general- metadata is information about the data, usually saved in the file. That is all the stuff in the file besides the actual photo -in this case- is metadata. It seems to have started as a HTML keyword and spread into other areas. Actual definition of meta- is beside, or after. You probably realize this, graywolf, but for the sake of the people that aren't computer professionals ... within the computer profession, especially software, the term meta has relatively specific meaning that's a little hard to put into comprehensible words. Basically, Meta X is X about (the) X, so, for example, ... ... a meta language is a language that describes other languages, or, alternatively, and maybe more properly, a language that describes the properties of languages. ... meta data is data about (the) data. So in the case of photo files, that would include comments, EXIF data, IPTC data, and technically it could be considered also to include such intrinsic information as the length, width, and pixel data size/format. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
There's a tag in the meta-data in the PEF file that the raw converter references. If it's unknown, rather than make a mistake in rendering a file it refuses to even try. You'll have to wait for an update to the converter. In this case simply the inclusion of a new key, most probably. Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Hello all, a friend came along today to show me his new K100D and a few shots he'd taken with it. Turned out that neither CS2 nor Lightroom read the PEFs from a K100D. Given that they're the same resolution and pixel count, I don't quite see why that should be. Otherwise a nice camera but compared to my DS I wouldn't want to be buried with the K100's viewfinder. Ralf -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
graywolf wrote: Had to look up that Silver Tabby stuff. Interesting. When did they start calling a tiger striped cat a mackerel tabby? Hmmm. I'm certainly no expert, but I always thought that the Tabby part described the tiger strip-ed-ness and the word before Tabby described the coloration. So, the cat Ann posted, and one of my tabbies, are both silver: light and dark gray stripes, sometimes with a hint of green hiding in there. My other male, however, is a Red Tabby or Orange Tabby. His fur is striped in dark orange-brown and a light orange that's almost ginger. I'm not sure exactly what coloration would be mackerel. My other two are females, and they're Tortoiseshell Calicos. The Calico refers to the monotone patches of distinct colors (as opposed to stripes, etc.). A Tortoiseshell calico has a lot of small patches and sprinkles all run together, usually with a dark base. A regular calico (may have a more correct name), has larger, obvious and distinct patches. And that's about the extent of my knowledge of cat coloration, excepting the points that Siamese and related breeds sometimes develop. In general, it seems like cats have undergone less common directed breeding than dogs, at least among the general population. There is the CFA (AKA for cats, pretty much) and shows and stuff, but that seems to be the minority of the cat population in my experience. For example, except for a few breeds, most cats you run into on a daily basis just seem to be alley cats or moggies or Heinz 57 or whatever (the result of cat-directed breeding rather than human-directed breeding). And there don't seem to be as many people looking for specific breeds ... most seem to just want a kitty. So I guess there was something fishy about the gray alley cat* we had when I was a kid. Guess you have to be a cat enthusiast to know the names of all those different color combinations. Well, up above I pretty much exhausted my knowledge of cat coloration. :-) What was fishy about your alley cat? What sort of coloration? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: CD File Size
In some cases meta-data will be instructions on how to interpret the data. Doug Franklin wrote: graywolf wrote: I do not know exactly how PS uses the term, but -in general- metadata is information about the data, usually saved in the file. That is all the stuff in the file besides the actual photo -in this case- is metadata. It seems to have started as a HTML keyword and spread into other areas. Actual definition of meta- is beside, or after. You probably realize this, graywolf, but for the sake of the people that aren't computer professionals ... within the computer profession, especially software, the term meta has relatively specific meaning that's a little hard to put into comprehensible words. Basically, Meta X is X about (the) X, so, for example, ... ... a meta language is a language that describes other languages, or, alternatively, and maybe more properly, a language that describes the properties of languages. ... meta data is data about (the) data. So in the case of photo files, that would include comments, EXIF data, IPTC data, and technically it could be considered also to include such intrinsic information as the length, width, and pixel data size/format. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: a friend came along today to show me his new K100D and a few shots he'd taken with it. Turned out that neither CS2 nor Lightroom read the PEFs from a K100D. Given that they're the same resolution and pixel count, I don't quite see why that should be. There are tags in the file that are not specified in the TIFF standard except to say that Pentax (in this case) can put whatever they want in there. The TIFF MakerNote tag is one of them. With raw data, I'm guessing there's something in the MakerNote that has moved, and that the raw converter needs to do its work. Or, the data didn't change position, but the version number changed, so it refuses to even try. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - a little slice of pond
Good to hear varying opinions - I may go back and work at it a little more to see if it can be improved. Thanks for the comments. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, August 7, 2006, 1:17:01 PM, you wrote: RK On 8/6/06, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the last of the pond shots for awhile. This was an attempt to isolate and simplify and hopefully give a feeling of peacefulness that is present. RK I like your idea, and for me, it is successful. It reminds me of a RK camp I used to go to in upstate New York. After reading some of the RK other comments. RK I agree that the darkness on the left is a bit distracting RK I do not agree that there should be more DOF RK I do not necessarily think it should be lower to the water RK russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 2 PESOS: yeah yeah my kitty cat
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Thanks for that reassurance :) that is what the adoption place told me, but another cat owner, looking at my cat's ears and long legs thought otherwise...but that was based on photos, not up close and personal real life look :) Well, anything's possible. :-) But for further reassurance, one of mine often gets called Yoda by lots of people because she's got big eyes, big ears, and a long tail (and an Ace Freehley tongue). But she's also the smallest of mine at, uh, I'd guess _maybe_ 5#, soaking wet. As compared to the big silver tabby that's probably north of 15# and is the same age within a month. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! I just can't see it. They've never screwed with the customer like that before. Plus, their pro commitment is still to medium format. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
On Aug 7, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: a friend came along today to show me his new K100D and a few shots he'd taken with it. Turned out that neither CS2 nor Lightroom read the PEFs from a K100D. Given that they're the same resolution and pixel count, I don't quite see why that should be. Most like the camera identifier tag is what's different, but there could be other differences. A test would be to edit the camera identifier tag with a file editor and then see if ACR or Lightroom can read it and process it correctly. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
Ralf. Could be a subtle change in the software/hardware that is a pef. I know thet each new Nikon Dslr has subtle changes and you have to buy the new version of Nikon Capture and View to see these items. However, Adobe probly have the K100D pef info and should release an updated ACR soon. If not, download DNG, convert and enjoy. Thats what i need to to for the D200 Nefs and CS on the Mac. Dave Hello all, a friend came along today to show me his new K100D and a few shots he'd taken with it. Turned out that neither CS2 nor Lightroom read the PEFs from a K100D. Given that they're the same resolution and pixel count, I don't quite see why that should be. Otherwise a nice camera but compared to my DS I wouldn't want to be buried with the K100's viewfinder. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
They've never screwed with their customers like that before. Well not until the introduction of the *ist Film and Digital introduction that is. Try to meter with a pre-A lens on the film *ist and let me know how that works for ya. Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! I just can't see it. They've never screwed with the customer like that before. Plus, their pro commitment is still to medium format. -Aaron -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What's so different about the PEFs from a K100D?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, Adobe probly have the K100D pef info and should release an updated ACR soon. If not, download DNG, convert and enjoy. Don't even need to download DNG converter: The new Pentax software converts to DNG format. Smart move on Pentax's part because it means you can take full advantage of existing RAW converters immediately. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Neg v Slide Scanning Results
I've never heard or read why it seems to be the case, but I, also, realize a poorer image when scanning color negatives than I do when scanning positives. Based on posts to this list, I understanding this to be the common experience. At least there appears to be a drudgery factor associated with negative scanning. I was reminded of it today when a deeply experienced lab person made an aside comment, neg scans are always grainier than slide scans. Very difficult, and probably moot at that, to compare RMS factors between the two. I wonder about the results of a grain comparison between Reala 100 and Provia or Astia 100F. I know the lab person well enough not question him about his reasons. I would predict a quick flip off remark such as I see it all the time. I predict that I'll soon not be worrying about such things to the same extent. Anyway, anyone have an opinion or, even better, a conclusive answer? Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Tom, the Nikon F70 was the death knell for simple, elegant, useable camera controls. God in heaven, that thing sucked, and sold like wildfire. -Aaron -Original Message- From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 2:33 pm Size: 7K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Me! Especially because all those features just do something I already know how to do myself. You can read a 12 page camera manual and a 200 page book on photography; or you can read a 200 page camera manual, and a 200 page book on photography, so you know when to turn on those hundreds of features. Four controls and a bit of knowledge, or 100's of controls you can not use without that knowledge anyway. Of course if you know nothing, 100 features sounds more impressive than 4 basic controls, doesn't it? I have come to the conclusion that cameras are no longer made for photographers. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. Aaron Reynolds wrote: I also will not use this feature -- but since a simple change to a preference setting will cause the switch to behave as a regular DOF preview, just like on the old bodies, I see no reason to complain about it. -Aaron -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:07 pm Size: 4K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some will disagree. Tom C wrote: I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light through the viewfinder. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many features to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the likely target audience. More like, what can we implement cheaply to set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to hurry up and get here! Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a damn good price. The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining doubters can relax now. Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 , 210,000 pixels The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new images. The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. I couldn't see much detail in the
Re: K10D - More News
John -- this does not change the fact that the store could order it and have it in a few days. Like I said, the reason you have no Pentax pro glass for sale is that you ordered no Pentax pro glass. All you have done below is to list the very sensible reasons that your store has not ordered any. -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 7:19 pm Size: 986 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. We've had high-end Pentax glass many times in the past, and all it's ever done is sit there, gathering dust. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, which is a very affluent part of the world. Through my job, I've met dozens upon dozens of pro photographers. I have yet to meet ONE who uses Pentax (it sucks to have to pretend to like Canon, by the way), even though the majority of them could afford pro-quality outfits if they wanted to. Other high-end stores I've been to in the area have had similar experiences. If I ask why they don't have higher-end Pentax lenses, they all tell me they just don't sell. No exceptions. It's unfortunate, but that's the market. You want pro equipment, you go Canon or Nikon. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
Especially because all those features just do something I already know how to do myself. You can read a 12 page camera manual and a 200 page book on photography; or you can read a 200 page camera manual, and a 200 page book on photography, so you know when to turn on those hundreds of features. Four controls and a bit of knowledge, or 100's of controls you can not use without that knowledge anyway. Of course if you know nothing, 100 features sounds more impressive than 4 basic controls, doesn't it? I have come to the conclusion that cameras are no longer made for photographers. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Not sure many cameras were made for photographers anyway. Most were/are made to take pictures, yes certainly but for photographers? Not sure really. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: returning to this group
Everyone I know with a D2H seriously hates it -- was it a notorious dog? -Aaron -Original Message- From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] I;m looking for something to replace my D2h which i hate. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
I'm sure all this true but it gets pretty circular. Aside from market momentum, one of the reasons most pros don't use Pentax may be because they'd have to order it. If my income depended on my having the right equipment at the right time, I'd go with a brand where I was pretty sure I could walk in and instantly purchase whatever lens, accessory, backup body I needed at the time. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:11:00 -0400 John -- this does not change the fact that the store could order it and have it in a few days. Like I said, the reason you have no Pentax pro glass for sale is that you ordered no Pentax pro glass. All you have done below is to list the very sensible reasons that your store has not ordered any. -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 7:19 pm Size: 986 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. We've had high-end Pentax glass many times in the past, and all it's ever done is sit there, gathering dust. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, which is a very affluent part of the world. Through my job, I've met dozens upon dozens of pro photographers. I have yet to meet ONE who uses Pentax (it sucks to have to pretend to like Canon, by the way), even though the majority of them could afford pro-quality outfits if they wanted to. Other high-end stores I've been to in the area have had similar experiences. If I ask why they don't have higher-end Pentax lenses, they all tell me they just don't sell. No exceptions. It's unfortunate, but that's the market. You want pro equipment, you go Canon or Nikon. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Lazy days
Spotted yesterday: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4778108 Warning - skin but not nude, and definitely office-friendly! Technical stuff under Details John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: D and flash circuit problem
2006/8/7, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hope Pentax will still repair it... What would you do? Repair or send it back considering he bought it about 500 euros ?? If he bought it new, then I'd say send it back. Why pay money to send it to repair if you can try your luck by just swapping for a new one. As for the problem itself, my ist-D started having the same issue with the pop up flash about a month ago. I haven't had an opportunity to send it in yet (just got back in the country this morning), but I think I will in about a week or so. Circuitry problems with the ist-D seem to be nothing new, in general. I remember when we got to fiddle with the prototype on Grandfather mountain before it came out (was that fall 2001?). The camera wouuld show a low-battery signal, but then when you turned it on and off again it was fine. The joke was that the camera was able to self-charge the batteries... Little did we know that they'd never *quite* fix the problem. Not so funny anymore. - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net He bought it second hand from a guy on Ebay Germany. BTW the guy seems OK but that doesn't solve the problem. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D - More News
The Pentax pro programs are also virtually non-existent. They're not pursuing the market. But like I said originally, I was not suggesting that John's store SHOULD carry the stuff -- just saying that availability is a bd argument from a retailer, since it's available to them. The fact that his store never orders it does not prove that the stuff doesn't exist or can't be bought. I don't have any Porchesavailable for sale -- therefore, Porche doesn't make cars any more. See what I mean? -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Mon Aug 7, 2006 7:24 pm Size: 2K To: pdml@pdml.net I'm sure all this true but it gets pretty circular. Aside from market momentum, one of the reasons most pros don't use Pentax may be because they'd have to order it. If my income depended on my having the right equipment at the right time, I'd go with a brand where I was pretty sure I could walk in and instantly purchase whatever lens, accessory, backup body I needed at the time. Tom C. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:11:00 -0400 John -- this does not change the fact that the store could order it and have it in a few days. Like I said, the reason you have no Pentax pro glass for sale is that you ordered no Pentax pro glass. All you have done below is to list the very sensible reasons that your store has not ordered any. -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 7:19 pm Size: 986 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. We've had high-end Pentax glass many times in the past, and all it's ever done is sit there, gathering dust. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, which is a very affluent part of the world. Through my job, I've met dozens upon dozens of pro photographers. I have yet to meet ONE who uses Pentax (it sucks to have to pretend to like Canon, by the way), even though the majority of them could afford pro-quality outfits if they wanted to. Other high-end stores I've been to in the area have had similar experiences. If I ask why they don't have higher-end Pentax lenses, they all tell me they just don't sell. No exceptions. It's unfortunate, but that's the market. You want pro equipment, you go Canon or Nikon. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
