Re: AF500FTZ flash
On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Patrick Genovese wrote: > Has anyone successfully used an ordinary Auto Flash with the *ist > series / k100 bodies ? The Sunpak 383 is the flash unit I use with all my cameras, *ist DS included. Cheap, reliable, powerful enough... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
The DA21/3.2 Limited isn't very "pancake". It's a nice, compact lens with excellent quality performance. The DA40/2.8 Limited is the only "true" pancake lens. It's too small to be useful for me. Godfrey On Oct 10, 2006, at 3:01 PM, gfen wrote: > The downside is I don't want "pancake" lenses, I want larger units > with > some holding space on 'em. And I want that 21mm faster than 3.2. > I'd trade > off the "pancake" ability for another 1.5 or 2 stops of speed at > the same > price point, but what do I know? I mostly make this up as I go > along... > > As for a 70/2.4? Eh, whatever. An FA50/1.4 will probably be under > cost and > 1.33 stops faster. Again, maybe the little pancake thing appeals to > someone, somewhere, but it ain't me. > > Its the right direction, but not what I'm looking for exactly (then > again, > what I'm mostly looking for is something to complain about). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Decisions decisisons
I guess I saw this coming a few years back. I sold my Leica Ms, Nikon SLRs, Hassies, Mamiyas, Zeiss Ikons, etc. No pro or system 35mm or MF cameras left. The only film cameras I have left are a few mostly valueless 35mm point and shoots, and a small selection of my favorite subminiatures (Minolta 16, Minox, Rollei 35S, Minox 35GT-E, Bell & Howell/Canon Dial 35). I haven't shot any 35mm film since 2002, any medium format since 2003. I might shoot some Minox submini this year coming. Godfrey On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:44 PM, Vic MacBournie wrote: > Okay I know this has been discussed in detail here many times over but > I am having a hard time trying to decide whether to sell some, if not > all, of my film cameras. My dillemma is that I love my film cameras > more than the digital but I use the digital almost exclusively. I will > sometimes carry my film cameras out on a shoot but not use them or at > least use them very rarely. > I have two very nice LX with winders and accessories and an MZS with > winder. > I also have the istd which certainly gets the most use. > My question is to those who have recently made this decision. It is > worth itin the end? Do you regret selling the film cameras. What are > the pros and cons. > In the end I will probably just sell the one LX but I could be > convinced to sell it all... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Flash trigger voltage
On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:14 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > P.S. - Godfrey mentioned a Promaster dedicated hot shoe to pc adapter. > Any other recommendations? I'm assuming these are fairly simple > devices, and that buying the over-priced Pentax branded adapter isn't > worth the extra cash. Not dedicated hot shoe to PC adapter, I use a Promaster Pentax- dedicated hotshoe to hotshoe cable. Cheaper and simpler than the Pentax flash system pieces. For hot shoe to PC adaptation, I recommend a Wein Safe Sync unit. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Not quite, I stated that it could be done a number of Ways today. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonz Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey heck of course. it could use the same mechanism as an optical shaft encoder. but JCO's talking about the same design as in the past, not an entirely new design. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 12/10/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable resistor with its >>own tiny linkage and the pot brush arm that depends on friction but not >>too much that it would wipe out the resistive surface. > > > Tech now would make it cheaper to implement in an opto-mechanical > non-contact sealed unit. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: what I need to do street photography
On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:26 AM, John Francis wrote: > For some uses (high-speed action sports, etc.) 60fps would be great. I think TV cameras can do that now, going by the ultra-smooth replays we get from the higher-budget sporting events. They wouldn't have anywhere near the resolution of this thing though. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: The JCO survey > Quote of the week - > >>This is disposable fluff IMHO. What it lacks as fluffery, it makes up for in sheer volume. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
It's sad, you know. When the istD came out 3 years ago, it had no aperture simulator. We wailed most piteously about it. Some of us said we would never buy a Pentax that didn't have one. Some cruelly called the camera a crippled whore that couldn't dance. Some called it a cheap plastic toy. Many took aim at Pentax and fired broadside after broadside. It's easy to hit a target that isn't moving very quickly, and at the time, Pentax was pretty much dead in the water. At the time, we were told by people who are closer to the company than most that the aperture simulator was gone, a relic of a former era. No one was really happy about it, but many of us embraced the new camera anyway, accepting it on it's own merits. Those who did this discovered that the istD was a pretty nice camera, even though not perfect. It could dance, albeit slowly, and with a bit of a limp. Three years later, and not much has changed. Pentax has stayed the course, in that the aperture simulator is still gone. People closer to Pentax than most are still saying that the aperture simulator is gone, a relic of a former era, and we are still engaged in silly surveys, and we are still whining piteously that something that we were told was gone is still gone, that something Pentax never guaranteed would last forever didn't last forever. This isn't the 1970s. I remember the 1970s. Money practically grew on trees back then. The economy was good, and we could afford expensive cameras and lenses. heck, I was working part time as a dishwasher at A&W and was able to afford a Nikon F2s with a 50/1.4. The times have changed. Now the bottom line IS the bottom line. Now we are worried about our RRSPs our GICs, our 401Ks (or whatever you guys call then in the USA). We are living with a different mentality. We shop cheap. What's the cheapest product we can buy that will do the job? Where can we buy it and save a few pennies? We don't support local businesses, choosing instead to buy from Amazon or it's ilk, because the guy behind the counter wants a paycheck, and we don't want to pay someone to put the box we just bought into a bag. We won't buy a camera when it first comes out, instead we gamble that it will go down in price if we wait long enough. We deliberately make products as unprofitable as we can for the people who make them. Then we have the gaul to chastise these companies for giving us exactly what we have asked for. When I started my carreer as a photofinisher, it was a factory job, and it paid well. Then Noritsu invented the minilab, and the consumer decided that they wanted their pictures faster, and they embraced the minilab. They didn't care about what they were doing to the custom labs or the wholesale labs. They just wanted their pictures faster. The camera shops adapted, they installed minilabs, charged a premium for the convenience of getting the pictures back in an hour, and everyone was happy. The 80s were pretty good years, probably as good as the 70s. Something happened though, the consumer changed. They were given the opportunity to get their pictures done in an hour, but they could get it done cheaper. Big department stores and grocery stores installed minilabs as loss leaders. The only problem was that the person developing your film wasn't a photofinisher, they were a store clerk who was stocking shelves last week. Quality suffered, and we bitched about it. We weren't unhappy enough to go back to the old days of waiting a week, nor were we unhappy enough to go back to he camera store lab, which for the most part emplyed people who were in their jobs because they loved photography, not because their backs couldn take humping boxes of laundry detergent around anymore. I think we just like to bitch about stuff. We, as consumers, have forced exactly what we are getting onto ourselves, and we blame the companies that listened to us for it. We've been told by people who know what is going on in the industry that Pentax removed the aperture simulator from us as a cost saving move. Whether we believe this or not, I don't know. I do know, based on what I observed working in retail camera sales and photofinishong over a 20 year time period, that it is a credible reason. As a group, we are a bunch of cheap ass dumb fucks. We don't know what we want, we tell them one thing, then we crap all over them for doing it. We switch ship from brand to brand for pennies, yet when a company tries to do the same thing, we get our shit in a knot about it. Presuming that it is correct that there is no technical reason for removing a particular and long standing feature, then really, the only reason left is cost. Saving a few dollars in the design and manufacturing process means selling the product for a few tens of dollars less to the end user. We've already proven how fickle we are when it comes to cost. We've already proven that we will refuse to buy a product until the price comes down on it. We've
Re: The JCO survey
Quote of the week - >This is disposable fluff IMHO. >jco Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: The JCO survey > But I don't care and you can still understand them. > This isnt a job resume. I don't want to spend a lot > Of time cleaning up posts when its not really necessary. > This is disposable fluff IMHO. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Christian > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:28 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> They are not spelling errors, they are uncorrected typos. >> There is a difference between the two. I know how to spell English. >> I just have a habit of typing at ballistic speeds > > I don't doubt that you can spell in English, but your habit of typing at > > ballistic speeds, making typos and NOT correcting them is sloppy, > sloppy, sloppy. > > -- > > Christian > http://photography.skofteland.net > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: was Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7...now looking for a 6x7 lens
On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but > ultimately I'll get > whatever I can afford to get me started. the cheapest lens you'll find is probably an older 105/2.4 Takumar. Probably not a bad "normal" lens. Not a wide angle, but cheap. :-) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Harvest Moon
> Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was > crap? No. No. Relax Shel. If you read the entire thread, you'll see a hypothetical was posed - >> >If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. I was simply relaying my experience in the critiquing of an image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon > Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was > crap? > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Kenneth Waller > >> I've atended a fair number of student slide >> critiques presented by outdoor professionals. >> For the most part the pros tried to point out a >> flaw in the image that could be improved >> & move that image to a higher level. >> On several occasions the working pro couldn't >> suggest anything and ghenerally acknowledged >> that by saying so. >> >> Very seldom did they say an image was crap, >> unless they knew the owner well. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon >> > >> > >> >- Original Message - >> >From: "Bob Sullivan" >> >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon >> > >> > >> >> Shel, >> >> >> >> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like. Put a picture up >> >> and we'll tell you where your are failing. Is that why we have >> >> PESO's? So we can frighten people off? What lurker is gonna put >> >> something out in this friendly forum? >> >> >> >> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with >> >> your critique. Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have >> >> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it >> >> would be immediately panned. >> >> >> >> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like. Post your picture and >> >> we will tell you why it isn't good enough. Wow, I wish we were the >> >> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and >> >> friendly advice. I don't feel that spirit in your comments. >> > >> >Respectfully, I disagree, >> >I have had my share of offlist abuse tossed at me because I practice >> >disagreement. >> > >> >For the most part, pictures posted to the list are greeted with oohs and >> >aahs. >> > >> >"Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot." >> >"Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO." >> >"Nice shot and an especially good conversion to BW..." >> > >> >With the occassional constructive critisism: >> > >> >"Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not >> >> too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF >> >> is quite difficult. >> >> Nice work" >> > >> >That stops just short of a circle jerk. >> > >> >This is just not healthy. >> >My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, then say nothing. >> >Is that what is expected? >> >How can a person learn if they don't get told what they are doing wrong >> >by their peers? >> >If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. >> >If a person's work is developing a boring sameness, they should be told >> >they are developing a genre unto themselves, to perhaps snap them out of >> >the rut they are getting into. >> >If a picture is technically perfect, but esthetically boring, should >> >that go unstated? >> > >> >If you put a picture out there, and solicit comments, then take the good >> >with the bad. >> >It's not just about pleasing oneself, and just because oneself is >> >pleased with a picture doesn't automatically make it a good picture. >> > >> >Shooting broadsides at a picture may be unkind, shooting broadsides at >> >someone who had made an honest effort to critique a photo, whether or >> >not the critique is nice, is unfair. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
- Original Message - From: "Mark Erickson" Subject: Another Aperture Simulator Survey > Simple question: > > How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you > think Pentax will lose by not including the > Aperture Simulator feature? Not as many as they will lose by not making a full frame DSLR. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
At 11:56 AM 12/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do >it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung >with this feature over a Pentax without it. > >Jim Apilado What makes you think Samsung would be interested in putting it in? Their lenses are derived from Pentax DA models. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
was Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7...now looking for a 6x7 lens
Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but ultimately I'll get whatever I can afford to get me started. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
Personally, I've bought 2 new bodies in the last year or so (*istD on Sept 16 05, K100D on Sept 16, 06), no new lenses yet, but that will change this weekend (Buying 16-45 new). Lenses have all been used so far, even the 18-55 I had for the D. I'm looking at getting new lenses over the next few months though, the 100mm D-FA Macro, 21 DA, 14 DA and 70 DA as well. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: > You've made an interesting point, perhaps without even realizing it. It's > quite possible that JCO and others have never bought any new Pentax gear. > It's also quite possible that many of the others who are protesting and > making noise many not have bought any new Pentax gear, or perhaps just a > few items. A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our > hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market. > > I've been a Pentax user since around 1967-68, and have bought only five new > cameras and maybe about the same number of new lenses. > > I know one person on the list for whom the K10D will be their first new > Pentax. But, he has also bought a couple-three new Pentax lenses, and some > accessories. > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John Celio > >> Pentax has to care about NEW customers >> and people who will buy NEW equipment >> to stay in business, not some stubborn old >> fart who can't be bothered to support his >> favorite brand. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung with this feature over a Pentax without it. Jim Apilado > I'm going to wait another day or two to finalize this survey. > I'm sorry it brought JCO back to argumentative life, but this is a > chance for the list > to show Pentax what we want. Check results below to see if I have your > response > recorded correctly; only post to PDML if I didn't get it right. And you > fence sitters > (Annasan, greywolf, Tainter, Cotty, Frank T, and many others) can still > let your > opinion be heard. Just respond to this topic with Aye Nay or Don't Care. > > Thanks.-Lon > > > K1D aperature simulator survey: results so far: > > > Original query: > > On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, > I propose the following question: > > How many people here would consider an aperature > simulator permitting (for K,M, and all other lenses with > aperature rings) CW metering, open aperature metering > in manual and Av modes a _highly_ desirable feature on > the K1D? > > Results so far, as I understand responses: > > Yea: > Lon Williamson > Dario Bonazza > Boris Liberman > Bob Sullivan > Scott Loveless > Ryan Brooks > Shel Belinkoff > William Robb > P. J. Alling > Thibouille > J. Munro > Adam Maas > Jens Bladt > Tim Osleby > J. C. O'Connell > Vince MacBournie > Kostas Kavoussanakis > Mike Wilson > Cory Papenfuss > Marnie aka Doe > Antti-Pekka Virjonen > George Sinos > Rob Studdert > > Undecided: > Perry Pellechia, maybe... depends on cost. > John Francis: No, not at $100 more > Paul Stenquist - yes, then waffled > Kostas Kavoussanakis responded, not sure of vote. > Dave Savage doesn't care > > No: > Mark Roberts probably "no": MARK! > Juan Buler - No > Bill Owens - no, buisness decision > Lawrence Kwan - No > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
And these cheapo zoom lenses they have been selling as "kit" Lenses since the "A" era are not out there too on the "A and Later" side of the ledger? In fact, the 70's was much MORE Of a prime lens era then by the time of "A" and later lenses so I would venture to say there are WAY MORE good primes (not 50mm) In existance of K/M type than the "A" later types. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:25 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > Yeah, that's right, Pentax only printed a lens catalog in the 70's. > They never really sold any lenses other than 50mm K/M during > Those years. After all, who would want to change lenses on a SLR. Practically every camera body they sold during that time would have had a 50mm lens mounted to it. They sold something like 10 million K1000 cameras. Thats pretty close to 10 million 50mm f/2 lenses right there. A lens catalogue shows what is supposed to be available, not what people actually buy. Methinks the HUGE NUMBER OF K LENSES that you are discussing is, in reality, a fairly small number of lenses that people would actually want to mount to a new camera. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
K.Takeshita wrote: > On 10/11/06 9:07 PM, "Mark Roberts", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Except for the ones who are >> switching to Pentax (and yes, there are some these days, thanks to the >> K10D and the Limited lenses). > > What? > Switching to Pentax? > What is the world becoming of!! > > Ken > > Hey, I've done it. Twice in the last year (Nikon to Pentax both times. Staying with Pentax this time). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
If he decides to sell, I'll probably buy his gear. It's not far to carry (Aaron lives around the corner from me) and I'm getting into MF. Do wonder what he's been up to though. -Adam Gonz wrote: > There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was talking > about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming K10D was soo good. ;) > > rg > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The >> auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd offered >> with "buy it >> now". I watched and waited for several days for him to get around to it. >> He finally >> did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by the time >> I got up >> and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ >> >> I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high prices >> and dodgy >> sellers, it's not looking too good. >> >> Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 gear? I >> want a >> body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will also >> want one lens >> to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is >> realisticat least to >> get a body and finder. >> >> If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my preference. >> >> Let me know. >> >> Thanks >> >> James Messervy >> >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Open letter to Marnie Eactivist
keith_w wrote: > > Hey, Marnie... > > Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages! > > I have a message for you! > > AOL keeps sending it back to me. > > keith whaley > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Okay - there msut be something I'm missing, KEith - if your letters are bouncing - arent the ones to PDML bouncing too? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
heck of course. it could use the same mechanism as an optical shaft encoder. but JCO's talking about the same design as in the past, not an entirely new design. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 12/10/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable resistor with its >>own tiny linkage and the pot brush arm that depends on friction but not >>too much that it would wipe out the resistive surface. > > > Tech now would make it cheaper to implement in an opto-mechanical > non-contact sealed unit. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ok in NY - not near the plane crash
Just for you guys who do know about where I live Nope, I don't live near that building - But I have a friend how lives in the building right next to it - she wasn't home -- she was on her way, walking up the street. Another friend lives 3 blocks away, in a low rise - he was also out, cycling in the neighborhood. Just as well the MEts game got rained out - it would have been a very said affair. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The JCO survey > Well, from my own experience -- one of the best ways to annoy someone > is > concentrate on HOW they are saying something rather than on WHAT they > are saying. > I think you meant "is to concentrate". But I digress. Unfortunately, if your written language skills fall below a certain threshold, you are no longer posting coherent messages. If you can't put your thoughts forward in a coherent manner, how can you expect someone to try do decipher what you meant? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > Yeah, that's right, Pentax only printed a lens catalog in the 70's. > They never really sold any lenses other than 50mm K/M during > Those years. After all, who would want to change lenses on a SLR. Practically every camera body they sold during that time would have had a 50mm lens mounted to it. They sold something like 10 million K1000 cameras. Thats pretty close to 10 million 50mm f/2 lenses right there. A lens catalogue shows what is supposed to be available, not what people actually buy. Methinks the HUGE NUMBER OF K LENSES that you are discussing is, in reality, a fairly small number of lenses that people would actually want to mount to a new camera. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > > >>>I've never seen a pair of pliers that was designed to modulate an >>>electrical signal, or that would fail because of a little rust. >> >>You haven't? I've got at least one pair of pliers that are >>next to useless because it's all but impossible to open them >>except by dedicating both hands (and considerable effort) to >>the task. They also tend to stick part-way closed. > > > That sounds like more than a little rust. The nice thing about pliers is > that they can be fixed with Jig-A-Loo, which cannot be said for the > variable resistor in a camera body > Is that what you call it up there? Jig-A-Loo? We have this stuff called Liquid Wrench. > William Robb > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Since I said that it would be desireable only if it didn't raise the cost, weight or displace other more useful features I'd actually have to say "no" to highly desireable. GS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
John Coyle wrote: > > I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft > offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed > when it happens! > Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue > programs can exploit any vulnerabilities in those executables anyway, > whether _you_ use them or not. Ugh - every time I get on the computer the little window pops up I just "x'ed" out of it - I dont' even know how to set it on auto update but auto anything always worries me. I guess I've seen too many people on AOL badgered by pop-ups - I used to have an AOL account as a back-up - GAWD was that awful. I'd like to be able to tell the difference between security updates and silly fancy stuff I dont want, though. ann > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions > > > In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:51:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > writes: > > I hvae no credit cards listed on the web, fortunately. I > > dont buy ANYTHING > > on line - well, I did once or twice, but I avoid it as a > > whole. > > IF someone tried to take "large amounts of money" from my > > bank account they would > > be in for a big surprise! LOL! > > > > I dont use explorer - I took it off the desktop so I couldnt > > even hit it by mistake. > > I installed Firefox right away. > > > > While much of what you say I'm sure is right, I can't even > > fathom it... > > > > When I get on line I only go to my personal homepage, my > > cafepress store, > > photo.net, ebay and craigslist. or to look at pics you guys > > put up. > > > > I never go to any sites have anything to do with > > entertainment or sports - > > I don't open attachments or forwarded mail. > > > > And I'm keeping my old dial up account for email - for a > > while at least. > > > > ann > > === > > That will cover most security holes, ann. It really well -- common sense > > is > > always the best defense. :-) > > > > I do think, however, some of the MS updates are worth it. The first ones, > > later ones often have to do with Outlook and IE. If one doesn't use them > > the risk > > is much, much less. Especially Outlook. > > > > It doesn't hurt to go to the update page occasionally and look over the > > patches. One can pick and choose which to install. Many are useless for a > > majority > > of us. > > > > I highly recommend though, that you create a system restore point before > > downloading/installing any update. Go to help on your XP menu bar, then > > Pick a > > Task, then Tools, then System Restore, then Set a Restore Point. That > > saves the > > current state of your computer so you can set it back if something goes > > wrong. > > Actually it's not a bad idea to do it before installing any new program. I > > forget and don't do it enough. > > > > I've probably accepted about 6-8 updates since I started with XP about > > four-five years ago. Many are to plug security holes in Outlook, so I > > don't bother > > with those. Some are foreign language patches, and I don't need those. And > > some > > are to plug holes in IE, which I do use occasionally, rarely, but > > occasionally, so I evaluate those on a case by case basis and see if I > > think one or > > another is important or not. And occasionally there is one that is more > > general, > > not applying to either Outlook or I.E., and helpful. > > > > Yous take yous choice. But always create a restore point first. > > > > Avast isn't bad. > > > > Marnie aka Doe > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
In a message dated 10/11/2006 7:32:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, buyers can't turn to Sigma for lenses. As long as they don't lose money on the cameras, or don't lose too much, they have a captive market for lenses. The only competition is used lenses. Joe === Exactly. Marnie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
Makes perfect sense John. Pentax is primarially in the business to sell things, i.e. turn a profit. We may personally feel slighted when a desired feature is removed. OTOH, Pentax must continue to make money (sales) to stay in business. JCO should buy a DSLR and try it, aperture simulator or not. The truth is he's not able to use ANY of his K-mount lenses with a DSLR because he doesn't have one (or at least that's what I've gathered). Tom C. Original Message Follows From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:10:55 -0700 > Why do you say this? What makes you think they > Cannot or will not ever add the feature or SOME OTHER > Camera company will that uses the K mount? > jco You're not paying attention to what others have said. It's not a matter of not supporting old lenses, it's a matter of selling new lenses so Pentax (and other camera companies) can stay in business! You see, a camera body doesn't make a company very much money. Camera stores make little to no profit on a camera (SLR or otherwise) and have to sell accessories to earn any real profit. This I know from my own experience in camera retail. It's the same with camera manufacturers. They MUST sell new lenses and other accessories in order to stay in business. This is a fact of life, and can be seen in the trend most camera companies are following these days, which is to put more emphasis on dSLR cameras. The profit margin on the smaller pocket cameras is so slim these days, a lot of camera manufacturers are actually LOSING money on them. This problem can be at least partially blamed on internet pricing wars and bargain hunter websites, which have driven down prices so low as to make selling such things almost not worth the effort. So here's the issue: a lot of us long-time Pentax users have old lenses that don't have the kind of functionality some would like with the current dSLR line. Pentax has offered a solution (green button / AE-lock button), but some people are still whining. Pentax is faced with a choice. "Do we throw in this one feature that a small but vocal minority won't shut up about, or do we continue to offer the same solution and try to encourage them to buy newer lenses? The former option will make a few people happy but might raise the price of our cameras enough that the average consumer won't buy them, compared to other brands' similar models. It will also drive down sales of new lenses, since there are so many old lenses people can get for cheap. The latter option will make that small minority upset, but will allow us to continue generating profits and therefore stay in business and continue to advance our camera line for everyone else." What do you think they would choose? Accept it, jco: sometimes sacrifices have to be made to survive. If you can't deal with the loss of the aperture simulator, then you're probably never going to be happy with a dSLR. Whining about it here or anywhere else on the internet is not going to bring it back. On the other hand, if you started a letter-writing campaign to Pentax on this issue, they might do something about it. Like, block your countless emails. Just kidding. Please note: "average consumer" is a key part of the above issue. We Pentax nuts are a small minority of people buying new cameras. Pentax MUST get new customers to stay alive, and the average consumer is important in this objective. John Celio P.S.: if it helps, I too would like to see the aperture simulator come back, but I am 100% confident that'll never happen. Not even from a non-Pentax K-mount dSLR manufacturer. -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was the price. Pentax seems to have wised up on how to make money over the last few years. Actually, as has been suggested, investing in some older MF glass definitely looks like a very good idea. :-) Marnie aka Doe - Well, buyers can't turn to Sigma for lenses. As long as they don't lose money on the cameras, or don't lose too much, they have a captive market for lenses. The only competition is used lenses. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
David Savage wrote: > At 11:21 PM 11/10/2006, Christian wrote: >>This is why the internet, email and instant messaging are ruining the >>written word. Punctuation is extremely important when you are trying to >>make a point. A missing or misplaced comma can drastically alter the >>meaning of a sentence. Even when I'm hot-headed I re-read my posts to >>make sure the meaning I'm trying to convey is clear. Of course I only >>speak, read and write one language fluently and I give a pass to those >>whom English is not their first language. > > > > gr8 post crstn. > > D. Actually, I have nothing against l33t :-) but it has become its own language and bears little resemblance to written English. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
In a message dated 10/11/2006 6:39:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market. I've been a Pentax user since around 1967-68, and have bought only five new cameras and maybe about the same number of new lenses. I know one person on the list for whom the K10D will be their first new Pentax. But, he has also bought a couple-three new Pentax lenses, and some accessories. Shel = Very good pt, Shel. Actually, if I get the K10D new, likely, it would be my first new Pentax too. And only my second new camera. I've had three used Pentaxes, one new Canon, and two used Canons so far. As for lenses? I think all I've bought new is a 50mm. Well, possibly my Tamron 90mm too. Yup, this hobby is expensive, so I definitely look for used glass/cameras and I try to wait to buy things used after they've been out for a while. So far I've done pretty well doing that. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
David Savage wrote: > > > Too true. > > I had to look up "l33t" to find out what it meant. They should add it to > the list of languages on Babble Fish. > > Dave > > Try this http://www.jayssite.com/stuff/l33t/l33t_translator.html it's a lot of fun! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Yeah, that's right, Pentax only printed a lens catalog in the 70's. They never really sold any lenses other than 50mm K/M during Those years. After all, who would want to change lenses on a SLR. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:14 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > But we were talking about K/M lenses so its not redundant. > There are more K/M lenses than all other lenses combined > So its not insignifigant. In other words, MOST Pentax > Lenses are not fully supported ( but could be ). Yup, it's a shame that those millions and millions of 50mm f1.8 and f2.0 lenses that were sold can't even be used to take a picture now. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
You were expecting ...?
So, I was in Yosemite over the weekend and I was shooting with my Dad. We were near mirror lake when a couple of tourists paused as the walked by to look at the 67. The man saw me pulling a roll of Ektachrome out of the camera and he turned to wife and said, "Oh, look honey, he's using film. How quaint." I chuckled but still pointed to the plastic Canon dslr around his neck and replied, "Yep. But I'd like to see the 16 by 20's you get from that thing..." Now he chuckled and said he knew what I meant and said that his DSLR was actually the first digital he'd used. In fact, it was his company's camera and they just stopped using film cameras. The real funny part for me though was when they started asking about the 67 and I described the size of the negative and whatnot. I swiveled the camera around on the tripod and they both said, "Pentax!?" I laughed again. "Yes, it's a Pentax," I said, "you seem suprised." The man's wife said, "is that screwmount?" "No, it's bayonet mount, been around since 1969." And on and on... I still love it when people see something other than Nikon and Canon and are suprised. Just cracks me up. BTW, we were at Mono Lake and happened upon a camera club shooting the Tufas. There were probably 30-40 members on the shore with maybe 2-3 feet between them. Not one pentax in the crowd as far as I could see...except mine but I wasn't even shooting...the light was terrible. I saw lots of Canons, Nikons, and at least one digi Hassy and a Mamiya. On the way back to the truck I saw a guy shooting with a Rollei. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
Greywolf needs to wipe the egg off his face, he really stepped in it this time. Stan On Oct 11, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: > On 10/11/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Please insert this "r" in the appropriate place. Apparently my smell >> checker thinks shirt without the "r" is an OK word. >> > > That stinks. > > -- > Scott Loveless > http://www.twosixteen.com > Shoot more film! > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 10/11/06 9:07 PM, "Mark Roberts", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except for the ones who are > switching to Pentax (and yes, there are some these days, thanks to the > K10D and the Limited lenses). What? Switching to Pentax? What is the world becoming of!! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
You can't have mine - I just decided to keep them all, for now. Stan On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Tom C wrote: > I think I'll go buy all the used 645 glass. ;-) > > > Tom C. > > > > Original Message Follows > From: "Patrick Genovese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a > mistake! > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:52:46 +0200 > > Has anyone seen this. > > http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 > > It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) > > Regards > > Patrick Genovese > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
You're too late. Some of us have got there already! vvvbg Peter - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake! >I think I'll go buy all the used 645 glass. ;-) > > > Tom C. > > > > Original Message Follows > From: "Patrick Genovese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake! > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:52:46 +0200 > > Has anyone seen this. > > http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 > > It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) > > Regards > > Patrick Genovese > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
At 12:28 AM 12/10/2006, Christian wrote: >David Savage wrote: > > At 11:21 PM 11/10/2006, Christian wrote: > > >>This is why the internet, email and instant messaging are ruining the > >>written word. Punctuation is extremely important when you are trying to > >>make a point. A missing or misplaced comma can drastically alter the > >>meaning of a sentence. Even when I'm hot-headed I re-read my posts to > >>make sure the meaning I'm trying to convey is clear. Of course I only > >>speak, read and write one language fluently and I give a pass to those > >>whom English is not their first language. > > > > > > > > > gr8 post crstn. > > > > D. > >Actually, I have nothing against l33t :-) but it has become its own >language and bears little resemblance to written English. Too true. I had to look up "l33t" to find out what it meant. They should add it to the list of languages on Babble Fish. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Has anyone seen this. > >http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 > >It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) That simply has to be a misprint. If it isn't I'm buying one == I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was the price. Pentax seems to have wised up on how to make money over the last few years. Actually, as has been suggested, investing in some older MF glass definitely looks like a very good idea. :-) Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
At 11:58 PM 11/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 10/11/2006 8:53:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >rite on. > >gr8 post crstn. > >D. >=== >Aww, come on. That one isn't even hard to decode. > >Mrn ;-) That's about the limit of my understanding of that gibberish. :-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Printing--AAARGH!
Thanks for the replies! At this point the soonest I'll be able to try the suggestions is Sunday (choir rehearsal, a wedding rehearsal dinner, and a wedding occupying evenings between now and then). Dave, the strange thing is that printing slide scans hasn't been a problem. I scan them as TIFFs, make the desired adjustments, save as JPG, and print--all from PE4. OTOH, some prints from my Optio 33L's pix have had pretty strange color shifts. This sort of thing makes slides more fun. I sent them off to The Slideprinter and they sent back a print that looked just like the slide. Rick --- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, for what its worth. > > I gave up printing from EL3. I would only use EL 3 > for nef and pef > conversions, then reopen in PS6, that is until i > stumbled upon PSCS. > > I could never get the colours to look anything close > to the monitor, > on the print outs. > In my PS6 and CS they are as close as i can get > using Adobe Gamma, and > no Spyder type thingy. > > Dave > > Quoting Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've been pretty casual about what little printing > > I've done to this point, but now I want things to > look > > just the way they do on the screen. > > > > So, I bought a Huey and calibrated the monitor on > our > > G5 iMac, brought up a couple of photos in PE4 > > (highest-quality jpg files), and tried some prints > > with our Epson RX500. > > > > I've diddled with the myriad printing controls > > endlessly, but two things keep happening: (1) the > > "Preview" doesn't look like the image in PE4; (2) > the > > print doesn't look like =either= the preview or > the > > PE4 image. > > > > Can anyone direct me to some concise instructions > for > > getting what's on the screen to come out of the > > printer? > > > > Rick > > > > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > Equine Photography in York Region > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
In a message dated 10/11/2006 6:47:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who gives a rip about speeeling errors?, we all make them. In addition why proofread a post that really doesn't matter that much anyway? Tom C. == Well, from my own experience -- one of the best ways to annoy someone is concentrate on HOW they are saying something rather than on WHAT they are saying. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
James... That's a deal. And yeah, the lenses are pricey, but only relatively, that is, when you consider the negative size and the prints/scans possible from them any extra cost is worth it. But there are deals out there on lenses, too. KEH usually has a number of good 67 lenses for not much more than comparable 35mm lenses. I recently picked up a later model 165mm f2.8 for only $150 at a retail place so there are some bargains out there. Just keep an eye out. I've been scanning some new negs and positives I shot over the weekend with the 67II and although I wish we had more weather (read: clouds) some of the images are really nice. -Brendan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I just won an MLU 67 with metered prism for > USD$321. Shipping will be > another USD$68. The body looks to be in very good > condition from the photos on > the listing, and it is a business seller. > > I think it's a reasonable price, although I still > have to find the money for a lens. :( > > Quoting Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > There was a pdmler that used to post here named > Aaron. He was > > talking > > about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming > K10D was soo good. > > ;) > > > > rg > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a > body lined up in the > > US. The > > > auction had ended and the seller agreed to > relist at a price I'd > > offered with "buy it > > > now". I watched and waited for several days for > him to get around > > to it. He finally > > > did it...in the middle of the night Australian > time. Of course, by > > the time I got up > > > and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ > > > > > > I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but > between ridiculously high > > prices and dodgy > > > sellers, it's not looking too good. > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part > with any Pentax 6x7 > > gear? I want a > > > body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level > finder is ok. I will > > also want one lens > > > to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't > huge, but is > > realisticat least to > > > get a body and finder. > > > > > > If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 > gear, but 67 is my > > preference. > > > > > > Let me know. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > James Messervy > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Epson R800 or R1800
In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:57:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 1280 is old tech, nice in its day, I would go with the 1800 based upon the performance of my R200. NOTE: I have not used either, I just have found out from experience that Epson has made lots of improvement in function on their newer printers, even if they do look and feel cheaper. -- graywolf === Yes, good pt. I've decided probably to go with the R1800. User's reviews at Amazon are pretty positive. Now I just have to sell some stuff on ebay to come up about 1/2 the price. Marnie :-) The idea of being to print big is attractive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
You've made an interesting point, perhaps without even realizing it. It's quite possible that JCO and others have never bought any new Pentax gear. It's also quite possible that many of the others who are protesting and making noise many not have bought any new Pentax gear, or perhaps just a few items. A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market. I've been a Pentax user since around 1967-68, and have bought only five new cameras and maybe about the same number of new lenses. I know one person on the list for whom the K10D will be their first new Pentax. But, he has also bought a couple-three new Pentax lenses, and some accessories. Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Celio > Pentax has to care about NEW customers > and people who will buy NEW equipment > to stay in business, not some stubborn old > fart who can't be bothered to support his > favorite brand. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
At 05:18 AM 12/10/2006, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: >On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, graywolf wrote: > > > Graywolf has not bought a new camera since 1981, so Pentax doesn't give > > a damn what he thinks. > >I don't buy this argument. People sell their old equipment to buy new. >We are the real enablers. > >E.g. I would not touch the *ist-D with a bargepole. Neither would I, too awkward. Hands are easier. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
Well, I just won an MLU 67 with metered prism for USD$321. Shipping will be another USD$68. The body looks to be in very good condition from the photos on the listing, and it is a business seller. I think it's a reasonable price, although I still have to find the money for a lens. :( Quoting Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was > talking > about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming K10D was soo good. > ;) > > rg > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the > US. The > > auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd > offered with "buy it > > now". I watched and waited for several days for him to get around > to it. He finally > > did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by > the time I got up > > and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ > > > > I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high > prices and dodgy > > sellers, it's not looking too good. > > > > Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 > gear? I want a > > body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will > also want one lens > > to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is > realisticat least to > > get a body and finder. > > > > If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my > preference. > > > > Let me know. > > > > Thanks > > > > James Messervy > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Digital Image Studio wrote: >On 12/10/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As I noted in an earlier message, check the DP Review and Imaging >> Resource message boards: There isn't even a whisper of discontent about >> this issue. Heck, I invite the fanatics on this issue, if they're so >> convinced they're right, to try to stir up some discontent in these >> places. You may deride the users of these fora as being just the >> ignorant masses, but that's precisely the point - they outnumber "us" >> by several thousand to one. And if they're aware of backwards >> compatibility at all, they're absolutely delighted with "green button" >> metering. (So am I, but then, I know how to meter...) > >I'd bet that there are more computer geeks than photographers on the >DP Review forums, here I think we have far more seasoned >photographers. Outside of the forums more than nine out of ten DSLR >purchasers will buy a Canon or Nikon anyhow. ;-) Nope, there aren't many computer geeks there and there are some very fine photographers. And in the Pentax discussion areas there aren't many Canon and Nikon users at all :) Except for the ones who are switching to Pentax (and yes, there are some these days, thanks to the K10D and the Limited lenses). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
Mark Erickson wrote: > Simple question: > > How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you > think Pentax will lose by not including the > Aperture Simulator feature? > > > At least one... JCO's! Not that he would buy it anyway. He'd come up with some other conspiracy theory. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Epson R800 or R1800
I do lightly toned monochrome prints on my R800. I really like the quality I get on glossy paper--great resolution and crispness, deep blacks, no weird color shifts visible to my eye, and output consistent with what I see on screen (I use Photoshop CS2 and calibrate my monitor with a Spider2PRO). I would like the additional size of the R1800, but I don't want it badly enough to spend the $$$. Hope this helps, Mark Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: > >The R2400 is the best printer for BW and matte finish papers. It's >also markedly superior on Epson Premium Lustre Paper and Semigloss. >The R1800 is really for glossy papers, and it's performance on any >paper other than glossy can't matech the R2400. >Paul > >On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote: > >> Hi Bob >> >> Prices have dropped since I bought my R800. Now I would buy an R1800 >> for the occasional A3+ size at the same great quality. >> >> In the UK the R2400 is a lot more expensive with no huge advantage, >> especially if you do mainly colour glossy prints. Black and white is >> another matter apparently >> >> Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
1 On 10/11/06, Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simple question: > > How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you > think Pentax will lose by not including the > Aperture Simulator feature? > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- <> Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry <> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Another Aperture Simulator Survey
Simple question: How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you think Pentax will lose by not including the Aperture Simulator feature? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Not paranoid, just cautious. And since I write custom programs for clients who would be most unimpressed if I passed them a virus, it safeguards my livelihood. I have _never_ received unsolicited approaches from anyone who might have got my address or other information from Microsoft itself: as far as Bill Gates is concerned, my identity is not the one you see on these emails, but something completely different! It hardly seems reasonable to demonstrate the anti-MS sentiments so often expressed both here and in other forums, and at the same time refuse to use the safety measures that MS offer free of charge to us. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions > Paranoia will save you! But then you get all the MS Spyware installed on > your system, and who knows whom Bill sells that information to? > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was talking about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming K10D was soo good. ;) rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The > auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd offered with > "buy it > now". I watched and waited for several days for him to get around to it. He > finally > did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by the time > I got up > and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ > > I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high prices > and dodgy > sellers, it's not looking too good. > > Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 gear? I > want a > body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will also want > one lens > to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is realisticat > least to > get a body and finder. > > If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my preference. > > Let me know. > > Thanks > > James Messervy > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Open letter to Marnie Eactivist
Hey, Marnie... Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages! I have a message for you! AOL keeps sending it back to me. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 12/10/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I noted in an earlier message, check the DP Review and Imaging > Resource message boards: There isn't even a whisper of discontent about > this issue. Heck, I invite the fanatics on this issue, if they're so > convinced they're right, to try to stir up some discontent in these > places. You may deride the users of these fora as being just the > ignorant masses, but that's precisely the point - they outnumber "us" > by several thousand to one. And if they're aware of backwards > compatibility at all, they're absolutely delighted with "green button" > metering. (So am I, but then, I know how to meter...) I'd bet that there are more computer geeks than photographers on the DP Review forums, here I think we have far more seasoned photographers. Outside of the forums more than nine out of ten DSLR purchasers will buy a Canon or Nikon anyhow. ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Cory Papenfuss wrote: > only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount. Death knell? Dude, it is far from dying. As a matter of fact, I'd say the k-mount is flourishing more than it has in 20 years. 5 or 6 *ist varieties (at least three distinct bodies) plus 3 new kXX[X]D bodies in the last couple of years that are selling well and have been well received is anything but a funeral procession. And don't forget to add in all the new lenses (some of actual high quality). sheesh, get over it already. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
William Robb wrote: >From: "Cory Papenfuss" > >>> > Unified customer feedback is the best way of >>> >reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. >>> >>> Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen. >>> >> ... especially with sentiment like that on a "pro-pentax" list. >> It is not "inevitable." It is a (IMO poor) marketing decision that >> they >> should be made aware was incorrect. The quiet resignation of the >> "chosen >> few" only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount. > >I invite you to come up with the numbers proving this. Good challenge. As I noted in an earlier message, check the DP Review and Imaging Resource message boards: There isn't even a whisper of discontent about this issue. Heck, I invite the fanatics on this issue, if they're so convinced they're right, to try to stir up some discontent in these places. You may deride the users of these fora as being just the ignorant masses, but that's precisely the point - they outnumber "us" by several thousand to one. And if they're aware of backwards compatibility at all, they're absolutely delighted with "green button" metering. (So am I, but then, I know how to meter...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On 12/10/06, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aah, c'mon. Since when has something as trivial as a fact stopped > JCO getting his panties in a wad? (ob.UK: knickers in a twist). Fact? Sorry but as attractive as it may be to the non aperture feedback crowd it's nothing but a Chinese whisper from sources unknown. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey >I have to reiterate things for people who don't understand > The basic difference between the Pentax DSLR K/M abandonment > And incompatibity in the name of progress caused by a new > Lensmount design. Pentax doesn't have a new lensmount design > With any progress. Its all regression. What was stopping Canon from continuing to make F1n and T90 camera bodies? They have the resources to do both. Heck, they could have engineered and adaptor and firmware that would have allowed FD users to mount their lenses on the new cameras. Instead, they chose to screw their user base. Like you yourself said: "You fail to understand the signifigance that > LENSES not bodies last forever practically and long term > Support of the lenses is of utmost importance. " > Were you lying when you wrote that? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Paranoia will save you! But then you get all the MS Spyware installed on your system, and who knows whom Bill sells that information to? -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- John Coyle wrote: > I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft > offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed > when it happens! > Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue > programs can exploit any vulnerabilities in those executables anyway, > whether _you_ use them or not. > > I have never had a virus get through my defences: I have an ADSL2 > router/modem which is the first line of defence, backed up by PC-Cillin on > one system and Norton on the other (I know, Norton slows things down but > it's my laptop anyway, so it's not in constant use!), as well as the > built-in XP firewall. I don't, of course, accept anything but plain text > emails, I don't even read the junk emails that get through my ISP's spam > protection system, and I never open or save unexplained or unexpected > attachments. > > Ann, PC-Cillin is pretty good, and Trend Micro are excellent at sending > updates and renewal reminders on time. The latest version (2007) > is a bit more intrusive than the previous one with messages about what it > is doing, but does not slow the system down as much as Norton, particularly > on start-up. > > John Coyle > Brisbane, Australia > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions > > >> In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:51:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> writes: >> I hvae no credit cards listed on the web, fortunately. I >> dont buy ANYTHING >> on line - well, I did once or twice, but I avoid it as a >> whole. >> IF someone tried to take "large amounts of money" from my >> bank account they would >> be in for a big surprise! LOL! >> >> I dont use explorer - I took it off the desktop so I couldnt >> even hit it by mistake. >> I installed Firefox right away. >> >> While much of what you say I'm sure is right, I can't even >> fathom it... >> >> When I get on line I only go to my personal homepage, my >> cafepress store, >> photo.net, ebay and craigslist. or to look at pics you guys >> put up. >> >> I never go to any sites have anything to do with >> entertainment or sports - >> I don't open attachments or forwarded mail. >> >> And I'm keeping my old dial up account for email - for a >> while at least. >> >> ann >> === >> That will cover most security holes, ann. It really well -- common sense >> is >> always the best defense. :-) >> >> I do think, however, some of the MS updates are worth it. The first ones, >> later ones often have to do with Outlook and IE. If one doesn't use them >> the risk >> is much, much less. Especially Outlook. >> >> It doesn't hurt to go to the update page occasionally and look over the >> patches. One can pick and choose which to install. Many are useless for a >> majority >> of us. >> >> I highly recommend though, that you create a system restore point before >> downloading/installing any update. Go to help on your XP menu bar, then >> Pick a >> Task, then Tools, then System Restore, then Set a Restore Point. That >> saves the >> current state of your computer so you can set it back if something goes >> wrong. >> Actually it's not a bad idea to do it before installing any new program. I >> forget and don't do it enough. >> >> I've probably accepted about 6-8 updates since I started with XP about >> four-five years ago. Many are to plug security holes in Outlook, so I >> don't bother >> with those. Some are foreign language patches, and I don't need those. And >> some >> are to plug holes in IE, which I do use occasionally, rarely, but >> occasionally, so I evaluate those on a case by case basis and see if I >> think one or >> another is important or not. And occasionally there is one that is more >> general, >> not applying to either Outlook or I.E., and helpful. >> >> Yous take yous choice. But always create a restore point first. >> >> Avast isn't bad. >> >> Marnie aka Doe >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: The JCO survey >> > Unified customer feedback is the best way of >> >reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. >> > >> >> Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen. >> > ... especially with sentiment like that on a "pro-pentax" list. > It is not "inevitable." It is a (IMO poor) marketing decision that > they > should be made aware was incorrect. The quiet resignation of the > "chosen > few" only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount. I invite you to come up with the numbers proving this. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Face it if they removed all the features I don't need or want they would end up with an MX, and if they took the meter out of it I would not cry too loudly. Only I already have a couple of those . -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- J. C. O'Connell wrote: > Don't believe what companies tell you. They lie to > Hide motives. Secondly, I WILL PAY for the feature, > They don't need to reduce the cost of the body, > Especially if its going to remove key features I want. > JCO > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Mark Roberts > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:22 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux > > Lon Williamson wrote: > >> On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, > > Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture > simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by > their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I > have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax > engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: > > 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction > measure > 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the > level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office.
Quick, everybody send Ali an email . -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Tom C wrote: > OK. Thanks for the notice. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office. > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:03:33 +0200 > > I will be out of the office starting 12.10.2006 and will not return until > 13.10.2006. > > I will respond to your message when I return. In urgent cases please > contact Ali Adelstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
You have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody. Pentax keeps their actual engineers chained up in a dungeon on a small island off the coast of Japan. That is why no one has actually talked directly to one of them. Do I have to say, -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Scott Loveless wrote: > On 10/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lon Williamson wrote: >> >>> On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, >> Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture >> simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by >> their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I >> have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax >> engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: >> >> 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction >> measure >> 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the >> level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) >> >> > > How exactly does one go about contacting a Pentax engineer? Any time > that I've sent Pentax an email message asking anything other than "can > I send it in to get it fixed", it results in a response similar to > "Please visit us online at pentaxslr.com" or some crap like that. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > But we were talking about K/M lenses so its not redundant. > There are more K/M lenses than all other lenses combined > So its not insignifigant. In other words, MOST Pentax > Lenses are not fully supported ( but could be ). Yup, it's a shame that those millions and millions of 50mm f1.8 and f2.0 lenses that were sold can't even be used to take a picture now. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 12/10/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable resistor with its > own tiny linkage and the pot brush arm that depends on friction but not > too much that it would wipe out the resistive surface. Tech now would make it cheaper to implement in an opto-mechanical non-contact sealed unit. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office.
Better yet, sign him up to the list so we could find out if he wants Pentax to include the aperture simulator on the next camera. On 10/11/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe we should all write to Al? > On Oct 11, 2006, at 7:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I will be out of the office starting 12.10.2006 and will not > > return until > > 13.10.2006. > > > > I will respond to your message when I return. In urgent cases please > > contact Ali Adelstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- <> Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry <> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
On 10/11/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please insert this "r" in the appropriate place. Apparently my smell > checker thinks shirt without the "r" is an OK word. > That stinks. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 05:49:35PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Roberts" > Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux > > > > > > > Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture > > simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by > > their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I > > have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax > > engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: > > > > 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction > > measure > > 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the > > level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) > > You could have saved us from the onslaught of a thousand emails if you > had sent this yesterday... Aah, c'mon. Since when has something as trivial as a fact stopped JCO getting his panties in a wad? (ob.UK: knickers in a twist). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
> > Unified customer feedback is the best way of > >reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount. > > > > Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen. > ... especially with sentiment like that on a "pro-pentax" list. It is not "inevitable." It is a (IMO poor) marketing decision that they should be made aware was incorrect. The quiet resignation of the "chosen few" only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: The JCO survey >I saw this message yesterday. Is the list regurgitating or is JCO? > Both have been known to. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On 12/10/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That explains the istD, and can even explain the DS, DL and whatever > other names they put onto that chassis. > The K100 is a brand new chassis, as is the K10. > If popular demand was to put it back on, and it was viable, I expect > they would have done it on one of the two brand new chassis. I guess me and a lot of other *ist D owners weren't interested in the full line of 6MP toy cameras that followed, all I wanted was the camera that the *ist D should have been. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office.
Maybe we should all write to Al? On Oct 11, 2006, at 7:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I will be out of the office starting 12.10.2006 and will not > return until > 13.10.2006. > > I will respond to your message when I return. In urgent cases please > contact Ali Adelstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux > Don't believe what companies tell you. They lie to > Hide motives. Secondly, I WILL PAY for the feature, > They don't need to reduce the cost of the body, > Especially if its going to remove key features I want. You probably know this already, but here's a little secret: Pentax dropped the aperture simulator because they wanted to piss you (and specifically you, and no one else) off. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > Do you know the differene between AE and AE locked? > If you don't then shup up and go read some Pentax manuals. > If you do then your just blowing smoke as ususal to argue. > > > > And AE stands for what? > > William Robb > I bet we get a definition of AE now -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: The JCO survey > >> I've never seen a pair of pliers that was designed to modulate an >> electrical signal, or that would fail because of a little rust. > > You haven't? I've got at least one pair of pliers that are > next to useless because it's all but impossible to open them > except by dedicating both hands (and considerable effort) to > the task. They also tend to stick part-way closed. That sounds like more than a little rust. The nice thing about pliers is that they can be fixed with Jig-A-Loo, which cannot be said for the variable resistor in a camera body William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout) > Not to me it isnt. Satisfaction with a high quality product lasts > Far longer than the short term pleasure of a cheaper price. My > Philosophy has always been to buy WHAT I want at the cheapest > Price possible, not just buy the cheapest price possible and > Make a bad decision of getting something you don't really want > Of will not be happy with in the long run. Regarding using your precious near antique lenses, you are most likely doomed to be dissapointed then. The question is, can you internalize your dissapointment or do you need to keep externalizing it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux > > Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture > simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by > their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I > have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax > engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: > > 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction > measure > 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the > level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) You could have saved us from the onslaught of a thousand emails if you had sent this yesterday... But then, where is the fun in that. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed when it happens! Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue programs can exploit any vulnerabilities in those executables anyway, whether _you_ use them or not. I have never had a virus get through my defences: I have an ADSL2 router/modem which is the first line of defence, backed up by PC-Cillin on one system and Norton on the other (I know, Norton slows things down but it's my laptop anyway, so it's not in constant use!), as well as the built-in XP firewall. I don't, of course, accept anything but plain text emails, I don't even read the junk emails that get through my ISP's spam protection system, and I never open or save unexplained or unexpected attachments. Ann, PC-Cillin is pretty good, and Trend Micro are excellent at sending updates and renewal reminders on time. The latest version (2007) is a bit more intrusive than the previous one with messages about what it is doing, but does not slow the system down as much as Norton, particularly on start-up. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions > In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:51:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > I hvae no credit cards listed on the web, fortunately. I > dont buy ANYTHING > on line - well, I did once or twice, but I avoid it as a > whole. > IF someone tried to take "large amounts of money" from my > bank account they would > be in for a big surprise! LOL! > > I dont use explorer - I took it off the desktop so I couldnt > even hit it by mistake. > I installed Firefox right away. > > While much of what you say I'm sure is right, I can't even > fathom it... > > When I get on line I only go to my personal homepage, my > cafepress store, > photo.net, ebay and craigslist. or to look at pics you guys > put up. > > I never go to any sites have anything to do with > entertainment or sports - > I don't open attachments or forwarded mail. > > And I'm keeping my old dial up account for email - for a > while at least. > > ann > === > That will cover most security holes, ann. It really well -- common sense > is > always the best defense. :-) > > I do think, however, some of the MS updates are worth it. The first ones, > later ones often have to do with Outlook and IE. If one doesn't use them > the risk > is much, much less. Especially Outlook. > > It doesn't hurt to go to the update page occasionally and look over the > patches. One can pick and choose which to install. Many are useless for a > majority > of us. > > I highly recommend though, that you create a system restore point before > downloading/installing any update. Go to help on your XP menu bar, then > Pick a > Task, then Tools, then System Restore, then Set a Restore Point. That > saves the > current state of your computer so you can set it back if something goes > wrong. > Actually it's not a bad idea to do it before installing any new program. I > forget and don't do it enough. > > I've probably accepted about 6-8 updates since I started with XP about > four-five years ago. Many are to plug security holes in Outlook, so I > don't bother > with those. Some are foreign language patches, and I don't need those. And > some > are to plug holes in IE, which I do use occasionally, rarely, but > occasionally, so I evaluate those on a case by case basis and see if I > think one or > another is important or not. And occasionally there is one that is more > general, > not applying to either Outlook or I.E., and helpful. > > Yous take yous choice. But always create a restore point first. > > Avast isn't bad. > > Marnie aka Doe > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: The JCO survey > Yes but what they did was IMPROVE their entire > Mount, Penatax has done no such such thing > Here. That's what I am talking about. Its all > Loss with no gain. Canon EOS mount had a huge gain. > There is no gain with new pentax cameras and lenses > With regards to the mount. None. It wasn't a huge gain for the FD mount camera users. All the Canon boys that I talked to at the time thought it was a huge loss for them, since they no longer had a replacement camera path of any consequence. You treat the millions of Canon FD users who were screwed as if they didn't exist, and treat the few Pentax users who are a bit inconvenienced as if they've been screwed. I doubt if you see that, but I find it ironic. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Epson R800 or R1800
The 1280 is old tech, nice in its day, I would go with the 1800 based upon the performance of my R200. NOTE: I have not used either, I just have found out from experience that Epson has made lots of improvement in function on their newer printers, even if they do look and feel cheaper. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 10/11/2006 1:30:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have an R800. I use Qprint with it. It makes good prints and is easy > to use. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > == > Thanks. Thanks, everyone. I am looking at the 1280 too, simply because it's > cheaper (than the 1800). I sort of flinch at spending a lot on a printer. > Heck, > for those prices I could get a good lens. :-) > > Marnie aka Doe Still thinking about it. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Scott Loveless wrote: >How exactly does one go about contacting a Pentax engineer? Any time >that I've sent Pentax an email message asking anything other than "can >I send it in to get it fixed", it results in a response similar to >"Please visit us online at pentaxslr.com" or some crap like that. My contact was someone who worked for Pentax. I didn't ask how he contacted the engineer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > Ironically, Canon was forced to introduce a new low-end FD body which > lasted for a number of years (the T50, made by Cosina) after they > tried > to kill FD, they didn't succeed until 1991 or so. Minolta sold MD kit > right until the end, with the X700, and even Olympus introduced their > last OM body in 2000 (both of which were made by Cosina of course). I remember the T50 as one of the last FD mount bodies, along with the T70, and T90. We couldn't get them after about 1988 or 89. They weren't a camera for anyone with an interest in photography past snapshooting. IIRC, the only exposure control on the T50 was the ISO dial. I'm amazed the X-700 was around for as long as it was, there was also a Chinese company that made an X-370 clone for quite a while. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
On 12/10/06, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not me. I wasn't one of them who claimed that. You've got to learn to read John, I didn't suggest or infer that you did. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Don't believe what companies tell you. They lie to Hide motives. Secondly, I WILL PAY for the feature, They don't need to reduce the cost of the body, Especially if its going to remove key features I want. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:22 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux Lon Williamson wrote: >On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction measure 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On 10/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lon Williamson wrote: > > >On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, > > Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture > simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by > their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I > have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax > engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: > > 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction > measure > 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the > level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) > > How exactly does one go about contacting a Pentax engineer? Any time that I've sent Pentax an email message asking anything other than "can I send it in to get it fixed", it results in a response similar to "Please visit us online at pentaxslr.com" or some crap like that. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
Good luck in your search, however i still love shooting my 6x7 so Dave Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The > auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd > offered with "buy it > now". I watched and waited for several days for him to get around > to it. He finally > did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by > the time I got up > and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ > > I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high > prices and dodgy > sellers, it's not looking too good. > > Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 > gear? I want a > body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will > also want one lens > to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is > realisticat least to > get a body and finder. > > If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my preference. > > Let me know. > > Thanks > > James Messervy > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
I have to reiterate things for people who don't understand The basic difference between the Pentax DSLR K/M abandonment And incompatibity in the name of progress caused by a new Lensmount design. Pentax doesn't have a new lensmount design With any progress. Its all regression. Jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey I saw this message yesterday. Is the list regurgitating or is JCO? On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:56 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > Yes but what they did was IMPROVE their entire > Mount, Penatax has done no such such thing > Here. That's what I am talking about. Its all > Loss with no gain. Canon EOS mount had a huge gain. > There is no gain with new pentax cameras and lenses > With regards to the mount. None. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:03 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: The JCO survey > > >> Cant you read my posts? Canon did not "simply bail on their base" >> > > They completely abandoned their FD user base. > I'm not debating that the FD mount wasn't compatable with the new > available technology, BTW. > What Canon did was stop manufacturing FD mount cameras almost > immediately after releasing the EOS cameras. > All the people who had bought FD mount cameras suddenly no longer had > any way of buying a new replacement camera body if the one they had > became unservicable. > The FD lens owner could not mount their old lenses onto the new > cameras. > Period. > This pretty much screwed anyone who had a good selection of FD glass, > which at the time was some of the best glass coming out of Japan. > > To use your own phrase (more or less), it was a support issue. > > And yes, I can read your posts, but they don't make a whole lot of > sense, as they tend to ignore things like facts. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
But we were talking about K/M lenses so its not redundant. There are more K/M lenses than all other lenses combined So its not insignifigant. In other words, MOST Pentax Lenses are not fully supported ( but could be ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:08 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey It's redundant on all but K/M lenses. All other lenses (the vast majority of what would actually be used on a DSLR) don't need one. A and later lenses because they couple electronically and adapter-mounted lenses becuase they don't couple at all. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: > The K/M lens sensor would not be redundent as there > Is no function already in there doing that. It has > Been removed along with its function just like I stated. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:50 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: The JCO survey > > >> 1. you are assumeing that these DSLRs will never need service > > No, you are assuming that I am assuming that. > >> 2. can be more reliable means just that. A pair of pliers >> has moving parts, when was the last time you had a pair that >> didn't work? > > This summer, actually. I had a water pump plier that wouldn't hold it's > adjustment anymore, and I managed to snap a set of Kleins removing > electrical staples from old fir studs. > Closer to the topic, I have had (sorry to repeat, but you seem to have > missed it the first time) multiple failures of the very parts required > to allow full operation of a very small number of lenses on several > cameras. > > >> 3. Yes moving parts eventually wear out, but that's no reason >> to remove key features of a camera because some part may >> wear out someday. Your argument of stripping out key features >> just because it involves a moving part is silly, might as >> well get rid of the shutter too and shoot everything with >> your hand in front of the lens as the shutter too? > > Repair issues are a perfectly good reason to remove parts that have > become redundant. > I have seen concept shutters that use an LCD panel instead of moving > parts, when they become viable, you can expect mechanical shutters will > also become a thing of the past. > > William Robb > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Cotty wrote: >On 11/10/06, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Dude, don't attribute that shite to me. That was your buddy JCO. > >Apologies, I should have cropped the attribution line. What a cant I am. Is that because you prefer to use Immanuel-focus cameras? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Lon Williamson wrote: >On the offhand chance that Pentax peeks at this list, Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by their tone as well as the semantic content of their messages) and I have received private email from someone who actually asked a Pentax engineer about this issue. The engineer's response was: 1) Yes, the aperture simulator *was* eliminated as a cost-reduction measure 2) They have no plans to bring it back (based at least partly on the level of acceptance of the "green button" workaround) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
I saw this message yesterday. Is the list regurgitating or is JCO? On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:56 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > Yes but what they did was IMPROVE their entire > Mount, Penatax has done no such such thing > Here. That's what I am talking about. Its all > Loss with no gain. Canon EOS mount had a huge gain. > There is no gain with new pentax cameras and lenses > With regards to the mount. None. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:03 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: The JCO survey > > >> Cant you read my posts? Canon did not "simply bail on their base" >> > > They completely abandoned their FD user base. > I'm not debating that the FD mount wasn't compatable with the new > available technology, BTW. > What Canon did was stop manufacturing FD mount cameras almost > immediately after releasing the EOS cameras. > All the people who had bought FD mount cameras suddenly no longer had > any way of buying a new replacement camera body if the one they had > became unservicable. > The FD lens owner could not mount their old lenses onto the new > cameras. > Period. > This pretty much screwed anyone who had a good selection of FD glass, > which at the time was some of the best glass coming out of Japan. > > To use your own phrase (more or less), it was a support issue. > > And yes, I can read your posts, but they don't make a whole lot of > sense, as they tend to ignore things like facts. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
That's a real stretch. Nothing in Pentax marketing plans indicates any interest in full frame. Paul On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Peter Fairweather wrote: > The next Pentax K1d will be full frame so you are going to need > adapters for your APS lenses more than aperture simulators. It might > even bring a smile to the face of JCO with his full frame K lenses! > > Peter > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
It's redundant on all but K/M lenses. All other lenses (the vast majority of what would actually be used on a DSLR) don't need one. A and later lenses because they couple electronically and adapter-mounted lenses becuase they don't couple at all. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: > The K/M lens sensor would not be redundent as there > Is no function already in there doing that. It has > Been removed along with its function just like I stated. > jco > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:50 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: The JCO survey > > > - Original Message - > From: "J. C. O'Connell" > Subject: RE: The JCO survey > > >> 1. you are assumeing that these DSLRs will never need service > > No, you are assuming that I am assuming that. > >> 2. can be more reliable means just that. A pair of pliers >> has moving parts, when was the last time you had a pair that >> didn't work? > > This summer, actually. I had a water pump plier that wouldn't hold it's > adjustment anymore, and I managed to snap a set of Kleins removing > electrical staples from old fir studs. > Closer to the topic, I have had (sorry to repeat, but you seem to have > missed it the first time) multiple failures of the very parts required > to allow full operation of a very small number of lenses on several > cameras. > > >> 3. Yes moving parts eventually wear out, but that's no reason >> to remove key features of a camera because some part may >> wear out someday. Your argument of stripping out key features >> just because it involves a moving part is silly, might as >> well get rid of the shutter too and shoot everything with >> your hand in front of the lens as the shutter too? > > Repair issues are a perfectly good reason to remove parts that have > become redundant. > I have seen concept shutters that use an LCD panel instead of moving > parts, when they become viable, you can expect mechanical shutters will > also become a thing of the past. > > William Robb > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office.
OK. Thanks for the notice. Tom C. Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Markus Bauernfeind/FAST TV Server AG is out of the office. Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:03:33 +0200 I will be out of the office starting 12.10.2006 and will not return until 13.10.2006. I will respond to your message when I return. In urgent cases please contact Ali Adelstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd offered with "buy it now". I watched and waited for several days for him to get around to it. He finally did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by the time I got up and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high prices and dodgy sellers, it's not looking too good. Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 gear? I want a body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will also want one lens to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is realisticat least to get a body and finder. If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my preference. Let me know. Thanks James Messervy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
Patrick Genovese wrote: >Has anyone seen this. > >http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 > >It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) That simply has to be a misprint. If it isn't I'm buying one -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
