Re: PESO - Contemplating
In a message dated 2/14/2007 9:29:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce, for some reason this immediately reminded me of Highlander series... Terrific shot. By the way, my wife concurs about the Highlander association. Boris = You're right. Makes me think of that too. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Bye for a while
I am going to unsubscribe for a week or two. Got lots to do in real life and list is beginning to interfere again. Be back later, take care, Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Bye for a while
Be sure to take care of yourself, Marnie aka Doe ;-). On 2/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to unsubscribe for a week or two. Got lots to do in real life and list is beginning to interfere again. Be back later, take care, Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Tree in Cemetery 2
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 12:21:50 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Tree in Cemetery 2 Cotty wrote: BTW, people are just dying to get in there. Said Tom, gravely... Here we go. We're gonna get buried in puns. That would be a sad undertaking. At your service. I can dig that. I'm disappointed. This is not your usual cryptic self. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On 14/2/07, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: It was not quite like this before. Before jco? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Reply at the bottom. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 01:19:10 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Screw You Dude. thats not what happened. All I did was mention that someone was confusing one function with another and they lost it and started into a foul mouthed personal attack tirade against me which I will always respond to in kind. I did not start this kind of thing, I never do. I only respond that when when provoked first and without cause. And conversations are conversations, they always stray away from the original topic. when anybody else does it, its a conversation, when I do it, it's called hijacking. Just another load of total bullshit as usual to divert the attention away from these stupid posts of theirs without any kind of valid on topic rebuttals to my contentions. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Adam Maas wrote: People say they killfile others but they don't and react. Whatever one's frustration is, these languages do make anyone (at least me) feel sad. It's only about lens, and I just have to wonder why a little thing provokes others' mind so much. There does not seem that any pride or I-am-superior-to-you issue involves here. Just sad. It was not quite like this before. I'd killfiled him in Thunderbird, where I could see the messages everytime I went into the trash to empty it. Which led to the temptation to actually read and respond to the message. He's going to /dev/null on the mailserver shortly. I have the idiot killfiled and normally do not read his posts at all, or respond. However, I have my filter set up to flag me when a reference to any of my names/email addresses/etc are included. I like to know when a schmuck like this is using a quote from me or bad mouthing me behind my back. I agree it's sad: It's sad that this jerk can hijack any thread he wants to, call people names, and fill my mailbox with mindless, repetitive and foolish stupidity. It gets me angry too when he says things that are obviously false and wrong, and quotes me in them, even when my comment has had NOTHING to do with whatever idiotic agenda he happens to be pushing at any given moment. So I respond in kind on those occasions.. G I, for one, would prefer it if both of you showed a little dignity for yourselves and respect for the others on this list. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 04:19:24 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I'm not confusing anything you total bag of shit. Now shut the fuck up and go die painfully. Hey, I did not subscribe to the PDML to read such nonsense. Please don't quote JCO (swearing at him is OK). On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Who gives a shit what J. C. O'Connell wrote on Feb 14, 2007, at 12:51 PM... Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Yes I think so too. A K1D should have the aperture simulator. I dunno of the K1D is that near but a K9D or K5D or then a K1000D will probably announced at PMA. Pentax ios supposed to announce 3 DSLR in 2007. The K10D counts for 2006 and the 645D has been postponed. Make your bets now ;) 2007/2/15, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd expect the K1D to have it, if that proves real. I never expect to see one on a sub-$1500 camera. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I didn't use to think they would add an aperture simulator, but I do now. Partly in response to demand, partly as a way of adding more value to another APS-C camera. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens IMO there's more a (infinitely small) possibility of a K-mount DSLR with aperture simulator than an M42 DSLR. Seems pretty obvious. If Pentax wants to go uptown with their K mount, they will pretty much have to do it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: NO FS this Friday?
And when you're at home (or anywhere else inside) it can do a pretty honest job as a portrait lens @135-200mm with an external flash. I got some nice portraits (given the bad conditions) using DA50-200+K10D+360FGZ. 2007/2/15, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good move. I'll be interested in hearing what you think of it. As I've said before, it's among the lenses I use most often. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:57 PM, cbwaters wrote: I ended-up buying the DA50-200 new. I had a gift card from Amazon that I received for Christmas so I figured that + the rebate made buying a new lens easier ;) CW - Original Message - From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: NO FS this Friday? Man, the lens pickens are SLIM... There's like three lenses total at KEH, Ebay looks to have been picked over like last week's kill, and nothing at all offered on the PDML... How's a guy supposed to enable himself these days? Cory spent a lot of money in the last 7 days on a camera, still want another lens... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.19/663 - Release Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. -Adam Thibouille wrote: Yes I think so too. A K1D should have the aperture simulator. I dunno of the K1D is that near but a K9D or K5D or then a K1000D will probably announced at PMA. Pentax ios supposed to announce 3 DSLR in 2007. The K10D counts for 2006 and the 645D has been postponed. Make your bets now ;) 2007/2/15, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd expect the K1D to have it, if that proves real. I never expect to see one on a sub-$1500 camera. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I didn't use to think they would add an aperture simulator, but I do now. Partly in response to demand, partly as a way of adding more value to another APS-C camera. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens IMO there's more a (infinitely small) possibility of a K-mount DSLR with aperture simulator than an M42 DSLR. Seems pretty obvious. If Pentax wants to go uptown with their K mount, they will pretty much have to do it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
I hope it works. If it does, it makes the K10D a better screwmount body than the reasonably priced EOS bodies (Which have inferior viewfinders to the K10D and lack SR of course). -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I'll try it with the K10 this weekend. I still have a few screwmount lenses. (I once had many, but I sold some to fund my first D.) Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I did, until I found out the hard way that it wasn't true for the newer bodies (Not sure about the K10D, but the K110D and K100D don't do Av properly with preset lenses that don't short the A contacts). I shoud have been more specific. The older bodies (at least the *istD) do Av with M42 or preset lenses fine, not sure about the DS or DL, the low-end K bodies don't. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Humm, isn't it Adam who usually does the pointing out??? John Francis wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 06:58:27PM +, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Adam Maas wrote: Pentax DSLR's with M42 lenses (which offer metering only via the green button hack or DoF preview Is that true with M42s? I thought that it meters fully in Av mode without any user intervention. It does. Adam is wrong. As has frequently been pointed out here, if you want to use old lenses with the digital bodies you might be better off with screw- mount lenses; you lose full-aperture framing for composition, but you gain full-time metering. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: *ist D Oh so quiet!
On 2/15/07, Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the D sound more like a Panda's sneeze? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk ROTFLMAO Cheers, Dave (with tears running down his face) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
mike wilson wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 04:19:24 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Do you think...
The inquiring minds wander all too far off the surface of good ol' mother Earth... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think the ciaper-wearing astronatut killed Anna Nichol Smith? They were both in Florida. Inquiring minds want to know. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. Hmm... but Bill indicated that the K mount was better before they buggered it up... I don't think K mount has ever had the release on the other side, has it? At least none of my bodies do (admittedly I don't have a K series, only M and later) - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting system is superior to K mounting system?
The extra time taken to screw on an m42 vs the speed of the K-mount bayonet fitting provides more time to consider the shot? 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
Hmm... but Bill indicated that the K mount was better before they buggered it up... I don't think K mount has ever had the release on the other side, has it? At least none of my bodies do (admittedly I don't have a K series, only M and later) Nope, all on the same side, I find the earlier release more prominent and easier to use though, but never really gave it much thought. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
On 2/15/07, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. Hmm... but Bill indicated that the K mount was better before they buggered it up... I don't think K mount has ever had the release on the other side, has it? At least none of my bodies do (admittedly I don't have a K series, only M and later) Bill's talking about the location of the tit on older lenses (that has been removed on newer lenses) and the lens release button on the camera. They used to line up so you could do lens changes purely by feel. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 10:00:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? mike wilson wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 04:19:24 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system? You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. I can do that easily with my film cameras (being lefthanded possibly helps) but I find that the prism gets in the way with the DSLR. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
Peter Loveday wrote: You didn't scratch up the lens mount trying to get the bayonet lined up, like with the K-mount, instead you simply cross-threaded the lens. Before Pentax buggered up the lens release, and took the dits off the lenses, there was never an excuse to mis mount a K mount lens. Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. Hmm... but Bill indicated that the K mount was better before they buggered it up... I don't think K mount has ever had the release on the other side, has it? At least none of my bodies do (admittedly I don't have a K series, only M and later) - Peter Well, the lever-type release on older bodies is much easier to use than the button on newer bodies, but I don't like either due to the poor choice in location. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
I was just trying to change the direction of the thread:-). But on a more serious note, I felt sorry for Anna Nichol as well. When I was working in LA a few summers ago, I used to see her quite frequently at Hal's in Venice. That was before she lost the weight. She didn't look good. She was unkempt and her clothes were wrinkled and unattractive. She seemed very sad and beaten. She always came with a small, short-haired woman who seemed to be her moral support. I started wondering if they were a couple. Sometimes when they sat near me, I'd hear their conversations. Anna Nichol was not very verbal. The friend seemed to be playing the role of guardian and mentor. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/14/2007 12:59:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the purposes of discussion, I think that we have to ASSUME that the astronatut DID in fact KILL Anna Nichol. Well, that would be more interesting that I suspect the truth is. Actually, I came to feel sorry for her despite being the bimbo that she obviously was. Losing her twenty year old son like that day after her daughter was born, that would be a really tough blow for anyone. They said she had been sick and running a fever and her stomach was full of blood. She easily could have developed an ulcer from all the stress and it easily could have burst. That is why I lay my money down on that. And one has to debate how dumb someone really is, when they snag a billionaire. (Although no prenup? No new will? Hmmm, maybe not so smart after all). Not that I don't appreciate your attempts at levity. ;-) Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Ivy and Ice
Thanks. I'm thinking I should crop out the right side. Or look for another frame. I shot some tighter. Paul On Feb 15, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: It has some kind of painting quality in it, especially the left hand side. Boris Paul Stenquist wrote: K10D, DA 50-200, F7.1, 1/250th, ISO 320, 73mm, TAv mode: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5583526size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Sounds good to me. That's about what I expect as well. Probably some more improvement in regard to image handling as well, although I think it will be the same sensor and the same resolution as the K10. Paul On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. -Adam Thibouille wrote: Yes I think so too. A K1D should have the aperture simulator. I dunno of the K1D is that near but a K9D or K5D or then a K1000D will probably announced at PMA. Pentax ios supposed to announce 3 DSLR in 2007. The K10D counts for 2006 and the 645D has been postponed. Make your bets now ;) 2007/2/15, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd expect the K1D to have it, if that proves real. I never expect to see one on a sub-$1500 camera. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I didn't use to think they would add an aperture simulator, but I do now. Partly in response to demand, partly as a way of adding more value to another APS-C camera. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens IMO there's more a (infinitely small) possibility of a K-mount DSLR with aperture simulator than an M42 DSLR. Seems pretty obvious. If Pentax wants to go uptown with their K mount, they will pretty much have to do it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:47:21 +1030, Peter Loveday wrote: Hmm... but Bill indicated that the K mount was better before they buggered it up... I don't think K mount has ever had the release on the other side, has it? At least none of my bodies do (admittedly I don't have a K series, only M and later) One thing I have noticed is that on my K10D is that the lens release button is lower down when compared to the K/M/A series of cameras So the pip on the K/M/A lens don't line up with the lens release button. My MZ7 has the Release button about 1/2 way between the K/M/A series and the K10D cameras so again the pip won't line up with it either. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system?
I suppose it depends on what you're used to. I've always had K-mount cameras (Pentax and Ricoh) and developed a quick lens release system using the forefinger of the left hand to press the release while twisting the lens with the right hand. When I recently bought a Minolta 7000 (for history's sake), I found the release on the opposite side of the mount awkward. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, the lever-type release on older bodies is much easier to use than the button on newer bodies, but I don't like either due to the poor choice in location. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Click for free info on Hollywood careers and quit your boring job http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/CAaCMPJdQdAnoFDsQgfwKEjZYccRcuaR/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Isn't it time for Pentax to state where they are with their sensor tech? They were supposed to develop their sensor themselves IIRC 2007/2/15, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds good to me. That's about what I expect as well. Probably some more improvement in regard to image handling as well, although I think it will be the same sensor and the same resolution as the K10. Paul On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. -Adam Thibouille wrote: Yes I think so too. A K1D should have the aperture simulator. I dunno of the K1D is that near but a K9D or K5D or then a K1000D will probably announced at PMA. Pentax ios supposed to announce 3 DSLR in 2007. The K10D counts for 2006 and the 645D has been postponed. Make your bets now ;) 2007/2/15, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd expect the K1D to have it, if that proves real. I never expect to see one on a sub-$1500 camera. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I didn't use to think they would add an aperture simulator, but I do now. Partly in response to demand, partly as a way of adding more value to another APS-C camera. Paul On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:09 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens IMO there's more a (infinitely small) possibility of a K-mount DSLR with aperture simulator than an M42 DSLR. Seems pretty obvious. If Pentax wants to go uptown with their K mount, they will pretty much have to do it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Hillcrest
I like it pretty much as is. Not quite the drama of Inversion, and a bit more to my liking than Common Ground. Godfrey On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Tom C wrote: Sorry to bombard... I going to start calling it PMOTN (Picture More Often Than Not). http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5597132 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
Not quite true. There are still contacts telling body about lens' aperture range and enabling matrix metering and P-TTL + wireless flash. On 15.02.2007, at 01:33 , Cory Papenfuss wrote: Correct... OR an A lens off the 'A' position. It effectively becomes a 'K/M' lens. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
Not quite true. There are still contacts telling body about lens' aperture range and enabling matrix metering and P-TTL + wireless flash. On 15.02.2007, at 01:33 , Cory Papenfuss wrote: Correct... OR an A lens off the 'A' position. It effectively becomes a 'K/M' lens. There are, but I don't think the body uses the info when off 'A'. I'm pretty sure that the manual for my -DS says that, and my experience has been the same. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
First impressions: The viewfinder is about the same as the Digital Rebel (I have the 300D, not later editions and its viewfinder is pretty good); the The later Rebels have a crappier finder than the first gen? A friend of mine has an XTi, and the viewfinder on it really sucks compared to my -DS. I also find the XTi's LCD to be much grainier and dimmer than the -DS. menu is not as nice or as easy to use as the Canon and it covers less; it is a good size, but I have liked the size of the Canon too; the built-in grip is better (more prominent); it is a lot noisier than the Canon (shutter slap), a lot, I didn't like that part; although slightly smaller than the Canon it is heavier, and it feels more solidly built; the layout of the controls is nice, I like having the mode dial (MF, A, etc.) on the left, rather than the right, it breaks up mentally the shutter from the mode dial; and I like the 16-45. I may like the 16-45 over the 17-40 4L, it seemed to go went wider angle, maybe the 1 difference in focal length is enough difference. But those were rapid first impressions and I have liked the 300D a lot more than people on this list would like me to have liked it. :-) If anyone wants to hear more first impression comparisons later, after I have tried it out more, just holler. Marnie aka Doe :-) -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. -Adam Wow... I find it exactly opposite. I generally use the ring finger on my right hand to depress the lever while holding the body with the same. Makes more sense to me to use the stationary hand on a stationary button than a hand moving to unmount a lens. Maybe if I had smaller hands I wouldn't be able to do it that way and I'd complain about it. ... don't even get me going on the reverse-turning Nikons... -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Isn't it time for Pentax to state where they are with their sensor tech? They were supposed to develop their sensor themselves IIRC As soon as they announced where they are going, one of the bigger players with more resources would trump them prior to a product introduction. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens I was just trying to change the direction of the thread:-). But on a more serious note, I felt sorry for Anna Nichol as well. I tend to feel sorry for anyone who gets elevated to celebrity status. They never seem happy, and generally seem harassed. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. That's pretty much what is coming: 14-15 megapixel CMOS sensor. Lower crop factor then current APS-C but still small enough to use built-in anti-shake. No aperture simulator, but most of the other stuff you mentioned. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Who gives a shit what J. C. O'Connell wrote on Feb 14, 2007, at 12:51 PM... Wasn't that sentence supposed to have a question mark? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system?
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? They moved the release button to lower on the body, and removed the alignment dit from the lenses (this was done on the aperture ring free lenses). Prior to this, if you put one thumb on the lens release button, and the other thumb on the did, all you had to do was line up your thumbs to mount the lens. It was possible to mount a lens without looking at the camera, and was one of the features that brought me to Pentax. M-42 was better for mounting because there was no alignment of any sort required when mounting a lens. The downside of M-42 is that lens changes took much longer because of the number of turns required to remove the lens compared to the 1/4 turn required on the K mount. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
From: Adam Maas Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:52:47 -0800 You don't agree, that's nice. It works for me. Note also (as per our last go 'round on the subject of open-aperture metering) that I'm rarely shooting more than 2 stops down from wide open. And I shoot with fast lenses. It seems to me that shooting a fast lens stopped down a couple of stops would give a similar viewfinder brightness as using a zoom lens wide open, but you would have the benefit of a generally higher contrast image to work with. I can't believe people can't figure this out and choose to argue about it instead, since we've been manually focusing zoom lenses in the f/4-f/5.6 maximum aperture range for a couple of decades. Obviously, it's doable. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
Cory Papenfuss wrote: The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. -Adam Wow... I find it exactly opposite. I generally use the ring finger on my right hand to depress the lever while holding the body with the same. Makes more sense to me to use the stationary hand on a stationary button than a hand moving to unmount a lens. Maybe if I had smaller hands I wouldn't be able to do it that way and I'd complain about it. ... don't even get me going on the reverse-turning Nikons... -Cory I use the index finger, which presses right up against the mount button on Nikon and Canon EF mounts. For this, the Nikon reverse-turn works a bit better than the Canons. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
William Robb wrote: From: Adam Maas Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:52:47 -0800 You don't agree, that's nice. It works for me. Note also (as per our last go 'round on the subject of open-aperture metering) that I'm rarely shooting more than 2 stops down from wide open. And I shoot with fast lenses. It seems to me that shooting a fast lens stopped down a couple of stops would give a similar viewfinder brightness as using a zoom lens wide open, but you would have the benefit of a generally higher contrast image to work with. I can't believe people can't figure this out and choose to argue about it instead, since we've been manually focusing zoom lenses in the f/4-f/5.6 maximum aperture range for a couple of decades. Obviously, it's doable. William Robb Yep. And I prefer to be as cloe to wide-open as is workable, I like to see the character of the lens which is so often hidden at small apertures, as well as shallow DoF. So I shoot fast glass wide open (And hit my head on max shutter speeds all the time). I actually get a lot of questions when people look at my exposure data, usually along the lines of 'why the hell did you shoot this at 1/3200 and f3.3?' or similar, or conversely 'how did you get the nice out of focus areas?'. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
It would also have to be a crop factor that would accommodate DA lenses, particularly the high-end DA* lenses. Pentax won't orphan these on introduction day. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. That's pretty much what is coming: 14-15 megapixel CMOS sensor. Lower crop factor then current APS-C but still small enough to use built-in anti-shake. No aperture simulator, but most of the other stuff you mentioned. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. That's pretty much what is coming: 14-15 megapixel CMOS sensor. Lower crop factor then current APS-C but still small enough to use built-in anti-shake. No aperture simulator, but most of the other stuff you mentioned. I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Lens mounts
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system? I use the index finger, which presses right up against the mount button on Nikon and Canon EF mounts. For this, the Nikon reverse-turn works a bit better than the Canons. I don't recall having any problems with the Nikon bayonet, though I never did move into the autofocus era with them. Setting the maximum aperture on the meter on the F2 was a bit of a slug, and having to set the aperture to 5.6 on the F wasn't the nicest, but this is very old tech, and was cutting edge for the day. I switched seamlessly to Pentax, the button placement never bothered me, the mount/dismount direction being backwards to what I was used to was a bit of a nuisance for a while, and I really liked being able to switch lenses while watching what I was supposed to be shooting. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
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Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
Cory Papenfuss wrote: First impressions: The viewfinder is about the same as the Digital Rebel (I have the 300D, not later editions and its viewfinder is pretty good); the The later Rebels have a crappier finder than the first gen? A friend of mine has an XTi, and the viewfinder on it really sucks compared to my -DS. I also find the XTi's LCD to be much grainier and dimmer than the -DS. Yep, the XT/XTi finder is inferior to the plain DRebel's. The Rebel's is similar to the DL/K100D, just with a dimmer focus screen. -Cory -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
The DSLR's ignore them when the lens is off A. Most of the film SLR's handle this differently. -Adam Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Not quite true. There are still contacts telling body about lens' aperture range and enabling matrix metering and P-TTL + wireless flash. On 15.02.2007, at 01:33 , Cory Papenfuss wrote: Correct... OR an A lens off the 'A' position. It effectively becomes a 'K/M' lens. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Since my backup is now a D, any camera that offers better specs than the K10D will be on my shopping list. I'm not going to buy a second K10 for just that reason. I find even incremental improvements worthwhile. I intend to continue to invest in DA lenses, so I certainly don't want a larger sensor. Better is good, larger is bad. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
William Robb wrote: From: Adam Maas I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. Not enough to interest most people; going from 10 MP to 12 is pointless. That's why you won't see an upgrade with less than 14-15 megapixels. Pentax wisely skipped the 8MP in-between cameras and will do the same kind of thing again. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Since my backup is now a D, any camera that offers better specs than the K10D will be on my shopping list. I'm not going to buy a second K10 for just that reason. I find even incremental improvements worthwhile. I intend to continue to invest in DA lenses, so I certainly don't want a larger sensor. Better is good, larger is bad. The K10 performs well enough for me, I'm not looking for an incremental improvement. I'd be interested in a 15mp body, but not at the expense of losing shake reduction, which I find very useful, or more noise than the K10 (which I find very good). Your point on the subject is well taken though. Were I in the market for a backup body, then I'd have the same thoughts as you. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Well you Cotty, when you were younger, more handsome and had more hair! ;-) Cotty wrote: On 14/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm not confusing anything you total bag of shit. Now shut the fuck up and go die painfully. I always try and visualise people on this list. Who does this remind you of? http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40828000/jpg/_40828265_fatherjack.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On 2/15/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) OK, smarty pants, I'll bite. Any idea of the price point? D200ish? More? Sony CMOS? Maybe a Samsung CMOS? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
We're back to the leaked press releases. Mark will soon get e-mails from various list members begging for a copy:-). But there's really no need, if Mark has it, it will show up on d-preview within a weeki:-) Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: From: Adam Maas I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. Not enough to interest most people; going from 10 MP to 12 is pointless. That's why you won't see an upgrade with less than 14-15 megapixels. Pentax wisely skipped the 8MP in-between cameras and will do the same kind of thing again. Pentax didn't skip the 8MP cameras. Nobody made an 8MP sensor in DX format, so they couldn't make one. Right now there are essentially 3 sensors available to Pentax in the DX format, the 6.1MP sensor in most of the Pentax DSLRs, the 10MP sensor in 2 and 4 channel versions and the Sony 12.4MP CMOS sensor currently in the Nikon D2Xs. There are currently no other options in 1.5x crop, and even if they went up in size, they'd be stuck with 10MP sensors unless they rolled their own. If we see a higher-density sensor in DX format, it will be in a Nikon first. Nikon simply has too much marketshare for Pentax to get a sensor Nikon isn't already shipping, unless Nikon passes it over for some reason. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system?
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu PM 02:12:40 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? They moved the release button to lower on the body, and removed the alignment dit from the lenses (this was done on the aperture ring free lenses). Prior to this, if you put one thumb on the lens release button, and the other thumb on the did, all you had to do was line up your thumbs to mount the lens. It was possible to mount a lens without looking at the camera, and was one of the features that brought me to Pentax. M-42 was better for mounting because there was no alignment of any sort required when mounting a lens. The downside of M-42 is that lens changes took much longer because of the number of turns required to remove the lens compared to the 1/4 turn required on the K mount. Right. My difficulty seems to be that, no matter how I grip things, my fingers on the lens and on the button or my fingers and the prism get in the way of each other as I turn the lens. I just can't find a placing that allows me a full sweep as the LX and Z1-p do. I suppose it's reducing the chance of dust on the sensor.. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Since my backup is now a D, any camera that offers better specs than the K10D will be on my shopping list. I'm not going to buy a second K10 for just that reason. I find even incremental improvements worthwhile. I intend to continue to invest in DA lenses, so I certainly don't want a larger sensor. Better is good, larger is bad. The K10 performs well enough for me, I'm not looking for an incremental improvement. I'd be interested in a 15mp body, but not at the expense of losing shake reduction, which I find very useful, or more noise than the K10 (which I find very good). Your point on the subject is well taken though. Were I in the market for a backup body, then I'd have the same thoughts as you. William Robb Any real improvements in the K1D will be speed-related IMHO, resolution will be the same as the K10D or slightly more. Note that if they go with the 12.4MP Sony CMOS sensor a high-speed crop mode is possible (like the D2X's 8MP, 2x crop mode). In other words, big buffer, faster AF, 1/250th sync, 1/8000 shutter, 5fps (possibly with HSC for more). More body rather than more sensor. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Lens mounts
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperiorto K mounting system? I use the index finger, which presses right up against the mount button on Nikon and Canon EF mounts. For this, the Nikon reverse-turn works a bit better than the Canons. I don't recall having any problems with the Nikon bayonet, though I never did move into the autofocus era with them. Setting the maximum aperture on the meter on the F2 was a bit of a slug, and having to set the aperture to 5.6 on the F wasn't the nicest, but this is very old tech, and was cutting edge for the day. I switched seamlessly to Pentax, the button placement never bothered me, the mount/dismount direction being backwards to what I was used to was a bit of a nuisance for a while, and I really liked being able to switch lenses while watching what I was supposed to be shooting. William Robb I'm an AI-era Nikon shooter, so the contortions necessary for meter indexing on pre-AI Nikon stuff is out of my real of experience (played with it, but never shot seriously with them). I can see the advantages of the old K mount setup, just never really noticed them when I was shooting with K mount kit (I'm only using M42 stuff for Pentax kit right now). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu PM 03:07:22 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens We're back to the leaked press releases. Mark will soon get e-mails from various list members begging for a copy:-). But there's really no need, if Mark has it, it will show up on d-preview within a weeki:-) Paul I think I'll buy some shares in Gentleman's Relish. -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
then I would suggest the party not engage first in this type of discord. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike wilson Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:36 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Reply at the bottom. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/02/15 Thu AM 01:19:10 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Screw You Dude. thats not what happened. All I did was mention that someone was confusing one function with another and they lost it and started into a foul mouthed personal attack tirade against me which I will always respond to in kind. I did not start this kind of thing, I never do. I only respond that when when provoked first and without cause. And conversations are conversations, they always stray away from the original topic. when anybody else does it, its a conversation, when I do it, it's called hijacking. Just another load of total bullshit as usual to divert the attention away from these stupid posts of theirs without any kind of valid on topic rebuttals to my contentions. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens On Feb 14, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Adam Maas wrote: People say they killfile others but they don't and react. Whatever one's frustration is, these languages do make anyone (at least me) feel sad. It's only about lens, and I just have to wonder why a little thing provokes others' mind so much. There does not seem that any pride or I-am-superior-to-you issue involves here. Just sad. It was not quite like this before. I'd killfiled him in Thunderbird, where I could see the messages everytime I went into the trash to empty it. Which led to the temptation to actually read and respond to the message. He's going to /dev/null on the mailserver shortly. I have the idiot killfiled and normally do not read his posts at all, or respond. However, I have my filter set up to flag me when a reference to any of my names/email addresses/etc are included. I like to know when a schmuck like this is using a quote from me or bad mouthing me behind my back. I agree it's sad: It's sad that this jerk can hijack any thread he wants to, call people names, and fill my mailbox with mindless, repetitive and foolish stupidity. It gets me angry too when he says things that are obviously false and wrong, and quotes me in them, even when my comment has had NOTHING to do with whatever idiotic agenda he happens to be pushing at any given moment. So I respond in kind on those occasions.. G I, for one, would prefer it if both of you showed a little dignity for yourselves and respect for the others on this list. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On 2/15/07 10:25 AM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody made an 8MP sensor in DX format, so they couldn't make one. Canon 30D? When I found they did not go 10mp for this camera, I almost jumped on it solely for that purpose, even though it was quickly eclipsed by Digi Rebel. I thought Canon finally showed their decency, so to speak :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
The later Rebels have a crappier finder than the first gen? A friend of mine has an XTi, and the viewfinder on it really sucks compared to my -DS. I also find the XTi's LCD to be much grainier and dimmer than the -DS. Yep, the XT/XTi finder is inferior to the plain DRebel's. The Rebel's is similar to the DL/K100D, just with a dimmer focus screen. I've found the -DL noticably inferior to the -DS. Brighter, but smaller and much more of the postage stamp at the end of a tunnel viewpoint. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
dont blame the messager for bad news. I do not start this stuff, these people just cannot stand being told when they are wrong by me and lose it. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:39 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens On 14/2/07, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: It was not quite like this before. Before jco? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Telecom Planet Hdr
- Original Message - From: Roman Subject: Telecom Planet Hdr http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=391167939[EMAIL PROTECTED]size=l Dead links, Roman. Both posts. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens dont blame the messager for bad news. I do not start this stuff, these people just cannot stand being told when they are wrong by me and lose it. Consider that these same people have no problems being told they are wrong by other people onlist, and that the flamewars that develop are almost always the threads you have decided to take over, and don't start until you are involved in said threads. The problem isn't with the message, it is with the messenger in this case. If you want to play the innocent, stop being a creep, and stop denigrating peoples intelligence with the name calling, and stop treating every thread like as if it is an arguement that must be won at all costs. This isn't a high school debating contest. You bring on what you get from people. Regards William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Well anybody know in what ways m42screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system?
Finally. This is advantage number one (reference number, not most important) of screwmounting system vs K mounting system. With the screwmounting system you dont need to align anything in a specific rotational position which means in low light or the dark its faster. And even though some K mount lenses have bumps to help you align them in low light or the dark, its still slower and more cumbersome because you have to find the body bump too, and based on latest posts here, they have eliminated this feature in order to remove restriction of where to put the release button, so you can no longer easily mount K mount lenses in low light or dark like you can screwmount lenses to this day. Start thinking about advantage #2 of screwmounting system vs k-mounting system. since I gave a hint on the last one, here's hint on this one : this one is opto-mechanical advantage. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? Buggered up the lens release? I find the lenses more difficult to take off the DSLR than the film cameras but haven't been able to, er, put my finger on why. What's your take on the matter? They moved the release button to lower on the body, and removed the alignment dit from the lenses (this was done on the aperture ring free lenses). Prior to this, if you put one thumb on the lens release button, and the other thumb on the did, all you had to do was line up your thumbs to mount the lens. It was possible to mount a lens without looking at the camera, and was one of the features that brought me to Pentax. M-42 was better for mounting because there was no alignment of any sort required when mounting a lens. The downside of M-42 is that lens changes took much longer because of the number of turns required to remove the lens compared to the 1/4 turn required on the K mount. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Nobody said it wasnt doable, I said its not as easy as wide open would be for focus/composition and that the entire SLR camara industry adopted autoaperture lenses over 40 years ago because of this. Secondly I pointed out that if you use fast lenses, you cannot practically stay within only 2 stops of wide open in daylight situations. The faster your lenses are, the more often you are going to need to stop down more than two stops. These two statements of his are contradictory and the whole contention is silly, Any camera system that disables/does not support the auto aperture function of a lens is nowhere near as user freindly to real photography as one that doesnt. This is far worse than the GB with KM lens kluge because at least that only affects metering and AE, lack of autoaperture affects/degrades everything you shoot all the time unless you have the lens set to wide open anyway which is seldom. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens From: Adam Maas Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:52:47 -0800 You don't agree, that's nice. It works for me. Note also (as per our last go 'round on the subject of open-aperture metering) that I'm rarely shooting more than 2 stops down from wide open. And I shoot with fast lenses. It seems to me that shooting a fast lens stopped down a couple of stops would give a similar viewfinder brightness as using a zoom lens wide open, but you would have the benefit of a generally higher contrast image to work with. I can't believe people can't figure this out and choose to argue about it instead, since we've been manually focusing zoom lenses in the f/4-f/5.6 maximum aperture range for a couple of decades. Obviously, it's doable. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Strings attached: Forest Eye Planet
Roman, I get a message that These pages are private and denying me access. Rick --- Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=387906580[EMAIL PROTECTED]size=l ^^^ Earth attached to the trees, or is it the other way down from here... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
I do not believe FF DSLR cannot be made with AS that uses most FF lenses already in existance. If there are some longer lenses which cannot give a usable AS on a FF DSLR body, those could be offered in the lens. Its not worth abandoning FF completely just for AS, and it certainly wouldnt be worth abandoning FF just because a few lenses would not support it if thats the case. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: My hope for the K1D is pretty much a D200 equivalent. Sealed, 5fps, aperture simulator, 20+ RAW buffer, wireless flash control (Maybe upgraded to multi-group) multi-segment metering with non-A lenses (easily achieved by adding max aperture to the SR focal length selection) and improved AF. Basicly a pro body without the massive size of the integrated grip bodies. I think such a body would make some serious waves. And pretty much cement Pentax's status as the third major SLR maker today. That's pretty much what is coming: 14-15 megapixel CMOS sensor. Lower crop factor then current APS-C but still small enough to use built-in anti-shake. No aperture simulator, but most of the other stuff you mentioned. I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
NONE of the things you mention below are removed/unavailable by having and using autoaperture functiong lenses. It would still be easier to focus accurately with autoaperture, especially in low light. Your argument on this matter makes no sense. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens William Robb wrote: From: Adam Maas Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:52:47 -0800 You don't agree, that's nice. It works for me. Note also (as per our last go 'round on the subject of open-aperture metering) that I'm rarely shooting more than 2 stops down from wide open. And I shoot with fast lenses. It seems to me that shooting a fast lens stopped down a couple of stops would give a similar viewfinder brightness as using a zoom lens wide open, but you would have the benefit of a generally higher contrast image to work with. I can't believe people can't figure this out and choose to argue about it instead, since we've been manually focusing zoom lenses in the f/4-f/5.6 maximum aperture range for a couple of decades. Obviously, it's doable. William Robb Yep. And I prefer to be as cloe to wide-open as is workable, I like to see the character of the lens which is so often hidden at small apertures, as well as shallow DoF. So I shoot fast glass wide open (And hit my head on max shutter speeds all the time). I actually get a lot of questions when people look at my exposure data, usually along the lines of 'why the hell did you shoot this at 1/3200 and f3.3?' or similar, or conversely 'how did you get the nice out of focus areas?'. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Telecom Planet Hdr
On 2/15/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Roman Subject: Telecom Planet Hdr http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=391167939[EMAIL PROTECTED]size=l Dead links, Roman. Both posts. Yer wastin' yer breath, Bill. It's not like he actually *reads* the list. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
DONT WANT A LARGER SENSOR? Are you crazy? Why would you not want a larger sensor if it dramatically improves DSLR picure qualtiy? See, you are proving my earlier point about being stranded with APS lenses. With a FF sensor you could probably sell all your DA lenses ( if you unloaded them quick enough ) and buy a bunch of FF lenses to replace them for the same cost and end up with HIGHER PQ then you did with DA/APS. I would definately want a larger sensor. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:59 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Since my backup is now a D, any camera that offers better specs than the K10D will be on my shopping list. I'm not going to buy a second K10 for just that reason. I find even incremental improvements worthwhile. I intend to continue to invest in DA lenses, so I certainly don't want a larger sensor. Better is good, larger is bad. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Telecom Planet Hdr
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RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Going much higher would still be worthwhile. I can see in some of my 6MP APS images with my best lenses that the image is still at full contrast even in the finest details and the image is suffering from pixelation problems due to low res (6Mp on APS is nowhere even close to enough for the best lenses, even with older good FF lenses ) . I think that 24 Mp would still be useful on APS and 50Mp would still be useful on FF. Of course only the very finest lenses would need this but if you have them, these res numbers would be useful. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:05 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens William Robb wrote: From: Adam Maas I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP or a different crop factor. 1.5x is a workable crop factor and going larger gives potential problems with SR and DA lens image circle. You could either go larger or go SR, we got SR. I'm expecting 12.4MP CMOS from Sony (D2x sensor) or the 4 channel 10MP Sony sensor from the D200. I don't expect to see a non-Sony sensor in a flagship release and both of these sensors are proven designs. Pity, I don't think that's enough head to interest me. Not enough to interest most people; going from 10 MP to 12 is pointless. That's why you won't see an upgrade with less than 14-15 megapixels. Pentax wisely skipped the 8MP in-between cameras and will do the same kind of thing again. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Bill Gates : Nobody will ever need more than 640K of RAM. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
No way Jose. I know that I did not engage in any name calling to start this latest barrage if vulgarities. I said someone was confusing autoaperture with autoexposure based on thier post, and THEY couldnt handle it and lost it. I am like a harrassed celebrity you mentioned earlier, anytime somebody does not like what I have posted, they think is OK to just ignore the issues of the my posts and switch to a barrage of crude personal insults just because I am the JCO guy on the list. I wont stand for it and never will. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:59 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens dont blame the messager for bad news. I do not start this stuff, these people just cannot stand being told when they are wrong by me and lose it. Consider that these same people have no problems being told they are wrong by other people onlist, and that the flamewars that develop are almost always the threads you have decided to take over, and don't start until you are involved in said threads. The problem isn't with the message, it is with the messenger in this case. If you want to play the innocent, stop being a creep, and stop denigrating peoples intelligence with the name calling, and stop treating every thread like as if it is an arguement that must be won at all costs. This isn't a high school debating contest. You bring on what you get from people. Regards William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Using the DS with A Lenses
On Feb 15, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Not quite true. There are still contacts telling body about lens' aperture range and enabling matrix metering and P-TTL + wireless flash. On 15.02.2007, at 01:33 , Cory Papenfuss wrote: Correct... OR an A lens off the 'A' position. It effectively becomes a 'K/M' lens. There are, but I don't think the body uses the info when off 'A'. I'm pretty sure that the manual for my -DS says that, and my experience has been the same. That's my experience too. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/15/07 10:25 AM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody made an 8MP sensor in DX format, so they couldn't make one. Canon 30D? When I found they did not go 10mp for this camera, I almost jumped on it solely for that purpose, even though it was quickly eclipsed by Digi Rebel. I thought Canon finally showed their decency, so to speak :-). Ken The Canon's aren't DX format, they're slightly smaller at 1.6x crop. And the sensors they use are proprietary and not available to 3rd parties. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Hillcrest
Thanks to Eric, Bruce, Paul, Adam, Rick, Marnie, Ken, Bill, and Godfrey for commenting. I prefer the picture exactly as is. :-) Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Hillcrest Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:06:16 -0500 Very nice. Good composition execution. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Hillcrest Sorry to bombard... I going to start calling it PMOTN (Picture More Often Than Not). http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5597132 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On 2/15/07 11:45 AM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon's aren't DX format, they're slightly smaller at 1.6x crop. And the sensors they use are proprietary and not available to 3rd parties. Ah, I thought you were generally referring to an APS-C size sensor when you said DX which is really a Nikon's term. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/15/07 11:45 AM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon's aren't DX format, they're slightly smaller at 1.6x crop. And the sensors they use are proprietary and not available to 3rd parties. Ah, I thought you were generally referring to an APS-C size sensor when you said DX which is really a Nikon's term. Ken Nikon originated the 1.5x format in cooperation with Kodak, so I use their term for the 1.5x format. It's more accurate than APS-C, which isn't even the same size as the 1.5x or 1.6x sensors. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
Scott Loveless wrote: On 2/15/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) OK, smarty pants, I'll bite. Any idea of the price point? D200ish? More? Sony CMOS? Maybe a Samsung CMOS? Sorry. All I know is: 14-15 MP CMOS Fall 2007 What's more, I don't know if it's a Pentax-made sensor (they're known to have been working on one) or someone else's. And I don't know if fall 2007 is the announcement date or planned introduction date (and in either case it is subject to change, as is always the case with dates). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Telecom Planet Hdr
William Robb wrote: Dead links, Roman. I think that should probably go into the quotes list. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
On 15/2/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Adam Maas wrote: I doubt we'll see more than ~12MP You are absolutely mistaken :) Do I need to set the table yet for my hat? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Comparing Photos
I found the recent comments on the the three PESO's I posted quite interesting. I appreciate the feedback and naturally don't expect everyone's taste to be the same. I'm happy that they were generally well received. I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Because, aside from being landscapes that contained trees and an element of fog, they were quite different from one another in composition, lighting and especially feeling. Neccessarily so because I had what nature presented me, and deliberately so because I think/hope I saw the potential in each of the circumstances and decided to work on making the image, hopefully conveying the feeling that I had, to the viewer. To me, judging one against the other is like comparing a Caribbean beach scene, to a northen California Big Sur coastal shot, to an Alaskan glacial fjord. It's difficult to compare three such photos, because aside from being water-related, they will have a totally different feeling to them. Here's my unsolicited, humble, hopefully not subjectively blind, thoughts on my own photographs: Inversion - Strong dramatic lighting, monotone, high contrast. Fog, tree silohouettes and tree shadows provide the interest in the shot. Based on responses I would describe it as 'Exciting'. Common Ground - Low light levels, low contrast, gray scale. Trees of differing shapes almost lost in the fog, create a soft two dimensional, somewhat old feeling. 'Moody'. Hillcrest - Medium lighting, soft/cool pastel-like colors and tones. Foreground rolling grassy mounds, trees up close and more receding in to the distance and fog, providing some perspective. It feels a little ethereal to me and reminds me a bit of the grounds around Camelot as depicted in motion pictures. I find it to be 'Soothing'. - So what am I blathering on and on about? Hmmm... :-) I guess what I'm saying is that, personal taste aside, each photo is very different from the other, and was designed as such to present a different feeling to the viewer. Side-by-side: http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=341034 Again thanks for commenting. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
On 15/2/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. With the Canon, you hold the camera in your left hand, index or middle finger on that hand hits the lens release button, and the right hand removes the lens. I remember finding it 'alien' when I first got a Darkside camera. A few years down the line, and I find it more intuitive. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Common Ground
Thanks Boris. I struggled for a name. In the end I chose the name because I felt the two-dimensional trees present a single common face to the viewer and because beneath the surface they are growing in 'common ground', likely roots interwined. Goofy? Possibly/Probably. :-) Tom C. From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO - Common Ground Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:30:55 +0200 Tom, it is a very nice picture, but could you please explain why you chose these two words for the title? Thanks. Tom C wrote: Well, perfect weather today at home, but the inversion had the fog suppressed even lower than yesterday. Driving into town I knew I'd be very late for work. Driving along the highway conditions were great except for the background human clutter. I took a detour to a country club golf course and walked on the grounds. This the first of hopefully many that are useable from this morning. Curves adjusted, small crop, conversion to gray scale. I have a hard time picking between the slightly color tinged color version and the gray scale version presented here. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5592477size=lg It was one of those days that produced a photographer's high. I could have stayed as long as the conditions lasted... work is always there. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO - In the Creek
Yes they were. We were in a rollover accident 50 miles east of Denver on black ice in late 2002. Three humans buckled in, two dogs in kennels. No one hurt physically (PTSD yes). Mitsubishi Montero totalled, top caved in several inches, no glass left in the vehicle. As you say, a few feet one away or another, 10 mph faster, and things could have been totally different. It gives one some perspective with regard to what's really important. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: GESO - In the Creek Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:30:19 -0600 Tom, Always a good idea to have the camera handy. Lucky the occupants had only minor injuries. Deerhunting in Wisconsin is the Week of Thanksgiving. Friends went up north and returned with some black ice on the roads. They flipped the passenger car and landed in a farm field. Everybody was buckled in and three guys got out of the car without a scratch. The driver died. His part of the roof landed on a rock that crushed his head. Your guys were lucky... Regards, Bob S. On 2/14/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not what you think. My family and I were on the way to town Saturday morning. A section of state highway, at the bottom of a steep hill and on a curve, is late to get sunshine and had a thin glazing of ice on it. As we approached from the downhill side we saw an SUV rolled in the creek. We were second on the scene. The two guys got out and were helped up the bank by the gentleman first to get there. They were pretty banged up and bleeding from mostly small cuts and abrasions. My wife attempted to clean them up a little and stop the bleeding from some larger gashes on one of the fellows arms. They took off the wet pants and I had them get in the tailgate section of our vehicle under a blanket, turned the heater on full blast and shut them in until the emergency workers arrived. The major danger they faced was hypothermia and shock as it was about 20F and they were soaked and shivering. Hopefully they are OK now, but somebody gets a new vehicle. http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=340946 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comparing Photos
I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Probably wouldn't have happened if they were posted many days apart. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Comparing Photos I found the recent comments on the the three PESO's I posted quite interesting. I appreciate the feedback and naturally don't expect everyone's taste to be the same. I'm happy that they were generally well received. I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Because, aside from being landscapes that contained trees and an element of fog, they were quite different from one another in composition, lighting and especially feeling. Neccessarily so because I had what nature presented me, and deliberately so because I think/hope I saw the potential in each of the circumstances and decided to work on making the image, hopefully conveying the feeling that I had, to the viewer. To me, judging one against the other is like comparing a Caribbean beach scene, to a northen California Big Sur coastal shot, to an Alaskan glacial fjord. It's difficult to compare three such photos, because aside from being water-related, they will have a totally different feeling to them. Here's my unsolicited, humble, hopefully not subjectively blind, thoughts on my own photographs: Inversion - Strong dramatic lighting, monotone, high contrast. Fog, tree silohouettes and tree shadows provide the interest in the shot. Based on responses I would describe it as 'Exciting'. Common Ground - Low light levels, low contrast, gray scale. Trees of differing shapes almost lost in the fog, create a soft two dimensional, somewhat old feeling. 'Moody'. Hillcrest - Medium lighting, soft/cool pastel-like colors and tones. Foreground rolling grassy mounds, trees up close and more receding in to the distance and fog, providing some perspective. It feels a little ethereal to me and reminds me a bit of the grounds around Camelot as depicted in motion pictures. I find it to be 'Soothing'. - So what am I blathering on and on about? Hmmm... :-) I guess what I'm saying is that, personal taste aside, each photo is very different from the other, and was designed as such to present a different feeling to the viewer. Side-by-side: http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=341034 Again thanks for commenting. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what ways m42 screwmounting systemissuperior to K mounting system?
Cotty wrote: On 15/2/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: The release is badly located. With the more typical location on the other side of the mount(like Nikon and Canon EF) you can, with a little practice, operate the release with the same hand that grips the lens as you remove it. Makes for really quick lens swaps. The release location is my one beef with the K mount design from an ergonomics standpoint. With the Canon, you hold the camera in your left hand, index or middle finger on that hand hits the lens release button, and the right hand removes the lens. I remember finding it 'alien' when I first got a Darkside camera. A few years down the line, and I find it more intuitive. With a Nikon you hold the lens with your right, and your right index finger will brush up against the release, a little pressure and you can press the release and rotate the lens with the same hand. Some Canons can do this, some block the release from the front, so you have to do it as Cotty describes. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comparing Photos
I was thinking that as well. :-) Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Comparing Photos Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:42:14 -0500 I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Probably wouldn't have happened if they were posted many days apart. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Pentax K 28mm f2.0 Lens No way Jose. I know that I did not engage in any name calling to start this latest barrage if vulgarities. I said someone was confusing autoaperture with autoexposure based on thier post, and THEY couldnt handle it and lost it. At this point, no one has patience with you anymore, everyone knows exactly where a thread you get involved in is going to go, and no one is tolerating you any more. You have been a pox on this list for almost as long as I have been reading it. I am like a harrassed celebrity you mentioned earlier, anytime somebody does not like what I have posted, they think is OK to just ignore the issues of the my posts and switch to a barrage of crude personal insults just because I am the JCO guy on the list. I wont stand for it and never will. Now you liken yourself to a celebrity? Kind of like how Anna Nicole Smith was a celebrity? I remember Mafud likening himself to Hemingway one time. Like anyone believed that too. You are also the guy who ignores facts put forward by other people, you are the person who deliberately and willfully misinterprests what people say, you are the person who doesn't bother to check URLs when presented to you. I note you just called Paul Stenquist crazy, intimating that he is somehow stupid. John, you don't get it, and you willfully want to stay ignorant. God bless you, and go away, I'm out of patience with you as well. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comparing Photos
Kenneth Waller wrote: I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Probably wouldn't have happened if they were posted many days apart. Kenneth Waller I was one who compared the first to the second (never saw the third until now, tom) - and I think Ken is right. But I have to confess to a habit of comparing everyone's photos to each other that are done by the same photograher - seems normal to me. I like the 1st of those three the best, the middle I don't like much, the third is nice - the geometry of it particularly, but makes me want to clean my glasses, too. ... which may partly be a function of my eyesight having a problem with low contrast - that is, the low contrast shots may not really be as low contrast as I am seeing them. just a couple of cents ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Telecom Planet Hdr
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Telecom Planet Hdr Yer wastin' yer breath, Bill. It's not like he actually *reads* the list. He does, actually. I've recieved a few private messages from Roman in response to onlist comments I have made about his pictures. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well anybody know in what waysm42screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system?
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Well anybody know in what waysm42screwmountingsystemissuperior to K mounting system? Finally. This is advantage number one (reference number, not most important) of screwmounting system vs K mounting system. With the screwmounting system you dont need to align anything in a specific rotational position which means in low light or the dark its faster. And even though some K mount lenses have bumps to help you align them in low light or the dark, its still slower and more cumbersome because you have to find the body bump too, and based on latest posts here, they have eliminated this feature in order to remove restriction of where to put the release button, so you can no longer easily mount K mount lenses in low light or dark like you can screwmount lenses to this day. I never had a problem finding the lens release button or the dit on the body when changing lenses with the original mount configuration. My own experience is that the old K-mount is a faster lens change than the thread mount in any condition, but it was something that I trained myself into because I felt it was a feature that was very useful. It annoys me that Pentax chose to move the lens release and eliminate the lens dit. Now, I have to look at what I am doing when changing lenses. Someone at Pentax forgot about why they did things the way they did, or else was in so much of a hurry to change things that they forgot about ergonomics. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GESO - In the Creek
No one hurt physically Glad to hear. Most fatalities in rollovers are due to ejection. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GESO - In the Creek Yes they were. We were in a rollover accident 50 miles east of Denver on black ice in late 2002. Three humans buckled in, two dogs in kennels. No one hurt physically (PTSD yes). Mitsubishi Montero totalled, top caved in several inches, no glass left in the vehicle. As you say, a few feet one away or another, 10 mph faster, and things could have been totally different. It gives one some perspective with regard to what's really important. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: GESO - In the Creek Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:30:19 -0600 Tom, Always a good idea to have the camera handy. Lucky the occupants had only minor injuries. Deerhunting in Wisconsin is the Week of Thanksgiving. Friends went up north and returned with some black ice on the roads. They flipped the passenger car and landed in a farm field. Everybody was buckled in and three guys got out of the car without a scratch. The driver died. His part of the roof landed on a rock that crushed his head. Your guys were lucky... Regards, Bob S. On 2/14/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not what you think. My family and I were on the way to town Saturday morning. A section of state highway, at the bottom of a steep hill and on a curve, is late to get sunshine and had a thin glazing of ice on it. As we approached from the downhill side we saw an SUV rolled in the creek. We were second on the scene. The two guys got out and were helped up the bank by the gentleman first to get there. They were pretty banged up and bleeding from mostly small cuts and abrasions. My wife attempted to clean them up a little and stop the bleeding from some larger gashes on one of the fellows arms. They took off the wet pants and I had them get in the tailgate section of our vehicle under a blanket, turned the heater on full blast and shut them in until the emergency workers arrived. The major danger they faced was hypothermia and shock as it was about 20F and they were soaked and shivering. Hopefully they are OK now, but somebody gets a new vehicle. http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=340946 Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comparing Photos
No problem Anne. Tom C. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Comparing Photos Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:58:49 -0500 Kenneth Waller wrote: I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Probably wouldn't have happened if they were posted many days apart. Kenneth Waller I was one who compared the first to the second (never saw the third until now, tom) - and I think Ken is right. But I have to confess to a habit of comparing everyone's photos to each other that are done by the same photograher - seems normal to me. I like the 1st of those three the best, the middle I don't like much, the third is nice - the geometry of it particularly, but makes me want to clean my glasses, too. ... which may partly be a function of my eyesight having a problem with low contrast - that is, the low contrast shots may not really be as low contrast as I am seeing them. just a couple of cents ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Comparing Photos
Ditto! To some extent it's like receiving the comment, not up to your usual standard. How high is my usual standard and compared to what? How high is up? IOW, you've shown me some that I liked better.(?) My feeling is that putting up images for review is done for that individual image and what it does for each individual viewer, not how it compares to one I may have offered previously. Maybe we should set up a 0 - 10 rating system. ;-/ Jack --- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the recent comments on the the three PESO's I posted quite interesting. I appreciate the feedback and naturally don't expect everyone's taste to be the same. I'm happy that they were generally well received. I did find it, looking for the right word - puzzling - that the three photos were often judged in comparison to one another. Because, aside from being landscapes that contained trees and an element of fog, they were quite different from one another in composition, lighting and especially feeling. Neccessarily so because I had what nature presented me, and deliberately so because I think/hope I saw the potential in each of the circumstances and decided to work on making the image, hopefully conveying the feeling that I had, to the viewer. To me, judging one against the other is like comparing a Caribbean beach scene, to a northen California Big Sur coastal shot, to an Alaskan glacial fjord. It's difficult to compare three such photos, because aside from being water-related, they will have a totally different feeling to them. Here's my unsolicited, humble, hopefully not subjectively blind, thoughts on my own photographs: Inversion - Strong dramatic lighting, monotone, high contrast. Fog, tree silohouettes and tree shadows provide the interest in the shot. Based on responses I would describe it as 'Exciting'. Common Ground - Low light levels, low contrast, gray scale. Trees of differing shapes almost lost in the fog, create a soft two dimensional, somewhat old feeling. 'Moody'. Hillcrest - Medium lighting, soft/cool pastel-like colors and tones. Foreground rolling grassy mounds, trees up close and more receding in to the distance and fog, providing some perspective. It feels a little ethereal to me and reminds me a bit of the grounds around Camelot as depicted in motion pictures. I find it to be 'Soothing'. - So what am I blathering on and on about? Hmmm... :-) I guess what I'm saying is that, personal taste aside, each photo is very different from the other, and was designed as such to present a different feeling to the viewer. Side-by-side: http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=341034 Again thanks for commenting. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
