RE: OT - more bike stuff

[Bob W]

Yup. I specialise in dating them.

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> 
> You've met a lot of banshees I would guess...
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> > Banshees are female. They don't have knackers.
> >
> > Sheldon Brown knows everything bicyclical:
> > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/brake-squeal.html
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RE: Light Tent / Box

[Don Sanderson]

Hi Feroze.
I too use the EZ-Cube with 3 cheap compact florescents in white reflectors.
These bulbs were $15.00 US for the 3 and last a very long time.
I set manual WB once from the white material of the cube and haven't had
to reset it in well over 2 years. I shoot strictly jpegs for eekBay stuff.
Daylight balanced bulbs are a bit more money but would allow you to shoot
with a preset, rather than manual, WB. Auto WB has never worked well for
me in this application.
The biggest advantage to this (vs flash) is being able to see, and
eliminate,
shadows before exposure. Since my items are all different colors, shapes and
sizes, this saves me a LOT of time.

The results are consistently very good, here's an example of a difficult
'subject':
http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Super-A.jpg
Shiny, all black cameras with just a bit of chrome are very hard to shoot.

Don

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> Feroze
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>
>
> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little
> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a
> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
> florescent or other light sources.
>
> I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the
> stuff together
>
> Your advice and past experiences is highly appreciated.
>
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Re: Pentax gallery rejection

[Kenneth Waller]

After the work in Photoshop, you need to use the "save as" function, not 
save.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pentax gallery rejection


>I submitted a couple of photos taken with a istD camera and they were
> not accepted because they could not read the Exif info. I cropped the
> photos in Photoshop and adjusted the color balance, etc. The reason
> was because they did not see the firmware..So I resubmitted them as
> scanned images and again they were rejected. In the info I did say
> they were shot with the istD camera and a 200mm F2.8 Pentax lens.
> I checked the exif info on the pictures and it does say that the istD
> was the camera used but for firmware it says Photoshop..Any
> Thoughts..Thanks Joe
>>www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn


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Re: PDML members' web pages

[max mcrae]

And mine too please Mark:

www.maxphotography.co.nz

Cheers,

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Re: GESO: Big Boat

[David Savage]

At 09:18 AM 3/05/2007, Digital Image Studio wrote:
>On 03/05/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I talk funny like this all the time, but I tend to turn it up a notch or 2
> > around non Aussies, so your all in real trouble. ;-)
>
>Pity I couldn't tag along this year and join in on the fun, no one
>else would know what the heck we were talking about however don't know
>if I'll ever make it at this rate ;-(

Bugger!

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Re: Another Minarets Shot

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In a message dated 4/19/2007 9:24:28 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/MinaretsRitterBannerMedium.jpg

The  large is the full size version if you want to pixel peep.  I don't  think
that the Bayer pattern de-mosiac algorithms do very well with really  fine
detail like pine needles.  A Foveon sensor or dedicated black and  white
camera would have probably done much  better...

http://www.westerickson.net/mark/misc/MinaretsRitterBannerLarge.jpg

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I  know I am getting to this late, but that is a great shot. 

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: GESO -- Coachella 2007

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In a message dated 5/1/2007 3:36:12 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This past weekend, I attended  the Coachella Arts & Music Festival in
Indio, CA.  It was a pretty  intense weekend in all - 100 degree
weather, 60 000 people, camping,  etc...  I had an amazing time.

The rules as stated on the Coachella  website stated that there were no
SLR cameras permitted.  In practice, I  found that the rule was not
really enforced, but I only had my Fujifilm  F30.

Anyway, check out the photos.  There are 24 in  all.

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/Coachella

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Nice  gallery. Looks like it's both fun and irritating. :-) I like the Telsa 
Coils.  Neat effect.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 21b, 21c - GDG

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In a message dated 5/2/2007 8:32:19 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On a totally different theme from  other stuff I've been working on,  
these two came up today and I  thought you'd enjoy seeing them. I  
think they might work well as a  diptych.

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21b.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21c.htm

Comments, critique,  rude noises all  appreciated.

best,
Godfrey



The first one  doesn't do much for me, and the wood looks soft right to the 
right of the coffee  cup.

But I rather like the second. Just wish the reflection in the spoon  showed 
something. :-) That's a nitpick, I find it rather nice -- compositionally  and 
texture-wise. What's a diptych?

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PESO 2007 - 21b, 21c - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On a totally different theme from other stuff I've been working on,  
these two came up today and I thought you'd enjoy seeing them. I  
think they might work well as a diptych.

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21b.htm
   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21c.htm

Comments, critique, rude noises all appreciated.

best,
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Re: Pentax gallery rejection

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I assume you mean pixels, not points.

G

On May 2, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Were they sized correctly? They have to be 600 points tall, not 600
> points on the long side. That, of course, is at 72 dpi.
> Paul
> On May 2, 2007, at 7:50 PM, J wrote:
>
>> I submitted a couple of photos taken with a istD camera and they were
>> not accepted because they could not read the Exif info. I cropped the
>> photos in Photoshop and adjusted the color balance, etc. The reason
>> was because they did not see the firmware..So I resubmitted them as
>> scanned images and again they were rejected. In the info I did say
>> they were shot with the istD camera and a 200mm F2.8 Pentax lens.
>> I checked the exif info on the pictures and it does say that the istD
>> was the camera used but for firmware it says Photoshop..Any
>> Thoughts..Thanks Joe


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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[P. J. Alling]

I like the way a little box that says "Help" drops down on the Frank 
picture if you hover the cursor over it.  (Yes I know, it's on the bike 
too, but that's not as much fun).

cbwaters wrote:
> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#149023426
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>
>   
>> This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang in the
>> garage...
>> So, here's a photo of the beauty and one of the beast.  You decide who's
>> who.
>>
>> CW
>>
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>> Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff
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>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
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>>> Subject: RE: OT - more bike stuff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 However, I am also considering changing to touring bars, or buying a
 new audax or touring bike.

 
>>> Wow, you guys and your bicycles. I should dig mine out from behind the
>>> junk
>>> I piled in front of it amd see if it still works.
>>> I think it's a Raleigh.
>>>
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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Stan Halpin]

Feroze - on the ezcube site they have their recommended fluorescent  
bulbs shown and compared to alternatives... If it were me I would  
rather have an always-on light so I can see the effects on the setup  
(rather than a flash or flashes which I can only evaluate by  
chimping.) People with more experience using flash probably don't  
need the same sort of feedback though...

stan

On May 2, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Feroze wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do you have a link to show me which lights your talking about?
>
> Thanks
>
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
>> On 03/05/07, Feroze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a  
>>> little
>>> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
>>> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
>>> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk).  
>>> Would a
>>> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light  
>>> source
>>> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
>>> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
>>> florescent or other light sources.
>>>
>>
>> No need to avoid fluorescent bulbs, they are actually quite good for
>> this type of work. I use a set of 5K compact fluorescent lamps in
>> white reflectors, the colour is excellent and repeatable. They are
>> very cool to work with temperature wise and since they are always on
>> provide greater flexibility for setting light and subject positions,
>> there are no surprises.
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Re: Pentax gallery rejection

[Paul Stenquist]

Were they sized correctly? They have to be 600 points tall, not 600  
points on the long side. That, of course, is at 72 dpi.
Paul
On May 2, 2007, at 7:50 PM, J wrote:

> I submitted a couple of photos taken with a istD camera and they were
> not accepted because they could not read the Exif info. I cropped the
> photos in Photoshop and adjusted the color balance, etc. The reason
> was because they did not see the firmware..So I resubmitted them as
> scanned images and again they were rejected. In the info I did say
> they were shot with the istD camera and a 200mm F2.8 Pentax lens.
> I checked the exif info on the pictures and it does say that the istD
> was the camera used but for firmware it says Photoshop..Any
> Thoughts..Thanks Joe
>> www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn
>
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[P. J. Alling]

You've met a lot of banshees I would guess...

Bob W wrote:
> Banshees are female. They don't have knackers.
>
> Sheldon Brown knows everything bicyclical:
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/brake-squeal.html
>
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>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Cotty
>> Sent: 02 May 2007 22:30
>> To: pentax list
>> Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff
>>
>> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I 
>> figure I can ask
>> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
>> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and 
>> stop?? It's
>> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
>> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at 
>> my wit's end.
>>
>> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?
>>
>> 1999 Univega RAM 930
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>> Cheers,
>>   Cotty
>>
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Re: Rebates on K10Ds--it figures!

[Rick Womer]

Today, UPS delivered my very own K10D...ordered Sunday
April 30!

The "Invoice Date" is May 1, though, so I might as
well send it the form anyway...

Rick

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Re: PESO 2007 - 21a - GDG

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In a message dated 5/2/2007 7:04:17 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The white bits on the tree's trunk are  bits of white fungus/ 
mushroom ... They're so stark white it looks like  oversharpening but  
isn't. They image nicely in the print, of course. I  could soften them  
a little bit with the blur tool in Photoshop but  then they'll look  
mushy...

Godfrey

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I  thought it might be something like that. Over sharpening details is not  
something I would expect you to do.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 21a - GDG

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In a message dated 5/2/2007 3:59:03 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Continuing on with the tree theme,  one from Sunday's rather short  
shooting session  ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21a.htm

As usual, it is worth  opening the larger version by clicking on the  
image  ...

Comments, critique and the odd overripe fruit always  appreciated.

enjoy,
Godfrey

===
I like those. Very  nice. And I like them better than the other two (I think 
it has been) that you  have shown recently. They do look over sharpened or 
something on my monitor. The  white stuff on the closest tree. However, maybe 
in 
a larger shot that looks more  natural. The whiteout in back, the fall off in 
detail, is just enough in the  right places to be quite pleasing (can't figure 
out how to say it better). Very  nice overall.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 21a - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 6:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21a.htm
>
> I like those. Very  nice. And I like them better than the other two  
> (I think
> it has been) that you  have shown recently. They do look over  
> sharpened or
> something on my monitor. The  white stuff on the closest tree.  
> However, maybe in
> a larger shot that looks more  natural. The whiteout in back, the  
> fall off in
> detail, is just enough in the  right places to be quite pleasing  
> (can't figure
> out how to say it better). Very  nice overall.

Thanks Marnie. :-)

Only Lightroom's default (about "25" on the scale, whatever that  
means) was done on the full resolution image. The only sharpening  
applied beyond that was what my resizing script usually does for  
downsampled web images.

The white bits on the tree's trunk are bits of white fungus/ 
mushroom ... They're so stark white it looks like oversharpening but  
isn't. They image nicely in the print, of course. I could soften them  
a little bit with the blur tool in Photoshop but then they'll look  
mushy...

Godfrey

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>>> [Paterson/Intefit E-Flash Panels]
>> a, 65 bucks each @ b&h...I haven't actually seen this before,  
>> plus
>> it runs on batteries. Which size cube do you have?
>
> Yes, those are the ones. $65 ... yes, they were $80@ with shipping, I
> bought one first and tested it... I fitted them with AA Lithium
> batteries, seem to get several hundred exposures apiece that way and
> are very portable.

BTW: Remember that these are all manual flash units that you trigger  
with their built-in slave. You cannot use a P-TTL flash to trigger  
them in P-TTL mode ... the pre-flash will fool the slave receivers.  
So if you have an AF-FGZ series flash, it has to be put into manual  
output mode (if that's possible) or you have to use a simple external  
flash as a trigger. That's one of the reasons I bought the Nikon  
SB-30. It's tiny, light, and has a built-in IR flash shield so it can  
be used purely as a trigger.

You have to set exposure 100% manually. Easy enough to do with a  
flash meter or using the histogram on review or digital preview.

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Feroze wrote:

>> [Paterson/Intefit E-Flash Panels]
> a, 65 bucks each @ b&h...I haven't actually seen this before, plus
> it runs on batteries. Which size cube do you have?

Yes, those are the ones. $65 ... yes, they were $80@ with shipping, I  
bought one first and tested it... I fitted them with AA Lithium  
batteries, seem to get several hundred exposures apiece that way and  
are very portable.

I bought a 20 inch cube. Although I've made things like this before,  
the EZCube for $90 saves time and effort, and packs down very small,  
is completely collapsible/portable with virtually no effort at all.  
It works very nicely. I can fit it, two E-Flash panels, the SB-30, a  
pair of small clamp-on stands and a flash meter into a very small  
tote bag along with the *ist DS body, remote release, A50 Macro and  
2x-S teleconverter. Add my small tripod, and I have "Tabletop-Studio- 
on-the-Go" in a bag, less than 12 pounds.

(I've used the K10D with this setup but I find that 10Mpixel is  
really overkill for the table top work I've done. Nobody's making  
13x19 presentation prints of stuff they have to sell on Ebay. ;-)

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Re: GESO: Big Boat

[Digital Image Studio]

On 03/05/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I talk funny like this all the time, but I tend to turn it up a notch or 2
> around non Aussies, so your all in real trouble. ;-)

Pity I couldn't tag along this year and join in on the fun, no one
else would know what the heck we were talking about however don't know
if I'll ever make it at this rate ;-(

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Re: PESO - Mt. Diablo

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In a message dated 5/2/2007 3:45:58 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Marnie

Again, this  shows the theme of your project well and the composition is  
excellent.

The only quibble is that the light seems a bit flat - any  possibility of 
re-doing it late or early in the day?  Some shadowing on the  hills would 
probably make it more pleasing  photographically.


Cheers

Brian

=
Agreed, but  there are other things to shoot too. Maybe I can bump up the 
contrast. 

I  am enough happy with this that I will use it. Basically, I am shooting a 
lot and  seeing how it will all fit and fallout in the end. There is a pic that 
goes  along with this one that I may or may not show on list. I am also 
planning a  collage or two. I may collage the two together along with other 
things. 
We shall  see. I suppose once done I will take photos of the completed and 
hung works and  later show them on list. Or something. So, yes, it's a good 
idea, but I feel  it's good enough and there is more to shoot and more to come. 
I 
have until  mid-June. Thanks.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This thread inspired me to get my fat butt off the desk chair and  
onto the bike for a couple miles ride and a cup of coffee at the cafe  
rather than waddling into the kitchen and brewing another pot. I  
thank y'all for that.

Gawd, the Bianchi is a pleasure to ride. ;-) It's too good for me.

Godfrey


On May 2, 2007, at 4:56 PM, cbwaters wrote:

> This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang  
> in the
> garage...


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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[eric]

cbwaters wrote:
> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#149023426
> - Original Message - 
> From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff
>
>
>   
>> This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang in the
>> garage...
>> So, here's a photo of the beauty and one of the beast.  You decide who's
>> who.
>>
>> CW
>> 

I have several thousand worth of bikes hanging in my apartment that I 
have touched in months to years (a Felt F90 roadie, KHS full suspension 
MTB, and a Bianchi hard
tail that was last serving duty as the commuter bike).  My excuse now is 
that the only times I have to ride are the same times that it's hot as 
h**l outside here in Phoenix.

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Feroze]

I've made a few card board box types in the past, but would you let me 
shoot 20 grand worth of bangles if I pitched up at your very snazzy shop 
with it though


Feroze :

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Feroze"
> Subject: Light Tent / Box
>
>
>   
>> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little
>> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
>> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
>> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a
>> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
>> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
>> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
>> florescent or other light sources.
>>
>> I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the
>> stuff together
>>
>> Your advice and past experiences is highly appreciated.
>> 
>
> Whoa!!, they want enough for it don't they?
> I'd of made one instead.
> Anyway, Florescent lights have come along way in the past while, and there 
> are "full spectrum" types that are very suitable to photography.
>
> Good compact flouresents here:
>
> http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/compact_fluorescent_32_ctg.htm?sc_cid=212&s_kwcid=full%20spectrum%20compact%20fluorescent|379095736&gclid=CJ2MzdPj8IsCFRagYAod2TYRRQ
>
>
> If you prefer tubes:
>
> http://genet.gelighting.com/LightProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=CONSUMERSPECPAGE&PRODUCTCODE=14419&BreadCrumbValues=Fluorescent_GE%20Sunshine%20Bulbs%20-%20bright,%20noonday%20lightFP&ModelSelectionFilter=FT0025:Fluorescent^FT0007:Sunshine
>
>
> William Robb
>
>
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Re: Light Tent / Box

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Feroze"
Subject: Light Tent / Box


> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little
> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a
> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
> florescent or other light sources.
>
> I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the
> stuff together
>
> Your advice and past experiences is highly appreciated.

Whoa!!, they want enough for it don't they?
I'd of made one instead.
Anyway, Florescent lights have come along way in the past while, and there 
are "full spectrum" types that are very suitable to photography.

Good compact flouresents here:

http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/compact_fluorescent_32_ctg.htm?sc_cid=212&s_kwcid=full%20spectrum%20compact%20fluorescent|379095736&gclid=CJ2MzdPj8IsCFRagYAod2TYRRQ


If you prefer tubes:

http://genet.gelighting.com/LightProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=CONSUMERSPECPAGE&PRODUCTCODE=14419&BreadCrumbValues=Fluorescent_GE%20Sunshine%20Bulbs%20-%20bright,%20noonday%20lightFP&ModelSelectionFilter=FT0025:Fluorescent^FT0007:Sunshine


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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Feroze]

a, 65 bucks each @ b&h...I haven't actually seen this before, plus 
it runs on batteries. Which size cube do you have?

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On May 2, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Feroze wrote:
>
>   
>> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a  
>> little
>> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
>> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
>> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk).  
>> Would a
>> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
>> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
>> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
>> florescent or other light sources.
>>
>> I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the
>> stuff together
>> 
>
> I use one of the EZCubes too, it's very handy. For lighting, I use a  
> pair of Paterson EFlash Panels and a Nikon SB-30 to use as a slave  
> trigger. Very even, very consistent light output, the Patersons are  
> about $80 each.
>
> Since I capture in RAW format, I do the color correction in post  
> processing. With the EZCube and flash units, the light is so  
> consistent that I can just apply a standard filter and don't even  
> have to worry about a calibration shot.
>
> Godfrey
>
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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Feroze]

If you get a chance to post some pics I greatly appreciate it...

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 03/05/07, Feroze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you have a link to show me which lights your talking about?
>> 
>
> Not at the moment, I built them myself, I used industrial light
> fittings with robust ES sockets and cable tied them to some long
> woodworking clamps, very inexpensive and very effective.
>
>   

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Re: GESO: Big Boat

[David Savage]

At 11:25 PM 2/05/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I realize you are just showing it to show it,  but actually I like pic #3
>where it is tied to the dock. Nice shot. And  interesting job.

Thanks Marnie. That was a conscience attempt to make a "creative" record shot.


>Marnie aka Doe ;-)  Are you going to talk funny  like that when I meet you?

LOL

I talk funny like this all the time, but I tend to turn it up a notch or 2 
around non Aussies, so your all in real trouble. ;-)

Cheers,

Dave (I just got back from OS and it's not long until I'm off again. Damn)


>
>G'day All,
>
>For those  of you who might be interested in what it is I do for a
>crust, or if you like  ships, you might find these 5 shots  interesting:
>
>
>
>All  taken with the K10D & DA 16-45
>
>I was part of the team that designed  & detailed her & I spent about 2
>years working on. I'm in China at  the moment to check out the vessel.
>
>It's not great photography, these are  purely record shots generated
>from the in camera RAW+JPEG and uploaded,. No  PP, so if they look off
>that can't be helped.
>
>I've got a few more days  here and I'm hoping to have the opportunity
>to take some more  "photographically" interesting  shots.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave


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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Digital Image Studio]

On 03/05/07, Feroze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you have a link to show me which lights your talking about?

Not at the moment, I built them myself, I used industrial light
fittings with robust ES sockets and cable tied them to some long
woodworking clamps, very inexpensive and very effective.

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Feroze wrote:

> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a  
> little
> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk).  
> Would a
> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
> florescent or other light sources.
>
> I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the
> stuff together

I use one of the EZCubes too, it's very handy. For lighting, I use a  
pair of Paterson EFlash Panels and a Nikon SB-30 to use as a slave  
trigger. Very even, very consistent light output, the Patersons are  
about $80 each.

Since I capture in RAW format, I do the color correction in post  
processing. With the EZCube and flash units, the light is so  
consistent that I can just apply a standard filter and don't even  
have to worry about a calibration shot.

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Feroze]

Hi,

Do you have a link to show me which lights your talking about?

Thanks

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 03/05/07, Feroze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little
>> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
>> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
>> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a
>> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
>> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
>> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
>> florescent or other light sources.
>> 
>
> No need to avoid fluorescent bulbs, they are actually quite good for
> this type of work. I use a set of 5K compact fluorescent lamps in
> white reflectors, the colour is excellent and repeatable. They are
> very cool to work with temperature wise and since they are always on
> provide greater flexibility for setting light and subject positions,
> there are no surprises.
>
>   

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FS

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

I've got some stuff to clean out.
Specifically, A50/1.7.
1 Lens that's just fine except one "A" spring inside is off, so the 
ring sticks.  Good glass.
2 Others for parts.  1 is disassembled, but glass subassembly is 
intact.  Good glass.

$50 US shipped for all.  PayPal preferred.
(another $5 to ship to CA.)


Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
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http://philosophyforchristians.blogspot.com

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Re: Light Tent / Box

[Digital Image Studio]

On 03/05/07, Feroze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little
> portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery,
> some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are
> just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a
> normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source
> for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really
> struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid
> florescent or other light sources.

No need to avoid fluorescent bulbs, they are actually quite good for
this type of work. I use a set of 5K compact fluorescent lamps in
white reflectors, the colour is excellent and repeatable. They are
very cool to work with temperature wise and since they are always on
provide greater flexibility for setting light and subject positions,
there are no surprises.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[cbwaters]

http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835#149023426
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From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff


> This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang in the
> garage...
> So, here's a photo of the beauty and one of the beast.  You decide who's
> who.
>
> CW
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff
>
>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Bob W"
>> Subject: RE: OT - more bike stuff
>>
>>
>>
>>> However, I am also considering changing to touring bars, or buying a
>>> new audax or touring bike.
>>>
>>
>> Wow, you guys and your bicycles. I should dig mine out from behind the
>> junk
>> I piled in front of it amd see if it still works.
>> I think it's a Raleigh.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
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Re: Pentax gallery rejection

[Mark Roberts]

Speaking of the Pentax Gallery... Anyone heard any murmurs of when it 
might actually be going live (out of beta)? It's been a while.



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Light Tent / Box

[Feroze]

I've bought this : http://www.ezcube.com/. I'm trying to build a little 
portable kit where I can go to the customer and shoot his jewellery, 
some of their insurance dose not apply off the premises and some are 
just to valuable to move around (I don't want to take the risk). Would a 
normal flash (I have one fgz360 so far) be suitable as a light source 
for this? Daylight bulbs are very hard to get here, and I'm really 
struggling to get a proper WB on my K10D so I'm trying to avoid 
florescent or other light sources.

I can't test it as its still in transit, tought I get the rest of the 
stuff together

Your advice and past experiences is highly appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Digital Image Studio]

On 03/05/07, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hairless?
> Mostly kiding with words. But my pony tail is geting thinner.

Welcome to the club.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Doug Brewer]

On May 2, 2007, at 7:56 PM, cbwaters wrote:

> This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang  
> in the
> garage...
> So, here's a photo of the beauty and one of the beast.  You decide  
> who's
> who.
>
> CW

I think is the beast andis the beauty,  
but that's just my opinion.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 2/5/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Do NOT buy a bicycle from Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Big Lots, or any 
>>other big box discount type store, unless you don't plan on riding more 
>>than 5-10 miles total, in the lifetime of the bicycle.  It _will_ 
break, 
>>and you _will_ spend more than it would have cost you to get a quality 
>>bicycle in the first place.
>
>The above message was supplied by the Stating The Bleeding Obvious 
Party...

Bumper sticker I saw once:
"Mal-Wart: Your source for cheap plastic crap"


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Re: Pentax gallery rejection

[Bruce Dayton]

If you submit them as scanned photos, there cannot be any exif data in
them.  Do Save for Web - that strips it out.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007, 4:50:42 PM, you wrote:

J> I submitted a couple of photos taken with a istD camera and they were
J> not accepted because they could not read the Exif info. I cropped the
J> photos in Photoshop and adjusted the color balance, etc. The reason
J> was because they did not see the firmware..So I resubmitted them as
J> scanned images and again they were rejected. In the info I did say 
J> they were shot with the istD camera and a 200mm F2.8 Pentax lens.
J> I checked the exif info on the pictures and it does say that the istD
J> was the camera used but for firmware it says Photoshop..Any 
J> Thoughts..Thanks Joe
>>www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn







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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[cbwaters]

This thread makes me feel fat and bad for letting my bike just hang in the 
garage...
So, here's a photo of the beauty and one of the beast.  You decide who's 
who.

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: OT - more bike stuff


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bob W"
> Subject: RE: OT - more bike stuff
>
>
>
>> However, I am also considering changing to touring bars, or buying a
>> new audax or touring bike.
>>
>
> Wow, you guys and your bicycles. I should dig mine out from behind the 
> junk
> I piled in front of it amd see if it still works.
> I think it's a Raleigh.
>
> William Robb
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Pentax gallery rejection

[J]

I submitted a couple of photos taken with a istD camera and they were 
not accepted because they could not read the Exif info. I cropped the 
photos in Photoshop and adjusted the color balance, etc. The reason 
was because they did not see the firmware..So I resubmitted them as 
scanned images and again they were rejected. In the info I did say 
they were shot with the istD camera and a 200mm F2.8 Pentax lens.
I checked the exif info on the pictures and it does say that the istD 
was the camera used but for firmware it says Photoshop..Any 
Thoughts..Thanks Joe
>www.photo.net/photos/pjjdxn




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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Tim Øsleby]

Hairless?
Mostly kiding with words. But my pony tail is geting thinner.

Tim Typo
Mostly

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Hi Tim

Nice shot - it certainly gives the impression of a bird struggling against 
nature.  It's just a pity that the bird's head isn't more clearly defined 
but I guess it wasn't too concerned about striking a pose for the 
photographer


PS - why "hairless"?


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia



Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> About a month ago we had pretty heavy weather (Now it is brilliant
> sunshine
> and 16degrees C)
>
> The Northern Lapwing had just arrived, here then. It had trouble
> finding
> food in it's regular spots, so it had to search at the beach. I
> could'nt
> help feeling sorry for the little strugler.
>
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my
> good site)
> K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded, but
> I guess
> about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
> I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact
> of the
> heavy weather.
>
> What do you think?
>
> There is a thumb with another from the same shoot below. Not as
> intersting a
> the first IMO, but I keept it, more as a documentation.
>
> Tim Typo
> Mostly Hairless
>
> Note my temporary signature.
>

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Re: Help, Lost K10D CD

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Amirkambiz Hamedanizadeh"
Subject: RE: Help, Lost K10D CD


> Dear mailing list colleagues,
> Thank you for all your support, especially to Bill.
>
> I am honored that I am part of this mailing list and now I am pride of my
> K10D twice as before, as not only I have a good camera, but also provide 
> me
> an opportunity to be part of this community.
>

'Twas a pleasure to help out.

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Re: World Pinhole Photography Day on April 29th

[Mark Cassino]

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:
> Very nice work!
> 
> Maris
> 
Thanks, Maris!  The pinhole effect isn't for everyone, but they were fun 
to shoot (except for all the dead trees...)

- MCC

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"
Subject: RE: OT - more bike stuff



> However, I am also considering changing to touring bars, or buying a
> new audax or touring bike.
>

Wow, you guys and your bicycles. I should dig mine out from behind the junk 
I piled in front of it amd see if it still works.
I think it's a Raleigh.

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PESO 2007 - 21a - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Continuing on with the tree theme, one from Sunday's rather short  
shooting session ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/21a.htm

As usual, it is worth opening the larger version by clicking on the  
image ...

Comments, critique and the odd overripe fruit always appreciated.

enjoy,
Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Oak, 2nd Crop

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/2/2007 3:39:06 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I like the horizontal crop  better although I might have come in ever 
tighter - something like this (hope  you don't mind me fiddling around with the 
image - I'll only leave it here for a  day or  two):

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/gridtree.jpg

I  think this gives the tree a bit more prominence but it's still obvious 
what the  foreground structure  is.


Cheers

Brian

===
Yes, something like  that. Very close to the crop on the first one but more 
horizontal.

Right  now I am busy air brushing, er, cloning stuff out. To give myself 
wiggle room.  When I have a version I like I will reshare.

I think having more curve of  the hill does help it balance better. Thanks, 
Brian.

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Brian Walters]

Hi Tim

Nice shot - it certainly gives the impression of a bird struggling against 
nature.  It's just a pity that the bird's head isn't more clearly defined but I 
guess it wasn't too concerned about striking a pose for the photographer


PS - why "hairless"?


Cheers

Brian

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Western Sydney Australia



Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> About a month ago we had pretty heavy weather (Now it is brilliant
> sunshine 
> and 16degrees C)
> 
> The Northern Lapwing had just arrived, here then. It had trouble
> finding 
> food in it's regular spots, so it had to search at the beach. I
> could'nt 
> help feeling sorry for the little strugler.
> 
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my
> good site)
> K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded, but
> I guess 
> about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
> I was light on the contrast here. The idea was to keep the impact
> of the 
> heavy weather.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> There is a thumb with another from the same shoot below. Not as
> intersting a 
> the first IMO, but I keept it, more as a documentation.
> 
> Tim Typo
> Mostly Hairless
> 
> Note my temporary signature.
>

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Re: PESO - Mt. Diablo

[Brian Walters]

Hi Marnie

Again, this shows the theme of your project well and the composition is 
excellent.

The only quibble is that the light seems a bit flat - any possibility of 
re-doing it late or early in the day?  Some shadowing on the hills would 
probably make it more pleasing photographically.


Cheers

Brian

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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Another picture, same series...
> 
> 
> The second peak (left) is Mt.  Diablo. Or rather one of Mt.
> Diablo's peaks. 
> In addition to being an interesting  mountain, Mt. Diablo is also a
> California 
> State Park.
> 
> On the right you  can see a gouged area in the hill that was caused
> by coal 
> strip mining. Once  upon a time there was coal mining in the Mt.
> Diablo area, 
> until about the 1920's  when sand mining took over. It is now
> museum material. 
> That area is directly  behind Black Diamond Mines. It probably was
> a part of 
> Black Diamond Mines, or  else it was a completely different mine.
> Mt. Diablo 
> State Park acquired the  remains of some coal mines in the 1970's.
> So I suspect 
> that hillside is also the  boundary of Mt. Diablo State Park.
>  
> 
> I think this is a pleasing little pastoral picture of Mt. Diablo. 
> ;-)
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/diablo.htm
> 
> Comments  welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka  Doe
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Re: PESO - High Wires

[Brian Walters]

G'day again Marnie

I really like this one - very simple but effective.


Cheers

Brian

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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> 
> Three PESOs in one day, sorry. But it is  raining today, it may
> rain again 
> tomorrow, and class is tomorrow and I am  figuring out which pics
> to show the 
> teacher for my progress to date. 
> 
> I  sort of like this and could work it into my series in
> juxtaposition with 
> another  shot. I can also reshoot at the high voltage area. When I
> was there it 
> was the  wrong time of day and I got a lot of lens flare in some
> directions. 
> But I sort  of like this one,  anyway.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wires.htm
> 
> I am  curious if it has enough interest or not.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie  aka Doe :-)
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Re: PESO - Oak, 2nd Crop

[Brian Walters]

Yes, I like the horizontal crop better although I might have come in ever 
tighter - something like this (hope you don't mind me fiddling around with the 
image - I'll only leave it here for a day or two):

http://www.members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/gridtree.jpg

I think this gives the tree a bit more prominence but it's still obvious what 
the foreground structure is.


Cheers

Brian

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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> I thought Brian had a point, so I tried a  horizontal crop on the
> Oak. As you 
> can see I was trying to crop out the big  poles on the left.
> 
> But I suppose I could clone them out. And I still want  to clone
> the top of 
> the telephone pole in the middle right out. I might keep it  color,
> but I 
> thought the B&W was effective.
> 
> I've done nothing to this  yet, really. Like I haven't bumped up
> saturation 
> and sharpness,  etc.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/oak2.htm
> 
> Just  curious if any of you prefer the second crop, before I bother
> to work 
> on it  more.
> 
> TIA, Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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RE: OT - more bike stuff

[Bob W]

> >   
> The hybrid/comfort bike certainly makes sense, but I'm 
> planning on doing 
> some light touring once the pounds are off.  Nothing too 
> long, maybe 2 
> or 3 days round trip.  Trailering will strictly be a local endeavor;

> taking the kids to pre-school, grocery getting, etc.  I have 
> no plans to 
> lug a trailer out of town.
> 
> The drop bars are a necessity.  I can't see not being able to switch

> hand positions from time to time.  Touring on a single-speed sounds 
> nuts, though.  ;-)
> 

There now seem to be 2 types of hybrid: fitness and comfort. The
comfort ones look like crap, quite frankly. The fitness ones look a
bit like mine, which is a 1994 Marin, double-butted cro-moly steel
frame jobby - basically a touring bike with flat bars. I've done
multi-day touring on it without any problems, and I'll be doing a bit
more in a few weeks. 

I put some of these on earlier this year, though, to give a bit more
variety of hand position, and they're quite good:
http://ukbikestore.co.uk/acatalog/info_ERGON_MR2.html

However, I am also considering changing to touring bars, or buying a
new audax or touring bike.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Adam Maas]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> Doug Brewer wrote:
>> I can shave off 30lbs by getting rid of my mustache.
>>
>> Do I get a new bike?
>>   
> Of course.  Just rifle through your wife's purse until you come up with 
> the cash.  
>> Oh, and Adam? Low end roadie:
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3663046
>>   
> Ugh.  The last department store bike I bought was back in '98.  I ended up 
> giving it away a few years ago.  Feeling as if you're fighting with the bike 
> just to get it to go is frustrating at best.
> 
> It had loads of "Shimano" hardware all over it, the indexed shifters were 
> anything but, and the brakes required constant adjustment.  I rode very 
> little.
> 
> My recently acquired "Krystal Mark IV", a cheapie from the 80s, is loads 
> better, even with the clunky hardware.  So far I've invested about $85 in the 
> bike.  That includes purchase ($2), tune-up ($50), and lights ($30 something).
> 

The trick with Shimano is to buy named parts. If there's a name on it 
(Sora, Tiagra, Alivio, Acera-X, etc) it's got decent or better quality. 
The exceptions are 105 (base-level road racing kit) and Tourney (cheap 
junk). Shimano has dominated the bike market for 20 years by making 
really cheap crap (and I do mean crap), decent stuff, and really high 
end part which all have a level of compatibility between them (in a 
pinch you can slap the cheapest $20 Shimano derailleur on your $8000 
carbon dura-ace-kitted bike to get home. It will work, and even index 
correctly).

Older 'clunky' stuff of decent quality will work just fine until it 
wears out completely if maintained. There's nothing wrong with downtube 
friction shifters and 5 speed freewheels.

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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Eactivist]

I am sort of in agreement with Cotty. Sort of. I  find the background 
distracting too, while I like his glasses and expression.  But that stuff 
(bright/dark patches) to the right could go. And/or bring up the  shadow detail 
to show 
his clothing hanging in the van for more of an  environmental photo.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

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On 2/5/07, frank theriault,  discombobulated, unleashed:

>Glen's been a messenger in Toronto for  longer than most of us
>remember.  He started when he was 14, and I  know he'd already been on
>the road for several years when I started back  in '96.
>
>I rather like this "street portrait" of him (recognizing  that there
>are blown out highlights, but I don't have imaging software to  tone  it
>down):
>
>http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd
>
>Comments  always welcome

NICE shot Frank. He's got such a great face - can you not  crop him right
down to just face and some body? I find the background too  distracting,
and the horizontal framing disturbs me, and you know how I get  when I'm
disturbed.

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Re: PESO - High Wires

[Jack Davis]

Yes, that may work.

Jack
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 5/2/2007 11:08:02 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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> On 5/2/07,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Three PESOs  in one day, sorry. But it is  raining today, it may
> rain again
> >  tomorrow, and class is tomorrow and I am  figuring out which pics
> to show  
> the
> > teacher for my progress to date.
> >
> > I  sort of  like this and could work it into my series in
> juxtaposition with
> >  another  shot. I can also reshoot at the high voltage area. When I
> was  
> there it
> > was the  wrong time of day and I got a lot of lens flare  in some 
> directions.
> > But I sort  of like this one,   anyway.
> >
> >  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wires.htm
> >
> > I am   curious if it has enough interest or not.
> >
> 
> I like it a  lot!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> ==
> Odd, two votes for, one  against. Just goes to show you can never
> know.
> 
> Thanks, frank!
> 
> And  thanks, Jack. Jack, I think if it is juxtapositioned with some
> tree 
> branches it  might make a nice combo.
> 
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Re: Judging Photos

[graywolf]

Hell, when I was young we had to go visit someone who had somekind of 
instrument  Two sticks as I recall, we all had to go over to his tree.

Bruce Dayton wrote:
> I think this phenomenon is more with the younger set.  Where I live,
> most of the book stores have gone out of business - just Borders is
> left and an odd store here and there.  They all seem to sell more
> music, videos and gifts than they do books, though.
> 
> It is even in the technology.  When we were younger, you had to listen
> to music on either tape or vinyl records.  The means of skipping
> around between songs was clumsy at best.  So we mostly listened to the
> whole thing once started.  With the advent of CD players and now
> Ipods, it is very interesting to watch the young ones.  They switch
> between songs constantly and rarely listen to the whole song - just
> catching the 20-30 seconds that is really 'cool' to them.  Sound
> bites online and on cell phones, video clips online and on ipods, all
> encourage short 'bursts' of information.  Since this goes on pretty
> heavily, making your burst stand out is tricky.
> 
> Food for thought.
> 

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Re: PESO A recent panorama

[Christian]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I guess it's just AOL's built-in browser that  hoovers, 

yep.  I DO use AOL's mail service for many things but I NEVER, NEVER, 
EVER use the old clunky AOL client  ick.  We did introduce something 
  based on IE that was called the AOL browser or something.  It was 
pretty cool, kinda like Firefox meets Opera meets IE.  Tabbed browsing 
with previews, etc.  but the ol' AOL client?  HA!  POS!

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RE: Help, Lost K10D CD

[Amirkambiz Hamedanizadeh]

Dear mailing list colleagues,
Thank you for all your support, especially to Bill.

I am honored that I am part of this mailing list and now I am pride of my
K10D twice as before, as not only I have a good camera, but also provide me
an opportunity to be part of this community.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[graywolf]

A) replace them with something better. The $10 option
B) bend the caliper so the leading edge hits about 1/32 inch ahead of 
the trailing. The 2 penny option.
C) get some ear plugs...


Cotty wrote:
> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I figure I can ask
> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and stop?? It's
> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at my wit's end.
> 
> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?
> 
> 1999 Univega RAM 930
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[eric]

Cotty wrote:
> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I figure I can ask
> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and stop?? It's
> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at my wit's end.
>
> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?
>
> 1999 Univega RAM 930
>
>   
They're improperly adjusted.  They need a bit of toe-in, meaning the 
front of the pad contacts the rim just a bit before the rear does.  The 
easy way to do this is to loosen the pad up almost to the point of being 
floppy, then hold it up to the rim with a business card as a shim on the 
back 1/4 of the pad.  Tighten it down, and you should be good. 

Or visit your local shop...most will do a brake adjustment for less than 
$10. 

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Eric Featherstone]

On 02/05/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I figure I can ask
> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and stop?? It's
> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at my wit's end.
>
> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?

Perhaps you should stop storing your banshee's knackers between the
brake blocks and the rim. Your banshee will probably thank you too.

Or, are the brake blocks slightly toe-in? I think this can help sometimes.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/2/2007 2:41:50 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you.
I think the reason for  prefering the first is in three factors. First, the 
snowflake on his  backpart. Second that he is shaky walk. And third that he 
seem to be  shealding his head from the weather. (That's what I see)

I felt sorry for  them, and this was the picture with most sympathy factor. 
And that was what  I wanted to communicate.
But, I can live with you prefering the other  ;-)

Tim Typo
Mostly Harmless


Both are nice. And a  nice change from bikes. Well, stuff to do, like work 
and processing photos  and  dull stuff like that.

I am really glad to see the sig back  too.

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RE: OT - more bike stuff

[Bob W]

Banshees are female. They don't have knackers.

Sheldon Brown knows everything bicyclical:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/brake-squeal.html

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> Sent: 02 May 2007 22:30
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> 
> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I 
> figure I can ask
> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and 
> stop?? It's
> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at 
> my wit's end.
> 
> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?
> 
> 1999 Univega RAM 930
> 
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Scott Loveless]

Cotty wrote:
> Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I figure I can ask
> for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
> banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and stop?? It's
> driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
> things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at my wit's end.
>
> Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?
>
> 1999 Univega RAM 930
>
>   
Your pads are probably parallel to the rims.  Toe them in a bit, so that 
the front edge of the pad strikes the rim first.

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Re: Heron fish catch (URL correction)

[Tim Øsleby]

I know it is not that common. I know it is a combination of a bit of luck, 
and a lot of patiense. It was intended as a understated compliment. It's my 
odd Norwegian humour, I guess.

It has taken you two years? Ok, then I might be lucky next year, since I've 
been hunting them for one year so far.

Tim Typo
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> Hi Tim, thanks for looking and commenting!
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2007 20:20:11 +0200, Tim  sleby wrote:
>
>>I envy you. Your Herons seem to much better fishers than mine.
>
> Well, it is not THAT common overhere either :-)
> This was the first time in the two years I try to
> photograph Herons that I caught one in the act ...
>
> Did have a few shots from one catching a frog of some kind though.
>
>>Mine makes a lot of splash, and comes up with some seagrass. A 
>>unintelligent
>>behaviour for a fish eater ;-)
>
> Indeed :-)
>
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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Cotty]

On 2/5/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Glen's been a messenger in Toronto for longer than most of us
>remember.  He started when he was 14, and I know he'd already been on
>the road for several years when I started back in '96.
>
>I rather like this "street portrait" of him (recognizing that there
>are blown out highlights, but I don't have imaging software to tone it
>down):
>
>http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd
>
>Comments always welcome

NICE shot Frank. He's got such a great face - can you not crop him right
down to just face and some body? I find the background too distracting,
and the horizontal framing disturbs me, and you know how I get when I'm
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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Tim Øsleby]

Thank you.
I think the reason for prefering the first is in three factors. First, the 
snowflake on his backpart. Second that he is shaky walk. And third that he 
seem to be shealding his head from the weather. (That's what I see)

I felt sorry for them, and this was the picture with most sympathy factor. 
And that was what I wanted to communicate.
But, I can live with you prefering the other ;-)

Tim Typo
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> In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:34:58 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> About a month ago we had  pretty heavy weather (Now it is brilliant 
> sunshine
> and 16degrees  C)
>
> The Northern Lapwing had just arrived, here then. It had trouble  finding
> food in it's regular spots, so it had to search at the beach. I  could'nt
> help feeling sorry for the little  strugler.
>
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my  good 
> site)
> K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded,  but I 
> guess
> about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
> I was light on the contrast here.  The idea was to keep the impact of the
> heavy weather.
>
> What do you  think?
>
> There is a thumb with another from the same shoot below. Not as 
> intersting a
> the first IMO, but I keept it, more as a  documentation.
>
> Tim Typo
> Mostly Hairless
>
> 
> I like  the one where he is standing in water better (the one you like
> least), because  his head is up. The other would be fine except for that.
> Interesting looking  little guy.
>
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Cotty]

Okay, this is a bike thread, and it's labelled OT, so I figure I can ask
for some help here. How do I stop my break pads from sounding like
banshees with their knackers in a vice every time I try and stop?? It's
driving me nuts. I've tried changing pads, lubing the rim (quietens
things down for a short while, but not for long) and I'm at my wit's end.

Any suggestions? Maybe a particular make of brake pad?

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Cotty]

On 2/5/07, eric, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Do NOT buy a bicycle from Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Big Lots, or any 
>other big box discount type store, unless you don't plan on riding more 
>than 5-10 miles total, in the lifetime of the bicycle.  It _will_ break, 
>and you _will_ spend more than it would have cost you to get a quality 
>bicycle in the first place.

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Re: Heron fish catch (URL correction)

[Jan van Wijk]

Hi Tim, thanks for looking and commenting!

On Wed, 2 May 2007 20:20:11 +0200, Tim  sleby wrote:

>I envy you. Your Herons seem to much better fishers than mine.

Well, it is not THAT common overhere either :-)
This was the first time in the two years I try to 
photograph Herons that I caught one in the act ...

Did have a few shots from one catching a frog of some kind though.

>Mine makes a lot of splash, and comes up with some seagrass. A unintelligent 
>behaviour for a fish eater ;-)

Indeed :-)

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 1:19 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> The problem is that cycling is so very efficient. ...

I agree. I'm always amazed at how much distance I can cover with so  
little effort even as unfit as I am today.

> Hard to say if a roadbike or a hybrid would be better.  My personal
> preference would be a road bike;  the uncomfortable position is much
> more efficient, so one can ride farther and harder with less effort.
> One soon gets used to the "uncomfortable" position and skinny hard
> saddle.

I chose to outfit my bicycle as a hybrid to ease bending strains on  
my right hip, which I was informed about eighteen years ago would be  
due for a hip replacement in five years. Good estimate, eh?

Still have my ancient Cinelli Criterium if I ever get in shape enough  
to stand the seating position again... :-)

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Re: PESO A recent panorama

[Eactivist]

I guess it's just AOL's built-in browser that  hoovers, then. Anyway, I will 
Firefox in mind for future panoramas (just tried  it and it's much better).

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 1:41 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

>>http://www.gdgphoto.com/bsj-8/
>
> Thanks, Godfrey.  I did a little googling and found that the San  
> Jose is
> often converted with the Nexus gears.  Quite a few shops apparently do
> the conversions on spec.  Keeping in mind that touring is an eventual
> goal, I wonder how that gear set would work for me.

The guy who built mine picked what I have to say is just about  
perfect gearing. I'm neither a fit 25 year old racer boy nor do I  
intend to go on cross country rides with it, but for the day-to-day  
3-10 mile jog around the valley and that occasional 'cart the bike  
over to Santa Cruz and deal with the hills for 20-30 miles' kind of  
use, it works brilliantly with eight useful gear ratios.

I think it's beautiful too, and the pleasure of being able to just  
twist the gear control when you've forgotten to shift down properly  
to a traffic light stop is very much appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Bird in heavy weather

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:34:58 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
About a month ago we had  pretty heavy weather (Now it is brilliant sunshine 
and 16degrees  C)

The Northern Lapwing had just arrived, here then. It had trouble  finding 
food in it's regular spots, so it had to search at the beach. I  could'nt 
help feeling sorry for the little  strugler.

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=307594 (my  good site)
K10D K-500/4,5 @ Manfrotto gimbal mount. Aperture not recorded,  but I guess 
about f:8, 1/250s, 800 ISO.
I was light on the contrast here.  The idea was to keep the impact of the 
heavy weather.

What do you  think?

There is a thumb with another from the same shoot below. Not as  intersting a 
the first IMO, but I keept it, more as a  documentation.

Tim Typo
Mostly Hairless


I like  the one where he is standing in water better (the one you like 
least), because  his head is up. The other would be fine except for that. 
Interesting looking  little guy.

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Re: PESO - High Wires

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 5/2/2007 11:08:02 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 5/2/07,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Three PESOs  in one day, sorry. But it is  raining today, it may rain again
>  tomorrow, and class is tomorrow and I am  figuring out which pics to show  
the
> teacher for my progress to date.
>
> I  sort of  like this and could work it into my series in juxtaposition with
>  another  shot. I can also reshoot at the high voltage area. When I was  
there it
> was the  wrong time of day and I got a lot of lens flare  in some 
directions.
> But I sort  of like this one,   anyway.
>
>  http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wires.htm
>
> I am   curious if it has enough interest or not.
>

I like it a  lot!

cheers,
frank

==
Odd, two votes for, one  against. Just goes to show you can never know.

Thanks, frank!

And  thanks, Jack. Jack, I think if it is juxtapositioned with some tree 
branches it  might make a nice combo.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Scott Loveless]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> I can shave off 30lbs by getting rid of my mustache.
>
> Do I get a new bike?
>   
Of course.  Just rifle through your wife's purse until you come up with 
the cash.  
> Oh, and Adam? Low end roadie:
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3663046
>   
Ugh.  The last department store bike I bought was back in '98.  I ended up 
giving it away a few years ago.  Feeling as if you're fighting with the bike 
just to get it to go is frustrating at best.

It had loads of "Shimano" hardware all over it, the indexed shifters were 
anything but, and the brakes required constant adjustment.  I rode very little.

My recently acquired "Krystal Mark IV", a cheapie from the 80s, is loads 
better, even with the clunky hardware.  So far I've invested about $85 in the 
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[eric]

Adam Maas wrote:
>> Oh, and Adam? Low end roadie:
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3663046
>> 
> A road bike named after a SUV? Wierd. Especially with twist-shifters. 
> Looks like someone put a bunch of ultra-low-end MTB components on an 
> ultra-cheap frame & wheelset.
>
> I suspect you'd do better buying a 70's 10 speed.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>   


Do NOT buy a bicycle from Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, Big Lots, or any 
other big box discount type store, unless you don't plan on riding more 
than 5-10 miles total, in the lifetime of the bicycle.  It _will_ break, 
and you _will_ spend more than it would have cost you to get a quality 
bicycle in the first place.

The GMC from Wal-Mart is exactly as another person said - ultra low end 
MTB components on a road style frame.  I used to frequently get brand 
new examples of those in my shop with shifting problems.  Because of 
ultra low quality control on those shifters and derailleurs,  it's near 
impossible to get them to shift precisely and correctly, even for us 
professionals.  If we happen to get lucky, it will only work correctly 
for a week or two.  We have similar issues with just about every other 
part of the bikes.

I'm not familiar enough with the Trek lines anymore to a yay or nay on 
it.  Your top priority should be finding a good shop though.  In the sub 
$1000 catagory, the bikes are very similar given same style (mountain, 
hybrid, cruiser, etc).  In the sub $500 catagory, even more so.  Minor 
differences of course, like seat or tire style or twist shifters vs. 
thumb, but one $300 bike is going to have the same basic componetry 
group as the other.  Being that the bikes are going to need maintenance, 
find a shop you're comfortable with, as you'll be returning again within 
the first month to get the bike readjusted after the break in period, 
and probably twice a year after that for checkups, or if readjustments 
need to be done. 

I just noticed I'm well on my way to a novel here, so I'll stop rambling 
now.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Scott Loveless]

Adam Maas wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>   
>> On 5/2/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  
>>
>> 
>>> A hybrid / fitness bike might be better for your needs. I don't know
>>> that a road bike would be very happy pulling a trailer, but a hybrid
>>> is a pretty good all-rounder.
>>>
>>> An effective daily workout on a bike is going to involve quite a lot
>>> of miles - about 15-20 per workout, I should think. You'll need a
>>> track or a country road with no traffic lights.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> You're right, Bob.
>>
>> The problem is that cycling is so very efficient. One must go about 4
>> to 5 times the distance of running to get an equivalent workout, so if
>> one does 15 to 20 miles, that would be like,
>>
>> er...
>>
>> uh...
>>
>> Well, you can do the math...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Hard to say if a roadbike or a hybrid would be better.  My personal
>> preference would be a road bike;  the uncomfortable position is much
>> more efficient, so one can ride farther and harder with less effort.
>> One soon gets used to the "uncomfortable" position and skinny hard
>> saddle.
>>
>> OTOH, if a trailer is being considered, a hybrid would be a much
>> stronger platform from which to pull it, and the braking system might
>> be stronger, too.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>
> Road bikes aren't that uncomfortable if you're using a more relaxed fit 
> (with the bars close to or at saddle height). And a touring frame should 
> haul just fine, while getting you many of the advantages of a road bike 
> over a hybrid (less weight, better position for long-distance riding). 
> Flat bars aren't so good for long rides as you only have one hand 
> position, instead of several choices with road bars (drops, bullhorns 
> and moustache bars all offer multiple hand positions, typically drops 
> are the stock option).
>
> -Adam
> Who rides a touring-configured singlespeed road bike these days.
>
>
>   
The hybrid/comfort bike certainly makes sense, but I'm planning on doing 
some light touring once the pounds are off.  Nothing too long, maybe 2 
or 3 days round trip.  Trailering will strictly be a local endeavor; 
taking the kids to pre-school, grocery getting, etc.  I have no plans to 
lug a trailer out of town.

The drop bars are a necessity.  I can't see not being able to switch 
hand positions from time to time.  Touring on a single-speed sounds 
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Scott Loveless]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I think the Trek that my boyfriend purchased last summer is the  
> "hybrid" version of that same frame and running gear. Very nice  
> bicycle: very good equipment and a pleasure to ride.
>
> I went for a Bianchi "San Jose" single-speeder model and then had it  
> customized: a hybrid seating position and a Shimano Nexus 8 internal  
> gearbox was installed rather than a derailleur set up. It does about  
> the same thing but the steering and handling are a bit faster, the  
> internal-hub gearbox is a bit easier to deal with in traffic.
>
>http://www.gdgphoto.com/bsj-8/
>
>
>
>   
Thanks, Godfrey.  I did a little googling and found that the San Jose is 
often converted with the Nexus gears.  Quite a few shops apparently do 
the conversions on spec.  Keeping in mind that touring is an eventual 
goal, I wonder how that gear set would work for me.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Scott Loveless]

Adam Maas wrote:
> How hilly is it locally? If it's not very, I'd get a singlespeed like 
> the Kona Paddy Wagon or Giant Bowery. You get more bike for the buck 
> because you're not buying a fancy drivetrain. And they're also built to 
> take more abuse than the lower-end geared roadies.
>   
Immediately around the house it's not too bad.  A single speed would be 
fine.  In fact, considering the clunkiness of the old Sun Tour hardware 
on the current bike, it may become a fixed-gear sooner rather than later.
> That said, the Trek Pilot 1.0 isn't bad. The only real weaknesses are 
> the wheels and shifters. The wheels at that price point tend to be light 
> instead of robust (at higher pricepoints they're light & robust) and the 
> drivetrain is going to wear reasonably quickly if you're big or putting 
> down a lot of miles.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>   
Well, I'm not exactly small.  Dropping the 30lbs I'd like to lose by the 
end of the summer puts me at just under 200lbs.  So I'm gonna beat the 
crap out of my cheapie first.  Thanks for the advice.  I'll keep it in mind.

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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Adam Maas]

frank theriault wrote:

>On 5/2/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>A hybrid / fitness bike might be better for your needs. I don't know
>>that a road bike would be very happy pulling a trailer, but a hybrid
>>is a pretty good all-rounder.
>>
>>An effective daily workout on a bike is going to involve quite a lot
>>of miles - about 15-20 per workout, I should think. You'll need a
>>track or a country road with no traffic lights.
>>
>>
>
>You're right, Bob.
>
>The problem is that cycling is so very efficient. One must go about 4
>to 5 times the distance of running to get an equivalent workout, so if
>one does 15 to 20 miles, that would be like,
>
>er...
>
>uh...
>
>Well, you can do the math...
>
>;-)
>
>Hard to say if a roadbike or a hybrid would be better.  My personal
>preference would be a road bike;  the uncomfortable position is much
>more efficient, so one can ride farther and harder with less effort.
>One soon gets used to the "uncomfortable" position and skinny hard
>saddle.
>
>OTOH, if a trailer is being considered, a hybrid would be a much
>stronger platform from which to pull it, and the braking system might
>be stronger, too.
>
>cheers,
>frank
>
>  
>

Road bikes aren't that uncomfortable if you're using a more relaxed fit 
(with the bars close to or at saddle height). And a touring frame should 
haul just fine, while getting you many of the advantages of a road bike 
over a hybrid (less weight, better position for long-distance riding). 
Flat bars aren't so good for long rides as you only have one hand 
position, instead of several choices with road bars (drops, bullhorns 
and moustache bars all offer multiple hand positions, typically drops 
are the stock option).

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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Nice expression. He looks like an interest photogenic character.

On 5/2/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Glen's been a messenger in Toronto for longer than most of us
> remember.  He started when he was 14, and I know he'd already been on
> the road for several years when I started back in '96.
>
> I rather like this "street portrait" of him (recognizing that there
> are blown out highlights, but I don't have imaging software to tone it
> down):
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd
>
> Comments always welcome
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
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Re: GESO -- Coachella 2007

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Nice shots Mike, especially the ones at the end of the gallery.

On 5/1/07, Mike Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This past weekend, I attended the Coachella Arts & Music Festival in
> Indio, CA.  It was a pretty intense weekend in all - 100 degree
> weather, 60 000 people, camping, etc...  I had an amazing time.
>
> The rules as stated on the Coachella website stated that there were no
> SLR cameras permitted.  In practice, I found that the rule was not
> really enforced, but I only had my Fujifilm F30.
>
> Anyway, check out the photos.  There are 24 in all.
>
> http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/Coachella
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[frank theriault]

On 5/2/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A hybrid / fitness bike might be better for your needs. I don't know
> that a road bike would be very happy pulling a trailer, but a hybrid
> is a pretty good all-rounder.
>
> An effective daily workout on a bike is going to involve quite a lot
> of miles - about 15-20 per workout, I should think. You'll need a
> track or a country road with no traffic lights.

You're right, Bob.

The problem is that cycling is so very efficient. One must go about 4
to 5 times the distance of running to get an equivalent workout, so if
one does 15 to 20 miles, that would be like,

er...

uh...

Well, you can do the math...

;-)

Hard to say if a roadbike or a hybrid would be better.  My personal
preference would be a road bike;  the uncomfortable position is much
more efficient, so one can ride farther and harder with less effort.
One soon gets used to the "uncomfortable" position and skinny hard
saddle.

OTOH, if a trailer is being considered, a hybrid would be a much
stronger platform from which to pull it, and the braking system might
be stronger, too.

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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 2, 2007, at 10:59 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd

I like it too.

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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Fernando Terrazzino]

interest = interesting

On 5/2/07, Fernando Terrazzino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice expression. He looks like an interest photogenic character.
>
> On 5/2/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Glen's been a messenger in Toronto for longer than most of us
> > remember.  He started when he was 14, and I know he'd already been on
> > the road for several years when I started back in '96.
> >
> > I rather like this "street portrait" of him (recognizing that there
> > are blown out highlights, but I don't have imaging software to tone it
> > down):
> >
> > http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd
> >
> > Comments always welcome
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> >
> >
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Re: Judging Photos

[Tom C]

>I think this phenomenon is more with the younger set.  Where I live,
>most of the book stores have gone out of business - just Borders is
>left and an odd store here and there.  They all seem to sell more
>music, videos and gifts than they do books, though.
>
>It is even in the technology.  When we were younger, you had to listen
>to music on either tape or vinyl records.  The means of skipping
>around between songs was clumsy at best.  So we mostly listened to the
>whole thing once started.

Which is how we learned some of the best music was not the Top 40 hits!

>With the advent of CD players and now
>Ipods, it is very interesting to watch the young ones.  They switch
>between songs constantly and rarely listen to the whole song - just
>catching the 20-30 seconds that is really 'cool' to them.

Sacrilege IMO. :-)



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RE: OT - more bike stuff

[Bob W]

A hybrid / fitness bike might be better for your needs. I don't know
that a road bike would be very happy pulling a trailer, but a hybrid
is a pretty good all-rounder.

An effective daily workout on a bike is going to involve quite a lot
of miles - about 15-20 per workout, I should think. You'll need a
track or a country road with no traffic lights.

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> Sent: 02 May 2007 14:35
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> Subject: OT - more bike stuff
> 
> I've convinced myself that if I can shave off 30lbs this summer I'll

> need a new bike.  :-)  So I'm looking at a Trek Pilot.  Probably the

> 1.0.  Ball-and-chain won't let me spend much more than that.  Plans 
> include daily workouts, trips to the grocery store, pulling 
> the kids in 
> a trailer, and the occasional weekend jaunt (without the 
> kids).  Anyone 
> have any experience with these?  Or should I be considering
something 
> else.  FWIW, the local shop is a Trek dealer.
> 
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[David J Brooks]

On 5/2/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
> >On 5/2/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Doug Brewer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Scott Loveless wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> I've convinced myself that if I can shave off 30lbs this summer I'll
> need a new bike.  :-)  So I'm looking at a Trek Pilot.  Probably the
> 1.0.  Ball-and-chain won't let me spend much more than that.  Plans
> include daily workouts, trips to the grocery store, pulling the kids in
> a trailer, and the occasional weekend jaunt (without the kids).  Anyone
> have any experience with these?  Or should I be considering something
> else.  FWIW, the local shop is a Trek dealer.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>I can shave off 30lbs by getting rid of my mustache.
> >>>
> >>>Do I get a new bike?
> >>>
> >>>Oh, and Adam? Low end roadie:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3663046
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>A road bike named after a SUV? Wierd. Especially with twist-shifters.
> >>Looks like someone put a bunch of ultra-low-end MTB components on an
> >>ultra-cheap frame & wheelset.
> >>
> >>I suspect you'd do better buying a 70's 10 speed.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I have a 1973/4 Raleigh 10 speed in the garage.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
>
> Those are classics, especially in ridable condition.

It would need a good CLA and tires(the skinny ones).

Dave
>
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Re: PESO - Old Skool Glen

[Russell Kerstetter]

nice lighting and facial expression

Russ

On 5/2/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Glen's been a messenger in Toronto for longer than most of us
> remember.  He started when he was 14, and I know he'd already been on
> the road for several years when I started back in '96.
>
> I rather like this "street portrait" of him (recognizing that there
> are blown out highlights, but I don't have imaging software to tone it
> down):
>
> http://gmapuploader.com/iframe.php?mapId=60q0vRBjJd
>
> Comments always welcome
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO A recent panorama

[Russell Kerstetter]

very beautiful Rob!  (especially when considering the flailings of
your companion)

Russ

On 5/2/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> Given that digital image capture has diminished landscape photography
> I thought I'd share a recent snap-shot. The image was captured (that's
> for Shel) on the South coast of Eastern Australia at Minnamurra Point
> and shows the Minnamurra village, inlet, Minnamurra Beach and Stack
> Island as a panorama spanning approximately 126° horizontally.
>
> The image was formed by merging seven hand held horizontal format
> shots at 45mm FL (DA16-45). The image is a testament to the virtues of
> the K10D SR system given that strapped to the front of me I had my
> nine month old child who was at the time wildly engaged in an air
> football match with Mr Nobody. I must admit that this particular
> rendering is only low resolution as I lazily used the in camera
> generated jpg files to assemble panorama and by default I have it set
> to generate 2MP files, it would be much more resolute if I had used
> the associated RAW files.
>
> Warning: This image is not for the limited of bandwidth (approx 2.1MB)
> or for those who despise scrolling to view an image (7766 x 1149
> pixels).
>
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~aglcnews/temp/IMGK01774-IMGK01780v2.jpg
>
> Comments, questions and criticisms welcomed.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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RE: PESO A recent panorama

[Bob W]

Looks like a nice place. It reminds me a little bit of flying in over
Lake Victoria to land at Entebbe, and seeing the villages hidden in
the vivid green rain forest. The beautifully detailed nature of the
shot makes it fascinating, and the peoples activity taking place
amongst that wonderful landscape makes it really atmospheric. Only
niggle is that I'd like to have seen a bit more of a baseline for more
balance.

Incidentally, IE downsizes it automatically so I get to see the whole
composition, and I can click to big it up and scroll to look at
details, so no worries there mate.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Digital Image Studio
> Sent: 02 May 2007 11:01
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO A recent panorama
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> Given that digital image capture has diminished landscape
photography
> I thought I'd share a recent snap-shot. The image was captured
(that's
> for Shel) on the South coast of Eastern Australia at Minnamurra
Point
> and shows the Minnamurra village, inlet, Minnamurra Beach and Stack
> Island as a panorama spanning approximately 126° horizontally.
> 
> The image was formed by merging seven hand held horizontal format
> shots at 45mm FL (DA16-45). The image is a testament to the virtues
of
> the K10D SR system given that strapped to the front of me I had my
> nine month old child who was at the time wildly engaged in an air
> football match with Mr Nobody. I must admit that this particular
> rendering is only low resolution as I lazily used the in camera
> generated jpg files to assemble panorama and by default I have it
set
> to generate 2MP files, it would be much more resolute if I had used
> the associated RAW files.
> 
> Warning: This image is not for the limited of bandwidth (approx
2.1MB)
> or for those who despise scrolling to view an image (7766 x 1149
> pixels).
> 
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~aglcnews/temp/IMGK01774-IMGK01780v2.jpg
> 
> Comments, questions and criticisms welcomed.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT - more bike stuff

[Adam Maas]

David J Brooks wrote:

>On 5/2/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Doug Brewer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Scott Loveless wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I've convinced myself that if I can shave off 30lbs this summer I'll
need a new bike.  :-)  So I'm looking at a Trek Pilot.  Probably the
1.0.  Ball-and-chain won't let me spend much more than that.  Plans
include daily workouts, trips to the grocery store, pulling the kids in
a trailer, and the occasional weekend jaunt (without the kids).  Anyone
have any experience with these?  Or should I be considering something
else.  FWIW, the local shop is a Trek dealer.

Thanks!





>>>I can shave off 30lbs by getting rid of my mustache.
>>>
>>>Do I get a new bike?
>>>
>>>Oh, and Adam? Low end roadie:
>>>
>>>http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3663046
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>A road bike named after a SUV? Wierd. Especially with twist-shifters.
>>Looks like someone put a bunch of ultra-low-end MTB components on an
>>ultra-cheap frame & wheelset.
>>
>>I suspect you'd do better buying a 70's 10 speed.
>>
>>
>
>I have a 1973/4 Raleigh 10 speed in the garage.
>
>Dave
>  
>

Those are classics, especially in ridable condition.

-Adam


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Re: Clueless - on Yahoo Groups *istD

[Tom C]

Most asses ARE clever, they're just not smart. ;-)

Tom C.



From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:56:04 +0200

I got to agree with your signature. You are pretty clever for being an ass
;-)

Tim Typo
Mostly Harmless

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On 5/1/07, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is something called fatherhood too, Tom ;-)
> After birth it is basically the same as being a mother.

I'm a father of three.  I agree with you, Tim.  I, for one, had the
worst post-partum depression, for almost a year.  The stitches from
the episiotomy itched like hell for months.  And, don't get me started
on how long it took for me to "get my figure back" again...

;-)

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Re: Temptation...

[David J Brooks]

On 5/2/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have received my tax refund check(s).

Sniff, had to PAY again this year.

Dave
> I just missed out in the bidding on an A*300/2.8
> And there's currently a $100.00 rebate on the 10-17 fisheye zoom, which
> seems like a really fun lens...

I have the Sigma 10-20.Not well used,but it has its moments

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Re: Judging Photos

[Tom C]

>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Judging Photos
>Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:47:13 -0700
>
>I think this phenomenon is more with the younger set.  Where I live,
>most of the book stores have gone out of business - just Borders is
>left and an odd store here and there.  They all seem to sell more
>music, videos and gifts than they do books, though.
>
>It is even in the technology.  When we were younger, you had to listen
>to music on either tape or vinyl records.  The means of skipping
>around between songs was clumsy at best.  So we mostly listened to the
>whole thing once started.  With the advent of CD players and now
>Ipods, it is very interesting to watch the young ones.  They switch
>between songs constantly and rarely listen to the whole song - just
>catching the 20-30 seconds that is really 'cool' to them.  Sound
>bites online and on cell phones, video clips online and on ipods, all
>encourage short 'bursts' of information.  Since this goes on pretty
>heavily, making your burst stand out is tricky.
>
>Food for thought.
>
>--
>Bruce
>

>Food for thought.

Gag.

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Re: Clueless - on Yahoo Groups *istD

[Tim Øsleby]

I got to agree with your signature. You are pretty clever for being an ass 
;-)

Tim Typo
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On 5/1/07, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is something called fatherhood too, Tom ;-)
> After birth it is basically the same as being a mother.

I'm a father of three.  I agree with you, Tim.  I, for one, had the
worst post-partum depression, for almost a year.  The stitches from
the episiotomy itched like hell for months.  And, don't get me started
on how long it took for me to "get my figure back" again...

;-)

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Re: PESO A recent panorama

[frank theriault]

On 5/2/07, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> Given that digital image capture has diminished landscape photography
> I thought I'd share a recent snap-shot. The image was captured (that's
> for Shel) on the South coast of Eastern Australia at Minnamurra Point
> and shows the Minnamurra village, inlet, Minnamurra Beach and Stack
> Island as a panorama spanning approximately 126° horizontally.
>
> The image was formed by merging seven hand held horizontal format
> shots at 45mm FL (DA16-45). The image is a testament to the virtues of
> the K10D SR system given that strapped to the front of me I had my
> nine month old child who was at the time wildly engaged in an air
> football match with Mr Nobody. I must admit that this particular
> rendering is only low resolution as I lazily used the in camera
> generated jpg files to assemble panorama and by default I have it set
> to generate 2MP files, it would be much more resolute if I had used
> the associated RAW files.
>
> Warning: This image is not for the limited of bandwidth (approx 2.1MB)
> or for those who despise scrolling to view an image (7766 x 1149
> pixels).
>
> http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~aglcnews/temp/IMGK01774-IMGK01780v2.jpg
>
> Comments, questions and criticisms welcomed.
>

Gorgeous!

cheers,
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