Re: Stolen Photos

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: Stolen Photos


> On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the 
>>travesties
>
> Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
> of 'em.

Don't they wear travestights?

William Robb 


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Re: PESO: Scale

[David Savage]

On 7/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Kananaskis Country, Alberta,  Canada.
> 
> K10D,  DA 16-45mm @ 45mm, f10 @ 1/100, ISO  400
> =
> Whoa, very nice shot and  the fisherman really helps. This one needed scale.
> Good going.

Thanks Marnie.

On another site, it's been suggested that the shot would be better if
I cloned the guy out.

No way.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Scale

[David Savage]

On 7/11/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/8/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada.
> > 
> > K10D, DA 16-45mm @ 45mm, f10 @ 1/100, ISO 400
>
> Beautiful!

Thank you sir.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Scale

[David Savage]

Thanks Fernando.

I'm glad you mentioned the colour because it was done on my laptop & I
always have a hard time judging that sort of thing when using it to
process photos.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/12/07, Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very nice one, composition, colors and the inlcusion of the guy in the
> bottom right. Good one
>
> On 7/8/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada.
> > 
> > K10D, DA 16-45mm @ 45mm, f10 @ 1/100, ISO 400

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[David Savage]

Fare enough. I guess this would be better as part of a GESO, to help
put it in context.

Cheers & thanks for looking,

Dave

On 7/12/07, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
> to figure it out.
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>
> Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote:
> DS> 
> DS> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[David Savage]

Thanks Dave.

I absolutly love the lens. And it's not too bad for shooting action
either (GESO to follow in a day or so).

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/12/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the DOF you choose. Love that lens
>
> Dave
>
> On 7/11/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[David Savage]

As I said to Bruce, it probably needs to be part of a gallery for
those that aren't to familiar with team roping.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/12/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
> > to figure it out.
>
> Ditto
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Prep'ed
>
>
> > The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
> > to figure it out.
> >
> > --
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote:
> > DS> 
> > DS> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[David Savage]

On 7/11/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/11/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
>
> Enough to make me a vegetarian.  Poor guy - the look in his eye is
> quite terrifying.

The taste of a good steak is enough to keep me carnivorous (well
technically omnivorous) :-)

Some of the cattle are quite calm about the whole affair, and others
freak right out (generally those that haven't been through team roping
before).

I have to say it's fun to watch & the skill of both rider & horse is
very impressive.

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30b - GDG

[Kenneth Waller]

Nice un Godfrey - I like the simplicity.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO 2007 - 30b - GDG


> too many projects simultaneously ...
> 
>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30b.htm
> 
> Comments, critique, rotten vegtables all appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey


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PESO 2007 - 30b - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

too many projects simultaneously ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30b.htm

Comments, critique, rotten vegtables all appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Kenneth Waller]

>People sometimes read things that aren't really there.

Mark !

Kenneth Waller

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>From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Bob Blakely"
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>
>
>> Where the hell does that crap come from and how the hell does it relate to
>> W. Robb's response to M. Roberts post:
>>
>>> Tell him your name is "Bill Robb" and he'll probably pee himself out of
>>> fear :)
>
>It's probably because of my habitual Americana bashing. People sometimes 
>read things that aren't really there.
>
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Re: Stolen Photos

[graywolf]

Hey, my ex did that once.

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Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Hey, I respect the rights of those who want to put on a pink dress  
> and heels every now and then. Let freedom ring!
> Paul
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Cotty wrote:
> 
>> On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the  
>>> travesties
>> Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear,  
>> some
>> of 'em.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Cotty
>>
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Paul Stenquist]

Hey, I respect the rights of those who want to put on a pink dress  
and heels every now and then. Let freedom ring!
Paul
On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the  
>> travesties
>
> Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear,  
> some
> of 'em.
>
> -- 
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

[Bong Manayon]

Jostein,

I think the glitch lies in how the program terminates.  Towards the
end of the process; one, then two, then even four, begins to repeat.
Somewhere along the line, reminiscent of the Groundhog Day, you
realize that you're looking at photos that you looked at the
beginning.

Later, I logged back in and looked and there were 4 new ones I don't
recall seeing the first time.  I voted on them and when I hit the
submit button they all reappeared again.  I suspect they were the only
ones queue for me to vote on and since there was no 'thank you for
voting' page or something, they simply reappeared again.

I tested this with another Pentaxian here in the Philippines, who was
experiencing the same thing.  I uploaded an old reject into my account
and my friend, logging in soon after, found my photo on top of his
queue.

Bong

On 7/12/07, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> There seems to be something wrong with the whole thing, now. I too get
> the same photos over and over, as if it doesn't register the votes at
> all.
>
> Jostein
>
>
> 2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
> > all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
> > that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
> > reason to continue spending the time voting.
> > Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who 
> > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Re: Stolen Photos

[P. J. Alling]

Wouldn't that destroy the illusion?

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty"
> Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>
>
>   
>> On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> 
>>> The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the 
>>> travesties
>>>   
>> Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
>> of 'em.
>> 
>
> Don't they wear travestights?
>
> William Robb 
>
>
>   


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Re: Stolen Photos

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" 
Subject: Re: Stolen Photos




> I think it's "transvestites": They grow down from the roof of the 
> cave. Transvestmites grow upward from the cave floor.

I thought transvestmites was what grew in their nether regions

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you again for all your comments and compliments.

As usual, specific questions ...

>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm

> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gloom and doom well represented. A chilling and well executed image.
> I would probably clone out the corner of the table at the left of  
> frame.

> From: Bong Manayon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is great!  Where's Boris?  We had this conversation about  
> empty rooms...
> And, yeah, the table gets in the way.

> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I guess I'm a purist, the table is there, it should stay there.

I tend to side with Peter in this case.

> From: Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A depressing looking place, well presented.  What was the purpose  
> of structure in the middle of the frame?
> The table doesn't bother me - the floor pattern might make cloning  
> it out tricky.

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Kinda creepy.
> I wonder what that glass-brick enclosure was for.  My imagination
> makes me think the worst...
> Wonderful composition.

> From: Mark Bohrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is very powerful. The stark setting, scuffed floor, the  
> walled- and caged-off space in the center of the room - they all  
> say "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here." Was this the execution  
> area?
> Great emotion.

The scene is the main kitchen, separated from the barracks-style  
eating area with heavy gates (I'm shooting through the bars of the  
gate in this photo, I have one photo of the gates...). Most of the  
tables and cooking implements/etc are gone, but to the right just  
outside the field of view was still one of the large cookpots. I  
believe the central structure was where the chief cooks desk and  
administrative work was done, and a guard was posted there at all  
times when the facility was not under lock-down hours. There once  
were work tables, stoves and ovens lining most of the periphery of  
the room, I understand.

> From: "Stephen J. Esposito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...The second photo feels as if there are several of your moving  
> shadows inhabiting the picture even though there's really nobody  
> there
>
> Or is all that me in me own head?

Moving shadows in your head or not, there are certainly many lost  
ghosts that live within the walls of that prison... !!

There are more to come in this collection.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

>>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm

It's darn hard to keep up with all the replies !!!
Thanks for all the comments and compliments. :-)

Responding to any specific questions...

> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I like it but...It seems extremely contrasty - lots of white - not
> quite what I would expect.  Would you care to elaborate on the scene
> and the processing you did?  I'm curious.

It is a very gritty rendering. As usual, the fidelity of these  
downsized JPEG renderings to the full resolution image is not perfect  
and looks a little bit harsher. All the processing was in Lightroom  
1.1 with the exception of a very gentle selective sharpening to the  
bottom edge of the stairs ... I couldn't get a good compromise that  
worked with all over sharpening even with LR 1.1's masking, so I  
rendered a version out to Photoshop and did just that area in a layer.

The scene is a piece of the external rear staircase to the main  
prison cell blocks which is dangerously rotting away now and cordoned  
off. I liked the interplay of lines, shapes and the gritty texture of  
its decay.

The feel of the prison is bleak and overbearing, yet there is  
surprising beauty in the light there. It was a place of terrible  
isolation when it was in operation, I'm sure. I can't imagine being a  
prisoner in such a place, the psychological impact is beyond my  
comprehension.

best,
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Mark Roberts]

William Robb wrote:

>From: "Cotty"
>
>> On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the 
>>>travesties
>>
>> Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
>> of 'em.
>
>Don't they wear travestights?

 I think it's "transvestites": They grow down from the roof of the 
cave. Transvestmites grow upward from the cave floor.


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12-24mm vs 24-90mm at 24

[Andre Langevin]

On a K10D, I did a quick comparison between the 
12-24mm and the 24-90mm at 24mm & f5.6.  One shot 
full of bricks, trees, shade & sun, taken twice, 
15 seconds apart..  The 12-24 is quite a bit 
better, especially in the corners.

Color saturation is very slightly better with the 12-24.

But the color balance is surprisingly different: 
the 24-90 has green sky. All settings from RAW 
(DNG) were set to 0 (and 5000K) for both photos.

Do I have a bad 24-90 or is it like that? (I can send full size jpegs)
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[P. J. Alling]

I expect the experience to be "interesting".  I even think I have a 
solution, it includes hardware never intended for use on a Pentax camera 
various screwdrivers a hacksaw, a dremel tool, a soldering iron, voltage 
and continuity testers, Cotty will be proud.  But I have to win an item 
on ebay at a reasonable price first...

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "P. J. Alling"
> Subject: Mechanical->electronic cable release.
>
>
>   
>> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a
>> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which
>> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with
>> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their
>> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I
>> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the
>> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release
>> with the *ist-D/Ds).
>> 
>
> I ended up using 2 cable releases, a mechanical one for the bellows and the 
> electronic one for the camera.
> It works well enough for the number of times I use a bellows these days.
> BTW, if you are planning on using a bellows with a DSLR, get ready for the 
> spotting job of a lifetime.
>
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>
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[William Robb]

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From: "P. J. Alling"
Subject: Mechanical->electronic cable release.


> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a
> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which
> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with
> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their
> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I
> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the
> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release
> with the *ist-D/Ds).

I ended up using 2 cable releases, a mechanical one for the bellows and the 
electronic one for the camera.
It works well enough for the number of times I use a bellows these days.
BTW, if you are planning on using a bellows with a DSLR, get ready for the 
spotting job of a lifetime.

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Re: Stolen Photos

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Stolen Photos


> Where the hell does that crap come from and how the hell does it relate to
> W. Robb's response to M. Roberts post:
>
>> Tell him your name is "Bill Robb" and he'll probably pee himself out of
>> fear :)

It's probably because of my habitual Americana bashing. People sometimes 
read things that aren't really there.

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Re: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)



>
> *IF* you are a wedding photographer and are giving your customers a CD
> so they can print their own photos, you need to include a written
> copyright release. If they come to my lab and don't have it, I'm going
> to stop them from printing.

I was running into that A LOT at my last lab job. The company didn't really 
have a policy in place, I suggested that perhaps they should put software 
onto the machines that would allow us to see the EXIF data.
My take was that if there was camera data attached to the file, then the 
photographer had supplied the CD to them.
Unfortunately, the copyright laws have not kept pace with technology, 
Canada's law is quite out of date, your DMCA law is very poorly thought out, 
and very inept in it's enforcement.

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Re: Stolen Photos

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: Stolen Photos


> >William Robb wrote:
>>
>> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
>>
>>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
>>  And I say that as an (US) American.

>
> That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.  All 
> one
> has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven 
> true
> would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically 
> obligated
> to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to 
> hell
> if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the
> person is both ill-willed and well- healed.
>


This may well be true, but it has absolutely no bearing on what I posted, 
which was wondering why people think I am some sort of meanie.

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Re: Stolen Photos

[Bob Blakely]

Seems there's nothing one can do about those thespians masticating in 
public...

Regards,
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- Original Message - 
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> Cotty wrote:
>
>>On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the
> travesties
>>
>>Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
>>of 'em.
>
> Sorry Cotty. I've been trying to come up with a snappy reply to that
> one for the past hour and I'm stumped. Just speechless.
>
> ...though that might not necessarily be a good thing.



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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Bruce Dayton]

Just got back on and found they have changed the rating system a
little bit.  There is no longer any radio buttons on the far right
side - just up/down arrows.  It also seemed to only show me new photos
to rate.  Went pretty well until the end.  The end had only two -
after clicking submit I got a screenful of text like the program
dumped.  Anyway, they seem to be improving it.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 2:18:17 PM, you wrote:

A> Yup,
A> I got it wrong.
A> But I do have a couple of suggestions to improve the workflow for the
A> reviewing photographer, though. :-)
A> Jostein

A> 2007/7/11, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
>> > through 50-60 images like Jack did.
>>
>> Did I miss something?
>> No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>>
>>  Original Message -
>> From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?
>>
>>
>> > It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
>> > However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
>> > project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
>> > couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
>> > the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
>> > profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
>> > navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up
>> > a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
>> > is selected by random.
>> >
>> > I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
>> > IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
>> > through 50-60 images like Jack did.
>> >
>> > Jostein
>> >
>> > 2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >> I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up
>> >> with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
>> >> would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
>> >> moment.
>> >>
>> >> Jack
>> >> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
>> >> > photos
>> >> > that were presented to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
>> >> > were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
>> >> > system is foolproof yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Bruce
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > A> Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and
>> >> > was
>> >> > A> met with the below text.
>> >> >
>> >> > A> Anyone picked up news about this before?
>> >> >
>> >> > A> Jostein
>> >> >
>> >> > A> === Quote start =
>> >> > A> As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
>> >> > ability
>> >> > A> to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can
>> >> > A> participate in the voting process.
>> >> >
>> >> > A> Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
>> >> > A> selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot
>> >> > vote
>> >> > A> on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for
>> >> > A> voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
>> >> > protect
>> >> > A> the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
>> >> > viewed
>> >> > A> by the photographer.
>> >> >
>> >> > A> PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however,
>> >> > A> your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
>> >> > reserves
>> >> > A> the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has
>> >> > A> received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
>> >> > including,
>> >> > A> but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios,
>> >> > the
>> >> > A> inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality
>> >> > of
>> >> > A> the image.
>> >> >
>> >> > A> Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
>> >> > image.
>> >> > A> When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
>> >> > subject
>> >> > A> matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
>> >> >
>> >> > A> === Quote end =
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the 
travesties 
>
>Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
>of 'em.

Sorry Cotty. I've been trying to come up with a snappy reply to that 
one for the past hour and I'm stumped. Just speechless.

...though that might not necessarily be a good thing.



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Re: Stolen Photos

[John Sessoms]

From:
Doug Franklin
> William Robb wrote:
>> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
> (US) Americans are scared of freedom. Not their own, their neighbors'.
> And I say that as an (US) American.
That's kind of a broad-brush blanket generalization there, and while it 
may be true of some US Americans, it's not true for ALL US Americans.

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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

I had a similar thought, but in reality he's already exposed *himself*.  He 
posted his name at least one place on that site, including the vicinity of 
his residence.  A simple lookup in the public local phone directory yields 
his phone number and address.

And, none of this would have occurred if he hadn't misappropriated the 
images.


Tom C.



>From: John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:27:30 -0400
>
>Don't get YOURSELVES in trouble over this. The photos were taken down.
>If Tom contacts the newspaper again and points out the thumbnails are
>still up, they'll take them down too,
>
>But you're crossing over a line into net stalking.
>
>From:
>Paul Sorenson
> > Here you go...
> >
> > S*** D
> > BOISE, ID 83702
> > (208) 3**-
> >
> > S*** D
> > BOISE, ID 83702
> > (208) 3**-
> >
> > -p
> >
> > Tom C wrote:
> >> I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked on
> >> the link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance
> >> he works at the same place I do also.
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >
>
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Blakely wrote:

>True, but I champion for liberty anyway, even if sometimes I feel I'm 
>"tilting at windmills".

"The genius of Don Quixote wasn't in thinking that the windmills were 
giants, but in realizing that they *might* be!"
 - From the film "They Might Be Giants"

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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

No arguments here. :-)


Tom C.

>From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:27:58 -0700
>
>True, but I champion for liberty anyway, even if sometimes I feel I'm
>"tilting at windmills".
>
>Regards,
>Bob Blakely
>-
>"Liberty, Sancho, my friend, is one of the most precious gifts
>that Heaven has bestowed on mankind"
>  - Don Quixote
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Well I didn't make the original statement I was just giving my take on 
>it.
> > :-)
> >
> > I don't know how we got to founding documents but it's important to
> > remember
> > 1) that the founding documents of almost every nation, even the 1977
> > Soviet
> > constitution, propose to guarantee essentially the same common set of
> > basic
> > rights and 2) the documents are pieces of paper which can be
> > interpreted/misinterpreted by those in power, much the way treaties are.
> >
> > The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the
> > travesties
> > of justice that occur here routinely with liberty and the pursuit of
> > happiness.
> >
> >>From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>So basically, it's NOT fear of their neighbor's freedom in the sense 
>folks
> >>would normally take your statement, it's fear of their neighbor's 
>license
> >>(Lack of due restraint; excessive freedom: "When liberty becomes 
>license,
> >>dictatorship is near" - William Durant, or freedom that allows or is 
>used
> >>with irresponsibility and disregard for standards of personal conduct :
> >>LICENTIOUSNESS, - that which usurps a liberty at the expense of denying
> >>another's liberty).
> >>
> >>Our founding documents distinguish between what they referred to as
> >>liberty
> >>and license.
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> > >William Robb wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes 
>from.
> >> >>
> >> >>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their 
>neighbors'.
> >> >>  And I say that as an (US) American.
> >> >>
> >> >>--
> >> >>Thanks,
> >> >>DougF (KG4LMZ)
> >> >>
> >> > That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.
> >> > All
> >> > one
> >> > has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if 
>proven
> >> > true
> >> > would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically
> >> > obligated
> >> > to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life 
>to
> >> > hell
> >> > if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if 
>the
> >> > person is both ill-willed and well- healed.
>
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Bob Blakely]

True, but I champion for liberty anyway, even if sometimes I feel I'm 
"tilting at windmills".

Regards,
Bob Blakely
-
"Liberty, Sancho, my friend, is one of the most precious gifts
that Heaven has bestowed on mankind"
 - Don Quixote


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Well I didn't make the original statement I was just giving my take on it.
> :-)
>
> I don't know how we got to founding documents but it's important to 
> remember
> 1) that the founding documents of almost every nation, even the 1977 
> Soviet
> constitution, propose to guarantee essentially the same common set of 
> basic
> rights and 2) the documents are pieces of paper which can be
> interpreted/misinterpreted by those in power, much the way treaties are.
>
> The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the 
> travesties
> of justice that occur here routinely with liberty and the pursuit of
> happiness.
>
>>From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>So basically, it's NOT fear of their neighbor's freedom in the sense folks
>>would normally take your statement, it's fear of their neighbor's license
>>(Lack of due restraint; excessive freedom: "When liberty becomes license,
>>dictatorship is near" - William Durant, or freedom that allows or is used
>>with irresponsibility and disregard for standards of personal conduct :
>>LICENTIOUSNESS, - that which usurps a liberty at the expense of denying
>>another's liberty).
>>
>>Our founding documents distinguish between what they referred to as 
>>liberty
>>and license.
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > >William Robb wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
>> >>
>> >>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
>> >>  And I say that as an (US) American.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>DougF (KG4LMZ)
>> >>
>> > That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here. 
>> > All
>> > one
>> > has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven
>> > true
>> > would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically
>> > obligated
>> > to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to
>> > hell
>> > if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the
>> > person is both ill-willed and well- healed.



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Re: Stolen Photos

[John Sessoms]

Don't get YOURSELVES in trouble over this. The photos were taken down. 
If Tom contacts the newspaper again and points out the thumbnails are 
still up, they'll take them down too,

But you're crossing over a line into net stalking.

From:
Paul Sorenson
> Here you go...
>
> S*** D
> BOISE, ID 83702
> (208) 3**-
>
> S*** D
> BOISE, ID 83702
> (208) 3**-  
>
> -p
>
> Tom C wrote:
>> I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked on 
>> the link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance 
>> he works at the same place I do also.
>>
>> Tom C. 
>


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Re: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)

[John Sessoms]

From:
Scott Loveless
> The DMCA probably ranks right up there with the IRS, Homeland 
> Security, and victimless crimes in sliminess.  It was definitely 
> written to benefit "them" and not "us".  If you can use it to 
> legitimately enforce copyright, go for it.
>
> Good luck with dealing with this scumbag.  Hopefully, it will be 
> resolved quickly and easily.
Killing gnats with a sledgehammer, since the newspaper apparently made 
him take the images down in less than 24 hours after notification.

I'm running a mini-lab with Kodak kiosks (scanner to "make prints from 
prints"; CD-ROM ...). My employer takes copyright VERY seriously.

We're supposed to keep an eye on what's being duplicated and stop the 
customer if it looks like they're trying to copy copyrighted 
photographs; stuff like wedding photos fer instance 

Which brings up another thing.

*IF* you are a wedding photographer and are giving your customers a CD 
so they can print their own photos, you need to include a written 
copyright release. If they come to my lab and don't have it, I'm going 
to stop them from printing.

Can't afford to screw around with the DMCA (5 years imprisonment & 
$500,000 fine; $1,000,000 for repeat offenders ...)

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RE: GESO: At The Car Wash

[John Sessoms]

From:
"Bob W"
> On 7/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> > > To tell the truth, I don't either. When I was that age, all 
>> 
> > the girls were VERY MATURE and VERY INTIMIDATING  :-) .
> > 
> > They still are...
> > 
> >  ;-) 
> > 
>   
>
> Courage, mon brave! take a lesson from Leonard:
I don't think so. Given the average age here, you're getting into 
dangerously close to "lock you up UNDER the jail and throw away the key" 
territory.

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Re: Kodak demolishing 2 more buildings in Rochester

[John Sessoms]

From:
Scott Loveless
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ed1f56c4-07c2-41bf-8b25-09a2f2eb6b1d&rss=102
>>  
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what buildings 9 and 23 were used for?
>>
>>   
> Rather, it looks like they came down this last weekend.

Ok, if it's the ones that were imploded last weekend, another news story 
I saw said they were dis-used warehouses.


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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[P. J. Alling]

It seems to have a two stage system one for focus and one for shutter 
release. 

Leon Altoff wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made my own about 7 years ago out of a small switch box a couple of 
> micro switches and some cable and a plug.  I have used it on my Z1-p, 
> MZ-S, istD and K10D and just changed the plug each time I needed to.
>
> I didn't realise that you could actually buy them - they are almost 
> certainly not available over the counter in Australia.
>
> The T3 looks smaller than my home made job - though I can use mine 
> without the cable as well as an electronic release.  Does it have a two 
> step action to start metering and AF before actually firing the shutter?
>
>   


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Re: Stolen Photos

[Cotty]

On 11/7/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the travesties 

Yeah, we get them over here as well. Diabolical outfits they wear, some
of 'em.

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[AlunFoto]

Yup,
I got it wrong.
But I do have a couple of suggestions to improve the workflow for the
reviewing photographer, though. :-)
Jostein

2007/7/11, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
> > through 50-60 images like Jack did.
>
> Did I miss something?
> No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
>  Original Message -
> From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?
>
>
> > It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
> > However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
> > project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
> > couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
> > the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
> > :-)
> >
> > You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
> > profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
> > navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up
> > a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
> > is selected by random.
> >
> > I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
> > IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
> > through 50-60 images like Jack did.
> >
> > Jostein
> >
> > 2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up
> >> with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
> >> would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
> >> moment.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
> >> > photos
> >> > that were presented to me.
> >> >
> >> > It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
> >> > were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
> >> > system is foolproof yet.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bruce
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A> Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and
> >> > was
> >> > A> met with the below text.
> >> >
> >> > A> Anyone picked up news about this before?
> >> >
> >> > A> Jostein
> >> >
> >> > A> === Quote start =
> >> > A> As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
> >> > ability
> >> > A> to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can
> >> > A> participate in the voting process.
> >> >
> >> > A> Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
> >> > A> selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot
> >> > vote
> >> > A> on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for
> >> > A> voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
> >> > protect
> >> > A> the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
> >> > viewed
> >> > A> by the photographer.
> >> >
> >> > A> PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however,
> >> > A> your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
> >> > reserves
> >> > A> the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has
> >> > A> received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
> >> > including,
> >> > A> but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios,
> >> > the
> >> > A> inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality
> >> > of
> >> > A> the image.
> >> >
> >> > A> Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
> >> > image.
> >> > A> When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
> >> > subject
> >> > A> matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
> >> >
> >> > A> === Quote end =
>
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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

[Kenneth Waller]

Not to worry Knarf, we still like you.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO - The Red Hat


> On 7/11/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
>> > scan my computer for errors.
>>
>> Same here.
>
> Sorry.
>
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTNiihhxzI/Aas/_bNT0dbinL8/s1600-h/july_10+001.jpg
>
> As I explained, I thought I was using tinyurl.com, but I erred.
>
> I won't do it again.
>
> thanks,
> frank


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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

My website (unmaintained) can be found on some search engines.  Also, way 
back in 2001/2 I had sent an e-mail to neighbors with a link.  It was 
assuredly one of these two ways that he discovered it.

Tom C.


>From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:23:35 -0400
>
>Any idea how he might have gotten them?
>
>Kenneth Waller
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>
>
> > >You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
> >>happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures 
>that
> >>look the same in a web presentation
> >>
> >>William Robb
> >>
> >
> > These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three
> > years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
> >
> > Tom C.
>
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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

[Paul Sorenson]

Difficult, too...to stand on the running board, hold the door open and 
hang onto the door frame...and everything else.

-p

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Since the running boards were never really meant for standing, that 
> could be unintentionally very exciting, especially on rusty 15 year old 
> bugs...
> 
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Like standing on the running board at 50mph releasing used beer from 
>> your body?   ;>}
>>
>> -p
>>
>> frank theriault wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
>>> It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...
>>>
>>> Fun cars...
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>
>>   
> 
> 


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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

[frank theriault]

On 7/11/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
> > scan my computer for errors.
>
> Same here.

Sorry.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTNiihhxzI/Aas/_bNT0dbinL8/s1600-h/july_10+001.jpg

As I explained, I thought I was using tinyurl.com, but I erred.

I won't do it again.

thanks,
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Kenneth Waller]

Any idea how he might have gotten them?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: Stolen Photos


> >You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
>>happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures that
>>look the same in a web presentation
>>
>>William Robb
>>
> 
> These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three 
> years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
> 
> Tom C.


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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

Well I didn't make the original statement I was just giving my take on it. 
:-)

I don't know how we got to founding documents but it's important to remember 
1) that the founding documents of almost every nation, even the 1977 Soviet 
constitution, propose to guarantee essentially the same common set of basic 
rights and 2) the documents are pieces of paper which can be 
interpreted/misinterpreted by those in power, much the way treaties are.

The founding documents of the United States have not stopped the travesties 
of justice that occur here routinely with liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness.


Tom C.


>From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:11:59 -0700
>
>So basically, it's NOT fear of their neighbor's freedom in the sense folks
>would normally take your statement, it's fear of their neighbor's license
>(Lack of due restraint; excessive freedom: "When liberty becomes license,
>dictatorship is near" - William Durant, or freedom that allows or is used
>with irresponsibility and disregard for standards of personal conduct :
>LICENTIOUSNESS, - that which usurps a liberty at the expense of denying
>another's liberty).
>
>Our founding documents distinguish between what they referred to as liberty
>and license.
>
>Regards,
>Bob Blakely
>-
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>and another woman makes a fool of him in twenty minutes."
>  - Robert Frost
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >William Robb wrote:
> >>
> >> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
> >>
> >>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
> >>  And I say that as an (US) American.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Thanks,
> >>DougF (KG4LMZ)
> >>
> >
> > That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.  All
> > one
> > has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven
> > true
> > would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically
> > obligated
> > to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to
> > hell
> > if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the
> > person is both ill-willed and well- healed.
>
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[Leon Altoff]

Hi,

I made my own about 7 years ago out of a small switch box a couple of 
micro switches and some cable and a plug.  I have used it on my Z1-p, 
MZ-S, istD and K10D and just changed the plug each time I needed to.

I didn't realise that you could actually buy them - they are almost 
certainly not available over the counter in Australia.

The T3 looks smaller than my home made job - though I can use mine 
without the cable as well as an electronic release.  Does it have a two 
step action to start metering and AF before actually firing the shutter?

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P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
> with the *ist-D/Ds).
> 
> I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
> and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.
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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[Kenneth Waller]

> The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
> to figure it out.

Ditto

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO: Prep'ed


> The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
> to figure it out.
> 
> -- 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote:
> 
> DS> G'day All,
> 
> DS> One more taken on my trip (~160kb):
> 
> DS> 
> DS> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.
> 
> DS> This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.
> 
> DS> Cheers,
> 
> DS> Dave


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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

[Kenneth Waller]

> When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to 
> scan my computer for errors.

Same here.

Kenneth Waller
- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO - The Red Hat


> When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to 
> scan my computer for errors.
> 
> I can do my own scanning, thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> frank theriault wrote:
>> http://www.tiny.cc/FcsDb
>> 
>> So, this is my first attempt at taking a RAW file out of my *istD,
>> doing stuff in photoshop (a bit of sharpening, correcting the horizon
>> (for Paul ), resizing it and converting to a jpeg.  I'm somewhat
>> disappointed because on my New Computer (a laptop) the colours looked
>> bright and contrasty, but on my computer at work, they look rather
>> dull and washed out.
>> 
>> My laptop screen is calibrated, so maybe it's my work computer.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on the colour/contrast?
>> 
>> And, of course, comments are otherwise welcomed.
>> 
>> thanks in advance,
>> frank


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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Kenneth Waller]

> IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
> through 50-60 images like Jack did.

Did I miss something? 
No one is obliged to wade thru the images. You opt in if you wish.

Kenneth Waller

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From: "AlunFoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?


> It was late when I logged on, so I might have missed some details.
> However, the site requires consent to your taking part in this
> project, by ticking a box. I was pretty tired last night, so I
> couldn't figure out what the consequences would be of not accepting
> the deal. Besides, I was curious enough to want to see what it was.
> :-)
> 
> You can skip the evaluation page and go to your own pics, your
> profile, etc. anytime you like. One curious thing I noticed was that
> navigating away from the evaluation page and back again would bring up
> a different set of pictures. Seems like the set you're presented with
> is selected by random.
> 
> I think the jury's still out on the convenience of this function, but
> IMHO it's not a mark of good design when people feel obliged to wade
> through 50-60 images like Jack did.
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I voted on what was probably 50 or 60 images when the screen came up
>> with a page announcing that the Pentax site was extremely busy and
>> would have to end current contact. Was glad it had ended for the
>> moment.
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, I found the same thing.  I went ahead and voted on all the
>> > photos
>> > that were presented to me.
>> >
>> > It was a bit odd because once I got to the last one, the first ones
>> > were shown again allowing me to vote on them.  Doesn't seem like the
>> > system is foolproof yet.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> > Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 2:41:52 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> > A> Just logged on to see how the last batch of upload had fared, and
>> > was
>> > A> met with the below text.
>> >
>> > A> Anyone picked up news about this before?
>> >
>> > A> Jostein
>> >
>> > A> === Quote start =
>> > A> As an accepted artist of the PENTAX Photo Gallery you have the
>> > ability
>> > A> to help in the image selection process. Only approved artists can
>> > A> participate in the voting process.
>> >
>> > A> Our goal is to receive fair and unbiased input to help in the
>> > A> selection process. To this end, Photo Gallery participants cannot
>> > vote
>> > A> on their own photos. The photographer of each image available for
>> > A> voting will remain anonymous during this process. To further
>> > protect
>> > A> the process, your vote, either positive or negative, cannot be
>> > viewed
>> > A> by the photographer.
>> >
>> > A> PENTAX retains the rights to the final selection process; however,
>> > A> your vote helps narrow the field to the best images. PENTAX
>> > reserves
>> > A> the right to decline an image for any reason even if the image has
>> > A> received positive votes. This can be due to various reasons
>> > including,
>> > A> but not limited to, subject matter, incompatible aspect ratios,
>> > the
>> > A> inclusion of watermarks or copyrights, resolution, or the quality
>> > of
>> > A> the image.
>> >
>> > A> Please vote based on the technical and artistic merits of each
>> > image.
>> > A> When reviewing images please consider composition, exposure,
>> > subject
>> > A> matter, lighting, focus and other image aspects.
>> >
>> > A> === Quote end =


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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[AlunFoto]

Well said, Mark.

I kinda regret the title I put on this thread.

Jostein

2007/7/11, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>
> >Assuming that the "official" judges are
> >employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate
> >the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that
> meet
> >Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in
> >displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax
> >camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their
> job
> >per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies
> >the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in
> photography.
> >
> >Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched,
> though.
>
> >From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty
> sure the official judges do have a good background in photography.
>
> The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!)
> has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting
> because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no
> fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't
> have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found
> a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with
> the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what
> makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent
> compromise given the constraints they're under.
>
> I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much
> knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem
> at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work
> (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the
> official judges).
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

[AlunFoto]

Jack,

There seems to be something wrong with the whole thing, now. I too get
the same photos over and over, as if it doesn't register the votes at
all.

Jostein


2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
> all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
> that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
> reason to continue spending the time voting.
> Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Jack Davis]

Me too!

Jack
--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Scott Loveless wrote:
> 
> >Assuming that the "official" judges are 
> >employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to
> operate 
> >the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that 
> meet 
> >Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested
> in 
> >displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
> >camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their
> 
> job 
> >per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what
> qualifies 
> >the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in 
> photography.
> >
> >Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, 
> though.
> 
> >From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm
> pretty 
> sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. 
> 
> The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or
> not!) 
> has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting
> 
> because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is
> no 
> fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't 
> have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've
> found 
> a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say
> with 
> the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in
> what 
> makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent 
> compromise given the constraints they're under.
> 
> I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much 
> knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no
> problem 
> at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work
> 
> (especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the 
> official judges).
> 
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

[Jack Davis]

I think you're exactly right. They, also, must have a way of tracking
the vote count on each submission and a programed 'image pull' when
that point is reached.

Jack
--- AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree that having the same photographer looking at the same photos
> over and over sounds like a glitch. It says in the FAQ that a vote
> casted is final, and cannot be undone or redone.
> 
> OTOH, I think having many photographers looking at the same photos is
> how it is supposed  to work. To get a tally on the member's
> preferences.
> 
> However, I do expect that they plan to share the load among the
> members, so that each photo is reviewed by a limited number of
> people,
> say 5 or 10. Otherwise we would, each and every one of us, have to
> flip through all of the submissions sans our own. They can't possibly
> think we'd have a chance to accomplish that.
> 
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 
> 2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means
> that
> > all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors.
> If
> > that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I
> see no
> > reason to continue spending the time voting.
> > Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: PAW 2007 - 30 - GDG

[David J Brooks]

Strong whites, but i think it adds to the feel of the photo, like it
really was taken many many years ago and left in a shoebox type of
thing.

BTW thats a good thing Godders.:-)

The lines in the photo really work well

Dave

On 7/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Alcatraz,
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30.htm
>
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
>
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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[David J Brooks]

I like the DOF you choose. Love that lens

Dave

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> G'day All,
>
> One more taken on my trip (~160kb):
>
> 
> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.
>
> This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Duplicate Voting?

[AlunFoto]

I agree that having the same photographer looking at the same photos
over and over sounds like a glitch. It says in the FAQ that a vote
casted is final, and cannot be undone or redone.

OTOH, I think having many photographers looking at the same photos is
how it is supposed  to work. To get a tally on the member's
preferences.

However, I do expect that they plan to share the load among the
members, so that each photo is reviewed by a limited number of people,
say 5 or 10. Otherwise we would, each and every one of us, have to
flip through all of the submissions sans our own. They can't possibly
think we'd have a chance to accomplish that.


Jostein


2007/7/11, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
> all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
> that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
> reason to continue spending the time voting.
> Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Bob Blakely]

So basically, it's NOT fear of their neighbor's freedom in the sense folks 
would normally take your statement, it's fear of their neighbor's license 
(Lack of due restraint; excessive freedom: "When liberty becomes license, 
dictatorship is near" - William Durant, or freedom that allows or is used 
with irresponsibility and disregard for standards of personal conduct : 
LICENTIOUSNESS, - that which usurps a liberty at the expense of denying 
another's liberty).

Our founding documents distinguish between what they referred to as liberty 
and license.

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and another woman makes a fool of him in twenty minutes."
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >William Robb wrote:
>>
>> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
>>
>>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
>>  And I say that as an (US) American.
>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>DougF (KG4LMZ)
>>
>
> That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.  All 
> one
> has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven 
> true
> would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically 
> obligated
> to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to 
> hell
> if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Mark Roberts]

Scott Loveless wrote:

>Assuming that the "official" judges are 
>employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate 
>the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that 
meet 
>Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in 
>displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
>camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their 
job 
>per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies 
>the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in 
photography.
>
>Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, 
though.

>From the feedback we've received from people at the Gallery, I'm pretty 
sure the official judges do have a good background in photography. 

The rate at which submitted images have been getting approved (or not!) 
has been getting slower and slower (I'd almost given up on submitting 
because of it). They're clearly unable to keep pace. Since there is no 
fee for participating in the Gallery, it's safe to assume they don't 
have the budget to simply hire more staff. It seems to me they've found 
a very reasonable way to deal with the situation: Leave final say with 
the official Judges but give the Gallery members an initial say in what 
makes the cut. It may not be perfect, but it seems like an excellent 
compromise given the constraints they're under.

I just did some browsing through the Gallery and was pretty much 
knocked out by the quality of photographs on display. I have no problem 
at all with my work being judged by the people who produced such work 
(especially as they're just providing a first-level filter for the 
official judges).


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Re: Stolen Photos

[Bob Blakely]

Where the hell does that crap come from and how the hell does it relate to 
W. Robb's response to M. Roberts post:

> Tell him your name is "Bill Robb" and he'll probably pee himself out of
> fear :)

Regards,
Bob Blakely
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- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> William Robb wrote:
>
>> I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
>
> (US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[P. J. Alling]

Yes it's called the canon cable release adapter T3

http://www.pictureline.com/products/1262/Canon_Cable_Release_Adapter_T3/

Also available at B&H Photo. Adorama, and elsewhere...

Adam Maas wrote:
> The canon adaptor is more likely called something-T3. T3 simply denotes the 
> electronic release connector on the camera (There are 3 different standards 
> for EOS, T3, N3 and E3. N3 is the current one for high-end bodies, E3 is the 
> Pentax compatible one on the Rebels)
>
> -Adam
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
>> steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
>> If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
>> the camera...
>>
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>> 
>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
 device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
 would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
 an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
 original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
 haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
 applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
 with the *ist-D/Ds).

 I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
 and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.

 
 
>>> Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
>>> MR-3. I've got one somewhere.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> 
>
>
>
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Re: Epson 2400 B&W help

[David J Brooks]

No i have not Dave.

I'll try.

I calibrated the monitor Tuesday, again, and did some colour prints
today. The colours on the horse and jumps are fine, but nowi see the
blue sky has some greyish to it and my sand is darker than the
monitor.
I assign rgb colour space when printing.

Maybe its just a cleaning to fix up this snag, as the prints i made
two weeks ago were spot on.

I wonder if is should print in sRGB



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On 7/11/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried using soft proofing in PS?
>
> Open a photo that you have already printed. Then go to View>Proof
> Setup then select Custom... and in the "Device to Simulate" drop down
> list select the appropriate printer/paper profile, then click OK. You
> can turn the soft proofing on & off by pressing Ctrl+Y (or cmd+Y on
> the Mac).
>
> If everything is going well you shouldn't see much of a change on
> screen. But If you do you can adjust the image to suit with soft proof
> on.
>
> I use the soft proof technique to good effect.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 7/5/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, i see nothing out of the ordinary from what i have.
> >
> > The monitor is calibrated, colour prints come out exactly like the
> > monitor, B&W is darker than monitor, and from what i see, Dave's
> > settings are the same as mine.
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[Adam Maas]

The canon adaptor is more likely called something-T3. T3 simply denotes the 
electronic release connector on the camera (There are 3 different standards for 
EOS, T3, N3 and E3. N3 is the current one for high-end bodies, E3 is the Pentax 
compatible one on the Rebels)

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
> The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
> steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
> If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
> the camera...
> 
> Adam Maas wrote:
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>   
>>> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
>>> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
>>> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
>>> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
>>> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
>>> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
>>> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
>>> with the *ist-D/Ds).
>>>
>>> I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
>>> and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.
>>>
>>> 
>> Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
>> MR-3. I've got one somewhere.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>   
> 
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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[P. J. Alling]

The Canon adapter is called the T3.  They sell new for about $30.  Seems 
steep for something I intend to butcher and then throw half of it away.  
If anyone needs the procreatory female Canon connector that connects to 
the camera...

Adam Maas wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>   
>> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
>> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
>> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
>> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
>> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
>> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
>> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
>> with the *ist-D/Ds).
>>
>> I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
>> and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.
>>
>> 
>
> Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
> MR-3. I've got one somewhere.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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Re: PESO: Scale

[Fernando]

Very nice one, composition, colors and the inlcusion of the guy in the
bottom right. Good one

On 7/8/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Another one from my trip (~170kb):
>
> Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada.
> 
> K10D, DA 16-45mm @ 45mm, f10 @ 1/100, ISO 400
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

[P. J. Alling]

Since the running boards were never really meant for standing, that 
could be unintentionally very exciting, especially on rusty 15 year old 
bugs...

Paul Sorenson wrote:
> Like standing on the running board at 50mph releasing used beer from 
> your body?   ;>}
>
> -p
>
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>   
>> We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
>> It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...
>>
>> Fun cars...
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   


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Re: Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[Adam Maas]

P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
> device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
> would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
> an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
> original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
> haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
> applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
> with the *ist-D/Ds).
> 
> I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
> and that isn't the strong suit when it comes to my usual hacks.
> 

Nikon also made a couple, for the MD-4/F801/F4 era stuff. Called an MR-2 or 
MR-3. I've got one somewhere.

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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[Bruce Dayton]

The shot is just too tight for my taste.  It really makes me struggle
to figure it out.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote:

DS> G'day All,

DS> One more taken on my trip (~160kb):

DS> 
DS> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

DS> This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.

DS> Cheers,

DS> Dave




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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

[Bruce Dayton]

Fun shot - put a smile on my face, knowing the context.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 6:35:26 AM, you wrote:

ft> http://tinyurl.com/yptee7

ft> Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the 
Museum...

ft> Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:

ft> 
http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg

ft> Comments always welcome.

ft> cheers,
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

These were all shot on Fuji Provia.  I have the original EXIF in my office. 
:-)

The thumbnails are still there today.

I'm going to wait until this afternoon.  Then I'll post some more stuff on 
the forums identifying him by userid, and e-mail the webmaster demanding 
that the thumbnail images be removed immediately as it is an unauthorized 
use, and the user and site are still in violation of copyright laws.

Then I'm going to write to the user:

"Mr. Duffy, I'm just wondering what kind of person thinks it's OK to steal 
their neighbors photographs, lie about taking them, publicly distort when 
and where they were taken, and then accept credit for them ."

I highly doubt I'll get a response.  I don't want one really.  I just want 
him to know that I know.


Tom C.


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>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:31:23 -0500
>
>Did he leave the original EXIF intact?
>
>-p
>
>Tom C wrote:
> >> You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
> >> happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures 
>that
> >> look the same in a web presentation
> >>
> >> William Robb
> >>
> >
> > These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three
> > years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
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Mechanical->electronic cable release.

[P. J. Alling]

I'm looking for something that most people would not even consider, a 
device that you would screw a "old fashioned" cable release into which 
would output an electronic signal for half/full press for a camera with 
an electronic release.  Canon used to make something like this for their 
original EOS cameras.  It seems like it would be fairly simple but I 
haven't been able to find one.  (If you must know, one of the 
applications I'm interested in is using my bellows and double release 
with the *ist-D/Ds).

I've thought of making something myself but reliability would be nice 
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Paul Sorenson]

Did he leave the original EXIF intact?

-p

Tom C wrote:
>> You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
>> happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures that
>> look the same in a web presentation
>>
>> William Robb
>>
> 
> These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three 
> years... and he falsified where they were shot from.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

[Scott Loveless]

frank theriault wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yptee7
>
> Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...
>
> Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:
>
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg
>
> Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   
Excellent!  Let's see it in grainy, contrasty black and white.  I think 
it might look like something out of an old horror flick.

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RE: PESO -- Blue Bug

[Bill Owens]

Back in the 60's, during the "how many can you get in a phone booth" craze,
some of us college students with nothing better to do, managed to get 21 in
a Beetle.

Bill

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On 7/11/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you
> could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

I had a couple of friends whose first car back in the 70's were
Beetles.  They were a hoot to drive.  I learned to drive standard on
one of them, and once one learns to drive a clutched Beetle, you can
drive anything with a clutch.

We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...

Fun cars...

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Duplicate Voting?

[Jack Davis]

I see the same images coming up over and over. I gather this means that
all images are subject to being voted on by multiple contributors. If
that's the case, the significance of my vote is diminished and I see no
reason to continue spending the time voting.
Of course, it may just be a glitch in their voting program.(?)

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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Scott Loveless]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Scott Loveless wrote:
>
>   
>> Unless I'm missing something obvious, other than a brand name >there is 
>> 
> nothing to separate the critiquing abilities of Pentax users 
>   
>> vs. those people in the "deleteme" flickr group.  With their new 
>> peer review system the judges might not even see an HCB photo 
>> because it's too blurry, or miss out on a wonderful photograph 
>> because a few site users don't appreciate its content. 
>> 
>
> That's true, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions on how the 
> system works. For all we know, they may be using the member votes as 
> simply an advisory and allowing the "official" judges to still pick 
> anything they like. That's certainly how I'd do it - for exactly the 
> reasons you note, but we simply don't know.
>   

You could be right, and I hope you are.  But I really think they're 
using the voting system to weed out the bad photos so the judges only 
have to look at the good ones.  There is probably nothing to prevent 
them from looking at the pictures that were voted down.  How does one 
decide which "bad" photos to look at?  And if they're going to look at 
them at all, what's the point of having the users vote?  It certainly 
won't save them much time.

 From the FAQ:

*How does my vote influence what images appear on the Photo Gallery?*


Your vote determines what images are presented to the selection 
committee. The Photo Gallery artist community makes sure the best images 
are presented for acceptance.



*What happens to my votes?*


Your votes are used to sort the images so that the best are presented to 
the acceptance committee. PENTAX makes the final determination of which 
images will appear in the Gallery.

Sounds to me that once our peers vote down a photo it's most likely gone 
and forgotten.


>   
>> I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  
>> 
>
> I definitely disagree with you on that one ;-)
>
>   
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Re: Camera auction site. Worth a look?

[P. J. Alling]

Made a quick look and it seems there are no bargians, or even potential 
bargains, (and almost no activity).

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of 
> eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.
>
> http://www.cameragas.com/
>
> >From the site:
>
> "CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to 
> photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by 
> experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to 
> traditional auction sites.
>
> We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine 
> the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and 
> lower prices for buyers!
>
> CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
>
> During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in 
> time. "
>
>
>
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Re: PESO -- Quiet Sunday

[Fernando]

I like the colors and mood of this one.

On 7/10/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's damned hot and sticky, and I wanted something that reminded me of
> cooler days.  I found this shot from the middle of June from a couple of
> years ago.  I don't remember which lens it was taken with, the Vivitar
> 35-85mm varifocal I think, mounted on a *istD.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20quietsunday.html
>
> As usual comments are welcome, but may be totally ignored.
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Re: PESO: Muttart Pano

[frank theriault]

On 7/7/07, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Nice Dave but I need to see what the cut-off people are doing, or lose
> them completely?

They're just Canadians.  Whatever they're doing is no concern of yours...

cheers,
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[Scott Loveless]

David Savage wrote:
> On 7/11/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm certainly not qualified to judge other's photographs.  I don't want
>> my photos shot down by some other equally unqualified user who's allowed
>> to rate a photo simply because he lucked out and shot something decent
>> once.
>> 
>
> What makes you think the Pentax galleries judges are any more
> qualified than you or I?
>   

That's a good question.  Assuming that the "official" judges are 
employed by either Pentax or a company contracted by Pentax to operate 
the gallery, they have an obligation to properly select photos that meet 
Pentax's criteria.  One could also assume that Pentax is interested in 
displaying photos that demonstrate the benefits of owning a Pentax 
camera.  Regardless, the judges have some motivation for doing their job 
per Pentax's instructions - employment.  I have no idea what qualifies 
the judges for their jobs, but I hope they have a background in photography.

Lots of assumptions, huh?  I don't think they're too far fetched, though.
> I'm not qualified to judge other peoples photos, but I gave it a go anyway. 
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO - The Curse of the Mummy

[Fernando]

LOL, Funny photo. Good one

On 7/11/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yptee7
>
> Having a bit of fun with two of my daughters on a recent trip to the Museum...
>
> Here's the full url, for those of you who may prefer it:
>
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTSEihhx0I/Aa0/DPHx0sMLrL4/s1600-h/july_11.jpg
>
> Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

>William Robb wrote:
>
> > I just don't understand where this kind of thinking comes from.
>
>(US) Americans are scared of freedom.  Not their own, their neighbors'.
>  And I say that as an (US) American.
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>

That's exactly right. I know we've gone down this path before here.  All one 
has to do in this legal system is bring a claim to court that if proven true 
would require the court to intervene.  The court is then basically obligated 
to hear the case.   So any ill-meaning individual can turn your life to hell 
if they've got the the gumption to proceed.  It's especially bad if the 
person is both ill-willed and well- healed.

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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

[frank theriault]

On 7/11/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you
> could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

I had a couple of friends whose first car back in the 70's were
Beetles.  They were a hoot to drive.  I learned to drive standard on
one of them, and once one learns to drive a clutched Beetle, you can
drive anything with a clutch.

We also had fun with the running boards.  Late at night.  Don't ask.
It was highly illegal and (now that I think of it) quite dangerous...

Fun cars...

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

[P. J. Alling]

PT lens does a nice job of making rectilinear shots out of fisheye.  I'm 
using the old shareware/freeware version, but if you buy it they say 
they'll make a conversion file for any lens/camera combination on request.

Dario Bonazza wrote:
> A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his 
> 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
> Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated 
> software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
> software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for 
> that?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dario 
>
>
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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

>You are going to be really embarrassed when it turns out that the guy
>happens to live close enough to you that he got a couple of pictures that
>look the same in a web presentation
>
>William Robb
>

These were identical... he falsified the date they were taken by three 
years... and he falsified where they were shot from.

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RE: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)

[Tom C]

Hi Mark.  You've expressed the way I feel about it.

I'm not stupid enough to mess with people I don't trust.  Since his 
unconscionable actions were done with no provocation from me, who knows what 
a guy like this would do if deliberately provoked?  It's not worth finding 
out.

Tom C.


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>Subject: DMCA Takedown (was Stolen Photos)
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:07:34 -0700
>
>Scott:
>
>There are certain provisions of the DMCA with which I strongly disagree.
>The takedown provision is certainly open to abuse, but it does get the job
>done quite fast and can be invoked by "the little guy", not just big
>corporations.  So in this case maybe it's not so bad.
>
>Tom:
>
>You've gotten the offending imaged taken down.  I'm sure you can get the
>thumbnails removed also.  Beyond that, are you planning to take further
>legal action?  If not, you might just savor your victory and move on to
>better things rather than get too personal.  After all, you won.
>
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Re: PESO: Prep'ed

[frank theriault]

On 7/11/07, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> One more taken on my trip (~160kb):
>
> 
> K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.
>
> This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.
>

Enough to make me a vegetarian.  Poor guy - the look in his eye is
quite terrifying.

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Re: PESO - The Red Hat

[P. J. Alling]

I liked it.  But not enough to dissect it.

frank theriault wrote:
> On 7/11/07, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> When I click on this link, I get redirected to some place that wants to
>> scan my computer for errors.
>>
>> I can do my own scanning, thanks.
>> 
>
> And, FWIW (in case you never did get to the photo, and in case you're
> still interested), here's the "proper" url for the image:
>
> http://bp1.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RpTNiihhxzI/Aas/_bNT0dbinL8/s1600-h/july_10+001.jpg
>
> Thanks, Doug, and again, my apologies...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: PESO -- Blue Bug

[P. J. Alling]

The joy of VW beetles was that they were easily unrepairable.  But you 
could also coax 35mpg out of them if you knew what you were doing.

frank theriault wrote:
> On 7/11/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   
>> I remember in 1973 when i was about to buy my first car, it was
>> between a $2100 Datsun 1200 or the bug at $1950
>> 
>
> I think you made the right decision.
>
> By the early 70's the Beetle was a pretty antiquated design and
> (despite it's small size and lack of power) not that economical.
>
> I recall those Datsuns as pretty zippy, frugal little things...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   


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Re: Camera auction site. Worth a look?

[frank theriault]

On 7/11/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of
> eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.
>
> http://www.cameragas.com/
>
> >From the site:
>
> "CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to
> photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by
> experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to
> traditional auction sites.
>
> We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine
> the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and
> lower prices for buyers!
>
> CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
>
> During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in
> time. "


Their search engine sucks.

I tried searching for a couple of specific bodies, I was shown 5 pages
auction listings, none of which was what I searched for.

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Re: Stolen Photos

[Tom C]

Thanks Paul.

Tom C.



>From: Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:49:17 -0500
>
>Here you go...
>
>Sean Duffy
>BOISE, ID 83702
>(208) 331-0514
>
>Sean Duffy
>BOISE, ID 83716
>(208) 331-0514
>
>-p
>
>Tom C wrote:
> > I don't get anything but empty fields and no info when I clicked on the
> > link.  What did it say? Thanks.  There's probably a 50/50 chance he 
>works at
> > the same place I do also.
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
> >> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:27:22 -0500
> >>
> >> A little digging into his blog revealed his last name and a Switchboard
> >> search came up with this...
> >>
> >> http://switchboard.intelius.com/results.php?ReportType=34
> >>
> >> Same name, city and phone number, different zip code.  You'll be able 
>to
> >> figure out which is the most likely to be the current address.
> >>
> >> -p
> >>
> >> Tom C wrote:
> >>> I'm getting even more sure now.  The color image under the History
> >> section
> >>> of his page is taken only about a mile from where I live.  I see this
> >> every
> >>> time I drive down the road.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/155243/Cervidae-Peak.html
> >>>
> >>> How many Sean's do you think there are in a subdivsion of 250 homes? 
>:-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tom C.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>  To: pdml@pdml.net
>  Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
>  Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:06:44 -0600
> 
>  Now all my posts are gone from the forums also.  This guy appears to 
>be
> >> a
>  major contributor to the site and I used his User ID in the subject
> >> line of
>  my posts "Copyright Violations by SawtoothSean".
> 
>  I'm waiting to see whether he's going to clean up this page which 
>still
> >> has
>  thumbnails on it.
> 
>  http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/155243/Cervidae-Peak.html
> 
>  If the thumbnails are still there tomorrow morning I'm going to start
> >> the
>  same crap all over again. :-)
> 
> 
>  Tom C.
> 
> 
> > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: Stolen Photos
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:38:54 -0600
> >
> > And from his writeup on the Boise Mountains, including places that 
>are
> > right
> > along my way home and even mile markers, now I'm almost CERTAIN this
> >> guy
> > must live within a 2.5 mile radius of me.
> >
> > I'm gonna track him down.  His profile also says he was last active 
>on
>  his
> > site today (which it didn't say earlier).
> >
> > I bet he's a little shaken right now, knowing that I've seen his
> >> profile
> > and
> > where he must apparently live. :-)
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
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Re: Pentax photo gallery morphing into another community site?

[ann sanfedele]

Doug Franklin wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
>
>>[...] if the photo.net model of peer evaluation is any indication
>>of how  well this might work. Well, it won't. Not a good idea in my
>>estimation.
>>
>>
>
>The "Average Idiot" got that name for a reason.
>
>  
>
Boy, am I glad I didn't put any effort into that...

smugmug has a very annoying feature of "thumbs up and thumbs down" for 
comments that if you
switch it on you get into the "most popular" page  - I deliberately 
turned that off... for one thing,
there is a bar that comes out with the thumbs on it in front of the 
image you are viewing.. for another,
most of the heavy hits on the most popular page seem to be photos of the 
photographers friends
and family being looked at over and over by them and while there are 
occasionally excellent photos
there, I really think it is a bit tacky.

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Camera auction site. Worth a look?

[Mark Roberts]

Lord knows we need some relief of the rampant fraud and high fees of 
eBay. Don't know if this is the answer but at least someone's trying.

http://www.cameragas.com/

>From the site:

"CameraGAS.com is an online Auction and Classified Ad site dedicated to 
photographic equipment only. It was established in early 2007 by 
experienced photo website professionals as a lower cost alternative to 
traditional auction sites.

We Believe our STANDARD $5 fee per 15 day ad or Item sold will redefine 
the auction industry. Our lower fees mean more profit for sellers and 
lower prices for buyers!

CameraGas stands for Camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome.

During our introduction period, all ads are 100% free at this point in 
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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

[David Savage]

Panorama stitching programs have the ability to correct lens
distortions. I use PTGui (not free), but Hugin is free, and from what
I've seen does a good job.

You set control points to map the verticals & horizontals that should
be straight & then save that profile for future use.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/11/07, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his
> 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
> Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated
> software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party
> software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for
> that?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dario

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Re: PESO 2007 - 30a - GDG

[frank theriault]

On 7/11/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another from the rock ...
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/30a.htm
>
> Comments and critique always appreciated.


Kinda creepy.

 I wonder what that glass-brick enclosure was for.  My imagination
makes me think the worst...

Wonderful composition.

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PESO: Prep'ed

[David Savage]

G'day All,

One more taken on my trip (~160kb):


K10D, FA77mm Ltd., f4 @ 1/640, ISO 400.

This guy was waiting for his go out of the stall.

Cheers,

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

[David Savage]

PS is OK for small distortions, but it's not so good for correcting
those inherent to fisheye lenses.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you can do a pretty good job with PhotoShop's "Transform Perspective" 
> command. It's under the "Edit" menu.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his
> > 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
> > Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated
> > software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party
> > software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for
> > that?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dario

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RE: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

[Bill Owens]

Photoshop Elements 5.0 has such a tool.  Not freeware however.

Bill

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A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from
his 
10-17mm fisheye zoom.
Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a
dedicated 
software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available
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Thanks

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Re: Epson 2400 B&W help

[David Savage]

Have you tried using soft proofing in PS?

Open a photo that you have already printed. Then go to View>Proof
Setup then select Custom... and in the "Device to Simulate" drop down
list select the appropriate printer/paper profile, then click OK. You
can turn the soft proofing on & off by pressing Ctrl+Y (or cmd+Y on
the Mac).

If everything is going well you shouldn't see much of a change on
screen. But If you do you can adjust the image to suit with soft proof
on.

I use the soft proof technique to good effect.

Cheers,

Dave

On 7/5/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, i see nothing out of the ordinary from what i have.
>
> The monitor is calibrated, colour prints come out exactly like the
> monitor, B&W is darker than monitor, and from what i see, Dave's
> settings are the same as mine.

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Re: Turning fisheye pictures into rectilinear

[pnstenquist]

I think you can do a pretty good job with PhotoShop's "Transform Perspective" 
command. It's under the "Edit" menu. 
Paul
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From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A friend of mine is interested in obtaining rectilinear pictures from his 
> 10-17mm fisheye zoom.
> Does anyone has knowledge on that? Since Pentax doesn't supply a dedicated 
> software for making fisheye pictures look straight, which third-party 
> software can be best used? Are there any freeware utilities available for 
> that?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dario 
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